suggestions-discussion

[tired haven]

I indeed would love for more of summoner weapons to be craftable, but usually it looks weird due to thematics vanilla set in stone back then

[pulsar jay]

if your minions could keep up it wouldnt be

[hollow shell]

A fuckload more summon weapons are getting added in 2 days so maybe that fight will be easier then

[hot zephyr]

I'd argue that Summoner has one of the best toolkits against Slime God

[pulsar jay]

you have to pull some weird shenanigans to what

what

[tired haven]

Herring staff is like

[hot zephyr]

Herring staff + Crabs is great against SG

[pulsar jay]

how do you hit the damn core though

[hot zephyr]

Herring staff

[pulsar jay]

it's so fast

my herrings couldn't keep up

[hot zephyr]

Don't run, focus on dodging so the herrings can actually hit it

Be nearly stationary and use Counter Scarf to dodge it

[ashen warren]

I’d like to give a take.
Terraria (vanilla, that is) appeals to a much larger audience with a much larger variety of things you can do. Calamity is heavily combat focused, and thus appeals to a (perhaps vocal) portion of Terraria’s fanbase that plays Terraria in large part for that combat.
As a result, other processes get expedited. Merchant sells bait, for example, because most of the people who play Calamity really aren’t trying to go through the full breadth of vanilla progression for fishing to get what in many cases is a few items or even just one item.

[hollow shell]

This is a fair take

I do feel like a lot of conversations have the sort of pretense that bosses are the spotlight and everything in-between is just filler

[lyric eagle]

I mean, I'm totally in it for the combat, tbh.

My NPC houses are just stacked apartments that I build with whatever crap I find in my boxes

So I get what you mean

[ashen warren]

I would like to have Calamity focus on all combat in general personally

Rather than JUST bosses

[lyric eagle]

I never make pretty builds and the thought doesn't even enter into my head.

[hollow shell]

We do have content planned in the future for non-boss world content, both combat-focused and not

[lyric eagle]

Well, normal enemies are pretty easy to mow down. There's zero challenge to anything that isn't a profaned critter or in the dungeon post Moon Lord

[hollow shell]

but.. before that arrives, we're planned to have a new boss

(two new bosses, if you count the one coming in this update)

[lyric eagle]

or Solar Eclipse, but normal enemies are easy for players to nerf with banners

[sleek wadi]

Oh yeah Draedon is supposed to be next big update after Acid Rain

[hollow shell]

Yeah

[lyric eagle]

even mothrons get turned into big fat punching bags once you down 50 of them

[hollow shell]

And only after that will we start focusing on world stuff

[sleek wadi]

He was actually supposed to be 1.4.3/1.4.4 or whatever but then Rogue expansion and Acid Rain

[hollow shell]

Yeah Drae's 1.4.5 now

[sleek wadi]

Melee overhaul that replaces most of the swords with other weapon types pushes Draedon back to 1.4.6

[hollow shell]

Yes

[ashen warren]

I’m glad to hear that

Clam’s been seen as a boss mod for a while, and I’d like to see the scope of the mod expand

[hollow shell]

We do have the Abyss helping that situation a lot

That was a good move

[ashen warren]

That and the Sunken Sea (less so)

[tired haven]

Mana rework for mage is 1.4.7, i call it

[ashen warren]

Mana rework is a myth

[hollow shell]

Advanced spellcasting: Type incantations in the chat, draw runes on the screen, store the souls of your enemies for later usage

[ashen warren]

[hollow shell]

I'd be down for an immersive wizard experience

[ashen warren]

Terraria except it’s actually Wizard 101

[hot zephyr]

I'd much rather Calamity improve on things like exploration and vanilla balancing/core balancing than just adding another boss :P

[wide flicker]

terraria but you make bad anime references and nuke the whole world

[hollow shell]

Yeah
but Draedon's been a long time coming

[hot zephyr]

I guess

[hollow shell]

(Like really a long time)

[hot zephyr]

Where is he going in progression?

[hollow shell]

between Yharon and SCal

[hot zephyr]

Neat

[hollow shell]

He will come with an SCal rebalance

[hot zephyr]

So are exo-weapons gonna be locked behind him or is he a tier up?

SCal getting harder, I'm assuming?

Or is she losing her superboss shtick?

[hollow shell]

Exo weapons will be locked behind him
and non-exo "Auric" stuff will be made into its own tier

And buffs yeah

[hot zephyr]

Neat

[hollow shell]

cuz she's currently balanced for Yharon being the previous boss

[hot zephyr]

But power strength, the weapons are gonna be the same, no?

So it's just making her harder

[hollow shell]

The weapons will prolly get buffed too considering they're getting moved later

Don't sell the testers short

[hot zephyr]

Just sounds like another mark on the checklist to me

Biome changes sound more interesting

Sunken Sea/Brimstone Crag are in dire need of changes

[hollow shell]

Crag's got a whole update planned in the future

and SS might be getting something interesting at some point but it's not concrete

[hot zephyr]

I miss the old gen

[radiant meadow]

🦈 moment

[hollow shell]

too bad it was programmed like balls

[hot zephyr]

SS is neat lore speaking, but... you only really visit it once

[hollow shell]

er, twice

[radiant meadow]

twice

but it could use later game content

[hot zephyr]

If you're farming for meme armor

[radiant meadow]

the weapons are pretty good too

[hot zephyr]

Mollusk stuff is too annoying to get imo

[radiant meadow]

but of course

there's plenty of other options

so neither visit is mandatory

[hot zephyr]

It's early hardmode, yeah

Eh, I always visit SS after DS

It's top tier stuff for that point of the game

[radiant meadow]

DS gives ocean crest (except in normal)

so it's not unnatural

[ashen warren]

I do agree, Sunken Sea is a dope place and could use some reasons to visit it frequently

[hot zephyr]

Mollusk armor is a meme set and a huge waste of time

[indigo fog]

Mollusk Armor is not a bad set really

[radiant meadow]

what if sunken sea got a boost post moon lord

[indigo fog]

the speed decrease is easy to get around

[hot zephyr]

It'd be more interesting if it stopped being a hybrid armor and was given to a class that doesn't have many early hardmode sets

There's already enough revisiting of content post ML imo

Put it somewhere else like post Golem idk

[radiant meadow]

post golem already has plenty of stuff too tbf

martians, ooa if you're into that, and plague

and chaotic gear

[hot zephyr]

tbf though, all of that is almost completely useless except chaotic gear

Calamtiy has a balance issue where instead of fighting any of that, you can just get pillar stuff

[radiant meadow]

aerial bane

[hot zephyr]

I guess

I'd rather user Phantasm though

[radiant meadow]

and some martian stuff is pretty powerful

I mean, if you want to just jump straight into pillars

you can do that too ig

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, but most of it is outclasses by pillar

[lyric eagle]

I was thinking, should there be an alternate crafting for Astreal Defeat that doesn't include the Spirit Flame? Some people might not want to corrupt their desert and as such never get Astreal Defeat or its upgrades. Other ideas are fine too, such as making it easier to get Spirit Flame with including Desert Spirits in hallowed deserts or giving the great sand shark a chance to cough up a lamp or something dumb like that.

[radiant meadow]

well yes

because pillars are a later tier

that's natural

[hot zephyr]

I think Pillars need to be post Ravager

[radiant meadow]

that's not something that can really be changed

[hot zephyr]

Or LC needs a huge buff to where you need the other mats

[radiant meadow]

and it'd kill non linearity that we're often working towards

[hot zephyr]

Is the spawning of LC hardcoded?

