It's good to keep it simple yeah but you prolly do wanna specify that it would be temporary blocks
#suggestions-discussion
brittle nexus
yea an ice rod is weird for a hell boss, even with the wizard stuff in there
pallid brook
"WoF too easy for advanced players a possible solution is to give him the ability to summon temporary obstacles"
hollow shell
Fix up the grammar a lil and that ought to be good...
well, it still uses the word "obstacles", which is a bit generic
daring cliff
"In Death Mode, give the Wall of Flesh an attack that creates Ice Rod's temporary blocks in the player's path, forcing them to navigate more dynamically during the fight instead of running in a straight line."
just use this from rover, his rendition of it was incredibly easy to understand
hollow shell
You could consider Leeches as "temporary obstacles"
brittle nexus
Yea that's a good format there
hollow shell
Dreamer that suggestion looks awful
brittle nexus
I wouldnt bother keeping in all the crossed out text honestly, if it's not really part of the sugg, then it just takes up lots of space
hollow shell
Remove everything that's crossed out and don't quote my entire message while just saying my name beforehand...
Just use the quoted bit as your own suggestion, it's fine
(and don't leave in the bits of me complaining about your specificity)
ashen warren
wall of flesh should spit brimstone fireballs
hollow shell
no
pallid brook
maybe?
brittle nexus
hollow shell
smh Dreamer you still included sentences directed at you
Literally just make your sugg this and nothing else:
In Death Mode, give the Wall of Flesh an attack that creates Ice Rod's temporary blocks in the player's path, forcing them to navigate more dynamically during the fight instead of running in a straight line.
pallid brook
You managed to translate that mess tho
brittle nexus
I'd also remove everything except the part starting at "in death mode.." as mentioning a previous version of the sugg can confuse people
pallid brook
Now I go back to tormenting Fargo with 10 min spaced cat facts
WoF sprays lava blocks to torment you after you kill it
hallow hatch
idk abt that suggestion @pallid brook
makes for more annoying arena mining
and it would be very unpredictable
I dont see why the WoF doesnt give enough challenge already
pallid brook
Gotta point to the one we are referencing, the ice blockade?
hallow hatch
yes
pallid brook
🤔 what if they were breakable with attacks
frail mantle
i'm assuming the blocks would be temporary, like the Ice Rod attacks
pallid brook
But a certain amount of attacks or a damage threshold. Also if you are playing summon class you are likely also gonna be using other weps
hallow hatch
no you arent.. summoner penalty
ig you could use aestheticus but that scales with damage buffs
dusty stirrup
That would make the fight even more annoying than it is already, especially considering how fast deathmode wall can go
hallow hatch
^^
brittle nexus
Pickaxe would prob be able to mine them
frail mantle
i mean the Marked Magnum and Aestheticus exist
hallow hatch
yes but not much damage
compared to actual weapons
either way it doesnt feel like a needed change
wall is good as it is
if you want a challenge with movement then make your own walls smh
frail mantle
also tbh Woffle is only really easy if you spend ages making an arena/use Cheat Sheet or tEdit to make the arena so you can just run in one direction
pallid brook
Then toss the damage thresh and base if off number of attacks if summon class is an issue
hallow hatch
my point
is ice walls would add a lot of grinding
to make an arena where you can dodge it
frail mantle
in most cases player-made arenas make the Waffle move enough up and down that you have to actually dodge the arena
hallow hatch
it takes a long time to make a WoF arena too
lost agate
how tf does one dodge an arena
dusty stirrup
I already hate making an arena for wof
dusty stirrup
You'd have to dodge the ice walls, shucks
lost agate
Ah
pallid brook
Ok I know what you mean but I cant get the image of the Waffle swing the arena as a wep
dusty stirrup
(also honestly ice walls aren't thematically fitting with WoF)
hallow hatch
that too
but walls in general arent a good way to add difficulty
it could seem cheap
frail mantle
you could make the wall thing only happen when you run for a while but i feel like the player should be rewarded for making a proper arena
hollow shell
Specified "Ice Rod's" because they already exist and would be relatively easy to program
frail mantle
also yea i meant the lasers, not the arena
hollow shell
but making fleshy temporary blocks is also possible
pallid brook
How bout it act like a liquid or cobwebs
hallow hatch
and at the speed you're moving at in deathmode, dodging would be difficult even if the attacks were separate
DM wall is too fast for an obstacle course
shell grotto
I’d keep the fight as is
dusty stirrup
Liquids would be really janky, cowebs would be even more annoying than walls
pallid brook
No their effect on player speed and movement
hallow hatch
noo
pallid brook
Not the actual blocks lol
pallid brook
don't hit the flesh webs
shell grotto
If anything, i’d say program the hungries to respawn from under the player, starting as non-attached enemies that get wrangled by WoF
dusty stirrup
So you want to give go-thro effects from liquid/webs to new blocks?
hallow hatch
just to clear things up, I'm not against adding new attacks, but they shouldnt be cheap
shell grotto
Then they are more aggressive
pallid brook
It also is kinda negated by the fact dashes exist
hallow hatch
no
shell grotto
That would be imbalanced even with a dash
hallow hatch
exactly
shell grotto
Speed and space win terraria fights
hallow hatch
its a cheap way to add difficulty
dusty stirrup
If you think they'd be negated by dashes, then what's the point of adding them anyway
shell grotto
Remove one of them and you are ****ed
hallow hatch
youre moving really goddam fast in DM WoF anyway, it'd be hard to dodge the wbes
dusty stirrup
They're be another annoyance to add to the already attention demanding WoF
hallow hatch
yea
idk it doesnt feel like a balanced suggestion
thematically it doesnt fit
and theres no strong basis for it
shell grotto
What if we had 3 walls, some being vertical limitations?
pallid brook
when you are playing with death mode, maso mode, fun mode and buddy leveled mod and still think he too slow
Vertical limitations... Hmmm
pallid brook
That actually sounds kinda plausable
shell grotto
Dodging lasers becomes harder, but you can still maintain high SPEED
pallid brook
And instead of killing off jumping it can be well spaced but still restricting
hallow hatch
these walls arent balanced, because if you slow down even a tiny bit youre fucked
vital marlin
i can see walls being annoying especially if you play <1080p
small talon
While yes, the suggestion makes logical sense but I think balance still needs to be kept so maybe just have it greatly reduced the damage from the geysers?
