we have giant clam and fishing rewards
#suggestions-discussion
indigo fog
bitter drift
try this:
give us the ability to summon the opposing biome mimic
hollow shell
and Mollusk Husks
unreal sparrow
No. A different boss. Perhaps maybe late hardmode/post moonlord.
hollow shell
Hadari pretty much does say that
indigo fog
yeah mollusk husks need more uses
hollow shell
Also boss suggestions aren't allowed
distant gyro
that would make it a boss sug
hollow shell
As in, suggestions to add any new bosses to the game
unreal sparrow
Oh, ok.
pulsar jay
i combined two suggestions to save myself from typing for two years
and also because they're very related to eachother
hollow shell
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pallid brook
fargo mutant mod deviantt
pulsar jay
let's not use other mods to patch what we're missing
pallid brook
its less of what we are missing and more of what the base game is missing.
pulsar jay
fair
pallid brook
and Fargo does a good job at getting all of the hard to get mobs farmable, and I think most players are using Fargo. thus its better to let another mod that solves the problem and related problems than to add more solutions thus creating clutter.
hollow shell
@unreal sparrow That's a Specific Item Suggestion, which isn't allowed
Also, the reason solely being that it is a reference to something is also not allowed
Look at the Suggestion Don'ts document in pins.
pulsar jay
I don't have the space to get fargo
unreal sparrow
Is it also against the rules to suggest cross mod content?
hollow shell
Only if it's Calamity-themed Healer/Bard items (from Thorium), then it's against the rules (cuz that got suggested a lot in the past)
Otherwise, yes it is allowed.
As long as it's got good reasons behind it, of course
unreal sparrow
So like a crossmode thing for Calamity/redemption is ok?
pallid brook
what if it is removal of specific summoning items when Fargo is present?
hollow shell
Yes, those are both fine
The latter has in fact been suggested before
Delivered and approved, even
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/654005136279994393
pallid brook
just to toss out a weird idea, fishing in the sea has a chance of spawning the giant clam
hollow shell
Giant Clam is already a decently common spawn
pallid brook
but last time i looked its only in the sunken sea, i was thinking putting it out in the seas as to fix their weirdness
hollow shell
Oh...
That wouldn't really work lore-wise
Sunken Sea is supposed to be an isolated environment
pallid brook
so a relative of the clam?
hollow shell
pf
hallow kraken
Wouldn’t this just make fishing more annoying than it already is
pallid brook
it would probably function like duke fishron in that it needs a specific kind of bait, likely given by the fisher as a reward.
hollow shell
The question is: Why?
hallow kraken
Sounds kinda like a miniboss sug which I’m not sure how close is to a boss sug
pallid brook
because the lore makes it seem that there is something outside of the sunken sea that is related to those inside it
distant gyro
@pallid brook @hollow shell I believe we already have a workaround for that, introducing the SellBossSummons config
so yea the suggestion is not necessarily completed upon request
but you can turn it off now
hollow shell
True, I completely forgot about that option
pallid brook
you see i thought for a second i thought you were talking about the clam and was confused 
distant gyro
pallid brook
so is this about the Fargo/Calamity interaction?
pallid brook
sounds kinda iffy as crafting and the tablet drops would probably still exist right?
pallid brook
and fargo currently lacks most of the boss summons that calamity has.
hollow shell
It does?
wooden wedge
doesn't it have all of them though?
hollow shell
iirc it has all of them and even adds some
radiant meadow
fargo support for calamity is coming next update
pallid brook
^
radiant meadow
the mutant mod that is
hollow shell
Oh did something weird happen recently?
radiant meadow
Ozz did it a week or two ago
queen sail
It’s missing some bc some calam summons are infinite iirc
radiant meadow
it's all mod calls now
distant gyro
radiant meadow
it's no longer done on fargo's end. having mutant sell shit
hollow shell
Ah interesting
hollow shell
Probably coming later
small talon
Cross mod content has a less than 1% chance of happening
iirc the only time it happened was with thorium and rev/death health pool changes
hollow shell
You could suggest this to the Mod of Redemption people and it may have some chance of happening there too
(Also there's Maso compatibility for boss AI changes)
small talon
didnt know about that one cuz i dont play fargo
unreal sparrow
Ok.
pallid brook
dbz and fargo souls mod have compatibility
there are tons of examples of cross compat
hollow shell
Fargo's is a mod all about compatibility
Calamity
is not
It's not that hard to do on a technical level, it's whether the devs will bother to do it
sturdy geyser
Seperate content mods generally stay seperate
pallid brook
technically libraries are mods themselves.🤔
smoky wagon
that pbg suggestion is why sprite suggestions should be banned
bc people who find a fancy sprite slap it in the channel with no greater context whatsoever
hollow shell
It is indeed ass
but don't worry I've got a plan for it
and by that I mean I'm just gonna not deliver it and mention it to the devs instead
smoky wagon
like yes its a cool sprite, unfort devs cant use it bc there was an issue with the spritemaker
hollow shell
Not anymore.
smoky wagon
pallid brook
wait what is going on here
hollow shell
Talkin about Calamitous Witch's sugg
frail mantle
i mean i'm guessing the devs have some other reason for not using the sprite even if they have permission
hollow shell
We do
smoky wagon
originally there was an issue, but now im assuming the devs have a new design for pbg in mind
hollow shell
.. kinda
smoky wagon
like a new concept art
hollow shell
some devs do want it implemented, others do not
west prairie
ah, there it is
smoky wagon
i wouldnt mind that sprite being used, its just very dumb to post it in the suggestions channel
west prairie
i was aware that the dev team was not a monolith
hollow shell
It's not a basic simple disagreement over the appearance, BlackHand
There are other reasons
but, dev team stuff
west prairie
well then i have no idea why
hollow shell
Indeed
west prairie
theres no reason to think that the boss is getting removed altogether so it isnt that, and I dont think the plague itself would get reworked
hollow shell
Yeah actually we're removing PBG. You got it.
