Such as lightning striking me while I’m in the Sulphorous Sea hole?
#suggestions-discussion
ashen warren
civic pond
boss sug
toxic kettle
civic pond
indigo fog
it's a miniboss sugg
hollow shell
But it is a joke
civic pond
I legitimately cant tell if its meant to be
hollow shell
@ashen warren Needlessly specific joke suggestion, please don't
hallow kraken
How do we take a closer look into it
hollow shell
I assume it's some deez nuts shit, but I can't decipher it
zenith hazel
can't take a closer look into something if it doesn't exist anymore
civic pond
oh well
ashen warren
Ppl be fumb
hollow shell
What about God Slayer Inferno fire blocks
Plague could arguably exist too, considering Ichor gets its own fire block
... well
the former could (prolly) be approximated with Demon Fire, the latter could be approximated with Cursed Fire, and Holy Flames could be approximated with Ichor
Brimstone's the only real necessary one
small talon
Tbh idk how no one ever thought of more living fire blocks
a simple and cool concept
hollow shell
They're not particularly memorable blocks
radiant meadow
because it's unnecessary sprite work?
hollow shell
except the base one
small talon
... fair point
radiant meadow
there's lots of higher priority things
radiant meadow
okay but I'm too lazy to do the recolors 
hollow shell
I could do it.. once this gets delivered 
radiant meadow
real talk though
it's actually a blue check
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/626035805684760579
🙃
ashen warren
bruh
hollow shell
Ah good then I'll start now
indigo fog
honestly why isn't there a shadowflame fire block
hollow shell
Demon Fire too close, probably
toxic kettle
God Slayer Inferno fire block 
cobalt rose
who's to say they aren't the same thing
hollow shell
loar!?
gusty geode
Abyssal Fire Blocks
indigo fog
chaos candle fire block when
forest fern
I read the early forum history of calam, how about add a new worm boss in the normal sea as the ancestor breed of two worm boss?
I saw the old texture of Desert scourge
hollow shell
You can't suggest new bosses
Suggestion rules are pinned in #suggestions-voting, as well as a Google Doc
hollow shell
@ashen warren Why would it be very useful?
(I think I already know the reason but I'd like you to articulate it in your reasoning)
hollow shell
That it? Even though the item gets held up too?
ashen warren
Honestly, I find Torrential Tear to be kind of unclear sometimes, so I’m not totally against it
hollow shell
Yeah the main thing about Torrential Tear is that it takes a while for rain to start
so the chat message would be a good indication that the world/server got your request to start the rain and that it'd be underway soon
and it didn't get eaten by lag or something
ashen warren
Especially since Torrential Tear’s use is so quick that if you weren’t staring at your character it might be hard to see
lost agate
For cosmolight, unless you just started the morning/night theres a rather clear blackout/light up if you use it
tired haven
does that apply to when you are in closed space aka caverns
lost agate
Well, in that case theres not much effect to when its day or night
You can also have a watch with you to check time if you really need to know
Like im not saying its a bad idea, just that cosmolight already has several ways to tell if the effect was done
ashen warren
I imagine Scal would get reworked in future post scal updates to balance difficulties so here is my take, rework the brimstones monster into something like a golem head or true of eye of cthulhu which shoots projectiles and chases the player, it should also be killable by the player. Right now the brimstone monster orbs feel really weird because they are just floating circles with a face that chases the player. How does that sound?
gray nebula
this sounds even harder than how they currently are depending on their accuracy
sand umbra
I think the main problem is simply that the Brimstone Monsters are fatter than the Leviathan's debatably-intangible chin
gray nebula
that's the intention I think
frail mantle
yea if they also shot projectiles it'd be like having five Levis in your arena while fighting SCal
gray nebula
and also yes suggestions about future content yes
ashen warren
unless you make them smaller
sand umbra
I want to suggest something regarding SCal but it'd literally be such a large-scale adjustment that it would never get in ever
so like. lol!
gray nebula
either you say it anyways or you don't talk about it at all, so now you're forced to post it 
sand umbra
shiet
WELP
personally I feel like SCal's in this really awkward position where she both is and isn't balanced around the existence of her arena
more or less the only benefits of her arena seem to revolve around BHs, moons, and sometimes giving Sepulcher somewhere to exist without imploding
moons don't really contribute anything to the fight aside from eating your arena space which everything else including the arena itself already does
Sepulcher would be cool if anything about him was consistent
the BH segments are really cool at first but design-wise they lack the structure and patterns to be reliably learned and understood so you're just staring psuedo-random rows of fire down the barrel
the rest of her attacks seem to just pretend the arena isn't there and you're like half the game behind in mobility in terms of whether or not you'll actually get hit
her brothers do quite literally nothing past projectiles which is a huge flip from Clonamitas' fight being largely centered around her ability to rez her brothers
there's no other fight in the game that even tries to prepare you for SCal's fight which considering it's going to be one of the few necessary fights in finalized progression isn't a good thing
the thing I want to suggest so bad is to rework SCal's arena into something less rigid and something that does in fact actively punish you for leaving it, and then rebalancing the fight around that to not be a really awkward bullet-hell-but-actually-not-at-all boss, e.g.
- making BH segments more pattern-oriented and less random
- diversifying the patterns in which projectiles appear during those segments
- making moons contribute something more to the fight in exchange for not being omega fatasses, or just removing them outright
- making Sepulcher actually consistent in how he appears, moves, and attacks
- broadening and/or diversifying SCal's attack arsenal, one would expect a bit more out of the wicked witch of the tyrant than haha funi Fire Ball Z
etc.