indigo fog
wait i thought the suggestion meant the On Fire debuff
yeah geysers are super easy to get around anyway because you can place solid blocks on top of lava
small talon
An idea could also be that if your effected with on fire it wouldn't do any damage if you had temporary lava immunity, but while effected the lava immunity bar drains at the same rate / slower and once it depletes it could start doing damage
That damage could also get optionally reduced but I'm just giving ideas
indigo fog
I think it should reduce the damage of it instead of just making you immune to it entirely
makes it way too easy to get around
bitter drift
add more use for the OOA and sentries in calamity in post ML and pre hard mode
this is a really big hole to fit so i will divide it up a little:
-
weapons: you can combine the traps and sentries to make a single weapon,
(or 2 separate weapons if you would like, one for the traps and the 2nd will be for the sentries)
or make completely new weapons that are sentries or traps. -
armor: allow for a post ML armor that buffs sentries as the sentries, we have can already go though all of the minion bosses poltergeist and providence as they are bosses who can be fought with little horizontal space even without a sentry set, such armor could be made to be balanced everywhere between post ML (boss) to post providence.
-
accessories: currently there are 4 accessories the entire game has to offer all from vanilla and all do the same thing, we can fix this problem by combining them with similar visually accessories or combine all 4 into 1 mega accessory in later stages, another thing we can do is to make new accessories for sentries or balance already existing accessories for summoner to help sentries as well.
reason: i think we can all agree that sentries are the most forgotten subclass in terraria period. in fact it is to my belief that the small amount of calamity sentries that already exist only exist because of developers that have their own weapon in the game reminding fabulos that this subclass still exist.
this additions to the game will also help with the linearity of the summoner class at large having more then one way to challenge the same boss.
as the entire of the summoner class in calamity terraria is just find the single weapon and spam it to kill the boss (biggest example being post golem to post ML having just 1 summon that take care of every boss even with the big variety we have)
distant gyro
sentries are garbage to balance
small talon
Oh another ooa suggestion
distant gyro
the end 
bitter drift
small talon
I'm not gonna give my opinion except for saying that ooa does need something but idk what
I'll let the devs decide
bitter drift
i have giving literally every option on the table lol
indigo fog
we're always on the topic of suggestions
bitter drift
@small talon you mean the only biome chest weapon without an upgrade?
small talon
Yes that
indigo fog
stardisk doesn't have one
bitter drift
yes this is just that bad
small talon
Also has half the dps of any post plant sentry
small talon
Needs a buff that or all the sentries around it need a nerf
bitter drift
i like the former lol
frail mantle
Post Golem OOA armor is like unironically god because Spikecrag and Hive Pod moment though
bitter drift
i tried using it
not enough defense for a post golem armor
120% score on attack F in defense
frail mantle
judging armor only by its defense moment
you're underestimating how strong sentries are
Spikechad was nerfed last update but i'm pretty sure it's still really good even without OOA gear
bitter drift
no it looked at it's attack as well
just i died in 3 hits wtf how can i kill something without the ability to survive
frail mantle
you can't expect every armor set to let you face tank everything and their grandmother
bitter drift
every armor allowed me to get hit at least 5 times except this guy
and this is in summoner btw
frail mantle
some armor sets give you Yes amounts of damage with the downside of making you not very tanky
don't judge an armor set just by how much it lets you face tank everything
gray nebula
wacky fact : frost hydra is getting an endothermic upgrade
and summoner linearity is getting fixed next update
featuring a lot, and I mean a LOT of summoner content
and sentries are stupid against post ml bosses
they're just too quick, so you'll end up ressummoning them constantly
invest in aura summons instead
ashen warren
breh
gray nebula
virgin sentries not following you around and needing to be ressummonned multiple times vs chad auras than will never let you go and scale with summon slots
ashen warren
gusty geode
I thought a dedicated Summoner update wasn't happening
As stated repeatedly by multiple team members iirc
hollow shell
It just kinda ended up happening because there were willing spriters and willing programmers
and by that I mean spriter singular and programmer singular :P
It really wasn't planned to have this much of em happen at once
gray nebula
it's not really a summoner update
the update will feature something a lot bigger
it's just a mini expansion
also yeah it wasn't planned but I enjoy spriting minions and dom enjoys coding em
radiant meadow
hey, I programmed a pair of summons too >:C
and tbh
it's not a dedicated summoner update
the main focus is still Acid Rain
hallow kraken
best news I’ve heard in a while
loud cloak
Um
lost agate
oh youre actually doing the frost hydra thing?
manic yew
i think rage could use a revamp
it kinda doesnt do much
and it takes a long time to charge with heart of darkness if you want it before a fight
on a similar note, the name for adrenaline doesn't make sense, although the mechanic is really good
split narwhal
Rage is currently better than adrenaline damage wise
manic yew
so here's my suggestion for a suggestion: rename adrenaline to something more fitting for avoiding getting hit, and then make adrenaline charge when you're under a certain HP threshold for a certain amount of time
i might also be stupid, thats a possibility
but i rarely can activate rage
split narwhal
Rage is pretty hard to build up, and the damage is worst than adrenaline, but at least it's consistent I suppose
manic yew
wait you just said it was better
hollow idol
@silk scarab suggestions to add entirely new classes are disallowed. Read the suggestions dont doc in this channel’s pins
silk scarab
It says to put it in a document and post that, but where would I post it?
hollow idol
- Any suggestions about adding a new boss, new biome, new event, or a new class.