Boss not needed, giving it the boot.
smoky wagon
👢 
pallid brook
west prairie
the sprite has a lot of issues anyways
design is good but there are some technique problems
gusty geode
Tbh I don't think PBG needed a resprite to begin with
It's mechanized QB, why shouldn't it look the part
hollow shell
Yeah the big problem with the current sprite is that it's in 4x4
We don't have it shown on the wiki cuz it looks like dogshit
frail mantle
current PBG is an upscaled Plaguebringer with red eyes and while i do agree that it should get a resprite, i don't think it should be Ziggums'
west prairie
the pbg posted would be a vast improvement, but it would already look old and in need of touchups
hollow shell
(correction: Plaguebringers are downscaled PBGs)
small talon
Not to mention your shitting on the person who made the current sprite
frail mantle
oh
west prairie
we're pointing out issues not shitting on things
gusty geode
Isn't that the point tho
That they're the same thing but one is stronger
hollow shell
Yeah Calamitous Witch is really not.. the best person
They refused to change their suggestion even after being told why and how to change it
small talon
im talking about suggesting sprite changes
i would agree with them getting on the donts list
hollow shell
Nah I don't thing requesting a resprite is inherently shitting on the current spriter
Most of the time the spriter is aware of the issues or it was made several years ago
west prairie
^
hollow shell
(if you're suggesting a resprite or revert of something brand new then yeah you're being a dick)
gusty geode
I was about to suggest reverting the PBG sprite tbh
What with the fact that it's so bad it isn't even being put on the wiki
frail mantle
tbh whether resprite suggs should be bannedn't should depend on the reasoning itself
split narwhal
How many suggs was posted in this short time frame?I can't believe it
hollow shell
(ikr)
Also keyword is "brand new", Squid
Current PBG sprite is from 2018 or maybe even 2017
lemme check
frail mantle
if there's actually good reasoning then yes, they should allowed, but if it's what's the case with Cal's sugg (i.e. essentially just being sproot bad change it lol) it really scronches my feelies
hollow shell
split narwhal
who did that sprite btw
hollow shell
Blockaroz did current
Not only is he not on the dev team anymore, he's not even in any Calamity servers anymore
frail mantle
the one Cal posted or current peanut butter gamer
split narwhal
the current one
hollow shell
@unreal sparrow Jungle Crates
They contain Maneater Bulbs
I knew it was in the mod somewhere, I forgot it till now
bitter drift
should this have a blue check?
indigo fog
no
bluechecks are only for suggs that were delivered before
not for ones that are suggested before
hollow shell
His original didn't reach 120 stars, and was posted 10 days ago
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/688499332076666932
bitter drift
this was how ever suggested before
hollow shell
So he can resuggest it for a chance to get delivered again
ashen warren
Are they as soon as you get into Hardmode?
indigo fog
yes
ashen warren
Because I know Mothron wings give similar types of boosts
ashen warren
Therefore Mothron wings are later in progression
lyric eagle
could just make them be a levi/siren drop. It would fit with the rest of their loot.
If you want it early from angler, go ahead and put yourself through the suffering that's doing his wretched quests. otherwise, get it from the boss that drops other high-tier angler loot
indigo fog
Fin wings aren't that good compared to the wings at that tier
lyric eagle
then Aquatic Scourge? It also drops fishing stuff.
radiant meadow
should we just ban resprite suggestions altogether?
because spriting and stuff is done in art
and while there are a couple of spriters who look in the dev suggestions chat, I don't think that's the way to go about getting a resprite
frail mantle
i wouldn't be against it, though i feel some resprite suggs are okay if they're reasoned well and not just "sprite bad. fix. 
"
indigo fog
boss health is already a config
radiant meadow
suggesting to resprite something for thematics is fine ig
frail mantle
also about fighting early bosses but buffed to endgame levels is uh
radiant meadow
but ye, sprite being subjectively bad is not good
frail mantle
[[Boss Rush]]
red stormBOT
ashen warren
it is kiiinda getting annoying w/ the suggs about it which inevitably deteriorates into sprite bashing 
distant gyro
ech
well, it's a bad practice in general to be bashing something in your sugg
one way or another
frail mantle
maybe make a rule stating something like "Sprite suggestions aren't allowed if all they are is just make this thing look better"
wooden wedge
especially true when there's a sugg that is "sprite bad replace it with an unfinsihed one pleaaaseee"
ashen warren
mfw we cant react with ❕ anymore
distant gyro
interesting
wooden wedge
never noticed that tbh
distant gyro
yea I never touched it so I couldn't have ever known
hollow shell
Early game bosses with endgame stats is already a thing in the Boss Rush
Also, boss health can be edited already via the config options
@viscid dagger
pulsar jay
should iron heart DoG drop the plush?
hollow shell
It doesn't but it should
frail mantle
yea
hallow kraken
epic reason
civic pond
epic reason.
hollow shell
okay
hollow shell
That's
kind of a minor non-important thing
frail mantle
"cause looks bad"
ashen warren
We found another one boys
hollow shell
@strong minnow We'd appreciate something with a bit more substance than "crappy" and "isn't as good"
strong minnow
yeah sorry, i couldnt find a different word
i chanced it hope it helps
maybe you have a better word for it
hollow shell
Is it the fact that it's so dark and low contrast?
Is it the lack of a background?
hollow shell
I think those two factors contribute to it being bland, yeah
hollow shell
The other logos have somewhat brighter colors or greater contrast at least
and they all have something of a background (CTP is just a colored one but still)
You can edit it. I'd appreciate it if you described the issues rather than summarizing them all in one word
strong minnow
yeah bland, the lack of colour
Update the calamity giveaways discord's logo
Because right now it looks bland and I don't find it as good as this discord's or texture packs discord's logos
does this work
strong minnow
im bad at dragging out the meaning
im only good at compressing it into a few words
and my issue is just that it doesnt catch my eye as mutch as the other logos
hollow shell
"Compared to the other Calamity discord logos, the Giveaway discord's logo is somewhat bland and boring. It's dark, low contrast, and lacks a background. It could be edited to be more eyecatching, to stand out more like the other discords' logos do."
