suggestions-discussion

[frosty dagger]

Not much you can do if it just happens to shoot infront of you but take it

[fervent citrus]

hmm, perhaps

any other ways?

[frosty dagger]

Consistent projectiles are a constant throughout the game and I don't see why WoF would change that

[fervent citrus]

hmm, i guess thats a scrap then :P

[frosty dagger]

Make them shoot a bit ahead of you

So you have to balence the lasers and WoF chasing you from behind

[fervent citrus]

yea that sounds better

i think some other boss does that

[frosty dagger]

prediction, but only in front of you

What I mean is it can shoot at or infron your you but never behind, so you would have to slow down when the lasers are shot

While WoF is chasing

[fervent citrus]

Make WoF's lasers fire ahead of the player
Reason: Right now, one can easily dodge WoF's lasers (even in dmode) by just running along one platform and the eyes staying in the same distance away from the player, ruining their purpose, there are a few ways to fix this but one i would suggest is by making the lasers shoot ahead of you (sort of predicting your movement) so dodging the lasers would make a bit of a challenge.

how is it?

[frosty dagger]

Brimmy has a prediction laser at a delay, for WoF, the time it takes for them it get to you is said delay. If you were in the flow you could change direction fast enough, but even then not consistently, mabey slow them down a bit

[frail mantle]

WoF being a run simulator is only really a problem when you spend hours on end making an arena that makes his eyes not move at all

[frosty dagger]

Also, they would all have to shoot in the same direction

[frail mantle]

i've said this before, but people should be rewarded for spending ages on an arena

[fervent citrus]

hmm, i havent thought about the arena required for that strat

[frosty dagger]

Yea, make occasional walls to protect you from lasers

Still works

[fervent citrus]

thats a bit too cheesy in my situation

doesnt matter much, byeah, good strat

[frosty dagger]

Arenas in general make fights easier tenfold

[fervent citrus]

^

[frosty dagger]

I'll try to make an example

Make WoF's lasers have prediction to shoot at or ahead of you, but not behind and reduce their speed in dmode.

If you make a straight platform, all you have to do is run and gun without any regard to dodgeing. You are moving fast enough to just not get hit, and this turns WoF into a joke. If lasers had this quality then you would have to slow down and let the wall get closer. Slowing them down ensures that if you are paying attention you will be able to slow down in time. This would make getting ran down by WoF a threat again while still remaining fair.

That's what I would do, but it's your sug

[tired haven]

Wall of flesh becomes harder than ml

[frosty dagger]

WoF is super easy rn, especially after sg

[fervent citrus]

lel, but i already uploaded a nohit so i dont have to worry about that

[frosty dagger]

A buff is needed

[fervent citrus]

SG seems harder tbh

[tired haven]

Buffing a boss that requires effort to arena seems risky:
most players will not put the same amount of hours just to pass one boss

[fervent citrus]

perhaps

welp, ill scrap that then

[mighty knot]

DAD seems like it might be harder than Iron Heart

I feel like plat should be max tier

[frosty dagger]

In dmode an arena is required, but it can still be made easier with more effort

[fervent citrus]

nah, imagine having to kill all bosses 1 att

[frosty dagger]

Adding occasion walls to stop the lasers

[mighty knot]

also, it might be difficult to tell if the weapon is 'before the boss'

[tepid root]

whats steel soul

[mighty knot]

since I doubt that's currently tracker in the game

[tepid root]

isnt that the hk difficulty

[mighty knot]

I think they mean iron heart

[frail mantle]

iron heart

[tepid root]

e

[mighty knot]

I feel like Iron Heart should be excluded from this

[chrome holly]

Eh, maybe

ok, lemme fix it

[mighty knot]

and armageddon is harder than defiled rune in most cases

[fervent citrus]

yes, it should, its too hard to be rewarding wait wot did i just say

[frosty dagger]

How about no
You have rev excusives
Levi
And higher difficulties aren't about items but challenging yourself

[frail mantle]

problem:

[chrome holly]

Couldn't we do something similar to dyes?

[frail mantle]

some poor bastard would have to sprite four more versions of every trophy

[chrome holly]

After all, there isn't 256515053483616 of everything for all the different dyes

[frosty dagger]

When you have completed something difficult, the satisfaction of victory is your trophy

[fervent citrus]

a r o c c boi

[chrome holly]

The intent is to provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment, blah, blah, blah.

[frosty dagger]

They already have that

Adding a different trophy won't change much

[chrome holly]

But with those, you could brag up to 73% better!

[frosty dagger]

How would a trophy change bragging

[fervent citrus]

wot xD

[frosty dagger]

Cheat sheet?

You shouldn't be bragging in the first place

[chrome holly]

What I'm a bit more worried about is: is there a way for the game to detect which weapons you used, and whether or not they are "legit"?

[hallow kraken]

Considering how many changes to summoner are happening next update

Here’s a sug

Add more differences between Statis’s Blessing and Statis’s Curse, but make it so their effects cannot stack.

Statis’s curse is supposed to be the post-LC upgrade of blessing, yet the only difference is that curse causes minions to inflict shadowflame, an average DoT debuff. Other than that, they both increase minion slots and damage by the same amount. The more recognized benefit of curse is that it can be stacked with blessing, and considering how similar the two are, this makes it basically just equipping two blessings at once. This isn’t how an “upgrade” of an accessory should be used. An upgrade should be better than its downgrade to making it obsolete in the face of it, and curse just copies and pastes blessing+shadowflame. That reasoning is also why I believe they should not be stackable.

[pulsar jay]

hell no

do not make them non stackable that is horrible

[hallow kraken]

why

[pulsar jay]

a summoner should ave at **least ** 20 something minion slots by the time they're facing yharon can we not lose any please?

[hallow kraken]

The slots can be buffed

[pulsar jay]

if you want to give statis belt of curses 6 minion slots go ahead

[hallow kraken]

Alright actually, should I remove the unstacking clause

I really just want to see more differences between blessing and curse

[frail mantle]

maybe remove the unstacking part but make it slightly weaker in exchange

like, two extra slots instead of three

or just nerf the damage boost

[hallow kraken]

Make which slightly weaker?

[pulsar jay]

summoner already has enough fucking issues with yharon can you just fucking leave us be

[frail mantle]

Curse

i can imagine something like Spirit Glyph effect to Curse and nerf current Curse effects

[hallow kraken]

Alright

Also, I did a summoner playthrough and understand why summoners hate yharon

[pulsar jay]

you can't just list porblems with no solution

explain some possible ways to fix it

[hallow kraken]

I’m suggesting for more differences between curse and blessing

Adding more differences is the solution

[pulsar jay]

you're offering no possible methods

you're just giving problems

with a solution completely vague that doesn't help at all

[hallow kraken]

Do I need to suggest possible methods?

[pulsar jay]

yes

well

you don't need to

but you should

[coral echo]

@chrome holly maybe add a trophy for completing the bosses with Iron Heart active as well, like an Auric Trophy

auric with DAD mode as well

[hallow kraken]

Can’t the devs think of solutions if the sug is delivered?

[pulsar jay]

you aren't really suggesting anything you're just ranting

also the suggestion has a lot less weight if you don't have any clue how to fix the problem you've stated

[hallow kraken]

I know how to fix the problem I have stated

It’s to add more differences between the two

Just what the differences are should be up to the devs

[pulsar jay]

that's not a fix it's vague and gives no information

[coral echo]

hold on, lemme read

[hallow kraken]

How specific does a suggested fix have to be?

[frail mantle]

he's not really ranting, he's stating the problem with the Curse

byeah you should probably state some examples of changes to the Curse to make it more unique

[pulsar jay]

not too specific but atleast put something on the table for the devs to work off of

[coral echo]

i think if the solution is written a bit better then i would understand this problem more

[frail mantle]

yea

[pulsar jay]

otherwise they'll just be stuck brainstorming with no ideas

[hallow kraken]

Alright

[coral echo]

so, clearly there is no real difference between Curse and blessing

[pulsar jay]

"add more differences"

sure i guess you've suggested something but it's not really going to help

the devs have no ideas to build off of

[coral echo]

well, i can see what he's pointing at

other than shadowflame there is no real difference

[pulsar jay]

yeah but that's not what were debating here

i perfectly agree that he is correct

[coral echo]

so what is the fuzz about then? am i missing something?

