Chlorophyte is cringe because it's the most limited resource in comparison with how much stuff it's used on I think
#suggestions-discussion
karmic stone
Spectre Bars, Shroomite Bars, normal Chloro stuff
Ueli is also needed for some stuff but it's not as cbt as chloro
frail mantle
Chlorophyte is unique in the way it works and making Ueli spread as well would mean there’d be three chloro-style ores, removing some of Chlorophyte’s originality
Or maybe that’s just me
karmic stone
How many ores are there
hollow shell
(Three?)
frail mantle
Chloro and Tenebris currently
sinful steeple
Tenebris
hollow shell
Ah
karmic stone
But in comparison with how much ores exist saying that 3 of them are capable of growing sounds normal to me
Supposedly Uelibloom is fossilized tree bark
Chloro is straight up plant matter (iirc?)
And Tenebris is plant stuff that growed because of Sylva being
Yes.
zealous ridge
itd be interesting if uelibloom ore didn't spread, but spawned in more interesting vein configurations (aka spawned like little fossilized trees or roots)
but idk the work required for that
karmic stone
roots
:o
zealous ridge
lmao
karmic stone
Sounds neat
sinful steeple
Wait why would a fossil spread
zealous ridge
no add
sinful steeple
I mean fossils are dead things, so like why would it create life
Wait would it even be creating life if it's just creating more dead things?
civic pond
magic providence sunlight bullshit
sinful steeple
And where do the dead things come from then?
civic pond
this is terraria
karmic stone
Tarragon stuff is themed around plant life but I don't know if that's because of combining it with Geode stuff
Actually
There's alot of stuff that is pure Uelibloom that's still
Living Plant
iirc
sinful steeple
I mean yeah but that's because it's plant stuff
karmic stone
a
I mean fossils are dead things, so like why would it create life
I was responding to this
fossils are dead thing i
idontgetit
sinful steeple
I mean like not everything used to craft something is factored in the design
karmic stone
Nah
sinful steeple
Ehh I don't feel it's necessary to delete
civic pond
this is turning into lore tbh i like the idea of spreading uelibloom
lost agate
fossils are literally bones add
sinful steeple
Skeletron ore?
karmic stone
Plant bone 😳
hollow shell
lost agate
something preserved in rock for a very long period
is the definition i found, but conventional fossils are bones
sinful steeple
Not necessarily rock
hollow shell
sinful steeple
Fossils preserve better in mud iirc
Also plenty fossils are teeth/flesh imprints/shells
lost agate
arent teeth also bones kind of?
hollow shell
Only kind of
karmic stone
Ok so
Should Fossilized Tree Bark be able to grow
And does it really matter for what Ueli does in-game
karmic stone
Epical
toxic kettle
isn't not like fossilized tree bark is still alive
sinful steeple
Yeah but it's not like granite can attack people which it clearly does in game
civic pond
i repeat
magic providence sunlight bullshit
this is terraria :pp:
karmic stone
:pp:
ashen warren
sand umbra
fossilized tree bark normally should not be able to grow like Chlorophyte, no
ashen warren
sprite flip sugg
hollow shell
wew
sand umbra
...however, on the same note, it shouldn't be able to just form out of nowhere
but it does
radiant meadow
also what about eye of extinction?
hollow shell
ye gotta include EoE too
ashen warren
Flip the sprite for the eye of extinction
Consistencey with these other eye summoming items
and desolation
ill get a better image later and suggestion just putting it in here
civic pond
server sugg
Add or move the art, giveaway, and texture pack server into #other-discords.
I understand why the associated servers would be in info, but why not put them in other discords as well? It seems to tend to confuse people because that's usually the first place they look when searching for another server associated to this one.
yay nay
civic pond
I don't really get it
i always end up tagging #other-discords when people ask for the art server for example
eah
hollow shell
@hexed ore Three suggestions up
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/696661483400069120
hollow shell
(Not that there's a solid rule against posting similar suggestions soon after others
but it's usually not very productive)
hexed ore
I'mma just
hollow shell
aighty
zealous ridge
alright i have a feeling that this is going to annoy me until up to post-as so let me just write something up for this
but first i want to ask
Add a pre-hardmode item that grants temporary immunity to the Sulphuric poisoning debuff, such as a potion or other buff, to make the acid rain and traversal to the abyss less annoyingly difficult
how does this sound?
unfinished, of course
no reasoning yet
but as a concept, does it hold any water
hollow shell
Seems okay
tired haven
Although traversing to the abyss doesn't really seem major enough to be a reasoning; one barely spends time in sea during that and is nowhere near losing significant amount of health
radiant meadow
like a minute long potion maybe
zealous ridge
oh trust me it is
radiant meadow
maybe that's too short
2 minutes like magic power
although I'd rather not completely eliminate the threat
maybe severely reduce the effects
tired haven
If you provide an example that could be great, because ig new poisoning is higher than I used to experience
zealous ridge
traversing to the abyss (falling through the sulphurous sea, for the majority of the time you're going down sulph poisoning is in effect) takes around like 20 seconds to fall down fully
that's 240 hp lost before even reaching the abyss
because the debuff is 12 health per second
radiant meadow
perhaps I made the debuff too strong
tired haven
Oh huh
zealous ridge
it is SUPER annoying
tired haven
6 times the poison. Yeah that's a lot of damage
zealous ridge
idk why no one mentioned it in testing lmao its just so dumb
at least, i feel its unnessecarily harsh
radiant meadow
it can definitely be toned down if needed
zealous ridge
because you have to realistically fall through the sulphurous sea to even get to the abyss
radiant meadow
but I do think a workaround like a potion wouldn't be a bad idea too
tired haven
because to figure that out there has to be several real playthroughs done. testing is not magical
Cutting that to 6 hp/s should do the trick tbh
zealous ridge
the debuff itself is annoying as hell even without falling through the abyss
i presume testing is mostly reserved for bosses, then?
fair enough
not everyone has all the time in the world to test every aspect of things
calm onyx
That debuff has no chill. My last prehm trip to the abyss was mostly me trying to get through the sulfurous sea.