(that middle sentence being the key one)
strong minnow
im in a r6s match rn ill fix it when i finish
wooden wedge
bruh
hollow shell
ok
(You can just copypaste what I said if you want. I don't mind)
wooden wedge
or just not sugg in the middle of r6s
hollow shell
Sure
strong minnow
all good?
hollow shell
Looks aight
wooden wedge
rover's gonna do a trick
unkempt bolt
just means it gets sent to the devs
indigo fog
rover's gonna do a trick
what trick
wooden wedge
a sick backflip
hollow idol
zenith hazel
it’s not gonna be sent that easily since it still has a checkmark
so like it’s gonna sit there till the end of time
wooden wedge
civic pond
Epically do nothing
teal ibex
**Announcement from Rover: **
All users found reacting positively to the PBG sprite suggestion will be banned from suggestions effective immediately.
wooden wedge
peanut butter gamer is a good ytuber
hollow idol
Ozz starred it tho 
wooden wedge
ozz did star it
wooden wedge
how sad
teal ibex
oh darn, later ozz 
queen delta
ok time to react with a thumbs up
hollow shell
There we go
It has now been deleted cuz it was garbage and Witch refused to edit it
indigo fog
good
hollow shell
It has been informally "delivered" in the dev server
zenith hazel
although it was already brought up before the sugg was made
hollow shell
This is true
zenith hazel
so like that was kinda pointless
hollow shell
I thought it's what caused Iban to bring it up but nah, just a coincidence I guess
tepid wadi
indigo fog
that sugg reached 120 in less than a day
wooden wedge
it did
paper hinge
the hecc happened here
wooden wedge
bad sugg got 120 stars
indigo fog
this
hollow shell
bad sugg then got yeeted
indigo fog
it got deleted when it reached 120
radiant meadow
that's how delivery works
gusty geode
Regarding that man eater sug
There are a lot of changes that save you from poor RNG
Then there's changes that save you from your own poor planning skills
This is the latter
hollow shell
Requesting resprites is now a Don't.
This has been requested by other devs in the past, but I've always been reluctant. After this, though, now it's been made.
teal ibex
@gusty geode you really should stop insulting people for having a different opinion than you, your aggressive take on the idea that severe punishments are a requirement of game design is just that: an opinion. please allow other people to have their opinions. punishing people for not knowing a prehardmode ingredient is required in hardmode, and therefore wasting their time for not planning multiple hours in advance, is not good game design. it's unintuitive and restricts all but those who spend their time researching just as often as playing.
i don't like targeting people out of the pack but i've seen you do it so often and i really wish you would just present your opinion without degrading the ideas of others.
honestly, i've had multiple occasions where i've agreed with your point, but not the way that you've made it. there are plenty of suggestions that do basically ask people to not play the game, and those aren't ones that i agree with. but this one is fine -- so why are you saying that his situation is due to "your own poor planning skills"?
gusty geode
Guide
Has a function specifically so you do know in advance you may need something later
But regardless, I'm sorry I keep coming off like that, I'll try to work on it
wooden wedge
isn't the guide horribly outdated though?
teal ibex
i mean, guide has the function but he couldn't do it in a more frustrating way. i'd have to spend hours curating each of his lines for information and writing it down in a notepad
sleek wadi
Not the wiki guide, the NPC.
wooden wedge
that's what I meant
wooden wedge
death
teal ibex
but yeah, if you could just scrape out the derogatory remarks then i have no issue with alternate takes on punishing design
hollow shell
How would you know that Maneater Bulbs are in the Living Dew recipe if the only pre-HM ingredient for Living Dew is Murky Paste
That's the only thing you could put in the guide to learn about that
And who the fuck uses the Guide?
wooden wedge
especially on modded
pulsar jay
i use the guide
wooden wedge
where recipe browser is like the top mod
pulsar jay
if I'm not on the go and I'm at home I don't use recipe browser
gusty geode
Aren't Man Eaters pre-hardmode enemies
pulsar jay
i use the guide
pulsar jay
i respect him for how much he helped me on my vanilla playthroguhs
hollow shell
Yes
But this suggestion is predicated on the unfortunate situation that you did not get enough Maneater Bulbs to craft Living Dew
You only need 2
wooden wedge
he's semi useful in vanilla for the crafting recipes only
hollow shell
so you potentially have 0
ashen warren
Mirage jellyfish drop all jelly accessories because choosing to farm for it later is already theoretically a time waste to begin with and should not be more punishing than it already is
pulsar jay
why make mirage jellies drop each jelly
why not just
have them drop the grand gelatin itself
wooden wedge
to make you spend more than 2 seconds on it
wooden wedge
also yeah it is a pretty good point
hollow idol
for the new rule:
what if the resprite suggestion is justified like something like “change the yellow on the Mauler to the color of the sulfur sea since the color can be considered outdated” for example
hollow shell
Hm
pulsar jay
piss sea
ashen warren
Okay but I never seen that with resprite suggs
hollow shell
Yeaah I guess I can add that as a caveat
pulsar jay
imagine if sulohuric sea inflicted ichor
teal ibex
yeah i'd exempt "fixes" like the sulph sea bubbles from ages ago
ashen warren
hollow shell
The reason should not be based on quality. But being based on things like consistency, or if the fix is only minor, that's okay
pulsar jay
i mean that suggestion could work if they didn't go asshole mode and just say "sprite shit!"
ashen warren
Just ban “shit sprite pls fix”
wooden wedge
they did
teal ibex
well no, even successful, respectful suggestions don't work
they always get stars, they always get to dev server, and they always stay there for months
hollow idol
~~also my only suggestion ever which got indirectly accepted was to change a sprite so ~~
teal ibex
because it's not a priority for spriters unless they're already working on it, in which case the suggestion is still unnecessary
pulsar jay
if it was like
The Plaguebringer Goliath sprite is starting to become outdated, it looks fine, but looking closer at it it's more of a recolored plaguebringer with an extra antennae.
Here's this sprite:
[sprite]
This sprite gives PBG jets and a bit more distinctive look, signifying more thay it's more than just a larger plageubringer, but is actually something special from them
what would you say then
smoky wagon
sprites are submitted through the art server
if you made your own pbg sprite then submit it there
hollow idol
like would something like this be considered banned now (just curious)
hollow shell
Well no
smoky wagon
the worse sprite suggestions are either 1) asking for the implementation of a specific sprite or 2) just saying a existing sprite is bad with no explanation
hollow shell
Because if you yourself did the resprite, it should go in the #sprite_submissions channel in the art server
If you're trying to suggest someone else's sprite get in the mod, that's a really weird situation and will probably not go over well
vocal grotto
Well, with sprites, they'll inevitably be altered to fit the mod's standards at the time if they're bad.