I could go on for a lot longer except it's 4 in the morning as I type this, and I really don't wanna go even further into it than I already have as I completely expect this to get heated really fast if I do and I have probably already doomed myself to like an hour of "wtf SCal is perfectly fine boss your stupid and dumb u SOCK >:(" for so much as speaking on the topic
queen delta
Well, randomness is not a bad thing
Your suggestion seems like it wants to get rid of most of that
sand umbra
of course not! in moderation. randomness can be a good way to spice up a fight and keep the player on their toes
but I think the main thing is that SCal's BH segments...rely too heavily on it
queen delta
Yeah, if it wasn’t random, it’d be too easy
The problem is, it’s hard to make a pattern based BH without making it too easy or too hard
Blushiemagic boss tried that and look what happened
sand umbra
Blushie boss is arguably an example of what happens when you go too far in the other direction --- where everything has a pattern but everything is also stupidly complex
one thing SCal's BHs have going for them is that every projectile type is unique in appearance (mostly) and what it does
by looking at a certain projectile, you can generally tell what it is and thus what it's going to do
and that's a good thing!
ashen warren
you want a bullet hell with a variety of projectiles?
sand umbra
it's...complicated
ashen warren
scal shooting brimstone lasers
sand umbra
the main thing is that I personally feel that SCal's BHs rely a bit too heavily on randomness and could stand to be a bit more pattern oriented, which could also open up possibilities for new things to happen with those BH segments to ensure they're not too easy
ashen warren
also i do think the brothers should act more like scal herself
shooting at you then charging at you
sand umbra
the other thing of it, in my eyes, is that...the fight itself doesn't give SCal enough credit
ashen warren
yeah scal most of the time just stares at you
sand umbra
a lot of the difficulty of SCal's fight appears to come from her summons and BH segments; not necessarily from SCal herself
left tangle
I like the randomness of the BH segments, makes ya think instead of just using muscle memory.
sand umbra
this is almost disturbingly similar to the case with normal Cal and her bros
Clonamitas relies too heavily on her brothers to be difficult and, similarly to what I've noticed with SCal, isn't really given a whole lot of credit with her actual attack roster
I really should suggest something be changed about SCal's fight to nudge it in what I feel is the right direction, but I don't really know what specifically it'd benefit most from
ashen warren
I, for one would like to see scal with brimstone lasers
gray nebula
the supreme bros are anything but threatening
they're not random at all and once you understand how they move you can easily avoid their attacks,,
pulsar jay
I didn't even know what the fuck they were doing when they spawned i just kinda moved up and down and nohit the entire segment
ashen warren
the brothers are off screen and all I see are just projectiles coming at me from left and right 
ashen warren
I for one actually am for BHs being random, mainly because I don’t want to be able to memorize a set of inputs to get through them.
gray nebula
@lament yew why
lament yew
What my idea
gray nebula
yes
lament yew
Idk
gray nebula
tepid root
gray nebula
you must add a reasoning to your suggestions tho
lament yew
I played as a summoner before
gray nebula
you can't just ask for a random item without any more explanations
and you can't really suggest specific items like that
frail mantle
yea
tepid root
deadly spheres kinda sock tho
fervent citrus
you guys used them?
ashen warren
for a moment i was thinking whats eyezore
radiant meadow
I've used deadly sphere staff unironically before 
tepid root
every post plant pre golem summoner staff is irrelevant because sandnadoes exist
shhh dont nerf them
radiant meadow
will do
tepid root
frail mantle
potato you fool
toxic kettle
I mean to be fair, why was that sprite not used
wary canyon
yeah new one is kinda bad
fervent citrus
Ikr? We were discussing it in lore chat
wary canyon
^
karmic stone
The spriter didnt want it to be used iirc
fervent citrus
Oh
wary canyon
okay, but why?
karmic stone
Or the team because the spriter something something
strong jacinth
oof
fervent citrus
Thats sad 
wary canyon
why would you take a plaguebringer with red eyes over that awesome jetpack
toxic kettle
I can't imagine someone putting the effort in to make something like that and then just saying "yea don't use that"
fervent citrus
karmic stone
Yea I think it was the latter
karmic stone
Also calling the current sprite garbage is really epic reasoning indeed
frail mantle
sprite bashing is unepic
vast stirrup
indeed
wary canyon
ok but how much effort was really required to give plaguebringer red eyes and a red antenna
cyan lagoon
@karmic stone not the case
karmic stone
o
cyan lagoon
Theyre fine w/ it being used
zenith hazel
just because you don’t like the current sprite doesn’t mean that it’s a valid reason to completely trash it either
night cradle
^
vast stirrup
^
fervent citrus
Huh, whats the reason they didnt implement that then? 
ashen warren
because the owner of the sprite didnt give perm
gray nebula
he did
karmic stone
What
ashen warren
did he?
gray nebula
smh cob just said it
civic pond
karmic stone
So did he or did he not
ashen warren
ah yea
karmic stone
h
gray nebula
Kamei doesnt know how to read smh
zenith hazel
frankly baffled how 5 other people immediately jumped on the star train even though the reason is like flimsy at best
fervent citrus
gray nebula
but yes ziggums is fine with his design being used
karmic stone
So
ashen warren
thats nice
gray nebula
I already brought that up on the dev server anyways
karmic stone
Goliath is just Plaguebringer sprite with red eyes and an antenna
gray nebula
even before that sugg
karmic stone
Sad!
ashen warren
@gray nebula shhhhhh
frail mantle
i mean there's not even any real reasoning, it's just lole bad sproot
fervent citrus
I can try making a better sugg- oh wait it wont happen anyways 
cyan lagoon
Tbf what else is a resprite suggestion supposed to have as a reason
wary canyon
one could just add the reasoning of "anything's better than a resprite of normal PB"
cyan lagoon
Though its really blunt
frail mantle
ye the bluntness is the main problem imo
zenith hazel
not bashing mindlessly on the current sprite that’s for sure
at least provide reasons on why this current sprite should be replaced by that thing that’s not “sprite bad replace ty”
green pumice
guys ark of the cosmos looks bad..,.,.., resprite pls
frail mantle
pine i will conjugate you to the past tense
ashen warren
ah thanks
vast stirrup
guy s cätäastriphe claynore look badm,,,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,. respirtep
gray nebula
you could just add in the reason that it's fully sprited already and the one behind the design is fine with it being used and that it's better than current and that eventhought another one is being made by the devs, a temporary better one would be good
karmic stone
Sprite suggs in general are h because the sprites needed doc is in the process of being uncringed
ashen warren
ooh
ashen warren
it beter be better than the jetpack one
fervent citrus
Say its a recolour of Pbs
ashen warren
karmic stone
You can be sure it has something planned
zenith hazel
so are you gonna add a valid reason or nah?