[radiant meadow]

I wouldn't doubt it

but moreover

we add a summon accessible in early hardmode

[hollow shell]

.. heh

[radiant meadow]

non linearity is a decision of calamity

[hot zephyr]

While yeah, it'd kill non linearity but it's super easy to just skip over most of the content

You can get Pillar gear pre golem, as well

It's just a huge power boost for extremely minimal effort

[hollow shell]

I always beat every boss and see every biome cuz I want to
If a player wants to skip it they can

[hot zephyr]

I guess

It's not like say, Duke Fishron pre-mechs

In that case, you could get stronger gear but good luck fighting Duke

In this case, it's super easy to skip over most of the mod

It makes most of the mod super easy, which sure it's a choice but it's an easy choice to make

I think that LC just needs a buff that requires higher tier gear to fight tbh

[hollow shell]

Perhaps yes

[hot zephyr]

He's a roadblock

[radiant meadow]

LC is just dumb

Calamity already buffs the poor lad

[lost agate]

Doesnt Cultist already have like, a very hectic fight?

[hot zephyr]

It's pretty easy IMO

Megashark + Chloro bullets can wipe him out pretty damn easily

He has super poor range

[radiant meadow]

I'm not sure if it could be really buffed without making him dumb

[hot zephyr]

Here's an idea:

Y'know the darkness effect you get from equipping his lore?

[lost agate]

Which only gets worse if you have weaker gear since that means a longer fight

[radiant meadow]

I also don't understand npc AI that well, but that's a different story

[hot zephyr]

Have it be applied to the player the farther they get from LC

Celestial Madness debuff or something idek

[radiant meadow]

that could be done

like what signus does

[hot zephyr]

The farther out, the weirder it gets

Have debuffs the farther you run

[radiant meadow]

it gets darker as you get farther away

[hot zephyr]

I'd also have him teleport if you get far away

[radiant meadow]

because he uses telekinesis and shuts off your brain or something

[hot zephyr]

It should be a 1v1 close ranged fight

But you can kinda just run away and kick his shit in

He's got no biome restriction or punish if you just kinda run and no mobility to ever actually catch up to you

[lyric eagle]

I'd go with that. Too far and you get the mushroom visual effect maybe

[hot zephyr]

He's slow and weak

He might have damage, but most of his attacks are super slow

[lyric eagle]

and his summons are vampire knives bait

[ashen warren]

Well it would have to be more than darkness

[hot zephyr]

This dude in lore held back Yharim and a dark god

[ashen warren]

Darkness wouldn’t fix the homing projectiles issue

[hot zephyr]

It could be other things, damage, him teleporting, etc

[wide flicker]

That is actually a kinda neat change, something that isn't super complex, but changes the fight enough to where it changes how it is fought

[hot zephyr]

Should I submit a full suggestion?

[wide flicker]

Darkness can be the warning for something worse

[radiant meadow]

make phantasmal dragon invincible and he goes from easy fight to literally fuck off and stop being an annoying prick

[tired haven]

Darkness certainly will be more of a warning than actual threat

[hot zephyr]

That'd work

[radiant meadow]

I was joking

[lyric eagle]

I could see him having like a 10% phase where he teleports like 5 times in a row and releases projectile waves on rev and death

[hot zephyr]

Well, a warning for more dangerous effects if you're staying outside the range

[tired haven]

That'd work, but at what cost~~

[lyric eagle]

although that might be dumb

[radiant meadow]

no way I'm making the dragon invincible

[hot zephyr]

Sorry, I misread your statement Ben

I thought it'd be invincible and charge you if you left his area

[radiant meadow]

I meant invincible at all times

[hot zephyr]

Yeah. No.

Even though it's not hard to deal with

[lyric eagle]

fishron-style near death berserk-mode could actually be fun, maybe

[hot zephyr]

It's a Wyvern

[dense nebula]

I think for the most part the merchant selling master bait in particular basically makes all other baits useless.

You have an nfinite supply of some of the best bait in the game, really I buy a load of it as soon as I can, put it in my ammo slot then have all the other baits on auto trash because I just don't need em.

So I suggest nerfing Master Bait down to 40% AND removing them from the merchant, keeping the other 2 , and buffing the Calamity baits from the Astral Biome to 50%

That way you still have readily infinite access to "mediocre" bait in the form of 30% from Journeyman, Master Bait would still have value when gathered from Crates and fishing quests, Enchanted Nightcrawlers would once again have use as a middle ground AND if you wanted even better bait you'd be required to fish for them in the Astral Biome.

None of this really solves the "Flower Boots having a purpose" issue and I still think they should be completely reworked to have a different function, just my thoughts on the fishing balance in general.

Merchant should definitely still sell bait as his value as an NPC is almost completely lost without it.

[lyric eagle]

I swear Imma delete my post

[dense nebula]

Lmao

[lyric eagle]

if this keeps up, since I may cry if my merchant loses his bait

that's like his only reason for existing

aside from selling arrows

[dense nebula]

But then like, you buy a ton of Master Bait and then never think about either the merchant or bait ever again

[lyric eagle]

but I wouldn't be too miserable to just lose m-bait I guess

that's exactly what I did. I mean, the demolitionist and the arms dealer could literally have their inventories combined into one NPC and we'd lose nothing

there are superfluous NPCs from vanilla

[digital saddle]

Fishing is tedious enough

We really don't need even more hurdles

[dense nebula]

Calamity already does an excellent job of remedying the tedium, a bit too much in my opinion.

You can get the best fishing accessories and the best bait as soon as you enter Hardmode with minimal effort, doesn't that seem a bit too easy?

[tired haven]

It does, but not for everyone

(imaginary limits are different for players in that regard)

[lyric eagle]

but is fishing really supposed to be hard? Must all things be difficult? I literally never fished on vanilla because I hated doing the angler's quests so much

In calamity, however, I'm delighted to take that darling boy on a trip to the sulphurous sea

and fish all I want, because my buddy the desert scourge will barf up any fishing stuff I need other than poles

[hot zephyr]

I feel like a lot of QoL/grinding removal from Calamity could be it's own mod ala the music packs.

[dense nebula]

And I'm not suggesting changing any of that, I think a good middle ground can be reach from effortlessly easy and annoying grindy

[hot zephyr]

I think most of the time, Calamity should add upon the game, and not change core mechanics/balancing.

Calamity's changes should either be a config or just a separate mod

[queen delta]

oh god not random gravity flips

[hot zephyr]

Oh yeah, random gravity flips.

It beats the millionth damaging debuff

[queen delta]

That'd just be unfun

[hot zephyr]

So don't run away from LC?

That's like saying Yharon's boundary tornadoes are just unfun..

Similarly to the infernadoes, if you stay in the radius you won't be afflicted

[wide flicker]

Infernados kill you outright though, this just makes your mobility crap for trying to get back to the fight

[tired haven]

Feral bite aggressive flashbacks

[hot zephyr]

Trying to get back?

It's a punish for leaving the area.

[dense nebula]

I don't know about random effects, randomness is a generally bad idea.

The effect should be predictable if you want it as bad as you hope.

[wide flicker]

If curse immunity wasn't a thing I would suggest it inflicting cursed too far out or make a big middle finger in the form of greater curse

[hot zephyr]

I'm not saying random effects, I'm listing potential ideas for the debuff the devs could add.

[dense nebula]

Ah

[wide flicker]

Yeah I was going to say, I do overall support the suggestion

[tired haven]

Random gravity flips are still random, however

[hot zephyr]

Well, yeah.

[lyric eagle]

Would an extremely aggressive last-ditch stage where Cultist teleports right next to the player solve any problems? I'm thinking fishron but he warps several times in a row near the player and releases a slow burst of projectiles each time. Give a little hint of bullet hell and increase the difficulty to lock pillars behind a beef gate.

[lost agate]

FUck it, circular arena

[hot zephyr]

Could be every few seconds instead of completely random

I suggested a teleport :p

[dense nebula]

Lol yeah could go full Masochist mode with it.

