A lot of elitists, actually
(can say that as one of those, although such intention had wore off over time for me)
#suggestions-discussion
tired haven
The run does have to be terrible for you to consider using pickaxes unironically instead, but that's still a possibility
zealous ridge
ye elitists care probably
truly committing to a hard-start class like summoner is important to some people, even if tool damage is an accident
id say it's a bit of a niche community in calamity, although it's certainly a larger subgroup than others considering calamity's devs leaning more towards that elitist mindset
and i don't mean to use "elitist" as an insult, although it does have a negative connotation
pulsar jay
it wouldn't be considered wings anymore?
just becsuse it's not traditional wings doesn't mean you can't call it wings. Jumping 30 times will produce probably similar flight time to wings, and therefore can be called wings as long as you can still slow fall and it still negates fall damage. If you have a blimp on your back you will slow fall, and a lucky horseshoe is in the recipe. who says it can't be wings
zealous ridge
well, for that we're gonna have to define flight
is flight just vertical ascension ? then why aren't the bundle of balloons wings?
tired haven
^
zealous ridge
does it require slow fall? well, then what about the umbrella?
and, negating fall damage isn't exclusive to wings either
nor is gliding, as i mentioned earlier
tired haven
Well, as far as my own take on wings goes, they all share:
- non-discrete non-zero flight time (defiled smelly)
- glide ability
- fall damage immunity
Bigger bundle of balloons won't be wings, skyline wings with minimal flight time are
zealous ridge
a large amount of jumps is interesting, but alongside that you ask that the extra flight be removed
which isn't ideal for some people
tired haven
btw mounts that are like wings also exist, although they are not accessories thus do not count towards restriction
zealous ridge
post mech-pre plant, they are the highest velocity wings
idk the exact stats of the booster, but moab has that allure
so removing it would be a bit odd, considering right now it uses jetpack in its recipe
frosty dagger
Moab upgrade?
So wings become more diverse post ml, and it would help with Yharon for those who think of it.
zealous ridge
a moab upgrade has been suggested before
specifically, a sis before the ban
and i think a guideline-following one shortly after the ban?
frosty dagger
Nvm
zealous ridge
i do think it was a bit long
that might be part of it
less people want to read it
plus, as broken as it is, a lot of people wouldn't want to see it go
mostly because it makes SCal way less punishing, and some people want that option to be open to them
frosty dagger
Likely
hollow shell
The thing about Draconic Elixir is that you need to drink it every time you revive
and it costs a YSF for each one
autumn lion
true
zealous ridge
mhm
autumn lion
i personally never use the draconic elixir
zealous ridge
but it's fair to note, ysf arent too hard to come across, considering how much the grind is made easier by exo weapons and the auric tesla
really, i found what was holding me back the most were the herbs
hollow shell
heh
zealous ridge
but these can be grown easily with a large enough farm
gray nebula
also that last point is kinda dumb
because auric already has a revive
"who would use shadowspec over auric?"
people who can dodge probably
zealous ridge
theres more to it than the revives, i feel
hollow shell
m
No-hitters, speedrunners, people who like challenge and/or big DPS
zealous ridge
but fair point, i think it was one of the weaker hits of the sugg
hollow shell
s'mostly the DPS
gray nebula
yeah it's like "who's gonna use omega blue /reaper shark necklace"
different playstylesmm
tired haven
thing with RTN is that it's actually viable and unquestionable increase
zealous ridge
truthfully, the RTN omega blue strategy is a lot harder to pull off
or at least, harder to pull off than the greater survivability of the on-tier armor sets
they can work, for sure
tired haven
Demonshade looks like a decent damage growth with that enrage mechanic but then you have auric that has wombo-combo of effects you don't need to activate every 10 seconds/new enemy
zealous ridge
yeah its for cal pros but not everyones a cal pro
is it unreasonable to say that an "average" player would stay with the greater survivability sets?
