God Gem Hook
#suggestions-discussion
distant gyro
sand umbra
it's particularly useful if you didn't take the time to get a Gem Hook before KS
queen sail
Can we just remember the meme that is the actual grappling hook though
sand umbra
(and even then, Slime Hook has the advantage of 3 separate latching points where a Gem Hook can only latch onto one tile)
queen sail
Which is arguably more annoying to get
sand umbra
time to give you a good meme
Grappling Hook (the OG) is better than Amethyst Hook in all possible fields
sand umbra
yes
queen sail
How so
distant gyro
Never get grappling hook though
sand umbra
distant gyro
I usually come across gems before a hook to drop
hollow shell
It is in fact superior in 1 (one) field
sand umbra
shhhh
queen sail
It’s easier to just find a bunch of gems rather than grind two enemies for one rare drop
Unfortunately
sand umbra
byeah
queen sail
sand umbra
Grappling Hook is on par with or better than Amethyst Hook in every possible field
sand umbra
it's baffling too because like
Grappling Hook was one of the two original hooks
buddies only with Ivy Whip
queen sail
The other was ivy and
Depending how you managed it
Was easier to get than the og grappling hook
sand umbra
that means Underground Jungle though
sand umbra
mhm
queen sail
Safer, but grind embodied
But if you managed things right you could get the best hook in prehm preboss
which i’ve done once before
last star
Change tooltip for Giant Tortoise Shell to provide accurate information.
Clearification: currently only states that attackers take dmg when you are attacked and that you are slowed, but doesnt state if teh dmg they take is related to anything or static.
while in reality the damage the attacker takes is 25% of the damage you would have taken and also doesnt state if that dmg is calculated before or after the players armour dmg reduction or the attackers armour.
reason: lacking information and want clearer info, also not even wiki states if the return dmg is calculated before or after the wearers armour reduction (clearifying what i mean: if x unit deals 100 dmg, and i have 100 armour, does he take 25 dmg or 25% of the damage i take after my armour reduction?)
i need opinions
fervent citrus
Sounds good
Altho you can try suggesting how the tooltip would sound exactly
As an example
ashen warren
the colossal squid is probably the hardest abyss miniboss
im thinking of nerfing its ability to just latch onto you
frail mantle
I don’t find them too hard to deal with tbh
ancient crow
ashen warren
Rover told him he should probably reword the sugg
He said no, I don’t think I will.
Actually, he didn’t say anything, but same difference
bitter drift
@turbid pike here take it from me
it's pissing the hell off
yes i did die to it as he was dieing as well
frail mantle
unreal viper
@hollow shell I deleted my suggestion after reading the pinned document.
calm moat
suggestion idea: make worm food and bloody spine easier to craft by not requiring the powder
Reason: do I need to explain this? It's really annoying if you dont have enough shadow orbs/crimson hearts for another fight and farming mushrooms is a pain if you dont have much on your world
gusty geode
Don't you need like
3 mushrooms per summon
brittle nexus
I'd mention something about if your crimson or corruption is in a snow biome, you don't get any mushrooms unless you expand artifically
toxic kettle
imagine saying 6 mushrooms is much
gusty geode
This is the kinda suggestion I like to call "fix this minor inconvenience"
I still think it deserves a mention somewhere in the rules or don'ts or wherever
Things go wrong, you may have to spend more time and effort than is absolutely necessary sometimes
It's easier to get used to it than to try and change it
green pumice
sounds like a small qol change that can easily be fixed by other mods
keen nebula
I've had an idea for the combination of the Astral Arcanum and the Nebulous Core for the longest time but I've been contemplating if it's worth it to make the suggestion or not
zealous ridge
hmm
keen nebula
They have matching themes and I think the offensive capabilities of the Nebulous Core and the defensive capabilities of the Astral Arcanum could make the accessory very powerful (which for now I am calling the Cosmic Core)
The problem I had with pushing the Astral Arcanum to post-DoG and implementing the Nebulous Core at that stage is that Astral Arcanum is one of the best accessories for taking on DoG
And at that point it would only really be helpful against SCal
zealous ridge
the cosmic core could be after DoG, while arcanum can stay useful pre-dog
unless that's not how it is rn
keen nebula
The Nebulous Core is DoG's expert drop, so it will be post-DoG
zealous ridge
yes
keen nebula
But I don't think it should be pre-Yharon
keen nebula
I think it should be obtainable at the same time as Celestial Tracers
gusty geode
I thought Arcanum was just the "remove travelling" accessory
keen nebula
That sounds cool
zealous ridge
something like that
but yeah, name is just for fun
really i think the sugg could be less specific than naming the thing and giving it specific unique effects
keen nebula
It can be called whatever the devs choose it to be in the end
zealous ridge
the devs will decide that
hollow shell
This sounds pretty specific and doesn't have a whole lot of reason backing it
keen nebula
It might just be personal bias towards the Astral Arcanum being one of my favorite accessories
noble turret
o
zealous ridge
imagine giving lifesteal to late-prehm mage
then again, that isn't too uncommon lmao
life drain comes to mind
hollow shell
Life Drain is my favorite late-PreHM mage weapon
hollow shell
m
zealous ridge
but thing is, lifesteal is always going to be really tough to balance around
lost agate
Isnt life drain a crimson mimic drop
hollow shell
Mana Overloader at least has the life sapping downside
zealous ridge
thorium's lifesteal weapons are a good example, and mana overloader can be tough to get right too
ye, the natural life sap is helpful in decreasing sustainability
tired haven
Mana overloader also is as potent as unnerfed spectre iirc
plush karma
Vanilla balanced it by capping it at 2 hearts per second when people abused vampire knives on plantera iirc
noble turret
@hollow shell you can get over that by unequipping it when you're healed up
hollow shell
Sounds inconvenient
zealous ridge
but still possible, i guess
tired haven
oh that nerf changed barely nothing, believe me
hollow shell
Also the lifesteal only occurs at very low mana while wearing Overloader
zealous ridge
plus, mana overloader does more than just give spectre lifesteal
yup, and that's a good disadvantage too
but thing is, combine it with mana flower and lesser mana pots, and youve got yourself spectre healing pre-hm
hollow shell
which I guess if you don't have Mana Flower that's kinda easy to achieve, but you're still much weaker magic-wise at those kindsa mana levels
plush karma
Doesn't mage have low mana half of the time because potions anyway?
