er, whats with the resprite suggestions?
#suggestions-discussion
zealous ridge
gray nebula
starred because of the epic reasoning
indigo fog
you can go to the art server and ask there
gray nebula
timid cave
i wont do it again
ashen warren
and tbh slime god is good
timid cave
i never said they werent
frail mantle
nah it's okay, just remember to check the don'ts doc next time in case you're about to suggest something that isn't allowed
quick ice
it could still do with a Resprite to fit the new look of the recently resprited bosses
hallow kraken
Isn’t this a frequently suggested don’t
timid cave
sorry if i wasnt on the profaned pack thing
quick ice
it is, we established that
hallow kraken
Dash
indigo fog
I don't see it under frequently suggested
hallow kraken
oh
indigo fog
it has?
hallow kraken
Huh, I swear I remember seeing that on the don’ts doc
indigo fog
I think i remember seeing it there too
indigo fog
But why would that even be removed
strong jacinth
bruh you could just plant trees
magic verge
theres a crimson next to it, it would be crimson trees..
strong jacinth
wh
gray nebula
plant it on sulphurous sand
tawny garden
@magic verge I think that it's also a drop
magic verge
i dont think its a drop, at least in tier 1
and it would be pointless to drop in further tiers
magic verge
so, if i plant acorns on the sulphurous sand, it will be acidwood regardless of it being on the crimson?
hollow shell
It's in Abyss crates
and yes
sleek wadi
Trees are dictated by what block its planted on, not the current biome
hollow shell
^
indigo fog
@quick relic Asgardian Aegis being a toggle is intended. It lets the player be able to use a separate accessory's dash while having Asgardian Aegis equipped
hollow shell
It was indeed a Frequently Suggested Don't but I removed it from that list when this one came around
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/695173762160787506
Because the most recent sugg of it was over a year ago
so A Bad Joke just needs to provide reasoning for his suggestion
tawny garden
a year ago
Do you mean delivered (excluding blue checks)? because I remember seeing them like at least once a week
hollow shell
Delivered yes
whoops, this one slipped through the cracks
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/683297266118688898
@quick relic you wanna try again with that sentence
aight cool that's better
radiant meadow
I must say that wulfrum rod was half a meme idea
but the trade off concept isn't a bad idea either
hallow kraken
is that what’s with the sprite
hollow shell
Not delivered
ashen warren
yes
unkempt bolt
my b, thought there was a rule against suggesting things that have recently been suggested
hollow shell
@still cliff You already made that suggestion and it got delivered
radiant meadow
you're not allowed to resuggest something that got delivered
still cliff
That's why i resugg
hollow shell
It's still within bluecheck range
still cliff
Ok my bad sry
hollow shell
but it's your own sugg
still cliff
Sorry sorry i got it
radiant meadow
If it has been at least a week and a suggestion has not been not reached the star requirements to be delivered, then you may repost it.
it reached the star reqs before so you shouldn't need to repost it
hollow shell
(It's also a Don't but I don't know if the original suggestion was posted before or after the Don't was made)
(if there was another
slip
or whatever)
swift wadi
Make the Teratoma spawn Hive Mind further away from the player
Currently, the Teratoma spawns Hive Mind directly above the player, making it extremely hard to spawn him in and not take a hit without quick movement/knowledge that it does this, and if you're farming on Armageddon mode, this inconvenience becomes a death-trap. Make it spawn him out of the way of the player, or don't allow him to damage the player directly after being spawned, like Crabulon.
hollow shell
Sounds good
hollow shell
why have you done this
swift wadi
because I made ozza aware of this and he said "I'd make it a suggestion", so I thought he'd want to see that I did
hollow shell
Alright then
hearty yew
i too have no idea why you posted this when I actively read every message in #suggestions-voting
unkempt bolt
Nerf Spikecrag Staff
As much as I love messing around with this weapon, it's quite powerful, to a degree I don't believe to be appropriate. Using the following gear: Ruthless Spikecrag Staff, Valhalla Knight armor, Star-Tainted Generator, Leaf Wings, Angel Treads, Apprentice's Scarf, Statis Curse (Experiencing a bug where i cannot equip statis blessing, shadowflame doesn't make a noticeable difference) Summoner Emblem, I achieved the following times using no buffs, no rippers, on revengeance. (If no reforge was listed, none was applied)
Plaguebringer Goliath: 12 seconds
Fishron: 30 seconds
Cultist: 9 seconds
i can record these fights, if deemed necessary
gusty geode
That's why I suggested it the other day
Feel like that failed to get across mb but that was my main reason
unkempt bolt
yes
pulsar jay
thanks for the tip I'm abusing that i hate her
unkempt bolt
rude
unkempt bolt
?
hollow shell
Spikecrag is a sentry and therefore does not utilize minion slots
unkempt bolt
yes
pulsar jay
just spikechad
unkempt bolt
yes
pulsar jay
I'm abusing this so hard before it's patched
hollow shell
(tbf Ravager is meant to be fought after PBG and Duke)
unkempt bolt
hm
unkempt bolt
both post-golem, didn't know there was a specific order
ashen warren
not to mention sentries being balanced around there only being one of them
multiple sentries breaks the balance for pre much all sentries tbh
unkempt bolt
i recall using it for ML, it's not as good due to how much his hands move
radiant meadow
I've said it several times
unkempt bolt
but i can try to get some deus times for you
radiant meadow
but managing 3 mods would be terrible
unkempt bolt
that's not what he meant
radiant meadow
it's already enough to just manage main and music
pulsar jay
oh
unkempt bolt
he meant for the calamity devs to handle having 3 mods
pulsar jay
o
unkempt bolt
currently getting a cultist, time, shaping up to be less than a minute
pulsar jay
cultist is wet paper I'm suprised he didn't become non-existent instantly
oh but he's small
not all the spikes hit him
unkempt bolt
and teleports
he always teleports in relation to you
so with proper positioning you can get him directly above the spikecrags at all times
would easily be sub 20 seconds
lmao this thing really is broken
15 seconds
unkempt bolt
lul
cosmic steeple
unkempt bolt
lol 9 second cultist kill
sorry bud
turns out astrum deus is hard with no buffs spikecrag only
because you need to stay relatively close to the crags, which does not bode well for deus
boss checklist is refusing to time this ML kill, but im estimating somewhere around the 30 second mark
so do i have the all-clear to make this an actual sugg?
hollow shell
Sure
Also you're playing Death Mode, right Tenshi?
