I just looked as the wiki, to see the new shiv named exo shiv
#suggestions-discussion
tawny gyro
yo why were Phantasmal Ruin and Shattered Sun removed from the Celestus recipe?
tawny gyro
replaced by Alpha Virus and Enchanted Axe
placid girder
Overall shivs are in a decent place imo
quiet abyss
(Not the right chat for this, but yes)
tawny gyro
where should we move this then?
quiet abyss
tawny gyro
k
queen sail
God
inner rover
not upset, but I am over the nerf now
queen sail
Did you guys really just make upgrades for all of celestus’ old ingredients to make it feel more in line with endgame and then just revert it back by switching almost all of it out
tawny gyro
then again this could be a suggestion to revert the addition of AV and EA
cuz that's kinda random? and removes some progression
queen sail
If you’re gonna do this does this confirm chad enchanted axe hm upgrade? :pogooo:
worthy fiber
@tawny gyro Phantasmal Ruin is a javelin and Shattered Sun is a dagger
For consistency (and potential exo-weapons) in the future
tawny gyro
and, as i said
alpha virus is not a boomerang
so only the addition of Enchanted Axe makes sense
if the change is done for consistency, why would they add something that's not a boomerang to the recipe?
radiant meadow
hot take, add an upgrade to alpha virus that re-adds the boomerang function of epidemic shredder
red stormBOT
queen sail
potent veldt
I do kinda agree that the change seems kinda redundant
There's no obvious reason for it
ashen warren
exo javelin intensifies
worthy fiber
Cosmis Imm. also has a sentry in it
Point is, might as well save the upgrade lines for the exo weapons they belong in
ashen warren
If we are going to change the recipes of the weapons, should we also change the behaviors? After all, and the recipe weapons change, so should the traits they inherit
worthy fiber
Perhaps, wouldn't be bad to rework weapons later in progression when you introduce more variety into the mix
ashen warren
True, although with Calamity and how it is constantly changing I’m not sure when it would be good to do so
unkempt bolt
my issue with the bloodflare suggestion is that bloodflare weapons are a decent chunk of the viable weapons available at that tier
so making them gimmicky would make that annoying
obviously there are non-bloodflare weapons available
gusty geode
I'm casual as shit so I value being interesting over being viable personally
Then again I have no idea what I'm talking about when it comes to balance
unkempt bolt
calamity seems pretty invested on making lifesteal pretty ass
not unusable, just pretty ass
sinful violet
laughs in mana overloader
indigo fog
There's actually this sprite for a placeable rock in #sprite_submissions in the art server from a while ago
I wouldn't mind it being placeable
woeful ginkgo
here comes the Yharon nerf
indigo fog
What yharon nerf?
frail creek
Okay, I'm supposed to put suggestions in here for feedback first, right?
Nerf the Meteor Rain that Yharon fires when he spins in P2 in some way.
Yharon is excellent at being a "tough-but-fair" boss, where all of his attacks are brutal yet predictable...Except for this one. These meteors usually cover at least half of the arena, and if he spins in the middle, they can easily cover the entire arena. There's no way to tell where they are, either, since they move so quickly. Combine this with the speed required to avoid Yharon's other attacks, and these fireballs are essentially just luck. For comparison, they're faster than SCal's BH projectiles, and that's a fight where you're supposed to move slowly.
There are several ways this could be fixed, such as keeping them in a smaller area around where Yharon spins or giving some kind of warning about where exactly they are. I'd rather leave the exact solution to the devs, though.
For clarity, I'm not talking about the attack where Yharon moves horizontally and drops the fireballs in a line. That attack is at least predictable, since you can just stay away from the area where he used it. The spin fireballs go much further away, and that strategy doesn't apply to them.
woeful ginkgo
yup 100% gonna support this one
frail creek
I guess I should just post it, then? Not really sure how this works exactly.
indigo fog
yeah post it in #suggestions-voting
cyan lagoon
@ashen warren i don't think a "downvote" will work
gray nebula
br
ashen warren
Why not?
hollow shell
Just don't star the suggestion
gray nebula
the devs are the ones doing the voting
hollow shell
That's how you disagree
gray nebula
we don't care if you disagree 
but anyways if you disagree, the devs will probably disagree too
if you have a good reason to disagree of course
hollow shell
It's unlikely that a significant amount of people would miss a suggestion
Remember a whole 120 votes are required to get sent
cyan lagoon
also it would be hard to keep track of a like/dislike ratio
ashen warren
What if a suggestion gets more than 120 upvotes, but 400 disagree? You can't know that many more people disagree than Agree.
cyan lagoon
if dislikes makes -1 of the vote there's the group that spams dislike on every post
hollow shell
If the suggestion blows chunks then it'd get denied in the dev server
ashen warren
Same with upvoting
hollow shell
And significantly controversial suggestions like that usually don't get many stars in the first place
pulsar jay
downvotes are a stupid idea
hollow shell
pulsar jay
if you dislike a suggestion you need to have a good reason for it
ashen warren
The problem with only upvoting is that not agreeing is different than outright disagreeing.
pulsar jay
downvotes allow you to just dislike it and not give any reason why
or how to improve said suggestion
it's just going to start conflict
gray nebula
haha squid truly has bad opinions
pulsar jay
if you want to disagree, do it here
that's why there are no downvotes because you have to personally tell the person you disagree and why
hollow shell
I don't think downvotes are a terrible idea but I don't think they're needed
And yeah usually when a sugg has problems, people are pinged
gray nebula
yes do that
hollow shell
That could potentially get reduced if downvotes are allowed
pulsar jay
if someone disagrees, don't you want to know why?