noble turret
yes but if you just chug a mana regen and have a star in a bottle around you can use the low mana cost of just 2 mana easily rapidly
hollow shell
iunno, I've personally never used it. Not much
I'll take your word for it that you can strat out some sick healing
zealous ridge
personally i would change the range of the projectiles spawned
not make them spectre healing bolts, have them be more like fungal clump's healing projectiles
where you have to be close to get healing
higher risk, but potential reward
noble turret
that would make it kinda useless tho
noble turret
you'd get hit by things faster than you can get healed
tired haven
Also would worsen extremely high risk/reward aspect
I mean, you don't need tests to see how inconvenient it is to use clump lifesteal
zealous ridge
agreeable i suppose
hollow shell
(Clump may as well not have lifesteal due to how short that range is)
zealous ridge
but i don't think it has to be exactly the fungal clumps range
zealous ridge
yeah, like asel said
lost agate
Clump gets extra range if youre holding a summon weapon iirc
tired haven
Maybe. I'd still prefer if the accessory itself is just less augmented (less regen loss and far less lifesteal)
(btw the negative regen doesn't work at low mana iirc?)
zealous ridge
really? huh
zealous ridge
ah
i dont even really think mage needs lifesteal at this point, to be frank
it seems asinine to balance around
tired haven
that made me think of "rally" mechanic for true melee, for no apparent reason
should play less dead cells
zealous ridge
that effect could be removed and swapped with a damage boost, or potentially even the spectre mask effect
or it could do something related to the slime gods
tired haven
Or maybe something that actually gives you mana
noble turret
it already gives like 60 mana
zealous ridge
^
tired haven
Restoration indeed
max mana is kinda wack
keen nebula
In preHM you can't be affected negatively by the Mana Overloader during bosses
noble turret
isn't that just inf mana with extra steps @tired haven
keen nebula
because the highest mana potion restores 100 and that will always be less than half of max mana at the point in which you get it
keen nebula
I had an inaccurate interpretation of the Mana Overloader from the name
I thought it would be an accessory that increased mana regen
noble turret
@keen nebula highest mana pot restores 400
keen nebula
yes. post ML
noble turret
the strange brew thing
keen nebula
pot sickness
tired haven
Once in 60 seconds, nice
keen nebula
i just went braindead sorry
tired haven
50 is for restoration, isn't it?
keen nebula
that's sunken stew
tired haven
Hmm
keen nebula
it restores 150 mana preHM
tired haven
Either way, a tad lot too rare to affect things
Regular max mana pot at that point is 100
keen nebula
ever been empty on both health and mana
keen nebula
so when are we getting omega restoration pot
plush karma
Restoration potion key when
noble turret
when was the last time you got all the way to hell with a obsidian key but not healing pots and mana pots
keen nebula
hadal stew is just an upgrade to restoration potions
Maybe I should suggest a fishable 150 mana pot preHM
would be the mage version of honeyfin
would be better than the regular pots but not hardmode tier
keen nebula
Say what
tired haven
3
keen nebula
I guess you don't suffer mana sickness at least
But how do you find 2 seconds of wait time when being chased by the Wall of Flesh?
noble turret
by waiting
tired haven
Well, since mana regen pot removes moving penalty you can just release the weapon
The catch is that those 3 seconds of wait affect dps a lot. Usually more than chugging mana pots
keen nebula
The catch is also that you can't use Prism-type weapons
noble turret
prism weapons kinda bad ngl
tired haven
Tell me more
Last prism in nerfed condition eats postML calamity gear for breakffast
distant gyro
expected result from someone who doesn't use mana pots
tired haven
(well at least charged blaster cannon kinda sucks, but it's more because of unneeded conditions)
crude geode
Can barely shoot Yharim’s crystal for two seconds without using mana pots
noble turret
isnt there like a upgrade for last prism straight after getting it
night cradle
not really
noble turret
or was that pre dog
night cradle
the closest is after Polterghast
noble turret
oh
fervent citrus
one more vote till my sugg reaches 120 votes :O
zealous ridge
i know this is probably already known
but dw theyll get to it when they get to it
toxic pagoda
does anyone know if Recitation of the Beast is getting a buff
I havent checked the changelogs and I dont feel like going through all of them lol
pulsar jay
mana overloader my ass do you know how often that god damn thing gets me killed?
frosty dagger
You aren't supposed to use it when you arn't fighting a boss and when you are you will rarely have the reduced Regen during a boss fight
tired haven
It's not the accessory that kills you there: it's the greediness you approach it with
ashen warren
Mana Overloader, Mana Regen pots and no Magic cuffs means you can basically drain mana on purpose and get free lifesteal until you’re back to full life
ashen warren
I remember using shadowdrop staff and mana overloader with a mana regen pot to make the entire death WoF fight free
toxic kettle
Shadowdrop in the Underworld 
ashen warren
just clear the top
ashen warren
perhaps a colourblind mod that adds a filter over the entire game would be nice
hollow shell
Is that possible?
ashen warren
I'd guess so, considering how providence and leviathan do full screen colour shifts
ashen warren
oh that, as I recall it should do something
It's usually described as a kind of filter
from some article I found by looking up colourblind filters for games
¯_(ツ)_/¯
hollow shell
hrm
wide flicker
Being colorblind myself, the only times I had a real problem with due to colors (though take this with a grain of salt because I don't know what the fights normally look like) were Provi and moon lord. Moon lord because all the projectiles are a similar color to the body, and Provi because with the healing flames bit, the healing and damaging flames look nearly identical
loud steeple
There's also many different types of colorblindness iirc
So there would have to multiple different films/settings/whatever the word is to fit all the "major" colorblindnesses
hollow shell
There are at least 4 distinct types iirc
Ah, it might just be 3
.. ok according to Wikipedia there are 7, but only one of them is 2.7% of the population and all other are below 1% (some at 0.01%, and pure monochromacy is ridiculously rare)
Basically
red-green is the most common but blue-yellow also exists
subtle oracle
Suggestion is getting implemented anyways or are you waiting for stars to go up??