[frail mantle]

he means that Bat isn't really stating how it can be changed, more just that it should be changed

[coral echo]

i c

well, i'm not into that kind of stuff

so uh... ima just dip

[hallow kraken]

Well, idea time I guess

Adding spirit glyph is an idea, though it’s already used in res butterfly

[frail mantle]

o yea that's true

[pulsar jay]

it's not hard to craft a spirit glyph

and also butterflies don't have any of spirit glyph's effects

and also also is anyone using the butterflies anymore by the time they're on the pillars?

most people are using dragon/cells

[hallow kraken]

Spirit glyph doesn’t seem to have anything to do with Yuyuko afaik

[chrome holly]

@coral echo whoops, didn't check sooner. I did originally had a cosmilite one for steel soul, but peoples told it wouldn't be good because steel soul is easier than DAD, and both at the same time is so soul-crushing that it's better not to even bother

[coral echo]

agreed

so why not add more tiers while using Iron Heart and other difficulties?

so like beating a boss with Iron heart, and death could be Cosmolite

[chrome holly]

that's what it was originally

[hallow kraken]

Alright, should I delete my sug and instead sug adding glyph to curse recipe

[coral echo]

i c

there could be a separate trophy chain with the Iron Heart active

[chrome holly]

(and why cosmilite rather than auric: because auric is too much like gold)

[coral echo]

right

wait

Shadowspec

boom, problem solved

[chrome holly]

Technically I could put something like doing softcore/mediumcore/SS/hardcore changes the background, but it starts to be a lot

[hollow shell]

I'd hold off on suggesting Spirit Glyph be added to its recipe

Spoilers, it's getting new upgrades soon

[coral echo]

that would be alot indeed, Towerator

i'm just thinking along because i really like your suggestion

[tepid root]

spirit glyph upgrade!!!!!!

excitement

[coral echo]

#buffspiritglyph

[tepid root]

spirit glyph is already chad tho

[coral echo]

fair

[chrome holly]

... or would it. Maybe just a rim on the wood depending on the character difficulty of the player who placed it.

[coral echo]

that would be a quick fix indeed

how about this:
base the trophies on normal materials with no iron heart
base the trophies on calamity metals with iron heart
change the base based off of character difficulty

[hollow shell]

I'm a lil bit concerned about towerator's suggestion due to its specificity
I don't think every tier's requirements needs to be laid out, nor that bit about higher tiers dropping more commonly...

but, I'm unsure

(I can at least say that the suggestion is better than when you posted it in the past)

[chrome holly]

thing is, hardcore is harder than iron heart (I keep calling it steel soul, damn it)

[coral echo]

lol

[hallow kraken]

attempt two

Add spirit glyph to Statis’s Curse recipe and implement its effects into it.

The only difference curse has with its downgrade, Statis’s Blessing, is that it inflicts shadowflame, an average DoT debuff. Spirit glyph is a unique accessory, and can make curse more different from blessing. Glyph doesn’t have any upgrades, and is only used in resurrection butterfly, a weapon that doesn’t have anything to do with glyph. Adding glyph to curse recipe will make curse more different from blessing and will give glyph an upgrade.

[coral echo]

well, the trophies can be kept in that new book added for mob drops

[hollow shell]

Dang it Bat

https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/689541228496420960

Your suggestion as it is is fine

[hallow kraken]

I am actually dumb

[hollow shell]

lol

[coral echo]

oof

[hallow kraken]

I did not see that

sry

[hollow shell]

It's fine

[chrome holly]

I mean, at the end of the day it's up to whoever codes it. Maybe 4 tiers are enough with normal/rev/death/DAD but I'm pretty sure the difficulty is mostly to get 1 set going, the rest are just palette swaps

[coral echo]

that

and as it is, it might be fine honestly

[indigo fog]

wait so are you suggesting for there to be 4 new different versions for each boss trophy

[chrome holly]

Is it ok to post links?

[hollow shell]

In this channel sure

[chrome holly]

ok so, basically my inspiration in the first place is this: https://forums.terraria.org/index.php?threads/tobbvalds-tinkering-difficulty-options.854/

[hollow shell]

So, yes

[chrome holly]

The difficulty options is pretty much what calamity already does, and at the end they suggest golden trophies

Oh, and last thing: I suggested higher tier trophies to be more common because if you took the effort to beat a boss in DAD mode, you probably don't want to do it 10 times in average to get the drop, as an anti-frustration feature

[hollow shell]

Ye I understand the intention I just don't know if it was a necessary inclusion

Like the suggestion could be laying out the concept in general, higher tiered trophies for beating bosses on higher difficulties
It doesn't necessarily need to list which materials would correspond to which difficulties, or having one for Death with Arma or Defiled and then a higher trophy for Death with Arma and Defiled

[chrome holly]

Ok, ok, I see, I should leave more leeway.

There we go, reworded

[hearty yew]

@toxic socket funny story.

originally nanoblack was supposed to be melee only and it felt weird putting rogue items in its recipe. After the sheer dominance of rogue class and rogue options not only for BR but the entire game and then resulting massive damage disparities between rogue and melee variants of the item, nobody remembers nanoblack as anything but a rogue weapon.

I never revised the recipe though. So yeah, I should probably include more throwing scythes now that it has a rogue variant (e.g. might as well add valediction while we're at it)

[toxic socket]

oh

[mighty knot]

@bitter drift is this applicable in revengeance+?

[bitter drift]

yes

should probably tell

[mighty knot]

because she enrages outside of the jungle I think

in rev+

[hollow shell]

Add more reasoning, adir
Just saying "it makes no sense" doesn't help much

[bitter drift]

did you read the entire statement?

[mighty knot]

I'd think so

[hollow shell]

You mean "it makes no sense that queen bee on the surface is easier then queen bee underground." ?

[bitter drift]

yes

[hollow shell]

Because, yeah
You don't actually give any reasoning

You just say it makes no sense

[bitter drift]

does it make sense for enraged planterra to be easier then normal planterra?

[hollow shell]

Explain why it makes no sense

[toxic kettle]

Well, the enraged forms are supposed to be harder. Is Queen Bee generally regarded as being easier on the surface?

[hollow shell]

Don't just assume it's self-explanatory

[bitter drift]

here

typed it in

[hollow shell]

Thanks.

Now the question is:
Is Queen Bee enraged on the surface?

[bitter drift]

yes

she buffs one attack at the cost of removing a different attack

aka no small bee to spawn but her charges are more pottant

[hollow shell]

I see, yeah
She does enrage in Rev+

[bitter drift]

so is it good?

[hollow shell]

Reasoning's good.
That third attack possibility, though, is needlessly specific.

Exactly 3 hornets? Exactly after doing those attacks 2 times?

[bitter drift]

this will throw the player off as i find queen bee to be REALLY predictable

[toxic kettle]

what's the main reason Queen Bee is easier on the surface? Is it having more space or is it that she doesn't do the bee attack anymore?

[bitter drift]

both play a fair share

[night cradle]

It's having more space
Killing QB Underground takes more time as you need to prepare an arena
On surface you don't need to terraform as everything is clear for the most part

Same thing as with Plantera, really

[bitter drift]

the extra space is a basic fuck you for the entire stinger attack while the removal of the little bees is a really bad sign for the charge attack as there is nothing to knock you anymore

[toxic kettle]

except Plantera is uber when she's enraged on the surface

[bitter drift]

^

[toxic kettle]

I died to Plantera post-DoG

[bitter drift]

just because you have more space it doesn't mean it's easier

take a look at really any late game boss

[night cradle]

oh
nevermind I misread the message

ignore the Plantera part

[hollow shell]

The problem I have with that part is that you give exact numbers for how many hornets should be spawned and exactly when the attack would occur

Word it more generally, give more room for adjustment

[bitter drift]

ok

here is that good?