tired haven
kinda, but also that playthroughs are far more vague: there are a lot more things to do in general
including dying from new debuffs
zealous ridge
~~if yall need more testers id be happy to help but like you know no pressure 
~~
tepid root
i imagine going down the abyss if your gen was bad now would be pretty hard to do without dying 
also ech
tired haven
Also, if the proposed item/potion makes it in, it could give a regen penalty along with poisoning immunity as a frawback
radiant meadow
I haved the severity
zealous ridge
yeah, that sounds fair
radiant meadow
halved
zealous ridge
awesome
i didn't even suggest anything and it got in 
alright, as far as the potion effects
there are a few ways of going about it, actually
amidas's blessing could give immunity to the debuff
and a potion that lasts 2-3 mins at the cost of some other stat could work too
hollow shell
Well I mean bothering to craft the potion in itself is a drawback
zealous ridge
true
zealous ridge
and the duration may also be a sort of a penalty, ye
could be called Fluoropolymer Coating or smth
as a reference to teflon, which is the least reactive compound like... ever
heck even a fluropolymer armor
but that might be asking for too much
regardless, ill write something up
radiant meadow
sulphuric armor could give poison immunity
wooden wedge
@magic spear ok, but why? you need a reason
karmic stone
Pressed enter too early
hollow shell
^^ Reason needed
magic spear
Pressed enter too early
hollow shell
ok cool
Nah Armak that bit was fine
The more reason the better
... cuz now it's too smoll
hollow shell
I'm glad nobody ever checks this channel unless they're pinged
@magic spear
You're gonna need more reason than that
The bit you had about getting bad luck with the drops and spending an unneeded amount of time farming underground was fine
wooden wedge
that;'s basically the same as what you had earlier
hollow shell
as long as you elaborate a lil more
This is okay cuz it has the implication
but I prefer having it be actually articulated
upbeat scroll
Armak
This could or could not lead to some bad results
Such as if you are moving storage and you put in the key and then leave to go get more items, your gonna have a bad time
shell lynx
I'd be pretty sad if my MISC chest suddenly got deleted
upbeat scroll
But really that's the only instance I could see this backfiring-
hollow shell
It's kinda okay cuz you'd need to only store one key on its own in a chest
wooden wedge
for vanilla mimics you need an empty chest with only the key
hollow shell
which is a rare occurance
magic spear
it should only work if its the only item in the chest
wooden wedge
in a specific slot iirc
wooden wedge
ah ok
upbeat scroll
The type of mimic should be determined by the type of chest (i.e frozen mimic from frozen chest, gold mimic from golden chest, shadow mimic from shadow chest)
upbeat scroll
Yeah, but it solves the problem for all non-biome mimics.
ashen warren
Jungle mimic?
magic spear
oh little problem, the key is sold by the clothier for 5 gold and the mimic drops more
upbeat scroll
instead of just the gold one-
mimics drop more- no
key sold by clothier in hardmode- yes
would only make sense
ashen warren
well, actually the jungle mimic is unspawneable
upbeat scroll
Nobody said anything about the jungle mimic lol
hollow shell
Money would probably be an issue yeah
ashen warren
just pointed it
upbeat scroll
then again- king slime-
magic spear
maybe one made with hallowed bars or something
upbeat scroll
your perfect money solution-
just buy summoners from the dryad and hippity hoppity and make like 30x as much then what you paid for
mystic sandal
most likely very shitty but idk
hollow shell
Yeah you're meant to prepare for it
with Warmth potions and such
There are other more permanent immunity-givers
Eskimo Armor grants you permanent immunity while worn
upbeat scroll
^ frost barrier-
mystic sandal
why the hell would you block off a biome
hollow shell
Campfires do too
mystic sandal
i legit don't get it
upbeat scroll
The Destroyer?
mystic sandal
i get death mode is supposed to be difficult
upbeat scroll
I really feel like you are talking about the destroyer-
mystic sandal
but dying for exploring a specific biome is just ridiculous
hollow shell
(Molten Armor too)
hollow shell
Aqua why are you ending every message with -
upbeat scroll
Oh you are talking about the snow biome
hollow shell
Yes smh read suggestions
sleek wadi
just make a giant bridge above the snow biome
hollow shell
But yeah you're supposed to go through the effort of setting up campfires and stuff to make it through the biome
frail mantle
doesn't the death snow biome only freeze you during blizzards
upbeat scroll
=^
hollow shell
yyyes I think so?
frail mantle
or do i just not go to the surface snow enough to notice it outside of blizzards
toxic kettle
it is near impossible for me to explore the snow biome without a warmth potion or something that has warmth.
That's the entire point
mystic sandal
what is the point of locking off a biome for no reason
toxic kettle
it's Death mode
frail mantle
^
toxic kettle
that's the reason
hollow shell
and it's not locking
You can get around it
if you prepare
and I'm pretty sure it's only during Blizzards
frail mantle
yea
mystic sandal
it's locking if you had no idea what the hell you were supposed to do, like me
frail mantle
and outside of blizzards you can get materials for a hand warmer, and then you can just completely ignore the cold
hollow shell
Several item tooltips have "Grants immunity to cold in Death Mode" in them
upbeat scroll
Anyways, you can just buy the Frost Barrier from the Travelling Merchant (which like always sells for some reason) or set up campfires to be immune to it, also *the campfires actively help you to survive outside of being able to explore the biome because A. If I'm not not mistaken Warmth provides around 30% DR to cold sources (such as tundra enemies) B. increased Life Regen and C. small amounts of light.
wide flicker
Nothing stops you from going to the wiki
hollow shell
Admittedly players should not be required to go to the wiki at any point
wide flicker
yeah true
frail mantle
but iirc the Death item states that weather effects exist
upbeat scroll
^
mystic sandal
i'll just delete the suggestion
hollow shell
Okay
upbeat scroll
And if it's such an issue turn off death mode to explore it and then turn it back on
hollow shell
I think I have a separate suggestion idea
upbeat scroll
it also you know, stops people from getting powered up quickly in the snow biome to make the game harder as what the mode is all about-
hollow shell
but I may just be able to take it to the dev server
upbeat scroll
What's it about?