tired haven
It's for calamity nohitters imho
Professionals will pick auric because it gives them more variety and safety net since anything can happen during a fight
zealous ridge
eh, it isnt easy to say who will use what
frosty dagger
You just get so much extra health with auric that even if you are a god at the game if you aren't no-hitting auric is vetter
gray nebula
yes but that's doesn't mean that pro sets can't exist 
tired haven
Gotta note that nohitter isn't a professional neither professionals are nohitters
frail mantle
^
zealous ridge
and dont get me wrong i love the variety that these off-main shoots give
gray nebula
OK there's not a lot of them but options for pro gamers are cool
also I'm using professional as a joke 
frail mantle
I’m a nohitter and I’m far from a professional
zealous ridge
yeah, i wasn't saying that they should be removed or anything lmao
tired haven
zealous ridge
we're talking about draconic elixir
frosty dagger
It's cool, but also so much worse would you rather have 2x damage or 3x health
gray nebula
I'm talking about szeth's suggestionm
tired haven
Draconic elixir is overtuned for regular potion power
That's about it
zealous ridge
uh yeah, which is about draconic elixir
gray nebula
I'm talking about his last point of auric over shadowspecm
zealous ridge
m yes
gray nebula
because its not just the draconic elixir that will make people choose one over the other
zealous ridge
uh yes
there's both revives, the effects that come along with that, extra set bonuses
tired haven
It could be just +400 direct hp heal over 10 seconds and already be both aesthetical and healthy change
frosty dagger
The only time you could possibly die that late is Yharon, death DoG, Scal, or br
You can afford the ption for those circumstances
gray nebula
that's lategame for you yes
tired haven
Yeah ik
hollow shell
big funny Draconic Elixir balance:
Make the buff only last 1 minute
gray nebula
also at least edit your suggestion to include a solution instead of paragraphs of reasoning
frosty dagger
That's actually fair
tired haven
Revivify 2.0?
gray nebula
wacky and uncharacteristic potion
zealous ridge
iban is an anomalous being
frosty dagger
Edited
zealous ridge
eh, 3rd point is still there
its not that much shorter, and also its probably not wise to change it this far in
we could work on a resuggest when its time is up
frosty dagger
I still believe that the third point is correct, but I might bring it back up later
zealous ridge
i think a bit of elaboration on why you think that would help, rather than flippantly stating it's dumb
the fluff in the first point can be cut down a lot too
second point can be cut down a bit
again i would wait for it to reach it's resuggest date
but either way its fine ig
stoic tide
actually
there's no need for drinking draconic elixir
just farm a few yharons and craft 120 of them l o l
hollow shell
If you're talking about how having a ton of one potion in your inventory gives you a permanent buff without needing to drink them
that's Luiafk
stoic tide
rly
autumn lion
yeah
hollow shell
Yeah, universal change, so it works with any modded potions
stoic tide
oh nvm
autumn lion
luiafk unlimited buffs/ammo works with any mods as long as you have the requirements
autumn lion
means 30 pots in inv, 3996 ammo in inv, and other things like that
distant gyro
120 pots for infinite is fargo's
tired haven
60*
foggy plover
wat?
frail mantle
reverting non-linearity moment
karmic stone
@ashen warren Suggs to negate non-linearity are in the don'ts
small talon
^
karmic stone
You can just not do it
ashen warren
well I am playing masorev...
distant gyro
okokok
terse sundial
The Heavenfallen Stardisk is fine
distant gyro
you should expect all calamity bosses to be expectedly easier to do with masorev on
terse sundial
it requires a bit of skill to use
subtle oracle
Yeah, it deals maximum damage when you fly upwards
distant gyro
inb4 fargo enchant moments
terse sundial
probably ^
distant gyro
anyways yea expect aureus to be easy if you play masorev
karmic stone
Psst, if Clam bosses die too quickly you can boost their health in Clam's config lol masorev cringe
ashen warren
only enchantments I have are statigel and wulfrum
distant gyro
it's tough for normal people to sequence break aureus pre-plantera like that
karmic stone
25% is not fat yea
terse sundial
raiders is godly
ashen warren
slingers essence and bionomic cluster would have to be to blame
not using raiders talisman alongside nanotech
scrub
radiant meadow
raider's is nerfed iirc
for next update
on a side note
raider's and nanotech don't stack
so using both is a waste
frosty dagger
Nerf dmode skeletron primes health.
I clocked it at 8min and 58 sec with the following gear and five adrenaline: megashark and clorophyte bullets (did brimmy first) for phase one, Daedelus bow and holy arrows for phase two, Daedelus armor, menacing amalgated brain, ambrosial ampoule, worm scarf, ranger emblem, angel trees, moab in phase one and starling wings in phase two. I also was using endurance, life force, archery, swiftness, regen, ironskin, pho, and aquatic scourge lore (had to buff up multiple times).
