you think adding custom in game achievements is possible?
#suggestions-discussion
pseudo depot
pseudo depot
it would take a lot of work id assume though
tepid root
you think adding custom in game achievements is possible?
achievementlib is a thing that has existed for a while but idk if its still not mp compatible
sand umbra
okay but for just a moment can we just
Severely decrease/nerf the health pool of most worm enemies in Death Mode.
❔
Because of the way worm enemies work in Death Mode, any worm enemy that can split is set up to where every segment has as much HP as a full-blown worm enemy. I appreciate trying to make the game harder, but when common worm enemies have higher per-segment health than the Eater of Worlds and can still split in the same fashion, there's a serious problem.
thoughts?
sacred imp
does anyone think that unlocking acid rain tier 1 is out of place? i think it should be unlocked after DS and not EoC because you know, according to lore, DS is a dried out boss that adapted to living in the desert, and AS is a hardmode version, so i think acid rain tier 1 should unlock post-DS
it would make a lot more sense
distant gyro
i can see why acid rain is after eoc
sacred imp
i cant see why
sand umbra
from a meta perspective it's because EoC has exactly zero meaningful unlocks otherwise
sacred imp
with the lore and stuff about DS being dried out it just makes more sense
distant gyro
not a lot of mods make a dent to eye of cthulhu's significance to the game at all
distant gyro
also time to draw a connection between eoc's tear and acid rain 
sacred imp
yeah
sacred imp
i just thought about the lore and coulndnt understand why it was EoC. i get it now tho
sacred imp
yeah
steel knoll
My suggestion was overshadowed easily. sigh It was probably a stupid idea anyway.
steel knoll
Yeah I die from the Pereforator hive all the time
gray nebula
the voice acting suggestion?
even if it reached 120 stars it would have gotten denied instantly because that's just weird
too much effort for that too
queen sail
I can see 
because OtherButtons exists already (britlamitas) but DoG?
I mean somebody va’d dog’s lines before but imo he spoke way too slow
Had to double the video’s speed
wooden wedge
There's something I don't get about the sugg about permanent rev mode
When was it ever permanent?
queen sail
It used to be
gray nebula
quite some time ago
wooden wedge
Ive played since years ago
queen sail
Kinda like how you normally can’t change expert
wooden wedge
And I'm gonna assume that most of the community came here after it was made non permanent
wooden wedge
Months?
wooden wedge
My memory is being fucky now
Because when I started I can't remember if it was toggleable or not
queen sail
If it disappeared when you used it then it wasn’t
wooden wedge
not like it matters that much since I don't think the sigh will go through
I started calamity in like 2016-17
queen sail
Pretty sure rev didn’t even exist during that time 
PtD and PtC
To that sugg tho the reasoning is flimsy
wooden wedge
What are those acronyms?
queen sail
What does it even mean by “doesn’t feel the same anymore”
Prepare to Die and Prepare to Cry
queen sail
Aka what the demon trophy and celestial onion used to activate before memes
No rev came like
Late 2017 - 2018 iirc
Came out when fab released yharon iirc
zealous ridge
And rev was like... you used it once and it’s effects were applied no backsies, right?
wooden wedge
Yeah
There's a lot of reasons why that's a bad idea
Like if someone just accidentally used it without reading it
And then you'd need a new character and a new world of you didn't want rev
Or at least a new world
gusty geode
Wasn't Rev made a toggle for no reason other than to idiot-proof it
wooden wedge
What if you decided that after you used rev and fought a couple bosses that you didn't want it anymore? Or that there were a few rev only bugs that you had to deal with but couldn't toggle it?
gusty geode
I doubt a couple bosses would take too long to get back
wooden wedge
Even if it doesn't take a while it'd be fucking annoying
gusty geode
I mean
Imo that's what you get for playing in a difficulty you weren't ready for
By that logic we need a toggle for expert to prevent having to start over there
gray nebula
queen sail
@mental violet are all the blocks that make up the floor vacant
gray nebula
suggesting calamity to add extra QoL is a bit ech
queen sail
I’m assuming that you have a room but it’s not letting you put an npc there with no specified reason
mental violet
Yep.
queen sail
Show me the room
mental violet
But that problem happens often enough I think it maybe should be a part of the mod.
No I can fix it.
But I just think that this has been such a long running issue with the game that Calamity could fix it.
queen sail
I mean yeah but
gray nebula
just use another mod
queen sail
That feels more like census’ job or smth
We have qol to deal with extensive farming usually
gray nebula
PSC is a dev item
gray nebula
yes
queen sail
Rip :pensive_rick:
gray nebula
and some other items with a custom rarity
queen sail
Thought we got a neat outlier for once
gray nebula
everything made with shadowspec is a dev item doe
queen sail
Even seems cool to be a prov drop
gray nebula
and PSC is so epic because its a dev item
queen sail
After all this time, I can finally live my dream of being Providence 
gray nebula
we can't just add more because that's way too much work for regular weapons smh
queen sail
||no||
gray nebula
astral soul crystal pog
queen sail
Cosmic Soul Crystal :pogyai:
gray nebula
placid girder
are more challenges coming ever tbh
karmic stone
"It's cool and having more items like this would be cool"
h.