hollow shell
Add something like "You must protect yourself with ___ equipment!" to the tooltips of the Deathmode hot and cold debuffs that you get
("warming" or "cooling" equipment)
upbeat scroll
Yeah, that would make a lot of sense.
wide flicker
Good idea
upbeat scroll
especially in space because you can die of two types of things
hollow shell
speaking of which I gotta add those debuffs to the wiki
upbeat scroll
But that would also maybe bring confusion, as people might go up to space at night, see that they need cooling equipment, and then go back down, get the equipment, then go up to space, die immediately to a heat stroke, and be like WHAT
upbeat scroll
Maybe nerf the fire one to 3dpt than 5dpt so they have a chance to react lmao
damage per tick-
because it's almost as bad as the Abyss debuff-
tepid root
i mean its actually way worse
you can stay in space for like 2 seconds during day
and then, death
zealous ridge
ay, real quick, how do you think people would like it if the sulphur sea lore item granted immunity to the sulphuric poisoning instead of the AS lore?
tepid root
imo sulphur sea lore item should just make passive as not spawn naturally for consistency with other biome lores
zealous ridge
that would be fine too honestly
id be okay with either
Make a pre-hardmode item that temporarily grants immunity to the Sulphuric Poisoning debuff, to make the trek to the abyss less difficult and to make acid rain easier to manage early on.
The Sulphur Sea is already difficult to traverse with its bubbles, difficult enemies, and large bodies of water. However, the Sulphuric Poisoning debuff is the icing on the cake for making this biome annoyingly difficult to traverse until post-AS. The pre-hm dive to the abyss already takes out around 240 hp before you even reach the bottom, and the acid rain is made even more difficult due to the constant DoT of the water, making leeches even more lethal.
An addition that would help this would be a temporary buff, either pre-existing or new, that would grant immunity to Sulphuric Poisioning. This would give players more opportunity to play around the acid water's debuff, and make getting to the abyss less bothersome and difficult.
how dis look
hollow shell
Seems good 👍
tepid root
it be like that
hollow shell
Very few suggestions after the update dropped have gotten delivered
prolly just cuz of the high density
... Good.
sleek wadi
Have WoF's boss zen only apply while you're in the underworld
WoF can only despawn by reaching the world border so he naturally takes a really long time to despawn. Going back down to continue fighting WoF after he passes your hell entrance is basically a death sentence so players might want to farm some mob to pass time until WoF leaves. However boss zen prevents this from happening so the only thing the player can really do is fish.
So by making WoF's boss zen only apply in the underworld, the player will be given the option to farm mobs while waiting for WoF to despawn and the guide to respawn.
I'll think about posting this when suggestion density lowers, which will probably take somewhere in the ballpark of 2-3 weeks because people are doing their summoner playthroughs.
zealous ridge
after a big update id imagine its not uncommon to sigh a breath of relief
also hooo boy
hollow shell
Yeah sounds fair
Slight issue is that the thing I usually farm for while waiting for WoF is Guide Voodoo Dolls :P
zealous ridge
well, you could do that on the surface
zealous ridge
considering fetid/bloodletting essence and leather makes a doll
upbeat scroll
Actually
hollow shell
Yeah true
upbeat scroll
Why is Cinderplate just there only to be used for like 5 accessories?
upbeat scroll
It should have more of a proper use
zealous ridge
cinderplate furniture
hollow shell
Also it was meant to be a lot more significant when it was first added
Those "accessories" spawned the Future Bosses
robust lava
Not everything needs to have a major use imo
upbeat scroll
CINDERPLATE FURNITURE
hollow shell
aka not ashen
zealous ridge
sand umbra
pre-Hardmode item that grants temporary Sulf Poisoning immune
upbeat scroll
I mean yeah block looks cool
sand umbra
more potions and an additional use for Sulphuric Scales?
upbeat scroll
pre-Hardmode item that grants temporary Sulf Poisoning immune
sand umbra
I'm 100% down
upbeat scroll
Yes
zealous ridge
sand umbra
100% how that works
zealous ridge
more use for sulphur scales sounds good as well
sand umbra
byeah like
a potion made with Sulf Scales that grante temporary Sulf Poisoning immune would be great
zealous ridge
alternatively amidas'
upbeat scroll
^
zealous ridge
blessing could give immunity as well
sand umbra
Amidias' Blessing could also grant it but idk
I prefer that the immune checks that you've actually gone to the Sulf Sea at least once
upbeat scroll
amdias is from the sunken not sulph 
sand umbra
what better way than to ensure you've done the special event associated with said sea?
Blood Orb recipe would also take Sulf Scales for the same reason
radiant meadow
Blood orbs are post skelly so it fine
sand umbra
Blood Orbs smell tho
hollow shell
Huh, I thought the Mana Flower was super useful at all points
I guess it's not much effort to mash the mana key
(haven't done mage pt in a while)
digital saddle
its a decent filler accessory
but like
when you have things like void of extincition and hote and absorber
that fill even better
it feels pointless
hearty plaza
blood orbs are post skelly
... nah
it's entirely possible to yoink an alchemy table from the dungeon before skeletron- you'll just get annihilated by a DG very shortly after
hollow shell
That's definitely not intended 
tired haven
It's just that usually no one goes through the effort to yoink something from dungeon, even if quite feasible
(you can get something like Night's Edge or Herring Staff preboss)
sleek wadi
I would've said use a duck machine to prevent DG spawns, but then I remembered mechanic is locked behind skeletron so
hollow shell
I see exactly what went wrong in that video
The pillars are supposed to spawn very similarly to Infernadoes
Birb shoots a projectile that homes in on you then spawns the pillar on impact
However, the projectile has a 10 second expiration time in which it spawns a pillar even if it didn't impact you
You can see the projectile at the very bottom of the screen in the first second
zealous ridge
well that sounds dumb imo
if you don't know that's how it works then youll just get sniped by it
hollow shell
What concerns me is 1. an expiration time exists at all, and 2. you took damage immediately once the pillar spawned
Which, for 2, would be a problem even if the intended behavior happened and you got hit by the slow homing pillar-spawn projectile
hollow shell
@pearl wasp Resprite suggestions are against the rules and also they're already in the works
pearl wasp
ok
zealous ridge
like there have been so many suggs for them recently
hollow shell
(We never used to get this many resprite suggs. I don't know why it suddenly started up after it became disallowed)
zealous ridge
may have been all the major resprites to previous bosses coming in
clever widget
leviathan is already resprited, i think, it just gets released in the next update i think
hollow shell
Indeed
Siren as well
zealous ridge
yharon i know is in the works
frail mantle
isn't levi and siren resprite waiting for a rework of the fight
hollow shell
Probably not
zealous ridge
and polterghast, im unsure of but i think some ideas have been thrown around
frail mantle
huh
hollow shell
Ideas have indeed been thrown around for Polter
frail mantle
i think i remember Iban saying something like that but i might be wrong
hollow shell
Inanis has made several concepts then grew to dislike all of them after making them
snow slate
There are going to completely rework the Leviathan and the siren?
