embrace the wholesome
#suggestions-discussion
teal ibex
vocal grotto
Well
teal ibex
well yeah summons are already difficult to implement for what it's worth LOL
vocal grotto
We wouldn't go ham all at once
hollow shell
Your sugg's good but I'm worried about its scope
teal ibex
scope is the weakness
hollow shell
Grand scale suggestions recently became a Don't
pulsar jay
omg repurposed my suggestion unsubscribing
teal ibex
indeed
pulsar jay
teal ibex
i will happily rewrite or yoink it entirely if you don't think it's suitable, i totally get it
i will find a way to inject this idea one way or another LOL
subtle oracle
The devs desire suggs that are small and insignificant, not a Sugg as momentous as that lmao
teal ibex
haha yes it's the snide remark epic
vocal grotto
I mean, I'm a dev and I'd love to see this work
pulsar jay
i mean if you can give summons their own attack patterns like boss enemies you can probably make a summon heal someone or apply debuffs
hollow shell
I, too, am a dev and would love to see this
teal ibex
i am not a dev and would love to see this.
we have covered all bases.
100% of people like this idea.
pulsar jay
i am an inexperienced moron and would love to see this
subtle oracle
Everyone wants to see this, dev or not... We need summons that have features other than "Deal damage"
subtle oracle
Hec is just another guy on the internet, wydm cool??
hollow shell
Ehh I am unsure
tired haven
Wdym cool
He is hot
teal ibex
đł
subtle oracle
Whoa
teal ibex
c-crabtique???
tired haven
hecbar
teal ibex
LOL
pulsar jay
you two need to collab
subtle oracle
Crab X Hec
pulsar jay
50k special?
vocal grotto
Anyway
tired haven
Jokes aside indeed, but that's for #general-talk mb
hollow shell
Cuz the goal of this sugg is to make summoner class as a whole more interesting
and the generic phrasing, and inclusion of many options, kinda implies a big scale
teal ibex
indeed, but i don't want to usurp the don'ts doc
ok this is going to sound stupid, rover
but what if i said "make some new summoner weapons" instead
would that remotely impact your interpretation?
subtle oracle
What would Fab think of this? He's the one that makes the final judgment
teal ibex
fab is not final judgment on suggestions
hollow shell
As a separate matter I would like if the topic sentence was less avant garde
teal ibex
he has very little input, in fact
vocal wing
@hollow shell I've seen your "approval" of my suggestion about an inventory expander
What do you think about it?
vocal grotto
Yeah, it's a vote
pulsar jay
fab isn't the main scripter
teal ibex
rover pls my writing style 
vocal grotto
He could technically veto but he doesn't really do that
pulsar jay
i always thought about a money trough upgrade that's a consumable
hollow shell
The topic sentence should prolly have the fact that you mean minions with a non-direct-damage focus
Also what I didn't approve of your suggestion
pulsar jay
you eat it and the piggy bank is permanently added to your bag space
teal ibex
you are objectively write i just enjoy the irony of it given the most recent updates having tons
i'll snag the joke tho i see what you mean
teal ibex
"Make some new summoner weapons that do more than damage."
hollow shell
The context
subtle oracle
What would the other "non-direct-damage focus" minions be? Well aside from the usual, will there be a minion that throws stink Pots at enemies 
?
hollow shell
That is indeed true
Inventory space wasn't enough balance on its own
pulsar jay
some lore items are just completely useless
subtle oracle
Like Perf
tulip surge
couldnt a summon that heals you easily be abused
hollow shell
Also "more than damage" still isn't very descriptive
but it is better
pulsar jay
like SG. 2 people might use that
subtle oracle
SG, i fucking have a hatred of that
tepid root
sg lore is good in some cases
queen delta
SG is very useful tho
pulsar jay
if you aren't holding a summon weapon healing will be disabled
teal ibex
i don't think it's pertinent to have an opening line that describes the whole thing
tepid root
its situational, but its pretty good when it is
pulsar jay
it's inventory binding though, so you want it to be something the user would always want to have on hand since you can't just deactivate it like unnequiping an accesory
subtle oracle
EoC lore is not useless, but i can barely see shit with it during daytime
swift wadi
like SG. 2 people might use that
sg lore is good in some cases
SG is very useful tho
We found em boys, we found the 2 people
tepid root
subtle oracle
One of them is a no-hitter
hollow shell
Yeah Hec that's fair I guess
pulsar jay
he nohits with sg lore?
indigo fog
Perforator lore isn't useless either, if you spend the time to actuate crimson blocks you can use Ichor on Slime God which is really strong
also it boosts spawn rates
subtle oracle
probably, id imagine that no-hitters have more knowledge of the mod
subtle oracle
Did i say perfs lore? i meant hive mind nvm
indigo fog
i mean reducing spawn rates can help too
pulsar jay
being safe in the corruption
in hm new corruption enemies spawn, if you're not actively hunting them they may annoy you
boom reduce spawnrates
indigo fog
What lore item is completely useless?
tepid root
ks
indigo fog
slightly increased mobility for a bit of defense is a good trade imo
teal ibex
i'm gonna be a sleepy sheepy soon, is there anything else i could tweak about it rover?
pulsar jay
lore items shouldn't be niche though, you can't activate or deactivate at will, and as a result they should be something you'd want on hand at most times
right?
tepid root
the increased mobility is barely noticeable, neither is the defense reduced, so the ks lore does like nothing basically
indigo fog
not sure about the speed
pulsar jay
it was reduced
teal ibex
i believe ks lore is currently frog leg 2.0, which is a bit of a sleeper effect
it's actually quite good due to its affect on wings and jump speed
subtle oracle
I'd say that Astrum Aureus's lore is useless, 50% jump speed in space???
