nah, nah, 1(1) = 1
#suggestions-discussion
hollow shell
cobalt rose
shutupnerd.gif
gray nebula
yeah I was just making the amount clearer
hollow shell
Anyway yeah we gettin cool summons
echo lynx
there needs to be another pet to add to the kendra and bear duo
gray nebula
sadly not enough to double the summoner content in a single update (I mean yes but they aren't coded)
echo lynx
triple pet
ancient crow
Just make all the pets into summon weapons 
gray nebula
the downside is not because of the leviathan lore its because it needs a downside
just like every other lore item
hollow idol
lavish goblet
does that means you plan to add downsides to lore items who don't have one yet, like the astral bosses?
weary walrus
Nobody is crazy enough to go in space during boss fight
Low gravity can ruin the fight quickly
lavish goblet
also, losing an inventory slot to allow the siren pet to move normally seems like a downside in itself, the siren could have that effect only and the leviathan keeps all other effects
ashen warren
@weary walrus gravity normalizer potions exist
Also, I think that young siren always being submerged specifically should not be tied to downsides given that the wisp in a bottle exists
hollow shell
(Gravity Normalizer Potions also require an Aureus Cell and a fish to craft)
ashen warren
Well you get aureus cells at the same time you get his lore, so unless they were suggesting you fight aureus there, I don’t see the issue
hollow shell
Nah I'm just saying it's relatively expensive
I guess you do get plenty of em per kill so yeah it's prolly not an issue
ashen warren
It is annoying to kill him a fee times though (at least it is for my because I find his fight long)
ashen warren
What if lore items got most downsides reworked to be less painful, but at the same time, got split up to take up more inventory slots.
so to use the true melee DoG lore you'd need to use 3-4 lore items, a DoG lore 1 to 4, and only with all 4 does the effect activate
if that makes sense
gray nebula
ashen warren
It also allows more writing to be part of lore items
hollow shell
That's kind of a fun idea
drifting vigil
Ruined Drones with the left one mostly found in the floor with the head sticking out and and the right one with the bottom sticking out of the roof in caves, which might fall on the player.
hollow shell
Three things
- the sprites don't need to be that god damn massive
- specific enemy suggestions are really tricky and bordering on disallowed, considering specific item suggestions are blatantly disallowed
- Why?
ashen warren
I think the idea of right clicking broken wulfrum drones to get some free and early shards is neat, but ultimately pointless
if it's an enemy then lol
hollow shell
If these are just environmental objects and not enemies, that could be interesting
but again, why?
radiant meadow
wulfrum is getting reworked/resprited
hollow shell
In the... indefinite future
drifting vigil
Since the Wulfrum Drones are the easiest robotic monsters, why not make it already damaged?
You can get some free wulfrum shards when you right click them just like Sequence said
But you can't get it completely free
You need to make it free out of dirt, stone, etc. before right clicking.
drifting vigil
like it is stuck in the dirt and you need to get rid of what is covering it
hollow shell
Oh, I misinterpreted what you said by "make it free"
drifting vigil
I'm sorry
hollow shell
s'fine
Seems like an okay suggestion, then
Add some flavor to the world, showing that those weak-ass robots have been defeated by others in the past
If you post it, just make it clear that the sprites are examples of what they could look like (or don't include them at all)
It's been a long while since we've had suggestions with sprites attached since SISs got banned
and definitely put the sprites in their proper sizes if you do include them...
And also, of course, make sure you articulate your reasoning well
frosty dagger
Make Plaugebringer Goliath's stingers visible underground.
PBG even enrages on the surface so you are heavily encouraged to fight her underground. However, you can't see the stingers, this makes it completely random whether or not they hit you because you can't circle either.
hollow shell
(not much review time, eh?)
indigo fog
I always use omniscience potions with minimal light when fighting pbg
so i recommend doing that
hollow shell
ye, you could do that
indigo fog
it works really well
frosty dagger
Ight, but you shouldn't be required to have a potion
hollow shell
The stingers do have a glowmask, and multiple colors on em
I guess they could use like a vivid green particle trail or something
s'not the first time this has been suggested
drifting vigil
What is an SIS?
hollow shell
Specific Item Suggestion
drifting vigil
and what happened that made them banned? (I don't think I was there when that happened)
frosty dagger
I can't see them, but I changed it to include that you shouldn't be required to have a potion
hollow shell
Here's an example of one
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/482998084138172446/567898978406891532/unknown.png
We used to get a lot of these
And they almost never got implemented by the devs
weary walrus
despite such effort they put into it
hollow shell
People had some really fucking extensive ideas, too
The channel was a pain to wade through for some people
so they eventually got banned, because they were better off gone to give more of a spotlight to suggestions that actually had a chance of getting in
drifting vigil
So maybe my idea and the boss too, is kinda impossible to get into terraria
because i could add them if i know how to mod
but then the wulfrum is part of calamity
hollow shell
You could definitely word your suggestion in a way that's more general
It could be valid
drifting vigil
i could try getting the ruined drones in the mod
the boss is still impossible due to the no bosses rule
hollow shell
You were planning to suggest a boss?
Yeah that's not happenin
Bosses have been disallowed since like day 1
drifting vigil
and calamity owns the wulfrum style thing
hollow shell
ye
weary walrus
sounds like calamity dlc if that exists
hollow shell
You kinda can
Some mods exist that change Calamity stuff, like Dom's Infernium Mod
(I think that was the name)
subtle oracle
That stuff is not official tho
hollow shell
Yeah of course it isn't
weary walrus
that's why it's "dlc"
drifting vigil
maybe i should not try to suggest something
because my ideas mostly have a heavy chance to get rejected anyway.
hollow shell
I still got hope for the dilapidated drone thing if it's done right. Could add some neat world flavor.