Reason: These are very major features that require a very substantial amount of work in order to be implemented properly. The devs are already planning a great deal of content for the future, and suggested content on such a scale are almost guaranteed to conflict with those plans. Features as significant as these will likely originate from the devs themselves and not from public suggestions.
silk scarab
@hollow idol Ah alrighty. Gotcha
hollow idol
if the sug is for the sake of “It looks low quality pls resprite” then dont
proud tree
I understand the concern, the suggestion has more to do with consistency than the sprite itself @hollow idol
ashen warren
i wonder if the leviathans AI will change after the resprite because it would be really awkwards seeing a giant sea creature floating towards the player
gray nebula
yes
ashen warren
mosasaurs intensifies
gray nebula
I mean she has wings
and it's gameplay over logic
she will still fly around probably, but with different attacks
ashen warren
imagine if she would just go duke fishron on you
gray nebula
no,,,
we already have fishron 2 as yharon...,,
just wait till we get a fishron 3
calamity mod but fishron only
her current movement pattern is pretty original and changing it to be more similar to fishron would be uncool
gentle plinth
@sage granite yharons fight is now a cakewark thanks to logic
frail mantle
why
keen nebula
Yes. Yharon should spawn a bumblebirb every tick in p2 to make things just a little harder.
tawny gyro
i think it's weird that rouge gets no weapons from Slime God/purified gel
frail mantle
Gel Knives
frail mantle
what
tawny gyro
they changed it
frail mantle
oh wow
tawny gyro
you buy gel darts from bandit now and can't craft them
frail mantle
ignore me then
tawny gyro
i was surprised too cuz i just found out
even if we count darts as one, every other class has 2 weapons from this boss (and ranger has 3)
or maybe i shouldn't count corroslime and crimslime staves as 2?
idk
but i think slime god should drop a rogue weapon too
frail mantle
they're the same except different sprites so i wouldn't count them as two, no
tawny gyro
ight, so summoner needs a 2nd one too
actually, idea: combine both staves at a hellforge to make Slime Core Staff
tepid root
brittle nexus
nIGhTs EdGe EQuiVaLenT fOr SuMmOnER WHeN
woeful ginkgo
hallow kraken
every mod needs a nights edge variant for literally every class!1!!
woeful ginkgo
thorium be like
ashen warren
which is weird because I thought the Night’s Edge was supposed to be unique
ashen warren
Night’s edge gun
keen nebula
Nights edge Shortsword
ashen warren
Night’s stabber yay
keen nebula
Malaise / Artery + Amazon + Valor + Cascade
Omg Night's Sling!!!
Can we get 2 likes
ashen warren
Still be better than God’s Gambit was before the slime actually targeted enemies
keen nebula
Make sure to smash that like button, make kids with that subscribe button, and have a one-night stand with that bell
ashen warren
I’mma stop the banter here
zealous ridge
Change Rogue accessories with dedicated keybindings (momentum capacitor, sand cloak, spectral veil, plagued fuel pack) into tools similar to the Rod Of Discord
Why?
These items are actually really neat ways to utilize stealth, but they will always be limited by the fact that they take up accessory slots and require their own keybindings to even function. This problem could be fixed by making them more like "rogue tools", granting an effect when at a certain stealth level when used. This wouldn't change their balance too much, but would help make the items even more usable than they are currently.
? any opinions?
i feel it's a more elegant way to portray this mechanic
the only problem is that the ease of keybindings will be somewhat nullified
ashen warren
I think something like this was suggested recently, I could be wrong tho
frail mantle
don't think so
ashen warren
I think having both options would be nice
zealous ridge
ive talked about it before
ashen warren
As in, you could choose whether to use it in the hotbar or as an accessory
zealous ridge
but i havent fullon written a suggestion until like now
well, in that case you'd just always use the hotbar one
at least, i would
ashen warren
Not everyone would. Otherwise, there would be no hotkeys to begin with
zealous ridge
is this choosing between keybindings and hotbar?
ashen warren
That was the idea yea
zealous ridge
hmm
i would personally go one or the other
but tbf, there is value in keybindings
ooh
and we have to consider the implications of being able to use any of these without sacrificing an accessory slot
ashen warren
We also have to consider sacrificing dps to use them in the hotbar
ashen warren
Or perhaps just the inconvenience of having to scroll to it rather than just press a button, and how that can affect reaction times in the case of the cloaks (which iirc can do a teleport thing)
zealous ridge
spectral veil and plagued fuel pack have movement effects
sand cloak and momentum capacitor are defensive and offensive, respectively
ashen warren
Haven’t played Rogue since they were added so forgive me
zealous ridge
oh yeah me neither
i never saw the need to use momentum, though, even when it was available to me
radiant meadow
sand cloak is early game
so accessory slots are not highly competitive at that stage
zealous ridge
that is true
but that doesn't make it unrestrictive necessarily
i think having it be a usable item that consumes rogue stealth would be better overall, it would just honestly be weird if this specific item had a keybinding and was worn and the others were changed according to my sugg
plus, this opens up the opportunity for more rogue tools which i would love to see
but that's not something i'll go into detail with
idk if le devs will want to work on more of those tho
considering acid rain update
gray nebula
can you even animate worms
gray nebula
probably but at the same time it might be not worth the effort..,,,,,
like really all of the worm ennemies in terraria aren't animated
I don't really see the reason why dog should be animated
hollow idol
DoG is special and is arguably the most popular modded boss atm
ashen warren
arguably?
Why else would he be at the end of the boss rush if the poll didn’t suggest he was the most popular boss?
hollow idol
“modded” as in all mods that work
but either way hes high up + the cosmic bit on the tail feels weird not animated
zealous ridge
mine's good to post, then?