[lost agate]

(Dont actually)

[tired haven]

Make the arena a hexagon just to temper with feelings

[ashen warren]

Start yeeting pillars at people

[lyric eagle]

No weird debuffs, just he's pissed and is ready to roast the terrarian rather than screw around with illusions and stuff

[hot zephyr]

LC should be more about dodging inbetween the projectiles instead of just running away

[wide flicker]

To be fair, it is the choice of the devs, and they may not use that and use one of the other things

[hot zephyr]

LC's gimmick is being weird and having a million different spells to use

He's supposed to be a unique fight

[lyric eagle]

unfortunately, being weird does not a difficult boss fight make

[hot zephyr]

He's player sized

[lyric eagle]

being weird makes him special but not the good kind of special

[hot zephyr]

That's subjective

I like him because he's not another fucking worm/eye boss

[tired haven]

Can't even see how he is weird aside from not being humongous

[hot zephyr]

He's weird in being player sized and being nearly stationary

Having no biome restrictions, and no good movement

[dense nebula]

I do like the idea, I just struggle to think of anything interesting.

Wait I might be misremembering, but doesn't lunatic cultist have 2 summons?

[pulsar jay]

ian

[hot zephyr]

Instead of chasing down the player, he spits projectiles

[pulsar jay]

did you call mollusk

a meme

[tired haven]

Hmm, stationary is a good call. Others not so much

[pulsar jay]

the fucking clams

[hot zephyr]

Mollusk is a fucking meme set

[lyric eagle]

well, yes, but this discussion is about improving him. Small size is a defining feature, but it's not enough when he needs to be a beef-gate like has been brought up

[pulsar jay]

they deal 1500 damage

[lost agate]

half the bosses dont have biome restriction

[pulsar jay]

and you can unclasp them at will

[lost agate]

and player sized isnt exactly weird

its just different

[pulsar jay]

i killed the mechs in 40 seconds with them

as a summoner

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, you're playing on Expert mode lol

[tired haven]

Slime God core be like

[pulsar jay]

dude

the clams still are op probably in rev

[wide flicker]

oh god not again

[lyric eagle]

slime god core inflicts distorted. slime god core is terrifying.

[hot zephyr]

Slime God Core is only a part of the trio

[lyric eagle]

poor loony doesn't even deal contact damage

[pulsar jay]

it does

[lyric eagle]

and can be murdered with Mantis Claws

[lost agate]

Also if all bosses just followed you it would be quite damn boring

[lyric eagle]

does he? I thought he didn't

oh, he does

[tired haven]

There is like nothing in vanilla that doesn't deal contact dmg lol

[pulsar jay]

lunatic fucking with gravity throughout the battle could be neat

[tired haven]

And even in calamity it's unique to prov

[dense nebula]

Maybe Brimstone Flames?

[lost agate]

All friendly npcs dont technically

[pulsar jay]

if done properly of course

[tired haven]

Shh

[lost agate]

since they dont hit back when tackled by mobs lol

[hot zephyr]

He does 50/75 contact damage on hit

Lunatic Cultist could also cast abilities from other bosses. We've siphoned souls and abilities from other bosses, why can't he?

Add new attacks inspired by other Calamity bosses/rev changes

[wide flicker]

let him pull a Majora's Mask and moon you

[hot zephyr]

Give him Brimmy's fucking laser but buffed so he can assblast you if you try and run

[dense nebula]

That's the masochist mentality!

"Give em a Moonlord Lazer! Done"

[lyric eagle]

That could be interesting. Final exam boss where he starts with Slime God's crown jewel and at percent based intervals uses attacks from each boss next in progression.

[lost agate]

HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[hot zephyr]

Nah, not anything that's after him

[lyric eagle]

or it could be really silly

[dense nebula]

Ooh I really like that idea Oris

[tired haven]

That spins out of control quickly

[lyric eagle]

on death mode, he keeps every previous boss's attacks

not on rev tho

[lost agate]

Maso only adds a deathray to 3 things and one of them isnt even a moon lord laser

[hot zephyr]

I'd change to Death just to fight him because that sounds badass

[lyric eagle]

bullet hell insanity

so would I, I'd love that

but I've got a good pc

some people's computers might hate that fight

[lost agate]

In fact none of them is a ML laser cuz none move like one

[tired haven]

Twins laser is too close to the og one tho

But yeh ig

[dense nebula]

It was a joke plz

[tired haven]

Joking like there is no tomorrow in suggestion discussion, eeh?

I won't judge too much but see for yourself how appropriate it is

[lost agate]

I mean, the only similarity is that it rotates

But its a full spin so its a bit different

[tired haven]

360 instead of like 180 is not too big of a difference, really

[indigo fog]

Retinazer's laser in maso is a full spin?

[lost agate]

It is

[tired haven]

Well, it's like saying 1 extraUpdate on a bullet makes it not a bullet

[ashen warren]

I thought it was two full spins lel

[lost agate]

Well provi laser used to be bootleg ML laser

Now its just 2 with less rotation

No crab its different

Its still a bullet

Reti deathray is still a deathray so is ML's

[ashen warren]

Provi has no business having a Deathray, change my mind

[lyric eagle]

so LC's progression attacks could go:
King slime's crown things
Desert Scourge's sand blasts
EOC's spawning of little things, alternatively a dark-energy charging attack
Crabulon's homing spores
Simultaneous Creepers and spit from EoW/BoC
Simultaneous boiling blood and rain from Perf/HM
Skeletron skulls
Slime God mines
WoF death lasers
and so on, alternatively only do hardmode bosses as an attack lineup

[lost agate]

Its the same type of proj

But calling them the exact same aint good

[tired haven]

Nobody did call them exact same, however
But I digress

[lost agate]

Its like saying ichor bulleta are silver bullets cuz they have same textures and hitbox behaviour

Well a lot of people call them ML lasers

As if thats the only possible deathray

[tired haven]

~~because it sure is the only available analogy ~~

[lost agate]

Saucer uses one too

[wide flicker]

because its a meme and because it is popular it has to be said to death

[lost agate]

So does last prism

[sleek wadi]

LC could have 2 clones beaming down death rays at the side of the player's screen, with the clones moving slightly slower than the player so that you just can't run away all the time without eating nasty damage.

[tired haven]

sigh
Saucer doesn't spin the ray
Prism is a weapon

[ashen warren]

Ichor bullets and silver bullets both fall under the category of “bullet”

[tired haven]

Altho the similarity between divine laser and saucer deathray is p funny

[lost agate]

Anyway, this is just unnecesary arguing

[dense nebula]

I think arguing the semantics on the definition of a Moon Lord lazer is getting a bit away from the original topic of discussing how lame LC is

[ashen warren]

Similarly all of these attacks fall under an undefined category that I call “Deathray”

[tired haven]

Indeed

[lost agate]

Just that people saying maso puts ML lasers on everything is an exageration, thats all i really wanted to say

[sturdy geyser]

moon lord's laser is called phantasmal deathray

[lost agate]

Maybe he was joking but theres people that legit say that

[dense nebula]

I like Maso Mode, it was said purely in jest, Let's digress.