gray nebula
fab said he wanted to change up some parts of the levi fight with the resprite
hollow shell
The resprite wouldn't be waiting on a rework
A rework would come as a result of the resprite
Yes, "Anahita"
frail mantle
yea that's what i meant
snow slate
Noice. And when are we seeing that👀
frail mantle
eventually™️
snow slate
hollow shell
like in the next update or the update after
.....p..robably
A short suggestion but wholly valid
hollow shell
Additional suggestion:
Make Frost Legion interesting 
gusty geode
Idea
Make it the lead-up to the Cryogen fight
So you fight your way through an army of animated snow and ice before eventually coming across the source of it
indigo fog
would it be a requirement for the cryogen fight?
gusty geode
Maybe the first time?
indigo fog
That sounds like a pointless obstacle nobody would enjoy
it has 0 other rewards and the snow blocks everywhere is just fucking annoying
gusty geode
Or it could be like a Slime Rain type thing
Where it may spawn naturally during the event if a requirement is met
But you could summon it manually by doing a little more work
Also who's to say other rewards couldn't be made
indigo fog
I don't think anyone would go out of their way to make a Snow Globe and spawn Cryogen like that if there's another way to spawn it, even if it's more work.
gusty geode
Eh
Would make summoning it more interesting at least
I believe that was a goal the devs had for most bosses
indigo fog
Nobody would want to summon Cryogen like that, at least with how the Frost Legion is currently. It would be annoying to deal with the snow everywhere and would probably take longer to do the event than to just spawn Cryogen.
gray nebula
that soundsl ike an incredibly bad idea
forcing players to fight a boring invasion to fight a boss
sand umbra
maybe if Frost Legion wasn't garbage I'd like the idea of Cryo requiring it to spawn
the issue is that Frost Legion is garbage
gusty geode
Tbh i thought it'd go without saying that tying the event to a boss would mean a massive overhaul but ig not
tired haven
how about making frost legion not garbage to then incorporate cryo there
too much effort but the dreams...
indigo fog
@magic atlas it is a feature
frail mantle
boss health bar is indeed toggleable
magic atlas
Thx I’m dumb
gray nebula
having to go through a whole invasion to fight a minor boss is kinda ech
hallow hatch
slime rain be like
wooden wedge
@worn kraken https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/350387256583782400/695289330658443304/DashGuide1.44.png
pretty sure solar dash is better
worn kraken
wooden wedge
unless some dashes got changed then this should still hold up
wooden wedge
check to see if you have cryo lore or the valor visiblility on
wooden wedge
I mean the visibility on as in the valor overriding the solar armor
sleek wadi
Something broke Solar Dash thats for sure, one stage of it is sitting at its old dash length
radiant meadow
pretty sure helmet names have no order to their madness
they just go by how they look
radiant meadow
consider it done 
hallow hatch
ty sir
ancient crow
is the daedalus set called that because it used to look like daedalus stormbow
frail mantle
it's called that cause the devs thought the name was cool afaik
frail mantle
don't know the actual reason, i'm just guessing that's why
copper orchid
I think it has to do with Daedalus from the lore. Not my strong suite in the slightest.
Daedalus emblem doesn’t fit that descriptor, though.
sleek wadi
I miss the old Daedalus melee helm. The way the sprite interacted with dyes it made the little bit underneath the crown look like eyes which worked great for my vanity sets
radiant meadow
I believe it was called daedalus when it was just an adamantite recolor
so probably has little to do with stormbow
hollow shell
Well the resprite could've taken after Stormbow still
civic pond
i dont remember the bow and armor being related at all
copper orchid
Alright guys, I have a suggestion relating to the new event. Want input before I go through and post it. **Display a message in the world when the acid rain event is starting, including when the player re-enters a world. ** Right now, there’s a lot of issues with other events not triggering due to acid rain being active, and I think it would make it easier for a lot of players if they knew that the event was up before trying to summon another event. A message like “A cloud looms over the sulphurous sea...” would help players identify whether an event wasn’t spawning properly due to already active acid rain or a bug.
frail mantle
there's already a message when the event starts
shell grotto
yeah but not when you attempt another event
frail mantle
yea iirc it only happens upon natural Acid Rains
shell grotto
but to be fair it really just feels like a QoL change that can be eliminated by paying attention
hollow shell
Nah it looks like it happens on forced rains too
hollow shell
(wuh oh, someone hit enter too early)
carmine island
I noticed. I cringed. So sad
hollow shell
There we go
buoyant dock
i hope i worded my suggestion well.
carmine island
I want to write one by my small brain does t know how to word it :P
hollow shell
Ye it's worded fine
buoyant dock
did Dokuro even make an instrumental version of that song?