ashen warren
well
ashen warren
the new one looks like mommy plaguebringer
gray nebula
i mean i already posted it in the dev server
fervent citrus
zenith hazel
so what are you implying here?
ashen warren
the current plaguebringer is complete sh*t
karmic stone
gray nebula
zenith hazel
but are you gonna change your suggestion reason or not
gray nebula
just add the reasoning I provided for you
gray nebula
fervent citrus
Wait y?
ashen warren
until a better one comes
vast stirrup
gray nebula
yes but
sand umbra
the fuck
gray nebula
you need a better reasoning for your suggestion
fervent citrus
Itll prolly get deleted anyways
ashen warren
hmmmm
radiant meadow
god?
zenith hazel
yeah otherwise we’re not sending it to dev server lol
fervent citrus
Ok lemme try:
gray nebula
karmic stone
idc
hue
The Clam team has been backed into a corner
The sugg wont go out until PBG gets a resprite
vast stirrup
guy sthis is so sad
karmic stone
So sad
gray nebula
I mean I already brought this up on the dev server even before this suggestion
but still, add reasoning
cyan lagoon
Iban i think we get it
ashen warren
they got us in the first half ngl
gray nebula
no im gonna repeat it
just add a better reasoning it's not that hard
"current one bad" isn't enough
fervent citrus
change/modify Plaguebringer Goliath's current sprite
Reason (): As of now, PBG's sprite looks, to some people, bland, boring and lacks detail. Changing the sprite to something new, or using the one i will send in some way, would assumingly improve the situation and please the complainers :P
There
ashen warren
who remembers plaguebringer when it was a green queen bee
radiant meadow
that's getting off topic
ashen warren
ok sorry
karmic stone
That wasnt what you said earlier though
Your reasoning up until now was that it was PB but with red eyes
fervent citrus
Hmm, any ways to improve the sugg?
karmic stone
So h
fervent citrus
Lemme add the 'PB recolor' part
zenith hazel
how about we just accept that pbg is getting a resprite eventually and move on?
this did not need to escalate to this point
zenith hazel
did you not read what iban has been saying
fervent citrus
ye im a dumbass
hollow shell
@ashen warren Can you please reword your suggestion
opal barn
psst rover read up
fervent citrus
we had a heated discussion about this
hollow shell
I see that there was an argument but the sugg is still worded badly
opal barn
He refused to change it though
hollow shell
What does he mean by "new one", was a different resprite revealed?
Also the message itself doesn't provide any context as to what the suggestion is, making it hard to search
Also the reasoning is poor and confusing
ashen warren
They referred to the current one and did some sprite bashing before being defiant/adamant about not changing the wording
Not sure you’ll have much luck getting them to change the wording
hollow shell
I'm just going to delete the suggestion if they outright refuse to improve it.
I'll wait for them to come back though. There's plenty of ways they can improve the suggestion.
(Nah, Ziggums (the designer) gave the go-ahead.
I'm not too sure about L0st (the spriter) but I don't think there was ever a problem with him)
Thanks
radiant meadow
why
hollow shell
no
elder python
Sorry
toxic aurora
iirc when i asked why they didnt used it they said the creator asked not to use it but idk
elder python
Is there a meme chat?
radiant meadow
no
wooden wedge
no
toxic aurora
no
hollow shell
There is not
elder python
Ok
wooden wedge
it's in the suggs doc
unreal viper
Calamity mod talk is the closest thing to a meme chat.
toxic aurora
wh
hollow shell
And yeah, Ziggums was a problem in the past, and didn't want the stuff to be used
but he came around and he's said it's okay to use
radiant meadow
let's not encourage the use of memes though, alright?
ashen warren
toxic aurora
might be offtopic but did he did anything else apart from that PBG
hollow shell
He did a ton of stuff back in Calamity's early days
He was basically the boss spriter
Very prominent dev
toxic aurora
was now we have mr iban
hollow shell
lol
radiant meadow
I believe he sprited current levi and birb and yharon
hollow shell
Yep
radiant meadow
no
toxic aurora
hollow shell
He also sprited old PBG, old Perfs, old Hive Mind, old non-sand Elementals, old Providence, and a bunch of others
yeah there was some disagreement among the team, Ziggs didn't like the direction the mod and its design was going
and eventually he got booted for being argumentative
toxic aurora
i like the direction the mod had always
fervent citrus
the only thing that doesnt seem right is how the balancing works with other mods :l
or its not a calamity prob
toxic aurora
just dont fuckin mix big mods
fervent citrus
toxic aurora
play them apart
hollow shell
(if you want a frame of reference, he got kicked out around the time the "Future bosses" were added)
toxic aurora
oh sad
fervent citrus
oof
hollow shell
(notably, the bosses were removed after many other devs agreed with him)
toxic aurora
thats 2018
hollow shell
indeed
Anyway I think that's sufficient context.