[hollow shell]

Not really? Because you still give numbers for the hornets.
Just don't give numbers, say "multiple hornets" or something

(Also, you could add that the reason it would occur at random is to throw the player off, like you mentioned earlier.)

[bitter drift]

ok but i really don't want it to spawn 2 hornets they players will easily destroy them and continue his routine

[toxic kettle]

RNG making her do that attack 3 times in a row

[bitter drift]

[hollow shell]

"a decent amount of hornets"?

🤷‍♀️

[toxic kettle]

have her throw a moss hornet at you

[bitter drift]

i should probably point this out

[hollow shell]

There we go, that's better

[bitter drift]

let's hope it get's through i know people hate suggestions that buff bosses

[toxic kettle]

well buffing the enraged version is a bit different than buffing the regular version

bc people rarely fight the enraged version

I don't see many people being against a buff like that

[bitter drift]

i will be honest i find the enraged easier

no stupidly small bees to look for

[hollow shell]

@rugged ember https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/369115362186231809/686461207980277775

1 & 2

[bitter drift]

he want the normal pick to be left click

[hollow shell]

I don't think that's the important part

[bitter drift]

i can see why

[hollow shell]

I think he just hasn't seen the upcoming changelog

(also it's impossible to move the laser to right-click because of how right-click functions work)

But the upcoming changes should be fine

[toxic kettle]

Was Crystyl Crusher ever meant to be a "normal" pickaxe and not meant to be used for utter destruction

[radiant meadow]

yes

but then tmodloader prevented the usage of a usetime of 1

which basically halved crusher speed

so the right click crystal dust of destruction was an alternative to try and remedy that

but that caused too many problems

so now there's destructive laser

[glossy marten]

what problems did old right click cause

I'm actually interested

[frail mantle]

same as current left click, i'm guessing

[glossy marten]

I actually think old right click was better than current left click, although it's just my preference

[frail mantle]

one misclick or checking one chest in your house with the Crusher in hand and bingo bango chungo your house is gone

[glossy marten]

oh right

I forgot that can happen because I never bother making a base that I actually care about

[pulsar jay]

the thing about current left click is the buildup

you won't be accidentally blowing anything up because you have to actively hold it down to cast the beam

[frail mantle]

o yea that's true

[daring cliff]

will you be able to shift+right click to mine with the pickaxe not on the hotbar for the next patch though?

[pulsar jay]

i don't put my pickaxe in my hotbar unless i'm doing some precise mining to avoid lava or to build

[daring cliff]

(seeing as it's getting normal pickaxe functions for the next patch)

[pulsar jay]

i usually just use auto item

[hollow shell]

Current function does indeed have a build-up
with a sound

so you can't accidentally fuck everything with a single click like you could before

[pulsar jay]

and regular pickaxes will only break the block your mouse is on and since your mouse is on the chest...

[hollow shell]

@rugged ember Just wanna make sure you saw the ping above

[daring cliff]

I think I would rather have normal pickaxe on left click and death laser on right click though to be honest for crystyl

[hollow shell]

That would indeed be preferable

But, again, impossible because of Terraria code fun

click-and-hold functions cannot be on right-click

[daring cliff]

how'd the old crystyl work on right click then?

[hollow shell]

It wasn't a click-and-hold, it fired out a ton of projectiles sequentially like a machine gun

[sand umbra]

channeled abilities cannot be on right-click without code fuckery, yes

[hollow shell]

Yeah, channeled abilities specifically
You could do a click-and-hold for some auto-reuse function like shooting out projectiles in a series, or swinging a weapon over and over

but for something like holding out a single laser entity (or something like Magic Missile), can't be done

[karmic stone]

furniture sugg
hhhhhhhh

[hollow shell]

@dreamy fjord If a developer wants their dedicated item(s) to be a furniture set, then it'll happen

[sand umbra]

so like e.g. you can't make a wep that right-clicks to be a yo-yo

[karmic stone]

It has to be put on the sprites needed doc ((unless a dev makes it)lol), and even so, why is it necessary right now, making furniture is al-

Oh right it's dev stuff

[sand umbra]

also yeah Shadowspec is dev meme

[hollow shell]

Shadowspec itself is not a theme

[sand umbra]

except also Elex exists as a Shadowspec wep because ???????????

[hollow shell]

(Spiritually dedicated to Blah)

[karmic stone]

use excalibur pallete for furniture iirc

[gray nebula]

dev tier furnitufurlre

poggies

[hollow shell]

Dude

Every dev gets their own piece of the set

[gray nebula]

make them viable for br tho

[radiant meadow]

Alterra owns the entire set as furniture goddess

[hollow shell]

That'd be the most chaotic furniture set ever but it'd be glorious

Good point, Alterra hasn't asked for an item yet, afaik

[dreamy fjord]

dev tier furniture would be amazing

even if its all dedicated to one person i just really want to be able to walk into a house made of shadowspec to flex on the noobs

also auric tier furniture maybe?

[gray nebula]

epic reasoning iirc

[dreamy fjord]

it would be great to have endgame furniture

it would look amazing

and again, ultimate flex on the noobs when u have so much damn shadowspec you turned it into a house

[ashen warren]

yeah but shadowspec is dev/donator stuff

[dreamy fjord]

fair

[hollow shell]

Meep, don't start a suggestion with "also", and provide reasoning for that suggestion too
Each suggestion is treated individually and should be able to stand on their own

[dreamy fjord]

ok

[ashen warren]

so unless someone donates or a dev ask for shadowspec furniture it will not happen

[dreamy fjord]

welp gotta donate so i can make shadowspec furniture exist

[bitter drift]

@dreamy fjord you might want to merge these 2 suggestions and make it more general

[hollow shell]

Eh nah

It's fine as is

Somebody could want Auric furniture but disagree with Shadowspec furniture

[dreamy fjord]

auric furniture could be cool tho

[karmic stone]

"It would be cool" is pretty poo reasoning

[bitter drift]

you can just suggest "more furniture sets"

[pulsar jay]

it's hard to make reasoning for a furniture set to exist

[dreamy fjord]

idk add, its just that auric furniture and shadowspec furniture would look good, more building variety

[pulsar jay]

they only exist to look nice

[dreamy fjord]

and u can flex on all the noobs who cant afford making entire houses out of endgame materials

[karmic stone]

That's literally what you said in the sugg

h

[dreamy fjord]

exactly

furniture is cool

[hollow shell]

(It doesn't matter too much cuz the Auric one is a bluecheck)

[dreamy fjord]

thats... kinda it

[hollow shell]

I'm still kinda unsure on the Shadowspec one

[pulsar jay]

what other reason would you have for a furniture set to exist

cmon think

[karmic stone]

o

[pulsar jay]

it literally only exists to look nice

[dreamy fjord]

shadowspec is more dev related so like, probably no

but auric tesla furniture could be added

[radiant meadow]

shadowspec stuff is against the rules

[pulsar jay]

auric tesla furniture a brickss in yharim's temple

[radiant meadow]

I think it'd be easier to not make exceptions

[hollow shell]

That rule got removed, Ben

[pulsar jay]

[hollow shell]

best I can tell

[radiant meadow]

okay, well, then re-add it

:C

[dreamy fjord]

auric tesla stuff isnt dev/donator items, its just endgame, therefore we dont need a kind dev to give up their cool dev item to ask for their dev item to be shadowspec furniture

[radiant meadow]

because shadowspec is a dev item still

[hollow shell]

I did kinda disagree with Mrrp removing the asking for developer items thing so I'll add it to the Don'ts

It still stands

[dreamy fjord]

shadowspec furniture most likely wont be added unless a dev gives up their dev item for it, but auric tesla furniture could be nice

[radiant meadow]

that's fine then

[dreamy fjord]

ok i wont ask for shadowspec furniture anymore but can auric tesla furniture exist

[karmic stone]

Botanic Chair + Stratus Chair + Cosmilite Chair + Silva Chair = Auric Tesla Chair iirc

[pulsar jay]

if yharim gets his own temple then auric tesla furniture would have reason to exist