This is way to long, you shouldn't need five adrenaline to just barely kill him in time. I think the amount of damage you take is fair, but for such a dodgy boss this is simply to much health.
distant gyro
I don't think he should be any harder on projectiles/damage
left crest
but nerfing his health is absolutely logical, I'd go as far as to say needed
frosty dagger
Idk, I didn't have much issues not dying, but that might because I am used to sprimes previous bs
tired haven
I believe that prime is nerfed in upcoming update already but yeah, I can agree he is a tad beefy for a dodgy boss
distant gyro
no it was nerfed last update
tired haven
hmm
frosty dagger
Ok, I changed the sug to just change head health
distant gyro
- Limbs HP decreased to 9.45k, 12.15k, 8.1k for Cannon, Vice/Saw, and Laser respectively. This brought the Total HP from 94,800 to 90,150.
- All limbs and the head now have 20% DR instead of 25%```And that was last update
I didn't do sprimes last update that must have sucked
Anyway... I'm going to post it
small talon
zealous ridge
@unique wadiAAAA sorry i didnt mean to ping you
frosty dagger
Can you remove that
distant gyro
seemingly meme suggestion be like
frail mantle
wrong person ping moment
zealous ridge
oh wait SHIT
gray nebula
br
zealous ridge
fuck
distant gyro
@terse sundial 
unique wadi
WHO DE FOOK
zealous ridge
im sorRY
civic pond
zealous ridge
your names are very similar
unique wadi
lol no
distant gyro
mfw pinging the wrong person btw
unique wadi
Np*
civic pond
merktheclerk
zealous ridge
bruih
unkempt bolt
meme suggestion
unique wadi
erktheclerkn't
terse sundial
oh
zealous ridge
distant gyro
🐝 moment
terse sundial
@tribal remnant no meme suggestions, that will be a warn
tribal remnant
ight
frosty dagger
frosty dagger
Not me
unique wadi
reported
frosty dagger
I actually had one go through (somehow)
pulsar jay
what was the meme suggestion
frail mantle
nothing important
pulsar jay
but what if it was funny
frosty dagger
Rejected
frail mantle
no
pulsar jay
terse sundial
you should probably get on topic now
ashen warren
Apparently people would rather say nothing than abide by the topic of the chat.
My prime fight was like 2:45
frosty dagger
How?
keen geyser
yeah prime fight definitely doesn't take 9 minutes
frosty dagger
I might just be bad, but it took me that long
abstract roost
It doesnt take 9 minutes but i do agree it is pretty long
frosty dagger
I looked at my DPS during the fight (240 abridge when I actually hit prime with megashark during phase two) and did the math, it would take 6.26 minutes with no adrenaline and if I was hitting prime the entire time with my megashark
Nasty reforge
ashen warren
Whats ur dps in arms phase
frosty dagger
It was a bit higher but super inconsistent
ashen warren
around how much
Prime’s dps guideline is like 1500 with non existent glass cannon at early hm
frosty dagger
I would say like 275~300
ashen warren
Thats way too little
frosty dagger
Unreal deadelus stormbow
ashen warren
I got like that +1000
frosty dagger
He is hard to hit
I wasn't running glass cannon, but you can see my gear in the sug
ashen warren
Even megashark chloros do better in arms phase
frosty dagger
Sometimes
hallow kraken
levi pet?
foggy plover
levi pet? lol
distant gyro
- levi pet
- death mode sug
tired haven
hallow kraken
also, I can taste some salt from that sug
distant gyro
also 3. salt lol
foggy plover
scal is technically optional too
tired haven
Man, there is a lot of salt, it even sprayed on my wound up there
lavish cloak
You can craft some of the most powerful weapons in the game with calamitous essence. Also boss rush
distant gyro
also please spell rogue correctly @lavish cloak
zealous ridge
god damn, the scal suggestion is really damn aggressive
tired haven
btw revengeance mode and death mode scal are almost identical fights currently
distant gyro
and it still will be, iirc
hallow kraken
Either I’m dumb or remember seeing that a scal pet will be added in changelogs
I’m not dumb
hallow kraken
alright ignore that last statement
hollow idol
this is your trophy
teal ibex
yikes, this is a crash course in how not to appeal to a dev team
lavish cloak
Your trophy is a friend. The best reward of all
tawdry cliff
Im not trying to appeal. It's just a real fact.
zealous ridge
okay
teal ibex
you most certainly are, even if you disagree with the idea
zealous ridge
but you were very not nice to the devs about it
lavish cloak
The devs ain’t gonna add shit if you’re passive aggressive in your sug
tawdry cliff
Sorry I'm running on caffeine at the moment after my all nighter
zealous ridge
telling them to give you something for beating a hard boss being so annoyed, probably won't generate much support
tawdry cliff
Not passive aggressive. Just make it worth the fight at least.
teal ibex
in that event, get it out of your system and maybe remove the part where you chose to be exceedingly condescending about an opinion
zealous ridge
and like... i guess understandable? i would remove the suggestion for now or at least rewrite to make it nicer
tawdry cliff
And she drops the end game items anyway why drop the essence in the first place?
teal ibex
she doesn't drop everything made from it
zealous ridge
well, it is a more reliable way to get them all
distant gyro
because she only drops 1 item?
tired haven
I mean, if you know exactly why you chose such edgy writing, why not fix one?