[wide flicker]

as I said, its because it is a meme so people have to beat it like a dead horse

[lost agate]

All gud

[pulsar jay]

it'd be cool if periodically he flipped gravity

[wide flicker]

Yeah back on topic

[pulsar jay]

or confused you

but also buffed your stats in exhange to not be cancer

[unkempt bolt]

no confusion

never confusion

[pulsar jay]

kinda a nod to ML's uh

globe

since he has power absorbed from him

[ashen warren]

Yeah @sturdy geyser that’s prolly the place I got it from

[tired haven]

Periodical gravity flips sound like worse confusion, anyway

[pulsar jay]

imagine cultist distorts you and then does a bullet rain segment

that'd be interesting

[tired haven]

Anything in general that cripples player's abilities and especially movement is bound to be met with scepticism

[lyric eagle]

distort, as in distortion debuff? that sounds like absolut hell

[pulsar jay]

a bullet rain only needs horizontal movement

as long as they're not coming fron the side

[unkempt bolt]

if it was purely horizontal though

that would be quite easy

[sleek wadi]

Sounds like it gets giga cheesed by Gravity Normalizer

[pulsar jay]

fuck

[ashen warren]

Generally, messing with the player’s movement is

[pulsar jay]

it can be done right.. right?

[tired haven]

Mayhaps

[lyric eagle]

it's why I have a deep-seated fear of slime god

[sleek wadi]

Lets not fuck with player movement itself beyond flight nerfs

[dense nebula]

I tend to agree, hampering movement is the least fun way to make something harder.

[unkempt bolt]

^

[pulsar jay]

the problem is the player being able to just

remove debuffs

via potions

[lost agate]

Movement limiting only really works if you make it comfortable for the player to adjust, or if its preventable

[pulsar jay]

distortion can be comfortable if you're put in a segment that only requires horizontals

[dense nebula]

Then maybe debuffs arent the solution'

[lyric eagle]

we want to make cultist both hard and fun

[lost agate]

Well

Theres also the chance where he attacks in a way distorted means a lot of hits

[lyric eagle]

currently, he's a fart in the breeze compared to what downing him grants you access to

[lost agate]

Without prevention whatsoever

Ideally you would want smth like

[pulsar jay]

if you lock it to a specific segment, no

[lost agate]

If player has distorted, boss does an attack that requires solely horizontal movement

As an example

[tired haven]

I can see some seed in the "vertical projectiles dodged by horizontal movement only due to distortion", since it doesn't actually limit you but rather puts you in proper boundaries
Just a question of how pleasant the transition would be and how wacky the random y axis will end up

[lost agate]

That way distorted can cause problems, but theyre dodgeable

[tired haven]

That's what hadari tried to imply, i believe

[lyric eagle]

the problem with the distorted bullet hell issue is, we don't know where the player is going to be when he triggers it

[pulsar jay]

yes

[lost agate]

Oh, if he did im sorry

[unkempt bolt]

it would essentially be like scal's bullet hell when it's only vertical

[pulsar jay]

^

[unkempt bolt]

except

[wide flicker]

I wish curse immunity wasn't a thing, then you could utilize cursed skulls as something to use or have cursed be the thing that keeps you in the boundaries

[unkempt bolt]

thats really easy

[lyric eagle]

so they could end up in a place where there is nothing to be had but a bad time

[unkempt bolt]

and would only serve to let the player wait down their potion sickness

[pulsar jay]

when would you need to disable the player's items

just have the boss go immune

[sleek wadi]

You could just make another curse debuff, unrelated to actual curse.

[pulsar jay]

if it's about rod, give them chaos state

[lost agate]

I mean

[tired haven]

It's not exactly easy because distortion also shakes you up and down

[pulsar jay]

oh fuck i forgot about that

[tired haven]

To the point where I doubt the bh can be consistently dodged with that

[lyric eagle]

it would have to be a special form of distorted if you really wanted to do that

[sleek wadi]

The answer to any debuff immunity is to just make a clone that dodges immunity, however that is very scummy and lets not do that.

[lyric eagle]

kind of like sliding through space

[lost agate]

You could also just make projectiles that leaves some gaps rather than just random vertical projs

[pulsar jay]

cultist needs a complete rework tbh

[tired haven]

Cultist attacks themselves are fine; its the lack of arena that makes him seem weak

[pulsar jay]

he's just so pathetic and I don't think simple buffs will fix it

[lost agate]

Eh im not so sure on that

But whatever you guys feel its the best

[pulsar jay]

i have more than enough ideas to just open a doc and type up a rework but like

[dense nebula]

Maybe some sentries similar to the one's Polterghast has?

[lost agate]

Orbitating nebula floaters oyes

[dense nebula]

You could theme them around the pillars

[tired haven]

I still am fond of the concept where cultist creates cataclysm similar to old projectile rain, to the sides from him/initial encounter, that you would naturally want to avoid stepping into

But that most likely will be taken as harshly as yharon bordernadoes if not worse

[sleek wadi]

Polter's sentries hardly fuck with me, and Polter has a very defined arena. Would be even worse for LC.

[lyric eagle]

sentries with LC face the problem of the player can just fly away, so on their own they aren't enough and will need the distance restriction to work maybe

[dense nebula]

Hmm, that's true, the real issue def seems to be the players access to limitless movement.

combined with LC's lack of it

[lyric eagle]

which the response could be give LC a library of various long-ranged attacks

for example, give him brimmy's accelerating blasts for a portion of the fight

[sleek wadi]

I think the best solution might be to try and speed-cap the player, hence why I suggested the 2 LC clones bordering you with death rays. Fast enough that you don't dash into them immediately but slow enough that you WILL run into them for trying to run the entire time.

[lyric eagle]

nobody wants to be far away from a boss using those since they can't predict where to dodge

[pulsar jay]

i think instead of a boarder lunatic could just always match the player's movement while repmaining his positions relative to the player

[tired haven]

So "another skeletron boss" but taken to absolute?

[pulsar jay]

?

[lyric eagle]

I still like the teleport spam which pulses some razorblade projectile if the player tries to get away

[tired haven]

The kind that tries to stick to player

[dense nebula]

Hear me out, perhaps a radius based aggression?

The farther away from the player he is the more aggressive and dangerous his attacks become, move too far and his projectiles travel too quickly to effectively dodge.

[lyric eagle]

like, he doesn't move towards you, but he wormholes next to the player

[tired haven]

Moon Lord would be a better comparison ig

[lyric eagle]

Ooh, elemental based projectile idea incoming to go with the pillars maybe

for fire, he gets brimstone's accelerating blasts

[pulsar jay]

cal clone loves to fucking do that

thw brimstone travels so fast it's not even visible if you're far enough away

[tired haven]

Also looking precisely you'd be able to dodge all cultist attacks just as well if not better if he just sticks to you

[wide flicker]

Givin LC a sniper rifle powered by magic

That sounds like a nightmare

[lyric eagle]

for vortex, he could get something like a nuke barrage, not accelerating, not homing, just a lot

[ashen warren]

So, like Martian Saucer barrage?

[pulsar jay]

I'd imagine some telepgraphed, but deadly attacks, since his magic implies some sort of casting

[dense nebula]

That could work if perhaps it was telegraphed with a warning.

If LC's off screen for long enough he could charge up a high damage lazer beam telegraphed by an obvious sound as a warning to stop running.

[lyric eagle]

for stardust, he summons a barrage of weak critters that chase the player and have to be killed, similar to leviathan's barfing up paraseas and abominations

[dense nebula]

I like where your heads at Oris

[pulsar jay]

like falling lightning with a telegraph on the ground of it's position

[lyric eagle]

for nebula, he throws explosion bombs that are designated to explode behind the player's current position in relation to both cultist and player

if the player's actively flying away, they get caught in the blast 100%

if they're moving towards cultist, much less likely to take damage

[pulsar jay]

every pillar has a representstion in his regulsr fight

except for

nebula

He's literally a mage!

what the fuck?