how are you going to feel when you have a bunch of downvotes but nobody gives you any advice on what's wrong or how to improve it because they don't have to
hollow shell
oof
I was gonna say that the sugg is relatively valid and could stay
s'why I removed the exclamation
(I hope to god that wasn't removed by a moderator)
ashen warren
It wasn't
hollow shell
aight
woeful ginkgo
I guess my suggestion just died
or perhaps it has been ignored because vortex beater moment
woeful ginkgo
yeah I just wanted to see if it's getting denied or not
hollow shell
Voting period is 2 days
gray nebula
woeful ginkgo
so yeah it did got basically denied
ashen warren
Have patience instead of the impatience you’ve demonstrated in this channel for the past while 
woeful ginkgo
oh ok my bad I didn't understand for a second
gray nebula
🗿
woeful ginkgo
I'm literally brain dead
gray nebula
if it got denied it would have gotten a reaction
woeful ginkgo
and yeah I don't have patience for no hitting as well but i'll not go further into that one on this channel
pulsar jay
the mechworm from auric tesla armor should not consume a minion slot
hollow shell
Does it
frail mantle
as i said in clam talk:
making the AT mechworm free would probably be terror to code
i mean, just making the mechworm not die the moment anyone shits in its general direction already took several years
unkempt bolt
the vote system is inherently flawed because i have a strong incentive to not vote for something that has 69 votes
hollow shell
You're right
frosty dagger
If it does, you could have auric armor give you an extra minion slot (that it doesn't mention) that is immediately used for the mechaworm
frail mantle
that's what it already does
AT/God Slayer gives you its minion slots and then it gives you an extra minion slot that isn't mentioned in the set bonus or tooltip that is immediately used up by the Mechworm
queen sail
Speaking of extra minion slots used to create free summons I hereby accuse Godly Soul Artifact of false advertising
frosty dagger
So then isn't it free
hollow shell
s'just weird when you use mods like Summoner's Association and see that you're gettin a minion slot used up instantly
frail mantle
^
other than that it doesn't really affect anything
byeag i feel like GSA should get a tooltip that actually states what it does but i'm pretty sure that's been suggested before
ashen warren
Perhaps simply make that armor state that the mechworm takes up its own minion slot
ashen warren
It’s not exactly vivid clear at the moment, but yea I agree it wouldn’t help
radiant meadow
iirc GSA got its tooltip changed
hollow shell
Indeed
ashen warren
How so? I couldn’t see it on the wiki
sand umbra
yeah, GSA got a tooltip update after that was pointed out
because yeah, it gives you 8 minion slots...but then it also uses them up instantly because free 2-piece McNugget
hollow shell
mhm
It used to be "grants 8 minion slots" and now its "summons 2 sons of yharon"
Its function never changed but the tooltip is a lot less misleading now
hallow kraken
wonder which loser suggested that to change
pulsar jay
it doesn't give you an unseen minion slot actully
auric tesla's set bonus gives you an extra slot to add on to the 7
but then the worm eats THAT one
also what the fuck else yould you have put in those 8 minion slots other than sons
if you're a summoner you already have enough base slots for immaterializer
lost agate
People use mechworm on scal
pulsar jay
why would you do that
pulsar jay
instead of that, that should be a free slot
frail mantle
But why
pulsar jay
add another one for the mechworm t take
i'm literally 1 slot off from having 4 sons of yharon and endo cooper and a immaterializer even though i should have that slot
radiant meadow
that would mess with current balancing
pulsar jay
it's a set bonus minion, if you want to give me 8 slots give me 8 slots
radiant meadow
an arbitrarily added extra minion slot
and the +1 minion from the set bonus is inherited from tarragon set bonus btw
the mechworm is inherited from god slayer
frail mantle
I can understand it if you mean changing the tooltip to not mention the mechworm slot because it’s kinda misleading but making the GS/AT mechworm not take up a slot is just more work for no real reason
radiant meadow
on top of re-balancing for no reason
pulsar jay
it doesn't need to do that
just add another minion slot that isn't mentioned and put the mechworm there, leaving the current +1 minion to actually exist freely
frail mantle
But it does already exist
As Ben said, the extra +1 minion slot from the set bonus is from the Tarragon set
pulsar jay
also does the profaned soul artifact not work with auric tesla? i unequipped it and didn't lose a slot
that terragon set bonus slot is what the mechworm is using
it's not using it's own hidden slit
slot*
frail mantle
Pretty sure it’s not
pulsar jay
exactly, it's not
frail mantle
No I mean the +1 slot in the tooltip isn’t vored by the mechworm
pulsar jay
it is
i did the calculations, i would have 32 base slots if that was the case, not 31
but maybe not
actually
because i just noticed
my fucking profaned soul artifact
isn't giving me a slot
sand umbra
PSA doesn't give you a slot, correct
pulsar jay
idk man it's not like auric tesla has terragon IN the recipe or anything like that
pulsar jay
pulsar jay
ok so either psa is broke or auric tesla is broke
wait
it has to be psa that is broke
i have the offensive guardian
just not the slot
what the fuck is happening
frail mantle
Try getting hit to see if you lose a slot
hollow shell
That's not a thing anymore
pulsar jay
getting hit doesn't take it
frail mantle
If you don’t, psa broke
pulsar jay
i took it off to test
hollow shell
You can no longer... wait
hollow shell
Yeah Burnt Out doesn't get rid of the minion slot anymore
because that was very annoying and buggy
radiant meadow
also
why are we "fixing" auric tesla but not god slayer?
it's literally the same thing
mechworm using a slot is intentional
indigo fog
Give the Fin Wings an alternative way to be obtained, similar to other quest items.
Reason: The only way to obtain Fin Wings currently is through a 1.4% chance after each fishing quest you do after you've already done 10 fishing quests in Hardmode. While the chances for Fin Wings double after 50 fishing quests have been done, that's still a very low chance and I shouldn't have to do more than 50 quests for this anyway. You probably won't even do the 10 angler quests because that is already way too long compared to how long it takes to get the other wings at that tier. And knowing that you have to wait a full in-game day for another quest, and cosmolight doesn't reset the quest timer, you'll probably obtain some legendary drops faster than you would obtain this.
Most of the Angler's useful items have alternative ways to be obtained and I believe Fin Wings could use an alternative too. The only other items you can only get from fishing quests are the Fish Hook, which isn't even as good as the Ivy Whip, the Fuzzy Carrot which gives you a mount that isn't really helpful at all for anything, and decorative/vanity items. All of those don't really need an alternative way to be obtained because they are pretty forgettable and useless anyway. Everything else you can get from the Angler is obtainable outside of fishing quests and it's probably because the quests take way too long to do and those items need some easier way to be obtained.