wooden wedge
@crisp anchor ok, but why?
you need an actual reason
cool factor is not a valid reason
crisp anchor
Cuz it is a fun to use cool item and i like the concept of transformation accessory.
wooden wedge
that's still not a reason
indigo fog
Your reason needs to be stronger than "It would be cool"
wooden wedge
"I'd like to see more transfomation accessories like this because I think they add more fun and unique styles to gameplay" would be at least a bit better
crisp anchor
"it would improve my experience with the mod"
wooden wedge
no
crisp anchor
better now?
peak prawn
wym?
civic pond
Its not exactly a chain..?
wooden wedge
"Now for a "silly" suggestion also related to Profaned Soul Crystal"
wooden wedge
peak prawn
The previous suggestion mentioned something related to the soul crystal but not necessarily any changes about it.
wooden wedge
karmic stone
,
river sun
Guys, you need to add that if you say " ok boomer " while the old duke is alive, he instantly dies, but drops no loot.
distant gyro
no,
opal barn
dude that's like omega funny, do you come from comedy town?
river sun
it would be hilarious
river sun
Teragat, Ive came from comedy planet, population: you
unkempt bolt
yeah meme suggestions aren't allowed, especially when they are pointless
unkempt bolt
suggs related to upcomng content is a nono
bitter drift
DoG nerf
currently DoG is the hardest boss with no competition in death mode only because of his instant kill head mechanic, this by it self won't be so bad but if you are not going to intentionally bash through DoG's body to get through or failing to react to lasers walls this mechanic will quickly turn the fight into a forced no hit.
my suggestion is to delay the instant kill in death mode when the head touches you with the only way to escape it will be the rod of discord
(at this time DoG will match your movement and speed so he won't miss his dinner)
to make it as you don't escape unharmed and to balance it a bit once the head touches you you will be healed for big negative number (somewhere above the 500s and below the 700s will probably be the best to pin point a number) this negative healing attack will have a 4 second cooldown to not intanly kill you as well (negative healing attacks ignore immunity frames but not enough to escape the head a 2nd time unaffected)
radiant meadow
I don't think people realize that profaned soul crystal was a massive undertaking and is a dev item.
it's not easy to add more items like it.
ashen warren
Reduce nuclear toad spawnrate
frail mantle
i never really found current Death DoG to be that hard tbh
sleek wadi
As a rule, nothing should be dodgable ONLY by RoD.
frail mantle
then again i've memorized the boss enough to nohit him on older versions so that might just be me
bitter drift
you see the problem?
dry grotto
adir, doggo isn't really the most op boss cause yharon exists
definitely the second hardest tho
even being harder than scal if u ask me
mighty knot
passive stealth regen even when u move and attack
bitter drift
Yharon is not stronger then death DoG give me a break
sand umbra
I mean, tbf, it would at the least be easier the second time around
since now a precedent exists for it
sand umbra
that said, I prefer PSC being unique in what it does, although I do think the concepts it introduces could be a bit more widely utilized
bitter drift
also the fact that he pull some real shit using this mecanic is enough to nerf it
sleek wadi
Also the underwhelming boosts are counter-balanced by mobility.
bitter drift
or remove it i don't care
mighty knot
@dry grotto because nothing would make you use any stealth
sand umbra
...also can I ask why you're suggesting Angel Wings are better than Tarragon Wings
Tarragon Wings outclass Angel Wings by a fucking mile
sand umbra
I have
dry grotto
tarragon wings don't even work without tarragon armor
sand umbra
and I've also seen the stats of Angel Wings
indigo fog
Bone wings making skeletons do no damage sounds like too much. Wings shouldn't have these kinds of effects
sleek wadi
Angel Wings also have literally the worst mobility in the game.
distant gyro
time to nerf angel wings, and also nerf seraph tracers to poop shit
sand umbra
no, you'll use Treads and Wings
dry grotto
???
sand umbra
because Tracers are actually garbage
sand umbra
the speed boost is negligible at best and the inability to use actual wings because of Seraph Tracers possessing flight time makes it a direct nerf
sand umbra
dry grotto
or just remove them altogether since tracers exist anyway
sand umbra
frail mantle
why would you remove wings just because tracers exist
sand umbra
are you really gonna tell me the worst wings in the game are better than Uelibloom wings
sand umbra
just because of some wacky buffs that are outclassed by other shit
sleek wadi
The post ML wing buffs exist more to incentivize using them other tracers which while definitely worse wings do come with the enormous benefit of giving you another slot.
dry grotto
tracers count as wings tho
bitter drift
angle wings DO need a buff tho
(you just blow it up way too much)
bitter drift
xD
sand umbra
note how Tarragon Wings have over triple the total flight height of Angel Wings
bitter drift
who uses them?
sand umbra
along with better flight time and speed boost
dry grotto
it doesn't mean jack shit against post-ml bosses
bitter drift
@dry grotto those who fly 99.9% of the time
sand umbra
you're using them for the Sentinels, Polter, Boomer Duke, DoG...
bitter drift
^
sand umbra
.
civic pond
How long do you use angel wings for though
bitter drift
never
sleek wadi
Angel Wings, mobility wise, are only better than the intentionally terrible Skyline Wings in flight time.