This is a Death change
It's meant to be batshit
radiant meadow
blood moon going bonkers is death
sand umbra
that's Death, alright, you can get that from the lightning strike tell
Death Mode Blood Moons are absolutely batshit insane and you are highly encouraged to spam spawn rate reduction items everywhere so that when you do need to buy something during a Blood Moon you don't literally implode
now, if you need to farm something during a Blood Moon, and you're properly prepared...
radiant meadow
valhalla is kinda bruh
toxic kettle
Just melting LC alive 
civic pond
spikecrag alone is usually enough to = everything dies
zealous ridge
valhalla is bruh ye
toxic kettle
remember that 15 second Polterghast kill with Spikechad
sand umbra
oh yeah Oof's like 15-second Polter kill w/ Rage meme or smth
zealous ridge
bruh 15 seconds on a mid post-ml boss with a weapon thats obtained before deus? tf
may have been a scummy strategy, but w h a t
civic pond
oh yeah old death rage uh
zealous ridge
ah
radiant meadow
and uhhh valhalla knight is literally a bruh moment and a half
zealous ridge
what does that mean ben
radiant meadow
it means it exists to fuck with our sentry balance
zealous ridge
civic pond
multiple sentries sounds nice though 
sleek wadi
Isn't it and most sentries balanced around there being only one? If so, then why not just hard-cap sentries to one?
toxic kettle
and Ogre's sentry accessories would be useless
which are very creative in their effects I must say
zealous ridge
spikecrag could be reworked to be a minion that works more like sirius
sleek wadi
Sentries cancel out other sentries IIRC, so having multiple sentry slots might still be useful even if you have to pull from a couple of tiers down
sand umbra
the entirety of OOA exists to pull sentry balance into the void of brokenness
zealous ridge
as in, you only get one that scales with minion slots
sand umbra
meme
unkempt bolt
wasn't able to get a kill on astrum deus, but from the rate it was going i'd estimate a minute to a minute and a half
radiant meadow
better than grand guardians 10 seconds
sand umbra
Atlantis hours
zealous ridge
sand umbra
S&L drop good on Deuces Wild hours
radiant meadow
I just remember how surprised I was when deus just died to gg 
zealous ridge
tbf there's always going to be broken shit
unkempt bolt
it's my job and duty to find broken weapons, use them to cheese my playthrough, then report them
unkempt bolt
is that how we're balancing broken weapons now
zealous ridge
well then you get masochist mode
unkempt bolt
inb4 yharim has spikecrags throughout the arena
sleek wadi
Deus just kinda dies to true melee in general, falling hitbox looking ass
sand umbra
my job and duty is to yell about how Destroyer being able to inflict Chilled and Glacial State is dumb
I might make a Desu sugg soon
unkempt bolt
guys lets let the head deal massive damage and also you can be immobilized during the fight
top meme
sand umbra
the fight's not nearly as horrible as it used to be but there are still things that just don't work in the context of the fight, the big one being frost lasers which are made needlessly promininent and which can freeze for multiple seconds + chill for nearly a minute...in a fight that in its current state demands constant movement
digital saddle
i think hallowed rune needs a nerf
sand umbra
never mind the fact that the frost lasers don't fit thematically and the fault largely falls on Desu's current design philosophy for somehow expecting the player to bring cold immunity to a fight that logically thinking should not require it
unkempt bolt
does anything provide immunity to glacial state?
digital saddle
warmth pot
sand umbra
Warmth Potions
sand umbra
anything else that can provide immunity...is after Desu to some extent
sleek wadi
Yeah bringing Warmth potions to a giant ass mechanical snake is dumb
sand umbra
fuck it
unkempt bolt
yowzas
sleek wadi
🦀 Siren is dead! 🦀
toxic kettle
Siren just gets nuked
digital saddle
i think its unusually powerful with entopys vigil because it deals damage in small ticks extremely fast
and the stars might be flat dmg
not sure
unkempt bolt
time to try hallowed rune with spikechad against cultist
seems spikecrag doesn't hit anywhere near as fast as vigil
strange
ashen warren
sand umbra
Either replace the frost lasers in Rev+ Destroyer's fight with something else, or severely reduce the time they inflict Chilled and Glacial State for.
❔
It should not be necessary to bring a Warmth Potion --- a potion that is designed around cold resistance --- to a fight that has nothing to do with cold simply because an attack that is made obscenely prominent throughout the fight (particularly in Death Mode) chills and can freeze for multiple seconds at a time. The fight as it stands currently demands constant movement as Desu himself can deal immense damage, particularly with his head, and the frost lasers are really just there to make getting hit needlessly punishing. Given the fact that Destroyer isn't particularly enjoyable to fight in his current state, the replacement of these frost lasers or at least some major adjustments to them seem like the best course of action to push the fight in the right direction; in short, this particular attack is not only excessively brutal if it hits but isn't thematically fitting at all compared to the rest of the fight.
on today's episode of "Frozen 2 is still a meme-tier movie probably and movie sequels are usually unnecessary in general"
thoughts?
swift wadi
Wh00ps
unkempt bolt
i like this sugg
an argument could be made that once you know there's frost lasers, you could bring a warmth pot
ashen warren
huh
hes saying destroyer has nothjng to do with coldness
so warmth pot shouldnt be necessary
unkempt bolt
skeleprime is the one who's message says the air is getting colder
disclaimer: this is not me saying skeleprime should have frost lasers, PLEASE never do this
terse sundial
didn't I just say that it's intended
hollow shell
@steady lion You need a reason
terse sundial
like 20 seconds ago
sand umbra
needless to say I hate it, I always have hated it, and I still firmly believe it should be changed even though I've probably mentioned Desu's various memes multiple times in this channel 
steady lion
Yeah. Hold on. Had to put my point down.