[dreamy fjord]

add that sounds like the best idea ever

and the worst

like both at once

[radiant meadow]

I should just add auric toilet and call it a day

[bitter drift]

honestly you can make furniture for everything from calamity

[karmic stone]

Byhea also consider spriting furniture is kinda h, so furniture sugmas are e

[pulsar jay]

imagine if it was like the armor and you had to combine the furnitures to make it

lmao

[dreamy fjord]

it would be amazing lol

and annoying

[bitter drift]

phantom and ecto plasm set for polter
a corrupion and crimson set involving the stone and generally corrupted and crimsoned things for hive mind and perfs respectivly
a sulfurs sand set for AS but i guess you count that as the first and 2nd layer abyss set

[dreamy fjord]

also more toilets

why cant i have a cosmilite toilet

0/10 game

[hollow shell]

Well, there already is the Flesh furniture set

it'd be hard to make a perf set distinct from that

[bitter drift]

sulfurous toilet made of: 1 abyssal gravel and 10 sulfurous and
radiates the rain around you: needed to activate the sulfurous rain event in 1.4.what ever it is now

[hollow shell]

... ik it was sarcastic but still

[dreamy fjord]

polter already has stuff adir

the stratus stuff

[bitter drift]

you can add the bones

and Ichor

for a perf set

[dreamy fjord]

oh and also a bar of life furniture set

requires cores of calamity and bars of life to make the blocks

[hollow shell]

There we go, added to Don'ts
And therefore the Shadowspec furniture suggestion is not valid

[bitter drift]

this would be a fresh new hell

[dreamy fjord]

ok ill delete the shadowspec one

[hollow shell]

Auric's fine of course

[dreamy fjord]

i got rid of the shadow one

[hollow shell]

Thanks

[dreamy fjord]

but i really want auric toilets

i can take a crap into pure wealth

[bitter drift]

we all know what we want, sulfuruos sand toilet

i want to piss into the piss sea again! lol

like please make this a thing xD

[gusty geode]

They're apparently adding a Sulphur Sea wood in the next update
They can't not add a furniture set made from that

[frail mantle]

they can

[sinful violet]

btw rover i just thought that people actually asking for dev items was such an edge case that i removed it

apparently not

[gusty geode]

Why wouldn't they tho
That's kinda an essential part of any wood type
You saw how common sugs for Astral Monolith (AI wood) furniture was

[sinful violet]

?

[hollow shell]

(Responding to Leon)

[sinful violet]

Oh you're talking to leon

[hollow shell]

I spose the dev item thing fits better in Don'ts anyhow

[radiant meadow]

don'ts basically are rules

I wouldn't call furniture essential

but having another type of wood would certainly provoke suggestions for furniture until it is done

[karmic stone]

Eh

[toxic kettle]

receipts?

[karmic stone]

Most people usually say that it's too spongy because of the clone

If anything, maybe you found a certain weapon that may need nerfing

Can you provide killtimes

[woeful ginkgo]

clone is not a thing anymore

[karmic stone]

@paper hinge 🏓

o?

[woeful ginkgo]

there's only polter that can be damaged now

[karmic stone]

Neat

[paper hinge]

found it just a little too easy right after ml

[woeful ginkgo]

the clone is just here until polterghast dies

And adding more HP/DR to the boss will make the boss even more boring to fight/farm.

[paper hinge]

i guess, maybe make it do more damage then?

[woeful ginkgo]

making the first 2 phases of the fight a little bit longer won't hurt the fight so much

[hollow shell]

Clone got reworked?

[woeful ginkgo]

Yes it did hold on i'll check my polter no hit from this patch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA6IBtelBdc&t=18s

P3 the clone can't be killed

[hollow shell]

Strange, changelogs doesn't mention it

[woeful ginkgo]

it only dies if the main one aka polterghast dies

[distant gyro]

I thought it does

[woeful ginkgo]

it's from the 9th march so it's pretty up to date

[distant gyro]

• Polterghast now despawns if no target is nearby. [18]
• Polterghast’s clone in phase 3 is now invulnerable at all times. In return, Polterghast’s damage reduction in phase 3 is now always 50%.

[radiant meadow]

the clone is invincible

ye

[woeful ginkgo]

p1 and p2 dies way too fast imo

[hollow shell]

Could you link that, Altix?

[radiant meadow]

I think 18 refers to the changelog

and the 2nd bullet point is in a personal changelog

not #changelogs

[hollow shell]

I was referring to the channel

That's kind of a major change

[radiant meadow]

it was kind of last minute change on the tester's side

[hollow shell]

Strange

[radiant meadow]

that may be why it's not listed

[hollow shell]

Thanks for informing

[radiant meadow]

it was tested though

[woeful ginkgo]

I'm wondering if Polter will be buffed again, I think this is really hard to balance this boss.

[zenith hazel]

the last time polter was tested, it was still a short fight but Fab buffed p1 and p2's DR

afterwards, we just kinda went with it being fine

[toxic kettle]

Why was Polter even reworked like that

[ashen warren]

Polter might be similar to wof in that arena prep is exponentially more important than anything else, and if that is so then balancing it may be an inherently flawed concept

Honestly I bet I’ll end up preferring this change tho

[zenith hazel]

the testers were just kinda told to test his DR changes and he was buffed accordingly

[narrow sorrel]

i made a polterghast buff suggestion not too long ago

but it was also a providence nerf one

[subtle oracle]

Ignore that, accidental post

still typing out the suggestion

[hollow shell]

@subtle oracle That suggestion is hard to read
It's a lot of rambling and run-on sentences with no formatting

[subtle oracle]

Eh, i have no clue how to space things out, it gets posted when i hit Enter

[hollow shell]

Hold shift

[zenith hazel]

shift + enter

[hollow shell]

and press enter

[subtle oracle]

Well ill just edit it then thanks

[hollow shell]

Aight

Try to separate your sentences out a bit more, too.

"I know i know, "You can just RoD through it," But you must understand that Chaos state doesn't wear off instantaneously anymore That shit is old news because you have to wait a FULL 10 SECONDS for chaos state and i think the Flare Bombs/Flare Dusts' duration until they explode being reduced can balance this whole bull-shittery out, the giant Flarenados do not help as well because they block your save passage, you can always choose to ignore this suggestion but you should implement this to make the Yharon Fight less Painful and Gut Wrenching..."

This is all one sentence

Utilize periods.

[quiet abyss]

The reason they take so long to explode is for the exact reason of catching players, actually.
Typically, unless you move in a way that involves changing your direction and backtracking towards an area that you had just passed a few seconds ago, his delayed aimed flare bombs will never really be a threat to you at all.

And even if you decide to do that, if you backtrack quickly enough they'll still be standing still.
In which case you can carefully maneuver through the gaps between them.

[zenith hazel]

yeah I don't really agree with this sugg for the most part because one of the key elements in phase 2 is that you'd have to pay attention

[quiet abyss]

^ Same

Nerfing these flare bombs even further will just make their existence become even more irrelevant then they already usually are.

[subtle oracle]

I edited it, can you review it now Rover?

Ive seen Pinkie and Brav's opinions

[hollow shell]

Separation is good. More readable.
You should still fix some of your run-on sentences

That's better

[subtle oracle]

All right i Added Periods to the paragraph, What is this English class?

[hollow shell]

lol

Good English helps when you're writing :P

[subtle oracle]

So i guess my suggestion is in vain then, according to Pinkie and Brav

[quiet abyss]

Eh, we'll see.
Just because we don't agree doesn't mean some others would be the same.

We're merely offering our opinions.

[subtle oracle]

We'll have to see because its 1 AM for me, most people are sleeping and they cant give me those JUICY STARS ⭐

[hollow shell]

Yharon really is the thinking man's boss.
From tornado positioning to area-denial awareness

Must be why I suck so much at beating him :P

[subtle oracle]

Yharon is bs, the lowest i got him was 30% phase 2, i beat him easily back in the day what happened?