hollow shell
Nah still waiting for stars
Might still send it to the dev server unofficially if it doesn't get enough
subtle oracle
This seems like a feature for the Terraria devs to implement not calamity devs, thats my opinion
ashen warren
am i the only person that doesnt bother to get the green healing flames from providence
tepid root
yea i dont either
tepid root
yeah provi spawns green healing flames outside of death
fervent citrus
Outside of- wot
frail mantle
Outside of Death Mode
frail mantle
She only spawns them in Rev and below
tepid root
she doesnt spawn them in death mode
fierce hedge
@turbid pike i already posted that in bugs channel
Wasnt sure if it's a bug or not
Pretty sure it is
Idrk
I just kinda did oof
tepid root
yeah it sounds like a bug
fervent citrus
Btw has anyone noticed skellys hands get stuck in dmode sometimes?
tepid root
?
fervent citrus
Well, when he tps, the hands are stuck wherever he did so
Well, some of them anyways
tepid root
e
indigo fog
That change fixed this issue instead
indigo fog
That's an entirely different mod?
the issue isn't on calamity's side
why suggest here
tepid root
yeah uh shouldnt you suggest that to the mod creator?
ashen warren
@zenith hazel
keen geyser
confusion
gusty grail
zenith hazel
@cloud token yeah you should go tell that to the mod creator, this has nothing to do with calamity
cloud token
Sorry I thought Calamity could like nerf certain aspects I didn’t know
tired haven
Well, other mods can be nerfed too
It just would be an ungrateful move
calamity nerf mod exists, after all
tired haven
Just not something that will be done, yeah
subtle oracle
80 Stars PogU, this suggestion is looking like a reality soon... if fab approves of it that is...
tepid root
i mean, it has 40 stars left if its going to be sent thats still a lot 
fervent citrus
Im all for the rogue headsets but
Summoner has like 2 exclusive armor sets for early
indigo fog
wasnt this suggested before
unreal viper
Forbidden armor is a mixed set, spider is the only exclusive armor set.
@indigo fog Might have been, it wasn't in the suggestion don't"s document.
indigo fog
it has been but this didn't mention summoning armors
unkempt bolt
indigo fog
Spear of Destiny is pretty great though
indigo fog
well Prismalline and Spear of Paleolith are also really good weapons
green pumice
you can just not cheese????
indigo fog
i have to check this out
things still need to be balanced though so it should be nerfed if that combination is really too much
tired haven
Oh it sure is
(at least once it will be killed)
About the hotswap, maybe some kind of "camping" animation to offset putting it back mid-fight?
ashen warren
Maybe reduce your mobility while having it on
indigo fog
How fast can you regenerate to full health?
ashen warren
Id say around super fast
fervent citrus
Hmm
indigo fog
no i mean how long in seconds
ashen warren
I dont really know Id say 5-15 seconds
tired haven
Two screenshot crops with a watch and healthbar would be good enough to explain
indigo fog
Is that while standing still?
ashen warren
No moving around
tired haven
While moving
That's how camper changes things
indigo fog
I mean won't you also be missing out on damage when you're using that and moving around?
ashen warren
Yes but
You literally can change it out mid fight
You dont have to have it on for long
tired haven
- you can always take it off to deal dmg
- if you are lowkey immortal, who cares there is no dmg
indigo fog
yeah that makes sense
fervent citrus
As long as it takes less than a day im all for it :P
indigo fog
i mean you have to work for your bars
you shouldn't be able to just get things like that with barely any effort
timid pawn
if this suggestion is not good pls just type "Nope" instead of a long converstion
ashen warren
Just download a freaking quality of life mod tho
indigo fog
you can just arma brain and get all the bars you want
zenith hazel
if you can't be bothered to make mining/spelunker potions late game and spend like 5 minutes excavating caves for ores then idk what to tell you
timid pawn
I hate mining in calamity
indigo fog
it doesn't take long at all
ashen warren
Mining doesnt annoy me
zenith hazel
that's not really our problem
ashen warren
I just put on astral armor and im ready to go
zenith hazel
don't suggest things just for the sake of it
elder mist
there's plenty of mods that give mining npcs too
timid pawn
Example?
ashen warren
Doesnt Alchnpcs add one?
indigo fog
i don't think so but i never use it so i'm not sure
elder mist
tremor
zenith hazel
blacksmith from thorium
timid pawn
Tremor is not availble
ashen warren
Tremor is fucking shit
elder mist
tremor best mod
zenith hazel
I don't know enough tremor pensib
zenith hazel
I don't even know that it even added npcs to begin with
elder mist
clam for the longest time was the only big content mod that didn't add npcs
then archmage and sea king finally arrived
ashen warren
Playing with tremor is annoying, the weapons, they are all basically the Same thing
zenith hazel
byeah point is, other mods can fill the bill in terms of ores
timid pawn
It also ripped of content from alot of mods and there is really no boss animation just moving pictures
timid pawn
Like the guide
ashen warren
He gives u tips bro!!!
timid pawn
Useless tips*
indigo fog
the guide is required to progress because wall of flesh
ashen warren
People seem to not understand the power of the camper 😤 😤 😤
timid pawn
He tells you to go underground to farm for a rare skeleton drop ( the hook) and you can simply get a better hook from king slime
zenith hazel
discuss actual suggestions please
if you're going to talk about tremor then move to #other-mod-talk
indigo fog
the point is that this isn't necessary at all and other mods do the same thing too
sly lily
I never used The Camper, is the regen that broken there?
hot dagger
Wulfrum drones and slimes being less common and maybe be more powerful, while dropping more shards
toxic kettle
make fire tornados that are generated by players a different color from yharon's
Or don't use The Wand against Yharon
unreal viper
@sly lily Yes when combined with the shiny stone or photosynthesis potions.
hot dagger
The wand is a fun weapon, but the tornados just look unnatural for some reason. Same with yharon. I think maybe it’s that they spin too fast
@toxic kettle that’s a great idea, having the tornadoes be a different color.
sly lily
oh right I still tend to ignore potions, true that
toxic kettle
well it wasn't my idea
gusty geode
Are they generated by an accessory?