It's your choice to post, though. If you don't wanna then aight
hollow shell
Alright.
sleek wadi
God I hate the feeling of "Really neat idea but can't suggest because such and such". I have a pretty detailed idea for a Rare Elemental replacement but A. Too close to SIS and B. Fab is fine with the way Rare Elemental is so that's probably not getting changed.
void kelp
you can always be broader
drifting vigil
what does that mean?
void kelp
don’t have a specific suggestion, broaden its scope so that it isn’t a specific time
**item
specific items would be stuff like “add x item which does this”
broad item suggestions like “add a way to do this”
hollow shell
That would indeed be much broader
I do think that a topic sentence like "Add some broken down Wulfrum Drone background objects to the surface" is fine enough, as long as it's substantiated with some good reasoning
talkin bout the drones being weak, and givin some life n' history to the world, and whatnot
void kelp
more background objects would be neat as flavor and depth
hot zephyr
that's a really neat idea
you could add petrified corpses in the sulphurous sea as well
hot zephyr
as well as background objects in hell to show there was once a city that used to live there
void kelp
small things
hollow shell
Yes but please do give a lot of reasoning for it
Cuz of course, the devs did the change for a reason
hot zephyr
hot zephyr
Zerg & Zen were just really useful for farming mats and drops and building arenas.
No I'm saying their change that made em' post plant.
hollow shell
m
Well that's why we buffed Calming and Peace Candles
hollow shell
Yeah, that's fair
We don't wanna eliminate enemies as threats tho, during that arena building
The Calming & Peace definitely have an affect, but you've still gotta pay some attention
hot zephyr
It's not like I wipe them out instantly with my Flak Kraken...
The problem is that there isn't any actual new content there, just a pesky annoyance
Here's a suggestion: Let the Peace Candle be equippable like an accessory where players that equip it become a portable dispenser of the buff
hollow shell
That doesn't really apply for arena building
where you stay mostly in one general area
hot zephyr
It still helps exploring/mining
hot zephyr
But if you want to use em' both?
hollow shell
It's not as great of a decrease as Calming + Peace, yes, but it's something
Again, don't wanna eliminate the threats
hot zephyr
A nice accessory would be something that'd have all the mod candles combined that you could toggle between ala the Grand Design but that's a specific suggestion
hollow shell
smells like Luiafk's toggles
You could suggest that potion/candle movement change be made
but it would be a bluecheck, of a rejected suggestion no less
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/672171480490049557
hot zephyr
F
queen delta
My only problem is that summoners get the benefit of not having to do anything since minions do the work for you
but for all other classes, it's extra effort just to pull out your weapon to take care of enemies
That's why I'm considering a new accessory that massively reduces enemy aggro to the point where they have to be very close to you to target you, but in the cost of disabling all weapons and minions and take more damage.
hot zephyr
Sounds like Zen with extra steps
sleek wadi
Add a true melee weapon post-DoG
There is literally ONE true melee weapon in between DoG and dev items, being Cosmic Discharge. Cosmic Discharge is a 1% rev exclusive drop, from the 2nd longest true melee fight in the entire game only trumped by Scal. The runner up, The Last Mourning, only reaches around 27k DPS on a stationary target before buffs and DoG lore on an all Warding build. That level of DPS is already terrible for a typical build against Yharon, and absolutely worthless for true melee.
A playthrough hinging on a 1-in-100 drop from a 10 minute long fight, for a class that already really really wants a specific shrine item and 1-in-40 drop, is straight up unacceptable. Whatever this new true melee item does doesn't really matter, it could be another shortsword but all it needs to do is reach true melee levels of DPS and be easy to obtain.
Does this suggestion fall under a Don'ts for being a subclass filler or?
queen sail
I mean
They don’t get considered because subclass playthroughs are just handicap challenges
sleek wadi
True melee has the most support for a particular subclass by far, having an option for every other point in the game and several dedicated buffs and accessories. I believe it to be beyond a simple subclass. Also expert and normal runs literally can't get Cosmic Discharge so
zenith hazel
it's still a subclass regardless
it's a small branch in the melee category, same deal with yoyos, spears, etc.
just because it arguably gets more treatment than the other ones doesn't make it any less of a subclass
lost agate
I mean there was mourning star in there
It got moved cuz of its wacky position
But yeah complementing true melee just for the next boss to absolutely obliterate the subclass sounds wack
"hey we added true melee post dog, you killed yharon? Good because true melee is now dead"
tired haven
time to argue how feasible it is to murder yharhar with icicle
sleek wadi
Oh boy a 15 minute fight followed up by an even longer one because you need to land 90 icicle hits against mr. dashy.
Anyways, I do think a feasible true melee option for Scal is also needed but one for Yharon is a much more pressing matter considering Yharon is final boss.
sleek wadi
Also having a feasible to get true melee weapon at DoG would make true melee the 5th subclass to have no major weapon deficiencies throughout the entire standard playthrough, others being Bows only, Guns only, Magic Guns only, and Tomes only. Not very important but still neat.
small talon
you shouldnt make suggestions on how to change a dev item, its designed how they want it to be
solemn flame
- the item is supposed to be made for speed.
you dont really want infi flight in a boss for less speed
everyone sentinels+ mostly rely on you being really fast
idle crescent
solemn flame
kk
hollow shell
You know what would be a much more compelling argument than true-melee-only runs, Spark?
DoG's lore item.
hollow shell
Boosts true melee damage.
pulsar jay
but what was the drawback
hollow shell
Increased damage taken
hollow shell
It's a big risk
pulsar jay
nasty
sleek wadi
True melee gets around it via Titan Skin.
wooden wedge
potion
pulsar jay
UGGSGSGSHSHS
solemn flame
drink good thingy
pulsar jay
fucking fishing
solemn flame
sleek wadi
Titan Skin potion gives 25 defense and 10% DR while holding true melee, means you basically don't need Warding to reach 33% DR if you get other buff items.
hollow shell
(tbf, the lore item also works for all melee weapons, only affecting the direct hits rather than the projs)
(but you would really think there'd be a true melee weapon to let you actually capitalize on the item fully
but there's no dedicated ones after DoG)
wooden wedge
this isn't the place to vent on you hating fishing
sleek wadi
But yeah, having DoG lore also require a 1% rev exclusive drop in order to even work properly is also really really dumb.
pulsar jay
i want to do true melee but i play expert
pulsar jay
and the strategy seems to have always been waiting for adrenaline which I don't have
wooden wedge
true melee is on expert
pulsar jay
so i don't really know
hollow shell
Survive with Last Mourning on Yharon and SCal 
pulsar jay
how to do it
hollow shell
Oh, holy shit
DoG lore does not work on all melee weapons
It only works on true melee dedicated weapons
Aight now you've got a really solid case
pulsar jay
yeah why do you have a subclass scattered throughout the whole game allowing for a a full playthrough with it, but then pull a big middle finger and just end it out of nowhere
teal ibex
i mean, is it better to have none of something than an incomplete set of something?
pulsar jay
also what the fuck how does a boss drop a lore that boosts a specific weapon type and then not drop that weapon type in a realiable way
teal ibex
it's also worth mentioning that this is literally one of the most difficult, forced classes in the entire game
hollow shell
(according to thrower Hec, the answer is "YES")
sleek wadi
Add a post-DoG true melee weapon
DoG's lore item, which gives a 50% buff to true melee at the cost of making you more fragile. HOWEVER, the ONLY true melee weapon that exists between DoG and post-Yharon 2 is Cosmic Discharge. A 1-in-100 rev exclusive drop from what is already one of the longest fights in the game. The next best thing is Last Mourning which only deals less-than-average DPS against Yharon. Thus the lore item is practically useless unless you get really lucky.