gusty geode
Are animated worms even possible
zealous ridge
idk
gusty geode
Huh
zealous ridge
isnt phantasmal dragon also animated
hollow idol
The tail flashed on and off
zealous ridge
couldve sworn the phantasmal dragon had some sort of bite attack
that might not be a sprite animation, more a physical one
night cradle
Phantasmal Dragon does indeed have a jaw opening anim
so yes it's possible theoretically
ashen warren
Wtf is phantasmal dragon
indigo fog
lunatic cultist minion
frail mantle
thing spawned if you fuck up the ritual during LC
ashen warren
lol
gray nebula
is a 2 frames swap comparable to an animation
because it might have been a texture swap thing and haha yes, time to save every frame of every segment as a separate file
proud tree
@hollow idol Sorry for not responding earlier, turns out the suggestion is being addressed already 😛
hollow idol
I forgot what sug you are speaking of
solemn flame
ech
proud tree
woops
wooden wedge
reword it
hallow kraken
See, the problem is that star cannon is supposed to be “balanced” by having a hard to grind ammo
Yet alch removes that downside
woeful ginkgo
resident sleeper still waiting for my suggestion to be delivered
brittle nexus
Yea, you spend time grinding stars that would have been time fighting the boss
That's kind of the balance there
hallow kraken
Alch is a different mod and the blame for star cannon being way too good isn’t on calamity
Then again, there’s also the star recipe with calamity
But that’s hm and you’ll probably have a better weapon by then
solemn flame
yea
teal ibex
alchemist npc is borderline cheating at this point with how much it lets you just... get
left crest
or maybe you wont tho
hallow kraken
alch bad
teal ibex
so yeah, tons of stuff just fundamentally breaks down due to it
hallow kraken
Also, no reason in cavern sug
solemn flame
alch op
brittle nexus
Alch npc is a mod that heavily reduces grind time for all bosses, and allows you to buy the best potions extremely easily
It's basically a mod that you pick and choose what is overdoing it
teal ibex
it lets you buy basically everything at this point. it used to be a potions mod
hallow kraken
but then it decided to add random bad memes
solemn flame
yes
teal ibex
now it's a mod that lets you just get anything
solemn flame
its broken
hallow kraken
staff of regrowth gang rise
solemn flame
haha yes
brittle nexus
Might as well cheat potions in at that point
solemn flame
teal ibex
you genuinely should, yes
you can make a profit off of buying silt
the only thing stopping you is time
gusty geode
The earthquake is a cool idea
But imo Star Cannon's balancing point is that Fallen Stars are (supposed to be) hard to get compared to most other ammo
sand umbra
yes
Star Cannon's entire balancing shtick revolves around the concept that Fallen Stars in pre-Hardmode are difficult to come by
if you have a cheaty mod installed like AlchNPCMeme, of course it's gonna seem busted
because you're actively bypassing the primary thing that makes it balanced
solemn flame
gusty geode
Hot take: QoL mods are anti-balance
sand umbra
ehhhh
it's a really hard thing to determine
so like
Calamity adds a recipe for Fallen Stars, right
however, that recipe is locked to Hardmode as it requires Stardust from the Astral Infection
by this point, the Star Cannon is already falling off in viability in favor of other more powerful options
even with the new way to obtain stars
gusty geode
K
So QoL is only balanced if it becomes available when you no longer need the item that's being opened up
sand umbra
...not quite?
Fallen Stars are really a unique case in and of themselves because of the Star Cannon
zealous ridge
its not that you won't need it anymore, it's just obtained later than the random method
sand umbra
but like. a QoL mod allowing you to easily get e.g. a Blood Moon, such as with Reduced Grinding's Blood Moon Medallion, or the Stationary Merchant who sells Traveling Merchant shit if he can snag it?
that's fine
fervent citrus
thank god the alchemist from alchNPC sells stars
sand umbra
because there's not a significant balancing adjustment caused by a good majority of those changes
it's primarily cases like Fallen Stars to the Star Cannon that it becomes actually problematic
(I like the idea of Fallen Stars being made more readily available early on for e.g. mages and summoners, don't get me wrong, but there's a weapon that literally gambles on the idea that Fallen Stars are hard to come by and tedious to farm en masse early in the game)
fervent citrus
Tru
tired haven
fun fact: beating vanilla with a single star cannon isn't a far-fetched reality
left crest
someone's killed ML with it iirc
frosty dagger
Crab beat moonlord with star cannon (only took 24 minutes), it already is a reality if your willing to grind for all the stars
left crest
wait yeah that was crab lole
indigo fog
Under frequently suggested
languid dock
oooops didnt see that just removed it sorry
ashen warren
gabe that sounds scary
mighty knot
@ashen warren might not be possible
since hair styles is a thing outside of terraria worlds
and I'm not sure mods can modify much about that
ashen warren
Hmm.. I kinda thought that was the case, but let's see if the developers or fabsol actually say its possible or not, but yeah that could really be the case.
@lunar lark supreme cal bad
shes far too underwhelming in death mode
providence makes me have a heart attack just by seeing her appear in death mode while scal doesnt.
so yes I agree
lunar lark
She's playing a very important role in the story of Calamity, so I thought that she was a bit underwhelming, so yeah
ashen warren
well shes not meant to be the strongest.
lore wise I understand why yharon is far harder then scal
Yharon is the loyal servant of yharim, yharim being the only person supreme calamitas has not defeated.
indigo fog
Suggestions for boss death animations similar too Moon Lord are under frequently suggested
potent veldt
Not even a servant, tbh
Yharon is more so Yharim's pet/bestfriend
Servant implies he's like, a slave of some sort
SCal is more of a servant than Yharon
ashen warren
yh
potent veldt
Also yeah, not sure if that last sugg is specific or not
Or if it's just, an eh idea
I'd rather fix SCal's difficulty instead of just adding an animation to her
And in all fairness, bruh, Scal literally gets an entire theme for her death
I'm pretty sure that's enough
ashen warren
i feel like supreme cal will get buffed when her human form is added
potent veldt
Probably
hollow shell
@carmine sphinx Add a reason to your earthquake suggestion
potent veldt
Hope she has a proper sprite for her dying, because I'll revolt if she don't
potent veldt
Deathmode underground is already treacherous lol
potent veldt
Also Im getting a strong sense that this earthquake suggestion is inspired solely from Thorium
hollow shell
Also Wispcream your suggestion is like 60% fluff
potent veldt
Because Thorium has an earthquake-esque thing underground
hollow shell
I'd appreciate if you pared down your suggestion and removed all the redundant stuff or the preface
potent veldt
Especially with the "blocks emit particles and rock entities fall from the ceiling", which is exactly what happens in Thorium
hollow shell
Unnecessary words and sentences
ashen warren
It was to give people a better understanding.
hollow shell
You say "I've never found a mod that lets you change hairstyle" twice
"It says on the pins to not ask for items but this really isn't counted as one"
is not needed.
potent veldt
Literally your entire suggestion could be
Why?: Because it's fun, and Calamity has so much stuff in it already I'm surprised no one's thought of this before.```That's all you need.
ashen warren
thats a terrible suggestion
potent veldt
It's not.
potent veldt
There's no reason to add more than that, though?
hollow shell
"This isn't a urgent suggestion but I would really appreciate it"
"Like I said before, this isn't urgent just would be really cool to have."