If so
Make them dyeable 
rancid flame
Now that chaos state lasts 10 sec, has anyone suggested an accessory that reduces chaos state? Or is that already a thing?
rancid flame
I wouldnt mind using an acc slot for chaos state to be reduced
green pumice
rod was nerfed for a reason
rancid flame
well yeah
green pumice
and this is the second time iirc
rancid flame
but an acc slot is pretty fair
indigo fog
I'm pretty sure you can go for 10 seconds without teleporting. if you can't then idk what to say
green pumice
that accesory would be broken as shit
indigo fog
^
rancid flame
not really.
indigo fog
what
green pumice
i can easily sacrifice damage for mobility
rancid flame
I didnt feel unstoppable before the update
green pumice
you're not supposed to
rancid flame
its just made the Yharon fight much harder for me
tbf tho i probobly did rely on the NR too much
green pumice
it's not that hard
rancid flame
ok thats easy for you to say
indigo fog
If you can't go for 10 seconds without teleporting then you definitely rely on it too much
rancid flame
It doesnt even have to reduce it down to 6 sec. just like 8 or smthn
I need the fall speed
rancid flame
no i like unicorn
frosty dagger
Making an accessory to counter a Nerf a bit doesn't make much sense
green pumice
portal gun
rancid flame
or whatever the ugraded version of that is
frosty dagger
If they wanted it to be less of a Nerf they would have nerfed it less
green pumice
holding portal gun makes you drop at 100km/h
rancid flame
i wanna attack
indigo fog
Alicorn mount isn't good for yharon because it has awful vertical mobility
rancid flame
then I get off the alicorn
frosty dagger
Not nessissarilly
rancid flame
hmm
green pumice
indigo fog
I don't find it better than bean mount or shadow dragon
toxic kettle
"I want an accessory to reduce the NR cooldown because I don't wanna use a specific mount"
indigo fog
but maybe im missing something idk
rancid flame
I tried using the mount but it didnt go well
indigo fog
what mount
green pumice
you have to adapt
bitter drift
here is a good suggestion
IF A SENTINAL DESPAWN IN THE DoG FIGHT HOW ABOUT WE FORCE RESPAWN THEM LIKE IN BOSS RUSH!?
why?: SO SHIT LIKE THIS WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN TO ME THIS IS THE 2ND TIME ALREADY!
green pumice
once you do its simple
rancid flame
I couldnt control myslef well and kept hitting the infernadoes
toxic kettle
that's not the game's fault
green pumice
@bitter drift 1. no need for all the caps 2. thats a bug
frosty dagger
I don't think normality relocator should powercreep RoD because with RoD you actually have to stop attacking, and switch what you holding, but that's was the devs want and I don't think that's gonna change.
Same thing for what your saying
bitter drift
1.i still hate it
2. why wasn't it fixed in the last update then?
terse sundial
why the fuck are my reactions not sticking
rancid flame
good point.
bitter drift
now i have to do P1 again for fuck's sake!
rancid flame
why not fixed? it was known for a while
terse sundial
~~i'm trying to bluecheck https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/687287596128141428 ~~ 
indigo fog
bluecheck from what suggestion
frosty dagger
Setinels are still despawning? That's a bruh moment
terse sundial
rancid flame
anyways it shouldn't be here
terse sundial
thank you crab
tired haven
There you go merk
terse sundial
time to restart discord 20 times to see if it fixes itself
tired haven
discord is eternally broken. there is no escape
worthy fiber
Mana requirement stops sentry spam :/
tepid root
sentry spam
indigo fog
also what about borealis bomber
tepid root
also borealis bomber now
subtle oracle
What is sentry spam??
terse sundial
and more coming soon™️
subtle oracle
I dont play sentries soo
tepid root
ok good for you
tired haven
It surely doesn't stop sentry spam btw
You can chug potions indifferently
terse sundial
just because you don't use hybrids or sentries, doesn't mean other players won't try to abuse them
tired haven
tepid root
subtle oracle
I rarely play summoner at all, I do it for the memes but I just stick with other classes... never knew about sentry spam huh?
subtle oracle
I just thought that summons should not use mana thats all...
Because I believe in my suggestion and I want it to be considered in the development discord...
worthy fiber
OOA sentries
bitter drift
literally the next fight after the CV de-spawn:
worthy fiber
Also you do need at least a few mana stars to start summoning certain minions iirc
subtle oracle
Dead suggeation 
worthy fiber
Shoot it to die
tired haven
(mostly too lategame for that to ever matter but yeah)
worthy fiber
oh wack
queen sail
@tired haven ig that’s fargo memes then :pensive_rick:
worthy fiber
Anyways yeah the mana takes a part in resummoning both minions and sentries
subtle oracle
Just remove the need for mana stars and let the summons be free...
queen sail
Honestly why not just make the usetime quicker or smth
cloud token
worthy fiber
sentry spam
worthy fiber
Plus inconsistency with whatever other content
queen sail
Not sentries 
worthy fiber
subtle oracle
I dont even play summoner much so I don't care
tired haven
Honestly?
I see no difference between summons using mana and not
And if that's the case then it's easier to stick with vanilla pace
So ye
subtle oracle
I jsut thought that the change should be necessary when I saw mana costs for summons, but then I heard the word Sentry Spam
lost agate
Ballista and imp spam are quite the deal last i checked and iirc calam makes those have autouse so yoiks
And even if they dont have autouse that sounds like a redundant change for a potential balancing problem
karmic stone
@ashen warren Calvin Kelvin's sound is consistent with other weps so its just your settings maybe probably
Unless it was changed this update for some reason
ashen warren
thanks for the correction, its not the volume its the stinging sound in the ear from it
torpid aspen
queen delta
hopefully I got the math right, since all I could think of was using nPr to calculate the amount of combinations
queen delta
yeah it's been a while since i used permutations
woeful ginkgo
I thought it was a brim moon nerf for a sec
brittle nexus
Byea my point was the number was correct hah
woeful ginkgo
god that would be too good to be true
subtle oracle
Suggestion by a official member? A moderator? Well this is a rare site, or maybe its common IDK
fervent zealot
it's not really all that rare
subtle oracle
But yeah, i like what Yatagarasu has come up with... Giving it a Big Ole STAR ⭐
woeful ginkgo
still waiting for my last suggestion to get delivered :resident_sleeper:
frail mantle
pateince™️
left crest
I like this BR curse idea. It would do a lot to make the BR more interesting for experienced players
The question that should be answered though is, will the HP and damage get adjusted based on their place in the BR? That’d be a lot of work most likely
Or it could not be adjusted and just throw the tiers away with this curse
subtle oracle
Hey, my mana penalty removal suggestion has 22 ⭐ s, i guess people like it then?