dry grotto
u get them asap
sand umbra
I'm just gonna head out before I say something I regret
dry grotto
and u can use them for a good while
sand umbra
y'all have fun ig
dry grotto
also, look at bat wings
sand umbra
🛫
zealous ridge
i don't see where you're coming from, god bee
bitter drift
honestly i feel like angle wings should be buffed
frail mantle
i'd take good flight time over basically a fancier jump, some more health, defense and regen any day tbh
zealous ridge
like yeah, the general stat boosts are better on angel than tarragon
dry grotto
there's plenty of wings that show the issue more
zealous ridge
but that's not all we need to consider
bitter drift
like what the pre hard mode wings?
dry grotto
???
zealous ridge
first and foremost, they give you flight
dry grotto
there aren't any pre-hm wings tho
zealous ridge
yes there are
bitter drift
xD
sleek wadi
You can't take the stat boosts in a vacuum
zealous ridge
skyline
bitter drift
xD
zealous ridge
...
bitter drift
you forgot what mod are we playing?
robust lava
I thought part of the idea of giving wings stats was that the worse wings might get better stat buffs to incentivise using them? Already strong wings don’t need big stat buffs to be good
dry grotto
excuse me but i've never seen anyone actually go for skyline wings
mayon, the issue is
when said buffs clearly make weak wings way more dependable than strong wings
then where does it stop
with the exception of mothron wings
which are the best wings in hm hands down
zealous ridge
they arent more dependable tho
bitter drift
slime god and WoF are perfectly fine using those wings
zealous ridge
i disagree on that front, at least
dry grotto
okay, let me ask u
zealous ridge
you trade mobility for survivability, damage, armor-specific boosts
bitter drift
(tho BoB out matches them)
robust lava
Does the 20 max life bonus comparing Angel to Tarragon (because you’re going to be using Tarragon armour set at that point) really make up for the tremendously worse wing stats?
dry grotto
mayon, would u use wings or tracers that's the question
bitter drift
terragon wings give a buff when using the terragon armor
dry grotto
that's not insulting
zealous ridge
i don't understand the harshness, but whatever
frail mantle
you're being pretty needlessly aggressive here tbh
dry grotto
cause you're all acting like i'm the one that's insane
zealous ridge
no im not?
dry grotto
yes you are stop denying it
frail mantle
we're not though
bitter drift
you know you lost the argument when i am defending post moon lord wings
wooden wedge
can you all just calm down and discuss suggs without arguing pls k thx
frail mantle
we're discussing your suggestion
robust lava
I personally use tracers, but that’s just personal preference
frail mantle
they have good flight time and acceleration
bitter drift
they are pre moon lord
sand umbra
they're about on par with lunar wings and are incredibly good for both Deuces Wild and ML himself
there, you've got a good reason
frail mantle
^
dry grotto
??
robust lava
The reason I use tracers over treads + wings is because I value the accessory slots, nothing to do with the stats really
dry grotto
isn't it just better to use mothron tho
mothron gives way better buffs
in every way
zealous ridge
not flight speed
dry grotto
more jump speed, move speed, damage, crit
bitter drift
dude wtf
sand umbra
there must be a reason Mothron Wings can't save your ass against Deuces though
bitter drift
how can you say this nonsense?
zealous ridge
okay but
zealous ridge
can we not
sand umbra
.-.
dry grotto
the buffs litteraly don't exist if u don't wear xeroc
bitter drift
you make me laugh when you think i use wings for their buffs that aren't S P E E D
indigo fog
The mobility is what makes it good. It doesn't need a bunch of stat boosts to be good.
frail mantle
i usually don't really give a shit about the buffs
robust lava
And if you’re playing rogue, you’re going to be using xeroc at that level, so I don’t see the problem?
dry grotto
but what if you don't, mayo?
frail mantle
when i pick wings i pick those that make me go nyoom upwards the fastest
bitter drift
btw, the whole idea of wings giving buffs that aren't speed focused was made BY CALAMITY XD
frail mantle
cause imo that's the most important part of wings
robust lava
Then pick the wings that benefit your armour set?
bitter drift
ataxia is crying in the corner
sand umbra
Xeroc Wings are still hella good even if you're not playing rogue????
I am. so confused as to how this is an argument
bitter drift
^^
sand umbra
raw stat buffs mean nothing in the face of blatantly improved in-air speed, acceleration, and traction, along with blatantly longer flight time
bitter drift
in my ranger run i had to use Xeroc wings because they were the only wings that made me faster then the discordian wings
bitter drift
acceleration is a thing tho
hollow shell
@stuck shard (I'm late but) Could you elaborate more on why that would be a good change
What exactly was lost by making it toggleable at any time?
bitter drift
jump speed is useless
movement speed is made for the boots
dry grotto
"jump speed is useless"
indigo fog
jump speed isn't useless what
bitter drift
what does it even do???
dry grotto
????
hollow shell
Jump speed has a significant effect on vertical flight speed and the overall distance you get with your wings
bitter drift
like can someone explain to me, i never saw jump speed in action at all
hollow shell
It's honestly quite broken
dry grotto
that's why i'm saying xeroc is weak and why i'm so confused you're all calling it better than mothron
indigo fog
that's like the only time to not use it
hollow shell
@mental violet Could you try to elaborate more on what conditions the house is in where it isn't considered valid that we could add messages for?