The point I'm trying to make here is that currently Fin Wings are just the worst to obtain which only encourages you to get a different pair of wings because otherwise you're gonna be doing angler quests for the next few hours at least. This shouldn't be so hard to obtain and knowing that no other pair of wings take this long to get, I can't see any reason for why its requirement should stay as it is.
radiant meadow
fuzzy carrot is guarantee, so it doesn't need anything
indigo fog
yeah i know
indigo fog
They wouldn't be as good at that point
radiant meadow
don't they give like some really good buffs?
indigo fog
Aren't bat and mothron wings better for that point?
I'd rather have them be fished or obtained rarely through crates so i can get them easier early-hardmode
indigo fog
Yeah but I still think they're better
Fin Wings only benefit mobility outside of water
radiant meadow
perhaps, I honestly don't know
indigo fog
should I suggest it?
radiant meadow
fish hook could be added to DS drop pool
sand umbra
Fin Wings give some mighty boosts
in exchange for being a nightmare to get because the Angler's such a little prick
indigo fog
If the boosts are too much for early-Hardmode then they could at least be locked a bit further in progression maybe
but i'm not exactly sure if it's too much for early-Hardmode or not
sand umbra
a more guaranteed way to get them would definitely need to be later in progression
queen delta
Perhaps a rare drop from ocean enemies post-calamitas
indigo fog
that can work too
sand umbra
can agree
queen delta
Yeah same
indigo fog
They aren't suggesting an upgrade to the potion. They're suggesting for it to be stronger as you progress like warding accessories
civic pond
not exactly sure how scaling pots would work and i definitely worded that wrong
hollow shell
I think having an Ironskin upgrade potion would be less awkward and make more sense than Ironskin just getting better as the game progresses
hallow kraken
Gotta agree with that
indigo fog
uh you gotta add a reason for that
hollow shell
@narrow sorrel Don't use the word "also" at the beginning of a suggestion. They should be able to stand on their own.
And yes, add a reason please
indigo fog
also the ironskin potion suggestion could use a reason too
hollow idol
Just call it old auric aka ancient auric smh, that already looks like Yharim and is more likely to be implemented than an entirely new thing
hallow kraken
just add every old sprite ancient armor before the children start begging for it
hollow idol
- The old auric helmet sprite is pretty iconic could be a reason
Godslayer and auric helm are the only ones ive ever seen being begged for
hallow kraken
*yet
narrow sorrel
does the reason i added make sense
hollow idol
Because auric, demonshade, and godslayer are the most iconic armors in the mod that most people know about
hollow shell
You're justifying why Yharon should be the one to drop the helmet but you don't give much reason for why the helmet should exist
narrow sorrel
@hollow shell ah fair point
so saying that yharims helmet is practically iconic would be a valid enough reason, right?
hollow shell
You could say that
hollow idol
this is why ancient auric better iirc
hallow kraken
I mean, unlike godslayer, modern auric looks pretty similar to old auric, really only the helmet has a big difference
hollow idol
well we are discussing a helmet here so
hallow kraken
cool
hollow idol
crab summon is planned from what i've heard
languid dock
Oh nice
hollow idol
dont take my word for it tho
hallow kraken
Crab has less drops than most bosses?
radiant meadow
crab drops 5 weapons
mycoroot, shroomerang, mycelial claws, fungicide, and hyphae rod
hallow kraken
That’s a pretty large amount
hollow idol
pbg and her 4 ranged drops
radiant meadow
pbg gets more drops next update
languid dock
Yea like hive mind drops 7 plus an accessory
hallow kraken
calam SoE will probably not happen, also reason needed
hollow shell
@sage granite You might wanna reword to emphasize that the non-consumable summons is the main point
Not the other things you describe
hollow shell
Also removing boss summons from chests and making the recipes harder would be very difficult and/or pointless considering Arma can be toggled on or off at any time
and yes
radiant meadow
also, the extra fluff of removing it from chests sounds like a massive pain in the ass
hollow shell
@sudden elk Add a reason
(it'd need to be a pretty frickin good reason cuz that sugg sounds insane)
radiant meadow
and yes, be wary about assumptions about upcoming content (regarding the crab summon mentioned earlier)
someone once thought squirrel squire was going to be a sentry 
sage granite
I guess so
gusty geode
"There aren't any pre-hardmode sentries at all"
Sad DD2 noises
radiant meadow
I'll tell you what
there is a planned prehardmode sentry next update, but no, it's not crab related
along with lots of other summoner related content
when will next update be? idk lol
hollow shell
eokk can you try to acknowledge how much of a balancing nightmare that would be
There's a reason why the Apotheosis & Friends mod (which adds pretty much what you're describing) is a joke mod
hallow kraken
It would remove the downside of every accessory produced by having limited slots
karmic stone
This is advanced QoL
frosty dagger
Remember the ol vannila days where only WoF, plant, golem, and ml could directly drop weps
frosty dagger
I personally feel like there are way to many boss drops
Most of the weps you will use comes directly from bosses removing alot of the farming in the game
I think that farming is one of the things Terrarria does best, but all this QoL removes that, it doesnt even feel like grinding most of the time
I actually find farming quite enjoyable
Also, we need a reason for OOA. There is currently almost no reason to do it in vannila and Calamity makes that worse
We need a OOA expansion, basically everything else has one
Hell, there was even a granite expansion
ashen warren
Hell expansion
sudden elk
living tree expansion
frosty dagger
This is probably blue check, but: an Old Ones Army expansion.
Currently, there is almost no reason it do it in Vannila, and Calamity only makes this worse. Calamity expands on almost every aspect of the game and even things like that granite biome, yet OOA remains entirely ignored. It's a shame to since OOA is very unique in Terrarria and can be done multiple times in a playthrough while gaining new challenges along the way. However as it stands right now, there is almost nothing that can be gained from it and thus no reason to do it.