[tired haven]

Probably yharhar stopped dying with both phases in 1 minute

That's the only explanation I have, given I have met the exact same phenomenon at some point

[hollow shell]

(I've still yet to beat Rev Yharon. I just kinda gave up on my playthrough after a while. Gotta get back to trying that at some point)

[ashen warren]

yharon is a very positioning-heavy boss, which is interesting considering that you'd think "giant dragon" means fast and furious fight

I tend to like yharon as he is right now though, hell I miss stuff like the angery flame, which forced you to keep moving and think quickly along all the other stuff he has now
but that's just me

[lost agate]

I dont like yharon personally

[subtle oracle]

No one does, that is why i made my suggestion. He can eat dick

[tired haven]

🙄

[lost agate]

Now thats a generalization

[tired haven]

Don't put the words in everyone's mouth, krastyan

[lost agate]

I have my reasons to not like him, people also have reasons to like him

[queen delta]

Clearly your suggestion has salt behind it

[lost agate]

Anyway

[pulsar jay]

i personally didn't enjoy yharon but that doesn't mean everyone didn't

[queen delta]

And suggestions with salt sprinkled on them aren’t the best suggestions

[subtle oracle]

Eh, im just getting tired of overnight Yharon attempts. Maybe i need to get zzzzz

[queen delta]

Yeah, take a break

[lost agate]

Nerfing yharon cuz rod was nerfed is uh

[ashen warren]

fight yharon earlier if you can, night is when your reflexes start leaving the building

[subtle oracle]

I just suggested what i suggested because i feel like there is no balance with his stationary projectiles and RoD thing

[lost agate]

Its like saying eat food cuz a racoon fell on a river

[zenith hazel]

you don’t need RoD to dodge yharon though

[ashen warren]

it would entirely defeat the purpose of the RoD nerf

[subtle oracle]

Maybe if you memorize everything he throws at you, like i just get overwhelmed at phase 2 Subphase 6

[zenith hazel]

do that then

[queen delta]

And bosses shouldnt be changed to reflect the rod nerf

[zenith hazel]

that’s the entire point of yharon p2

[ashen warren]

memorization is actually encouraged in post-ml bosses

it can suck, especially when they get reworked, but hey it keeps them interesting

[subtle oracle]

P2 is easier than P1 but i just dont see that, sure its less ramming more projectiles but the projectiles are all over the screen

[tired haven]

To be entirely honest, the homing dust does seem a tad too oppressive, flying around you to the point where it's just angery flame's prodigal child

[ashen warren]

especially when you have muscle memory and memorization but not enough to trivialize content

[zenith hazel]

p2 is neither easier nor harder than p1

it’s all subjective

[subtle oracle]

Subjective? Thats fair thank you for saying that

Brav

[split narwhal]

Slightly nerf depth crusher's hammer power/use speed or make it rarer.
Currently, the depth crusher is extremely powerful in terms of hammer power and use speed at the time it is obtained.Comparison with other best hammers/hamaxes in pre hardmode:
Depth crusher:70% hammer power, 22 use time, drops from moray eels(ocean/abyss floor 1 enemy) with a 6.67%/10% chance, obtainable pre boss;
Aerial hamaxe:65% hammer power, 24 use time, crafts from aerialite bars, post hive/perf;
meteor hamaxe:60% hammer power, 30 use time, crafts from meteorite bars, obtainable pre boss by smashing a shadow orb/crimson heart(technically should be around the level of EoW/BoC);
Molten hamaxe:70% hammer power, 27 use time, crafts from hellstone bars, obtainable pre boss by the reaver shark(technically should be obtained around the level of post EoW/BoC);
rockfish:70% hammer power, 24 use time, fished in the cavern layer with a 2% chance at 50% fishing power, obtainable pre boss;

As you can see, the depth crusher is by far the easiest to obtain and the best hammer out of all of these:As it's drop rate is quite high at a 10%, a bit of farming with water candle(easily acquired from the dungeon)/battle potions nets you the best hammer pre hardmode;Others are either locked behind bosses or require at least a bit more effort to get, as they are obtained through fishing/mining.

thoughts

[tall fox]

why do people care about hammer balance

[quick ice]

It’s basically on par with the Rockfish

[hollow shell]

oof, I was worried about its hammer power actually

[tall fox]

isnt 100% hammer power required for altars?

[hollow shell]

Cuz it's not supposed to be mainly a hammer

It's a weapon first and foremost

[tall fox]

Oh I never go melee so I would not tknow that

[split narwhal]

forgot to mention that it is also a weapon which makes it even better than the rest

Also crush depth pre boss

[quick ice]

It could be made post-Skeletron to justify its hammer power, similarly to the Box jellyfish weapon

[hollow shell]

Yeah it is weird that Depth Crusher is the best hammer in pre-HM and requires little effort to obtain

[split narwhal]

It's mainly supposed to be a true melee weapon but ends up on a totally different path altogether

[quick ice]

It’s abyss themed so locking it behind Skeletron wouldn’t be unreasonable, and lowering drop rates to, say, 5% wouldn’t make the weapon incredibly difficult to obtain for those interested in it

[split narwhal]

It should get a buff in damage to compensate in that case

[ashen warren]

hammer balance matters? ok.

pwnhammer is 85% last I checked

[tall fox]

man these dudes breakin walls too fast in preHM, nerf time !

[ashen warren]

ah, 80%, close enough

[split narwhal]

Every balance matters

[ashen warren]

oh, don't use usetime

it's tooltime or toolspeed that matters

[split narwhal]

Can't find toolspeed for calamity tools

Or I am just dumb

[ashen warren]

you usually can on the wiki but not for depth crusher it seems

[hollow shell]

Ah, hasn't been put on the page yet?

I'll do that in the morning

[ashen warren]

I'd fix it if I knew how to find toolspeed 🙃

[hollow shell]

Modder's Toolkit might have it

[distant gyro]

tool speed for DC = use time

aka 22

rockfish's is 14

[tepid root]

:22:

[distant gyro]

molten hamaxe's is also 14

[split narwhal]

Well, guess I'll edit the sug to clarify

[distant gyro]

aerial hamaxe is 26

[tired haven]

Change the suggestion from "nerf depth crusher" to "buff aerial hamaxe" tbh

[ashen warren]

meteor is pre-boss in the same way depth crusher is

meteor is actually a lot easier to acquire considering that smashing a shadow orb is what kickstarts everything

[distant gyro]

oh yea btw meteor hamaxe's is 16

[ashen warren]

you also need water breathing gear, and technically you start with gills potions and you can find a few more via chests, but doing that sacrifices an early hellevator

I'd consider the hammer stats pretty balanced taking this stuff into consideration

[distant gyro]

In terms of functionality Depth Crusher is way worse than Meteor/Molten Hamaxe anyway since both of them also function as an axe in addition to being faster

[ashen warren]

and wowie I forgot just how slow the prehm calamity ore tools can be

[distant gyro]

This kinda reflects how bad aerial hamaxe is tho

[split narwhal]

~~With meteorite you at least need a decent amount of bombs or a tungsten pickaxe to mine it. Plus you can just stand still and semi afk farm the mobs but you can't really farm the meteorite. Just my take ~~

[ashen warren]

you are still limited in similar ways

a silver pickaxe is relatively easy to acquire compared to shark fins and gills potions aren't common outside that

you start with bombs so build a house and boom, bombs

calamity messes with the economy anyway

[distant gyro]

not really

I think economy exclusively breaks when you start piling up difficulty items

[ashen warren]

revengeance and death must boost money then

[distant gyro]

Rev = 2x cash
Arma = Essentially +500% cash from bosses
Defiled = 1.5x cash

[ashen warren]

rev is 2x? I thought it was 50% huh

[distant gyro]

I don't think Death raises any, because it's death

[ashen warren]

even taking that into consideration, bombs be cheap

[split narwhal]

From my experience, you don't necessary need to go underwater for the moray eels to to spawn but spawn mechanics are not my thing

[distant gyro]

oh yeah it's 1.5x

[ashen warren]

oh moray eels spawn in the ocean

gigalul that's right

I thought they were an abyss level 1 enemy

[distant gyro]

moray eels aren't too common on the ocean surface but so does every other enemy tbh

[split narwhal]

Wulfrum/reefclaw hammer has 29 tool speed, abyssal warhammer has 38, wooden hammer has 25 tool speed

[distant gyro]

ore tools suck apparently

[sand umbra]

Abyssal Warhammer is literally ass last I checked

[split narwhal]

an ebon/shadewood hammer has 20 tool speed and 40% hammer power, truly overpowered

[tired haven]

well it's called warhammer for a reason /s

[split narwhal]

But it's not very good at both of it's jobs

[tired haven]

shh

[tawny gyro]

do you guys think deathmode WoF is okay?

as in, maybe too easy or too hard?

i have a possible idea to make the fight harder

but it might get passed off as a meme sugg

basically,

[sand umbra]

personally I think it's fine

(especially considering standard hellgen is an absolute shitfest)

[tawny gyro]

Make Deathmode WoF summon from the other side of the arena.