It's already somewhat descriptive in telling you the furnitures you're missing, whether its too big or small, etc
bitter drift
@indigo fog ah yes the hardest boss in the game yet not the final boss
indigo fog
Boss difficulty depends on the player
frail mantle
not tecnically byeah
bitter drift
I N S T A N T K I L L
dry grotto
scal does not count as the final boss since it's a "superboss"
frail mantle
Yharhar also has instakill
sand umbra
it's been half an hour how is this argument not over yet
bitter drift
@frail mantle as an arena, not a mechanic
frail mantle
it's still instakill
zealous ridge
look, what i don't understand is this massive hyperfocus on wing balance. Honestly, it really doesn't matter as much as you're making it out to be. First of all, Mothron wings are post-plantera, which is already a late tier of hardmode, so i'm not surprised theyre good for that tier. not all wings have to be better or worse depending on exactly what tier they're at. Angel wings have that hp and survivability boost because as wings, they are literally bottom of the barrel. People would be complaining that the on meta options are stale and monolithic. And that's what people did. So fab changed it. If what you're asking for is to make these options better because they still aren't balanced in your eyes, that's fair. But i feel like the points you're bringing up are weak, and that's why i'm discussing them here. Please don't get aggressive about this, it's not really helpful or needed. Thank you.
mental violet
My thing never tells me if it's size related or missing things. Ever.
dry grotto
first of all chozo: i chose angel wings as an example since they give the same buffs as tarragon except "better"
mental violet
Mine never has.
hollow shell
I think the issue you might be facing is a lack of valid floorspace?
I've encountered that a lot.
They need a solid block to stand on.
mental violet
It only ever says it's invalid.
zealous ridge
that's what im saying
bitter drift
but you can fight Yharon without seeing any opportunity for him to instant kill you once
with DoG it's the exact opposite making not getting instant killed you main goal
dry grotto
second of all: i made the suggestion without having the mobility in mind since that seems common sense
hollow shell
Earth can you try making some of other people's houses
zealous ridge
thats... uh
dry grotto
it's common sense that mobility gets better as u progress
but why wouldn't buffs get better?
zealous ridge
personally, that's not how i see it
hollow shell
because I doubt you're running Terraria fuckin 1.2.4
bitter drift
@dry grotto WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WINGS!
dry grotto
that's just completely nonsense
zealous ridge
what i mean is that even on tier, angel wings are bottom of the barrel
dry grotto
they're also way weaker than demon wings tho
zealous ridge
you can get frost wings for way better mobility
sand umbra
vanilla wing balance is garbage
we get it
why is this argument still dragging on 
dry grotto
._. it's a discussion for a reason thomas
sand umbra
I understand that
but everyone keeps yelling at each other and has been for like half an hour
bitter drift
@sand umbra what an understatement xD
bitter drift
oaml
sand umbra
...is this karma for all the times I've gone into hour-long ramblings/arguments with people over Cal features/balance
dry grotto
yes thomas
also, to retrace the tier thing u were talking 'bout chozo: best example is spooky wings vs mothron wings
both are same tier, but mothron wings are superior
dry grotto
spooky gives you +1 minion slot and +5% dmg
sure u might say "1 minion slot can make a lot of difference"
sand umbra
Mothron Wings are also a fairly rare post-Plantera drop from the Solar Eclipse miniboss
zealous ridge
mothron's are probably the "meta" option
dry grotto
so are twigs tho thomas
sand umbra
Spooky Wings can literally be made by yelling at a ton of Mourning Woods
dry grotto
well u could get lucky and get both first try
sand umbra
keep in mind that Spooky Wings also possess better mobility stats than Mothron Wings
fsr
cold tartan
This might just be me, but I would like to see drills versions of the calamity pickaxes, since i like them a little better
sand umbra
so naturally Mothron Wings need better stat buffs to be able to compete
dry grotto
i don't think that's true
sand umbra
it is
dry grotto
mothron has the jump boost tho
dry grotto
making that 81 go to 102
zealous ridge
then there's that 150% tho, no?
sand umbra
I don't entirely know what the speed boost stat entails
dry grotto
it's mostly about how fast u are when flying afaik
zealous ridge
which, mothron has buffs in that department too
sand umbra
but tl;dr: in vanilla, Mothron Wings are for some reason worse than Spooky Wings for reasons nobody can comprehend
wheeeeeeeeee
sand umbra
Spooky Wings are from Pumpkin Moon
zealous ridge
bruh
dry grotto
pumpkin moon and frost moon are the same difficulty tho
ancient crow
no lol
ancient crow
frost is much harder
dry grotto
harder than eclipse
zealous ridge
i mean if we talking about mothron being op then whats going on with steampunk wings
ancient crow
frost is also harder than pumpkin imo
dry grotto
steampunk expensive af tho chozo
hollow shell
(In my personal opinyot, most wing buffs or a significant amount of them shouldn't just be raw stat boosts.