There is brimstone crag, that's hell expansion
Also flame geysers and unique drops
ashen warren
I know
I was being a bit memey because your sentence had “hell” and “expansion” in it
Honestly I’d like to advocate for making multiclass viable in general
frosty dagger
Dual classing at the same time will always be weaker than just one (unless summoner) because it splits your accessory/armor and you can only use one wep at a time.
ashen warren
Can u just bold out the suggestion
ashen warren
I accept that multiclass should be weaker, as a tradeoff for the versatility of two or more classes. As it is now, options for multiclass armor are... sparse.
frosty dagger
Not much versatility to be gained in the first place
sleek wadi
A way to summon Betsy alone outside of OOA would be wonderful.
ashen warren
Szeth why the fk cant u just bold out ur suggestion
sudden elk
betsy egg
ashen warren
Because it’s already separated
i know but it still looks ugly af
if u dont bold it out
The sugg isn’t supposed to look pretty
sudden elk
cool
ashen warren
Welp, you finna stand it today
ashen warren
i didnt say others arent big deals
i feel like fucking cutting their throats when they dont bold it
frosty dagger
frosty dagger
Wow
ashen warren
And after saying all these ur still not gonna bold it
frosty dagger
I was surprised not to see that in frequent sugs
hollow shell
Thunstic please.
ashen warren
ty
OOA just so oddly forgettable. I think the pillars would be equally as much so if they weren’t required for progression
frosty dagger
^
ashen warren
(Also if I was Szeth in this moment I specifically would not bold it because of thunstic)
sleek wadi
The gear is only really useful for summoners/hybrids(which are heavily discouraged) and the event was precision designed to be unfarmable. Add in long wait times between waves and having a 2nd lose condition and there's a reason no one touches that thing.
frosty dagger
I would rather the toxic not continue
uneven spoke
its kinda a shame because i think some of the items you get from OOA are some of the most fun in the game
frosty dagger
For no go reason
sudden elk
i think frost legion should get some more attention
ashen warren
Fair
uneven spoke
and even though you never get the sets sold by the bar tender dude its still nice vanity 
ashen warren
To Szeth, not to Eok. Frost Legion is
uneven spoke
legion is v obnoxious ye
pulsar jay
ooa is mega unbalanced
ooa3 is meant to be post golem but if you look at the guides nearly nobody tackles it until post ml
ashen warren
Overhaul kept trying to spawn Frost Legion on me and every time I used Fargo’s mod to cancel it
pulsar jay
and that's when the gear it gives is irrelevant
ashen warren
That’a true
And yet the armor you get is typically worse than your pre ML class set
frosty dagger
How bout also reducing the amount of time between waves post ml
sleek wadi
How about reducing the time between waves upon first clear.
frosty dagger
Yes
ashen warren
I am not sure I’d go for that actually
frosty dagger
Is that good wording
ashen warren
A typo is what it was
frosty dagger
Why wouldn't you like that
ashen warren
Actually, I had some facts wrong. Take it back, that sounds good
frosty dagger
I've decided the second part makes it unessissarily complicated
ashen warren
What’a “the second part”?
frosty dagger
Reducing the time between phases after first clear of that phase
That's a thing for a different sug
I will probably do that later
loud steeple
I have to agree with Jace that some of the weapons are really fun,just most of them kinda suck aside from some of Betsy drops
ashen warren
And by some you mean those that aren’t melee.
Betsy’s melee drops are 
hollow shell
Cuz if the weapons were good then people would complain about powercreep
tired haven
Well, nobody complains about powercreep when talking about aerial bane
There are concerns for how broken powerful that thing is, though
whole ranger existence is powercreep ig
queen sail
people would complain about powercreep
That didn’t stop them from making the alternate hm ore armor sets, did it
hollow shell
Well yeah that's what I'm talking about
People did complain about powercreep
and DD2 content is the most recent major content added
so they wanted it to not happen with that content
.... maybe
Lets hope 1.4 unfucks everything
tired haven
I would hope but then they show prehm daedalus and all my hope had disintegrated
lost agate
If they wanted to prevent powercreep then they failed with aerial bane
So probably just vanilla balance being wack
Not to mention the armors
sand umbra
valhalla knight but take a drink for every time the obscene life regen says no when you're about to die
fastest way to get wasted off your ass
lost agate
If they wanted to prevent powercreep, they kind of did it late and not that well
sand umbra
Spectre armor moment
sand umbra
tired haven
Someone please come up with a narratively appealing reason to why rod of discord is limited by the bosses
Would make everyone's life easier in current circumstances
plush karma
tired haven
Nah, I mean like, flavor explanation
Literal one is known: op for bosses
weary walrus
simple answer: make the player suffer
but tbh for nohit-er this can be real pain in the butt
tired haven
Instruction unclear, made rod drop with 1 in a million chance
(suffering can be different is what i lead to there)
fast helm
Oh hey ANOTHER ONE
weary walrus
remove its crafting recipe as well if you plan on doing that
fast helm
Hasn't this been existing for like a year now
weary walrus
what exist?
fast helm
First everybody was pestering for RoD nerfs during boss battles so they nerfed RoD (apparently) and then they pester for RoD nerf only for boss fights
tired haven
not a dev anyway so uh no
Thing is: without a recipe rod is too rare to be properly balanced
Giving it a recipe gives a decent reasoning to tone down its' effects
(but not big enough, as seen by community backlash)
fast helm
Idk man I don't think people have a high enough IQ to dodge attacks with RoD during boss battles
They just focus on dealing damage
But not TOO much damage because damage cap!!!
tired haven
damage cap?
weary walrus
that exists?
tired haven
Oldest one I remember died out like 1.5 years ago
fast helm
The endgame bosses
wooden wedge
I don't think that you need any amount of IQ to press 2 on your keyboard then press left click
tired haven
Mmm, that's anti-butcher mechanics for lategame bosses
Also you can't usually reach them with base game gear regardless
wooden wedge
What
fast helm
H is the heal hotkey
wooden wedge
No I mean what as in what
Because I don't understand how you went from damage cap to dealing damage in 2 seconds
fast helm
Basically, unless you're like really good at terraria or something, you probably won't be switching to RoD
wooden wedge
You don't need to be good at the game to use RoD
weary walrus
isn't that like what normal people should do when they need to dodge an 300+ damage laser in vanilla?