Why is that necessary
pulsar jay
storm weaver
indigo fog
free mobility
subtle oracle
I beat Storm weaver without it
indigo fog
it has no downsides
pulsar jay
cheater
distant gyro
ks lore is massive on late-game wings if you happen to not have frog leg+
subtle oracle
Cheater???
indigo fog
why wouldn't you use it
subtle oracle
Hadari jokes alot damn
pulsar jay
am i too active in this discord
tepid root
huh, guess i slept on ks lore
hollow shell
I don't feel super comfortable about it but you could prolly post your sugg, Hectique
pulsar jay
i joined like two weeks ago
subtle oracle
All of the non-boss lore items are useless they dont have effects, except the ones that prevent certain enemies from spawning like "the ocean"
hollow shell
Nah don't worry about it Hadari
Krastyan's just not good at subtext
tulip surge
jokes on you i joined yesterday
teal ibex
sure thing, if you change your mind you can feel free to delete it and i won't be offended or anything since i totally get it tows the line a bit
tepid root
hadari you have 18k messages and youve been here for a month what the fuck
pulsar jay
oh
indigo fog
All of the non-boss lore items are useless they dont have effects, except the ones that prevent certain enemies from spawning like "the ocean"
Okay but are we counting those lore items?
pulsar jay
uh-
hollow shell
Time flies when the world's in crisis
subtle oracle
Fuck me, i dont care anymore enough with the lore talk
tulip surge
bet
subtle oracle
me too
pulsar jay
fucking epic
gray nebula
more summoner content :pog:
subtle oracle
Didn't we get enough summoner content this update?? Hec's sugg should have been posted before the new update
gray nebula
MORE
hollow shell
Did you read Hec's sugg, Krast
hollow shell
... that'd be a good thing yes
frail mantle
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vocal wing
It would be super cool to expand on the summoner this way
pulsar jay
KS lore: Summons a temporary baby slime when damaged. Deals classless damage. However your damage is reduced due reliance on your royal subjects
tired haven
The catch with suggestions before update is that the idea may or may not go well with the rest of content implemented
A lot harder to compromise
hollow shell
Honestly I don't think I'd like lore items getting functions that unique
pulsar jay
oh
hollow shell
Kinda blurring the line between them and accessories
ashen warren
with the recent update changing chaotic ore into scoria, the tooltip on the picksaw still says "also capable of mining chaotic ore in the abyss"
pulsar jay
plain stat boosts are kinda boring
frail mantle
yea they're supposed to be bonuses, not free accessories
subtle oracle
The cure cancer part was removed...
hollow shell
This I agree with
subtle oracle
i guess that was a bit jokey
pulsar jay
and why do 3 bosses have the same lore item
hollow shell
But I would rather our plain stat boosting accessories become more unique as a priority
than doing that to lore items
gray nebula
because one is not enough 
frail mantle
though some of them already kinda tickle this line cryo lore
gray nebula
also yes what rover said
pulsar jay
fair
hollow shell
Also yes dead meat man you are right
You can suggest that get fixed and it'll prolly be fixed before it gets delivered
pulsar jay
imagine getting 12 votes in like 3 seconds
indigo fog
Aren't the grab range lore items meant to be your progressive boost to your item grab range
ashen warren
yeah im high as shit and i joiend this server just to say that because it's triggering my ocd
gray nebula
hec has a role that's why hes getting so many votes
ashen warren
bye guys love you
gray nebula
and his suggestion is nice
hollow shell
oh
tired haven
Eh
pulsar jay
why not just have wof give you that one massive boost and make plantera and polter's lore item unique though
gray nebula
because progression iirc
tired haven
Roles being any relevant in getting votes has yet to be proven
gray nebula
indigo fog
iirc fabsol has said before that it's meant to be a progressive boost
pulsar jay
progression
tired haven
Not as major as relevance of suggestions, honestly
indigo fog
tired haven
Like, close to a placebo
pulsar jay
why not just have the wof lore item's grab range scale with something else
tired haven
..what
teal ibex
i think even more relevant than the role color is that people know content creator names
vocal wing
Do the grab range lores stack?
pulsar jay
yes
tired haven
They do
indigo fog
i think so yeah
teal ibex
even if the impact is small it absolutely exists
vocal wing
oh god
pulsar jay
get everyone in the server to subscribe to hectique
subtle oracle
Like make perfs lore have a side effect of causing enemies to explode into damaging tissue or blood, sort of like a AOE corpse explosion... Just a idea tho.
vocal wing
sub to hectique
teal ibex
pulsar jay
what is that
gray nebula
sheep
subtle oracle
a sheep
pulsar jay
oh it's a lamb
vocal wing
It took me a while to see that
pulsar jay
looked like a deformed cloud with a lego man grabbing it
subtle oracle
What, does it look like a silloute of a human wearing a back pack??
vocal wing
Krast me too
subtle oracle
That's what it looks like to me
vocal wing
his legs and his body are his face
subtle oracle
Because you are not looking at it correctly, smh enough this has nothing to do with suggs anyway
vocal wing
the horn is his backpack
subtle oracle
I had a mini sugg like a couple of posts above
upbeat scroll
The more useful ones are the ones that increase item pick up range and oh god the aquatic scourge's oh dear lord how op that is with luiafk
EoC can be useful if you have a piggy bank at hand you like mining at night
dry grotto
pulsar jay
you use the item pickup range ones?
upbeat scroll
Mostly for when I'm farming
pulsar jay
my inventory is full i dont have the rooms with that thing
upbeat scroll
I use Luiafk and Magic Storage
I'm able to recall with unlimited recall, deposit all, and teleport back (also with unlimited recall)
And time for my suggestion; oh boy is it a mouthful
The Sulphurous Sandstone looks great, but could also be used for something. It's quite hard to obtain, and I think a set of armor could be implemented well into it for that very reason. The new Acid Rain event got added, and with it, a new exclusive Calamity set for the Rogue Class, and it would only be fair for other classes to also get an exclusive calamity armor set pre-hardmode. I think that the armor set for the Sulphurous Sandstone should be a Mage set of armor. There is already a Damage set of armor, Meteor, a Max Mana + Crit, Jungle, and the all around sets, Hat + Robe, so why not add a Mana Regen set. To make each piece of the armor, obviously the main ingredient would be Sulphurous Sandstone and/or Sand. Another ingredient that could be used to make this could be the Planty Mush. This could encourage Abyss exploration for mages even more than for just a weapon dropped Post-Skeletron. The Set Bonus could allow faster mana regeneration overall, faster mana regeneration while moving and slight mana regen whilst using active weapons.
Also, If I were to guess for a balance, I'd say around +20/s more mana while standing still, +10/s while moving, and around +3/s while using Magic Weapons.