Also she doesn't drop armor
zealous ridge
plus, yeah not everything made with shadowspec is in scals drop pool
distant gyro
who in their right minds would grind for all the items when you can craft them
tawdry cliff
But after you beat Scal and boss rush there's nothing left to do in the game. Just self imposed challenges and some kind of fulfillment?
zealous ridge
mhm
tired haven
Yes?
hallow kraken
yes
tired haven
I mean, you use scal weps on br
distant gyro
well, once you obtain the last prism in vanilla what do you do?
zealous ridge
because the other stuff isn't finished yet, first of all, and second of all, that's not a real flaw thats just what happens when you reach the end of the game
tired haven
BR itself doesn't drop anything but the rock that is trophy
hallow kraken
ever heard of a “sandbox game”
lavish cloak
Beating boss rush gives you a rock
zealous ridge
tbh, i understand your frustration aethereal
its really annoying to do some really hard shit and feel like you are rewarded nothing
but, the suggestion is probably not going to be recieved well by devs in current state
distant gyro
but also you signed up for this
teal ibex
on the flipside, it's worth mentioning that there are games with similarly extreme challenges with epic rewards that receive considerable criticism for the decision, since it locks a majority of players out of accessing said content due to the inherent skill requirement
it's not all black and white in this situation, and while it's disappointing for you to not get it despite completing the task, the inverse can also be true assuming we add some epic scal deathmode only summon baby
distant gyro
you commited to your efforts to a difficulty-based death mode in a known-for-being-difficult calamity
on the superboss, a boss that is intentional and much harder by design
tawdry cliff
I just want her trophy. I have an empty space on my wall where her head should be beside Yharons.
distant gyro
beating her is the satisfaction
gusty geode
Also Levi pet
tawdry cliff
My resentment over powers my fulfillment.
zealous ridge
for now, at least thats the idea
tawdry cliff
Also Levi just takes up a space that hermit uses.
hollow shell
You should at least mention the pet in your sugg
And yeah hermit's box was reworked
tawdry cliff
Ugh
tired haven
vehemence in the weapon rack is the best trophy, at least as long as your world doesn't end up corrupted, heh
Hermit stopped being musthave pet in last update
distant gyro
god people really only use hermit for the utility, great it was changed
gusty geode
Also
Does she not drop a random dev weapon on expert+ anymore
That could be considered a decent reward
distant gyro
she only drops a random dev wep in expert+ yes
hollow shell
p sure she still does
tired haven
Why did you mention "only one drop" then, altix?
Or was it about levi pet after all?
sand umbra
something something [[Vehemence]]
red stormBOT
distant gyro
the what
tired haven
Well yes but like
sand umbra
blah blah [[Levi]] blah blah
red stormBOT
tired haven
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/686380416466419748 I meant this quote btw
sand umbra
(read: SCal already has a special Death-exclusive drop, does she really need another)
distant gyro
Ah, @tired haven
And she drops the end game items anyway why drop the essence in the first place?
because she only drops 1 item?
who in their right minds would grind for all the items when you can craft them
gusty geode
What led to having to prep for a whole 8 hours anyway
distant gyro
she drops 1 dev item, of course the essences exist to bypass the grind
distant gyro
I was referring to the 1/18 shadowspec weapons yes
sand umbra
mfw two Shadowspec weps can't even drop
zealous ridge
and endo but that's being fixed i believe
tawdry cliff
It's not even worth arguing over anymore. I've beaten the game as it stands so I'm moving on to a new mod. I will admit Calamity was an incredibly captivating and well done mod that I've sunk well over 100 hours into and if I could change ever playing it I wouldn't. The bosses were incredible, new functions and items, just everything was basically perfect and made terraria its own game. I am fulfilled for beating the super boss and thankful for the dev team for even making this masterpiece.