wooden wedge
Lies
fast helm
Actually they don't
wooden wedge
I'm shit at the game and I can RoD
fast helm
it's called WALL
tired haven
Normal people would have done that but they aint farm rod for 20 hours 
fast helm
i don't like farming
wooden wedge
Here's my answer to why: it's a hoykey to pull it out then click where you want to teleport
No skill at all
fast helm
Time to switch topic
weary walrus
fast helm
Is it just me or are item descriptions REALLY REALLY LONG
fast helm
Maybe so
wooden wedge
Not random ass questions
wooden wedge
Cool
sand umbra
Someone please come up with a narratively appealing reason to why rod of discord is limited by the bosses
Would make everyone's life easier in current circumstances
I so badly want to just throw EE's full backstory for RoD at you because it's literally the best explanation I have
complete with flavor text for tooltip
tired haven
Just do it in the DMs then
Or is it private? 
sand umbra
it's moreso "I have no idea how much of it can be applied outside of EE's context" 
but. to put it simply
the gist of what I came up with for why it stresses further when bossing is because, in the presence of powerful beings, it has to draw a much greater amount of power from the space around it and from the wielder in order to ensure the teleport is not intercepted
this singlehandedly explains both a longer Chaos State proc and a greater health drain if RoD-ing under Chaos State
both of which are a thing in EE I wanted to keep this a secret for so long but I gave up once the RoD nerfs here started happening
tired haven
Wew
Yeah that's reasonable enough even outside of EE's concepts imho
sand umbra
tired haven
One thing that is missing for calamity specifically is the lock of actual teleport ability during chaos state instead of health drain but that's just details
sand umbra
Chaos State outright locking the teleport is kinda wacky imo but I don't call the shots here so lole
tired haven
byeah
pulsar jay
there are times where that's good and times where that sucks ass
i play with frame skip off
nothing more annoying than thinking there's one second until you can rod only for you to kill yourself because 1 second actually is like 3 without frame skip
pulsar jay
also nothing more than having chaos state and needing to avoid something that would be way worse, only to be unable to do so at all
sage granite
Gonna ask again incase someone knows, My summons keep running off screen of wall passing offtscreen in the same direction constantly and keep repeating to me then running off again, Any ideas ?
quiet abyss
(Not the right chat to ask this, but that's most likely your summons detecting an enemy offscreen, running off to attack it, then reaching the maximum distance they can go and being teleported back before they can attack/kill the enemy. And the process keeps repeating)
tepid root
Make the DPS meter count DoTs.
❔ : Some calamity weapons, such as the lionfish and the shellfish staff, use DoTs as their main damage source and therefore can't really be tested accurately using the DPS meter. I think this addition would generally be nice to have and would help in testing stuff. It wouldn't only help for testing only the listed weapons, but also help in testing any other weapon that uses DoT debuffs.
e?
frail mantle
Shellfish staff is kinda m because it always deals a set DoT, so you'll always know how much DPS it has
though for Lionfish and shit it makes sense ye
tepid root
i mean multiclassing with forbidden exists
and is actually kinda underrated because forbidden and shellfish is pretty gud
byeah i think ill just put it in #suggestions-voting
oops found a bad wording
"It wouldn't only help for testing only"
weary walrus
indeed
karmic stone
I mean it would also make sense for fire to spread trough enemies like that
indigo fog
So your only reason is for realism?
Balance is more important than realism
but i'm not exactly sure what turning plague into fargo's lead enchantment would be capable of
tired haven
Not much ig
Boss worms are immune to debuffs, most other bosses are single, and mobs weren't a concern in first place
gray nebula
"it would make sense"
incredible reasoning iirc
it would make the plague weapons a lot more annoying to use
tired haven
I can imagine it was like imagining "bat to slime to you" or smth
tired haven
Yeah, you should do so
(and also preferably expand on reasoning)
ashen warren
Then poison and venom should be spread as well
worn salmon
got it
zealous ridge
uh, not really?
indigo fog
Do they all need to be though?
zealous ridge
poison and venom wouldnt really spread
ashen warren
Just make everything spread
ashen warren
Lole
tepid root
lead enchant moment
tired haven
what isn't busted on poor worm tbh heh
queen sail
They made destroyer immune to debuffs for a reason you memers
sand umbra
isn't the idea of spreading debuffs early-game the exact reason Lead Enchantment was actually stupid against Maso EoW for the longest time
zealous ridge
yes
tired haven
Okay okay, we gotcha
Also it still remains stupid iirc
tired haven
It is
zealous ridge
but we're not talking about early game lmao we're talking about at LEAST post mech, considering elemental mix on AotA
but we're not talking about early game lmao we're talking about at LEAST post mech, considering elemental mix on AotA
and honestly i wouldnt be opposed to it
but at the same time, lead enchantment
indigo fog
Biome blade also inflicts plague in the jungle
sand umbra
didn't Ele Mix on AotA die
indigo fog
what are you talking about
worn salmon
i uh
sand umbra
I was told it was being removed from all the Arks before Elements 
worn salmon
i edited my post for clarity
zealous ridge
why tho
sand umbra
(related to a similar plan I had in EE server which is where it was explained to me)
zealous ridge
why remove that from aota
the debuff was honestly the interesting part
for me, at least
otherwise its literally just aeons eternity but """calamity's"""
sand umbra
I wonder what would possess the devs to remove Ele Mix from a post-1-Mech weapon that can actually inflict most of its debuffs due to placement, yes
tired haven
Wiki is just outdated i think, pulled out weps and only aote did inflict mix
sand umbra
zealous ridge
tired haven
190 health per second DoT combo surely isn't as powerful as 125 in prehm but yknow
sand umbra
also, even if it wasn't overpowered
it isn't exactly thematically appropriate for Ancients or True Ancients to inflict a debuff generally reserved for Elemental set weapons and beyond
tepid root
sand umbra
Calamitas' Brew post-QB is. another topic entirely
zealous ridge
does it still inflict holy flames, at the very least?