[tired haven]

Nebula is included in fireballs that literally curve like that one wep

[pulsar jay]

those are solar though

[lyric eagle]

and at 10%, goes berserk and starts throwing everything at once. I love it when bosses do that

[pulsar jay]

then there's the stardust fragments and the vortex lightning

[hollow shell]

I think it may be implied with his teleportation

[tired haven]

It is a hybrid at very least

[pulsar jay]

ohh

[hollow shell]

iirc it leaves a purple afterimage

[pulsar jay]

Ooh

wait where did the ice come from

[hollow shell]

Good question

[pulsar jay]

his ice attack is my favorite

[tired haven]

Where the ancient doom came from, too

[pulsar jay]

I imagine that as just a summon

[tired haven]

(that place being dungeon ig)

[pulsar jay]

fair

i love his ice attack though

it's fun to dodge that

[lyric eagle]

maybe he could also get a Solar Dash like the armor if the player moves too far away during his solar cycle phase

[tired haven]

(if you don't run away ofc)

Also hmmst

[lyric eagle]

a very high-powered dash attack that enhances his contact damage

but telegraphed by him glowing and making noises

[pulsar jay]

maybe he has 4 clones in the corner of your screeb

if the cultist goes off screen

they get agressive and begin attacking

[lyric eagle]

I feel like obvious punisher mechanics aren't as fun as rewarding the player to stay closer to the boss

by making certain attacks easier to dodge

[ashen warren]

So Golem head as an enrage mechanic?
sorry for all the generalization

[pulsar jay]

you could just make him omnipotent where his attacks just are made in a way to where they can just be with you

kinda like dog's laser walls being where you are

[tired haven]

Tbh something really tickles me to invest and expand on homing projectile resist method

Like, there is a slight forcefield that lowers damage the further the shot travelled before hitting cultist
That way you will be rewarded by staying close to the cultist during dodges
(sadly that makes already strong true melee the best bet but ech, gotta let that subclass have fun sometimes)

[pulsar jay]

true melee strong

[tired haven]

true memee indeed
You should see how quickly cultist fight ends with it

[pulsar jay]

nani

[hollow shell]

True melee is the reason "melee speed" got capped to shit

[tired haven]

I'd bet proper setup will be sub10

[ashen warren]

Not counting Ultimus Cleaver

[pulsar jay]

claw abuse

claws are what make true melee work in a large amount of cases

[sleek wadi]

Blade of Enmity just kinda kills Cultist dead, I forgot warmth potion for that fight and still first tried it.

Astral Blade on a potential refight even more so, Coldheart Icicle is super easy to hit LC with and it gets out DPSed by everything

[tired haven]

[pulsar jay]

cultist has like no def so yeah

[sleek wadi]

Coldheart can deal 4-6% in one second so if stuff is out-DPSing THAT then there might be a problem.

[tired haven]

No slapping hard close range attack either so

Also meh, it's just static target troubles

[ashen warren]

Let True Melee have this one please

[pulsar jay]

imagine how op coldheart would be if it had any kind of range

even if it was just a broadsword instead of a shortsword it'd be pretty insane

[ashen warren]

Halibut cannon pre mechs free?

[tired haven]

nerf the whole class just to fix 1 routine bossfight
Somebody did try to suggest an upgrade to icicle with range

[pulsar jay]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[sleek wadi]

Coldheart Icicle rips anything that it can hit apart.

[pulsar jay]

icicle vs yharon

[sleek wadi]

Seriously, use it against Aureus its a free 16%.

[tired haven]

Technically speaking, limited ammo guns are also that

But, well, no wonder why they ended up limited

[pulsar jay]

star cannon

[tired haven]

Nah, not that

[pulsar jay]

oh boy astral biome

grind stardust to make your cannon *#($($(2(#)@929kjsjekwajssi

[sleek wadi]

I'm kind of considering putting in a suggestion to give Aureus CHI immunity upon spawning, but then again realizing that you can even get that free damage should probably be rewarded.

[tired haven]

(i was talking about magnums and stuff but kk)

[pulsar jay]

mah gums

[tired haven]

Also ye, it's pretty obscure and risky

wait, Trinket of CHI? lel

[sleek wadi]

Trinket of Coldheart Icicle when

[pulsar jay]

AHAHAHA

[sleek wadi]

Don't know what it'd do, but it'd be funni

[pulsar jay]

stand still to have your next attack drain 2% of the target's hp

summoner moment

[tired haven]

Still better than original ig

[pulsar jay]

imagine using it during dog

the fight where you honestly spend most if the fight doing nothing until he goes purple

[tired haven]

No worm enemies are affected so its empty effort

[pulsar jay]

his head is

and summons always target it

[tired haven]

Oh well

[pulsar jay]

seriously

they should do something with that cyan phase

you're just kinda standing there doing nothing until he comes down

maybe a mini version of the laser walls that are only vertical

you don't have to get off the ground to complete them but also you are given something to fucking do

[hollow shell]

I think we're getting off the rails

[sleek wadi]

DoG is like the last fight you can find a place to stand still for, maybe he should keep that

[tired haven]

Certainly not the last

[pulsar jay]

scal

[tired haven]

But not too extreme either

[pulsar jay]

scal bh1 you can stand still for for a decent portion

you really only need to occasionally take a step until the horizontals show up

[tired haven]

Altho the part about "comes down" makes me curious. Does that mean the portion where everyone just runs to the side with dog following right above?

[pulsar jay]

until he enters purple

[tired haven]

until he enters purple, ye

So, you can stand still and he won't do anything since he coils up above, right?

[pulsar jay]

yeah

the lasers in phase 1 don't have enough range and the cosmic fireballs can't hit you if you aren't near his head

[tired haven]

Ye, that does seems exploitable
p1 has lasers to prevent that; p2 has fireballs but that's rather lonely projectiles

Hmm

[pulsar jay]

no he's too far above for p1 lasers im pretty sure

[hollow shell]

is this going to pertain to a suggestion
I haven't been following super closely but I don't know if it will

[pulsar jay]

very likely

[tired haven]

Haven't fought him for a while to remember but lasers seemed to almost always graze me

[pulsar jay]

in fact i already made a makeshift one

I've fought him a bit more recently and they barely even get on screen

[tired haven]

Probably instead of curving above he should take a fake-ish turn and go through your position

But no real idea for now

[pulsar jay]

i was just thinking of a smol version of the laser walls

to set you up for whats to come

[tired haven]

Mayhaps

[pulsar jay]

i wish his wall had some kind of warning they were coming they're just fuckin there unless you see him turn invis off screen, but if he's cyan you don't

[tired haven]

That made me imagine some ambient background effects that change or fade down when the laser phase is coming

To both compliment visuals/boss design with cosmos glorious views and give actual information like sky colors in non-death

[hollow saffron]

that could be interesting

[pulsar jay]

maybe an uh dakrer purple color?

they make the lasers very visible while also fitting his coloring

[tired haven]

Was thinking more of deep blue into black during lasers, but that's mere details tbh

[pulsar jay]

E

[hot zephyr]

DoG is one of the fairest fights in the mod.

[pulsar jay]

who is most unfair

i personally consider scal the most fair

i never catch her pulling any bs of any kind

considering bullet hell bosses aren't really allowed to do that without being bad design

[tired haven]

The most unfair is vanilla brain of choochoo no idea actually
Probably would be a random mech of one's taste

Most likely prime

[dense nebula]

I really don't like Yharon's Teleport attacks.

[hollow shell]

@earnest raptor That's kind of a big ask

[earnest raptor]

🤔

[tired haven]

I'd rather note that it's quite specific ask

[earnest raptor]

I can't push some ideas?

[tired haven]

Well, you can

Also nvm, I misread some parts

[hollow shell]

We recently edited a Don't to generally include any grand scale changes
I don't know if this counts for that or not

But what I do know for sure
is that you shouldn't use specific numbers in your suggestion

[tired haven]

Those go for an example and that's what confused me

[hollow shell]

Exact duration, exact stat percent boosts
Bad idea
Cuz that's up to the testers and you don't want your sugg to be concerned with balancing, rather it's main idea

[tired haven]

But technically it's fine, just jarring

[earnest raptor]

Removed numbers.