This also really sucks for true melee runs, as now on top of the shrine item hunt and Astrum Deus farm for Hide of Astrum Deus, they need to farm a 1-in-100 drop from a 10 minute long fight.
Is that a better suggestion and also no longer a don't?
hollow shell
(I got it right in the end)
Don't even bring up true melee runs
They're not a valid argument
pulsar jay
terraria wasn't balanced with true melee in consideration at all
hollow shell
You're good with what you've got
pulsar jay
which makes melee look really stupid because it ends up being ranger 2 because of it
teal ibex
ranger, but balanced
sleek wadi
Alright, so just mention the DoG lore item.
teal ibex
well. relatively speaking.
frank nacelle
Maybe rework the lore item instead?
teal ibex
i mean, you could argue that DoG lore exists because of the absence of such a weapon, but it doesn't do that job well enough and is more of a bandaid than an actual solution
hollow shell
It would prolly be easier to just rework the lore item
rather than add like 4 or 5 true melee weps after DoG to make the item worth it
pulsar jay
sure, ranger is broken as fuck but it's still awkward for you to just be using a reskinned gun when you're supposed to be a warrior
sleek wadi
I was really going hard on the true melee run because like, they already have to beat the odds TWICE and having a 3rd luck intensive farm is just BRUH
teal ibex
oh yeah i wholly agree that melee has zero identity
frank nacelle
Boomerangs are melee. Somehow.
pulsar jay
disgusting
teal ibex
melee needed build supplements to make it what it actually should've been. it needed ways to avoid hits, but instead we get meowmere
hollow shell
Terror Blade should be a wand.
pulsar jay
the uh
sleek wadi
Melee's build identity should be closer to what the true melee run is, but instead it is mage with occaisional DPS spikes because of the blade.
pulsar jay
whatchamacallit from ooa kinda showed what true melee could've been
frank nacelle
Sleepy octopus?
teal ibex
brand of the inferno or something
pulsar jay
the counter allowed a reliable way to get close and then dish out heavy damage
yeah
I don't know why they didn't make a lot more of those
teal ibex
it's interesting, but still really half baked since you have to block OR deal damage, not both
hollow shell
global offensive
teal ibex
isn't that just a buff?
pulsar jay
the amount of hits you'd land with regulsr striked would have the same effect except you'd die
hollow shell
It is a super buff
teal ibex
i've literally never used it. i just saw the DG oneshot
hollow shell
It boosts your next hit by like 500%
pulsar jay
I can't type properly
teal ibex
i mean yeah that's epic but also extremely cheesy and predicated on the idea that "if i hit them hard enough, they'll die before i do" which is kinda jank
hollow shell
People are fuckin sleeping on Brand
teal ibex
and, you can definitely hit them hard enough given the DG oneshot, so there's that
pulsar jay
doesn't the counter negate the hit you blocked?
sleek wadi
OOA drop, true melee at that, yeah no one is gonna bother.
hollow shell
OOA's got some beast items but people hate doing it fsr
teal ibex
yeah, that's what i'm saying
sleek wadi
I didn't even bother because why rely on getting hit when I can just Mantis Claws and kill the thing faster than I die.
teal ibex
you can either: block, and avoid the hit OR deal a huge hit, and take damage
pulsar jay
i mean if melee was that with a bunch of unique counterstrike mechanics or mechanics with the blocks themsleves
teal ibex
it's a very jank binary system of cheese
pulsar jay
I'd play it
teal ibex
ideally, melee should be able to deal damage without taking it, but that's not really how brand operates
frank nacelle
I don't see why you can't just hit something with a shield.
pulsar jay
SoC
hollow shell
Anyway we're gettin off topic of the DoG lore item
pulsar jay
sock
frank nacelle
(I meant like more generally.)
hollow shell
Feel free to post, Spark
teal ibex
shieldbashing is a unique form of dealing damage, it just isn't ever worth it lol
pulsar jay
i mean
hollow shell
You could rework the suggestion to ask for DoG's lore item to be changed
but I assume you don't want to do that
teal ibex
if they expanded upon it it could be interesting, but why do that when we can add pogosticks 
hollow shell
given your ulterior motive
autumn lion
hec is in the place
sleek wadi
How do I get around the argument of reworking DoG's lore item.
teal ibex
reworking DoG's lore item avoids a key issue in the mod
hollow shell
Well if it does get sent, and reworking DoG's lore item gets brought up, that fix could happen too
You could include both options in the sugg
teal ibex
though i guess if you can't argue t melee it's hard to get that point across
hollow shell
different solutions to solve the same problem
sleek wadi
True melee is literally THIS CLOSE to being able to consistently do a run, but then road block at the end.
pulsar jay
yeah I don't see the point in just giving them the fuck you finger at the end when there was a perfectly fine route going
hollow shell
I hate to say it, man
but suggs' reasoning cannot be for doing subclass exclusive runs
sleek wadi
One item is all they'd need, a long ass spear with nothing special except being long and fast would do.
frank nacelle
Infinite range true melee weapon
sleek wadi
I wanna literally poke Yharon with a 20 foot pole
hollow shell
Is this Universe Of Swords
pulsar jay
anyway regardless i honestly hate that true melee is stuffed into a tiny subclass even though true melee is actual melee
because "melee" as a whole disgusts me and makes me sad
in fact you aren't even allowed to call those beam swords melee by a definitive standpoint
damn, spark about to send a 20 paragraph long essay
sleek wadi
Add another post-DoG true melee weapon
DoG's lore item, which gives a 50% buff to true melee at the cost of making you more fragile. HOWEVER, the ONLY true melee weapon that exists between DoG and post-Yharon 2 is Cosmic Discharge. A 1-in-100 rev exclusive drop from what is already one of the longest fights in the game. The next best thing is Last Mourning which only deals less-than-average DPS against Yharon. Thus the lore item is practically useless unless you get really lucky.