Just a matter of time
And devs can request specific sprites if they're needed in art. Or just ask other devs that are spriters in the dev server
ashen warren
where can I find Calamity art server
wooden wedge
ashen warren
Okay thx
wooden wedge
I don't really see why info has servers that other servers doesn't have
indigo fog
i guess #other-discords is mainly for separate mod servers
void kelp
oh, did someone do smth abt the resprite sugmas that boil down completely down to "art bad"
radiant meadow
no longer allowed
wooden wedge
yeah
void kelp
now in the doc?
hollow shell
ye
void kelp
nice!
hollow shell
(Near the top)
fervent citrus
Damn some suggs reached 120 votes 
lost agate
A logo for giveaways would be nice
Its kind of just
Booger calamity with a black bg
tepid root
giveaway server kinda dead anyways 
subtle oracle
What do they GIVE away there anyway?? Socks?
subtle oracle
As it should
indigo fog
rover deleted it when it reached 120 stars
fervent citrus
Byeah, they gave away mousepads recently
Here i am, planning, working on my suggs, so they sound as good as possible, and i almost never reach 120 votes, but then he comes along, saying 'resprite' and getting 120 votes almost instantly 
subtle oracle
The Undesired sugs tend to get more stars than the ones that are allowed yeah
fervent citrus
pulsar jay
hm
that tells me something
are people unhappy with the mod? Are the changes people are allowed suggest not enough for them?
how ungrateful
lost agate
wot
tired haven
Indeed, but that's to be expected
Almost every type of suggestion that is not encouraged is either too common to be fulfilled properly (e. g. SIS), or cannot be fulfilled at all (usually very high effort)
So it may seem for people that suggestions don't help in what they want to happen
lost agate
or just that people were hyped for that resprite
whiiiich kinda got thrown into the bin
ashen warren
I imagine some people think that the only thing you’re allowed to suggest at this point is minor changes to a weapon(s) or mechanic(s) in the game
tired haven
That's true, actually
And that's probably about the best it can get for the mod itself: those suggestions are relevant to the current state of the game and their impact is quite high for the low/middle effort they require
ashen warren
On one hand it does kind of succ given that it filters out potentially great ideas on the basis of being complicated, even though nuance is generally good.
But on another it makes sense why such a measure would exist. Too many great big ideas thrust about, and the mod loses direction.
tired haven
Yeah. And another gripe is, a lot of people think their suggestions are great enough to be implemented (hell, I am one of the brightest examples for that). There is simply not enough resources for all those "great enough" ideas to be done and a lot will be taken down.
And yet another way to put that is: the bigger the idea, the more details people/devs find for themselves to disagree. Small ideas like "lava immunity items should also give heat immunity" cause almost no conflict
hollow shell
(In contrast to "Rework the rogue class to give it more of an identity")
digital saddle
Zerg pot is still pretty insane
tepid root
whats the point of having them more balanced if you can just toggle it
hollow shell
@strange lake If you just want to experience that chaos again, go download Luiafk and use its "Ultimate Battler"
It's the same effect as old Zerg
tepid root
ultimate battler is actually stronger than old zerg iirc
ashen warren
Enough stuff has been said about BrInG OlD ZeRg BaCk and it seems pretty clear to me that it’s not happening.
tepid root
it boosts shit to the max
digital saddle
I wish zen literally disabled spawns
hollow shell
Ultimate Peaceful
fervent citrus
disable enemy spawns
ashen warren
Cheat sheet
fervent citrus
Ye that 
ashen warren
Cheat sheet literally has spawn rate options from 0x to 30x normal
tired haven
0.25x but yeah
fervent citrus
Prob is, people prolly wont use cheat sheet
wooden wedge
why doesn't cheat sheet have a x0 option
tired haven
(hero's mod has analogue of 0x but yknow)
strange lake
Disabled enemy spawns potion, aka, you can now build in hell without fire bats touching you every second potion
digital saddle
I hate luiafk honestly
fervent citrus
Thats what i said 
Well, i mean the heros mod spawn rate disable option
I used luiafk before
strange lake
I use cheatsheet, so I don't really know what luiafk and heros mod are like
tepid root
hero's mod is like cheat sheet+
fervent citrus
The only reason i use luiafk is for the autohellevator and subway builder
tired haven
I always use cheatsheet and hero's in duo
Both have their pluses and don't really conflict
tepid root
just use fargo's for those
fervent citrus
Fargo has an autohellevator? 
tepid root
yea instavator
strange lake
Wouldn't my zerg suggestion still be a good idea for multiplayer? For obvious reasons, leaving a cheat mod enabled has risks
fervent citrus
Damn i didnt know
ashen warren
I use luiafk so I can always have buffs I’ll need for boss fights anyway and to build platforms fast, sue me
fervent citrus
Try the chaos and water candle + zerg + battle pot combo 
tired haven
aka "don't you love 200 slimes near your safety box"
strange lake
I do zerg + chaos + water, but it's not quite the solid mass of enemies zerg that I had
fervent citrus
Slimes on platforms during sandstorm farming are
hollow idol
add battle too smh
gusty geode
If old Zerg were to be brought back
I'd have it be as a challenge item
Maybe to balance it out enemies would no longer drop anything while it's active
Or at the very least drops would be rarer
Kinda like with statues
tired haven
That kinda defeats the purpose
fervent citrus
What would be the use then?
tired haven
(or was that your entire intent; to make it "le funny orde" thing?)
strange lake
What about a nerf that only removes their coin drops?
fervent citrus
That makes it like iron heart, a challenge only a few do
strange lake
The old zerg was definitely a "free money" scheme when used right, so removing the coin drops would make it purely farming for other drops
zenith hazel
sensing a trend with these config suggestions
tired haven
Tbf iron heart is bootleg hardcore which isn't popular idea in first place
hollow idol
how about make it insta kill you if an enemy hurts you
fervent citrus
Sounds fun
tired haven
bruh
fervent citrus
Altho i like the music box config sugg
hollow idol
talking about old zerg thing not iron heart btw
fervent citrus
split narwhal
@languid quartz you can wear music boxes as an accessory
hollow shell
^
tired haven
Yeah, I figured
small talon
@languid quartz if you just want to listen to something without having to use a accessory slot try the "Better Music Boxes" mod, it makes music boxes work in the vanity slots
hollow shell
Alternatively, you can turn music off and listen to them online
languid quartz
hrm
small talon
still works, just put it in the vanity slot
tired haven
Music boxes override bossfights
hollow shell
If they're in vanity slots, that won't affect your stats at all
small talon
a very simple but very nice mod
hollow shell
If you have that mod
small talon
with the mod yeah
languid quartz
oh
split narwhal
the mod makes it so
fervent citrus
Ah, k
split narwhal
normally they work only in accessory slots
languid quartz
Don't you have to wear the accessory to record the theme in the first place?