You do repeat yourself a lot
potent veldt
The entire suggestion is "add new hairstyles"
Which isn't wrong.
There's just no reason to prolong it past it.
hollow shell
Wait you actually say that no mod has done that three times
potent veldt
And yeah, wispcream, trust me, you don't want to preface your suggestions unless it's a seriously important suggestion
Because if you preface it, people are less likely to realize what the suggestion is actually about
Because it makes it more likely that people will just read you saying "Now this is something I've wanted for a while" and will stop there
Where if you start it with "Add new hairstyles", there's no way for anyone to misconstrue that or to miss it
hollow shell
Suggestions usually put their main suggestion idea in bold as well
potent veldt
I think the only time anyone gets away with that is if the main sugg point is in bold yeah
potent veldt
Even then, it's a bit iffy
hollow shell
That's better
hollow shell
Still not great and I would appreciate reasoning with more substance and less justifying yourself
potent veldt
That entire first sentence is unnecessary.
hollow shell
"This isn't a urgent suggestion but I would really appreciate it" is also unnecessary
Of course you'd appreciate it, that's why you're writing the suggestion :P
potent veldt
You don't need to tell people you want it, lol
That's just a given
"I don't want this to happen but Im suggesting it anyway" would be a fun one someday
ashen warren
alright hows that
potent veldt
Much better
potent veldt
The reasoning is skippy, but I think thats just because there is no real way to justify it without just going "because fun!"
ashen warren
tbh i wanted to say that the male hair styles in vanilla are ass
potent veldt
Yeah
hollow shell
You could add a line about that
hollow shell
m
ashen warren
i was going to say that, but dunno thought u would have judged me lol
hollow shell
(well, nobody's saying that hairstyles are designed for male or female
You could give your dude a sweet head of Alucard hair)
ashen warren
A cool cloud hairstyle would be amazing tbh. I agree alucard would be amazing.
potent veldt
Unless it's some outrageously crazy opinion, like "The Pack is too weak" or something
ashen warren
alright hows that
potent veldt
That's fine
ashen warren
kay
hollow shell
oh no
ashen warren
Terraria but everyone has a Josuke hair style
hollow shell
Anyway
@lunar lark Generally, the majority of your suggestion shouldn't be the specific way you want your suggestion to go. Most of it should be reasoning.
You could use a summary of that animation as an example, or take some parts of it and list em as potential aspects that could be changed to differentiate it from other boss deaths.
You should give the devs more freedom and more of an explanation as to why the death anim should be changed, rather than 'change it to this'
brittle nexus
||those hairstyles could prob be their own mod tbh||
hollow shell
Thanks
lunar lark
Is it better ?
lunar lark
ight i'll remove it then
hollow shell
You could use parts of it as examples
Like, why do you think that thing your suggesting would be a good fit?
lunar lark
Like all of her brim energy just explodes and fades on the entire world ?
hollow shell
m
You could summarize that all as "A full screen effect of her brimstone energy exploding out of her", or something
lunar lark
yeah that sounds good
hollow shell
Okay sure I'll take it
New sound new visual, makes sense
frosty dagger
My concern with this is a couple things:
- No other boss has a death animation but ml, and cal won't be the final boss in the future as opposed to ml being the final vannila boss.
- It feels like you are referenceing lore, and by the lore (not gameplay) she is spared.
- She will be a friendly NPC in the future and a big death animation doesn't make much sense.
- This is in regard to future content, and it's the devs job to decide what to do.
- There are better things for the devs to work on than this.
ashen warren
^
indigo fog
Scal will be a Town NPC in the future?
lunar lark
hh ok
hollow shell
I don't feel like these are great counterarguments
hollow shell
She is not a town NPC currently
She is the final boss currently
This is not in regards to future content because it pertains to right now
and 5 is just a dick thing to say.
ashen warren
yea tbh
pulsar jay
scal will be a human eventually and is currently just a placeholder sprite right now
does she really need all that right now when she's not even completed yet
woeful ginkgo
has been
since about almost 1 week
that my suggestion hasn't been delivered
god fucking damnit i'm so tilted right now not because of that
hollow shell
SCal NPC isn't coming for a long while
like a while
hollow shell
There could potentially be a year between now and then
ashen warren
so I disagree with that.
woeful ginkgo
it has 133 votes so it has to be sent
ashen warren
I mean its really cheap to get as well
woeful ginkgo
it's not because you disagree that my entire suggestion should go in the trashcan
it's sickening really
ashen warren
lol idrc
woeful ginkgo
because I was so frustrated about what happen this morning
you be venting?
woeful ginkgo
i'm not even gonna argue with you
zealous ridge
Change Rogue accessories with dedicated keybindings (momentum capacitor, sand cloak, spectral veil, plagued fuel pack) into tools similar to the Rod Of Discord
Why?
These items are actually really neat ways to utilize stealth, but they will always be limited by the fact that they take up accessory slots and require their own keybindings to even function. This problem could be fixed by making them more like "rogue tools", granting an effect when at a certain stealth level when used. This wouldn't change their balance too much, but would help make the items even more usable than they are currently.
is this good to post?
ashen warren
Also I used vortex blaster for death mode ravenger and it worked like a charm
uh
Im not sure I read that right
zealous ridge
is it confusing?
pulsar jay
why would there be a year between now and calamitas being an npc
pulsar jay
what
ashen warren
why wouldn't there.
pulsar jay
3 years?!
frail mantle
cause there might be a year between now and the day Cal npc gets implemented?
hollow shell
Because we have to complete Acid Rain and Draedon and some other post-ML content between now and then
pulsar jay
oh
hollow shell
We have a list of priorities and Calamitas NPC is not very high
ashen warren
I say once yharim and draedon gets in, that's when scal would also get human sprite
i mean calamity dimensions pretty much has a SCAL npc
hollow shell
Actually nah
Cal NPC is planned to happen before Yharim
frail mantle
items
foggy kindle
Demonshade is a glass cannon armor
ashen warren
wdym how is it glass cannon
zealous ridge
okay why are we talking about this again i dont think this is suggestion talk?