gusty geode
You need 120 to get it sent to the dev server
Where hopefully it'll be approved
subtle oracle
Oh shit, the approval part is even more IMPOSSIBLE
because Fab is probably going to Diss my suggestion there
gusty geode
Also I've found upvotes aren't a great way to gauge how popular a suggestion is
One got sent recently that the vocal viewers thought was a joke (joke suggestions are against the rules) and the devs said would be shut down immediately if it somehow made it to the server
And it still got 120 upvotes
Found it
I still think this was a good idea tbh
Just had an idea btw
gusty geode
When a suggestion is eligible for the dev server, rather than having it be sent there, have the devs use alternative emotes to up- or down-vote the suggestion as it is in #suggestions-voting
The way things are now, there's a big problem with suggestions in that once they're sent to the server, their fate is left largely ambiguous, as there's no guarantee the poster will even hear back from the devs on it; much less have it be added. Rather than having the discussion be behind closed doors, having the devs state whether they each like or dislike a suggestion publicly in #suggestions-voting would provide clarity for people whose ideas managed to make it that far, but would otherwise risk being sent and then forgotten.
frosty dagger
I still can't that went through
opal barn
i thought merk and other people pinged when a suggestion got implemented\rejected and the like?
gusty geode
Did they?
frail mantle
they do, yes
radiant meadow
ye no
the amount of devs who check the suggestions channel in dev is less than half
gray nebula
if this suggestion gets through I'm gonna downvote it on the channel so you explicitly know its bad
frail mantle
it doesn't happen constantly but every month or so Merk and some others bring back a lift of accepted/denied suggs
frosty dagger
Yea it would take to much time
gray nebula
because it is
radiant meadow
and the amount of devs that even check main is probably even lower
gray nebula
and like
radiant meadow
as it stands, suggestions are and always will be low priority
gray nebula
basically this suggestion entails that : we get sent a link to the suggestion on a private dev channel , we click on the link and we get directed to the suggestion on main then vote on it here then we check the suggestion later to see if it got accepted or not and we discuss these suggestions in another private dev channel?
radiant meadow
the amount of involvement that we are giving out is plenty on top of planned things, bug fixes, spriting shit, etc
gray nebula
sounds like a lot of back n forth to me
gusty geode
Fair enough
I just figured it'd be cool to see what exactly the reception to each sent sug was
frail mantle
i mean, you already do
either it's accepted or it's denied
gray nebula
just ask a dev if you really want to know 4head
and also why the devs denied it /accepted it is more important than knowing how many devs up/downvoted it
frosty dagger
Summoner contacted my about the DoG sug
Though there wasn't much to discuss why it was denied
Can you blow up obsidean pre boss
radiant meadow
yes
gray nebula
I'm named iban, summoner god is a wacky nickname
radiant meadow
okay summoner
subtle oracle
Short summary, devs have litlle to care about in terms of suggestions... They are there, but dont matter that much
gray nebula
ok eirika, Twin of Ephraim
frosty dagger
Hmm, I don't think that would be a good sug though
still imp
Cosmic Guardian from DoG should have any kind of indicator to show where they are.
Reasons:
-Not fun
-Those with lower resolutions are further punished
-Especially frustrating in death-mode
-Unfair to the player
Criticisms?
radiant meadow
brothers and perf worms have map icons
still imp
wow really
radiant meadow
but cosmic guardians could use map icons I suppose
cyan glen
I think they don't need to have because of the 3 seconds and they are not even mini-bosses from the boss, they are just summons for ''support'' DoG
They are not hard to kill, just a few seconds for kill one
still imp
ahh i understand but i myself am playing deathmode and the second it touches me i lose almost half my hp.. because idk where they're coming from and even then if it doesnt touch me i lose focus on the boss because im too busy looking for it
cyan glen
I played it in DAD mode, also how you can be that focused by a giant cosmic worm, you can slow down for not getting hit
still imp
oh what do you mean by this? " also how you can be that focused by a giant cosmic worm, you can slow down for not getting hit"
also very impressive on dad mode :0
I've been trying to kill him for hours now im only death defiled as summoner and just getting sick of these worms
cyan glen
Sorry, I explained bad, DoG isn't that difficult of dodge, and is very big, the only problem are the lasers and maybe the head. And when they are summoned you have 3 seconds for slow down a bit to prevent a hit
still imp
i just keep getting murdered by them perhaps this is just a git gud call ye kno?
cyan glen
And bc is his first phase, he can't do like wyverns attack aggresion
still imp
wait so he removes aggro for 3 seconds when they spawn?
or ohh u mean the 3 second invulnerability from them
cyan glen
DoG, in the first phase can't move that freely
still imp
perhaps i fly too much which makes him go to his agression mode
alright ill try my best
still imp
ye
cyan glen
uuuh, I don't really recommend you a mount, at least for my experience, dash in DoG is pretty useful
and Defiled rune can stil have the little time of wings
still imp
ahh no i only use it when my moab runs out of jumps and no discord tp as an emergency
cuz the worm pops in my screen i just panic and try to fly/tp away so thats why i hope my suggestion is out there
still imp
yea it saves me sometimes i notice how it doesnt hurt me which is nice
cyan glen
Well, try that, and if you haven't played second phase DoG in this 2 updates, I will warn you that don't get to close to his head
still imp
ive gotten to second phase yea but its uncommon rate but im glad theres no cosmic worms
(i think...? ive only got him to around 60%)
shell grotto
@queen delta I like the boss rush idea, but to add on to that, before you beat it, the order should be specific, just so that the challenge before finishing is still linear, testing the players' own strength and endurance in a form where you are honestly stressed as it progresses.