(and the wiki is wrong, planty mush can be obtained with a copper pickaxe and not only 200% pickaxe power and above)
sinful steeple
Ehh, I feel mage sets around that time are a bit too frequent
Anyway, sulphurous sandstone could be given a different use(such as maybe smooth sulphurous sandstone and maybe being a component in the eventual acidwood furniture?)
upbeat scroll
Could be another use, but I think that the point of the Mage Sets aroudn that time of the game are a risk reward, like Jungle Armor, easy to craft, but you need to put the risk into exploring the Jungle for it.
sinful steeple
The jungle like stops being a risk after like EoC though
upbeat scroll
The Abyss basically never stops being a risk until right before Wall of Flesh/post-Slime God
It could also require Hellstone Bars to craft, making it at least Post EoW/BoC
So it breaks the cycle of early mage equipment
sinful steeple
I dunno, there's not as many melee or ranged sets as there are mage sets
upbeat scroll
I'm counting Hat + Robe all as one
including Magic Hat and the Magic Robe or whatever
sinful steeple
Maybe it could be an all class armour to bridge the gap between victide and aerialite?
Another specifically mage armour at essentially the same point in progression feels unneeded
upbeat scroll
Hmm, that could be something, and it could have special bonuses for the type of armor it is for.
upbeat scroll
True
gray nebula
let's not encourage multiplayer cheese
fiery hamlet
how would that encourage multiplayer cheese lol
gray nebula
wormhole potions help that a lot
fiery hamlet
it's practically no different from having like a stack of wormholes
gray nebula
yes but you have to farm for it
upbeat scroll
There's plenty of that ~6-7 players, but anyways, maybe it could be a ranged armor instead, because really, there is only 1 specific ranged armor, Necro armor.
fiery hamlet
so what's your point
gray nebula
my point is that by giving infinite wormhole potions we would be endorsing multiplayer cheese
fiery hamlet
Isnt the goto option just to disable that kind of stuff during boss fights
gray nebula
if you really can't stand farming for them just cheat them in
gray nebula
you're asking for calamity to add something cheaty just so you can feel better about not cheating directly
sinful steeple
It's not that hard to get wormhole potions anyway, specular fish are a super common catch
upbeat scroll
^ yeah
fiery hamlet
it took 5 hours of fishing to get about 15 stacks
upbeat scroll
15 stacks
upbeat scroll
15 stacks in calamity would be 1485 fish
If you die so much that you need thAT MANY POTIONS, just get good.
fiery hamlet
I had nothing to do and was grinding crates for early hm ores and ended up getting that many specular fish
gray nebula
well that's great
sinful steeple
Then why did you bring it up
fiery hamlet
because who the fuck wants to sit and fish all day
gray nebula
that's more than 1 specular fish a minute
just cheat them in if you don't want to farm for them
upbeat scroll
You obviously wanted to because you were grinding for crates
so don't complain smh
gray nebula
your solution is to add something cheaty to calamity
sinful steeple
Also you'd never need 15 stacks of specular fish, ever
gray nebula
it's not because it's in the mod that it isnt cheaty
upbeat scroll
Also you should only ever farm for fish for wormholes for like 30 minutes, not an hour
sinful steeple
You could fish for like a good 50 and bam you're set
fiery hamlet
You burn through them fairly quickly with large worlds that have lots of players
You cant really use them to cheese bosses any more than a magic mirror either
gray nebula
you can use it to quickly teleport to others that are still figihting after you died
instead of walking all the way back to where the others are
upbeat scroll
That's like the only use for it, for when you die or early game traveling.
If it's that much of a pain, literally just set up teleporters and/or minecarts to get to areas to get to other players quicker.
fiery hamlet
I still see literally no problem
gray nebula
?
upbeat scroll
Uhh, if you die, you die, the respawn timer is longer for a reason
gray nebula
either use teleporters or farm for them or if you really can't be bothered just cheat them in instead of asking calamity devs to add your cheaty infinite wormhole potions 
(because we arent adding that)
pulsar jay
how is it cheaty
gray nebula
use luiAFK it has infinite potions
fiery hamlet
It isnt any more cheaty than just having a ton of wormholes lmao
upbeat scroll
bruh
pulsar jay
"you have to work for the wormholes"
gray nebula
well give yourself a ton of wormholes with hero's mod then
pulsar jay
you have to work for halibut canon
gray nebula
pulsar jay
it breaks your playthrough
fiery hamlet
It's like saying the burden breaker should be nerfed
pulsar jay
why not just make the infinite wormhole thing hard to obtain
gray nebula
what
no just don't make it at all
like oh god
just give yourself a ton of wormholes if you don't want to farm for them
it's that easy
upbeat scroll
@fiery hamlet You are clearly not getting the point. Infinite wormholes are cheaty as hell. Wormholes are meant to be used carefully (either to get back to a boss fight or to travel to friends faster). This is why they require work to obtain and aren't given out like candy (or in your case infinite). Having infinite of these would break progression in a way, as Calamity Mod basically makes Exploration and Mining a priority, and being able to teleport to anybody freely would ruin this aspect a lot, not to mention you are using it as a crutch because you can not not die.
fiery hamlet
Tbh it just sounds like you're hating on the idea for the sake of hating on it
gray nebula
stop changing the subject
gray nebula
why won't you just give yourself wormholes using cheat sheet?
upbeat scroll
can not not
pulsar jay
you just get back to the fight fast
dry latch
you don't even need wormholes for that, just put a bed above the arena
upbeat scroll
^
pulsar jay
why did you even word it like that
gray nebula
shlog you're really going to avoid the question this much?
upbeat scroll
He makes a big deal about it and then dips when we ask him why he changed the subject-
fiery hamlet
Because that is blatant cheating and is a fuckin stupid solution
upbeat scroll
same is with infinite potions
gray nebula
why would an infinite wormhole potion not be considered as cheating tho, it's litterally the same as giving yourself a lot of potions
fiery hamlet
That answer was in regard to the infinite pots
upbeat scroll
luiafk balances it a bit because you have to work for the potion, as you have to work for a full stack to craft the infinite version
gray nebula
it's not because it's part of calamity that it isnt cheating
sinful steeple
Reminder that suggestions are supposed to be to benefit the mod, not benefit a specific person
upbeat scroll
^
gray nebula
I remember the same argument
sinful steeple
Is the mod really missing something without an infinite wormhole potion? Not really
fiery hamlet
It would benefit playthroughs with many players
upbeat scroll
^ L U I A F K
If you are too lazy to download another mod, why are you even playing-
gray nebula
you're suggesting "add a cheaty potion to the mod so I don't feel bad for directly cheating"
it's fine if you cheat, it's a sandbox game
dry latch
but doesn't adding more mods increase the chance for stuff breaking? I play skyrim
upbeat scroll
luiafk doesn't do anything except add stuff to make the game faster
it wouldn't do anything to world gen
or anything else, only items that make the game a bit faster
But anyways, let's get back to not talking about the infinite wormholes
Because that just clogged chat up from actual suggestions needing feedback
gray nebula
rover from animal crossing pls help
upbeat scroll
xd
Would Sulph Sandstone Armor feel natural as a ranger exclusive armor pre-skeletron?