zealous ridge
god i hope
if ele mix was getting that much damage i can understand
but i liked the debuff aspect of it
frail mantle
nohit sugmas are kinda iffy
tired haven
No, seems to be debuff-less
true ark has... cursed flames?
frail mantle
nohitters are a very small part of the community, so basing your reasoning around them is kinda h
indigo fog
Hasn't slime god projectiles despawning when SG despawns been suggested like 5 times before
zealous ridge
yes
indigo fog
also if you're nohitting then can't you use cheat sheet to despawn all projectiles when you die
that's what i did
tired haven
Ah, good old "am nohitting so this shit is broken"
Not denying I followed the same scheme back then, though
frail mantle
change the nohit part to it's annoying when you're trying to arma farm, i'd say
sand umbra
SG projectiles despawning when SG does has been sugged like
a dozen times in the past
it's never happened, idfk why
indigo fog
that's what i just said
wooden wedge
I didn't see it
indigo fog
nohitting can't be your reason because of that
radiant meadow
ark and true ark have holy flames on true melee hits
the green terra stars inflict cursed flames
the beams inflict nothing
@zealous ridge @tired haven
tired haven
imagine hitting by blade of projectile spam sword I see
sand umbra
AotA is dead
indigo fog
so should the wiki change then
radiant meadow
yes
because iti s outdated
it's one of various obscure things I happened to do in the latest update
zealous ridge
sweet
radiant meadow
more often than not, if there is a discontinuity between in game and the wiki, the wiki is simply outdated and requires an update
worthy fiber
(if you're on the latest version, of course)
queen delta
Make enraged Golem more threatening.
As he stands right now, it’s much easier to fight Golem outside the temple than inside the temple, even if he enrages outside it. At the surface, the fireballs have nothing to bounce on, and everything else can be dodged by running in one direction, even the head. Because of this, there’s no reason to make an arena in the temple since you can just actuate the blocks beneath the altar and fight it on the surface with an already-existing arena. Here are some ideas of how to make enraged Golem actually more threatening:
- Lasers shot from body/attached head now have spread again. Because of the extra space from being in surface, lasers having spread is justified.
- The detached head remains invincible. As soon as the head dies, the Golem is a sitting duck, but only when enraged. His lone body poses more of a threat in the temple than when enraged, which doesn’t make sense.
- Significantly higher jump speed that scales with player height (like King Slime). The player is very likely to stand on a platform above Golem and just keep running. Higher jump speed would be more threatening towards this strategy.
Thoughts?
zealous ridge
hnm
weary walrus
Good ideas and reasoning
weary walrus
Yeah
zealous ridge
do you mean the body being less threatening or how the body is more threatening in the temple?
like which one of those doesnt make sense
weary walrus
The whole thing "his body poses more of a threat in the temple than when enraged" is "it"
Wait
Fixed
zealous ridge
weary walrus
Sorry can't type fast on phone
queen delta
Yeah what 3rd eye said
Hes more threatening in the temple cuz of the space constraints
Outside of that, you can just run in one direction and it’ll just be a sitting duck
fervent citrus
Huh, thanks for the tip >:3
indigo fog
Why should rogue have 4 pillars?
thorny bay
idk
hallow kraken
Ignoring all the other post LC stuff that doesn’t involve meld of course
indigo fog
while all of the others get 1
frosty dagger
Also, specify that is should be rarer from all enimies
thorny bay
it would just be wierd if nebula both supported magic and rogue
karmic stone
If only one pillar can drop the Meld blob for the Xeroc gear, it just leaves the other pillars into the dust.
Why would every class go for nebula because of Meld bars and dont touch the other 3
Also make your sugg one post lole
hollow shell
It doesn't "leave all the other pillars in the dust" because Meld gear is primarily Rogue class
Also nah he doesn't have to, reactions're fixed
sand umbra
Meld gear is primarily classless in an ideal scenario
thorny bay
idk
frosty dagger
Why do you want this
thorny bay
(fargo mod)
hollow shell
Xeroc Armor is definitely rogue at least
hollow shell
wdym
sand umbra
fun fact: Xeroc armor used to be classless
hallow kraken
It’s weird how you say that all the other pillars are left out because of meld
thorny bay
but for certain, it makes a bit of sense
frosty dagger
I agree that nebula shouldn't carry two classes, and why nebula
frosty dagger
If it isn't a rarer drop though it would be so busted
thorny bay
yeah
hollow shell
Meld Blobs should not drop from Moon Lord
thorny bay
yeah
hollow shell
because that would give Rogue less weapons and equipment for Moon Lord
frosty dagger
I agree, only pillars and deus
hollow shell
You should reword the reason in your suggestion cuz missing out on an extra three or four non-rogue weapons that Meld Bars can create hardly leaves you in the dust
frosty dagger
- Meld blobs should be a rarer drops from all enimies
- Idk, that's the only issue I can think of
frosty dagger
What your sug says is that after lunar events you have virtually infinate meld blobs after one lunar event
Unless you are making pitchforks, then you will still need to do it a bunch
hollow shell
what
frosty dagger
If it's the same drop rate from all pillars you will have more than enough for the entire game
As it is the nebula pillar now
hollow shell
I mean, sure the drop rates can be reduced
frosty dagger
But that's not what the sug says, and I interprete it as all the pillars get the nebulas drop rates, and since I do others probably do as well, and are less likely to star it because that would be broken.
hollow shell
bruh
frosty dagger
If he doesn't want to change that though he doesn't have to
hollow shell
@thorny bay You could add as a side-note that the drop rate should be reduced to compensate for the amount of enemies it'll be dropping from
indigo fog
scal pet isnt expert only though
gray nebula
why should it be expert only
indigo fog
but yeah why do we need this
hollow shell
It sure is.
hollow shell
But you can only obtain it if Expert is enabled 
mint steppe
One who does the impossible should be rewarded for all the pain.