still imp
@cyan glen alright i listened to what you said but it has only helped a little. and the 3 second invulnerability for them is also kind of a downside because i cant kill them right away. also my summon weapon sirius i just realised may target the cosmic guardian so when i see it gives a slight indicator and it really helps alot because it organizes the way i think. although i do appreciate the advice i tend to be dying/getting distracted by them less now! using the abyss worm hook also helps even though i dont know where they are
cyan glen
Also, you can do a old strategy that I did with all classes, that use the reaper or the other versión for kill the cosmics
And that's good
still imp
reaper tooth necklace?
still imp
hmm okay ill keep using it if it increases my dps with minions
cyan glen
👌
still imp
ahh ill just do it tomorrow im sick of dog
storm mantle
Is there a way for the calamity mod rogue to scale with throwing stuff from other mods, because it kinda sucks only being able to use rogue weapons while the throwing dont scale
wooden wedge
Pretty sure that's a no
And I don't think that this is the right place for that question
@lavish goblet calamity doesn't balance it's stuff around other mods
And the charm doesn't affect only the calamity pots
It affects all of them
lavish goblet
Even if we take alchemistnpc out of this, what's the point of making short duration pots if you can spam them anyway?
hollow shell
Intensive on your resources
You gotta pay a lot of money to be able to spam them
Everclear is 25 gold
sorry, 10 gold
wooden wedge
Hell even in alch NPC they nerf the prices of all pots if you even have calamity on
wooden wedge
That'd be more for the alchNPC discord
hollow shell
If you wanna redo your argument to take AlchNPC out of the equation, you've gotta edit your suggestion
wooden wedge
Which idk if it has suggestions in it
lavish goblet
done, is it better?
wooden wedge
I don't really get it
Do you mean a debuff that prevents you from drinking more pots?
Like potion sickness?
lavish goblet
yes, a debuff that prevents you from spamming the same pot over and over
wooden wedge
Wouldn't that spam your buff slots
hollow shell
Everclear reduces your regen by 10 and your defense by 40
and you can't have too many drinks active at once, or you'll die to Alcohol Poisoning
wooden wedge
If not, then how'd you balance the debuff duration?
lavish goblet
I guess it's true... also I somehow did not knew about alcohol poisoning, where do you see that?
hollow shell
wooden wedge
When you drink more than 3 of cirruses drinks you get a pretty strong debuff
hollow shell
If you have 3 alcohols active at once, you start dying
(Everclear counts as 2 alcohols)
lavish goblet
Maybe I should actually have tried alcohols before suggesting that, i'll remove my suggestion. sorry!
hollow shell
Aight
lavish goblet
Having 20 cirrus pots at once sounded broken in my head since they most have crazy effects but alcohol poisoning completely changes that
hollow shell
m
I think you'd be dying anyway considering they all have regen reductions
I may need to add Alcohol Poisoning to all of the alcohol pages
lavish goblet
in their tooltip too maybe
ashen warren
Didn’t we conclude previously that randomized boss rush would be hard to implement
hollow shell
Yes
ashen warren
Did that sugg not have to get taken down last time?
hollow shell
I don't remember
ashen warren
I still starred it tho don’t sue me
frosty dagger
Inculde text on the moab that says it grants jumps and not just flight.
It says "The mother of all balloons
Counts as wings
[wing stats]"
Currently, because the moab counts as wings and defiled ignores wings, it's really misleading leads people to believe it doesn't work with defiled. Right now, moab is the only real option at that point and this makes several fights unessissarrily difficult because of a simple miscommunication. An easy fix would be to just add that it works with defiled on to the moab and make the playthroughs of people who play with defiled much easier.
Example: "The mother of all balloons
Grants jumps and flight"
radiant meadow
it is affected
frosty dagger
Just the jetpack portion
Its kinda difficult to say, it all works but the jetpack potion, that's confusing
hollow shell
Saying that it isn't affected by Defiled would be even more misleading
because Defiled doesn't affect any extra jumps anyway
radiant meadow
mhm
frosty dagger
I was just talking to someone who didn't use it because they thought is wouldn't work in general. How about, "the jumps from moab aren't affected by defiled" or something
hollow shell
Better to add a disclaimer to Defiled Rune saying that it doesn't affect jumps
distant gyro
jumps aren't affected by defiled in general
hollow shell
cuz it aint just Moab
sand umbra
double jumps of any kind are never affected by Defiled
distant gyro
except ravager
frosty dagger
Yea that's a better idea
frosty dagger
I'll restructure it
radiant meadow
ye, that has nothing to do with defiled
ravager just disables certain double jumps
distant gyro
it should already be clear that jumps are jumps and flight is flight
radiant meadow
perhaps reword it
to Wing flight is disabled
rather than Wings do nothing
on the defiled tooltip
hollow shell
Or "Wings do nothing (jumps still work)"
hollow shell
Prolly.
God damn it the wiki page for MOAB doesn't say anything about flight
You can fly after expending all your jumps, right?
radiant meadow
yes
hollow shell
Okay
radiant meadow
for how ever many frames the tooltip says
hollow shell
(oh shit that was frames the whole time?)
hollow shell
Gotcha. Useful to know
radiant meadow
I thought that was obvious and figured it out on day 1
but I stare at code and wiki too much probably
hollow shell
I figured it was just some arbitrary number... like the vertical and horizontal speeds
wait vertical speeds aren't even listed
frosty dagger
Include text on the defiled rune tooltip that says it doesn't affect jumps, and only wings. Example, "wings do nothing but extra jumps still work" or "wing flight is disabled".
Currently, it's confusing on whether or not it affects jumps. Take the moab for example, the jumps work but the jetpack portion doesn't. Some people assume that this means the entirety of the moab doesn't work because it counts as wings. The tooltip on defiled rune can lead people to believing that these options simply don't work and this can cause frustration and unessissary difficulty that can be easily fixed.