I'll wait for not-Hadari to return
digital saddle
i feel plaguebringer goliath is a bit shoehorned into an already dense part of progression
in general post golem bosses feel like things you have to go "out of your way" to fight
(other than cultist and ML)
hollow shell
Shoehorned prolly isn't the right word considering its been around for literally years at this point
Unless you mean it was shoehorned that very long time ago and therefore still is
sleek wadi
PBG is in a weird spot RN, due to it having only a set of corresponding enemies to its name and that Golem lock it feels out of place. It'd probably feel less so if that plague biome ever becomes a thing.
fervent citrus
PBG is always in my playthroughs tbh
toxic aurora
the dashes are hard to dodge, makes it an anoying fight someway
indigo fog
I never found her dashes to be a problem
you want to make vertical movements with a jump speed boosting accessory
indigo fog
I avoid the diagonal ones the same way
hollow shell
aw, the fun of Death Antlions is the ludicrous anount of sand
fervent citrus
welp, now i dont have to worry about my world running out of sand
toxic kettle
Fab posted a few pictures at some point
potent veldt
Antlions are stupid anyway
ashen warren
I'm going to see how much time it takes for a single antlion to cover whole entrance. What are your bets?
potent veldt
Whole entrance of what?
fervent citrus
around 6 secs
ashen warren
underground desert
carmine spindle
Why did he post a sprite submission on this server lol
potent veldt
He didn't make it
carmine spindle
oh
potent veldt
It's an old sprite that has been thrown around like crazy
Almost positive this is like the 15th time it's been discussed
frail mantle
Something like that yea
potent veldt
Also as much as I love that PB sprite, I'm not going to star that suggestion because that reasoning is garbage
indigo fog
what sugg
potent veldt
What?
wooden wedge
and why are you talking about it if it's gone
potent veldt
toxic kettle
the suggestion is still there wdym
wooden wedge
the PBG resprite sugg
potent veldt
This one??
indigo fog
wooden wedge
I thought it was deleted
indigo fog
uh
potent veldt
What are you on mate
ashen warren
fervent citrus
potent veldt
Did you just correct me on something you didn't even look to check for
wooden wedge
potent veldt
Still coulda looked bruh
And Rover literally says right there "Ill wait for them to come back though"
wooden wedge
why can't I read shit today
potent veldt
Why couldn't you have just looked lol
ashen warren
The thing is, the inappropriate language is not needed
potent veldt
That too
wooden wedge
because I shouldn't be a topic of discussion
ashen warren
You don’t need to insult other people’s work
potent veldt
The reasoning is just basically nonexistant
Because everything about it is unnecessary
I agree completely that PGB isn't exactly high art, but I will never stand by the opinion of "it's absolute garbage" when sprites like Golem exists
Could literally just say "PGB is just a resprite and it should have a unique sprite" or something
bronze quiver
is there a thing where when you start a world in calamity it shows the lore?
bronze quiver
huh
fervent citrus
poor person who made PBG's current sprite
fervent citrus
tru
bronze quiver
what is it?
fervent citrus
including music composers
DM DOKURO and turquoise seem to have the worst fanbases 
fervent citrus
that will never happen callum :l
gray nebula
terraria cutscenes poggies!
bronze quiver
ok
fervent citrus
like, the programming it would take is unholy
potent veldt
Like bruh, Yharon looks eh, but 90% of people who shit on it wouldn't be able to try and sprite the head alone
fervent citrus
altho bismuth has those
bronze quiver
it was fine before
toxic kettle
it's not like the Calamity lore is featured nowhere ingame
bronze quiver
yeah
fervent citrus
lore items
toxic kettle
Lore items, NPC quotes, tooltips: "Are we a joke to you?"
bronze quiver
well yes but you need to beat bosses to see them
toxic aurora
epic until nowadays
bronze quiver
no background lore or anything
wooden wedge
the wiki has the lore for things that aren't ingame I'm pretty sure
toxic aurora
yes
toxic kettle
exploring and progressing to get pieces of the lore is more fun imo than just getting it fed to you at the very beginning
wooden wedge
and #lore-discussion exists too
sand umbra
mfw wanting a short movie instead of asking for the game to hint at more of the lore in more subtle ways
bronze quiver
ok
sand umbra
a nod to Statis here, a poem about SCal there
sand umbra
smaller things that aren't as. blatant, I guess
ashen warren
Rover’s sugg went thru to add lore to other item tooltips
That may happen in the future
zenith hazel
or just read the wiki
ashen warren
Well yea but that’s less fun
sand umbra
reading the wiki isn't as fun as finding all these little lore tidbits throughout your journey that gradually tell you more about the world
ashen warren
/\
Set them out like a great big puzzle
It gives a lot more significance and memorability to things when you had to find it
bronze quiver
am i allowed to delete my suggestion?
wooden wedge
yes
bronze quiver
ok
indigo fog
hasn't this been suggested like twice before
toxic kettle
that's a bluecheck
bronze quiver
it has?
toxic kettle
didn't that sug also go through
bronze quiver
i was reading through the suggestions
and I wasn't seeing anything like that
what does the bluecheck mean?
ok nvm
hollow shell
RIP cutscene sugg
toxic kettle
and even that was a bluecheck
indigo fog
Bluecheck means it has been delivered before, not suggested before
toxic kettle
ah
hollow shell
It's Death Mode, it's The Devourer Of Gods.
Of course it's hard
(also in my experience Yharon1 is going to be WAY harder. I had a lot of trouble with him even with post-DoG gear)
toxic kettle
You do realize what you signed up for when you started a Death mode run, don't you?
hollow shell
@short warren
toxic kettle
Death mode is supposed to be hard
indigo fog
also
short warren
I see...
short warren
ok
hollow shell
We dunno if you're gettin killed by the laser walls or the instakill head zooming in at 500mph or what
short warren
the head, after the last message the DoG just kills me by dashing.
ashen warren
I think that happened to me once and I immediately flipped death off
hollow shell
I recommend investing in Normality Relocator
short warren
I have that
toxic aurora
use it
hollow shell
Git gud
short warren
ight
toxic aurora
no for real get use to his movements
hollow shell
Look at where he is on the minimap, if you see him zoomin your way, gtfout of the way
short warren
k
hollow shell
You could even use the overlay map
hollow shell
You can change its transparency with keybinds
hollow shell
go in your controls menu
wooden wedge
he just did I thought
ashen warren
It shpuld be defaulted to + and -
hollow shell
There's two controls which are something like "minimap transparency up" and down
iirc I have it bound to PageUp and PageDown
wooden wedge
- and - are zoom levels though?
hollow shell
Ah, the defaults are the Page keys
@ashen warren Hey, you're back. Can you look at my ping from earlier? (and some messages afterward)
ancient willow
did i put my suggestion in the fright place earlier or was there another place i should habe put it?
frail mantle
the one about mouse pads, you mean?
ancient willow
yea
frail mantle
yea it's in the right place
at least, i don't think there's anywhere better you could've put it
ancient willow
ok thanks
cuz i scrolled through and i didnt see anyone else post anything like that so i just took a guess
ashen warren
Can i post antlions video there?
hollow shell
You can put it here so we can see it
ashen warren
tired haven
That's a lot of sand indeed
hollow shell
That's a fun video
ashen warren
And they did that in only five minutes
fervent citrus
asmr :P
hollow shell
@turbid kiln Don't use words like "also" at the start of your suggestion. It should be able to stand on its own without context of other suggestions
Also, if you could be more descriptive on what exactly needs to be nerfed about Yharon, that would be appreciated.
hallow kraken
Reason feels very personal
cyan glen
Why should need be nerfed that 2 bosses?