carmine island
Yep
indigo fog
yes
carmine island
Listen to Roar Of The Jungle Dragon (Instrumental) by DM DOKURO on #SoundCloud
https://soundcloud.com/dm-dokuro/roar-of-the-jungle-dragon-instrumental
carmine island
I love them to listen to any other time
But during the boss fight they become very distracting :P
unkempt bolt
i've heard the song so many times it's just background for me at this point
carmine island
I can listen to both versions separately, but I can still hear the lyrics 50/50 of the time
radiant meadow
I highly highly highly highly doubt this is gonna happen
because music is fat
adding two versions of the same song is not necessary enough to warrant it be added
given that the reason the latest version of the music mod isn't on mod browser due to its size and the limitations of the mod browser
carmine island
I thought about all that too, but I still thought I should give it a try :/
hollow shell
@rugged belfry That's kind of a strange suggestion, considering it's based entirely on a previous suggestion
Just mentioning previous suggs in your sugg isn't allowed, so that they can all stand on their own
radiant meadow
normality relocator is a donor item btw
hollow shell
(That previous suggestion, by the way, was not successful: https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/695791495948664872)
hallow kraken
celestial onion isn’t QoL
buoyant dock
i wouldnt call NR a QoL either
hollow shell
Yeah it's just a straight buff
NR is very loosely arguable as QoL, as in a RoD that you don't need to scroll to
but
WeaponOut also has that, you don't need a Calamity QoL mod for it
(prolly other mods too)
buoyant dock
i know. i wouldnt call it QoL simply because it has the large drawback of longer Chaos State.
hollow shell
yeah, considering the movement speed buffs
Also cool Pinecone II went offline immediately after posting their suggestion
buoyant dock
but thats a discussion for another chat
hollow shell
Very fun.
buoyant dock
not to mention that calamity doesnt have many QoL items to warrent a seperate mod for it
suggesting a bunch of items to be made however is a different thing
radiant meadow
so like grand thunderbird
toxic kettle
Bold to assume anyone feels guilty when they kill a boss
unkempt bolt
i play calamity only to satisfy my bloodlust
carmine island
Knowing the lore I kinda do against brimmy
hybrid fjord
yeah exactly like grand thunder bird
buoyant dock
regarding the bosses. most of the bosses that doesnt pose a threat are mostly skippable
hybrid fjord
except lc
hollow shell
Lunatic Cultist's death is kinda important to the Lunar Events starting, lore-wise
carmine island
Cultist is definitely not a great example, but brimmy on the other hand is probably the best example
hybrid fjord
what if he fights you to judge if you're powerful enough to fight the moon lord
buoyant dock
brimmy is MOSTLY optional
hybrid fjord
and once he beats you he breaks the seal intentionally
carmine island
Depends on lore :P
buoyant dock
beating her is not required.
also notice that she tries to kill everyone who attempts to worship her
be it lure like we do as the player, or legitimate followers.
hybrid fjord
i honestly dont care if the boss is optional or not
toxic kettle
That makes LC sound like a bouncer at the club checking if people are okay to come in
hollow shell
The only bosses you need to kill are WoF, LC, and ML
and then all the post-ML bosses excluding Polter and Old Duke (and arguably SCal)
You killed Brimmy of your own volition
buoyant dock
also considering how she tries to kill you for using her worshipping idol i doubt shed flee and drop you more stuff in relation to her
hybrid fjord
skele to open dungeon
mech bosses to unlock plantera
plantera to unlock golem
golem to unlock lc
ravager for materials
hollow shell
Those do not make them required, at all
buoyant dock
you never have to open the dungeon up.
unreal viper
You don't need to do that.
radiant meadow
let's not get into low% progression shenanigans please
hybrid fjord
also have fun killing moon lord with wof gear
hollow shell
Not even Skeleton and Golem
because Eidolon Tablet exists
Aight what I'm saying is
Brim does not unlock much
Very little in fact
unreal viper
But most people are going to want the full expereince of the mod, so you have to keep that in mind.
hybrid fjord
but why does that matter
hybrid fjord
but in order to experience the full mod you do
besides
why does it matter if shes optional
buoyant dock
you need a reason for them to flee.
hybrid fjord
people still want to have a fun fight without killing an innocent elemental
radiant meadow
it would give the fight more character
hollow shell
In order to experience the full Undertale you need to do a genocide route
Some blood must be shed for you to see everything
Yes we could make Brim flee instead of die
but the reason
is not very strong
imo
hybrid fjord
i mean i'm pretty sure most people don't like killing innocent people
unreal viper
I really don't care about whether you kill stuff or not, calamity is not a story based mod, so I don't have any investment in the characters.
hollow shell
Tell that to everybody who didn't suggest this
carmine island
Having her flee (and other bosses potentially) would give an explanation for rematches afterwards :P
buoyant dock
annnnd killing anyone who attempts worshipping you is innocent... because?
hollow shell
I can see the reason why she'd attack you and still be innocent
the lore explains it as she sees your idol as a mockery, because nobody worships her anymore and she thinks lowly of herself
buoyant dock
fair enough
hybrid fjord
besides she got mauled by calamitas so she just really doesn't like humans
buoyant dock
uhm. didnt lore state brimmy hates humans because they revolted?
hollow shell
(The lore item does say "Finally put to rest, she will suffer no longer from the grief caused by the deaths of her people."
so there is some mercy in her death)
hybrid fjord
all I'm saying is that adding in more pacifist solutions to fights would be appreciated for characters that deserve a happy ending
like lc
buoyant dock
lunatic cultist arguably was trying to absrove ML's power
hollow shell
An insane cultist isn't necessarily who I'd say deserves a happy ending
hybrid fjord
he wanted to absorb the ml's power to become a wyrm
and then he would just chill in the abyss
not harming anyone
hollow shell
m
buoyant dock
lunatic cultist
hollow shell
Mental and physical ascension
hollow shell
He's a lunatic to the player cuz he's worshipping an evil elder god
buoyant dock
just because a god is weak doesnt mean its not a god.
buoyant dock
well you cant really send him to a psychologist to give him a good ending now do you?
buoyant dock
ALSO
hollow shell
buoyant dock
most bosses arnt sapient enough to think of fleeing. or wouldnt think of fleeing
hollow shell
alright w/e I think we've argued long enough
Lets see if 112 people agree with the sugg
hybrid fjord
which is why i only said some bosses
hollow shell
Just cuz we disagree don't mean everyone does, clearly
buoyant dock
true.
hybrid fjord
this is discussions, not ethic debates
buoyant dock
but i will say the suggestion maybe need to slightly be reworked. instade of enemies that shouldnt be killed fleeing, the enemies that WOULD flee should be made to do so.