Not only because that's boring, but also because it leads to arguments like this, where you can solidly quantify their usability and compare them, leaving much balance adjustments to be had.
They could/should instead each have unique functions with their own applications so they are less directly comparable.)
dry grotto
and afaik they're also post-plantera
indigo fog
Steampunk is post-Golem
sand umbra
Steampunk Wings are 1 plat post-Golem
zealous ridge
fair enough, rover
sand umbra
Rover I honestly feel a similar way
zealous ridge
so... as far as adding to your suggestion, bee
hollow shell
((and of course I wrote up unique function possibilities for every single wing))
sand umbra
which is why the Festive Wings buff is really cool
hollow shell
mhm
zealous ridge
probably uh, change the example to something stronger, you can discuss that here
maybe change the sugg to ask for wings to have more unique stats in general, so that measuring their usefulness is easier? stuff like that
also make it shorter
yeah
hollow shell
My personal suggestion for Xeroc was even more extreme.
No stat or regen boosts, but at the peak of your flight time you're given max stealth.
dry grotto
what about: during flight u generate stealth
and while gliding u generate stealth but less
zealous ridge
yeah, theres a lot of ways of going about it
ancient crow
are xeroc wings still fast as fricc for their tier
sand umbra
well yes
zealous ridge
but make the wings more interesting would be really fun, honestly
ancient crow
ik
zealous ridge
wings become more than a mobility tool, they become utilities for other mechanics
like stealth
or true melee striking from the air, making soaring potion actually... notable
increasing the damage of one shot at peak flight time when you're a ranger to deal massive single-hit damage
sand umbra
Solar Wings + Solar Flare armor = true melee strikes in the air replenish flight time in a similar manner to the Soaring Potion
zealous ridge
regenerating mana while gliding
hollow shell
I have a personal vendetta against raw stat boosts and that might be to my detriment.
Because if I got my way then every accessory and piece of equipment in the game wouldn't boost anything, but they'd all have unique functions
You'd be an extremely versatile twig :P
sand umbra
I prefer when raw stat boosts and unique functions complement each other well
bitter drift
but taking things back to my DoG instant kill nerf i want to ask why the peck people compare a stationary tornado that blocks you from getting away
to the main mechanic of an entire boss fight that can move so fast and hit you 99% of the time if you are a good dodger
hollow shell
The Devourer of Gods does not have nearly as much going on as Yharon
frail mantle
^
bitter drift
with such simple attacks how would he be?
frail mantle
again, i've never really found Le Chien Grande as hard as you describe
bitter drift
Le Chien Grande?
hollow shell
During Yharon you're constantly weaving through a bunch of different projectiles and your ass is constantly hounded by him
During DoG, it's either your facing the laser walls or you're facing DoG. He does spit projectiles from his mouth every once in a while but honestly it's peaceful if you compare it to the fuckscape that is Yharon
So DoG needs the balance of making what he has really strong
sand umbra
so what you're saying is that DoG needs to do more
bitter drift
no not really
frail mantle
Le Chien Grande is french for big dog
sand umbra
a.k.a. similar to an argument I was making about general worm boss design a day or two ago
dry grotto
Cause yharon's insanely fast
frail mantle
i just like to say it like that sometime for the big funnie™️
bitter drift
i don't care what the devs do to fix DoG but this instant kill mechanic have the biggest of problem
hollow shell
It's Death Mode by the way
bitter drift
ya i know
sand umbra
hot take: Death Mode needs more actual boss changes
dry grotto
And he scales on your speed unlike doggo
bitter drift
i'm a death mode infusist
sand umbra
and less of the funny quicker phase transitions
bitter drift
that too
sand umbra
(Rev needs this as well, albeit to a slightly lesser degree)
hollow shell
I see
bitter drift
also of all the time i played death mode (and trust me i play a lot of death mode) i only died to Yharon's instant kill tornados in my first run
dry grotto
Yharon's still the harder boss tho
bitter drift
on rev? sure
on death? naaaa
dry grotto
Doggo has almost only 2 ways to hit you: his head or the lasers
left crest
also loop de loop until you can't leave without rod
bitter drift
but when his head is a load of bullshit while Yharon have almost no BS can you compare?
dry grotto
??? Yharon's filled with bs
bitter drift
n o
left crest
yharon is fair
bitter drift
did you read?
hollow shell
Even with the instakill, I don't think DoG is significantly harder during Death than he is in Rev
Now, I only have Rev experience
but from my experience, when you get hit by the head and take fuckin hundreds of damage, you're almost always hit by the next body segment and take even more damage
Almost killing you or just killing you
sleek wadi
I'd be down with giving DoG a bunch of other attacks if it meant no insta-kills.
dry grotto
His dashes being the most obvious one
Death and rev doggo are almost as hard
If i can be honest
left crest
yharon's dashes are fair and avoidable using tools like the jelly bean
sleek wadi
Instant kills as just standard attacks are bad design in my eyes
dry grotto
And i've beaten doggo true melee
Again, why is it an issue now
It was never an issue for more than a year
bitter drift
as i said, if you don't bash your self to DoG's body intentionally or bad at dodging lasers it's a no hit battle
sleek wadi
Maybe because it might have always been a problem and we're just talking about it now?
bitter drift
no?