Why not rework the lore item instead? Because lore items tend to represent their boss with like, 3 exceptions being the item range extenders which are more loose connections than anything. DoG's item already represents it best as its whole strategy is to maul your face you with no regards to safety, anything else would simply be worse.
This good?
hollow shell
Yeah sure
hollow shell
The range extenders still make a bit of sense
hollow shell
cuz Plant and Polter have long grabby claws, and WoF's got grabby mouths
frank nacelle
Plantera and Polterghast I get, but WoF's is a bit weird.
Oh yeah those.
Still a bit weird.
sleek wadi
The item extenders are dropped by bosses with lots of grabby appendages, so it kinda makes sense. Again its loose.
pulsar jay
they all could've been better
frank nacelle
I mean by the same token Skeletron has grabby hands, Yharon has grabby claws, Signus has a grabby face...
pulsar jay
wof lore could make you faster the lower your hp
polter lore could've gave you stat boosts in the dungeon
sleek wadi
Yeah but are those grabby bits literally seperate enemies summoned in swarms? With the exception of Polter no.
teal ibex
i would much rather have grab range than dungeon stats
hollow shell
Skeletron's the only case for someone else to get it
pulsar jay
plantera lore could've been hook boosts
frank nacelle
Why would you need dungeon stats?
hollow shell
Yharon and Signus are huge stretches
sleek wadi
Hook boosts for polter more like
pulsar jay
why would you need grab range
hollow shell
I like the grab range boosts
frank nacelle
I know I'm... reaching.
hollow shell
That
would be cool
hollow shell
Damn, first time I've heard Polter referred to as "she"
pulsar jay
maybe you get an omega blue tentacle effect at low life
frank nacelle
Plantera is usually referred to as female and Polterghast is dungeon Plantera. It makes sense.
pulsar jay
but with vines
hollow shell
Nah that's too unique and significant for a lore item
hollow shell
oh
tired haven
hollow shell
pulsar jay
i don't have any way to respond to that
sleek wadi
Polter is an amalgam, so it is a girl, boy, robot with a soul, etc.
teal ibex
that's because it's true
frank nacelle
...Yeah nobody ever does male art for anything. (I mean in fairness I'm not sure if any of the bosses are canonically male.)
pulsar jay
I've been slain
hollow shell
Yharon is
hollow shell
aaaand yeah I think that's it
hollow shell
Draedon is an alien cyborg iirc
pulsar jay
dog is male
pulsar jay
what
hollow shell
DoG's always called "it"
pulsar jay
was a female voice
teal ibex
cosmic plushie is based upon female fanart, so by the transitive property...
pulsar jay
saying "it's not over yet kid"
teal ibex
LOL??
pulsar jay
die
teal ibex
rover you're a riot
frank nacelle
DoG is voiced by an edgy 12 year old getting angry at their computer, change my mind.
hollow shell
Thanks Hec 
pulsar jay
anyway i mean
teal ibex
yo when we get adult eidolon wyrm voicelines hmu
tired haven
To be entirely honest
Edgy genderless teen sounds less cool than edgy teen
frank nacelle
It's budget RoD.
hollow shell
BoC's lore is prolly the most unique lore item-
pulsar jay
EoW is spore sac with a downside
hollow shell
actually no
teal ibex
brain's lore is actually completely useless currently
pulsar jay
they're both unique
teal ibex
besides perforators, it doesn't do anything
hollow shell
EoW's actually has unique sprites
tired haven
Slime God lore gang
pulsar jay
Except EoW is good and Boc is bad
frank nacelle
You could always Crimsonify your arena to use it though.
sleek wadi
BoC's lore is very fitting. A teleporting crimson exclusive boss giving you a crimson exclusive teleport? Almost a no-brainer heh
teal ibex
the next boss is wall, which you can't, and unlocks hardmode/rod of discord
frank nacelle
Also yeah Slime God lore is the best lore.
teal ibex
so there's one boss you always can use it on, one you can force, and that's it for brain lore
hence why i suggested a rework ages ago
pulsar jay
planteras lore needs to be something other than item grab
I don't think anyone would want to sacrifice inv space for something so miniscule
frank nacelle
How about something that has to do with being at the surface in a high light level?
teal ibex
at least until post cv
sleek wadi
Slime God also fits. A ground based, fast paced fight giving you an item that makes every fight fast and ground based. Also more like pink gel than normal gel but whatever.
frank nacelle
Also yeah I always equip all three grab range lore items.
hollow shell
Well it mimics the effects of Frozen normal gel blocks
teal ibex
you subjectively believe they lack value, but others find them appealing. that's why they haven't been changed.
they're not an issue, just a point of disagreement
pulsar jay
what if there was a lore item that allowed you to pick things up with hooks
that's a terrible idea nevermind
alright and I'm bored. I guess I'll just go and... chain myself to the ground i guess?
teal ibex
as you should
teal ibex
as you should
hollow shell
I'm literally watching that vid right now
teal ibex
pulsar jay
trim raptor
Wayy late but I would love a way to use the little siren out of water without the downside, even if the spelunker potion effect was removed from the buff it gets from the lore
It's such a good looking light pet that it's a shame it has that drawback
pulsar jay
can we just get a regular pet version of babi siren
she's so cute but it makes me sad when she flop
pulsar jay
not making those sacrifices for some light pet
trim raptor
Levi's lore also has some pretty drastic drawbacks, which make sense if you're using it more for the sirens heart buff
oolung's suggestion is a pretty solid option
frosty dagger
Give Duke Fishron a rev+ attack
Almost every boss has one, but Duke doesn't, he doesn't even at least get more aggressive. Duke is really easy to beat once you know how and is even easier to beat than Golem, a rev+ attack would help spice it up a bit.