That reasoning is really acward
I was having trouble finding how to word it well
hollow shell
Reasoning seems understandable but if you wanna word it better then feel free to try
radiant meadow
I think "Wing flight is disabled" is fine
and keeps it short and to the point
I can just do it now
before I head to bed
Wing flight is disabled and enemies can critically hit you
frosty dagger
I think Ive finished editing it, unless y'all have something
frosty dagger
Hmm
radiant meadow
"Counts as wings\n" +
"Horizontal speed: 6.5\n" +
"Acceleration multiplier: 1\n" +
"Good vertical speed\n" +
"Flight time: 75\n" +
"Increases jump height and allows auto-jump\n" +
"Grants the player cloud, blizzard, and sandstorm double jumps");```maybe change "double" to "mid-air"
so they don't think they have 7 total jumps
frosty dagger
Inculde text on the moab that says it grants jumps and not just flight.
It says "The mother of all balloons
Counts as wings
[wing stats]"
Currently, because the moab counts as wings and defiled ignores wings, it's really misleading and leads people to believe it doesn't work with defiled. Right now, moab is the only real option at that point and this makes several fights unessissarrily difficult because of a simple miscommunication. An easy fix would be to just add that it add jumps and not just flight on to the moab. This would make the playthroughs of people who play with defiled much easier and less confusing.
Example: "The mother of all balloons
Grants jumps and flight"
radiant meadow
alright, mid-air it is
hollow shell
So both Defiled and MOAB tooltips changed?
radiant meadow
mhm
frosty dagger
I deleted the other one
frosty dagger
Wow
frosty dagger
I didn't realize you were ben
That's my B though, because it was basically spelled out
radiant meadow
yes, I am still Ben
indigo fog
wasn't the focus in the DoG fight put more onto dodging DoG himself instead of projectiles when he got changed in 1.4.2.105 to be a lot faster and dangerous
a ML deathray doesn't fit and laser walls and god slayer fireballs are already enough
do we need to buff DoG anyway
hollow shell
@elfin ibex You're going to need to elaborate a lot more than that
zenith hazel
DoG's already a pretty challenging fight in rev+, not just accounting laser walls
phase 2 gets a lot harder as the fight progresses since DoG's speed will increase exponentially
elfin ibex
i'll write with supplement later
hollow shell
Thank you
subtle oracle
OH SHIT, Yatagarasu's suggestion is getting sent to the dev discord!!! We'll just have to se if Fab ore some other devs will approve of it, PepeLaugh
zenith hazel
I don't think something like that warrants that kind of reaction but sure
worthy fiber
Suggestions really aren't that special 
hazy timber
I can see why it's popular, although I still wouldn't do boss rush twice kek
shell lynx
I’m just surprised at how fast it got voted up
turbid pike
because coloured name
versed mica
It’s also a pretty nice suggestion
gray nebula
/!\ bruh alert /!\
frail mantle
Can it really be considered a part of the mod if it was never really a part of the mod, but only planned content 
gray nebula
just donate to the patreon if you want an andromeda reference to get added 4head
frail mantle
radiant meadow
Would Ziggums be okay with it?
gray nebula
just like what YuH did to get the slime back
gray nebula
also if we get the rights to add a reference to andromeda don't make her a pet, make her a summoner weapon for drae..,
brittle nexus
What even is andromeda, never heard of this 
quiet abyss
A scrapped planned boss from a long time ago
radiant meadow
Massive robot thing
worthy fiber
Vanities mod for the pet I guess, but it isn't out yet
brittle nexus
Hm, yea just searched it up to check out what it was like, interesting concept
Was probably a good reason for it to not be implemented, though
quiet abyss
The amount of spriting and coding required would be 
Especially since it's like twice as big as moon lord.
Not to mention even balancing it.
brittle nexus
Looks like just spriting/animating would be a difficult task by itself, let alone everything else about it
ashen warren
yats suggestion always get accepted cuz like he has a fuckton of roles and his explanation is always long af and the sentences link together so like even if u dont know what hes talking about you'll still be like him what hes talking about makes sense let me star it 
psychology
radiant meadow
that's still only a fraction of the suggestion process though
cyan glen
I have a sugg, and idk if is possible to do and is a bit boring but:
Make all Slime or similars summons more aggresive/powerful in death mode. In death mode the slimes are more aggresive, so why not do that with the slimes summons? they have a really bad AI and doesn't take to much protagonism in game.
karmic stone
Summons are not enemies
cyan glen
Ik
weary walrus
slime summons are fine as they are now
radiant meadow
Why would death mode arbitrarily make your weapons stronger?
cyan glen
The slimes are more aggresive in death mode and have a better AI, so why not do that in Slime summons too? I don't say more dmg or dps, just a better AI
indigo fog
Make all Slime or similars summons more aggresive/powerful in death mode.
Why would you buff a weapon and then lock that buff behind the hardest difficulty
what
cyan glen
Bc the Slime AI is more aggresive in death, I just wanted to know if was good the idea
radiant meadow
Weapons aren't enemies and shouldn't be treated the same
cyan glen
Well that's true, Sorry for bothering
autumn lion
ashen warren
I don’t think I get it
opal barn
andromeda was a thing
loud steeple
The fuck is Andromeda?
indigo fog
it was a scrapped planned boss from a long time ago
loud steeple
How long ago exactly?