hollow shell
~~Can we change #suggestions-voting 's name to #suggestions_read_pins_and_provide_a_reason)
sleek wadi
Also the chilled+warmth thing is something of a noob trap. "Didn't bring this relatively obscure/useless potion to a fight that never needed it in the past? Should have known better, eat a death"
ashen warren
close ur ~~
hollow shell
no
ashen warren
?
unkempt bolt
i support what rover said
pulsar jay
why?
unkempt bolt
because people never read pins
sand umbra
this is sorta also why Ice Golems are stupid but I'll get into that later
ashen warren
GOD
hallow kraken
bruh
ashen warren
GOD
unkempt bolt
lmaooo
hallow kraken
and/or
pulsar jay
anyway
ashen warren
lets just suggest queen slime
pulsar jay
why should you not be able to break scal's arena with crystyl
you already beat scal
so like
queen slime?
unkempt bolt
not to mention there isn't a reason to break scals arena
pulsar jay
astrageldon
unkempt bolt
going outside it is a death wish
sand umbra
the only correct way to do Queen Slime
is KS but nothing changes except it's Pinky
thank you for coming to my talk
unkempt bolt
like maybe if you're having trouble hitting the brothers because your weapon doesnt go through blocks?
sleek wadi
Really tiny and jumps real high, gotcha
sand umbra
yes
hollow shell
I like the wording
"King Slime except it is exactly the same except it's just Pinky"
sand umbra
pulsar jay
queen slime mimic ai
ashen warren
oh my god
unkempt bolt
rename channel to linguistic deconstruction
pulsar jay
king slime is more focused on summoning things than actually being agressive
queen slime would be the opposite
more aggression less summons
hollow shell
@steady lion SCal is defeated when you have Crystyl Crusher
It's a post-SCal item
You already experienced the fight as the devs intended
hollow shell
(also going to the nurse during enraged SCal sounds like a bad idea)
steady lion
Yes.
toxic kettle
WHO in their right mind goes to the nurse during the SCal fight
steady lion
I figured. Hmm. Not me
ashen warren
i think its better the way it is solely because you get to fuck around with it and then also get killed because of the enrage
unkempt bolt
you can just RoD out lol
steady lion
Ok. Ok. I see your points. Nvm then.
toxic kettle
If you put the nurse right next to the arena she dies in 0.0001 seconds
unkempt bolt
big strong men
hollow shell
@sinful violet Could you add something along the lines of "Your suggestion must always include a reason." to the Suggestion Rules
preferably like near the top
Having it at the top of the Don'ts doc doesn't seem to be enough
steady lion
So iirc from earlier, crystyl crusher works the same as a solar pickaxe with right click?
hollow shell
Yeah it's just a normal pick on right-click
steady lion
Cool. And how fast is its tick speed?
hollow shell
Apparently it's not as fast as Blossom, but this is a bug
It's supposed to be way faster
unkempt bolt
^
hollow shell
but it's a bit slower
steady lion
Hmm.
unkempt bolt
it's actually pretty slow right now
sinful violet
toxic kettle
how much faster than 1 block per tick can it get 
unkempt bolt
2 blocks per tick
toxic kettle
Smart Cursor just dies then
hollow shell
well s'not 1 block per tick
It's supposed to be but it's just like moderately quick atm
steady lion
Well I could see why. It mines so fast like with minecraft and command blocked diamond pickaxe buffed to oblivion. The game can't handle it well.
hollow shell
Thank you Mrrp 👍
steady lion
Kind of like that right? Where to many blocks were taken before it could register?
Or it would take too many blocks?
hollow shell
Nah that's not it
Crystyl Crusher used to have a super fast speed, before it had the laser
and it worked fine
Something about having it be the alt function is messing with it
toxic kettle
It also used to blow up a lot of houses
hollow shell
indeed
Which is why the laser is now the way it is
toxic kettle
Crystyl Crusher: "My main goal is to blow up and then act like I don't know nobody hanhanhanhanhan"
ancient crow
chain chomp looking headass
steady lion
Hmm.
radiant meadow
unkempt bolt
while funny, meme suggestions are a nono
ashen warren
unironically, not a meme sugg, but dont have reasoning besides the typical: its cool
need better reasoning
ashen warren
good
bumblebirb sounded weird and cute kinda like old bumble but the new one is too cool and edgy to have such a precious name
civic pond
unless they kept it for irony, but i really doubt that
ashen warren
time to brainstorm birb names
unkempt bolt
im not sure you can come up with a good reason for a boss name change that isn't purely subjective
dense nebula
His new appearance is really serious for a silly name like "Bumblebirb"
But yeah, it's all subjective.
hollow shell
You could/should just make the suggestion be "Rename Bumblebirb"
with a lotta reasoning, and also maybe example names but that's optional
ashen warren
actually
bumblebirb has enough meaning that if it was renamed it should carry over
bumble meaning blunder or mistake etc and birb being, well birb
hollow shell
Flying Mistake
radiant meadow
or just bumblebird
hollow shell
even the inclusion of the word "bumble" doesn't seem too fitting
zealous ridge
really?
hollow shell
considering it's no longer vaguely insectoid or bee-like
as it was before
zealous ridge
i feel like it fits somewhat
if we consider bumble as in "bumbling"
like sure its not insect-esque anymore
hollow shell
"Bumblebirb" is definitely a play on "Bumblebee"
zealous ridge
yeah
ashen warren
erroraptor
zealous ridge
but it doesn't need to be a bird on the end
bumblehawk, for example?
eh
in all fairness, i agree it doesn't have to be bumble
hollow shell
"Lightning Hawk-" wait
ashen warren
error - mistake
raptor - angery bird
hollow shell
egoraptor
zealous ridge
bumbletalon
alright ill stop with the names, point is i wouldn't be opposed personally
upbeat scroll
Tbh I kinda like the destroyer
hollow shell
yeah that's a good name for Bumblebirb
upbeat scroll
Walking Failed Abor- wait
unkempt bolt
living failure
upbeat scroll
Anyways, the Destroyer isn't too bad, it's just the fact that you have to bring certain potions, and also, that helps as the Warmth Potion provides Damage Reduction to Cold Sources, meaning if you do bring Warmth, you will take less damage to the lasers than if they were normal lasers.