hollow shell
Fair, sounds good
lost agate
DoG lore
E
hollow shell
Indeed
hollow shell
m
If it's sprited well, we'll add it. Fab and a lot of other devs have said that they would love more on-player visuals
pulsar jay
fuck I can't sprite
frosty dagger
Should I include info on how to easily beat Duke or no
sleek wadi
Imagine if Counter Scarf had a flowing cloth that attached to player's back and followed their movement instead of the typical approach to scarves.
frosty dagger
That's a dream
queen sail
You mean like
sleek wadi
It'd look kinda janky thinking about it, but should be possible.
queen sail
sleek wadi
You know gravity flails? Basically take the physics from those a rework em a bit.
queen sail
This
hollow shell
Actual cloth physics?
sleek wadi
Sorta, yeah
hollow shell
What the hell?
pulsar jay
what mod has that
queen sail
SoA
pulsar jay
downloading immediately
queen sail
Dan figured that one out somehow
Bruhnga
You’re gonna be waiting for a longass while for that scarf
sleek wadi
I was thinking something less complex than that, but yeah
pulsar jay
I'll just cheat it in as vanity
vanity is vanity as long as I don't use it's stats I'm not doing anything weong
queen sail
It’s not even in the current version
pulsar jay
What
hollow shell
Well actually that's not cloth physics as much as it is
a wavy thing that trails behind you
but that still looks super good
pulsar jay
pulsar jay
queen sail
Update’s gonna come out in around a month or so maybe
frosty dagger
A month? Wow, they are working really fast
pulsar jay
damn I didn't know they could work at that kind of pace and still have that quality
amazing
tepid root
Duke
easier than Golem
what
pulsar jay
what
frosty dagger
Yea
pulsar jay
no
queen sail
Not have a consistent inflow of sprites and anims
tepid root
golem even in death is a joke lol
frosty dagger
I beat Duke pre siren and levi on a random spawn
pulsar jay
that's like saying yharon is easier than rav
pulsar jay
he's drunk
tepid root
true
pulsar jay
don't listen to him
hollow shell
Nah nah
frosty dagger
I'm not there is a strat, let me explain
hollow shell
Have you fucking seen Rev Golem?
frosty dagger
It's nuts
tepid root
i have fought death golem and beat him first try
pulsar jay
DEEZ NUTS
hollow shell
It's pure insanity
frosty dagger
More random the skill bases in my opinion
sand umbra
I seem to recall Rev+ Golem still dying to all the same strats save for locking him in a box of dirt
frosty dagger
One sec, I'll explain why Duke is easier in the sug
sleek wadi
Still dies to similar strats, Mantis Claws literally eats it alive assuming you already have rage.
tepid root
not sure about that but death golem was still pretty damn easy for me even without box cheese
zenith hazel
doesn’t he already technically have a rev+ thing though?
pulsar jay
what
sleek wadi
He has invincibility during phase changes IIRC
zenith hazel
he also spawns sharkrons while spinning in p2 + sharkrons spawned from nadoes are bigger
there’s also something in p3, can’t remember
sand umbra
he spawns Cthulhunadoes during phase 3, shits out a bunch of sharkrons when spinning in phase 2, and does some other shit
golden narwhal
he has more nadoes iirc
sleek wadi
These changes all seem minor tbh
sand umbra
also contact and Denotating Bubbles both inflict Marked because of course they do
sleek wadi
Looking at wiki, it mostly seems to be number buffs.
tepid root
tesla potion time
sand umbra
real Tesla Potion hours
frosty dagger
I couldn't tell there was any difference
Nothing big enough to change my strat that just prevents me from getting hit
golden narwhal
yea, im in for new attack since current one is just adding more nadoes and sharks
sleek wadi
Changes spawning for sharknadoes in phase 1, adds sharkrons to spin in phase 2, cthulhunadoes for phase 3.
frosty dagger
Yes that's not a big difference
sleek wadi
Aside from number buffs, thats it.
golden narwhal
just 3, 2, and 1 nadoes in p1, 2, and 3 respectively
frosty dagger
I couldn't tell it was different than vannila other than phases in different places, but the more you know
pulsar jay
he's already yharon what more can you ask for
frosty dagger
There should be a similarity, but not a cut and paste copy
pulsar jay
???
zenith hazel
@normal thorn thanks for the heads up, you were right. we'll look into nerfing it
zenith hazel
never heard that one before, nope
green pumice
normal thorn
tired haven
Incubation period of OP ranged weapon: 5 minutes 2 years
cyan glen
Is that OP Triploon?
frail mantle
when you say "ML as he was before", do you mean ML before his true eyes were re-added or the shitstorm that was ML with nine true eyes?
cyan glen
Also, ML isn't that difficult and you can outrun him with your own speed.
And I ask that too
ashen warren
No, I just mean the ML you can still kind of outrun atleast
zenith hazel
you can outrun current ML though, with a lot of zigzagging
normal thorn
As long as you can no hit him it's fine 
cyan glen
and even with dashes
ashen warren
I mean I have Astral Armor, wich buffs your movement speed like crazy, speed potion and Angel Treads and it simply doesn't work
cyan glen
I did it so much times, and the fight is so easy when you outrun him, so maybe adding a little more speed should be good (but not gonna suggestion that)
frail mantle
fly
ashen warren
I do fly.
zenith hazel
if you’re running in a straight line then of course he’d outspeed you
ashen warren
I even have Soaring Potions
frail mantle
when flying your horizontal speed is usually higher than when you just run so something like hovering with Hadarian Wings lets you outrun him iirc
or at least it makes it harder for him to catch up to you
frail mantle
if you constantly dash as well you should be able to outrun him
frail mantle
RoD is an option as well but i feel that an attack that necessitates RoD isn't a good attack
ashen warren
Which dashing item do you have to be able to do that?