fervent citrus
Yep
split narwhal
yes, you have to wear a blank music box
fervent citrus
flashbacks of fighting BoC for 45 minutes
strange lake
There's a music box mod that gives you a new UI, like a separate inventory, that lets you stick every music box into it (including modded), and then you can play it like a playlist
fervent citrus
Thats cool :O
tired haven
Imagine if you could wear multiple music boxes to increase chances of recording a track but naturally reducing your survivability
tired haven
Don't think so?
languid quartz
yeah
small talon
whats the name
fervent citrus
I thought of that before but then remembered you cant wear same accessory
tired haven
That's just the idea lel
split narwhal
Wearing multiple same accessories is illegal
strange lake
For every music box you wear, there is an increasing risk of only recording Old One's Army music
tired haven
Because of what luminite ore said
fervent citrus
laughs in 3 hermes boots
split narwhal
Might as well wear 7 worm scarfs or 4 frozen turtle shells
languid quartz
hermes boots don't scale by percent tho, so wouldn't it be pointless?
tired haven
Nah, the obvious meta is 7 blood pacts
fervent citrus
languid quartz
the worm scarfs would cus thats 70% dr
split narwhal
7*2.5 =17.5 times btw
fervent citrus
7 campers >:D
strange lake
Fun fact, if you use a mod that lets you wear the same acc multiple times, you can wear 2 Heart-of-the-Elements and generate an infinitely dense laser beam of pure death and destruction. I've done it myself
languid quartz
hrm in revengance calamity it's 10% dr
tired haven
The catch is that triggering 7 crits at once is far less likely
tired haven
It is 10% dr in calamity
languid quartz
yeah
fervent citrus
Damn a mod that allows several of same accessories equipped would be dope
languid quartz
It would be fun to mess with
fervent citrus
Def op but whatever
tired haven
https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Vanilla_changes#Mechanics scarf and frozen shell are right under that title
languid quartz
very cool
split narwhal
there's one mod that allows you to have accessories in vanity slot work like normal
tired haven
Ah yes, antisocial
languid quartz
oh cool
tired haven
it's named that because you'd lose all friends if you use it
languid quartz
very true
fervent citrus
Not much of a change for me then
tired haven
But anyway, we kinda went offtop
fervent citrus
Sooo what were we sayin?
languid quartz
something something music box mod?
fervent citrus
Ah yes, music box config
strange lake
Right, to get back on topic: zerg and music box suggestions
fervent citrus
And that
tired haven
Omnipowerful music boxes that are already done by a separate mod thankfully
strange lake
To my non-programmer monkey brain, my idea sounds pretty easy to implement, but I don't know
languid quartz
@strange lake you mentioned a fancier mod for music box stuff?
tired haven
It is easy to implement technically
But on practice it conflicts with balance change done in the past
And most balance things don't ever have configs in this mod, for mildly obvious reasons
split narwhal
Wasn't zerg buffed already in recent updates or am I missing something
hollow idol
indeed
fervent citrus
It prolly was, not sure
languid quartz
I haven't really used zerg recently so I dunno
strange lake
Bronze, the mod is called tMusicPlayer
hollow idol
Tbh explicitely mention old zerg on the list of dont suggest old features when
languid quartz
lol
fervent citrus
Pin that message :P
languid quartz
how much different was old zerg than the new?
like a massive mob cap nerf or something?
ashen warren
something like that ye
languid quartz
interesting
languid quartz
Well that escalated quickly
tired haven
Mob cap is about the same as the old one iirc
It was spawning power that reduced tremendously
languid quartz
so it doesn't spawn as fast is the nerf?
tired haven
Yes
languid quartz
Cool
tired haven
(which is what matters the most when you use that potion, so it's a serious change)
languid quartz
yeah for sure
hollow idol
The original suggestion to nerf Zerg said something like “Make a line of potions that builds up to Zerg from Battle potions” and that turned into beating Zerg into the ground apparently
fervent citrus
Oof
languid quartz
cuz if you're farming for the rod of discord you don't want to wait for 10 minutes for tons of mobs to spawn
hollow idol
you can craft RoD
fervent citrus
sugg: make RoD drop from starter bag
split narwhal
Honestly with a proper arena for farming zerg is very powerful but who builds farming arenas nowadays
hollow idol
languid quartz
although the drop chance is 2% for the rod from chaos elementals
tired haven
Hmm? It is either 0.2% or 5% without/with defiled
tired haven
Well 2% is 10 times higher
tired haven
sleek wadi
Can't you AFK farm RoD or does Calamity have a counter to that?
split narwhal
you can in vanilla as far as I'm aware
ashen warren
You can craft RoD an Calamity iirc
sleek wadi
A safety box with some lava means you can just leave it running and it'll drop eventually.
tired haven
Well you sure can afk farm in calamity (except maybe some nasty DM changes to mobs)
tired haven
Enchanted Swords likely will impale you for heresy like that
Altho speccing into summoner may or may not kill them faster than they wind up
sleek wadi
Just set spawn point in box lul
languid quartz
holy music intensifies
fervent citrus
Heros mod
tired haven
just don't get rod at all, play intended game 
split narwhal
use recall potions instead smh
languid quartz
the rod's my go-to for Scal and ML either way
it's really handy for the bullet hells and the death beam
languid quartz
yeah
hollow idol
just take the hits
hollow idol
Nohitters who
tired haven
Dunno about scal but fighting ML without rod certainly is feasible if you don't runaway 24/7 in one direction
languid quartz
epic death montage music intensifies
split narwhal
nohitters are already suffering with the new rod nerf
fervent citrus
Why wpuld they nerf it tho?