hollow shell
anyway yeah rasp if you're still listening
prolly would be best to just suggest it get renamed and not provide any example names
ashen warren
uh oh
Change bumblebirb's name
With the recent resprite of bumblebirb, I feel that the name "bumblebirb" is not edgy/serious enough to fit it and since bumblebirb no longer resembles a bee in any way. Some suggestions for particular names include: Abirbtion, Erroraptor, Misflyer, Dracrow, Bluzzard
i put so much effort into these puns :(
anyways might as well
hollow shell
I'm trying to think of a name that still has some identity and identifiability
civic pond
I like the second one byeah its probably better to avoid anything specific
hollow shell
i.e. a name
upbeat scroll
You Defeated a Yharon Clone-
hollow shell
A portmanteau/pun doesn't really seem like the best option
ashen warren
aight
civic pond
ngl a singular name seems a lot harder to think of
hollow shell
It's also possible to reference its lightning ability or rabbit-like reproduction in the name
civic pond
also since there's multiple(?) of them
hollow shell
something something "Thunderbird" is fitting but yknow Thorium
radiant pivot
the bumble bee part also represented the quick pace that the bumblebirb procreated in the lore at least
birds and da bees
calm elbow
I'm bad with names
hollow shell
hehe
ashen warren
added
calm elbow
i probably couldnt come up with a name if i tried
strong jacinth
just make it bumblrbird iirc
ashen warren
blunderbirb
hollow shell
"The Hypersex Electric Dracowing"
hollow shell
ohmsprey
ashen warren
failcon
civic pond
hypersex
civic pond
ooh thats good.
hollow shell
shawk
civic pond
Jungle dragon yharon
shawk
teal ibex
this is the be all end all of electric bird puns
civic pond
its not every day we have electric bird puns.
hollow shell
I like Shawk but I acknowledge it's terrible for multiple reasons
zenith hazel
spark birdrill
hollow shell
civic pond
hollow shell
Thank you Wikimedia Commons
teal ibex
dear god
civic pond
ok time to go onto thesaurus .com and brainstorm
in the end its the devs decision though
h
karmic stone
Boss Zen toggle in Mod Config
Boss Zen primarily exist so that Armaggeddon farming isn't suddenly interrupted by enemies that aren't part of a boss fight, besides that, most outside enemies that try to get in the way shift your focus for one second then mysteriously dissappear, so it isn't that big of a deal. There are only few occasions where it's actually really neat to have outside of Arma like in places where there are deadly enemies that can actually hinder you considerably mid-fight, and for that, you can have the toggle on.
Outside of that, there are some downsides, like the fact it uses one of your buff slots to work which can be really annoying sometimes, or in MP cases where person X wants to farm bosses but person Y wants to farm normal enemies and Boss Zen from X's farming won't let Y farm, Boss Zen is not even necessary at all for some fights like SCal where all other enemies are deleted from existence or just straight up don't make a difference, and for this, you can have the toggle off.
Thing
hollow shell
Well enemies could also fuck up an Adrenaline
wary canyon
I mean he’s saying it would be toggleable
civic pond
boss zen made our MP quite wacky indeed
hollow shell
yeah I'm just sayin
Arma isn't the only reason
This is fair enough I spose
Fits in with the other configs
karmic stone
Yea im not gonna dismiss that, gimme a sec
...There are occasions where it's actually really neat to have outside of Arma like in places where there are dangerous enemies that can actually harm you directly considerably, or interrupt your adrenaline and make it overall hard to maintain, and for that, you can have the toggle on.
ues
hollow idol
@patent mural provide a reason please
upbeat scroll
yung there are potions that make projectiles light up like dangersense or hunter
indigo fog
I don't like the idea of having an omniscience potion at night be a necessity to see its projectiles clearly though. There's no reason for it to be like that
upbeat scroll
you could always use the Eye of Cthulhu Lore Item at day for that
patent mural
having its projectiles be really dark by default is just bad game design
left crest
also omniscience potion just makes the projectiles red
they're still super hard to see, just maybe a smidge less so
upbeat scroll
Make Cryogen's particles brighter. His projectiles blend in to the environment too much and can make dodging them difficult if you're hardly able to see them in the first place.
red is still better
tepid root
wat
wooden wedge
Enigma has timestop
tepid root
fargo's has timestop, gensokyo mod has timestop, antiaris i think has timestop
hollow shell
Where is it in Fargo's?
strong jacinth
huh
tepid root
stardust enchantment
hollow shell
oh haha
queen delta
Yeah but the problem is that time stop can be extremely glitchy or even not work at all in mp
sleek wadi
Temporary invincibility sounds better as long as necessary counter-balances are put in place like disabling Coldheart Icicle
upbeat scroll
Stardust enchantment? Sounds... Stardust Crusaders wah
dense ferry
Why so much JoJo's Reference
wooden wedge
It's popular
sand umbra
the Stardust familiar is literally a stand
hollow shell
(according to the devs it is purely coincidence and is not a JoJo reference)
wooden wedge
It's not byeah
subtle oracle
Coincidence? Hard to believe byeah
ancient crow
the description of the stardust enchantment literally talks about "the power of the stand"
its not an accident lmao
left crest
it may be coincidence in vanilla but it sure isnt in fargos
ancient crow
^
left crest
exactly
the time stop literally has the jojo time stop sound lmao
anyway this is #suggestions-discussion we should move or stop lol
upbeat scroll
i want to do a stardust enchantment playthrough now because of that, i only use the guardian to fight bosses (as well as other minions)
maybe there could be another time stop thing in calamity though, that would be cool
soft fern
tired haven
Gotta love how 300iq weps get 300iq suggestions
ashen warren
tbh new vivid doesnt even require that much iq to use
i would say old vivid requires 140+iq new one 120+ is enough to use it properly
tired haven
if we go that deep in serious department, iq has barely nothing to do with being able to use either vivid efficiently
ashen warren
exactly lole
only the first person to figure out who to use it efficiently has to be >100iq
then he can spread the worlddd
difficulty is subjective byeah
suggestion all the way in the last sentence
indigo fog
i mean they already have a set bonus
ashen warren
mining speed
indigo fog
which is extra mining speed yeah
I don't think it's necessary for them to have a combat focused set bonus, mining speed is good enough
tepid root
indigo fog
@flint wasp Suggestions for specific items are a Don't
subtle oracle
Specific item sugg? This time and day
sterile moon
they are asking to add 2 specific items in one suggestion, and by the way it sounds the material they are suggesting is souly used for this one item
flint wasp
I’m new, why can’t I post it in the suggestions channel?