As it stands, Deathmode WoF is pretty simple - you just, run. It does take a while to kill it, though. What if we spice up the difficulty by halving the time you have to kill it?

i mean, it kinda is

unless veinminer

[sand umbra]

veinminer can't eliminite lava

[split narwhal]

The WoF fight greatly depends on the arena setup you are using

[tawny gyro]

lava does a gravitate

the basic premise is - you spawn WoF on the right half of your world, it spawns on your left

[frail mantle]

that's what it already does, yes

[sand umbra]

not quite

[tawny gyro]

it

kinda doesn't?

[sand umbra]

this is actually the direct inversion of its normal behavior

[frail mantle]

o

[tawny gyro]

look

[ ] world

[sand umbra]

...and now that I think about it, it'd probably cause some bug reports and other funny memes regarding that behavior if it happened

[tawny gyro]

if you do it on the right half

[sand umbra]

because people cannot read and cannot think
at least 30% of the time

[tawny gyro]

[ | ] it spawns here and goes RIGHT

so you have at most half of your world's length to kill it

[frail mantle]

don't most people already summon it in the middle, so this would basically change nothing

[tawny gyro]

lol what?

who even summons wof in the middle lol

[split narwhal]

Most people summon it on the far ends

[frail mantle]

i do

[tawny gyro]

yeah, exactly

[tired haven]

I don't think that's a good change to be done
A lot of people goes to the border of the world because that buys them the most distance and then they are insta-screwed just because haha

[sand umbra]

tbf

[tawny gyro]

well, that would suck

[sand umbra]

it'd induce at least a dozen "bug reports" if it were to be added

[tired haven]

Better question: what does that change provide to the fight apart from stricter dps floor?

[sand umbra]

nothin'

a whole lotta nothin'

[tawny gyro]

more pressure

[tired haven]

Peer pressure?

[sand umbra]

not really pressure

[tawny gyro]

given your time goes from like 4 minutes down to 2

or more on larger worlds

[tired haven]

Is that a good thing? Given most bosses have virtually no limit

[frail mantle]

it'd probably just mean a lot of people going to bugs like yo wtf why is waffle spawning on the wrong side >:((((((

[split narwhal]

Suggestion: Have two walls coming from both left and right of the world to try and crush you

[sand umbra]

it'd probably just mean a lot of people going to bugs like yo wtf why is waffle spawning on the wrong side >:((((((
that's what I've been saying for the past five minutes reeeeeeeee

[tawny gyro]

so

as i expected

meme sugg

[tired haven]

[sand umbra]

don't shove words down my throat, please

they taste horrible when you don't prep 'em right

[frail mantle]

[tired haven]

Boiled words yum
Anyway, I hope that this explains it for now

[sand umbra]

anywho, it's not really a meme sugg at all
there can be some logical backing as to why it'd happen, such as a stricter time limit for the boss fight

but in the scenario of WoF in particular, it changes too many things about the fight for it to be good for the mode in the long run

and before you ask: yes, the direction WoF goes in is a fundamental change
most of our understanding of WoF as a boss is built around the idea that, if you spawn it on the left of your world, it spawns on the left and travels right to give you the most time

you can't really change that without changing a lot of underlying assumptions people normally make in regards to prepping for WoF

throw in the fact that hellgen is an absolute shitfest to work around for WoF's purposes given what you get at that tier, and uh

lol

[tender swan]

as they are obtained through fishing
@split narwhal fishing still requires little to no skill. this isnt a valid reason to nerf some silly hammer that i never saw pop up, especially a 10% drop rate from an annoyingly rare enemy.

[sand umbra]

Moray Eels

annoyingly rare

[tepid root]

big thonk

[sand umbra]

someone hasn't had to farm out Purple Mucos or the Eye of Magnus before, I see

[tender swan]

when i got through prehardmode, through the amount of grinding i went through to get the sirens heart, the darned eel things didnt even spawn enough, with water candles and battle potions that i wasnt even able to kill up to 50 of them.

[tepid root]

how

[tender swan]

im either majorly unlucky, or
yeah i never saw this depth crusher thing once

fishing still requires no skill

[split narwhal]

It was called depth blade before

[sand umbra]

fishing requires a greater power

patience

[tender swan]

.. isnt that a sword?

[sand umbra]

used to be

[distant gyro]

depth blade was renamed and changed

[sand umbra]

the old alias of Depth Crusher

[tender swan]

..they changed it?

[sand umbra]

yes

[distant gyro]

yes

[tender swan]

oh

why'd they turn a sword into a hammer

[sand umbra]

[tender swan]

alright yes i had the sword dropping like a madman, but
im just gonna step right out, good gaming yall

[distant gyro]

because the sprite reflected a hammer

so it was changed to fit the sprite

[tender swan]

one sec

double nevermind i never had this depth crusher thing spawn ever

[tired haven]

..That's one major redesign, hueh

[tender swan]

i mistook this for you guys changing that stupid blade thing that also inflicted crush depth upon hit

or are we actually serious that you guys turned the dinky blade that didnt do much into a decent hammer

[tired haven]

You can check the wiki and look at sprite history to confirm that

[tender swan]

this just sounds like an april fools joke gone wrong

[distant gyro]

it's also in the trivia of depth crusher

[tender swan]

because its also still used to make a bloody sword still

[split narwhal]

Actually the old sprite is gone, just checked the wiki

[tender swan]

yeah the sprite is missing, kaput

[split narwhal]

Also it still does craft into abyss blade

[tender swan]

..Huh. thats a really strange change anyways.

[dry grotto]

i wouldn't rly buff queen bee on surface more. sure it's easier above ground than underground. but if u ask me, queen bee's more like a miniboss anyway.

[tired haven]

[fervent citrus]

If one wants to dodge all stibgers just run in one direction lol

Maybe giving her a new attack in dmode would be cool

Cuz other bosses have dmode exclusive AI i think

[tepid root]

wh

no??

[fervent citrus]

Well, i mean

Like

WoF dashes in dmode

And uuuh

[zenith hazel]

WoF dashes in rev+, not just only death

[fervent citrus]

Destroyer shoo- ok maybe there are new AIs in rev not dmode

Ye

Phrased it wrongly

[potent veldt]

"slightly nerf depth crusher"

Okay, but then why does the suggestion gotta be 3 paragraphs

[tepid root]

hammer balance is very important to the game

[distant gyro]

tool balance be like

[tepid root]

[distant gyro]

especially axes and hammers

[tepid root]

god

[distant gyro]

axes is just "lol numbers rising"

[tepid root]

and hammer is literally for one thing and thats it

[distant gyro]

hammers are "lol numbers rising but make sure phm hammers can't get 80+"

[potent veldt]

Axes are I must go even faster

Also, preHM axes doesn't even mean anything, because don't the altars require WoF dead anyway

[tepid root]

numbers rising

[potent veldt]

I would make a suggestion about how hammer power should actually matter, because it's really weird that a wood hammer can break crag walls

[distant gyro]

both axe and hammer powers are literally number rising

[potent veldt]

But I know it doesn't matter and no one cares

[distant gyro]

i don't think we want to touch that

we're not terraria overhaul

[potent veldt]

Yeah, that's what I figured it

New suggestion: require WoF to be defeated to use any hammers at all

[tepid root]

🏁

[potent veldt]

Wall of Hammers

[chrome holly]

If I can ask a semi-stupid question, what does the exclamation mark means, exactly?