fiery hamlet
can literally afk farm blood moons for infinite of any potion but aite thanks
sinful steeple
Idea: make passive entities targetable using a summon weapon, causing minions to attack the entity despite it being passive. This makes it easier to fight enemies such as ghost bells or boss summons as pure summoner
Ranger sulph sandstone armour sounds good to me
upbeat scroll
f o s s i l
gray nebula
thats fossil armor
sandstone in vanilla is utterly useless
it's just a decoration block
same goes for sulphurous sandstone
corroded fossil is a way more obvious option that's just waiting for someone to suggest an armor for it
upbeat scroll
Oh yeah-
pulsar jay
i hate the abyss and the sulph sea for that
thrashers are clearly trying to fucking kill you
summons do literally nothing to help
gray nebula
just ask for an active summoner weapon
pulsar jay
they aren't passive they're trying to kill you for real they're just not angry
gray nebula
like idk a bomb type thing that deals weak summon damage
dry latch
World armor:
- hybrid/classless/ per helm maybe
- you start off with dirt armor> which is a material for stone armor> which is a material for sand > etc (basically just keep adding new materials together with progression)
- basically armor that you can upgrade till endgame
- you get different boosts depending on what material you add. (like lava protection when you add obsidian)
opal barn
what is this minecraft tier idea
dry latch
what's Terraria without Terra armor
opal barn
Where do you get Terra blocks
gray nebula
changing the targeting mechanic would be pretty hard to do, so instead, I was suggesting an active weapon that deals summon damage, its only utility being to anger passive ennemies, letting you attack them
sinful steeple
Maybe but it'd need to be obtainable around the start of the game
sinful steeple
Makes me kinda think of the taunt ball from M&L: DT
upbeat scroll
Could Sulph Sandstone also be used in the recipe for the Corroded Fossil armor? (like how Sulph Sand is used in the Sulph armor)
gray nebula
I mean if you want but it's just an irrelevant detail 
upbeat scroll
L
gray nebula
i don't see the need to force an use to sulph sandstone
dry latch
why not just allow summoners to target anything? even passive targets? it's quite a pain waiting for ??? to die with the lunic eye
upbeat scroll
Eh
dry latch
that way we can use the target dummies too. (cuz super is broken in multiplayer)
gray nebula
because hat would be hard to code
like that would break a lot of stuff
not worth it
also hueh a corroded fossil set was planned a long time ago
(got renamed to corroded fossil)
sinful steeple
Is it okay if I suggest the weapon idea even though you thought of it?
gray nebula
yeah
sinful steeple
Thanks
upbeat scroll
Just having corroded fossils in the recipe would be a bit easy, so what should be in the recipe too? I was thinking Planty Mush and maybe Acidwood.
gray nebula
planty mush was part of the recipe of the original cambrian armor lole
upbeat scroll
o h n e a t
s o a y e s
So about the rule about specifics, how specific can it be?
gray nebula
no values, no specific ideas, no names
"corroded plates armor
50 defense
set bonus : gain a 30% damage boost when in water and summon irradiated slimes on ennemy kills" would be too specific
upbeat scroll
I'm currently listing where corroded fossils can spawn, pickaxe power needed to mine it, the crafting recipe, and what class of armor it's for.
no specifc values for the recipes^
gray nebula
||dropped by acid rain t2 ennemies||
gray nebula
yes
upbeat scroll
small brain
gray nebula
no need for a new ore like thing that would only get used for a single armor set
upbeat scroll
yeah, oof
normal thorn
||i got one fossil during whole event||
gray nebula
also macaroni you might want to precise that the weapon you're suggesting is more an utility tool than an actualy weapon
dry latch
aren't classless weapons basically utility tools tho?
gray nebula
and maybe replace "working like any other class" by "that can be used to directly deal damage to ennemies"
@sinful steeple
upbeat scroll
Corroded Fossil Armor
Corroded Fossils, found in the T2 of the Acid Rain event, could be crafted with Planty Mush to make Corroded Fossil Armor. The Corroded Fossil Armor would be a Ranger exclusive set, being the 2nd set from the Acid Rain event. This set can be grinded for as an alternative for Rangers that are struggling with bosses and don't want to waste Chlorophyte for Shroomite making Chlorophyte Armor, which is actually a surprising hurdle for most Calamity Mod Rangers. Hallowed Armor has slightly higher defense in exchange for less offense. The Daedalous armor provides more bonuses for more parts of the set you have, including Wings and Shield. Corroded Fossil Armor can be an alternative to Daedalous in that it can provide more Defense/Bonuses than Daedalous does as a base armor set, which saves on Accessory Slots that can be used for Accessories that increase Ranged capabilities.
That's simple, vague, and quick to the point
gray nebula
add a reason tho
dry latch
the aestheticus (and its friends) can do that job just fine. and an item whose sole purpose is to aggro mobs won't see much use
unless it does debuffs too, which is basically just another classless weapon
upbeat scroll
Updated it
sinful steeple
I feel summoner should be able to stand on its own without the use of classless weapons
gray nebula
^
sinful steeple
Other classes are able to, why shouldn't summoner?
upbeat scroll
"This set can be grinded for as an alternative for Rangers that are struggling with bosses and don't want to waste Chlorophyte for Shroomite making Chlorophyte Armor, which is actually a surprising hurdle for most Calamity Mod Rangers."
zenith hazel
then they can use reaver armor instead
upbeat scroll
Oh yeah, hmm
Reaver armor...