I don't see any reasons in that suggs
karmic stone
killed instantly on spawn
That just sounds like your defensive and mobility gear is poop
cyan glen
^ I think that doesn't happen
indigo fog
or you're in multiplayer
karmic stone
Nerf Yharon in MP its too unfair right now hurdur
lost agate
did pbg get a resprite or why does that sugg say "the new one"
cyan glen
I have Reaper tooth necklace and the Dimensional artifact, and I don't die instantly
indigo fog
it didn't get a resprite recently
karmic stone
Yes
lost agate
Yoiks
indigo fog
I have Reaper tooth necklace and the Dimensional artifact, and I don't die instantly
I have both of these with everclear and omega blue armor and don't die instantly
cyan glen
bruh
hallow hatch
What was the suggestion?
indigo fog
nerf yharon because he kills you instantly
frail mantle
nerf Yharon or something i think
hallow hatch
I see
indigo fog
it was something like that
cyan glen
Nerf the brimstone monsters of Scal bc is the 40/60 of the arena (jk)
tired haven
Nerf king slime because the gem punches me from the rope
Anyway
cyan glen
xDDD
hollow shell
Oh the DoG suggestion got the rip too I guess?
I sure hope those weren't yeeted by mods
cyan glen
Talking about yharon, I think the proyectiles deal low dmg for the first phase, compared to Yharon contact dmg, I could say up the dmg of them a little bit at least in death mode.
Maybe is bc is for balancing idk.
hollow shell
Well the DoG one may be okay cuz he already kinda conceded he could be playing better
@earnest raptor Just wanna make sure you know that gaining stealth while moving is an inherent rogue capability now, right?
Not limited to Mirage Mirror and its upgrades anymore
digital saddle
It takes like 7 seconds or something
radiant meadow
can you stop saying stuff like "I hope it wasn't deleted by mods"?
and it wasn't
hollow shell
Sorry Ben
I wanna avoid confusion and frustration
radiant meadow
thank you
hollow shell
I can stop bringing it up, yeah
lost agate
true melee is kind of a badly done concept
digital saddle
Imo stealth should be about catastrophic burst damage at infrequent intervals.
tired haven
I honestly enjoy the intentions behind that suggestion, but am clueless for how that would work
Vanilla grabbed pretty much every main class, everything else is just a deviation from mage or others (thrower is pretty much melee + ranger)
true melee doesn't exist in vanilla aside from exactly 1 weapon
distant gyro
true melee in vanilla is basically fetid bagnakhs yes
lost agate
oh yeah thats the only one that does smth
distant gyro
lost agate
the rest are just "i guess i slap a zombie with this"
radiant meadow
should buff classy cane to be better than baghnakhs
tired haven
Arkhalis could be claimed as 2nd one but it doesn't interact with melee speed which is true melee's main seller, to a degree
queen sail
Not sure how to make unique combat gameplay for game whose combat boils down to point and click (and hold) adventures
distant gyro
remind me how rare classy cane is
digital saddle
Even when stealth was good it wasnt playing like that
I'm fine with stealth generating as slowly as current but it should tend to provide more average DPS than just holding down left click
So the skill in rogue would be generating stealth quickly while still evading damage
tired haven
Classy cane is pearlwood sword tier anyway so
queen sail
As rare as any other town npc drop
radiant meadow
I gave classy cane and pearlwood sword 4x base dmg
distant gyro
tax collector himself to top it all off
radiant meadow
now they still suck but I digress
distant gyro
pearlwood still weaker than cobalt iirc but then classy cane gets buffed to god status
lost agate
pearlwood was designed as a pre hm set
on hardmode
now thats just next level filler
distant gyro
i thought relogic designed pearlwood to be filler in itself
ashen warren
pearlwood could be useful by just giving the full set the ability to make hallowed creatures passive
lost agate
well its not even a filler you can use like very early
ashen warren
neutral or whatever
lost agate
its just crap
tired haven
Just to say, when doing hardmode fresh start, I got to pearlwood tier analogue in about an hour (since was unlucky to not have hallow forest)
(lead bow) 
lost agate
but anyway my point is that, mage by itself is also just like ranged with mana if you generalize it enough, the "versatile and unique weaponery" is just smth that happens if the weapons themselves are done well
ashen warren
Specifically the bow and not all of the equipment?