ashen warren
its 50 defence for everything
pulsar jay
yharim is angry bad auric man
zealous ridge
when was this suggested in recent memory
hollow shell
It's glass cannon because of the Enrage
zealous ridge
ashen warren
oh right it has that enraged thing
hollow shell
Auric Tesla has 2 revives and a bunch of other defensive effects that Demonshade lacks
but Demonshade does have big damage
ashen warren
idk exoblade+auric tesla seems far stronger then demonshade.
well demonshade has all class buffs
instead of seperate helmets
zealous ridge
demonshade is just a mismatched hodgepodge of poorly designed effects all ontop of a generalist base that doesn't even work with the immense powercreep that post-ml has
but that's just me
frosty dagger
Sorry I had to go for a while, but I would think the sprite would come with the npc, it isn't relevant to current content because he mentioned decapitation, and that doesn't make sense with a big eyeball. The reason I think there are better things to work on is because the only time this would be used as he said it, with decapitation so he means when the sprite comes out and also seperate from the npc. It would just have to get removed when the npc comes out because Scal can revive lore wise and it doesn't make sense gameplay wise either. I have heard spriting and animating is hard work, so I would think it would take some time.
Also 6. You should mention that cal will get a humonoid sprite because I don't believe everyone knows that.
queen sail
Honestly demonshade would look more viable if it had something more noteworthy to compete with the “nuclear explosion every time you attack” that is auric tesla
frosty dagger
So no, I don't think point five is "just a dick thing to say"
lost agate
or perhaps tesla just is too strong
frosty dagger
I agree it needs a buff, auric is stronger than it, even without draconic elixir
Green is referring to when she gets a human sprite
lost agate
ah
hollow shell
@frosty dagger "I feel like the simple decapitation on her death isn't enough for a character as powerful as her"
I think he misused the word "decapitation"
frosty dagger
Yes probably
queen sail
You know what
frosty dagger
It completely changes what he said
queen sail
Why not just give scal a particle death anim
Like nkg’s death anim
Bunch of red flames or smth
lunar lark
k
hollow shell
cuz
iunno how you're "decapitating" an eyeball
hollow shell
Decapitation means to cut off their head
frosty dagger
An eye doesn't have a head
hollow shell
You may have meant disintegration?
lost agate
death diagnosis
hollow shell
Yeah there we go, that's better wording
hallow kraken
y’know, why does frost barrier sell from merchant
frosty dagger
So you can get it in pre hm
queen sail
P much
frosty dagger
It's at a god level of power that early though
queen sail
Like usually it takes 2-4 ice clasper kills for me to get one each run
frosty dagger
In death
terse sundial
Frost barrier is used in Auric Tesla right?
queen sail
Yes
frosty dagger
Yes
hollow shell
I don't understand why some people have terrible luck with Zerg spawns
I gotta assume Hadari just sat there and didn't bother killing anything, so no NPC slots ever got freed up
terse sundial
Doesn't this same situation apply to the psychotic amulet as well
Or however you spell it
queen sail
Psychotic amulet is worse than frost barrier lmao
hollow shell
Yes, that was the previous suggestion that had this issue
queen sail
I almost never get a psychotic amulet
ashen warren
I get psychotic amulet randomly
terse sundial
I mean, I understand for convenience to have them be easily obtained
seeing as how so many people don't like to grind for items
queen sail
Bc they want the thrill of “omega op endgame armor” faster ig?
queen sail
I autogrind lmao
Gumball Jar on LMB trick + a bunch of summons = 
Oh and the luiafk magnet ig
small talon
You have many hours of gameplay to get it before you kill yharon
The barrier is one of the first ever things I get, cuz it counts as both fire protection and frost protection is deathmode
hollow shell
@pulsar jay What was your farming process
small talon
Super fucking useful
No excuse you shouldn't buy it first time merchant sells it each playthrough
hollow shell
Did you sit in one place or move around
Did you kill enemies the entire time or just ignore them (with stealth or something) and wait for an Ice Clasper
terse sundial
Maybe we should increase the drop rates of both the barrier and the amulet
hollow shell
If you're diligent about checking the Travelling Merchant you're bound to obtain it
and Psychotic Amulet is affected by Defiled
terse sundial
5% still isn't much
hollow shell
It'd be annoying to have one of the most common Hardmode enemies drop it at a rate higher than 5%
small talon
It's like a 50% chance, or something close cuz I swear he sells it every other time I check
hollow shell
You'd be swimming in them
terse sundial
true
small talon
It's a 5% from clasper or merchant?
terse sundial
Alternatively we could slightly increase the spawn rates of the ice claspers
hollow shell
Talking about Psychotic Amulet. With Defiled enabled it's 5% from Possessed Armors
terse sundial
Since they already have a low~ish spawn
hollow shell
It is a 10% drop from Ice Clapsers
and Travelling Merchant sells it during Full Moons
small talon
Cuz I do agree for a semi rare mob 5% is quite low
hollow shell
Possessed Armor is not semi rare
small talon
I'd say like 25% chance
terse sundial
Possessed armors spawn often
hollow shell
Barrier is 10%
small talon
Ahh I see
pulsar jay
@hollow shell I'm a summoner, everything was killed and i watched my tally counter and lifeform analyzer at all times to see if it was spawned and killed
i didn't see it once not even for a split second
radiant meadow
if the traveling merchant spawns, you should be able to use cosmolight to obtain the correct moon phase
hollow idol
Yah
small talon
Oh he sells it depending on moon phase?