hybrid fjord
that's basically what i meant
like obviously you wouldn't see crabulon bookin it out of the fight
but bosses that can flee
would flee
especially bosses that the player has no moral reason to kill
buoyant dock
what i mean for instance is
brimmy would probably rather die then flee, given the fact she sees merely using her idol as mockry deserving of killing you
as fleeing will make even more of a mockery of her
buoyant dock
LC wouldnt flee given the fact that if hes trying to absorbe ML power, be it for good or evil, fleeing and letting you take that from them anyway wouldnt really make sense
hybrid fjord
lc's lore is vague but from what i've heard he's drawing power in order to weaken the moon lord
the benefits are bonuses
buoyant dock
well in this case it would also make no sense of fleeing
hollow shell
can we stop now
hybrid fjord
as i proposed before, the fight could have an entirely different context in order to fix it
and sure
buoyant dock
sure rover
hollow shell
Thank you
rapid pivot
Suggestion: Make the Eater of Worlds immune to electrified/Galvanic Corrosion
Why: As it turns out, the Tesla Potion basically trivializes the entire fight, even on death mode.
indigo fog
i suggested this before
rapid pivot
Turns out slowdown doesn't matter so much compared to the damage effect and the aura itself.
radiant meadow
is he affected by the movement?
hollow shell
You did sugg this before but it didn't get enough stars
so, it can be suggested freely
rapid pivot
No, but he is affected by the damage.
indigo fog
you should mention that it kills vile spit because that's what makes it so easy
rapid pivot
I didn't even need an arena; i fought it underground by mistake
with appropriate gear
and it just kept charging into me to its own doom
i couldn't even move; i was constantly getting hit, but it still died.
radiant meadow
make vile spit ignore the aura
rapid pivot
like, it utterly melts it
turns out that while each segment is immune to all the fire/DoT debuffs, it is NOT immune to Electrified.
ancient crow
@rapid pivot is your profile pic Auram
rapid pivot
yes
ancient crow
ayy nice
unkempt bolt
voice acting in terraria would be incredibly not just distracting, but startling
native pasture
Yharim having some lines in chat would be normal though
hollow shell
Don't suggest stuff for Yharim for any other future content
indigo fog
God
steel knoll
Hello I’m the guy who made it and at least we don’t have to divert attention from the... oh I don’t know... GIANT CELESTIAL SNAKE KNOWN FOR EATING DEITIES AS FOOD.
hollow shell
pardon?
indigo fog
imagine DoG text spam but with voice acting
unkempt bolt
i dont think the point was that it's strange
because yes,
cosmic worms are quite strange
hollow shell
Voice acting would distract you from that
native pasture
Not bad kid but in the most childish voice possible
native pasture
A mod that narrates just all text in game
steel knoll
The text is more distracting because you have to take the time to read it while dodging Boss attacks
unkempt bolt
you don't though
hollow shell
Potentially yes
unkempt bolt
just don't read it if you know what it says
native pasture
"Steampunker has awoken" in google assistant voice
steel knoll
Especially for Supreme Calamitas
unkempt bolt
"Did that hurt?" 400 times per second
hollow shell
but yeah voice acting would be somewhat jarring for Terraria
However, you suggestion isn't inherently invalid
Just remove the bit about Yharim and replace it with some other reason (or expand on what you have. Or just remove it and don't do anything, if you don't care that much)
steel knoll
Dmdokuro voicing Calamitas is a great idea
unkempt bolt
why?
steel knoll
Also my logic for DoG is applied x10 for Supreme Calamitas
unkempt bolt
oh i didn't realize that voice was calamitas
hollow shell
ah
steel knoll
And I don’t know Dmdokuro was a boy
hollow shell
Thought it was somewhat obvious cuz she quotes an in-game line
steel knoll
Also consider the lore possibilities
unkempt bolt
supreme calamitas doesn't really talk when you're supposed to be paying attention though
hollow shell
Kinda does
unkempt bolt
she talks at the beginning of bullet hells, but projectiles have barely spawned in yet
she does talk for brothers
hollow shell
There's never really quiet moments in the fight
If there are they last for like a second
steel knoll
The text is more distracting plus it would be AWESOME
hollow shell
If you could add some of this reason you're spoutin' to your suggestion (after removing the bit about Yharim), that would be appreciated
hollow shell
Could you elaborate
What lore possibilities would be opened with voice acting that aren't doable via text
steel knoll
K in what way I’ll take some suggestions for my suggestion
hollow shell
I'm asking you to elaborate
you
You think that there are lore possibilities so lets hear them
steel knoll
K I’ll go do it now
unkempt bolt
digital saddle
steel knoll
What do you think guys
hollow shell
So just "giving the bosses more depth and emotion"
Okay fair enough
(everything else you added is not reasoning, it's just more suggestion)
but
fair that thing you did add
steel knoll
The possibilities are endless
steel knoll
I wonder if Fabsol saw this?
hollow shell
for the Prov and Yharon things
if they can't speak now in text, why would they with voice acting
Nah Fabsol doesn't look in these channels
unkempt bolt
i highly doubt fabsol saw it
hollow shell
that's why the star system exists
When you reach 120 stars it gets sent to the Dev Server
cloud surge
Make NPCs immune to gladiator's locket
I just noticed that my NPCs have been getting hurt by this item, and i don't think a projectile belonging to the player should hurt NPCs, it could cause one to die unfairly and make players wait for the NPC to come back.
cloud surge
wait a minute
steel knoll
I was suggesting more immersion in the mod as I love this mod.