indigo fog
not exactly sure
frail mantle
basically just a huge phuckin chonker of a mechanical boss
frail mantle
was scrapped a couple of years ago iirc
loud steeple
Make sense for it to be a couple years ago
It's a interesting idea for a boss
Kinda reminds me of Providence
hollow idol
Here is what the face looks like (ignore the body just imagine the monitor on the gif above)
gray nebula
reading the don'ts is too hard
opal barn
implying people read rules
hollow idol
not reading the dont should be a dont
gray nebula
also yuh, you should have sent the full andromeda with the legs smh
indigo fog
also
hollow idol
that ones unfinished
indigo fog
it wont be accepted ever
hollow saffron
f
woeful ginkgo
my previous suggestion still hasn't been delivered yet :resident_sleeper:
opal barn
🤫
hollow idol
Patience is a virtue
woeful ginkgo
byeah i'll go back to waiting
low hedge
bruh
hollow idol
“Unfortunately”
low hedge
perhaps you could remind them about it again
gray nebula
what was the suggestionm
cyan lagoon
Check class content iban
gray nebula
wegud
gusty geode
Tbh that sounds like a bug
shell grotto
Our true nemesis of balance should be platforms lol
Almost necessary item for nearly every pre HM and hard-mode boss and a lot of the post ML ones too
gusty geode
Yeah
Read something about how a lot of bosses suffer from not being able to function as well in a player-built arena
distant gyro
venerated locket is not lying though, it does summon a copy of the projectile
pallid brook
Fuckem
frail mantle
pallid brook
It also makes it more f u n
indigo fog
uh you need to add a reason to your suggestion
and the reason needs to be better than "more fun"
pallid brook
Wall of flesh has no ability to pull the player close to it, most other bosses solve this by rushing at the player. Wall of flesh is the exception as it can't increase its own speed based on player distance
frail mantle
waffle can doe
indigo fog
WoF rushes to the player when they're too far away in rev+
pallid brook
Too far, difference is that is a prevention, this is a attack
It would also make those who build arenas have to be aware of him just up and plopping a wall behind them
frail mantle
i feel like him just randomly cockblocking you with a random wall would be annoying
pallid brook
Yeahhh I did not think about the fact it would be random
ashen warren
wof also rushes at you if you're hiding behind a wall
crude geode
It would be like if Signus just put a wall behind you instead of cosmilamps
pallid brook
wait were does the wizard come from again... What if we had a demon wizard that is flipping through a book and lifts his hand to cast the ice blockade,
would help explain his horrid memory
wouldn't it be like the true eye of cuthulu
he got leeches in his noggin
and to balance it would likely not be active out of the gate
Probably it would get the most effect if it spawned at 25% health point, as the speed buff that the wof gets based on damage would pair with the effect to give a greater sense of panic, and what is to come
probably needs more balance, spawning solid blocks is cool and all but...kinda low effort compared to alternates... *Flesh chunks?*Little things of flesh summoned by the wizard into this relm that spawns 3 hungries and disappears after they die?
lost agate
hollow shell
You should edit your suggestion, Dreamer
cuz, it's quite minimal and hard to understsnd atm
Mostly with regards to adding a reason
pallid brook
Yeah, I'ma go do that
hollow shell
aight, thanks
frail mantle
WoF's difficulty comes from making the arena iirc
pallid brook
Gah I just finished typing all that
hollow shell
"As we have a need a new companion npc to work with it to avoid texture conflicts with other mods editing the hek out of him and give a unique easily identifyable charge up and result we can just use a actual npc from the game that only appears post WoF, the wizard!"
What!?
pallid brook
oh fuck I didn't notice my class is doing a quiz
gray nebula
what the fuck is that suggestion
it's not because it's a massive paragraph that it's better
lost agate
oh this is gonna be fun
gray nebula
I can't understand anything
hollow shell
I appreciate the elaboration
But I also don't understand some of it
Also I'm noticing a lot of very specific ideas in the second half of this
pallid brook
Mostly I used that as a reference for how the ability would work and it's behavior.
hollow shell
You don't need to specify the exact behavior, in fact that's discouraged
gray nebula
also are you suggesting a vanilla recolormmm
pallid brook
No I avoided that
hollow shell
Gives the devs less freedom to work with your idea and also gives people more points to disagree with you over
pallid brook
Fair point, I sorta went overboard with the elaboration
Basic format without all of that is that the wall of flesh puts obstacles in way to increase tension and gives a unique challenge
hollow shell
You could have left it at "In Death Mode, give the Wall of Flesh an attack that creates Ice Rod's temporary blocks in the player's path, forcing them to navigate more dynamically during the fight instead of running in a straight line."
(Preferably with some more reason elaboration on top of this, but this is a good starting point)
Didn't need that shit about the Wizard minion or what health percentage the attack will start at or having the Wizard summon exactly three Hungries periodically
gray nebula
the wizard minion part barely makes any sense
it comes out from nowhere and it's really unclear what he's supposed to do
brittle nexus
Yea, could definitely cut down on the length
Right now it's like wall of text has awoken
pallid brook
Someone complained about the fact it would be random when the attack occured and I just put a band-aid on it and plopped a different object that would visually show the cool down
hollow shell
Adding some kind of telegraph wouldn't be hard
Some blue sparkles that appear a second or two before the blocks appear
pallid brook
how am I supposed to respond to a solution that is significantly easier to do than my suggestion...
hollow shell
pff
pallid brook
I feel like that one comic where the guy puts his finger up about to say something and immediately puts it back down
potent veldt
I feel like this is a lovecraftian horror of a suggestion
Like, theres words, yes, and I can read it
But absolutely none of it is comprehendible
hollow shell
indeed
potent veldt
I'd genuinely believe that this is an example of letting your phone guess your next word
hollow shell
Naaah
It's somebody who's not used to the suggestions field and letting their idea get out of hand
potent veldt
I know, but lord
pallid brook
Ahh ymg' mgepah yog mgah'n'ghft
potent veldt
Wait, I just realized something
brittle nexus
It's more like a suggestion for a complete overhaul of the wof fight
potent veldt
Is there not a rule on what language a suggestion has to be in??
hollow shell
Server rules say to speak English everywhere
potent veldt
Oh didnt even think to look there lol
pallid brook
Who'd a thunk
dusty stirrup
Can someone give me a resume of that lastest suggestion because my brain can't comprehend it
hollow shell
You can re-edit your sugg whenever you want, Dreamer :P
pallid brook
sssh the frying brains are entertaining and I'm also still mentally compiling it to become more... Human
dusty stirrup
pallid brook
So I need 1) a reason. 2) simplified suggestion. Right??
frail mantle
ye
pallid brook
brittle nexus
I'd also not say every single bit bout the new boss behavior, or the part building up to wizard and stuff
Theres some fluff
pallid brook
How bout "WoF too easy give him obstacles"
hollow shell
Too simple
pallid brook