frail mantle
no to what
dry grotto
As for the circle body thing
It's only phase 2 and even then it's dodgable without rod
bitter drift
as i said, if you don't bash your self to DoG's body intentionally or bad at dodging lasers it's a no hit battle
@bitter drift
Isn't that like the case for most bosses
@dry grotto
that what i was talking about Leon'tn't
dry grotto
It is the case for most bosses tho: don't get hit by them and dodge their attacks
That's litteraly the basic principal of every terraria boss
bitter drift
when i said lasers i was talking about the laser walls
hollow shell
(except the fireball)
bitter drift
^
hollow shell
but that's not much of a threat
bitter drift
yap
sleek wadi
Other bosses still give you a margin of error which DoG's death head inherently lacks.
dry grotto
Dog's error of margin's also big
bitter drift
you should have a no hit be a mechanic of the boss as it is in DoG
Yharon's instant kill is a punisher not a mechanic
that is a big difference
bitter drift
dude it's the entire pecking mechanic
dry grotto
Then it's the only hard thing 'bout the boss right?
So what happens if u remove it
U get a litteral joke
sleek wadi
We replace the instant kill with literally anything else.
dry grotto
Atleast now the fight keeps you on edge
bitter drift
too bad it's a literal joke without any instant kills
sleek wadi
No boss should require an instant kill in order to be difficult, if it does then its poorly designed in the first place.
hollow shell
I do appreciate the fact that the instakill makes DoG himself a threat
and his mouth at that
rather than making him spew a bunch of projectiles that are the threat and the Devourer you don't need to worry as much about
dry grotto
Yes
Atleast it makes the boss itself feel threatening and not what he fires at you
Atleast the boss is unique
sleek wadi
I'd rather DoG move in more elaborate ways to get that threat
bitter drift
threatening isn't suppose to mean absolute bullshit!
hollow shell
(It's also a nice change of pace for major post-ML bosses
where Provvy is very projectile heavy, Yharon is very projectile heavy, and SCal is very projectile heavy)
sleek wadi
Trial and error? DoG is a bullet sponge
sand umbra
He moves in simple ways so he's easy to learn
It's a trial and error fight
is that why DoG keeps getting easy every 1-2 months for the general public
is that why DoG keeps getting reworked at about the same rate
bitter drift
for everyone except me i still can't kill him
sleek wadi
It doesn't help that he gets bullied by 2 long bridges.
dry grotto
Bullet sponge cause his head exists
sleek wadi
He was a bullet sponge before the instant kill
hollow shell
I don't really know why you'd be having that much of an issue dodging his head
I haven't played Death DoG, granted
bitter drift
BTW this is coming from the man who has a sky arena as large as the full size of a large world!
dry grotto
When i die to his head, i know it's my fault
gray nebula
just don't fly when he's in the no flight phase
dry grotto
Same adir
hollow shell
The whole fucker is on the map
sleek wadi
I'm not against the instant kill because its difficult, I'm against the instant kill on princible.
bitter drift
^
bitter drift
so people have no not hit DoG to kill him in death mode?
sleek wadi
Unique and Cool is Aquatic Scourge doing loop-de-loops, this is just kinda boring.
gray nebula
because dog only hits you with his head
dry grotto
Just don't get hit by his head
gray nebula
dry grotto
He still has laser walls
bitter drift
@dry grotto don't want to be wobbled so don't get grabbed
sleek wadi
DoG is not a required no hit, he still has laser walls and I guess the fireballs.
bitter drift
ah yes zigzag the boss who is hell faster then you
bitter drift
by the time you fall consider your self dead
bitter drift
why do i have to turn off death every time i get to DoG's stage like please
radiant meadow
exactly what qualifies as an underwhelming set of wings?
bitter drift
angle wings
dry grotto
Tattered
radiant meadow
aren't tattered fairy wings like hella strong mobility wise?
radiant meadow
they're the same strength as Discordian iirc
tattered fairy wings are obtained earlier than Discordian
dry grotto
Discordian are post-astrum right?
dry grotto
Ohh
dry grotto
Well there's the spectral wings
radiant meadow
aren't spectre wings the same strength as frozen wings?
which tattered fairy wings are better than
dry grotto
There's only 1 kind tho
And spectre wings is super strong due to it's buffs
It's basically a mage's heaven for buffs
radiant meadow
I mean, you're trading some mobility for more offensive stats
or defensive if you wear hood
radiant meadow
not every class needs to wear tattered fairy wings
radiant meadow
is that a problem?
dry grotto
Since they get so much more viable through it. Surely less mobility
radiant meadow
are you saying spectre wings should be nerfed?
dry grotto
No
Just feel like tattered should give something that solicitates wearing it
Make a special effect like
Have tattered wings drop some kind of damaging particles
radiant meadow
I mean, better mobility does solicitate wearing it
sleek wadi
It does already, better mobility. The balance for wings is the higher the mobility, the worse the bonus.
dry grotto
Xeroc tho
Xeroc exists
And xeroc's mobility according to many is already insanely high
Yet it's also post-golem
dry grotto
It's not that much later
sleek wadi
Thats 3 bosses in between and there is 2 bosses on post-cultist tier, still significant
frail mantle
fish, rav, peanut butter gamer and cultist
radiant meadow
there's also pbg, fishron, and ravager
dry grotto
Fish isn't necessary
frail mantle
at least those are the four bosses meant to be fought post-Lolem
dry grotto
Pbg and fishron don't progress anything tho
radiant meadow
none of the bosses are necessary yes
dry grotto
Lunatic and gollem are
frail mantle
Golem ain't
dry grotto
U can't really use that as an example
radiant meadow
but a majority of people don't start with cultist in early hardmode
frail mantle
no he's not
radiant meadow
you can use eidolon tablet
sleek wadi
Golem isn't necessary either, in fact the only necessary ones are WoF, Cultist, mechs, Bumblefuck, and Yharon. Minimum progress doesn't matter.