unkempt bolt
i almost feel like voice acting would ruin my immersion
hollow shell
You could add immersion as a reason
steel knoll
Maybe a glitch
hollow shell
probably a bug yeah
unkempt bolt
it would be jarring to hear any form of voice coming from terraria
native pasture
Voice acting could be really jarring because it changes your perception of their voice and it'd take a while to get used to
cloud surge
i unequiped it and when i put it back on the screenshot it it didnt do it
native pasture
Jarring, the word of the minute
unkempt bolt
not to mention VA would get really irritating if you're doing the boss multiple times, like nohitting
obv this could be avoided by turning down sound
cloud surge
scal's theme
steel knoll
Calamitas is a girl and until a little bit ago I never knew it
unkempt bolt
ah that's true, scal's theme already has lyrics
steel knoll
That is jarring
unkempt bolt
nothing less distracting than hearing two voices at the same time
cloud surge
and pbg has that bit that i think says "somebody scream" but not sure, and yharon
steel knoll
It would only go off when bosses say a line for the first time and voice would soften the music so you can hear them
unkempt bolt
hm
native pasture
From now on scal must be referred to as sclam
hollow shell
scram.
hollow shell
It's "Somebody scream" and "Make some noise"
They're stock voice clips
native pasture
Pbg = peanut butter gelly
unkempt bolt
neato
hollow shell
cuz her theme be boppin
unkempt bolt
beelzebub is a banger
native pasture
I didn't have sound on for that fight so I gotta go listen to that
hollow shell
though I also interpret them as somebody trying to call for help, because they or others are dying of the plague
unkempt bolt
anyways, didn't mean to veer off topic
cloud surge
extra
unkempt bolt
^
native pasture
I think that's my favorite
hollow shell
It's pretty good
cloud surge
frost moon best vanilla
unkempt bolt
skeletron's theme from extra music is the skeleton-iest song i've ever heard
it's wonderful
steel knoll
I’m back and I made my suggestion better
unkempt bolt
fixes some issues with it
steel knoll
Wait a minute Rover your a dev!!
hollow shell
I am yes
My primary dev job is managing suggestions
(my secondary job is making music)
(but it's like very secondary cuz we got our boy Dokuro)
steel knoll
Do you like my suggestion
hollow shell
You're new so I won't give you too hard of a time about it
but there's things I would do differently about it, in terms of it as a suggestion
In terms of what you're suggesting, I personally think voice acting would be out of place. It could be done but I don't think I would like it very much
steel knoll
Pls don’t tell Dokuro I though he was female
hollow shell
lol, you're good, dw
steel knoll
I love Calamity’s bosses
I want to give them more depth
Though it would be distracting it’s less distracting than looking in the corner of the screen.
Rover?
hollow shell
ye?
hollow shell
(If it's not suggestion related we ought to move to a different channel-)
oh
Sometimes I do but not often
steel knoll
What have you suggested
hollow shell
Considering I'm in the dev server I don't really need to. I can just talk it over with the devs directly.
But sometimes devs do post suggestions to gauge public opinion.
If you overlook the administrative stuff, you can see what I suggested with from:RoverdriveX#7729 in:suggestions in the searchbar
radiant meadow
you can also suggest things for the server
hollow shell
ye true
radiant meadow
like emote suggestions primarily since I'd like to think the server is pretty good
steel knoll
I suggested the idea over on the Official Terraria server before this
Not suggesting to those devs of course
hollow shell
The idea of Calamity bosses having voice acting?
steel knoll
Yeah
hollow shell
yeah lol better to keep the Calamity talk in this server
You'll make more progress
in general.
steel knoll
Dude there is a server there dedicated to mods there
I’m also looking for cheese and I don’t mean the food
For the perforator hive
hollow shell
Ah
unkempt bolt
wrong channel
hollow shell
You can use #help-advice-read-pins to get boss help
hollow shell
np
thorny cradle
Yikes, I literally just got done reading the doc but didn't see it
I will delete it
hollow shell
(And it'll probably stay that way considering the music mod ain't getting any smaller)
I do like the idea in the suggestion
carmine island
It's sad how many great ideas are locked behind the size of the music mod :P
hollow shell
If filesize wasn't such a big concern I'd consider calling the Don't expired and let it slide
but it is, unfortunately
thorny cradle
Yep, Do you want me to delete?
hollow shell
Yeah, sorry
swift wadi
Great idea though
thorny cradle
No its fine, should've read slower
carmine island
May want to add something to the dont's doc about anything music related if file size is that big an issue
hollow shell
I added a note to the Frequently Sugg'd one
carmine island
Saw the note. Should I yeet my sugg about the instrumental theme for yharon phase 2?
native pasture
I wonder I'd there's a way to split it up or downsize the file
sturdy pelican
like in yharon it works because it’s part of the song but dynamic VA such as DoG saying “did that hurt lmao” is trickier i reckon
tepid root
mmmm voice acting yikes
carmine island
I get the feeling they've cut down the file size as much as possible, and its still massive
tepid root
yes but jetshift is jetshift
lost agate
And voice acting is voice acting
tepid root
byeah
sleek wadi
I'd rather not we jump into voice acting, especially because Calamity kinda sets the bar for other big content mods so if we do it everyone else will jump on it.
native pasture
Got me interested in jetshift now
tepid root
brh
frank nacelle
I'm aware this is referring to a suggestion which is probably no longer being discussed by now, but tbh I think it could make sense for at least LC to surrender/flee after being defeated. Assuming their goal is to prevent ML from destroying the planet, the player fighting them serves as sort of a test of 'is this person actually potentially capable of beating ML.' Assuming their goal is to steal ML's power for themselves, they still presumably would prefer to survive the fight than not.
frank nacelle
Give me my LC NPC tbh
hallow hatch
So he’d just die
sand umbra
LC literally absorbs the power of the tablet the moment you summon him
frank nacelle
(That's vanilla lore, calamity lore is different.)
sand umbra
which is presumably the physical manifestation of the seal keeping ML under wraps
which means you physically can't progress until LC is dead without pulling some major new shenanigans involving letting him be spoken to and convinced to personally break the seal
sand umbra
do I think that should be done? absolutely and that's why I'm doing the idea myself, I had it in mind before pitching it here :v
hallow hatch
Where I join
frank nacelle
They're sealing ML/absorbing his power.
Not sure which one is their primary objective and which is secondary.
sand umbra
but do I think the Calamity devteam's gonna do it?
...not really, considering they're got much bigger fishrons to fry at the moment
gusty geode
Given how they've responded to suggs for configs to other balances
I doubt that's gonna happen
frank nacelle
Add something to make the vanilla NPCs more relevant post-ML.