Shroomite is obtained post Plantera, same for Reaver
gray nebula
also you should probably add a reason why it would be different from cryonic/hallowed armor
dry latch
why not just make classless weapons summoner weapons? it's not like the other classes actually use them
gray nebula
because they clearly aren't summoner weapons, and because other classes actually use them
because they clearly aren't summoner weapons, and because other classes actually use them
dry latch
(this is from the pov of someone who has only been playing for a week. please be patient. I am dumb)
how would you define a summoner weapon then? something that summons?
dry latch
how would the aggro weapon work with summons? they don't auto target passive mobs
gray nebula
or "aura" summons, that summon something that's fixed to you
sinful steeple
The summons will attack things you've attacked
gray nebula
there's also some special summoner weapons that are more active like borealis bomber, igneous exaltation, but they still summon stuff
sinful steeple
The aggro weapon would make the enemies vulnerable to the summons
gray nebula
early game exaltation like weapon iirc
opal barn
magic weapons summon magic projectiles :3head:
dry latch
but those are basically just mage weapons that deal summoner damage
dry latch
haven't seen that one yet tbh, so I'll take your word on it
gray nebula
upbeat scroll
"Hallowed Armor has slightly higher defense in exchange for less offense. Corroded Fossil Armor would provide more defense/bonuses than base Daedalous, saving on Accessory Slots."
gray nebula
no need to describe everything
upbeat scroll
a
gray nebula
just say "a more tank focused armor"
upbeat scroll
Cut a sentence out because it's not really needed lol
gray nebula
in exchange for lower dps
gray nebula
you're still describing every other armor
gray nebula
"Add a corroded fossil armor, possibly for the ranger class :
Ranger lacks options around this tier of the game (it doesnt really but thats besides the point), and corroded fossils don't craft into a lot of stuff. This would flesh out the corroded fossils more and help rangers at this stage of the game. To make it stand out from the other armors around this tier, it could be more focused around tankiness at the cost of damage"
upbeat scroll
oh
gray nebula
but yes ranger doesnt rally lack options
you have daedalus, hallowed, titanium/adamantite and chloro
gray nebula
except there isn't any summoner/rogue chloro, adamantite/titanium or hallowed helmets
but alright
upbeat scroll
terms of exclusive armor-
gray nebula
they have the most unique options
upbeat scroll
yeah
gray nebula
but that doesn't matter
they get more unique armors because they barely have any in the base game
upbeat scroll
yeah
gray nebula
iirc rogue needs a pre boss hardmode set
gray nebula
br
gray nebula
you could make it an acidwood/sandstone /early hm material armor
dry latch
suggestion:
add a new set of wings for summoner. there isn't any early/mid hardmode summoner wings. the earliest is spooky lol. the closest alternative is ataxia, but that's just an overall increase in damage instead of being summoner centric. maybe forbidden wings? in contrast to frost wings?
gray nebula
there aren't any wings for other classes tho
and that has already been suggested and denied iirc
upbeat scroll
Are you talking abotu wings for class armors?
dry latch
mage got butterfly, ranger got frozen, melee got flame
upbeat scroll
frozen got ranged and melee*
upbeat scroll
rogue doesn't get much love pre-boss in hardmode
gray nebula
do leaf/steampunker wings have any special effect
upbeat scroll
lemme check
dry latch
ranger got bone wings too
gray nebula
if so you could suggest to give them summoner /rogue buffs
upbeat scroll
summoner
for
leaf
gives dryad's blessing while wearing tiki armor
and tiki is a summoner armor
tepid root
which is post plant like spooky
gray nebula
brub
dry latch
it's for summoner armor ye, but the wings don't really benefit them that much
gray nebula
make it non class neutral then
upbeat scroll
which armor would fit the steampunk wings tho?
gray nebula
rogue and summoner
upbeat scroll
oh, also for the rogue armor pre-boss in hm, what about acid wood, sulph sand (or sulph sandstone), souls of night, and cursed flames?
dry latch
what about crimson worlds?
upbeat scroll
ichor
gray nebula
what
upbeat scroll
or just souls of night
gray nebula
steampunker is pre boss in harmode
upbeat scroll
which would sound better?
gray nebula
just souls of night
dry latch
oh riiight. I just keep forgetting about it cuz I used to skip straight to frozen
upbeat scroll
Steampunker WIngs are better than Frozen tho-
dry latch
meant for bonuses
upbeat scroll
ah
steampunker wings give 10 defense, +10% movement speed, 5% damage and crit for all classes
dry latch
wait it does? I've been blind all this time
upbeat scroll
if you want class specifc for summoner, just do forbidden wings
dry latch
dry latch
I'm gonna go add it then
upbeat scroll
Also, I'm thinking, should it require a few hm bars or no?
dry latch
well frozen and flames only need the feathers and souls so prolly not
upbeat scroll
because i mean, it would seem as a quick and easy upgrade to any of the pre hm rogue armors
oh no no no i was talking about the rogue armor suggestion-
i'm thinking it might require some Mythril at least
dry latch
well summoners got the spider armor, so I guess it should be fine. depends on how good it'll be tho
upbeat scroll
spider and forbidden if wanted
rogues have actually nothing
Add in a new exclusive Rogue armor available Pre-Boss in Hardmode
Rogues don't have any set of armor Pre-Boss in Hardmode, making this first step of Hardmode incredibly difficult for them. The armor could require Souls of Night, Mythril/Orichalcum Bars, Sulphurous Sandstone, or Planty Mush in it, encouraging more exploration of the new Sulphurous Sea and Abyss. It could have two different types of the set, one that favors defense, and one that favors offense.
dry latch
doesn't that go against the "no specific items" rule?