hollow idol
Yah
small talon
That's useful to know
pulsar jay
travelling merchant can't have his shop changed regardless of how much you switch the day
even in vanilla if you try to wait until the next day while keeping him from despawning his shop never changes
ashen warren
^
frosty dagger
Before he spawns
radiant meadow
that's for vanilla items
you can just change the moon phase for frost barrier
it should work
at least, I swear it worked last time I checked
hollow shell
If you have the shop open the entire time then yeah it won't change
If you keep re-opening it then it will change
tired haven
When I stalled travelling merchant naturally it didn't ever change, weird
tired haven
I stalled vanilla from full to something, so yeah fair enough regardless
Forgot that modded items are quite different when it comes to shopping
gray nebula
br
zealous ridge
what does this mean
tired haven
It means like, sylvan slasher ig
zealous ridge
tired haven
(that's very rough comparison cuz accessories themselves don't do direct damage like that)
zealous ridge
i wasnt asking about my suggestion i was asking about what br meant
but like, yee
thats a similar idea
i guess
gray nebula
s'already sprited too
and it's the weekend now so dom will probably code it along with the 49 more summoner weapons he can code in a single weekend
queen delta
Can ya not
gray nebula
queen delta
No need to ping two people at once lol
slender lava
why do people get so frustrated at pings. lol not a big deal really unless you spam one person constantly
frail mantle
cause there's no reason to ping people while they're talking
queen delta
Yeah they were talking only 1 minute ago
slender lava
what if they left right after they said what they said?
queen delta
Also you pinged two devs just to say “LITTY” or whatever that means
slender lava
letting them know i replied.
swift bison
legendary summon is in the sugg don'ts iirc
slender lava
i hope its a good'n
queen delta
Well, time to delete the suggestion then?
swift bison
nvm its not in the don'ts specifically
tired haven
I mean, hoping for anything summoner to be implemented is rather foolish
Learnt that the hard way
hollow shell
I just uhh
told him it's coming
brittle nexus
gray nebula
legendary summon is in the don'ts but hheajjahjajhajjaka
weg
wegud
it's coming
along with a lot of stuff summoner
radiant meadow
revert
zealous ridge
brittle nexus
I think that's the case every time someone asks for a new boss
toxic kettle
instant bluecheck 
hallow kraken
factually incorrect
ashen warren
thats a whole new level of balancing
ashen warren
yes
hollow shell
@strange lake "simple"
Adding a check for reduced numbers in literally every NPC and item in the mod?
agile cloud
Wouldnt the file size skyrocket?
hollow shell
No I don't think the filesize would skyrocket
strange lake
I was suggesting a simple config that could reduce Calamity damage/health values by some amount, like 20%
hollow shell
but it would be very very annoying to implement
agile cloud
Well a hard amount isnt balancing
strange lake
There's already a mod in Tmodloader which does exactly what I suggested, the problem is that it hasn't been updated
zenith hazel
having a flat number to balance around breaks balance even more
agile cloud
You would need something else to use as a reference point
Like specifically balancing around vanilla
hollow shell
I'm wondering how possible it is to reduce all of the numbers by the set percentage
ashen warren
file size wouldnt just skyrocket by adding alternate numbers for diff weaps
hollow shell
globally changing all damages
zenith hazel
that mod’s main aim is to just break calamity, nothing else
agile cloud
Calamity > Everything else
hollow shell
ashen warren
not the best idea to play calamity with other content mods anyway
strange lake
Well, the problem is that Calamity overpowers every other content mod out there, like Mod of Redemption, Thorium, Spirit Mod etc. Calamity is such a great mod that I would never play without it, but I don't want to skip out on the other fantastic mods out there
zenith hazel
then play them separately
major content mods balance only around themselves, not around each other
strange lake
The only problem I've had with Calamity combined with other mods is that Calamity numbers are just too big
ashen warren
esp spirit + calamity is the worst idea
zenith hazel
that’s the whole point, don’t mix
ashen warren
spirit items are garbage compared to cal's u wouldnt need them at all
hollow shell
Hm
tired haven
It is actually pretty funny concern
While calamity generally overpowers most mods (because of balancing to the higher average), most mods overpower calamity on a bunch of single occasions and no one ever mentions that 
hallow kraken
by any chance is this about ragnarok items?
hollow shell
(i.e. Thorium's Tide Turner armor carrying through every post-ML boss fight)
strange lake
That is when it would make more sense to "not use the OP" items
ashen warren
post rag items not really actually
tired haven
Reality breakers are indeed one of the brighter examples of that
agile cloud
Yep
ashen warren
rag is meant to be post polterghast right
agile cloud
i dont think so
ashen warren
cant rmv
hallow kraken
Because it’s supposed to be a post boss item so it’s broken?
tired haven
On the same tier as prov
agile cloud
its post provi on checklist though isnt it?
ashen warren
o
hollow shell
While wearing Tide Turner, 1/6 of the time you're alive you become invincible and fully healed
hollow shell
m youre right
zenith hazel
around itself, because it’s an endgame set
but when you’re talking about mixing with other mods? not necessarily
strange lake
Spirit Mod has a summoner healing cloak that makes you an unkillable God, but damn-near everything else in the mod is weak and unusable in a Calamity playthrough. In a case like that, it would seem more balanced to have Calamity nerfed and players could simply not use the OP healing cloak
zenith hazel
god I can’t type after just waking up istg
tired haven
The main concept remains simple: mixing content mods bad
ashen warren
i tot brav was american all this whiled
zenith hazel
never said I was byeah
ashen warren
feeling
ashen warren
The theme for the boss rush should be the old lorde theme since its already mashed up all the boss themes
autumn lion
ew no plz
hollow shell
(That theme was never in-game smh)
autumn lion
too many boss rush music suggestion, tf lol
hollow shell
smh chain suggestion
gilded pike
i didnt even see thuns suggy till i was almost done typing it
toxic kettle
That's 5 new songs
zenith hazel
@candid mortar add a reason
hollow shell
Also please note that we don't do these nerfs for no reason
zenith hazel
aaand it was deleted
hollow shell
We have a team of testers, y'know
candid mortar
If I even need to add a reason, you must REALLY fucking hate your community.