sand umbra
Elex is a Shadowspec wep
but according to the wiki, it's not dedicated to anyone + it doesn't drop from SCal
so like hmmmst
distant gyro
Elex is a reference weapon lol
hollow shell
Okay well at least you've got the acceptance, Aethereal
zealous ridge
well glad you enjoyed the experience, aethereal
distant gyro
I guess it's dedicated to blah in a way
hollow shell
Thanks for your time
distant gyro
but the fact that it's not dev kinda makes the drop go poof
gusty geode
Also
SCal isn't even the final boss
So I'd stick around if I were you
zealous ridge
looks like ae went through the stages of scal's theme lmao
hollow shell
well, depends on when you do BR
zealous ridge
and also, the other bosses aren't added yet aethereal so don't worry
distant gyro
just stay tuned for the new bosses news
gusty geode
Should have a new one coming out
Hopefully this year?
And then another 3 or 4 later down the line
hollow shell
Hopefully this year.
tawdry cliff
You fucking kidding me
hollow shell
lol
zealous ridge
tawdry cliff
Uuuggghhhh
hollow shell
Don't worry, it ain't soon
zealous ridge
dont worry scal will be nerfed from superboss status too
tawdry cliff
You bastards drug me back in.
zealous ridge
LOL
gusty geode
Still have no idea what's up with this guy that's exclusive to the non-canon boss rush but is apparently canon themselves
I think
distant gyro
oblivion is yes
tawdry cliff
It's supposed to be the final page of the book and the act of closing it
I do it to all the games I play symbolic bullshit
hollow shell
The mod will be expanded in other ways then, too
so it'd be nice to do a new playthrough
maybe with a different class or somethin
gusty geode
I'm just gonna move to #lore-discussion to find out just whomst'd've the fuck Oblivion is if anyone needs me
wide flicker
same here
pulsar jay
why would you fucking remove calamitous essense
who the fuck would GRIND SUPREME CALAMITAS
the fight is like 5 minutes long and is hard as fuck
zealous ridge
uh wat
pulsar jay
do NOT try and make us have to grind the hardest boss in the game
zealous ridge
who was talking about that?
zealous ridge
okay
pulsar jay
i couldn't help but comment because it was so dumb
tawdry cliff
What
gusty geode
Tbf
You grind Yharon a lot
He looks pretty brutal too
foggy plover
scal would have her own loot pool thats not dev stuff, and wouldnt be a super boss
tawdry cliff
Who would take her place? Xeroc?
gusty geode
First Yharim
Then Noxus
Then yeah, Xeroc
pulsar jay
the final boss will probably always be the one to drop the dev shit
so yesh it'll move sround
around*
gusty geode
On a somewhat related note
Both Noxus and Xeroc are superbosses, right?
Is Xeroc a superboss compared to the superboss?
Or is he just a regular boss after the superboss?
hollow shell
Both of them are super, yes
gusty geode
I'm just a bit concerned cuz the stats and effects we have are quite frankly already starting to get out of hand
Worried we might reach a point where the worst weapon in a tier might surpass a million DPS
Or every accessory available might have a tooltip the size of SoE's 
wide flicker
Lowest stat weapon in a teir doesn't reach integer overflow, so the actual best weapon is a broken wooden hammer
gusty geode
2 superboss-sized jumps just seems
Overkill to me
pulsar jay
SoE?
abstract roost
Eathereal be like “material that makes the best things in game, lol that’s kinda worthless”
delicate marsh
Can't wait for breaker tracers.