languid quartz
true ig, but if you are at his body you're getting hammered with projectiles from his hands+ the true eyes
fervent citrus
Thats like the last thing one wanted
digital saddle
Do you guys think yharon could use a resprite
It's hard to place it, but to me his Sprite doesn't feel nearly as well done as ones like Providence or dog
split narwhal
already planned
digital saddle
Birb too perhaps
tired haven
Rod makes a lot of boss attacks irrelevant, which certainly doesn't help the design at all
hollow idol
Birb’s resprite is finished
fervent citrus
Looks less like a plushie
languid quartz
frick there goes my profile pic
strong jacinth
yo what
fervent citrus
There goes my drawing :(
ashen warren
RoD should be completely disabled during boss fights and the fights balanced accordingly change my mind reeeee
tepid root
what birb resprite
hollow idol
smh yall acting like once a thing is redesigned the old thing should be banished to the shadow realm and avoided at all costs
tired haven
i wish but then literally every second player will explode
if not every first that is
fervent citrus
The old crabulon sprite was kinda like a mushy potato 
hollow idol
He was a cute bush child
split narwhal
new sugg from me
Give a base stealth value to the player;
Right now, only rogue focused armor and accessories give maximum stealth value;This is problematic as it disencourages the uses of multi-class or all class armors like astral, fearmonger, etc;A stealth giving accessory has to be equipped for rogues to uses those armor and be able to do stealth strikes, which is a big part of what rogue is.By adding a low base stealth value(around 10-20 maybe) to the player character this problem can be mitigated;To compensate stealth granting armors can have their stealth value reduced so it doesn't just become free extra stealth.(There should also be a config for non rogue players so they don't get annoyed by the full stealth sound constantly if this were to be implemented)
languid quartz
stealth is kinda confusing for me rn ngl
fervent citrus
I never think about it
tired haven
That probably should be done after deciding what to do with stealth charge sound for non-rogues and rogue hybrids, but so far seems reasonable
Every player has 20 mana and 1 minion slot already
Also yeah stealth is a big thonk rn but no one has came up with a decent rework just yet I suppose
split narwhal
aight, gonna post it
hollow shell
Well like
Do we want all players to be able to go invisible and emit the stealth sound whenever they stand still
Even though what that indicates has no relevance to you if you're playing 4 of the 5 classes?
zenith hazel
or just give the multiclass sets some stealth value, that could work instead
tired haven
make stealth visual itself an effect of the common accessory 
hollow shell
aight
ashen warren
Isn’t there an accessory that does that now?
pulsar jay
what
tired haven
Closest I can recall is abyssal/eclipse mirror giving you stealth if the dodge procs but that's different from grazing which is likely what hadari implied
gusty geode
This would most likely suck to code
But what if stealth were to become a mana-esque stat
That you could build up by use of a crafted/found consumable
pulsar jay
i meant something more like adrenaline
not literally grazing near attacks
that'd be terrible
tired haven
Aight
Altho adrenaline 2 also sounds kind of pensive
quick ice
The main problem I see with a universal stealth mechanic is the constant cloaking and other passive benefits that come with it
gusty geode
Tbh a grazing mechanic would be kinda cool
I don't see what the problem is
quick ice
It’s designed as an exclusively rogue mechanic afaik, so making it available for everyone seems pointless if they aren’t supposed to benefit from it
pulsar jay
grazing is a no
hollow shell
Grazing as a mechanic is fine
Programming that is a lil bit of a nightmare
Just a few nightmares
quick ice
They do, but having those slots doesn’t provide any active effects and you have to choose to use them
Just like with the ammo slots and mana bar, they’re there but provide no active effects
hollow shell
That's a good point
tired haven
Stealth by itself only affects aggro for non-rogue players
(aside from cues of recharge that are more of an oversight tbh)
the debate of whether stealth should or should not be consumed by any action based on logic and game mechanics is still open
quick ice
What is stealth currently consumed by? Besides attacking obviously
hollow shell
Using some rogue accessories expends stealth
like Spectral Veil and Plagued Fuel Pack
quick ice
Maybe RoDing and Prolonged flight/Flying mount use? You’re already required to stay still for stealth strikes to charge so this would fit in with the less-mobile play style that the rogue seems to be encouraged to adopt for maximum efficiency
hollow shell
(well that is kinda what those two accessories do)
tired haven
Doesn't it already decrease after using RoD?
(like with about any item with usetime)
quick ice
It might, I don’t play rogue other than to try out some of the new weapons so I don’t know all the details on its mechanics
pulsar jay
no
never take away mobility in any way in calamity
it's calamty
you need to be on the move
no time to stop
gusty geode
Was about to suggest
Maybe all enemy projectiles could have a second hitbox
A bit larger than the actual one
Coming into contact with it without hitting the actual hitbox would trigger the effects of grazing
hollow shell
What item, Shucks?
lost agate
Sinister icon
hollow shell
Huh
pulsar jay
quick ice
I’d say that the best way to implement grazing is to have 2 small hit boxes around the player that move around so they’re on the sides of whichever direction the player is moving (Ex: player is moving left, the hit boxes are above and below them) and if a projectile enters these hit boxes and the player doesn’t take damage, it would be considered a graze
hollow shell
Oh, right, yeah
It would be easier to create one new object on top of the player that detects-
yeah
quick ice
Idk how doable my idea is though, and the grazing idea as a whole brings up the issue that there will always be a chance that the player unintentionally dodged the projectile when it enters the hit boxes purely by chance
lost agate
Its a graze nonetheless
pulsar jay
i mean is the graze going to be isntantly filling your stealth
lost agate
Also, fargos code is open source basically so you can check it
hollow shell
(Can I just say that Fargo's item concepts have no right being as cool as they are for how much of a meme that mod is)
lost agate
Souls mod and mutant mod arent that much of a meme
The rest of the mods he made kinda are tho
tepid root
equippable inventory time
lost agate
Like hyper mode, rainbow, etc
hollow shell
Well not just item concepts but concepts in general
New AIs and stuff
pulsar jay
why is the mod s meme
lost agate
Masomode is cool
hollow shell
It is, I should play through it some time
lost agate
Makes some bosses really interesting
You should
Note of advice tho, pre boss sucks as per usual
And dont forget to talk to devi every once in a while
gusty geode
Maso-mode is what a higher-than-Expert difficulty should be imo
tired haven
The actual expert difficulty as whole ngl, aside from some memey/cheap changes
quick ice
#other-mod-talk guys?