[radiant meadow]

[chrome holly]

I know, but I mean, it means it wasn't reviewed, but 1 how much time does it take and 2 how bad is it if it isn't?

... that sentence would probably make the average english teacher apoplectic but whatever

[quiet abyss]

1.) It depends on how many mods are online atm, as well as their general activities. If they're busy with smth else other than looking at #suggestions-voting , then it can take quite a while.
2.) Depends:
-If no mods have seen it yet, it entirely depends on the suggestion itself.
-If a mod or two had seen it but the mark is still there after they review it, there's likely smth wrong with the suggestion itself that's making them not taking the mark off, and if that's the case they'll be sure to mention it in this channel.
The problems can range from being worded badly, breaking the rules of suggestions, the suggestion itself having a generally biased reasoning etc.

[chrome holly]

ok thanks

Guess I'll just wait some more

[earnest raptor]

Oh my god, finally

[toxic kettle]

SIS

[keen geyser]

back when they were actually accepted

[hallow kraken]

congrats, you did it?

[earnest raptor]

Yeah

After one year

[gray nebula]

damf I starred it all the way back then,,

[toxic kettle]

hold up 🏁

[tepid root]

damb..

also yeah ancient god slayer armor is a thing, its a cool vanity set, idk about ancient astral tho

[hollow shell]

if Ancient Astral is part of the same sugg then no flag

[radiant meadow]

I can add ancient astral tho....

maybe

[tepid root]

do it

[hollow shell]

I personally only do flags when the sugg is 100% completed

[radiant meadow]

if sheets are available

[tepid root]

[hollow shell]

And nah its not nearly as iconic

no reason to

[tepid root]

h

[ashen warren]

insert complaint about gilded dagger being thrown sideways

[tepid root]

bug

[tired haven]

Smh ancient astral was more iconic than ancient god slayer

Now, ancient auric tesla helmet is real shit

[tepid root]

ee

[radiant meadow]

I fixed gilded/gleaming dagger

[hollow shell]

(wasn't its only issue that the curved bit was facing upward when thrown to one side and downward then thrown to the other?)

[prime elbow]

yes at one point then the fix broke it

[ashen warren]

why is everyone suggesting yharon nerfs ahhh

[tepid root]

it just. happened

[zealous ridge]

because hes a bad boss

don't @ me

but dw with all the requests i feel yharon will get some nerfs in due time, as he already has in some facets

like the flarenadoes

[foggy plover]

he already got nerfed

hes not a bad boss either lol

[zealous ridge]

i disagree

but yeah, he did get nerfed a bit

and idk if the changes are enough to make him a better fight, bc cal playthroughs take a long time

but theyre steps in the right direction

[hollow shell]

@sly crater We don't balance around other mods

[sly crater]

well played

[hollow shell]

If it's impossible with Masomode, that's not our issue to fix

[sly crater]

so how to beat it

[hallow kraken]

don’t play masodeath

[hollow shell]

Well I mean we do add raw compatibility with Fargo's but balancing is a different story

[sly crater]

i've beated Cryo, BE and AS

[hollow shell]

Skip Twins if it's literally impossible

[sly crater]

but mechs are nearly impossibru

[foggy plover]

kill prime then skip the others till you can dps them down easily

[placid girder]

He's fine

You just need to be closer to ret that you normally would be

He's still very possible

[tired haven]

find another player to fight twins in mp and split them by half a world

[sly crater]

i need to beat some of mechs just to make pickaxe and mine chlorophyte, but it dont make sense, because of freakin' deathray with 250 dmg and debuff causing you to lose tons of hp

[placid girder]

Also you have rod access

[tired haven]

Deathray is to blame on maso

[sly crater]

rod is for, ya know..........

[foggy plover]

prime is the most fair out of all of them

[placid girder]

But yeah it's very possible to beat

Don't worry about it

[sly crater]

i wouldn't say this

[foggy plover]

they are all possible, twins just has a bit of rng on it

[placid girder]

Destroyer is fucked rn but that's on maso end

[sly crater]

overbuffed and in top gear these 👁️ guys keep killing me because of deathray/fire aura+charge

prime battle is just a bullet hell with stunning rocket and then HELLO THERE GENERAL KENOBI, I'll CHARGE INTO YOU AND KILL

Also despawning-AS fix when?

[hollow shell]

It was fixed in the most recent update, wasn't it?

#mod-downloads

[sly crater]

today i've lost around 6 summon items because of his despawning

i've updated to most recent version

[hollow shell]

Oh you mean AS himself

thought you were talking about NPCs

[foggy plover]

just keep it from going outside the map border

he doesnt despawn when inside the map

[sly crater]

Will he be enraged if he taken out of suplh sea?

[hollow shell]

He'll run away if taken out of the sea

[sly crater]

okay, thx

[zealous ridge]

god damn, turning sandcloak and co into usable items did not go over well

[subtle oracle]

My yharon nerf isn't going well too

[zealous ridge]

ye

personally i don't think his flare dusts are too much of an issue

they make straight up circling unviable, and yeah theyre annoying to just literally run into without any real warning besides knowing that they move in a certain way if you move in a certain way

but eh, they aren't as bad as some of his other attacks

[civic quail]

someone suggest a hardmode upgrade to amazon called amazon prime

[frail mantle]

no

[sand umbra]

/scribbles down notes

[bitter drift]

@sly crater maso mode shouldn't be played with death mode!
just look at destroyer!

[sand umbra]

people shouldn't give examples they don't know the current status of!
just look at Destroyer, whose yessing across the map at the speed of yeet was already corrected!

[cloud surge]

Fix the issue with resummoning minions
Resummoning your minions to hit bosses or enemies is incredibly useful, but there's an issue with calamity minions where you cant resummon them. if you have the calamity resummon workaround mod, you usually wont be able to summon up to your max minions because of it. i'd be cool if I could resummon my minions or be able to resummon them while having all 6 of my minions out.

[bitter drift]

new DS attack: mega charge
after some time DS will borrow himself into the sand below and will charge strait up with the momentum, the distance of the charge from where he exit the ground is far enough to pass the surface of the desert, this attack will not target you.
reason: i know DS is the first boss in calamity but a bad boss is a boss that can't reach or even hit you, his sand blasts are a fine way to not punish cocky players who just build a platform so high that it's still in the desert but DS can't reach you at all there but a good way to kill you? not really, giving him a way to reach you will also make the fight not just more challenging and losable but also not as simple as get a platform at the border of the surface biome which is honestly harder then anything the DS have ever thrown at me.

[frail mantle]

buffing the tutorial boss moment

[bitter drift]

we have tried that didn't work

just give him a single attack that will allow him to reach your platform

[frail mantle]

why

he already can sometimes

besides, he's meant to be easy

[hollow shell]

Buffing Desert Scourge is a Don't

because ^

[frail mantle]

^

[bitter drift]

it is honestly too easy

[hollow shell]

He can indeed reach you with sand blasts

in Rev

which is a higher difficulty mode

[bitter drift]

but will it be enough to kill you? never

this won't kill you

even in death mode

[frail mantle]

it's still buffing the tutorial boss

[bitter drift]

most of the time you just dig out the desert surface and put an arena at the edge of the biome sand blast are a simple you can't stay in the same place so just walk in this strait line

[hollow shell]

And note that DS isn't a totally free win
because you need to know to make an arena, and set it up properly
If you fight him on the ground or on an arena that's too low, you will probably get fucked

[bitter drift]

and if this is the tutorial boss he REALLY doesn't prepare you for calamity

[cloud surge]

sand blasts cant do anything to this

[hollow shell]

And looky there, you strategized to counter the sand blasts

[bitter drift]

why?