[hollow shell]

Thanks
tho I wouldn't use "short buff" to describe that

I would clarify that it'd be longer than current

Current being, just five seconds

[tired haven]

Less than regular buff potions but more than current

That should do

[earnest raptor]

Ok.

Edited.

[hollow shell]

Aight thanks

[earnest raptor]

I don't know, how to describe 6x more duration without numbers.

[hollow shell]

This works.

[tired haven]

I mean, if it ends up better as a minute long during tests, the suggestion did serve its purpose and numbers won't matter

[quick ice]

You can always add it as a suggested number, like so
“For example: after pressing Rage Mode you gain a lot longer (Say, 6 times longer?) Buff” so you aren’t saying that they need to do that number, but rather that you think it’d be a good area to start testing at

[hearty yew]

@analog thicket Just a notice: That's exactly how it already works.

idk if anyone has explained that to you yet

Like, that suggestion is already done

[hollow shell]

I pinged him about it earlier but he didn't respond

[hearty yew]

Oh ok.

I don't think this was spelled out in changelogs so I can't really blame him

[tired haven]

The whole dilemma about rage rework got me thinking
Is it possible to create some sort of "brainstorm" events where community suggests stuff with less bindings but solely for one requested by devs theme? I could elaborate if needed

[hollow shell]

We could do that
but I don't know how much mileage we get out of it

considering we have a pretty significantly sized dev & tester team, we don't really need to divert to public opinion for big rework ideas

[tired haven]

First ones would be slightly disastrous

Also yeah, it is fair that public has less credibility in design. However, it may still be helpful to see what's expected and which parts could be adjusted

"Players are great at identifying problems, but horrible at designing solutions for them", after all

The reason why suggestions and not just analysis/critique is that the suggestion is a formed thought. Complaints tend to constantly flow without a carcass

[teal ibex]

i like the idea but it does seem unrealistic to me

[hot zephyr]

If we're talking about rage, IMO it'd be cool if it was but by consistent DPS

built by*

[earnest raptor]

Then it's would be no different from adrenaline for most of classes.

[hot zephyr]

Eh,

[tired haven]

It does seem slightly unreal for me as well, but if not discussed at all it will never become true

[hot zephyr]

It'd reward not missing

[earnest raptor]

Ranger

Just ranger

[subtle oracle]

Crab's idea is cool, but im afraid it'll never come into Fruition

[tired haven]

Reward homing which is already dominant?

[hollow shell]

Rewarding dealing constant damage with yet more damage doesn't sound right

[subtle oracle]

How frequent would these sugg events be??

[earnest raptor]

Every week, I suppose?

Suggfest.

[hollow shell]

Nah that's way too frequent

[subtle oracle]

if they become a thing

[hot zephyr]

Or just not have homing grant Rage, promoting manual weapons?

[tired haven]

Up to one's imagination, I presume
My take is monthly at most

[subtle oracle]

It'll be like the old #suggestions-voting

[hollow shell]

It would not be easy to determine which projectiles do and don't have homing

[earnest raptor]

@hot zephyr congratulations, you have punished summoner even more.

[hollow shell]

s'not a variable, it's programmed manually into every projectile AI

[hot zephyr]

Aye

[tired haven]

There are different types of homing as well which will quickly become arbitrary

[hot zephyr]

I'm just spitballin

[hollow shell]

m

[hot zephyr]

eme

[tired haven]

Anyway, my idea was "sent" (no real reason to give it to public because of improbability), i hope it comes down to some concensus

[hollow shell]

wait sent where

[tired haven]

To your mind

[hollow shell]

ok

[subtle oracle]

??? I was about to say, There is nothing new on #suggestions-voting

[earnest raptor]

@tired haven so it was just a dream?

[tired haven]

Perhaps

Most suggestions are, anyway

[hollow shell]

That's a real 😔 moment

[tired haven]

Or moment, if you think about it

thonk*

[subtle oracle]

Explains why most are rejected

Only the Rare non-dream ones are accepted

[dense nebula]

My far of dream of blowing up my dungeon with Dynamite

[pulsar jay]

@hot zephyr did you uh

forget the existence of summoner

[analog thicket]

@hearty yew good to know

[hearty yew]

:+1:

[weary walrus]

that rage suggestion sounds hot

[ashen warren]

rage is currently really conky because it increase your max health for 4 mins if you dont use it and the buff randomly activates again after it expired

i rather save rage than use its damage boosting effects

[sinful steeple]

Maybe rage could be a bar that fills up from doing damage, losing a bit when taking damage, and gives you buff effects of varying power based on how full the bar is?

And maybe once filled it can be spent to get a good buff?

That way it'd be less like adrenaline while still keeping with the theme of buffing the player(like how it gives the absolute rage buff)

[ashen warren]

I think it's better to merge rage with class levels

I don't know how to explain it

[sinful steeple]

How did you die to the like three TEoC's that like just shoot lasers at you sometimes?

They're not a threat if you don't AFK

[raw mulch]

they used the lazer attack and i did not expect it

[sinful steeple]

And you didn't expect them to shoot lasers at you more than once? I immediately saw them and thought 'hey, that's an enemy, those attack me'

[raw mulch]

that doesn't mean they should be alive after you beat the boss

[sinful steeple]

No but I'm asking how they managed to even kill you once

[raw mulch]

they used the laser attack

i was on low health

and i was just chilling after beating the boss

[sinful steeple]

You were just chilling... Despite knowing that the TEoC's would be there

[raw mulch]

i didn't

[sinful steeple]

That seems like just begging for it honestly

[raw mulch]

this is the first playthrough where this happens

[sinful steeple]

You would've, you said you died multiple times to it

Because of that

[raw mulch]

i died twice to them

once cuz i was falling and they used that dash attack thing

and once with the lasers

the laser one happened first

[sinful steeple]

The lasers you can just counter by moving, the dash attack you can just counter by moving

As long as you're not still you're fine

[raw mulch]

that still doesn't mean they should stay after the boss is defeated

because you can just look away cuz the boss dies, and boom youre dead

gotta do the boss again

[sinful steeple]

I'm not saying they should stay alive after that, I'm saying that they're not even remotely a threat and it's barely an issue

[raw mulch]

even if it is barely an issue

they should not be there

i don't see the purpose of your point entirely

[ashen warren]

Imo true eyes shouldnt despawn

they should be part of the end of the fight

like how when scal reaches 1% the projectiles dont disappear

They do disappear

projectiles

not brimstone monsters

The difference being they pose a lot less of a threat than eyes which use varying attacks

[digital saddle]

Please do not make bosses harder by making their projectiles harder to see

That's a nightmarish idea

Cryogen is already frustrating with the blizzard

[frail mantle]

well SCal's projectiles that are left over once she enters the acceptance phase usually despawn after a few seconds, and it's easier to dodge them since you don't have the lifeless motionless balls of ooga booga trying to eat your ass while you're dodging
with ML and the True Eyes not despawning, you have a trio of enemies that continue attacking you until ML's death animation finishes, not just some leftover projectiles that haven't despawned yet

[gray nebula]

doggo sprite change

@ enreden

[opal barn]

the final one

[ashen warren]

shouldnt dog be wearing the armor yharim gave him and the armor breaks off in phase 2 🤔

[gray nebula]

dev suggesting something,,, how fast will it get to 120 stars

[distant gyro]

watch as termi makes his own creation,.,.

[tired haven]

brb reporting the sug to the guardian

[tawny garden]

Oh, so @radiant meadow removed ❕ on his suggestion and didn't bother removing it on 2 suggestions above his

[radiant meadow]

how do you know that I removed it?

and I was getting to them

I was literally immediately pinged in another server

[tawny garden]

oh

ok, sorry

[digital saddle]

Out of curiosity, why not just add it yourself? Is there a reason you have to go through suggestions if you're a dev?