gusty geode
Soul of Eternity
That thing's tooltip just about covers the whole screen
wide flicker
Imma look that up on the wiki real quick
gusty geode
It's a Fargo thing
If you didn't know
gusty geode
Lel
hollow shell
iirc they actually changed it
so its tooltip now rapidly scrolls through all the effects in one line
wide flicker
That sounds somehow worse
hollow shell
lol
unkempt bolt
the most recent suggestion seems more like an angry complaint than an actual suggestion lol
wary canyon
lul
toxic kettle
I guess Levi isn't special enough
indigo fog
Does this count as a death mode exclusive item suggestion because the rules literally say those won't be accepted
toxic kettle
Also not sure if the word "shit" in the last sentence is just a vulgar replacement for "stuff" or if they actually mean "shit"
unkempt bolt
im fairly certain this is a death mode exclusive item suggestion
because said item would be death mode exclusive
and i mean
the suggestion clearly comes from frustration at not feeling validated for the time they chose to spend
instead of actually believing their idea will make the mod better
indigo fog
how the hell do you take 8 and a half minutes to kill skeletron prime
for me it's at most 4
toxic kettle
I took that long
unkempt bolt
oh sweet an excuse to time a boss kill
be back in hopefully less than 8 and a half minutes
indigo fog
Ok I just got 2:12 with this gear in death mode with spear of destiny
5 menacing 1 quick
no i didn't use everdlear
how does that fight last 8 minutes long
indigo fog
The most I've ever got was like 4
opal silo
Someone's salty
potent veldt
Can there be a Don't for overly-aggressive suggestions
indigo fog
I'd be perfectly fine with that being a don't
also this suggestion is already breaking the rules
potent veldt
Yeah
potent veldt
SCal isn't even meant to be the final final boss
hollow shell
Yeah
Death Mode is very different from what it was back then
as is the suggestions field
sinful violet
Removed the "don't suggest dev items" line too since that much is obvious/redundant
Also I'd say DM still shouldn't have exclusive functional items, since we've been ironing that issue out already with stuff like drew's wings and provi items, but ig that's not relevant here
hollow shell
Wait why'd you remove the dev item one?
Cuz it's in the Don'ts?
Wait it's not in the Don'ts
hearty yew
pretty sure "do not suggest death mode exclusives" was on the don'ts lists for quite a while
If it has been removed I'd like to hear the reasoning why
hollow shell
It wasn't in the Don'ts, it was in the rules
gusty geode
Imo Death could benefit from some exclusive items that exist to alleviate the changes it brings
Kinda like Maso-mode and items like the Rabies Shot
hollow shell
Death Mode is no longer a simple stat boost thing
It has a lot of its own features now
and Specific Item Suggestions are no longer allowed, so you can't use Death Mode as an item-coolness-accentuator anymore
indigo fog
Okay I just got 4:43 with Szeth's exact same gear and 2:12 with my own gear, and with my own gear I didn't even use adrenaline. How the hell does Prime take 9 minutes to kill
also szeth's gear was pretty bad for prime
also im in death mode
tepid root
yea i dont see where his 9 min kill came from
prime didnt take that long when i fought him with summoner
indigo fog
I think the gear was the only possible way it could take 9 minutes
cloud surge
Make the flare bolt and frost bolt projectiles act more similarly to the water bolt's projectiles
The flare bolt and frost bolt are both based off of the water bolt, and there is a slight difference in the projectiles' behaviors. The water bolt's can either hit 10 enemies or bounce 5 times before vanishing, but the frost bolt either hits 2 or bounces twice. The flare bolt hits 3 or bounces 3 times. I think it should be made more consistent with the water bolt, and be able to hit more enemies than times they can bounce. The damage could be lowered to compensate for the buff.
hollow shell
That is a very minor and specific change
cloud surge
yes
tepid root
frost bolt should stay as it is imo, but flare bolt could probably be stronger
wary canyon
Yeh plus I would rather have better dmg than more pierce
Especially that early in the game
cloud surge
yeah frost bolt is already fine
piercing really isnt that useful for frost bolt stage
hollow saffron
hollow shell
@tawdry cliff I know you've achieved peace or whatever but it would be good for you to edit your suggestion
gusty geode
It's the passion-fueled type that comes in every now and then
More of a complaint than a real suggestion
Then again most of the ones that've come in since the SIS ban were essentially complaints
hollow shell
less aggressive, and mention Levi
tawdry cliff
More of a rant I don't really care just spur of the moment thing
zealous ridge
In that case it can probably be delet or something
indigo fog
it's deleted
hollow shell
Thank you
gusty geode
Give the Frost Legion a chance to occur naturally in Hardmode on Death
❔ : Several reasons.
- Nobody pays attention this event, so having it occur naturally would give more players a chance to encounter it in a playthrough outside of Christmas time.
- By extension, it also makes Santa more accessible, giving more reliable access to his list of decorative blocks (as a bonus, maybe have him sell Snowglobes?)