sterile moon
you can, just read the pins
subtle oracle
Read the pins, the rules are there
frail mantle
specific item suggestions are unfortunately not allowed in this server
flint wasp
Are they allowed anywhere
indigo fog
not really
frail mantle
not in this server, but probably in others for other mods
flint wasp
Well then I’ve got no purpose to be here, goodbye
fervent citrus
oof
vast stirrup
lmao
cloud surge
Lol what
gusty geode
subtle oracle
I guess Azurez really wants "magic cards" to become an existing item in-game
ashen warren
bro specific item suggestions arent allowed
ashen warren
o
pulsar jay
🤦♂️
so you can't bloat the suggestions channel with useless things that will never get in
so you don't have any reason to be here?
what?
Garuntee the first 5 abyss shadow chests
contain one of the 5 class abyss weapons each
I was trying to get the herring staff only to find a bunch of balls of fugu and some diving gear materials. I ended up in layer 2 (a place you shouldn't even be in prehm because the enemies one shot you), and none of them contain what i needed either. I can't mine voidstone and as a result literally cannot get any more chests. No herring staff. I have zero idea how I'm possibly going to have a chance at beating slime god without it.
frail mantle
he knows
pulsar jay
bitter drift
xD welp here are your reasons
ashen warren
im guessing that will greatly fuck up the code
ashen warren
lol
hollow idol
because everyone forgets "layer 1" is a layer
indigo fog
and I think having the weapons be obtainable through abyss crates may be an easier solution to this issue
glossy palm
Just a small suggestion, Alchemist Mod has a legendary weapon that’s just a bottle that shoots out random magic attacks on contact- (forgot its name), but it’s considered a throwing weapon- I figured it would fit the fact that it’s basically a rogue weapon and wanted to ask if it could be changed.
frail mantle
throwing weapons won't be changed into rogue weapons
glossy palm
Throwing weapons to me are just like knives and stuff that can be used up all the way and not be thrown forever
tired haven
Check out Don't document in pins for that
tired haven
👌
glossy palm
also I did this is the wrong channel anyways, so it didn’t matter lol
this is discussion
frail mantle
nah it's okay, you're encouraged to post your suggestions here first for feedback
tired haven
^ it's always worth to post it there beforehand
frail mantle
yea
ashen warren
Is it just me or is the new Sulphurous Sea worldgen lacking in water
tired haven
It always was like that; you may just be paying more attention due to new worldgen, hence going to the sea earlier
ashen warren
Well it seems more noticeable here. I always knew the sea was slightly lower than it should be, but now it seems as if the water doesn’t even come above the hole.
tired haven
Meh
Check much older bug reports, you'd find empty seas too
frail mantle
isn't mouthwash sea and the abyss empty when the world is first generated
tired haven
(hell, one of my videos from year ago features the same empty sea)
ashen warren
Not if world gen previewer is anything to go by
So is that just a constant issue that’ll just happen from time to time?
tired haven
Yes, and there even is water generation from sand solely to prevent it being continuous issue
ashen warren
Calamity and water really don’t get along
ashen warren
Terraria Calamity Mod
gray nebula
poggers
keen nebula
Hidden, Concealed, Invisible
Accessory prefixes that add to rogue Stealth +1, +2, and +3 respectively, and reduce spawn rates by 2%, 4%, and 6% respectively
karmic stone
reduce spawn rates
30/36/42% less spawn rates with full invisible sounds cringe
Also I dunno how to feel about presenting them with names
ashen warren
I'd prefer prefixes that make it regen faster
gray nebula
people complain about crystyl crusher being too destructive so it gets a charge time and controllable laser and then people complain about it not being destructive enough
epic
versed mica
The current iteration is much better in general than the last one
tired haven
The people seem to dislike in any direction almost equally
Reminds me of all those "give scal hitcap back"
wooden wedge
I thought the ore sets already had set bonuses
wooden wedge
The ore set bonuses are for mining
radiant meadow
they give mining bonuses
wooden wedge
Platinum is the only combat one
Because the gold variant has a stronger mining bonus
And 35% is fucking powerful
unkempt bolt
how much mining would you need to do if you can afford the monstrous amount of bars required for the ore armors
radiant meadow
copper, iron, silver, and gold have stronger mining bonuses than their counterparts
wooden wedge
Go to the planetoids
radiant meadow
planetoids harbor a ton of ore, ye
wooden wedge
And spelunker pots exist too
unkempt bolt
fair enough, but it’s still 40-something bars for a set
wooden wedge
I mean a full planetiod has around enough for a full set
tired haven
4 so 360
gray nebula
the summoning item for provi doesn't change name tho
wooden wedge
The tooltip is what changes
The whole "not consumable" part
And that's a don't
Iirc
karmic stone
Profaned Core and Profaned Core exist and there's been no problems with those yea
wooden wedge
@naive cape
naive cape
YE
hexed ore
You mean master mode
wooden wedge
Read what I said
naive cape
yes ;-;
gray nebula
why would we add yet another harder mode
naive cape
I meant like after a while (if yall want to)
gray nebula
and master mode is just buffed stats
revengeance it buffed stars and new epic attacks
naive cape
...yea true...