lost agate
Yeah sure
gusty geode
Right
Anyway, as I was about to say
lost agate
Altho i dont have much else to say
gusty geode
I'm convinced there's no way to make Stealth interesting without going through programming hell in some capacity
quick ice
Oh yeah, but programming challenges should be an expectation if you’re trying to make a unique new class
pulsar jay
I'm convinced there's no way to make Stealth interesting*
lost agate
Mood
pulsar jay
paragraph incoming
gusty geode
Like
I've seen quite a few really good ideas come and go
Actually being able to hide from bosses and having them enter a "search mode"
Being able to hide behind certain objects to generate stealth faster
Throwing out decoys that the bosses attack instead of you
But do any of those sound easy?
tired haven
Sadly I'd have to agree with that it's hard
So far there is no real trouble with coding but with "how to make rogue 100% unique but playable concept, without another mana bar"
pulsar jay
has there ever been a moment where you just really fuckin wish sis was allowed because you had so many ideas in your head you couldn't place anywhere
gusty geode
Summoner also has a ton of untapped potential tbh
tepid root
are there any besides pygmies and pirates
pulsar jay
nope
tepid root
also note: they both kinda suck in combat lol
pulsar jay
pirate ai was so bad I wanted to fucking die
all the grinding
grinded pirates for like 4 fucking hours
i wanted to quit
when i saw that ai
tired haven
Slime ai but even less appealing
pulsar jay
not even slime ai
they have their own grotesque thing going on
instead of bounce towards nearest enemy and hit them
it's
tired haven
I mean, yeah, it's different, but mostly in not best manner
pulsar jay
lock on to random ass enemy of your choosing
don't switch targets until it's dead
don't move until you can get to it
don't come to the player until it dies
doesn't matter if it's behind a wall and can't be seen
target it
gusty geode
I remember once I suggested stuff like minions that provided buffs to the player and/or other minions
Or ones that focused on support more than damage
So you were encouraged to have several kinds of minions active at once
split narwhal
you know right clicking exists
pulsar jay
when the cal npc comes out I really hope she helps the player against yharim in a More direct way considering what yharim has done to her. possibly as a hireable minion
WHO GIVES A FUCK WHAT YOU RIGHT CLIKED
THE BEE
I DON'T CARE GET THE BEE
THE BEEEE
split narwhal
~~ right clicking works 99% of the time for me~~
pulsar jay
i tend to have existential crisis in short bursts
imagine messing up your strikethrough
split narwhal
let it out somewhere else I suppose?
tired haven
Don't have to show that in public with pride either
gusty geode
Getting off-topic again
hollow shell
Yes anyway
Rogue big funny. Stealth big not sufficient.
hollow shell
We now return you to your regularly scheduled ineffectual discussion
pulsar jay
why do people speak to echother here, have any of these discussions ever gone anywhere
tired haven
Sometimes that does spark ideas, even though 90% of the time it's just #calamity-mod-talk material
hollow shell
When they're discussions like these about doing big reworks to big things, not usually
But when it's just talking about recently posted or soon-to-be-posted suggs and giving feedback, yeah a lot gets done in that department
lost agate
It gets stuff done when its not why is debuff bad
We will make true melee great again
Etc.
Or well, when the idea isnt being thrown down for no apparent reason but i digress
ashen warren
But even when this chat is #calamity-mod-talk 2: Electric Boogaloo, I’d still rather be here because there aren’t at least 10 people in it at any given time and it feels like one can actually discuss stuff
its not that active all the time
night cradle
the point is
gray nebula
you can fight cultist at the start of hardmode
night cradle
if you skip bosses, you need to fight later ones with the previous gear
gray nebula
don't go complain about not having perrenial/cryonic etc
night cradle
it's what balances that kind of sequence breaks
bitter drift
but why chlorophyte?
this material shows up from the second you get into hard mode
yes you can't mine it until you kill at least 1 mech boss?
i just killed all mech alts
gray nebula
if you can skip bosses but get the gear you would have gotten from killing them then why even fight them,,;
bitter drift
why shouldn't i be able to mine it
gray nebula
bitter drift
hallowed bar i can understand NOT CHLOROPHYTE!
vast stirrup
i cringe everytime a person says hollow instead of hallow
night cradle
chlorophyte is just about the same as hallowed in this case, since it's locked behind mechs/mech alts
vast stirrup
what
bitter drift
even if you kill every single mech alt you can't mine this ore
gray nebula
ok so yes just be more precise
bitter drift
you still need hollowed bars
vast stirrup
you get hallowed bars from mech bosses?
gray nebula
it's really not clear you want a mech alt only way of mining chloro ore
zenith hazel
I don't see why this needs to be a problem considering a lot of other items are locked behind hallowed bars
vast stirrup
^
zenith hazel
chlorophyte bars are no exception
night cradle
oh I think I see what you mean
...well you can just go alternate way and defeat one of mechs to get pickaxe axe/drax
bitter drift
something i though you didn't want in calamity, a reliance on a specific material
tired haven
vast stirrup
wwhat
ashen warren
bitter drift
Brav all the other Items that are locked behind hallowed bars are made by them chlorophyte is an ore
and now that i think of it it is the same with charred ore
you can't mine it unless you kill a specific boss
zenith hazel
but you need hallowed bars to get chlorophyte ore at that point specifically, no?
ashen warren
I mean, several ores in Calamity don’t even spawn until you kill a specific boss
bitter drift
this is one thing
spawning the ore by killing a boss
what i am talking about here is an ore that have been in the world since you killed the WoF, scratch that EVER SINCE YOU MADE THE WORLD!
and you can't mine it when you got to the tier of the ore
zenith hazel
so it's a vanilla problem
ashen warren
Why’s it a problem I’m confused
tired haven
I still can't follow the idea
Chlorophyte is post-all mechs
Why it being unminable until at least 1 mech dead is a problem?
bitter drift
because i killed all the mech alts WHY CAN'T I MINE IT?!
should you be able to pass the mechs?
vast stirrup
also you have to kill either all mechs or 1 mech 2 alts and not 1 mech
tired haven
Mech alts are called alts for a reason?
bitter drift
:/ really??
vast stirrup
alternate
ashen warren
Not entirely, no. There are three of them. You have to kill at least one.
vast stirrup
tired haven
They aren't supposed to replace everything mechs can provide
night cradle
alternate != same
vast stirrup
^ that too
zenith hazel
yeah just go beat up a mech with post-alts gear, it shouldn't be insanely difficult
bitter drift
NOT EVERYTHING!