[hollow shell]

Was it easy to counter?
Yes
Because it's the first boss

[bitter drift]

you can dodge it by simply walking in a strait line xD

[frail mantle]

yes

because he's the first boss

[cloud surge]

but yah dont buff the first boss

[bitter drift]

ok but this is still pretty dumb that making the DS arena is harder then killing the DS himself!

[hollow shell]

tell that to WoF

[bitter drift]

i died 3 times making it and i have yet to die to DS

[cloud surge]

if you dont cheese DS then he actually is a bit challenging

[hollow shell]

also yeah no shit cuz you actually prepared

[cloud surge]

i think DS just being a loot box for early game is fine

[hollow shell]

Now question is

Is this a bug

[cloud surge]

most likely

and it has been there for a long time

[bitter drift]

also @hollow shell you talked about WoF
you are right, WoF is in need of a buff

[cloud surge]

no, it isnt

[hollow shell]

I don't think so

because it takes so much effort to make an arena for him

[cloud surge]

i dont know if its just me but wof isnt easy

[hollow shell]

The arena makes it easy
If you try to fight him in natural underworld, it's hard

[cloud surge]

not every boss needs to take 100 attempts to beat

[frail mantle]

if spending a bunch of time on an arena for a boss makes a boss easy, it doesn't warrant a nerf tbh

[gusty geode]

Came in late, but just wanted to check something regarding the DS thing

[bitter drift]

@hollow shell well when you have a wall and no way to pass it you would be right :/

[hollow shell]

.. indeed

[cloud surge]

if you have a way to get through obsidian towers then it actually is pretty easy

beacause he doesnt shoot through walls

[gusty geode]

Desert Scourge is meant to be a tutorial boss so it's ok if it's ridiculously easy and cheesable, right?
That'd make sense if it was the first boss, but...

[hollow shell]

First clammo boss, yes

[gusty geode]

And KS does have strong anti-cheese with the crown jewel thing

[frail mantle]

only in Rev+

[hollow shell]

DS also gets sand blasts to attack you if you're on a platform in Rev+

[frail mantle]

yea

[hollow shell]

(I will say that I've historically had more trouble with KS than DS)

[cloud surge]

i have six minion slots, why does this happen

[gusty geode]

That's less reliable than an invincible flying enemy shooting at you
If you stand by what you're saying about DS
Maybe update the boss progression list to coincide with that?

[hollow shell]

Looks like a bug
Report in #bugs-read-pins

[ashen warren]

D-Mode Desert Scourge now it's a bit difficult now

but it still an easy boss

even with the giant HM desert worm AI

[ashen warren]

bobylev really be using brimsus instead of old why

condensing dews seems good

[indigo fog]

Philosopher's stone already comes from the crags

so giving it a recipe isn't really that necessary

[ashen warren]

most of those recipes are a huge bruh

[digital saddle]

i would get insane ocd if every mimic drop except that got a recipe

[indigo fog]

Bone Glove is expert only

[ashen warren]

very easy and simple

[indigo fog]

and has nothing to even do with melee at all

it's just a glove

[ashen warren]

feral claws can work now since you can craft those with like 5 leather

[digital saddle]

i have cross necklace locked behind hallowed so u cant just roll into hardmode and get deific with 0 effort

at least have to look for one if you want it early

[gusty geode]

Mimics are guaranteed to drop at least one of these anyway
And last I checked those spawn pretty often

[zealous ridge]

i mean

[digital saddle]

mimics are uncommon

not super rare

but uncommon

[indigo fog]

I never really had much of a problem with farming those items

[zealous ridge]

there really doesn't need to be a recipe for everything, does there?

[gusty geode]

Eeeeh
Some people may disagree with that

Not saying those people are right but still

[ashen warren]

having recipes for everything disincentives' time investment

[digital saddle]

i mean

you can extend that argument

to basically all the new vanilla recipes

[ashen warren]

the only recipes that I care about are the ones that allow me to not need to make a new world for a specific item

[gusty geode]

Was gonna say that tbh
The vast majority of those recipes just exist for people with bad luck

[digital saddle]

u can craft cell phone and ankh shield components

which are just uncommon drops

[gusty geode]

The cell phone components that you get from the Traveling Merchant aren't craftable afaik

[ashen warren]

dps meter should be crafted really easily like radar, it's a very important tool and you can't do anything about traveling merchant spawns

[gusty geode]

Whenever this topic about QoL stuff comes up I'm reminded of that thing the devs said a long time ago about there being hard-to-get but slightly op weapons
And weaker but easier-to-get ones
I'm a massive hipster so maybe I'm not the right person to ask
But imo this mod could do with removing most/all of its QoL recipes and adding more easy-to-get alternative gear
It doesn't hurt to use a suboptimal loadout everyone once in a while

[ashen warren]

that statement doesn't hold true at all now

I wish it did

[hollow shell]

@digital saddle You do not need to list out the exact recipes required

Nor should you

Just say that they should have recipes and let the devs decide what they should be

Thank you.

This is now the shortest suggestion in the world but it's technically complete so it gets a pass :P

Tho you may wanna clarify you mean normal mimics

not giant (biome) mimics.

Thank you 👍

[gusty geode]

Maybe the bosses are made with the meta in mind
If that's the case then ig they'd need to be rebalanced so they work with the new system

[ashen warren]

calamity could probably do with content pruning, squid, but look at how people reacted to astrageldon being removed

and yeah, calamity is very meta-slave rewarding

[digital saddle]

"meta" as in "good items" lol

[ashen warren]

when an item is "meta" that means it's part of the "meta"

the "meta" of a game is basically the "best" items according to the masses

it can extend to mechanics also, like how critical hits just became less meta in warframe, and so on

[digital saddle]

if you're rewarded for playing the "meta" then doesnt that just mean the community is right about what is good...?

[ashen warren]

meta's reward lobotomizing yourself and not having an opinion

you just listen to whoever sounds the smartest instead of doing anything yourself

it saps creativity, longevity of a game, and makes it that long running balance issues can just be entirely ignored

most MMOs manufacture a dynamic meta because of this, changing everything up every few years

[digital saddle]

i dont really see what you mean
there are generally good items. You can argue that some items need balance changes, but calamity isnt the type of mod you really go into completely blind

[ashen warren]

as it is, there's good and there's never used outside of very specific contexts

it would be nice if this weren't the case because then you could just pick the weapon you like using the most, instead of always getting the "meta" item

which is what the statement about balance is about, slightly rewarding any and all grind across the board and such

[zenith hazel]

I agree, let’s buff aerial bane and only that

[pulsar jay]

yeah i think the mini/megashark are really dumb looking and boring to use weapons but i gotta use them because they're the best option

[gray nebula]

If you don't like these meta weapons, don't use them?

[pulsar jay]

betsy and ogre's weapons are extremely fun but they aren't very good so you better get other thing instead

[frosty dagger]

It hard to not when they are by for the better items, and aren't like halibut cannon

We need a reason to use OOA items

[gray nebula]

Yeah the bossfights will last slightly longer but at least you won't be using a boring weapon

[pulsar jay]

well the thing about those is that they're so good that not using them is a massive handicap

[gray nebula]

Also I'm not responding to your suggestion

Bruh

[pulsar jay]

alsso did you suggest that 2 seconds after reading my comment

[gray nebula]

The testers are trying to balance stuff as much a they can

[pulsar jay]

you wrote that in 2 seconds dude what the fuck

[gray nebula]

So everything should be viable

[frosty dagger]

I didnt

I had it planned on Monday to post this today

I made a comment on Monday saying I would post it today

[zenith hazel]

if you want non-meta stuff to be buffed then give us a list

[frosty dagger]

I'm sorry for this unfortunate timming

[pulsar jay]

you were planning that since monday but the suggestion is like 3 sentences

[frosty dagger]

What else am I supposed to say

[ashen warren]

that would be quite the list to make, considering how many weapons there are

[frosty dagger]

Simplicity is best sometimes

[zenith hazel]

otherwise, saying stuff like “this group of weps isn’t good” is vague and doesn’t benefit both parties

[frosty dagger]

Nobody will read a list