earnest raptor
I honestly enjoy the intentions behind that suggestion, but am clueless for how that would work
Something simple from beginning:
Like Ink Bomb making bombs spreading a ink, or Glove of Recklessness copying daggers
@tired haven
lost agate
but as a concept mage is just ranged that consumes mana instead of ammo
radiant meadow
the sword and hammer got buffed but they still suck probably
lost agate
same can be said about thrower/rogue, by concept they dont have a lot, its more about how the weapons are done
hollow shell
I can get behind more distinct separate identities for each rogue subclass
hollow shell
Exclusive buffs and whatnot
lost agate
yeah that would be nice
hollow shell
I don't think it'll really add much more identity to rogue as a whole but it'll be nice
ashen warren
Well there is also how Melee subclasses for example are fundamentally different
lost agate
to be entirely fair
radiant meadow
time to repurpose scrapped stuff like Scuttler's Jewel and what not
digital saddle
Does rogue really even have subclasses
ashen warren
But that’s not really a thing for Rogue
hollow shell
It does but they're defined entirely by Invisibility Potion
lost agate
rogue will always be some sort of extension of throwing
and trying to avoid that its just dumb at this point
tired haven
Mage doesn't have subclasses. Unless we are about to call every single firing method a subclass 
radiant meadow
mage "subclasses" are defined entirely by sprite appearance
hollow shell
True
Mage's "subclasses" are based purely on visuals
digital saddle
I really really want stealth to be good is all
ashen warren
tomes/staves
tired haven
Aqua Scepter, Golden Shower
radiant meadow
so if anything rogue has more stuff to define its subclasses than mage 
radiant meadow
atlantis used to be a book
hollow shell
quick add Reading Glasses accessory which boosts the stats of tome weapons
ashen warren
Honestly, Mage weapons seem to be a lot more different than other classes to me at least
digital saddle
Mage weapons are like
tired haven
Because the very definition of magic is very vague
tired haven
You could swing half-transparent sword and call it magic
ashen warren
Skyrim memes
lost agate
these bad bois as an item 
hollow shell
(Some mods do that, Crab) 😔
lost agate
yyyyyyyeah terraria has been all over the place with what defines a class tbf
magic guns are a thing, swords that only work from afar are a thing, etc
digital saddle
Melee died with the plantera update
hollow shell
(In a way it was also born)
digital saddle
Now it's beam swords only
earnest raptor
^
ashen warren
Well, in the same class in vanilla is Razorpine, Vilethorn, Shadowflame Hex Doll (or whatever tf that weapon is called), gem staves, etc.
Whereas Ranged is largely summarized as, the guns shoot more/faster/stronger bullets and the bows shoot more/faster/stronger arrows as you progress. Not entirely accurate, but way more so than with Magic
tired haven
Melee: it looks like something you will fight with in medieval ages
Ranger: it has to shoot
Mage: it has to use mana
Summoner: it has to give you lingering projectiles 
lost agate
it also died when they boosted stats to a point face tanking kinda fell on his face
hollow shell
"lingering projectile" is the most honest and painful generalization of summoner I've heard
earnest raptor
I miss old Baum with his sword stabstabstabs.
lost agate
well, its basically that
frank nacelle
Why aren't nimbus-rod-type weapons summons tbh
hollow shell
That's exactly what it is
lost agate
added extras is just a buff icon
digital saddle
I would like if ALL melee got a bonus for true melee hits
So weaving in true melee between projectes becomes more worthwhile
lost agate
some potions help with that already
hollow shell
Yeah we've got a bunch of things for boosting true melee strikes/weapons only
https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/True_melee
tired haven
That being said, it would be curious to see how summoner will work if the summons actually had hp and could die but also be resummoned automatically
earnest raptor
Summoning Pixel Dungeon
lost agate
nah automatic ressumon would be kinda boring
tired haven
And non-automatic will turn into mage
hollow shell
Gotta have a Mana Flower-esque accessory which allows the auto resummons
ashen warren
Well, if you have summons that can be killed but by doing so sill take the enemy’s aggro off you, that could work
lost agate
well
you dont have to constantly check how your projectiles are doing when using mage do you
digital saddle
Summoner would need more control over it's minions
frank nacelle
You do have the right click option to allow targeting.
tired haven
It's not like you would be able to change much regardless too
tired haven
Well, that could be added tbf. Rn it's exclusive to a few mods
earnest raptor
Summoner would need more control over it's minions
In my game the summoner is fusion between terraria's summoner and thorium's healer, not that like it works currently, but presumption is like that
@digital saddle
hollow shell
Pretty much yeah
You can use it in single-player but very few of the healing effects will be relevant
tired haven
You can play it single, absolutely, but it feels incomplete
Most skills are aimed at teammates
hollow shell
(It's fun to play if you're doing multiplayer, I recommend it)
digital saddle
i dont play multiplayer because i dont have friends
hollow shell
earnest raptor
I want to say than HP-based summoner class should include healer content as well.
tired haven
That's nothing but a little theory rn so details are probably excessive 
indigo fog
achievements are somewhere in the don'ts right
wooden wedge
doens't an achievement mod exist already?
bronze quiver
it does?
wooden wedge
one that adds the ability for custom achieves
bronze quiver
huh
tepid root
doesnt work in mp iirc
bronze quiver
ok
indigo fog
under frequently suggested
hollow shell
Calamity achievements would be cool but I dunno how they would be executed
which of the (iirc several) achievement base mods would be used
sand umbra
quick add Reading Glasses accessory which boosts the stats of tome weapons
/quietly writes down notes
radiant meadow
that would have like no mod compatibility though
gray nebula
I'm not seeing a lot of reasonning here 
hollow shell
@pine cove I would not word that as "Abyss biome overhaul" and would probably mention the new NPC in the topic sentence
The entire suggestion prolly shouldn't be buried in the Why, either
There is reasoning but it's buried and not very long
That sugg should probably be reformatted
hollow shell
"Add a new quest-giving NPC for the Abyss"
frail mantle
Suggestion
hollow shell
"sugg" is short for "suggestion"
hollow shell
You can edit it, or delete it and repost once you've got it reformatted
hollow shell
aight
tired haven
that would have like no mod compatibility though
technically it would if such accessory is added for all the types of mage weapons
shroomite helmets cough cough
hollow shell
Nah I think he means it'd be impossible to detect if another mod's magic weapon is a tome
tired haven
Oh, in that way
True true
overhaul doesn't care and shoves half the rogue things in throwing and half in universal/magic
But that's so much of a scary design that I won't investigate on that
frosty dagger
Increase Ravengers speed and the speed of his projectiles but the lasers
Ravenger is completely helpless if you just run to the side. Him despawning is a bigger threat than anything he has because you can easily dodge it all by just running away, and most of his attacks won't ever even come on screen like the rock and flame pillars, and drill shaped nukes (I didn't even notice these existed until I check the wiki).