wooden wedge
Wait bruh
2 Suggs in one @ashen warren
hopefully that's the right bat
Or, fuck I misread
But the crystal crusher is basically the same as the old one though
The left and right click were swapped and the laser got controllable
The right click is bugged though iirc
wary canyon
pretty sure new modes is a don’t @naive cape
karmic stone
The sugg is already dead
unkempt bolt
the description is kinda what avoids confusion
upbeat scroll
@pulsar jay you gotta provide a reason more than just "I can't defeat slime god without it" it has to apply to everyone, that's prolly why your suggestion still has the exclamation mark on it
potent veldt
Ngl, I'm fine with all of these Destroyer suggestions
He feels like there wasn't much thought put into him
Which I don't blame the devs for, personally; you can only come up with so many ideas for worm bosses, after all
upbeat scroll
he was the easiest boss, and then he goes to the hardest pre-plantera boss fight 
makes sense
sand umbra
you can only come up with so many ideas for worm bosses, after all
and almost all of those ideas really only ever get taken at surface value
you can e.g. have the Eater of Worlds intentionally split and do a group rush attack like that, and then have it do its best to form back together into one worm afterwards
or have Destroyer go on a "bombing run" which puts him above the player and makes him fire a bunch of lasers downward in groups, with holes to allow dodging
or do AS' circle attack which could really be expanded upon more in higher difficulties but I digress
tired haven
That brings up a question though: how much seizures you'll get in process of coding that for a worm?
sand umbra
or have Astrum Deus take advantage of its lore status as the successor to the god of the stars and use some more astral shit
or have Storm Weaver utilize the lightning it's known for to perform many new attacks perhaps more reminiscent of area denial than specific targeting
or have DoG literally teleport using the fact he can basically jump between dimensions at will
tired haven
(dog literally teleports)
sand umbra
(I am aware of this fact)
tired haven
(why mention it then)
sand umbra
(because it's quite literally just that. he only teleports, there isn't a cool chain ram attack or anything done with it past that)
tired haven
🤔
sand umbra
(you could also go the other way and have his Cosmic Guardians do similar shit, maybe make them return in phase 2 so they aren't just big memes that soak up damage for like a fraction of a second)
(granted, Cosmic Guardians need literally anything to make them not just damage sponges but that's not quite the argument here)
the point is, you can absolutely do a lot more for worm bosses than some folk would like to believe
it's just a matter of whether or not you're willing to commit to it
(now that I think of it this really applies to any boss, but I feel like this needs to be stressed for worm bosses especially because a lot of people from what I've observed seem to think that the idea of what a worm boss does is just rigid in concept entirely and is absolute horror to change)
upbeat scroll
People complain a lot about the Destroyer, so you could just either balance him or do a rework entirely on him.
easiest option would be just to balance him, but yeah.
civic pond
I doubt a rework is necessary
upbeat scroll
I agree with the ideas for the destroyer, make him do like a bombing run, or circle the player, but just a balance change is needed.
wooden wedge
it's been suggested a lot before
hollow idol
not gonna happen
karmic stone
Isn't Yoyo bag like
wooden wedge
don't remember if it's a don't
karmic stone
Absolutely busted on it's own
civic pond
oh no.
wooden wedge
yes, it is
civic pond
thomas screams from far away
hollow idol
Iirc it would be balancing hell
frail mantle
Thomas the Pencil is typing...
wooden wedge
@ thomas do the roar
tired haven
Do the yoyo tricks
frail mantle
byeah Yoyo Bag is a meme and class accessories don't need to be adjusted to suit the needs of every subclass
wooden wedge
how do I even ping this person to say "probably not going to happen"
karmic stone
@turbid kiln Yoyo bag is absolutely busted on it's own, this has been talked about before and it'd be better if it didn't happen
toxic kettle
isn't adding Yoyo bag to Elemental Gauntlet kind of a don't
tired haven
Mfw one can replace a damage accessory with yoyo bag and get significant boost regardless
frail mantle
also iirc Yoyo Bag into EG is a don't
tired haven
Also not a definite one iirc but certainly not welcome suggestion either
Commonly suggested =/= must not be suggested, after all
frail mantle
ah yeah it's not a don't but it's a frequently sugg'd
hollow idol
Put something on there saying it will never be accepted tbh 
turbid kiln
Im not a state guy like all of you but thanks
hollow shell
@ashen warren Sorry I'm late, but could you elaborate on why the current Crystyl Crusher is useless?
tired haven
(frequently suggested can still become "also a "shouldn't"")
turbid kiln
Ha
hollow shell
Also late but @void gyro , we do add set bonuses for those armors already
wooden wedge
I don't really get how the crystyl crusher is useless, all that happened is that the left/right clicks got swapped and that the laser is controllable
I'm not counting in the bug though
void gyro
hollow shell
(let's see if this works)
[[Vanilla changes#Armors]]
hollow shell
(can't tell)
but yeah they're listed on this page
Mining speed boosts
ah wait it's [[Vanilla changes#Armor]]
red stormBOT
hollow shell
That's better.
wooden wedge
isn't that the same?
hollow shell
plural
tepid root
Thomas kills all
sand umbra
/infernal screaming
fervent citrus
when the train goes along the tracks, sounding its almighty horn
cursed thomas theme intensifies
zealous ridge
Give Twisting Nether and Armored Shell a respective potion for their tiers to give some more post-moon lord potion variety!
Although not completely necessary, I think this would help give players more options in the potion department at a tier with really only a utility-based potion to use. The potion effects can be determined by the devs, but generally I feel that twisting nether and armored shell potions should be offensive and defensive-leaning potions respectively, to compliment the utility of the dark plasma potion.