hollow shell
You know that Expert is not the highest difficulty, right?
tepid root
ok..
gray nebula
mint steppe
Yes, but it's not that hard.
gray nebula
br
woeful ginkgo
what?
gray nebula
hollow shell
Death Mode is harder than Expert Mode, agergo
tepid root
peepoweird
indigo fog
Expert = impossible
Death = not that hard
hollow shell
woeful ginkgo
:BrainDamage:
gray nebula
hollow shell
The difficulty progression goes like this:
Normal --> Expert --> Revengeance --> Death
gray nebula
normal only playthrough or you're not a gamer
sand umbra
...how are there people that think Rev and Death don't imply Expert still
tired haven
sand umbra
you need to have Revengeance Mode active to activate Death Mode
you need to have Expert Mode active to activate Revengeance Mode
so extensibly, you need to have Expert Mode active to active Death Mode
anywho [[Levi]]
red stormBOT
frosty dagger
I think y'all are being ignored
tired haven
Actually I think that this is enough sarcasm for today
hollow shell
He was typin
tepid root
yea
sand umbra
well, let them speak
hollow shell
... if he's coming back
sand umbra
just figured I'd clarify something that appeared to be misunderstood
hollow shell
Yeah he's clearly new here
frosty dagger
@mint steppe
sand umbra
there's probably something to be said here about people that make sugmas about the mod before knowing a sufficient amount about it
but that's just a general thing that irks me and isn't targeted towards this person specifically
tired haven
indeed but managing who is "experienced enough" for suggestions channel is worse, sadly
sand umbra
not saying it should be enforced or anything
gray nebula
add him to the list 
hollow shell
He's trying to type, iunno what's goin on
frosty dagger
It shouldn't be enforced, but those who don't have extensive knowledge of the mod or at least the topic in particular shouldn't make sugs about it
sand umbra
I'll be quiet
maybe it's me being intimidating with my usual grumpy self in regards to sugmas 
tired haven
Usually most of the newer members learn with first suggestion, so that's not too much of a concern
hollow shell
who the fuck removed the exclamation point from that suggestion
hollow shell
also Amber's bot change makes it so the reaction can't be re-added
ashen warren
i can fix that
hollow shell
aight
ashen warren
check if reaction count is greater then 1, if so, yeet, else allow
hollow shell
ye, sounds good
frosty dagger
It strikes me as odd that there are over 50k members but I have seen less than mabey 200 names
hollow shell
There are indeed a lot of people here probably just to see the changelogs and get latest downloads
mint steppe
Here what need active: Armageddon, Revengeance Mode, Death Mode, Defiled Rune and Iron Heart
tired haven
Regular activity percentages, no wonder
hollow shell
That sounds quite silly, agergo
But hey it's actual proper difficulty this time
mint steppe
DAD mode?
hollow shell
Even though you probably looked that up just now
frosty dagger
And iron heart
hollow shell
That stands for Death, Armageddon, Defiled
sand umbra
Iron Heart is literally a meme and should not be treated as difficulty
mint steppe
CrabBar do the impossible.
sand umbra
just make it req a Hardcore char at that point
frosty dagger
Not even he can do DAD with iron heart
frosty dagger
Cheat sheet
robust lava
Iron Heart is already a meme, and then you add Armageddon to put it in clown fiesta mode
frosty dagger
Did you know, I had someone argue, a lot, that DAD with iron heart is possible
mint steppe
One who get this pet he become a God of Calamity.
gray nebula
no one will get it
frosty dagger
In the past not you agergo
indigo fog
wait why is the exclamation point red now
gray nebula
people will just cheat it in because it's not fun or anything to get
hot wind
what is the red !
hollow shell
I mean yeah sure that reason sounds fine
frosty dagger
Not a god, entirely inhuman
hollow shell
Red exclamation is only temporary
gray nebula
red exclamation point for very cringe suggs
hollow shell
no
gray nebula
tired haven
frosty dagger
Crab you have been biven a mission by agergo
hollow shell
@mint steppe Edit your suggestion to say DAD (Death Armageddon Defiled) instead of Expert Mode
Would be best if Iron Heart is left optional
Also, add in a reason, please. (And also don't speak in all caps.)
tired haven
Oh I have been given a mission by a lot of NPCs lately
frosty dagger
We believen't in you
tired haven
dw
gray nebula
weridchamp item suggestions
tired haven
So good that none of them are timed
hollow shell
It's not an SIS, which I am surprised by
gray nebula
not a SIS but might as well be one
hot wind
what is SIS??
frosty dagger
What does sis stand for
hollow shell
Specific Item Suggestion
As in, he didn't give it a name or describe what the pet would depict
If he did, that'd be against the rules
civic pond
why is exclamation red now, or is that just discord being weird
hollow shell
It's only temporary
karmic stone
Grey stopped existing
hollow shell
cuz of bot weirdness
hollow shell
@mint steppe If you could do those other edits I told you to do, I would appreciate that.
frosty dagger
I want to make a wep called meme, that does 99999999999999999 damage at the cost of 99999999999999999 Mana and silver casings per shot, and it drops from every slime
hollow shell
Yeah exactly
gray nebula
that suggestion is really weirdchalmmp,
civic pond
but to
gray nebula
the reasoning is unexistent,,
civic pond
DAD mode
gray nebula
and yeah the general wording could really be better
frosty dagger
The reasoning is between the lines, this is a joke
sand umbra
personally I'm getting tired of people just constantly pushing for more difficulty and more rewards for only doing the highest difficulty
make Expert great again you clowns
tired haven
Instruction unclear, added satiety system in deathmode
tired haven
Thing with overtuning rev/death is that changing expert is considered cringe by majority of players so here you go
sand umbra
changing Expert is considered cringe by majority of players
tired haven
Or base game, in that case
frosty dagger
I can agree with that
fervent citrus
What does a red exclamation mark mean?
hollow shell
@mint steppe please.