But fine
I give up
hollow shell
Pluto wtf
zenith hazel
calm the hell down
crude quartz
(he's always like this pls move on)
hollow shell
(okay, thanks Gav)
lost agate
gilded pike
ah i see
ashen warren
lmao
hollow shell
@silk scarab *too little
first sentence
s'not a big deal but the sentence is a lil hard to read as-is
silk scarab
Darn, I spell checked it and everything and I guess I missed that
wooden wedge
Spell check doesn't touch grammar
tired haven
Bloodflare weps are the only balanced lifesteal 
silk scarab
@tired haven you get like 20 health a minute with those weapons, most people just use the vampire knives or the pearl god for more life anyways, even in post moonlord bossfights
tired haven
20 health per minute sounds very underestimated
They should be like 2-6 hp/s
tired haven
It is both, but neither affects bloodflare stuff
wooden wedge
Reduced in rev but even more in death i think
silk scarab
I’m not sure, but it is underwhelming when a group of items seemingly based on lifesteal don’t have as much power as pre-moonlord options
ashen warren
I mean so what if bloodflare has bad lifesteal?
Your meant to get godslayer armour
as soon as you beat DOG
so really, I dont really mind personally.
silk scarab
@ashen warren yeah, but it’s just weird that they get advertised by the descriptions so much with lifesteal that when you actually use them it’s just disappointing
ashen warren
I mean lets be honest jevin, does life steal even help?
In death mode they 2/3 tap u either way.
silk scarab
Yeah, that’s..... kinda what life steal is suppost to do. Because defense doesn’t really matter in death mode it’s still sometimes worth it to try to lifesteal so you can survive an extra hit
ashen warren
laughs in yharon
hollow shell
Lifesteal would indeed help you recover from hits
silk scarab
You can’t tell me you never tried life steal as a last ditch effort against a boss because if you get hit again it’s over
hollow shell
I used frickin Vampiric Talisman on Yharon1
(and Empyrean Knives on Yharon2)
Lifesteal good
ashen warren
I used the tarregon scythe or whatever its called
silk scarab
That’s another example of something that has basically no lifesteal. The vampire knives are better than that
tired haven
totally not because vampire knives are disgustingly overtuned
silk scarab
And pearl god too
tired haven
Lategame lifesteal will always feel worse than that because it also provides proper dmg on tier
Compare ataxia mage to spectre hood, there is huge difference as well
silk scarab
Yeah, but I just think it would be neat to have something that does less damage, but lifesteal isn’t just an after thought that adds basically nothing to the weapon,
It would give the option of making the fight take longer, but you can take more hits in it
tired haven
The problem with that approach is, it takes very little to turn actually threatening fight into endurance thing that you just wait out till boss dies
Bloodflare weapons when used right will demonstrate exactly that. They don't have enough lifesteal to make a disaster, though, and in that part it is a correct notice
silk scarab
You wouldn’t be using a life steal weapon the whole time though because it would have horrible DPS. Once you get low you can sacrifice damage and focus more on dodging so you can regenerate life and if your successful you can focus on damage again. People will still always use the vampire knives and pearl god for this at any point in the game once they have it so why not give other choices other than just some you get after plantera and you use them untill yharon. Overall people are gonna use a weapon with low damage and high lifesteal at any point post plantera so why not give replacements for these weapons that essentially do the same thing as players would do normally.
strange lake
I thought bloodflare, and other lifesteal weapons, were so awful only because of a bug that eventually got patched out
hollow shell
nnnah I don't recall that
strange lake
Found it. "73 - Fixed some bugs with life steal (namely with spectre set and vampire knives) and made life steal more useful in rev+. - Done ✅"
hollow shell
When was that?
strange lake
11/17/2019, so quite a while ago
hollow shell
I see
strange lake
I played before that update, though, which was where I got my bias against lifesteal
teal ibex
lifesteal is just, by principle, a bad idea in this game 
if it's good enough at its job it'll keep you alive in perpetuity, so it has to be self-nerfed to the point that it's just bootleg health regeneration
ashen warren
yes
sand umbra
does this make Moon Bite the best Terraria debuff rather than the worst
or are we still counting Moon Bite as the worst idea since carbonated drinks
tired haven
Moon bite was just the ML anticheese change #807 so yeah it still sucks
ashen warren
+3000
sand umbra
and on that note, given that he is lactose intolerant
why isn't he dead
ashen warren
qwp
teal ibex
moonlord is the ultimate bandaid patch
wherein all sorts of cheese culminated into "here is a boss that counters everything. it's cool though you can still just run away--"
queen sail
Ml negating life steal did nothing to address the fact that it’s still possible to nohit it with a unicorn
ashen warren
I thought lifesteal hap a hard cap of how much of it you could take per second or per few seconds
ashen warren
bloodflare is special since I believe it bypasses that thing
karmic stone
Shivs could be aimed at one point?
worthy fiber
ye
karmic stone
o
worthy fiber
Then they were hit with the big nerf
quiet abyss
Weren't they like, buffed in damage to compensate for that?
placid girder
Shivs are fine imo
karmic stone
Yea
placid girder
Like sure they have a gimmick that makes them harder to use
placid girder
But it helps to differentiate them from being bootleg broadswords
indigo fog
So because the shiv only moves horizontally it's automatically bad?
karmic stone
So, revert the change
inner rover
to me the shivs have become useless
inner rover
ok
placid girder
They might be undertuned in terms of numbers
inner rover
well not COMEPLETELY useless
queen sail
I mean
karmic stone
I use the earlier ones for events and stuff, they eat groups of enemies
karmic stone
And the later ones just puke projs so it doesnt really matter that much
queen sail
Ig it negates the status quo of every goddamn melee weapon in the game being a beam sword
queen sail
Brb gonna donate $50 to Calam and ask for a gunsword that changes damage between ranged and melee
karmic stone
Brongularioso
placid girder
Chad all damage type weapon
indigo fog
You can still hit bosses like leviathan and aureus with it so i wouldn't say that makes it useless
inner rover
does the elemental shiv projectiles still home in?
queen sail
Besides aureus is like
quiet abyss
You should probably reword your suggestion.
"they have become useless because you can't aim anymore." is an exaggeration, and you yourself agreed that it was.
queen sail
Built on horizontal movement, isn’t he
placid girder
Late game shivs have slight homing
queen sail
Lots of walking in that one
placid girder
Yeah there's also a lot of bosses you'll be directly horizontal to
queen sail
And 
’s just really fucking fat so if you miss you must be in the middle of executing your 500 IQ strategy
inner rover
reworded