Hi hello how does this sound aa aaa
is it broad enough?
hollow shell
Yeah that is broad enough
zealous ridge
are there any plans that might be conflicting?
yes or no question btw don't spoil anything
unkempt bolt
i think an issue that could arise is that if they were useful in combat scenarios, which occur far more often than you needing a magnet, you'd be tempted to farm them for these materials which only drop 2 or 3 at a time, which would be annoying at their tier, and a bit boring afterwards
unkempt bolt
though i suppose that varies per person based on how many potions they actually use
zealous ridge
well, to be fair
unkempt bolt
i do like the suggestion though
zealous ridge
ceaseless hunger gives you 4 per material
unkempt bolt
ah good point
zealous ridge
byeah, i see the point
hollow shell
Doesn't seem like we have potion plans for those materials
zealous ridge
unkempt bolt
if it was multiple per material, that could actually be cool
zealous ridge
sounds good to post then?
hollow shell
Sure
unkempt bolt
i'd say so
sand umbra
i think an issue that could arise is that if they were useful in combat scenarios, which occur far more often than you needing a magnet, you'd be tempted to farm them for these materials which only drop 2 or 3 at a time, which would be annoying at their tier, and a bit boring afterwards
and people wonder why it's important that the Sentinels get their own Treasure Bags
ashen warren
am I the only one that feels like sunken sea could have a late hardmode use
keen nebula
you end up farming CV anyways and with a ton of dark plasma if you want arcanum of the void
which you probably do because astral arcanum is pretty good
sand umbra
Astral Arcanum isn't too impressive
lemme remind you that Astral Bulwark GSI immune died with the introduction of the Astral Infection debuff
and that was where Astral Arcanum got GSI immune from
tired haven
am I the only one that feels like sunken sea could have a late hardmode use
It just should get more use in general ig
There are only 2 niches so far
zealous ridge
problem is it really has no connection to anything in particular past early hardmode
kind of
i mean, maybe something related to amidas' home
because we don't really see any actual... houses down there
brittle nexus
anyone want to mention serpentine 
"early hm weapon" deals 1 damage to almost everything because defense
zealous ridge
imagine seeing that everyone wants serpentine to be better but then they add ||an item that is literally better than it in like the tier above||(spoiler)
hollow shell
@opal mantle Add a reason
small talon
use shift + space to go down a line in one message
hollow shell
shift + enter*
opal mantle
k
small talon
oh yeah enter sry
opal mantle
another example is brimstone, where i am using the preexisting Grim Dye for the wings and accessories, and i have to use bloodflare armor to fit the aesthetic, when it would be nice to have a dye for any vanity
(or demonshade)
indigo fog
Why was the star removed?
radiant meadow
idk
versed mica
bruh
versed mica
oh wait
terse sundial
@vocal wing that doesn't belong in suggestions
hollow shell
Ehh
hollow shell
I'm not sure
I guess excessive lag due to spawning a fuckload of projectiles could be considered a bug
wooden wedge
it seems more like a bug thing than a suggestion
terse sundial
maybe not a bug, but an oversight
wooden wedge
whatever it is
sand umbra
imagine seeing that everyone wants serpentine to be better but then they add ||an item that is literally better than it in like the tier above||
||Slithering Eels is a huge meme because it's obtained from T2 Acid Rain and is just straight better than Serpentine in like every facet||
wooden wedge
not for suggs
terse sundial
thomas the spoiler period ended
radiant meadow
time to use spoilers anyways
hollow shell
(technically it ends in 10 minutes)
terse sundial
it came out on the browser earlier remember
sand umbra
I was using spoilers because the other guy was
hollow shell
yeah but nobody knew about that
sand umbra
but if spoiler period is over...
terse sundial
wooden wedge
is the pin in cala mod talk gone then?
sand umbra
then yeah uh
Slithering Eels moment
terse sundial
yes
sand umbra
anywho yeah
could Slithering Eels be adjusted or moved so it isn't literally just Serpentine but better in every fashion and on very nearly the same tier
like is that a sugg I could make
without everyone yelling at me about the funny pre-Hardmode can't have cool shit are you crazy
hollow shell
But neither of them are pre-HM
sand umbra
well yes
but I was going to follow up with the notion of moving Slithering Eels to T1 Acid Rain
that way it's decently separated from Serpentine and gives Acid Eels a reason to exist during T1
(as currently they only exist to drop coins until T2)
sand umbra
oh yeah Sulphuric Scales exist
radiant meadow
enemy drops were meant to be t2
radiant meadow
because that is the design choice we chose
sand umbra
brittle nexus
yea, 1st tier is craftable, 2nd is dropped, 3rd is from duke
radiant meadow
tier 2 also has some crafts
sand umbra
such as Bonebreaker
radiant meadow
because for awhile, like roughly 10 days before the update was released
sand umbra
which I will personally bitchslap the creator of
radiant meadow
tier 2 had nothing
brittle nexus
close enough
radiant meadow
bruh, you can't bitchslap me
sand umbra
shiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
radiant meadow
if it makes you feel better, when I first compiled it. it accidentally did this :)
https://gyazo.com/fc1d4120da750775f02c0a535ba2d691
sand umbra
amazing
hollow shell
The method could be more convenient (MUCH more convenient. Current way is trash)
but you definitely should acknowledge the Evil Island in your suggestion
worn kraken
do cysts spawn on the evil island?
hollow shell
... kinda, I think
yeah
And if the island is in Space then the chance goes way down and may even be zero
frail mantle
but you can also take the blocks from the island and place them on the surface to spread it further
small talon
you can take the corrupted / crimson sand blocks down to the surface layer and they can spawn on that ground there
the cysts cannont naturally spawn in space no
brittle nexus
actually, cysts don't spawn on the sand blocks, I found that one out the hard way
they do spawn on demonite or crimtane ore though
wooden wedge
what's the point of the evil island being sandstone and hardened sandstone blocks?
worn kraken
ok i reworked the suggestion
hollow shell
I think because the blocks themselves count as evil biome, unlike grass which is only the surface of the blocks (doesn't work well in groups)
and the evil stones have high mining reqs for pre-HM
brittle nexus
oh also
hollow shell
so sand was a good middle ground I guess
brittle nexus
sand doesn't spread crim/corrup in prehm
hollow shell
"Since there are a lot of workarounds to my previous suggestion,"
Don't do that
brittle nexus
and there is lots of ore, so should be ok
hollow shell
Suggs should be able to stand on their own and anybody who sees the sugg for the first time after this point will have no idea what you're talking about
worn kraken
ok
gray nebula
you can just edit your original suggestion
worn kraken
ok, i will keep that in mind if i ever make a new suggestion
hollow shell
Thank you 👍
zealous ridge
alright, it uh... looks like the spoiler period is over?