frail mantle
Tabi/Master Ninja Gear
ashen warren
welpß im gonna try it with rod and stuff again but the fact that it basically forces you to use those is a bit weird to me
tepid root
idk how ml is unfair in rev+
tepid root
id say he's even more fair than normal because rev tries to make the eyes synced from what i can see
frail mantle
^
vast stirrup
you literally can outrun ml tho
even just with asgards valor and some mediocre wings
undone barn
betsy wings are good imo, atleast for this fight
vast stirrup
(dash, then jump, dash, then jump as technique)
vast stirrup
tru
tepid root
or use unicorn, even thats enough lol
cyan glen
And if you want to dodge the laser just go up and keep dashing to the head, or use RoD if you haven't used it
Also doing the up dashing the laser can touch you if you haven't done fast
toxic kettle
Or you use Asphalt blocks
People are sleeping on Asphalt blocks ngl
With Angel Treads you're more than fast enough to outrun ML on those
Without any wings, dashes or mounts
cyan glen
Well, if you can't fly the others attacks can hit 
toxic kettle
You're gonna need some wings or MOAB regardless, I know, but you don't need them to outrun ML
cyan glen
Yeah, but wasting a acc for Angel treads is meh
cyan glen
Yeh lel, I don't use Angel treads with wings with more or same speed
frail mantle
how is using Angel Treads a waste of acc slots
AT is basically a necessity post-Mechs unless you're an absolute madman
cyan glen
Well seems I'm a madman then 
toxic kettle
Just running with Angel Treads is way easier than continuously flying to keep up top speed
zealous ridge
its a simple case of being designed into a box i guess
moon lord is balanced around the player having mobility items as strong as angel treads
but of course, not everyone will want to use the running boots
if you wanna play the harder difficulties, though, you're basically shit outta luck
you're probably gonna have to use a running boots item regardless of whether you want to use them or not
because bosses have to be designed with the highest "possible" (as in generally) mobilities in mind
reverting ml completely would just generate other complaints, like "now moon lord is slower than me and he just telefrags constantly D:"
cyan glen
I use only wings in Defiled rune vs ML, I don't think Running boots are necessary for speed, also I think ML need more speed ngl
zealous ridge
of course they arent a monopoly on high movespeed options
you have asphalt, teleports, hovers, better wings
but as far as maintaining a consistent velocity goes, angel treads are your best bet
at least, i think they are...
cyan glen
I rarely use them in my playthroughs, I should use them more then
zealous ridge
well yeah, as people have said, "literally everyone uses them"
ashen warren
I can’t believe there are people that don’t use Angel Treads
cyan glen
Idk, Wings are better for me
ashen warren
pre ml u pretty much need both boots and wings
green pumice
treads give extra flight time too 
tired haven
If not for that a lot more people would have ditched boots with decent enough wings
bitter drift
here is a suggestion
make cryonic ore able to be mined by orichalcum and mithril pickaxes
why?: well being forced to make a titanium pickaxe to mine cryonic or is just a waist of titanium (which it is already fairly rare)
titanium pickaxes don't mine anything new except for this ore and making us able to skip this pickaxe in the progression will help us craft other weapons we may need titanium for
green pumice
you have to fish for like 2 minutes to get enough titanium
queen sail
Besides, like
vast stirrup
or you can just alternatively drink a spelunker and just mine for like 2 minutes
bitter drift
who really fish?
queen sail
Wasn’t this to make titanium—
...people who don’t want to deal with mining for 3 hours
bitter drift
that's the main problem :/
we need to switch 3 pickaxes without killing a single boss!
queen sail
What
bitter drift
think of it, you need a titaniume pick to get the cryonic ore, you need a mithril pick to get titanium, you need a paladium pick to mine up mithril, and you need a hell pick to get paladium to begin with
digital saddle
I think
There should be some progression roadblocks
Between ore tires
Maybe going back to fight buffed versions of older bosses
bitter drift
or allow us to get all the ores by the 2nd pickaxe
digital saddle
Because it's completely pointless
bitter drift
^
digital saddle
Way too quick to get to titanium
bitter drift
way to expensive you mean
digital saddle
Cobalt/palladium and mythril/orichalcum are completely useless
For everything except their picks
bitter drift
and besides titanium in it's state now is not good enough to kill anything but cryogen
@digital saddle A N V I L !
tired haven
Orichalcum was good for destroyer in vanilla cuz one star can potentially chop 1k+ hp
With pierce resist inbound, no idea
Btw my take on the cryonic ore is: if it makes one more type of pickaxes relevant, good
tired haven
Too bad, Hardmode is definition of tedium already, can't hurt much more than it did
weary walrus
In future spelunking you will get some ada/titanium ore even when you don't need it anyway
sharp forge
Aren't the 3 Hardmode Ores' purpose to slowly climb your way in power level through the big Hardmode "You deal no damage you die quickly" impact and climb out of the pit bit by bit with each Ore level?
I thought that's how it was intended
weary walrus
Not quite
tired haven
Kind of
At least, that's what would make sense the most currently
if not for the fact you get titanium access in about 10 minutes 80% of the time
sharp forge
I meant like, back in 1.1
weary walrus
If those ores are Cobalt/Mythril/Adamantite then they only exist for anvil and forge upgrade
tired haven
In 1.1 absolutely
tired haven
(and it was even worse with the amounts required back then)
sharp forge
So, is the problem that the ores aren't relevant anymore and needs to be cast aside/changed or is there just too much stuff around them that breaks their point that needs to be changed?
Like fishing
weary walrus
iirc the first 2 tier needs to exist in some recipes
They only exist for better pick
That's it
tired haven
Fair point
weary walrus
Pallad/Ori armor kinda cool but not many people use them
sharp forge
Not really, I'm pretty sure you're meant to craft cobalt armor/weapons along with the pick on your first session to survive better and mine deeper.
Buuuut that's not really how it goes nowadays
tired haven
now talk about old ores armor trio
How desperate one has to be to craft cobalt one
(it is sometimes worse than like, molten)
weary walrus
Stat buffs are neat but most of us gonna ignore that and go for hybrid armor
sharp forge
I don't look at the stat numbers but hey, it's roleplay! 
weary walrus
Like frost or forbidden
tired haven
That's the job of vanity slots 
sharp forge
Sandstorm aren't easy so I think it's fine though?