As it is, after you've beaten ML, the vanilla NPCs are basically dead weight (aside from Goblin Tinkerer). Of course some of them were already dead weight (Guide, Stylist, Dye Trader, Tax Collector, Painter, Truffle after you buy a single autohammer, etc,) and there are a few useful bits and bobs they sell, but the majority become absolutely useless once vanilla progression ends.
Any thoughts?
calm temple
then why is the mining boost thing there
I’m just thinking it would be so easy, and they have expressed interest in an actual mode for speedrunners later down the road, so they definitely have us on their minds. It would be so simple to implement, too.
frank nacelle
I see how it is.
gusty geode
Painter and Dye Trader also get a pass imo
Their whole concept is a purely cosmetic thing so there wouldn't be much point in giving them a practical function
frank nacelle
Yeah I'm talking more about the NPCs who are useful in vanilla.
Should I clarify that in the suggestion?
sand umbra
I should go yell at people at some point to add Calamity-themed hair dyes
gusty geode
Post-ML paint would also be awesome
frank nacelle
Ooh like a paint that has the void dye effect?
Probably impossible but I can dream
calm temple
What paints could you possibly want that isn’t in vanilla yet
gusty geode
I was gonna say afaik there's no paint for the Stardust Pillar's shade of blue but void could also be cool
calm temple
Between the hundreds of block textures and dozens of paints you don’t really need more building options in terms of blocks.
hollow shell
oof
I dunno about reverting a super cheese glitch
sand umbra
I mean other invincibility machines still work
calm temple
There are other ones?!
sand umbra
yes
the dummy fix doesn't really do anything except prevent memes in SP and cause annoyances in MP
you can still get hit by normal shit and live for eons
calm temple
Also as it currently stands, before it was patched it only worked for the pre-ml bosses because the other ones use their own special i-frames.
sand umbra
it still only works for pre-ML bosses
but that's still an enormous majority of the game's progression
calm temple
I was led to believe it doesn’t currently work for any bosses?
sand umbra
Slimy Saddle doesn't work at all because of the dummy fix
it's called spawning in slimes with a statue and letting them hit you
hollow shell
The i-frames thing is still a thing, regardless of this glitch
calm temple
I just realized that Armeggadon could be a reason to not allow this change, but you could just force the fix on the player while it’s active. Same thing with death mode and the likes.
sand umbra
the point is, there are still ways to gain bootleg invulnerability even though the Slimy Saddle exploit got patched out
and to fix the bigger Beholster in the room...wouldn't really be worth it given what it'd take
because suddenly everything has to use ML-style i-frames or nothing can use them.
and I mean everything
that includes entities and projectiles that normally use standard player i-frames
calm temple
i also want to point out there’s already a much bigger cheese in the form of ducks
calm temple
You don’t like true Eyes in ML fight? Gone in an instant.
frank nacelle
Make all ducks instantly die while a boss is alive
Alternatively, make all bosses instantly die while a duck is alive
teal ibex
as much as i dig the idea of speedruns, i also have to disagree with a slimy saddle config
it's not even that slimy saddle was originally patched, but rather than dummies themselves were patched during bossfights due to how they behaved with certain weapons on hit
so it's not quite so simple
calm temple
Wait really?
teal ibex
by reverting the slimy saddle nerf, you're also reverting a lot of other exploitative behavior
sand umbra
(Slimy Saddle was in fact an outlier for the longest time)
sand umbra
something something Stellar Striker becoming viable
teal ibex
besides the % guns, which were only nerfed due to public outcry
everything else has been incidental due to other balancing issues
calm temple
I... I never knew that. I’ll take the suggestion down. I always assumed it was a pointed thing.
teal ibex
yeah it's not particularly well known info, peeps either assume it was nerfed for saddle or don't know saddle strats exist
just an unfortunate circumstance really
but downpatching may happen instead, which could be equally epic
ashen warren
Add an easy storage system instead of me having to get an mod for it
gray nebula
no 
ashen warren
Like the magic storage one
gray nebula
just use magic storage 
ashen warren
Ye or make it part of calmaity
soft fern
I just store all my stuff the hard way
ashen warren
Ok did they no do the same for boss health bar or something?
soft fern
No they just made their own health bars.
gray nebula
calam's boss health bar is different because it is a lot more informative
and also mgr 
gray nebula
?
gray nebula
warped tide
unnecessary at best intrusive at worst
ashen warren
┐(￣ヘ￣)┌
warped tide
calamity is organized in such a way that its content works for its own progression and otherwise unnecessary content (like music) is split to other mods
magic storage being a diff mod as it is now fits with that idea
soft fern
It also works well with thorium, because it's built to mesh with it, but that's another story.
ashen warren
Ye cuz mods like that get a bit messy with items needed
tepid root
me when more active summon weapons
tepid root
i think thats a bug thats getting fixed
soft fern
noo please don't nerf my super op stuff pls
peak prawn
😢
radiant meadow
@peak prawn I've already worked to nerf vigil and such. Yes, I know it's super strong in the public update.
hollow idol
What about Vile Feeder
radiant meadow
I've already nerfed that too
peak prawn
Glad. Don't forget to buff cold divinity ❤️ Looks too fun but kinda slow for a rare item
hollow idol
epic
ashen warren
slow in what way? 
peak prawn
DPS way. i like to analyse summon by DPS.
But i think i'm underestimating it by comparing with entropy's vigil.
ashen warren
yeah probably shouldn't compare it as much to something that's overpowered and nerfed next update
peak prawn
Since the game is still open i'll try comparing it with ice chunk since it was the weapon i was using before Calamitas' ultimate cursed weapon
Ice chunk = 500 DPS
Cold Div = 300 to 800 DPS
Yeah it's slow
It actually varies too much. Interesting
But i think it should be better. It's a legendary item after all.
Kinda just as hard to drop (and disappoiting for me) as Kelvin Catalyst to craft
left crest
yea CD is incredibly strong
you get it from cryogen and it destroys all the mechs and alt mechs for you
peak prawn
🤔 It didn't feel like that but i'll check it out nonetheless, thanks. I really love this weapon.