Er, and ML.
frail mantle
also Rav
dry grotto
Why does eidolon tablet even drop pre-golem
radiant meadow
because calamity supports non linearity?
that's been a thing
for like over a year???
dry grotto
I remember when it supported linearity tho
I mean, look at siren's heart
It's pretty much useless pre-skeletron
frail mantle
that's not really an anti-non-linearity thing
radiant meadow
siren's heart will get a complete rework when anahita's resprites are done
radiant meadow
they're talking about minimum progression memes
frail mantle
when i say Rav is necessary i only mean that he is if you're doing low%
frail mantle
cause no cryo or plant means no perennial or cryonic
radiant meadow
but that's basically irrelevant
dry grotto
Shrug
Anyway' it doesn't invalidate my argument 'bout xeroc being way superior to tattered
dry grotto
U just said post-golem tho
radiant meadow
it's supposed to be better
tattered drops from the pumpkin moon
which is pre golem
Discordian wings errr hadal mantle is post golem
dry grotto
U said post golem tho when u made the argument
radiant meadow
I was referring to hadal mantle
dry grotto
radiant meadow
you asked about Discordian/hadal mantle
https://gyazo.com/c5d5f4af5c15f62942ed8caa7a82458e
dry grotto
Ohh
Anyway
Golem isn't rly 'bout high speed
But high acceleration
Cause u won't need that much speed to dodge his attacks
radiant meadow
you can use tattered fairy wings for siren/levi and aureus if you do pumpkin moon first
dry grotto
Therefor tattered has the same viability as spectre when we look at the mob stats
Yeh, but u can do aureus pre-plant pretty easily
Since bazooka exists
radiant meadow
and?
dry grotto
Afaik isn't he like ment to be battled pre
radiant meadow
is that supposed to invalidate tattered fairy wings because you want to step outside of progression?
because Calamity allows you to step outside of progression
dry grotto
Calamity progression's also kind of outdated if u ask me tho. Or just not accurate enough
radiant meadow
well, it isn't going to change any time soon
dry grotto
It's weird
Cus if u ask me plantera feels like it should be fought post-calamitas for example
Also post aureus
radiant meadow
most likely since it's calamitas has been right before plantera since like forever
dry grotto
I feel like calamitas should be right after the last mech boss.
dry grotto
There's a boss inbetween tho afaik
Or an event
But blergh
Ohh yeh: brimstone if i remember correctly
frail mantle
there isn't really any specific boss pre-Clone cause you can fight the early hardmode bosses in any order
sand umbra
there is though
a specific pair of bosses, you can pick which one
those being Brimbo and Skeletron Prime
sand umbra
which leads me into like
can we just. real talk for a sec:
why does the Eye of Desolation require Souls of Fright?
digital saddle
i feel like it would be too convenient to sequence break
zealous ridge
its... hard to say
digital saddle
tho maybe that just means cal would need to be buffed
zealous ridge
sequence breaking is hard to balance around
bc cal is already stuffed into a crowded tier
sand umbra
Clonamitas does not need to be buffed
dry grotto
Petition to make boss progression just show "mech bosses"
zealous ridge
well, in cal, all the tiers are kind of crowded
dry grotto
Since lemme be honest. The difficulty of mech bosses is ambiguous
zealous ridge
clone is a bit too simple imo
dry grotto
Some bosses find twins hardest. Others find prime hardest
zealous ridge
but the real problem is that plantera is not very difficult at all
dry grotto
And yeh, clone feels really easy if u ask me
radiant meadow
calamity cannot edit boss checklist for vanilla bosses
digital saddle
i feel like cals brothers would be harder bosses than just cal
dry grotto
Excuse me
radiant meadow
that's a boss checklist thing
dry grotto
Plantera is REALLY hard
digital saddle
circle
dry grotto
In death atleast
radiant meadow
and again
radiant meadow
boss difficulty is subjective
dry grotto
In death plantera is hell
zealous ridge
yes its subjective
radiant meadow
different bosses play to different player's strengths
dry grotto
And that's an objective truth
zealous ridge
without a common ground, though, we cant agree on anything
zealous ridge
one of the many reasons i hate death
radiant meadow
lightning should be disabled during boss fights
zealous ridge
but that's besides the point
dry grotto
Agreed
radiant meadow
unless it was like right at the start
dry grotto
It was like
radiant meadow
then you just were unlucky
radiant meadow
lightning has no reason to appear while a boss is alive
zealous ridge
like, the fight ended and lightning struck?