hexed ore
Ravager himself could do with a little speed boost
But his projectiles at any higher speed would make them a lot mroe difficult to dodge
Also, you can just stay by him if you wanna make the fight more of a close combat thing
Just stay by him
frosty dagger
You shouldn't have to resort to artificial difficulty for a boss on dmode
tired haven
Actually, weird that you were able to not despawn ravager while also not ever seeing drill nukes
frosty dagger
I almost got a no-hit on accident
tired haven
It's not to devalue the suggestion, I just am surprised it is possible situation
frosty dagger
Really? I got one despawn, but the second time it worked and I got hit by a cheap shot by a fist at the start
tired haven
Those nukes are constantly chewing on me even during runaways
gray nebula
pogchamp reasoning
distant gyro
ravager also fires lasers from its head
frosty dagger
It was easy, I didn't even do it on purpose
distant gyro
but at seemingly random intervals
frosty dagger
I said but the lasers
radiant meadow
@red cairn you need a reason why
also, is that a meme suggestion?
frosty dagger
You can see them a mile away, and they always go in the same place if you are running to the side
distant gyro
no I didn't mean the 8 lasers that come out of his body if you know what I mean
tired haven
unrelated thing but I imagine funneh thing with those golems from Dead Cells that teleport you to them if you go too far.
Too bad it won't work in contact damage and projectile hell
frosty dagger
I just ran away and they couldn't get to me
radiant meadow
you need a little more reasoning besides a subjective statement that "all bandit names are bad" @red cairn
frosty dagger
Actually if he stopped attacking for a sec that could work
tired haven
Then that will be cheese since you may force going away a lot
radiant meadow
like what does Neen even mean?
wooden wedge
why not isn't a reason
sleek wadi
Also "Neen"? Is this a reference I'm not getting, is it bandit in a different language or.
red cairn
It’s actually bandit in albanian
ashen warren
From my experience Death Ravager is faster than his projectiles
pine cove
fixed em up
ashen warren
then again this whole thing relies on the "if your platform is long enough" mentality, and then we get into the whole argument of whether we remove the reward of overpreparation
pine cove
I never noticed how slow ravager is
but thats because my mind is in maximum overdrive, I think very fast lol so I think due to that the ravager is fast
frosty dagger
It shouldn't just be a gaurenteed win by having a platform halfway across the world
ashen warren
True but WoF is like that
pine cove
Wait isn't ravager only fightable in the t emple
ashen warren
no
frail mantle
No
frosty dagger
No?
frail mantle
Only surface
ashen warren
That's Golem
frosty dagger
That's golem on death
pine cove
oh its been so long since i was on calamity
gusty geode
I once suggested changing the Abyss's 4th layer to resemble the Lost River from Subnautica more
Since the Lost River is the birthplace of Ghost Leviathans (the inspiration for Eidolon Wyrms) and has a ton of pools of sulphur in it
And the Abyss is underneath an ocean of sulphur
How well would it blow over if I reposted that?
gray nebula
sounds awfully specific
why the name and why the weapons used to defend themselves
also eidolon wyrms arent ghost leviathans anymore
gusty geode
Still
A lot of details happen to line up pretty well
hollow shell
@pine cove That is quite overly specific
pine cove
is it bad to be overly specific
hollow shell
You don't need the exact names, you don't need the exact unlocking condition, etc etc
You should only really describe the main functionality, the reason why you're suggesting the NPC
That is, teaching players about the Abyss and encouraging them to explore and such
Yes, it's bad to be overly specific
pine cove
idk why i like adding allot of detail and idk how to not add to much add to little
hollow shell
Gotta give the devs more freedom on how the sugg can be executed
(and including more details gives people more reasons to disagree with you. The more general you are, the more people can fill in the blanks themselves)
pine cove
Is it okay if i get a bit of assistance for a good amount of details please, or should I just edit the unlock condition, name, and defense out
hollow shell
You can remove this paragraph entirely. It's not necessary to the NPC's core function
tired haven
is that why "moar content ples" are so common recently, rover?
hollow shell
(I don't know)
pine cove
fixed it
radiant meadow
abyss world gen probably isn't changing
pine cove
ik
hollow shell
Yeah I don't think he's suggesting that
pine cove
this isnt spawn change suggestion
radiant meadow
someone mentioned it above
hollow shell
ah
radiant meadow
hollow shell
I see
pine cove
ah
radiant meadow
they should sell unique weapons though
there's no point in selling a soul edge if you already have one
radiant meadow
just say some new, unique weapons
hollow shell
The important part about that is no specific item suggestions
You can see an example of that in the Suggestion Don'ts doc
pine cove
ooh
hollow shell
You can say "make the NPC sell some new unique items" or whatever
but as long as you don't say "Make the NPC sell the Wave Crasher: A post-Golem mage item that consumes 50 mana, etc etc etc"
radiant meadow
brb making the Wave Crasher
hollow shell
@pallid brook Word that topic sentence like a suggestion, not like a statement
radiant meadow
this old sprite will work
hollow shell
wew, I don't remember that. looks neat
tired haven
That looks more like Lumenyl Eater tbh
hollow shell
(with all due respect I doubt Necro made it)
hollow shell
There we go
pine cove
fixed it
hollow shell
Thank you
ashen warren
I hate biome spreading too but technically the Astral Infection should spread if Hallow and world evils can
radiant meadow
god no
ashen warren
Imagine
pallid brook
actually why is that not a thing
radiant meadow
as cool as it would be in concept, it sounds terrible in practice
because spreading biomes are annoying
hollow shell
Fab hates spreading biomes
frank nacelle
Yeah I already have enough trouble with two spreading biomes eating my house.
ashen warren
I hate spreading biomes too, they always kill my jungle
pallid brook
what if the jungle spread too?
sleek wadi
Also I think they tried it but it lagged the fuck out of the game.
pine cove
i had a biome spread once literally almost touch my base so having more spread is to much
tired haven
Then nothing will spread tho
frank nacelle
Make the underworld spread.