Cobalt's pretty common/fast to gather
sharp forge
I had a rev mage playthrough recently and I tried incorportating as much vanilla stuff as I could, and forbidden was really decent early hardmode gear, and fun too
tired haven
i wish i could say the same when even adamantite exists
sharp forge
I demolished Rev Prime with magnolia 
tepid root
shellfish on head, death valley duster to clear out probes
sharp forge
The fact that cryonic ore is apparenlty not explosive immune is really bothering me though
weary walrus
I'm fine about that
sharp forge
That actually makes me want not to go get an adamantite pick if I don't have one
tired haven
Is it not? br..
weary walrus
I mean, you can preserve some bars for forbidden tier stuff
sharp forge
It's what @hot zephyr claimed in their suggestion
I haven't tested it yet but I trust people
tired haven
I'd have been blowing it up 24/7 already
Maybe it's aerialite?
terse sundial
I can check source rq
weary walrus
terse sundial
you can blow it up post-Cryogen
sharp forge
Which is when it generates doesn't it?
tired haven
So always
terse sundial
yeah
sharp forge
^
weary walrus
now do it 24/7 crabbar
tired haven
weary walrus
Ok sorry if i meme a bit too much
distant gyro
well yes there's no pickaxe need for most calamity ores but convenience
like bombing auric ore
tepid root
what the fuck lol
tired haven
Wait what
sharp forge
"Lord Yharim we've located the Auric ore vein."
"Prepare the bombfishes."
zenith hazel
when explosives are stronger than a pickaxe made from essences of a moon god
tired haven
So, instead of crafting the blossom pick and slowly chewing on auric I could have just bought a stack of dynamite sticks
This doesn't really seem right ngl
weary walrus
Uhhh what?
Cryonic is breakable with bombs - fine
Perranial is breakable with bombs - ok
But auric is breakable with bomb is a big question mark
How powerful is a thing that only costs 3 silver
radiant meadow
the boss downed reqs for blowing them up are a relic from when ores were spawned on world gen
with the exception of charred and chaotic ores
since they are spawned on world gen
ashen warren
Bombs are actually inter dimensional superpowers, and the demolitionist is a god among gods
weary walrus
consider buffing explosive prices as the progression goes on
ashen warren
Or just, limit what they can destroy
hollow shell
or just make late-game ores like Uelibloom and Auric immune to explosives
It's not like your pickaxes are slow at those points
tepid root
^
hollow shell
(maybe Astral Ore too considering there's not much of it anyway)
ashen warren
Doesn’t Astral Ore inflict a debuff when stood on?
ashen warren
I think that in particular would get annoying to mine because of that
hollow shell
It's Astral Infection
tepid root
hooking onto astral ore makes it not inflict the debuff last time i checked
weary walrus
oh
tepid root
neither does flying next to astral ore inflict the debuff
weary walrus
damn i'm missing so much
ashen warren
I always forget about fishing, kek
tepid root
only while standing on it
ashen warren
Can you hook cheese meteor too?
weary walrus
no
ashen warren
I tried using it against deus one time
weary walrus
@grizzled raft a lot of people complain Crystyl Crusher destroying their beatiful bases
gray nebula
suggesting to add back a deleted feature is forbidden,,
hollow shell
smh just use P90 with Mortar Rounds
wary canyon
clothier: "here, have this thing that lets you kill me"
hollow shell
@forest wren add a reason
wooden wedge
Book of skulls stinky tho
radiant meadow
why is book of skulls mandated though?
ashen warren
poopoo
forest wren
to make The last mourning sword
ashen warren
what is that
wooden wedge
Wrong mod?m
radiant meadow
post polter patron true melee sword
wooden wedge
Oh
ashen warren
jeez i've never heard of that weapon
wooden wedge
It's not even on the wiki for me
ashen warren
weary walrus
don't you have to make baleful harvester first?
toxic kettle
it's not like the clothier voodoo doll gets consumed every time you summon Skeletron
toxic kettle
you need one in total and you're good to go
wooden wedge
i think the wiki just broke on mobile then
karmic stone
Anyways it exists
toxic kettle
and Book of Skulls has a 1/3 chance to drop in Expert+
wooden wedge
Doesn't the defiled rune make it easier to get the voodoo doll already though?
toxic kettle
that's trying to find a solution to a problem that doesn't exist
forest wren
You can also craft the guide voodoo doll, why not the clothier one too.
karmic stone
You could just give BoS a recipe
hollow shell
You could add that to your sugg too, Sampo
radiant meadow
the guide voodoo doll is crucial for summoning a boss the first time
clothier voodoo doll is not
additionally, guide voodoo doll is consumed on use (burned in lava)
clothier voodoo doll is not
placid girder
also mutant mod exists
slim crag
I could maybe see a recipe for the Clothier Voodoo Doll happening.
hollow shell
(We don't balance around Mutant Mod existing)
karmic stone
You can use Smooth Brimstone stuff that doesn't count for the biome if you want that theme
raw mulch
ye i know that but sadly the normal brimstone looks much better
hollow shell
It's like making a house out of Crimstone versus Flesh
karmic stone
Well
raw mulch
and i have both brimstone and smooth brimstone
karmic stone
Use Peace + Tranquility + Calming +Zen then because making surface Crags is really good for Essence farming
And killing it for builds is h
raw mulch
ah i see i thought it was just accidental
ashen warren
Woah people make surface crag biomes?
distant gyro
@frosty dagger For your sug thing, Stellar Cannon's damage decreased by 30% and is now 33% slower, that shall suffice.
cyan lagoon
@sacred kraken i don't think items despawn offscreen
the only time they despawn is when the server/world is closed or the item limit is reached
distant gyro
I don't think we can fix the magic of item drop limit anyway because redcode 
tired haven
just create trash bin items that grab the last 200 drops and contain them in a single package when limit is reached, heavily compressing space used
hollow shell
Yeah afaik there is no item despawning in Terraria unless you exit the world or go completely ballistic while farming and don't bother picking up the loot
tired haven
Tbf moon events post DoG have a constant habit of killing item limit in 2 minutes
sacred kraken
well they still go off screen
hollow shell
Leviathan Treasure Bag should not despawn unless you forgot it at the ocean, then went and farmed or played for a significant amount of time, before realizing that you forgot the bag-
sacred kraken
and when they do you cant get them
hollow shell
Wait do you mean off the map?