[weary walrus]

Should i suggest that hell lore item prevent voodoo demon from spawning?

Not a big fan of wof every time i zerg in hell

[digital saddle]

I don't think area lore items do anything generally speaking

[fervent citrus]

Reduce the amount of Aquatic Scourge's projectiles
Reason: During the fight with AS, it could spawn the clouds and fire the sandballs (?) and homing teeth very often, and sometimes this leads to way too many projectiles and enemies being in one area with the player, leading to what is probably instant death

opinions? :P

[digital saddle]

I do think the AS fight is a bit too hectic for an early hardmode boss

But I'm not sure how well that would go over with others

[fervent citrus]

i can have a fight with AS and screenshot the amount of projectiles when i die :P

just a sec

[lost agate]

If a dev suggests smth its probably just for opinions

[fervent citrus]

?

[lost agate]

As in "Do y'all actually want this or nah"

[fervent citrus]

oh

[lost agate]

Refering to what hailfail asked

[fervent citrus]

ight, sry

[digital saddle]

Idgaf about astral water but I'm fine with it I guess

[fervent citrus]

i just posted my sugg

[ashen warren]

aquatic scourge feels like an astrum deus

[fervent citrus]

in a way :P

[ashen warren]

except you cant run away from the ocean

AS toxic clouds now looks clearly?

[fervent citrus]

ye its noticeable

[ashen warren]

so your arena is limited

[fervent citrus]

even for me

[dense nebula]

@digital saddle Check the changelog, they made biome lore items stop Cysts/??? from spawning in their respective biomes.

It's reasonable to make the Hell one follow the same logic with the guide voodoo doll.

[digital saddle]

They just changed that

Yes

[ashen warren]

also Guide Voodoo Doll can be crafteable

with Leather and Evil Essence

I want Hadari to see these changelogs too

They made Super Dummies craftable at a normal anvil

isn't hard find Atlases

[radiant meadow]

I can try and apply Hell biome lore to voodoo demons

[sand umbra]

underworld lore preventing voodoo spawns

[ashen warren]

or make Clothier sells Guide Voodoo Dolls

[dense nebula]

Btw I think that's an excellent idea for the Biome lore items (making them block boss spawners) grinding for certain items becomes a nightmare in some biomes because of them.

[bitter drift]

i feel like all biomes should have lore before we add something to said biome lore items

[frail mantle]

not every biome needs a lore item

[bitter drift]

ya but if we give lore Items for biomes abilities, wouldn't this make sense to even have all lore items?

also @dense nebula 114 - Biome lore items now prevent Cysts/??? from spawning. - Done

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[dense nebula]

Yeah that's why I brought it up, I was emphasizing that it's a great idea.

Scroll up slightly, you'll notice I mentioned it earlier

[bitter drift]

so if you saw this was added before you commented why didn't you type it at #calamity-mod-talk

?

[dense nebula]

No particular reason really, didn't think it was that big of a deal.

[bitter drift]

wouldn't it be a better place for it talking about what is being added to calamity then in the chat where something that may get into calamity?

[dense nebula]

Yep.

[radiant meadow]

made underworld lore prevent voodoo demons from spawning

[tired haven]

[civic pond]

real??

😳

[ashen warren]

:echdistort:

[quick ice]

Poggers, my Purification Powder suggestion got in

[civic pond]

poggers.

[severe maple]

Epic

[ashen warren]

Noice

[pulsar jay]

bro my super dummy suggestion got in

[ashen warren]

Yeeeeees

[gusty geode]

What's the point of regular dummies now tho

[hollow shell]

Crafting Super Dummies

[radiant meadow]

do they need a purpose?

we're just uhhh

replacing it with something superior

[hollow shell]

Blame vanilla for making one of the four main classes completely unable to use Target Dummies

[radiant meadow]

I should probably add a reverse recipe

to convert it back

just in case

[hollow shell]

Ehh it's not hard to craft em

You could

s'not needed but you could

[radiant meadow]

then I shall

[hollow shell]

oki

[subtle oracle]

Wait, aren't Specific item sugg's forbidden? How was Termi allowed to make one??

[frail mantle]

cause it's not exactly an SIS

[distant gyro]

yea there's not exact name nor recipe

[frail mantle]

he's not specifying exactly how to obtain it, what its name is, its stats etc.

[radiant meadow]

I mean, alternatively, I could just go bug Iban to sprite it

[mighty knot]

@umbral tendon

[civic pond]

all classes

uh

[mighty knot]

all other classless armors have no stealth

why should astral be an exception?

[subtle oracle]

Ugh, ok

[radiant meadow]

it really was just meant to be a counterpart to your powder suggestion

since it was brought up in dev

I posted it here just to see opinions and such

but if you prefer, I can take down the suggestion

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hollow shell]

For a sec I was tryin to find what your sugg was based on and if it constituted a bluecheck
but nah I was thinking of this
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/692462437416304701

[indigo fog]

If we're giving Astral armor stealth why not do the same for Mollusk, Omega Blue, and Demonshade?

Why should Astral armor be the only classless set to give stealth?

[pulsar jay]

demonshade doesn't give stealth

[small talon]

a good suggestion to consider

[radiant meadow]

that's his point

[small talon]

Ik, but its missing details

[hollow shell]

@hallow thorn This would be a better channel: #calamity-mod-talk

[gray nebula]

hello new here I'm dad

[hot wind]

hello dad

[radiant meadow]

let's not

[terse sundial]

please don't

[hot wind]

what did i do?

[radiant meadow]

we don't need dad joke chains here.

[hot wind]

;)

[radiant meadow]

character invisiblity can be toggled next update

@split narwhal

[split narwhal]

lemme edit the sugg real quick

[glass pond]

@split narwhal Isn't that a repost from a few days ago

Also I wouldn't want to have stealth unless I'm playing rogue, I really can't agree here.

[gray nebula]

it is

[glass pond]

All the other classes work the same way, it's like saying you should have a melee boost while playing exclusively ranged without any melee accessories.

[gray nebula]

multiclassing isn't exactly supported by calamity anyways

apart from specific armors

[glass pond]

Yeah exactly

[gray nebula]

and if you want to use stealth while wearing a multiclass armor well yes, you gotta use a stealth related accessory

[glass pond]

Not like stealth strikes would be any useful without a full rogue setup

[hot zephyr]

I mean, it's al alternate playstyle

Who cares if it's useful or not, it's a Calamity all class armor, it should help all classes.

[glass pond]

what armor are we talking about

[gray nebula]

well yes

using a stealth accessory you can gain stealth even with all class armor

[glass pond]

Right now stealth is really useless though

[ashen warren]

I’m not against having a base stealth value if the player can’t gain stealth unless they are holding a rogue weapon or have a rogue set bonus active

[digital saddle]

Astral is perfectly viable for rogue

There arent a ton of genuinely worthwhile stealth strikes

[lyric eagle]

Does anyone else think that increasing the viability of sentry summon weapons would be an easy (coding-wise, compared to creating new summons with AI) way to enhance Summoner as a class in general?
I'm thinking that if the four Old One's Army accessories (Scarf, Shield, Buckler Belt) were made not-identical to each other, weakened a bit for their level, and possibly put into the crafting recipe of later Summon accessories (which would in turn be given Sentry number enhancements), we could give more agency to Summoner players by encouraging them to use Sentries as part of the main gameplay rather than what feels right now like an afterthought.