- Non-boss-related Death Mode changes are still the new thing, and giving players yet another potential threat to worry about in early Hardmode would fit right in with that; it's the point the event was built for, anyway.
indigo fog
Doesn't santa only spawn during Christmas
tepid root
that too
indigo fog
he despawns after right
tepid root
mhm
hollow shell
(he doesn't despawn, he fucking explodes)
tepid root
terraria moment
also frost legion is forgotten because it has 0 rewards, and the snow blocks being everywhere is so fucking annoying
gusty geode
Last I checked he spawns after the Frost Legion is defeated
The Frost Legion is just unfightable outside of Christmas time
tepid root
he doesnt spawn outside of christmas time
hollow shell
"Santa Claus is a NPC vendor that arrives after the Frost Legion has been defeated, but only during the Christmas season, after which he dies."
indigo fog
Also don't the snowmen leave a huge mess of snow blocks everywhere as said in the wiki
that doesnt sound fun at all
indigo fog
You don't even get anything after completing this event
tepid root
also if you have a mod that allows you to "activate christmas" such as fargo's or thorium, defeating frost legion wont make santa arrive, because his arrival depends on irl time
unborn mango
Calamity should add some drops like how they made pirate crossbower drop raider's glory
indigo fog
How does celestial tracers give 2-4 seconds of flying
are you in defiled
i think i remember it being longer
ashen warren
The flying carpet is faster and more useful than a glide
The issue with it is that it's too little, too late.
hollow shell
@wild sparrow You probably have Defiled turned on
ashen warren
So you end up with no experience with the carpet.
hollow shell
Flying Carpet only activates after you've spent all of your flight time
wild sparrow
huh
hollow shell
Fuck, I can't re-add exclamation points
wild sparrow
i mean i just cant really see a situation where you would use the carpet
over gliding/jut straight dropping
indigo fog
Also the boots are gonna need another accessory if we're removing the carpet
all of the other armor pieces use one and the carpet was for the boots
ashen warren
yar
ashen warren
auric carpet is unironically amazing if you learn how to use it
ashen warren
there just needs to be a way to learn that isn't scal or bust
wild sparrow
thats nigh end game
scal is the only boss left
i fail to see any reason to really learn it
split narwhal
Boss rush?
ashen warren
as for a leggings acc, lemme look at wiki there might be something spicy
indigo fog
What if we changed the carpet to be like vortex booster's hover instead
split narwhal
there are more non charging bosses than charging bosses
wild sparrow
yall ever get excited
and make auric tesla armor
only to find that this armor is a extreme dissapointment
indigo fog
Vortex booster's hover is actually really useful for bosses like providence
wild sparrow
hmmm
distant gyro
no because auric armor is nowhere near a disappointment
indigo fog
so i'd like for the carpet to be like that for BR
ashen warren
auric tesla is far from a disappointment
wild sparrow
well the top two parts
distant gyro
combining 4 armor is lol
wild sparrow
tepid root
how is auric armor a disappointment again 
ashen warren
it constitutes like half of your dps via set bonuses
split narwhal
Just learn how to use it
ashen warren
the hover is a wings thing
ashen warren
you can put the hover into tracers if you want
distant gyro
I like carpet since you can see right away when you run out of flight time
the carpet is like big
ashen warren
I've already suggested that iirc
wild sparrow
ye
wide flicker
Also, there can be times where just floating or dropping will get you hit versus threading the needle with carpet and then dropping
indigo fog
you can put the hover into tracers if you want
Tracers are already good enough and also have that immunity frame thing so Drew's Wings would just be awful in comparison
ashen warren
ye I know
I think most post-ml wings should hover by default
maybe tracers shouldn't for reasons idk
frosty dagger
The carpet can just be ignored, but I find it really good
indigo fog
Tracer wings are meant to be worse flight options than normal wings because of the free acc slot
split narwhal
Also the hovering from vortex booster/mantle is a bit buggy
indigo fog
otherwise tracers would make the other wings useless
indigo fog
Other wings like solar wings are much better flight options and give extra damage so not really
they have something
split narwhal
Hovering is too good to add on for tracers
ashen warren
seraph tracers may be outclassed sure, but from elysian onwards it's almost no contest
the utility of an extra slot is amazing
indigo fog
that's actually because there aren't that many other wings at that tier
there's only drew's wings
ashen warren
it's also because there's almost little point
stats are so big that you can already fly to space and move at almost 100mph
any higher and it's actually a detriment
..except maybe flight time
anyway, as for auric tesla leggings
carpet good, I think it should be introduced earlier somehow but whatever
indigo fog
flight time and maybe damage bonuses too like the other wings
ashen warren
the damage boosts would need to exceed like 10-20%
or wings have funky stuff like a super frog leg attached
gravistar sabaton tbh
what about angel treads as part of auric tesla armour?
so the decision is between the intense speed of tracers or the better wing stats of drew's and so on
thus equalizing the accessory field
split narwhal
Note that angel treads also give a lot of flight time(25% inherited from harpy ring)
ashen warren
that'd apply to both though?