pallid brook
what if meteor spread...
frank nacelle
Make the dungeon spread.
ashen warren
imagine the desert spreads
hollow shell
aight that's enough
sleek wadi
Have the entire world sink 1 block into hell every full day
hollow shell
Sounds very very hard to execute
ashen warren
Just watch Hec's the world is a dungeon playthrough
sleek wadi
Weird suggestion but okay I guess
I guess it applies to standard calamity to because of the Evil Island.
tired haven
About the newest suggestion, that's actually pretty cool way to limit natural spawns, altho the suggestion itself explains itself in a bit weird and hard to understand way
frail mantle
doesn't the primary evil boss lore item thingy happen because BoC/EoW has the same downed bool or something
hollow shell
@supple lodge The both evils mod shouldn't be your main reasoning
Should be Evil Island
radiant meadow
they share a downed bool
hollow shell
because that's Calamity native
radiant meadow
that's why
frail mantle
yea
radiant meadow
it's not really worth my time to add two custom bools
tired haven
Wait, there came another one while I was typing, wack
sleek wadi
Could be changed to a first-drop kinda deal like Golem's Picksaw
pallid brook
biome lore item stops biome boss spawner from spawning
frank nacelle
That could also work for the ocean, and I guess the sulfurous sea one could prevent natural AS spawns?
sleek wadi
I'd mention that that part would be added to the tooltip.
pallid brook
edited to make it more general
tired haven
Nice, now it conveys the idea pretty well
(altho I'd add examples of boss spawners. "E. g. Hive Cyst, ???,.." or something in that way)
split narwhal
Buff/change amidias' pendant
Currently, the amidias' pendant is a very underwhelming accessory.It's effect to cause prism shards to periodically rain down every 2 seconds.Small shards deal 15 damage, while large shards deal 30 damage.This is basically useless, as these prism shards can hardly hit anything, and their damage isn't big enough to even compensate for their terrible accuracy;By buffing/changing this accessory it would also make giant clam more worthwhile to fight in pre hm(majority currently just fights giant clam for sea king).
thoughts
split narwhal
I'll post it later if that's the case
hollow shell
You could also group in AS spawning on his own
tired haven
Atlas kinda counts? But not sure and that may have changed
sleek wadi
Astral Biome lore drops from Astrum Deus doesn't it?
frank nacelle
You only get the Astral Infection lore item from Deus anyways, so it's not an issue by the time you have it.
tired haven
Ah, they only trigger the fight if LC is dead but AD is not. Then it's fine
pulsar jay
If an evil mimic is spawned on the crimson/corruption island they should become that evil biome's mimic as opposed to the original
unless that's a hardcoded thing
split narwhal
there is no way for them to spawn there other than using keys
split narwhal
Biome mimics only spawn underground
hallow kraken
Isn’t there already that calamity’s vanity mod or whatever it’s called
hollow shell
Yes, there is a Calamity Vanities mod which adds many pets (including boss pets)
You can go check that out, Midnight
sterile hinge
oh... my apologies then lpl
split narwhal
k, posted the sugg now
pulsar jay
maybe there could be the ability to craft specific evil keys, maybe by adding demonite/crimtane to the recipe, allowing you to spawn a crimson mimic in a corruption world without having to tear apart the island and put it all underground. That's inane
hollow shell
Perhaps
Or something like, letting the Steampunker sell both evil solutions during a Blood Moon instead of just the respective one
Would allow you to spread it a lot faster
pulsar jay
oh yeah or you could do that
even still you have to wait for biome mimic rng
and then more rng in the drops
because you can't use the key
hollow shell
Uhh better should suggest them separately
They go well together but still operate on their own
pulsar jay
seems like a bunch of extra flood and typing when i coudl shove it into one message
hollow shell
Eh
It'd be the same amount of chat space, just in two different messages
The only increased usage would be the extra star reaction
sleek wadi
I'd hold off on posting it for a while though, chat's kinda filled atm.
hollow shell
mmm this is true
bitter drift
i have another small suggestion
mineral fountain: 1 eutrophic sand, 1 navystone and 20 stone
abyssal fountain: 1 abyssal gravel, 1 void stone and 20 stone
sulfurous fountain: made by 2 sulfurous and sand 20 stone
or just buy it from the witch doctor after DS, skeletron and AS respectively
fountains for decorations that shows the color of the water in that biome
reason: small decoration for your base
teal ibex
wait why is that pbg suggestion still up? wha?
hollow shell
I've got an idea for when it inevitably reaches 120
It's not gettin fuckin delivered, not on my watch
But I'll do something with it
bitter drift
also 120 stars for one of my suggestions (astral things like ice and solutions being called gray instead of astral)
teal ibex
bitter drift
ok
sand umbra
also how dare you disrespect Astral water like that
not even gonna give it a fountain
smh
sand umbra
if you're gonna get specific at least do it right 
pulsar jay
shit i already posted it
hollow shell
It's fine
pulsar jay
i didn't notice what spark said
sleek wadi
And another one sent, and another one sent, and another sugg sent to chat!
sand umbra
I understood that reference
pulsar jay
fixed
hollow shell
Topic sentence, I meant
bitter drift
wait was it added already?
split narwhal
oh god another one
bitter drift
ok
hollow shell
(also @ Hadari
"sell evil both solutions")
That is, by the way, 10 suggestions in the past hour and a half
3 of them being in the past 5 minutes
bitter drift
that's a lot
radiant meadow
pretty sure biome mimic spawning is hardcoded
bitter drift
and i remember when i was like that
radiant meadow
unless we add like some custom key crap to spawn the other mimic
bitter drift
ah the good times
hollow shell
Yeah Hadari suggests a new key
pulsar jay
i just suggested that
toxic kettle
Giant Clam: "Am I a joke to you?"
hollow shell
@unreal sparrow Giant Clam?
toxic kettle
also boss sug
indigo fog
does this count as a boss sugg
hollow shell
Also Eutrophic Scimitar and Serpentine