dry grotto
No
zealous ridge
or the lightning was during?
dry grotto
He was in his final phase
radiant meadow
it shouldn't be happening during the boss fight 
dry grotto
It fits tho
radiant meadow
it checks for bosses so it shouldn't happen
zealous ridge
better idea:
have storm weaver's probes conduct lightning arcs to each other
Patented Rover Idea Moment (tm)
sorry i misclicked what do you want from me
dry grotto
Ohh
Chain lightning
Lightning strikes chain to orbs
Or whatever they're called
Probes
Slowing down when they jump from probe to probe.
hollow shell
hee hoo
zealous ridge
i know rover
dry grotto
Hmmm?
hollow shell
lol
zealous ridge
let me put credit where credit is due
hollow shell
If you also came up with the idea then it's fine
hollow shell
Sounds like it's a good idea then
zealous ridge
patented rover idea moment
steel knoll
Wings could use a buff. That’s for sure.
zealous ridge
some wings, sure
steel knoll
Maybe adding new structures and NPC’s for lore should be in there
zealous ridge
in the... wings suggestion...?
dry grotto
Or what about
steel knoll
No I’m asking what you think about suggesting it
dry grotto
Idk if it's even possible
zealous ridge
oooh
hmm
i mean, its been suggested before kind of
like a lore merchant selling pages of books
dry grotto
I'd like to see a way to put the buff of the wing u used to craft tracers onto it
hollow shell
Having lore-based structures would be neat but iunno about NPCs
zealous ridge
lore structures would be okay, yeah
carmine island
Rover quick question with the new note on the donts doc with music. Should I delete my suggestion a ways up about phase 2 yharon instrumental?
steel knoll
Maybe make generated structures for certain bosses like fighting the perforator hive in a nest for perforators
zealous ridge
make the ice pyramid into an actually important location and turn it into permafrost's castle
steel knoll
@carmine island It’s a good idea
zealous ridge
steel knoll
@zealous ridge Thank you
dry grotto
i wish hell looked nicer
hollow shell
Ehh
It does not directly pertain to the music Don't, which are all for new themes that have no in-game utility except for like, music boxes
It would indeed be an increase to filesize though
steel knoll
I want the Ice and Desert to get more love though
dry grotto
Desert tomb that's guaranteed to be generated in the underground desert
hollow shell
I think you can keep it around, cuz it's an edge case, being the only Calamity song with an alt version
steel knoll
Heck yeah that would be amazing but no npcs should be there so make it abandoned
dry grotto
The abandoned galactic market
steel knoll
Maybe make an entirely new world size to support longer game progression and just do more game. Maybe Yharim’s castle can be found but similar to the jungle temple it can only be accessed with a key dropped by Supreme Calamitas
Maybe even fight DoG in the pocket dimension Yharim kept him in.
dry grotto
Ohhh
It's actually possible to also make new world instances within a world
There's a few mods that do it. Surprised cal mod hasnt done it yet
steel knoll
It would make room for new biomes and structures
dry grotto
Like, the abandoned celestial market has 3 doors and looks like a huge market. But abandoned and cobwebs everywhere
A bit like in super paper mario (the doors)
U need specific keys to open said specific doors. Which, once opened right click to pass to another instance based on the door
steel knoll
Yeah and space themed loot in the chests and maybe a new boss: the entity responsible for the devastation and death maybe connected to Yharim
steel knoll
Not even a mini boss
hollow shell
Minibosses are fine, but not bosses
steel knoll
Maybe lore connected to the astral infection and enemies that used to be citizens of the market now controlled by the infection similar to Crabulon
dry grotto
Crabulon is perfect tho
dry grotto
Make crabulon spawnable in the astral biome and empowered with an astral-infectious tint added to his colorpallet
hollow shell
iunno if this is worth discussing
dry grotto
Would be sick
steel knoll
Yeah it’s like the dungeon or temple
hollow shell
Biome suggestions aren't allowed
and if we're talkin about something like a whole separate world instance then that's very not allowed
(to be suggested)
dry grotto
:( why not
steel knoll
They are more structures than biomes
frail mantle
cause they're so much effort
hollow shell
Massive in scale
Would be a big dev plan, a whole update
and we're not going to dedicate ourselves to a public idea like that, rather the dev plans that we already have laid out
dry grotto
I mean, understandable
steel knoll
@hollow shell your the dev that handles suggestions you said that yesterday.
hollow shell
Indeed
steel knoll
So you don’t work on the actual mod
hollow shell
I do work on the mod in the sense that I'm in the dev server and I'm providing feedback on everything
I don't sprite or program for the mod directly though
(not often)
steel knoll
Still the a new structure for an already existing boss might be interesting
frail mantle
Rover does sprites and some music iirc
hollow shell
@ Bee, The Crabulon sugg is pushing it
swift wadi
Isn't rover the sound guy
hollow shell
Cuz suggestions for new bosses aren't allowed
dry grotto
Sad
hollow shell
I am the sound guy yeah, I've made quite a few sounds
dry grotto
I mean, it's not a new boss tho. Just an empowered old boss
steel knoll
@hollow shell No no Bee has a point