upbeat scroll
I'm following god's format of what it should be
i hope it didn't go too specific at the end with the two types of armors
dry latch
no values, no specific ideas, no names
prolly remove the name part
upbeat scroll
I did already
ashen warren
there is no name
digital saddle
I think that rule is more about people who say "ADD THIS ITEM I INVENTED" rather than "add an item here for x reason"
At least that's how I interpret it
ashen warren
early hm rogue armour suggestions date back to when sis's were still allowed
upbeat scroll
1 in the past month
ashen warren
hell they date back to when throwing was still the class
I'm talking past year or so
dry latch
what about an item that'd allow the young siren to breathe on the surface? or just put her in a bubble like the jellyfish. I just feel so bad watching her flop around until I get strong enough to beat the siren
upbeat scroll
who doesn't like floppy fish? :>
dry latch
you monster
gray nebula
leviathan lore item
undone barn
gray nebula
yes
terse sundial
@digital saddle two things
- Custom prefixes are incredibly difficult to balance and to get to work properly
- you listed minion movement speed twice
digital saddle
minions can feel kind of sluggish tbh
digital saddle
sea stars vs eoc takes FOREVER
upbeat scroll
upbeat scroll
Use Wulfrum then
digital saddle
i feel like some kind of button to rally your minions would help summoner feel more organic to play
meaning: recall all minions to your location
upbeat scroll
would probably need to be a vanilla added feature, i don't think mods could add that
but what do i know, i don't mod
terse sundial
@pure sluice suggestions involving dedicated content aren't allowed unless you ask permission from the dedicatee first
the troublemaker is Ben/Termi's pet
pure sluice
oh sorry
hollow idol
Can we put that somewhere because its no where in pins or sug donts iirc
terse sundial
yes
pure sluice
it has been erased from existance
hollow idol
people wouldnt know beforehand that thats a rule since its nowhere
digital saddle
a lot of bosses require multiple kills to make full armor set
digital saddle
you can refight with new weapons and it should be easier
i can understand the frustration though
toxic kettle
I just skipped Tarragon armor because Provi was such a pain
didn't wanna go down the rabbit hole again
sand umbra
what you can do is use Bloodstone to make new weapons
and then save your Geodes for Tarra
unreal viper
Just because it's meant to be like that, doesn't mean that being forced to refight providence is a good thing.
sand umbra
I mean
you'll have to fight her a second time at some point anyway
since she has differing drops in Hallow v. in Hell
(well, one pair of differing drops, but y'know)
raw mulch
you only have to fight her twice if you are a warrior
hollow idol
âa lot of bosses need multiple kill for full armorâ
SG drops enough
EoW and BoC usually drops enough
and most other bosses dont have dedicated armor
raw mulch
because the shield is useless for other builds
unreal viper
Not nessesarily, as many people prefer to use tracers over wings.
quiet abyss
Well, putting the armor at right just after ML wouldn't really make sense either.
Even if it's nerfed to be in line with the lunar armors, that'd leave a providence-sized gap inbetween the tiers of armor.
That is, lunar armors + tarragon (post-ML) -> bloodflare + omega blue (post-polterghast)
I think it'd be better to just reduce the amount of divine geodes required, not remove.
unreal viper
But the ore doesn't spawn until after beating providence.
quiet abyss
...Ah, missed that details, whoops.
unreal viper
Reducing the amount of divine geodes would also solve the issue.
hollow idol
quiet abyss
Still though, yeah, reducing the amount required for the armor would also works.
Maybe put it as an alternative to the removal?
@umbral tendon
umbral tendon
I really just want the grind to be reduced, so reducing the amount would be fine
quiet abyss
đ Ya can edit the sugg and put that as an alternative then.
ashen warren
oh
toxic kettle
maybe you could put the number of required Divine Geodes within range of how many you get from Provi, so it's not guaranteed that you only have to kill her once, but it's possible. Just to find some kind of compromise between the "Grinding Provi is painful" and "Grinding is part of the game"
hollow shell
@ashen warren Crystyl Crusher's slow right-click direct mining speed is a bug
twas reported in #bugs-read-pins and the devs (Ben) have no idea why it's slower than Blossom
(also it concerns me that your sugg doesn't mention the direct right-click and kinda implies that the left-click is the only function)
hollow shell
Thanks
radiant meadow
you only have to kill polter once now, right?
since ruinous soul amt was increased
zealous ridge
it really takes away from the initial kill when you have to fight the boss several times before getting everything you need
and, uh... what does polt have to do with this?
radiant meadow
you used to have to kill polter multiple times for bloodflare armor
zealous ridge
are you referring to the recent polt change where he drops more runious souls?
radiant meadow
it's just a similar scenario
radiant meadow
add more divine geode weapons 
zealous ridge
which is why im a big advocate for adding new enemy groups that drop the respective material post-boss
although, i understand that's a lot of effort so it wont happen overnight
hollow shell
@upbeat scroll A majority of your suggestion is 'maybes' about the new armor's function/obtaining, which isn't really needed.
You could keep the Sulph/Mush option if you do wanna emphasize going back to the sea/abyss, but the Souls of Night and Mythril/Orichalcum Bars are just redundant, cuz the sugg already inherently includes its tier.
The "maybes" about its function are not needed, unless you want to include why having both of those options would be good for rogues in early Hardmode
radiant meadow
isn't there already a "pre hardmode boss" set already planned?
for rogue
just uhhh scream at someone to sheet it
hollow shell
Afaik no?
zealous ridge
we all know how fun armor sheeting is 
hollow shell
Ah, yeah that
(It's not in the Classes Trello so I missed it)
upbeat scroll
I was just being vague to not trigger the specific rules
zealous ridge
im surprised it hasn't gotten attention earlier, with all the suggestions ever since rogue was like... added
radiant meadow
sheeting armor is a bruh moment
zealous ridge
ye, usually you should try to make your suggestions shorter and to the point to get more dev approval
upbeat scroll
also yeah i'll remove the mythril/orichalcum
i'm keeping the souls of night because it would only make sense as rogues have stealth and the night is dark
hollow shell
Alright, as long as you include that reason in the suggestion
charred gyro
inside of bossfights rod of discord stays the same outside of bossfights it goes back to normal
hollow shell
That's been suggested and delivered before
You could suggest it again, though
it'd support the original
charred gyro
whats the point of the nerf outside of bossfights
i like to run my houses without doors and tp when im mining and not its just sloooow
hollow shell
Some people said it was a pretty overpowered travel option as well
zealous ridge
ye, RoD is always going to be tricky balance-wise
it seems no one will be satisfied
charred gyro
i think the 10 second no tp in bossfights is fair
everywhere else its just a quality of life item for me
the quality of my life now is bad
zealous ridge
hollow shell
low quality life
zealous ridge
hot take - add a new teleporting travel option that isn't usable in boss fights but can be used relatively freely outside of fights 
hollow shell
use player-detecting pressure plates
hollow shell
Zombies can freely open doors in both directions in Death Mode iirc
but iunno is hahagager is playing Death
charred gyro
revengeance
hollow shell
aight so yeah you could just block one side of the door for now
charred gyro
i tried the torch idea brefore and would end up right clicking the torches
zealous ridge
oh SHIT just had a new idea
cultist assassin can teleport
have him drop a cloak that lets you teleport places but it can't be used when you're being attacked by a boss
/have boss zen
charred gyro
i just dont know whats so op about it outside of bossfighhts
you can nerf it again even if a miniboss is present
zealous ridge
imo there isn't anything really op about it out of boss fights
charred gyro
ik
zealous ridge
it was designed with traversal in mind, methinks
but boss fights break because of it as an unintended side effect
upbeat scroll
There, hope that fixes it
lime cradle
is it possible for calamity to make summons crit?