gray nebula
what does that mean
zealous ridge
also ye im confused by the most recent sugg
vocal wing
zealous ridge
you mean the four fragment colors?
hollow shell
You could make that clearer
vocal wing
Sorry English isn't my first language
zealous ridge
a better way to say it would be "...should split along the 4 arms of the disc rather than its current function"
how does that sound?
i think it clarifies better what you're describing
vocal wing
Yeah it sound better
gray nebula
why tho
hollow shell
The reason could also be expanded, considering the primary purpose of your sugg is to reduce the immense lag caused by current
zealous ridge
reduce lag, yeah
gray nebula
just ask to make ele disk explode into less disks then
zealous ridge
okay but does it really matter how its phrased
i mean, the same message is portrayed
and it isn't even that long of a suggestion
although i agree reasoning could be expanded
making more logical sense is a weak argument
but i think the amount of projectiles could be toned down and or worked into something a little more interesting
like, instead of just splitting maybe it could split into discs that represent each element it's made of
anyways
white, i suggest you edit or rewrite the suggestion based on feedback
hollow shell
^ please do, White
zealous ridge
otherwise it may be deleted to remove unnecessary bloat from the channel
the suggestion at it's core is fine, it just needs a rewrite i feel
radiant meadow
what?
hollow shell
@vocal wing
zealous ridge
i think it's better
hollow shell
You could establish a lil more that the weapon is currently very laggy
s'kinda worded like the reader already knows about the lag
Like just have a new first reason sentence that's like "Elemental Disc's current function is incredibly laggy due to all of the projectiles it spawns, creating 8 discs at a time which it can do more than once per throw."
vocal wing
Elemental Disc's current function is incredibly laggy due to all of the projectiles it spawns, creating 8 discs at a time which it can do more than once per throw. If spammed for a couple of seconds it will form a cloud of disks that covers a quarter of the screen and make your fps plummet.
When the elemental disk is near an enemy it should split along the 4 arms of the disc rather than its current function. Reason: that's an intuitive way to reduce the lag caused by this weapon.
What do you think about it?
*will make your fps plummet
hollow shell
That is much better
cosmic void
Thank you <3
hollow shell
whoops, sorry
Didn't realize the post was a mistake, White
cosmic void
I'm a slight bit disappointed the Abyss changes weren't put in place, but as the Sulphurous Sea stands it looks a little messy
gray nebula
because worldgen is an absolute pain
wooden wedge
the sulph seas are broke in the new update iirc
hollow shell
It's okay, it's still in this channel up there
gray nebula
not as simple as "just put the thing here" 
cosmic void
I don't imagine it is
The biggest take aways I think should be the Sandstone being as far-reaching as the Sand, the sloped shoreline and the Sandstone cliff faces
zealous ridge
lotta people make fun of calamity for it's "rectangle" biome, so abyss worldgen changes i would not be sad about at all
cosmic void
Some of the curves are just what I think would be ideal, but I think the shape overall needs a change
gray nebula
also there should be more above water areas
cosmic void
Caves beneath the Sulphurous Sand made of Sulphur Sandstone sounds cool
zealous ridge
actually, im reminded of a bug i got in my sp playthrough
gray nebula
if worldgen was easy damf I would really like to see cool cave formations and an island in the middle of the ocean part connected via walls and cool epic stuff
zealous ridge
living trees can spawn in the sulphur sea desert section
what if they were converted to acidwood and like... sulphur leaves?
hollow shell
These suggestions are cool and you did put a lot of effort into it but also it is very specific
At least you provide reasoning for each of your points, for the most part
zealous ridge
eh
i think its fine, because not all the suggestions like... need to be taken
like, the entire content of the suggestion isnt change these exact things
its more, these things could look nice, but change it how you like
at least that's what im getting from it
cosmic void
For the most part, yeah. I'll try to simplify
hollow shell
(I don't wanna come off as favoritist gettin on everybody else's case about being specific, but not this one cuz it's got nice images
I do think this one has very specific ideas)
radiant meadow
the abyss generation didn't happen for a good reason
changing world gen is a massive amount of work and time consuming
and current abyss is already quite good
zealous ridge
current abyss is good? ehhh, its passable
cosmic void
I'm not a fan of the incredibly square bottom of the Abyss, but that's not what I want to get into at the moment
sand umbra
honestly, if writing worldgen wasn't probably a massive pain in the ass
I'd be all for these worldgen revamps
radiant meadow
well, unique world gen is incredibly difficult to pull off
zealous ridge
of course
radiant meadow
so keeping that in mind
zealous ridge
not trying to nullify that
radiant meadow
yes, it's good
zealous ridge
its good by... those standards, i suppose
zealous ridge
i don't mean to sound combative
but yes, its a shit ton of work
i agree on that front
specially since its basically a whole biome that traverses the whole underground
cosmic void
I will not try to say it's easy work, because I don't believe that in the slightest. But with what's there now I don't feel it's interesting or clean enough to leave alone
Talking exclusively about the Sea area, not even talking about the Abyss
zealous ridge
although i feel these changes are a step in the right direction
cosmic void
For sure
radiant meadow
sulphurous sea was already a massive amount of work
zealous ridge
im sure of that
radiant meadow
in fact, finding several bugs on release kinda stressed Dom out a bit that he went on break for a few days
zealous ridge
okay
radiant meadow
asking it to be changed further is asking a lot
and I could argue
that it fits under the don't of changes being massive in scope
zealous ridge
i mean, those restrictions i don't agree with either
but we're not here to argue that
we first have to define what massive even means, and if this would even fall under it
sand umbra
I think this would be much more likely to happen if there were like
radiant meadow
for one, massive usually means very time consuming
sand umbra
ways to write worldgen without wanting to eat the fat die