hollow shell
That could be a lot clearer
You should say something like "go outside of the world" or "off the map", elaborating that they cannot be retrieved
cuz when you say just "off screen", that could just mean that you walked away like normal
because the screen follows the player
fervent citrus
i was gonna mention the phrasing but i see it was already discussed
gray nebula
if your leviathan fight is lasting for 10 minutes there's something wrong
hexed ore
Okay, thats how long it took me while doing summoner
indigo fog
what weapon did you use
karmic stone
Also the first 2 solutions sound really ech
hexed ore
Cryo staff and Calamitas summon
karmic stone
Levi not being able to exit the world makes it much harder to move if you're near there
Levi being immune to all damage while outside the world is just bruhrhur
hollow shell
Ah, well
Two suggs for the same problem
karmic stone
The last solution would be to make her Treasure Bag drop further back in her hitbox
What if it just spawned on you
hollow shell
Yeah that sounds pretty simple
Could be a little weird with multiplayer but it definitely won't be goin outside the map
ashen warren
AS's bugs are fixed?
radiant meadow
they could just drop on whoever levi or the siren is targetting
pulsar jay
why not just have all treasure bags do that tbh
nothing lamer than using grav potions to beat a boss and then being unable to figure out where it may have fell becsuse you were far away
small talon
of what?
hollow shell
I spose that's not the important part
but wording it like "the drop tables" is a lil weird
frail mantle
balance
CotBG isn't the only example where the upgrade of an item grants reduced stats because they're among other effects and stat boosts
hollow shell
@tawny garden ^
Bloody Worm Scarf only boosts DR and melee stats
Core of the Blood God boosts DR, damage (twice), it halves contact damage, and it boosts your max HP
sleek wadi
Yeah the 5% drop in DR also comes with major slot efficiency and HP boost
Not even the only part that gets nerfed, it should have the doubled HP from Bloodpact as well but it doesn't.
karmic stone
Did you
hollow shell
It is indeed way later, but DR is still DR
Percentage-based, so it's as good early on as it is later on, unlike defense
tawny garden
Ok fair enough
My rationale was as follows: other "mega"-accessories you get at the end of the game don't come with such great nerfs to stats compared to their components, so this one shouldn't as well
frail mantle
well there's also examples like the Grand Gelatin's jump boost into the Absorber
sand umbra
the other mega-accs are the class accs which have to be balanced around the second most absurd player power spike in the game
that's why they just bluntly inherit or upgrade all of the effects that go into them
DoG to Yharon is an immense DPS spike for the player, and the class mega-accs reflect that
ashen warren
Late game Calamity is an exponential power jump
sand umbra
Core of the Blood God's materials are all incredibly good on their own except Pact which literally exists solely to be CotBG fodder but we don't talk about Pact
so naturally an acc that combines all of those effects needs to have some adjustments put into play on all of them
hollow shell
@valid wing Don't
indigo fog
what was posted
hollow shell
angry meme sugg
valid wing
wat im serious reeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
ashen warren
...
frail mantle
doesn't seem like that from your reaction
valid wing
hollow shell
Indeed
sleek wadi
Having DoG not flood chat would be nice
hollow shell
DoG says the funny
sleek wadi
Flooder of Chats
wary canyon
Bringer of Infinite Text
indigo fog
Wasn't there a suggestion for a short cooldown for DoG saying things so he doesn't flood the chat when you get hit by his head
hollow shell
Ye
Hectique made it
wait
Nah, Lulminite made it
(Hectique delivered it to the dev server)
valid wing
like idgaf but bosses talking to me and playing anime music kinda detract from the fight
hollow shell
You can play with the music mod disabled if you wanna hear vanilla boss music instead
indigo fog
turn music mod off and ignore the chat
wooden wedge
or just with no music at all
toxic kettle
playing Terraria without music
indigo fog
There's no reason for both the music and the status messages to be removed
valid wing
like imagine if the moonlord said "one giant step for mankind" every half a second and then played the pokemon theme
hollow shell
(Also "anime music" is kind of a rude generalization, considering all the music for the mod was made specifically for the mod)
wooden wedge
uh what
valid wing
exactly
hollow shell
lol
wooden wedge
and neither is clamity
hollow shell
I've yet to hear Dokuro say anything in Japanese
valid wing
so why is there anime music
frail mantle
there ain't
indigo fog
wooden wedge
fucking
indigo fog
what are you talking about
wooden wedge
give me an example of what you mean
hollow shell
I'd recommend you don't continue with this argument if you don't wanna get warned
wooden wedge
bruh
hollow shell
and by "you" I mean- uh ohhhhh
frail mantle
or was banned
hollow shell
Prolly wasn't banned
frail mantle
either way, 
wooden wedge
couldn't handle the sick beats
toxic kettle
I mean I could imagine Roar of the Jungle Dragon to be in an anime but the rest 
versed mica
woah
hollow shell
Anyway I will reforward the DoG message cooldown
sugg
And by reforward I mean link to the message in dev's sugg_disc to remind Ben that it exists :P
Wait, hold up
Can someone go in-game and just make sure that guy wasn't wildly outdated?
There is something in the source that's supposed to mitigate DoG's message spam
hollow shell
Alright, so what's there doesn't quite work
(it is commented with TODO so maybe they already know that)
sand umbra
iirc Ozz tried to make DoG shut the fuck up in the past
radiant meadow
it didn't work
pulsar jay
i don't want DoG to shut the fuck ip
it's funny when he hits you with his head and a wall of text appears
ashen warren
The wall text is sadly not a Death Mode inclusive feature
sleek wadi
I'd honestly be down for that. If you can't fix it, then just say its not a bug its a feature and code it into death.
Even include it on the trivia section of the wiki page
ashen warren
😂
And then give it a lore basis, like “because DoG is so fucking loud it’s distracting”
indigo fog
death mode configs are a don't now right
hollow shell
@karmic hemlock Check the Suggestion Don'ts document
karmic hemlock
oh
sorry
I just find those features annoying but i really want the increased boss difficulty
hollow shell
We'd rather not have Death Mode's entire identity be bosses, or create a discrepancy between "Real Death Mode" and "Non-environmental Death Mode" or something like that
frank nacelle
Toggle deathmode on for bosses and off otherwise?
frank nacelle
(Although I suppose you may still need some measures for temperature immunity for things like WoF and Cryogen.)
karmic hemlock
i'll delete the sugestion
smoky wagon
you could toggle death mode before you fight bosses easily
i didnt like the enviornmental buffs at first but they were rebalanced to be more fair
ashen warren
I haven’t tried them since the update. Honestly don’t care to, the experience I had before kinda sucked
versed mica
they definitely fixed the major issues