if so, is it worth putting it in because summons may need to be rebalanced?
upbeat scroll
there's a mod for that
zealous ridge
i believe its possible
upbeat scroll
there's a mod for that
zealous ridge
but idk if its really... needed
lime cradle
default in calamity is the idea here
upbeat scroll
it's just called "Summon Crit Hits' i think
lime cradle
theres quite a few accessories that rely on crits to proc,
which are all useless if summoners cant crit
upbeat scroll
I kinda guess it could be like an upgrade to the new Sulph Armor
As the Desert/Sulph Sea really seems to be the Rogue's theme for most of the early game
hollow shell
yeah kinda weird to mention that like it was recent
and it's not super relevant to Birb getting new weapons
but w/e
upbeat scroll
i mean, birb sprite update, so that's maybe why? idk
karmic stone
more reason to fight this boss after the profaned guardians
Melee and Mage get weapons, Ranger does too + an accesory, all classes get a rage upgrade
You dont get anything from Guardians besides the provi summon so doing Birb after Guardians is kinda h, Birb's weapons are pretty neat for Guardians, Summoner and Rogue already have good options for them so its the just getting the rage upgrade, i think this is fine as it is
Army of birbs would be cool though
upbeat scroll
what bosses will get the iban treatment next?
it's only a matter of time, but, ey nice suggestion anyways
upbeat scroll
yes
hollow shell
(well Iban just animated Levi and Birb
the base sprites were by others)
zealous ridge
subtle oracle
Thanks for letting us in on the details Rover
hollow shell
?
charred gyro
also make exodium clusters mineable by the drill containment unit
both luminite picks and the dcu are post moonlord so why not'
unkempt bolt
leaf wings are available from the start of hm
hollow shell
DCU actually has Picksaw's pickaxe power internally for some reason
charred gyro
thats so weird
subtle oracle
Maybe boost that to lunar pick power or higher?? If such a change is possible...
zealous ridge
that would make uelibloop mineable with dcu too, so i guess thats... fine?
its probably fine, because its post-ml anyways
upbeat scroll
You could make a slight upgrade to the DCU with more Luminite or fragments, but it would be just pointless
sand umbra
or you could not make the instant upgrade funnies and just buff DCU's pick power since it's already a Luminite craft
radiant meadow
dcu is already hella expensive
upbeat scroll
yeah it would be just pointless
sand umbra
byeah uh
DCU already takes an obscene amount of Chlorophyte and at least 2 ML kills for it alone
distant gyro
hmm
I balanced Tactical Plague Engine to be broken as fuck with Holy Fire Bullets on the premise that it consumes ~30 bullets per second with a summoner loadout, totalling about 6k bullets for the provi fight but with a kill time of 3:30 of intended 4:00
gray nebula
now let's introduce a yoyo summon that gets its summon slots halved when using yoyo bag
distant gyro
dapper thicket
I guess for boss fights it makes sense to be powerful but costly but it sucks when it just uses all of your ammo on random enemies.
gray nebula
suggesting buff fixes
mighty knot
should we make the pre-boss hardmode rogue armor/hardmode ore helmet thing a don't?
it's getting dangerously common as a suggestion
uncut hedge
Yeah
ashen warren
oh sorry ok thnk u
distant gyro
yea i personally would recommend endless musket pouch for enemies btw
queen delta
Check mod configs
uncut hedge
Not suggestions
lime cradle
yo tactical plague engine is A: a thing
and b: is a summon that uses ammo?
thats so cool
distant gyro
(yep it's a summon that decide to yoink ranger bullets and use it to fire on its own)
lime cradle
is it accurate?
radiant meadow
using spoiler tags recommended
@dapper thicket adding spoiler tags to your suggestion would be cool and good
gusty geode
K, have 2 things to say regarding the suggs that have been posted since last night
A) The wings one doesn't make a lot of sense
A set of wings doesn't have to belong to a set to be used
B) Don't Profaned enemies drop Divine Geodes post-Prov?
toxic kettle
B) no
radiant meadow
they don't
dapper thicket
Better?
radiant meadow
yes good
gusty geode
Ik they did at one point
Why was that removed?
radiant meadow
I don't remember that ever happening
if it was removed
it was removed well over a year ago
before future bosses
hollow shell
I don't think that was ever a thing no
I don't even recall something like that being suggested
devout seal
hey, PBG's hitbox meant to be funky?
p sure he shouldn't deal contact damage where he don't have contact.
devout seal
cool
subtle oracle
oh, i was about to report that on #bugs-read-pins shouldn't the PBG hit box bug get pinned?
frosty dagger
I'd assume if I'm talking about the new boss I would need to give it the spoiler cover right
hollow shell
(actually it was adjusted for the new one at one point then it accidentally got reverted)
(end result is the same tho)
(hitbox is currently fucked)
frosty dagger
||Give the Old Duke a new attack different from Duke Fishron.
The Old Duke is almost a cut and paste copy from Duke Fishron and this is an issue for a number of reasons. Fighting the same boss again under a different name is wierd and dissapointing. At this stage in the game you can just outrun Duke is all but the last phase and because he is easy to see in the last phase that isn't an issue, there just isn't much coming your way. This is worsened because there isn't big sharknados either. Giving him a new attack and not just a resprite would help remedy this. ||
devout seal
Spoiler cover it
hollow shell
||You know Old Duke has like literally none of Duke Fishron's attacks right||
frosty dagger
Sets of dashes, circle bubbles
Tbf I only say the fight but everything I saw was Duke Fishron
Everything is adjusted a bit but it's basically the same
hollow shell
||Old Duke|| never releases bubbles afaik
indigo fog
it doesn't
frosty dagger
I only saw the circle motion because in the vid Duke never really got close
hollow shell
||He also doesn't spawn tornadoes. He has the circular sulphur vortex which has a gravity effect||
frosty dagger
I'll do it myself then come back
hollow shell
Yeah please do
ashen warren
then why did you assume that he did? 