I also told you to add a reason why.
sand umbra
hollow shell
(Red exlam is only temporary)
fervent citrus
Oh
queen delta
mfw people dont bother to scroll up
sand umbra
the base game, Expert in particular, is in dire need of actual content
and actual changes to most bosses
ashen warren
i'd say to pin a message but people wouldn't read that either
fervent citrus
What does it mean?
queen delta
Red exclamation was asked and explained like 3 times now
frosty dagger
If your gonna make a meme at least don't have it be low effort as well
mint steppe
A REWARD TO THAT IMPOSSIBLE.
hollow shell
Add it to the suggestion, please
frosty dagger
It's not impossible
hollow shell
And do not speak in all caps
indigo fog
honestly what would the dad mode post-scal pet even be
hollow shell
It'd be your dad
frosty dagger
And I know someone else who did something similar
tired haven
flying red exclamation mark
fervent citrus
Ok so red excalamation is for super cringe suggs, got it
gray nebula
the suggestion is still very weirdchamp
hollow shell
He'll fix it eventually
fervent citrus
Doesnt SCal already have a pet item?
frosty dagger
Two
gray nebula
stop getting like mega excited over THE ULTIMATE C HALLENGE (DAD MODE (DEATH ARMAGGEDON DEFILED)) ,,,
hollow shell
@mint steppe It shouldn't take you 5 minutes to edit a sentence into your suggestion.
I don't wanna keep pinging you, man
tired haven
Can we just, delete that suggestion already and reform it there (even if it goes nowhere)
hallow kraken
Rover definitely seems tired of dealing with these people, and there is no way I can blame him
mint steppe
What need edit?
hollow shell
Add a reason into your suggestion
indigo fog
you need a reason
hollow shell
(also grey exclamation is back, nice)
civic pond
tired haven
I think i broke bot but eh
split narwhal
There was a pet added to SCal literally last update
tired haven
Imagine ninja'ing a bot tbh
hollow shell
Thank you, agergo
This funky-ass suggestion can finally be released and get 0 stars
sand umbra
mfw [[Brimstone Jewel]] + [[Levi]] already exist
I'm not against the addition of more pets but like come on give other bosses some pet drops
red stormBOT
mint steppe
You are welcome.
split narwhal
If you want a pet you should donate for the mod
tired haven
scal secretly holds a full blown terrarium of these pets, come over and see
gray nebula
:\why:
plucky matrix
^
plucky matrix
Also that sounds cute actually, Crab
civic pond
a terrarium of tiny sepulchers burrowing in brimstone ashes
strong jacinth
sand umbra
One word is all it'll take to get you burnt to a fine crisp. Choose your response to me actually caring about something carefully.
ashen warren
@hollow shell now it only removes grey exclams if there's more than one why on earth there were 5 different methods with only one of them actually working is beyond me
hollow shell
Nice, thank you
radiant meadow
why would we add a death armageddon defiled exclusive pet?
unless someone donates for it?????
scal already drops 2 pets
pulsar jay
I'd pay money for the scal pet to become a chibi human when scal becomes human
also i can tell that dude is like 9
tired haven
pulsar jay
the angler is more mature than him
tired haven
Angler is like 1746 yo anyway
No young man can be as delightfully evil as that lad
pulsar jay
he's just pulling really trash pranks
hollow shell
You forget that he holds the keys to an achievement, awarded only after 200 quests
tawny gyro
(is this also the place for server suggs?)
(if so can we add the 
emoji but, like, crispier?)
hollow shell
You can post suggestions for this discord server in #suggestions-voting, yes.
You'd need to provide a decent reason for that though
tawny gyro
i have one on another server but i don't have premium (or nitro) ((or whatever's needed)) to sent the one i'm thinking of
radiant meadow
copy paste the emote link
hollow shell
is it this, perchance
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/458466640053403659.png
tawny gyro
wait, you need a reason to add an emoji?
radiant meadow
a reason would be nice
hollow shell
I have it in another server as well
radiant meadow
because Rover snagged it from dev
tawny gyro
ah
radiant meadow
hollow shell
And it's cuz we dislike jokes and memes in the suggestions channel so this is somewhat pushing it
even though all of the emojis are memes
tawny gyro
but like, how do you add a reason for an emoji at all
hollow shell
Well, why do you want it?
tawny gyro
"it describes the void i feel inside my heart perfectly"
lost agate
hallow kraken
I mean, the reason is the most important part of every sug
carmine spindle
pure dove
and the baby leviathan
pulsar jay
the brimstone jewel is obviously better
gusty grail
did i write this correctly so it wasnt a direct response?
fervent zealot
i mean considering if someone was able to do DAD Scal they probably aren't that far off from doing every other boss and getting a nohit role so yeah there's not much point
queen delta
Actually, deathmode yharon is a lot harder now
gusty grail
well yeah i guess lol shoulda thought of that
queen delta
Like, almost at par with scal
gusty grail
yeah yharon is worse
fervent zealot
i mean that's pretty fair but
queen delta
Especially on defiled
fervent zealot
if someone already had the patience to do DAD Scal i kinda get the feeling they're not the kind of person to give up so easily and would have the perseverence to do the rest of DADmode
gusty grail
honestly no hitting normally seems like a joke compared to dad
tho i have no experience with either
i guess joke is an exageration
frosty dagger
Chain sugs are a sug dont
gusty grail
its not a chain suggest
gusty grail
it stands on its own
frosty dagger
How is that now
gusty grail
thats how the rule works
frail mantle
it kinda is a chain sugg but not exactly
gusty grail
^
frosty dagger
Instead of a new drop for scal in DAD mode maybe a special message would be more fitting.
Bruh
frail mantle
mainly because of the Instead of a new drop for scal in DAD mode line
hollow shell
Do not refer to previous suggestions in your suggestion
It does not stand on its own
frosty dagger
You can do that sug in a couple days trollface
gusty grail
wati ima rewrite
hollow shell
The "Instead of..." intro only makes sense in the context of agergo's being right before
radiant meadow
I do not understand
frosty dagger
In the exact document the exaple says alternatively
Which is basically what you said
radiant meadow
why we need to "give something" to masochists doing death, defiled, armageddon
gusty grail
ima setup a reminder for a few days