Additionally, giving post Moon-Lord Summoner armor sets a Sentry number buff could be another way to make this work

[terse sundial]

Summoner is getting a ton of new accessories and minions next update

I would wait until after the update is posted for this suggestion

[radiant meadow]

a ton is like 4, but yes

[lyric eagle]

Thank you for your advice. The idea came to me yesterday, but I did hear about the Summoner enhancements coming out with the next update.

[radiant meadow]

err 5

[lyric eagle]

My idea was designed to be as simple as possible for the devs, 0 new sprites and 0 new minions, just enhancements of redundant accessories and possible buffs for current ones.

[terse sundial]

@ashen warren specific item suggestions aren't currently allowed

[mighty knot]

@ashen warren no specific items

[pulsar jay]

SIS

[quick ice]

^

[pulsar jay]

BAN

he's like nine

[bitter drift]

alert! ALERT! specific Item suggestion found, please delete imidiatly!

[vocal grotto]

[terse sundial]

please do not meme in this channel

[quick ice]

Relax guys, he’s probably just new to the server

[bitter drift]

what meme is that?

i wasn't attempting to meme at all

[hollow shell]

"meme" is interchangeable with "joke" pretty much

[quick ice]

Meming is just acting foolishly/like a 🤡 for no reason

[bitter drift]

sounds like you can't even agree what a meme is ://

[vocal grotto]

Yeah, the "alert! ALERT! specific Item suggestion found, please delete imidiatly!" and "BAN he's like nine" don't really help the situation

[hollow shell]

but w/e
Yeah that suggestion is somewhat specific and doesn't have enough reason to it

[pulsar jay]

[bitter drift]

rover, enough? he doesn't have any reason typed in the suggestion

[pulsar jay]

why a golem head of all things anyway

there are cooler summons to get out of that

like a lihzard

[bitter drift]

i guess he wanted a post golem summon

[pulsar jay]

or something

[bitter drift]

understandable as post golem is the 2nd hardest spot is summon calamity

[quick ice]

I mean like
Summoner and Acid Rain updates coming out tomorrow, wait till that’s out to suggest more summons

[bitter drift]

after DoGG

wait the update is coming out tomorrow?!

[wooden wedge]

yes

[quick ice]

Yes, that’s April 1st

[wooden wedge]

april 1st is tomorrow

[bitter drift]

peck

i have yet to finish my ranger 4.0 run xD

[wooden wedge]

ok cool

don't know what that has to do with anything though?

[hollow shell]

s'fine

[bitter drift]

update mid game

[wooden wedge]

sir this is sugg disc

[bitter drift]

yaaaa probably we have gone out of topic

[hollow shell]

There are going to be more post-Golem summons next update so yeah this sugg doesn't have a lot going for it

[bitter drift]

good

[radiant meadow]

I just realized what summon item meant

I thought he wanted to summon the npc or something

like a boss summon

[bitter drift]

xD n o

summon weapons is another name for it

[quick ice]

Wait to any mod paying attention here, do you think that’s the #suggestions-voting should get closed for tomorrow?
Cause the channels going to become super active after the update with plenty of people making suggestions without having played with the content for long enough, so by closing it for a day you’d be encouraging people to take some time and play through the update before making suggestions

[bitter drift]

100%

[hollow shell]

Ehhh

[wooden wedge]

nah

[bitter drift]

close it for tomarrow

[hollow shell]

I dunno

[radiant meadow]

only admins can adjust perms

[wooden wedge]

I don't think that should happen

[bitter drift]

ya

[radiant meadow]

but I think it'll be fine

[wooden wedge]

if they want to play the update they can play it

[bitter drift]

but i do think this should happen to not suggest stuff

[radiant meadow]

if people are uninformed, I yell at them

[wooden wedge]

suggesting is the whole point of this place

wh

[quick ice]

Alright

[wooden wedge]

and it's not like suggs was closed any other update

and none of us died

[vocal grotto]

I doubt it'd get so bad it'd need to be closed

What will likely happen is that dumb suggs will be destroyed

And nothing more

[wooden wedge]

so any other business day

[quick ice]

It wasn’t, which is why I know that this chat explodes right after the update with a fair amount of dumb Suggs

[vocal grotto]

In terms of moderation, basically

Just heightened activity

[quick ice]

B’yeah, you’re right that it never gets too terrible after the update

[lyric eagle]

Opinions on giving the Pocket Mirror more functionality? Ex. being crafted into the Asgard's Valor tree. Conversely, since no mobs inflict Petrification other than medusae, this might not be necessary at all (Even if this seems like something people are interested in, I won't post the suggestion right away, I'll wait a week or something maybe).

[hollow shell]

Considering the rarity of the debuff I don't think it's really worth it to put it into Asgard's Valor

[radiant meadow]

so make the debuff more common

[hollow shell]

Basically just telling people to go farm Medusas they wouldn't normally farm

[queen delta]

Make Sepulcher not delete projectiles from weapons that take a long time to charge up, like Yharim's Crystal.
thoughts?

[radiant meadow]

levi meteors now petrify the player

✅

[pulsar jay]

why does the pocket mirror even exist

such a waste of an accessory

[lyric eagle]

I mean, I would go for more common petrification monsters

[radiant meadow]

blacklisting crystal type weapons is easy

[lyric eagle]

because dying of petrified falling is scary

[radiant meadow]

I asked if I should do it

but didn't get a response

[queen delta]

time to ask again iirc

[lyric eagle]

I remember dying to it as a kid playing vanilla, and I avoided marble biomes for maybe a year after

[vocal grotto]

Maybe someone will temporarily put it on in the marble biome

But nobody would ever use it as a long-term accessory

[radiant meadow]

merging abaddon and pocket mirror is a possiblity

[lyric eagle]

Another use could be as a crafting reagent for a weapon that inflicts petrification, but then it's still too niche and probably a lot more work than it would be worth

[wary canyon]

@ashen warren specific items is a Don't

[radiant meadow]

huh?

[hollow shell]

Brimstone Flames is a lot more common than Petrified

(also that's already deletd)

[radiant meadow]

but who wears abaddon outside of clone fight

[vocal grotto]

...inflicting petrification?

[hollow shell]

It'd still craft into Asgard's Valor

[vocal grotto]

That sounds like it'd become a case of the confused debuff

Only working on like 20% of enemies

[radiant meadow]

petrification would probably be a silva stun clone

[lyric eagle]

again, it comes back around to if the devs would want to implement enough petrification-inflicting monsters to make the combo worth existing.

[vocal grotto]

Also it'd require custom sprites

[hollow shell]

I feel like the annoyance of farming Medusas would be higher than the uncommon threat of Petrified

Sorry, Stoned

[radiant meadow]

so when do we add more enemies to inflict stoned

[lyric eagle]

I was thinking a eutroph clone that knocks flying common enemies to the ground, but again, more trouble than it's worth probably

giving this thing a purpose is becoming a thought experiment.

[radiant meadow]

tbh

I'm surprised blindfold and pocket mirror don't make an accessory together

to be added to ankh charm

[lyric eagle]

in vanilla pocket mirror was implemented after ankh shield, so that's why

[radiant meadow]

they can adjust old recipes though

[serene thorn]

I'd like to suggest fixing the primrose keepsake because it doesn't work, am I the only one with this issue?

[robust lava]

That’s more of a bug than a suggestion. Are you using Fargo’s by any chance?

[serene thorn]

Ah, yes. I see, that's the cause of the bug?

[robust lava]

Yeah, seemingly Fargo’s makes that item not work, for whatever reason

[serene thorn]

I see. That's a bummer, as it combines my 2 absolute favorite pets. I guess I can have them both once I get enough enchantments tho 😆

[indigo fog]

Fargo's Mutant Mod or Soul Mod?

[serene thorn]

I believe it's the soul mod that would cause that issue

I mean it kinda makes sense, as fargo's has both of those pets in enchantments