tired haven
sigh
bitter drift
chlorophyte and charred ore specifically!
ashen warren
The thing is, if you’ve beaten 3 mech alts, you have access to angel treads don’t you
zenith hazel
and this is a problem because...
ashen warren
/\
bitter drift
yes you do A knight
but why not chlorophyte and charred??
shouldn't you be able to pass all the mech bosses, because as of now you can't
tired haven
If something I'm quite concerned that chloro already comes by earlier than it did
And no. eclipse is another example of why mechs can't be skipped
zenith hazel
because chlorophyte & charred stuff are very good if you think about it
ashen warren
Mechs are intended to be harder than the alts
And the game makes you fight at least one of them
zenith hazel
alts already drop a ton of things, mechs just allow you to unlock more things
bitter drift
and they are at the same tier as i am in now
yet i can't get them.
vast stirrup
then kill mechs
zenith hazel
it just so happens that mechs can unlock hallowed bars and as a result, chloro bars
but to compensate, alts drop good weapons for you to use against mechs
tired haven
If you killed all mech alts, you are not post all mechs
bitter drift
so there are no mech alts is what you are saying
ashen warren
No
bitter drift
SO WHAT THE REASON TO CALL THEM MECH ALTS IN THE FIRST PLACE?!
zenith hazel
how did you even jump to that conclusion?
because they're "alternatives", not "replacements"
they don't have to unlock the same stuff mechs do
bitter drift
they are not alternatives nor replacements!
ashen warren
Wow. Could you not caps lock?
zenith hazel
then why are they called mech alts?
gray nebula
I mean why does defeating the mechs not unlock cryonic or,,e
bitter drift
idk they aren't with what i am getting from you
hollow idol
Reminder that Fab intends to make hallowed ore and remove it from mechs
gray nebula
they aren't just copy pasted versiosn of the mechs
green pumice
what is this suggestion wtf
zenith hazel
I don't even understand what you're trying to say, nor am I understanding how this is inherently a problem
gray nebula
they're just at the same tier and share one drop
ashen warren
If you wanna crusade the mechs out of your play through just go fight Plantera
gray nebula
just like how clone is a plant alt
tired haven
can i die in peace already? guess not
Was, I suppose. Right now they are too far apart
bitter drift
clone is not a plant alt on what drug are you on?????
vast stirrup
tepid root
clone isnt really a plant alt anymore since plant doesnt trigger abyss stuff anymore
hollow idol
clone is a plant alt yes
tepid root
vast stirrup
alternate doesnt mean it does the same things as the other possibility
gray nebula
I mean eventhought she unlocks different stuff she's still an alt
green pumice
i thought clone was slightly pre plant
tepid root
m
bitter drift
it is pre plant
zenith hazel
you can beat up whichever you want first
gray nebula
yeah kill one of them and then use the gear you got from it to kill the other
tired haven
General concern is that cal is first but both are about equal
bitter drift
so from what i am getting, there is still an order of bosses for calamity and this won't change
ashen warren
Ye Clone is not a plant alt anymore.
Anyway you only have to fight one mech boss, and the others are optional. You can fight alternative bosses in order to progress without fighting all three mechs
No
You can just go fight plant right now if you want to
fervent citrus
I see a heated argument was happenin recently :P
vast stirrup
you could even fight plant at the start of hardmode if you wanted to
tired haven
at this point I wonder if there is a secret chat where you are Getting all those sweet things from
fervent citrus
And why are mechs meant to be skipped?
ashen warren
And then get some post plant gear and beat up Golem
Bam. Picksaw. Mine Chlorophyte. Yay.
gray nebula
yes there is a progression order
tired haven
Or go straight to golem and picksaw memes
gray nebula
however you can skip bosses
ashen warren
Lel
gray nebula
like just kill levi pre boss and then crush everything in pre hm
fervent citrus
Heyy, i wanna skip mechs and go for lunatic cultist
fervent citrus
Wait is it?
bitter drift
the fact that you are forced to kill planterra and the mech bosses shows me other wise
gray nebula
are you forced to kill them?
fervent citrus
I didnt know one can skip HM entirely xD
gray nebula
and also while the alt mechs don't unlock chloro, they already unlock other stuff
bitter drift
pretty much
gray nebula
and will unlock more soon™️
zenith hazel
you're not even forced to kill mechs until post-yharon 1
bitter drift
you aree
fervent citrus
Wait wot
frail mantle
no you're not
gray nebula
zenith hazel
alright, why do you need to kill mechs at that point then?
tired haven
And you are forced tho only because vanilla won't allow for proper content opening
frail mantle
Mechs only need to existn't for Mothrons
fervent citrus
Whats wrong with fighting mechs anyway? I find the alts more irritating tbh
frail mantle
so up to when you beat Yharone you can just decide to completely ignore the Mechs
frail mantle
yea
ashen warren
Sounds like CrabBar has been hired
lapis sleet
lmao that's a great idea actually
also I love how I almost never send messenges on this server
but read everything
fervent citrus
Wait hired for wot?
hallow kraken
I have tried that
opal barn
Calamity undertale run 😳
gray nebula
for calamity pacifis,,,
lapis sleet
aight guys this is a true drama moment
tired haven
if not for all those bosses it would have been my attention indeed
gray nebula
now beat wof with pre boss gear 
hallow kraken
But then I kinda realized a lot of post ml bosses had to be fought
tired haven
You do know that molten gear is pre-boss?
fervent citrus
But thats impossible :O
tired haven
gray nebula
yeab 
ashen warren
Reaper Shark exists
tired haven
Neat
lapis sleet
yeah lmao
hallow kraken
In fact polterghast is the only skippable iirc
gray nebula
now fight LC with early hm weapo,ns
frail mantle
also Prov iirc
fervent citrus
How tho?
gray nebula
but LC is a joke anyways so it doesnt really matter
hallow kraken
Not prov
ashen warren
Yharon P2 can’t even be fought till Provi and DoG are both downed
gray nebula
you need to kill prov to be worthy yea
hallow kraken
Unless there’s a new pickaxe I don’t know about
frail mantle
wasn't that changed
zenith hazel
that's been removed
hallow kraken
Still need blossom pickaxe
tepid root
nah just use bombs
hallow kraken
That works?
tired haven
P sure prov being required was removed