frosty dagger
Circular vortex is close enough to a tornado
hollow shell
Don't just take one glance at him and assume everything's the same, then suggest it be different
||Also Old Duke has the more unique fight dynamic of being mostly resilient throughout his attacks, with more vulnerable break periods where he gets exhausted||
radiant meadow
Amber fixed the hitbox already @devout seal @subtle oracle
toxic kettle
||Being based off Duke Fishron doesn't make Old Duke a carbon copy of it||
gray nebula
||imagine assuming old duke is a fishron clone without even fighting him yourself in 2020||
frigid sphinx
indigo fog
Actually you can dye the carpet from Auric Tesla armor if you equip a separate Flying Carpet and dye it
tepid imp
Thats sick
rugged belfry
@indigo fog It'd be easier, though.
unkempt bolt
your suggestion as it is is suggesting that they add a feature that can currently be accomplished through one vanity slot
rugged belfry
Rather than crafting a new one, it would just be easier to dye the leggings
indigo fog
Yeah I know it would be a lot easier, I was just mentioning that there is a way to do it currently
rugged belfry
Coolio
indigo fog
||I think there should be a way for Old Duke to catch up to you easier when you're far away instead of just being able to despawn. Maybe his dashes could speed up when the player is farther away, similar to Yharon. I was able to avoid pretty much everything ouside of teleport dashes in Phase 3 by running away because the projectiles are slow and Duke has long gaps between his dashes, which makes him easy to outrun. ||
hollow shell
Perhaps yeah
indigo fog
||I don't like the idea of having a boss that's fought just before DoG to be almost entirely avoided by running away||
||it could use the faster charges to keep up||
hollow shell
||I think making some of his attacks more distance-accounting would be good as well, like increasing the velocity of his sharkrons or gore vomits if you're far, so you can't just run away in the brief period when he pauses before attacking and still be safe even if he can catch up to you||
indigo fog
||Yeah projectiles like the tooth balls are pretty easy to avoid by just running||
Do you think it would be good to suggest?
hollow shell
Yeah, ||if you include the projectiles too. I have a feeling the problem will still persist if the dashes were the only thing that's faster.||
hollow shell
||Kinda implying that the despawn was an intentional effort and not just an oversight. I don't know for sure if either is true but I doubt it was intentional.||
indigo fog
||I thought that was intended||
hollow shell
||If it was then, yeah. That's kinda bad design.||
indigo fog
Maybe I should change that part then?
hollow shell
||If you can't find any testers confirming that then you should change the language a lil, yeah.||
indigo fog
wait nevermind i remembered seeing this in the nohit server
hollow shell
Yep then yeah you don't need to change anything
zealous ridge
kind of silly if you ask me
but nevermind that
that's what the suggestions channel is for
||btw when will spoiler period be over? like, tonight?||
hollow shell
Gotcha
hollow shell
m
radiant meadow
now to yell at y'all for not reading cal mod talk pins 
zealous ridge
i checked that tho
hollow shell
That is in fact 3 days
radiant meadow
zealous ridge
wasn't the update released like as soon as april 1st rolled around? so that means tonight?
radiant meadow
just check mod downloads
zealous ridge
wooden wedge
I don't think any timezone is still in the first
zealous ridge
just really wanna talk about some of the stuff in le update and spoilering everything is annoying LOL
but no matter
zealous ridge
yeah that's what i mean
wooden wedge
it's not a lot of effort
zealous ridge
again it doesnt matter
do you guys ever wonder why storm weaver has drones still?
like, i know it's kind of a thing from when drones were still in the dog fight
but they hardly add much to the SW fight and are kind of just dumb
i mean, the dog drones were removed to give more focus to dodging the big bad himself
indigo fog
They can kinda stop you from just circling SW but they do little damage so they aren't much of a threat
zealous ridge
they stop from circling yeah
but at the same time not really
because again, they aren't too threatening
you just shoot them for a bit and they're gone
hollow shell
funny cool theming idea
make the drones unable to shoot but connect them all with chains of lightning
area denial
zealous ridge
YES
that was exactly what i was thinking
perfect rover we are on the same wavelength
i would love to see that
like, bolts of lightning jump across the drones when the lightning attack is executed rather than just having all the bolts come from the sky
and the drones try to spread out more
that would make them a much more interesting threat
cinder spade
yes, give us a bumblebirb minion
teal ibex
is it me or has #suggestions-voting kind of exploded recently
there's over 45 suggestions from yesterday and today alone so far
indigo fog
45?
teal ibex
actually it might've been exactly 45 haha whoops
but either way, that seems like a lot
steady lion
@teal ibex dude. Your speed runs helped me get to scal. Thanks for the good videos!
hollow shell
Well I mean, a big update did just release
so kinda expected
steady lion
Thanks.
radiant meadow
I call it new update syndrome
terse sundial
@naive raven resprite suggestions aren't allowed
check the pins for the suggestion don'ts doc
indigo fog
you can go to the art server and ask there
hallow kraken
Make the wulfrum fishing pole have a unique ability.
Thereâs pretty much no reason to use it over reinforced fishing pole. While wulfrum fishing pole has a fishing power of 10%, reinforced has a power of 15%. Both are at the same tier, and 8 iron bars are considerably easier to get than 9 wulfrum shards. Even if you have 9 wulfrum shards but not 8 iron bars, because of the difference in fishing power and because shards are usually saved for armor and weapons, crafting a wulfrum fishing pole isnât a smart idea. I believe giving it a unique ability that reinforced pole doesnât have would be a better idea than buffing itâs fishing power. I donât think making an indirect immediate upgrade would be a good solution to an indirect immediate upgrade. My best idea for a unique ability would be making it so the line never snaps. Line snapping is just a bad mechanic. Itâs just a random chance to not catch something you were going to catch, which is frustrating. This buff would give the player an option to either use a fishing rod with more power or a rod with less but without an annoying mechanic.
Oh what, wulfrum poleâs tooltip jokes about how it âbarely worksâ? It can be changed. A tooltip shouldnât be an excuse for a useless item that should have a use existing in the mod.
zealous ridge
end part won't be nessecary, you get the point across just fine with the top section
hallow kraken
Okay
frail mantle
resprite sugg moment
gray nebula
yep
quick ice
ashen warren
yeah
indigo fog
@timid cave Suggesting resprites are a Don't
ashen warren