split narwhal
oh okay then
indigo fog
So you're suggesting to add angel treads to auric tesla leggings?
ashen warren
..yes
"what about angel treads as part of auric tesla armour?
so the decision is between the intense speed of tracers or the better wing stats of drew's and so on
thus equalizing the accessory field"
indigo fog
we'd have to go through crafting it again and the crafting recipe for the armor is already complex enough
i'd like less crafting
ashen warren
I'd argue the recipe for the carpet is actually more bullshit
10 ancient cloth takes me far longer to farm than just having all the stuff to make angel treads
ashen warren
it's a 1% drop from a really low spawn rate enemy
even defiled makes it take 25+ minutes
split narwhal
It's a 6.67% chance
indigo fog
hollow shell
6.67% drop from a decently spawning enemy
All types of Ghouls, not even biome-limited
ashen warren
6.67%
sweet jesus I'm unlucky then
indigo fog
adding angel treads is too much for an already complex recipe
ashen warren
it's taken me an hour and a half sometimes for the carpet
split narwhal
90 minutes sounds ech, are you using zerg/chaos candle or things like that?
tepid root
ashen warren
I just cheat in the carpet
tepid root
yeah youre really unlocky lmao
split narwhal
Use Dmode blood moon instead
indigo fog
you can also sometimes get it from pyramids too
indigo fog
i dont remember the last time i had a world without a pyramid
but maybe i'm just lucky
ashen warren
pyramids never spawn in my calamity worlds, and when I force one to spawn via terracustom, it has a pharaoh's outfit
hollow shell
add in Flying Carpet recipe using both pieces of Pharaoh's Outfit
tepid root
green pumice
flying carpet is good 🗿
ashen warren
ye, this was the general consensus
mighty knot
@languid radish they're reworking rogue stealth anyway
mighty knot
and requesting a specific item is nono territory
mighty knot
🤔
hollow shell
And yeah that suggestion does seem a tad specific
It could probably be worded in a better, more general way
languid radish
probably ye
oh damn those changelogs go back lmao, didn't even see it since i like to check once the new version is out. mb
hearty yew
I fucking love this idea anyway
A "stealth mode" that actually interacts with stealth
Like that sounds so obvious but so cool
ashen warren
gather shadows button
as if you're pulling darkness around you for stealthy purposes
since crouching is lame
I'd like it if it were dynamic, currently it's a toggle and I despise any kind of toggle related to movement speed nerfage
ashen warren
maybe the flying carpet can be toggleable for auric tesla leggings
ashen warren
imagine if like u could hide armor
robust lava
familiar set
tired haven
smoke bomb
ashen warren
can bullet hell disable all types of dashing?
reason: no one dashes in bullet hell although dashing might be viable in other scal phases and I dont want to go through my inventory to manually toggle it
tired haven
That's a touchy one
Quite a few people do like dashing during bullethells, but most do that on accident when trying to tap button to adjust movement, so uh no idea. Maybe something less arbitrary than that could work
ashen warren
that is why u dont use dash at all for scal fight
it's useless
u can only have a finger slip and accidentally dash causing u to get hit 90% of the time
and its not like without dash it's any harder to avoid scal's dashes
it's intensely preference based
I make great use of dash everywhere, including scal
some hate it, just how it is
tired haven
Personally I utilize it a lot to move into gigabyssal explosions and to dodge stray shots entirely. Scal dash is more about positioning
ashen warren
the big explosions yes, indeed
it actually wouldnt be detrimental to not use dash for scal...
maybe for you, it would be for me
tired haven
at this point of nitpicks celestial tracers being a downgrade due to too high speed doesn't seem to be a joke
Tbh
If the boss makes people re-evaluate builds like that, it's probably for better good
Finally something that you cannot just "equip x to win" and have to figure out on your own
quiet abyss
Mhm
tepid root
this sounds like it should be for every worm that now splits tbh
not just dune splicers
fervent citrus
Troubadours sugg reached 140 votes :D
gray nebula
poggies
ashen warren
is that actually how worms work?
turbid pike
in death mode w/ new update
indigo fog
Isn't that in the Don'ts
zealous ridge
hm
zealous ridge
yoyo bag being put into the insignia and ele gauntlet would be pretty weird anyways
at least
to be fair, it isn't a directly damage-increasing accessory
just adds some other stats and effects to yoyos
i feel its comparable to the spirit glyph
worthy fiber
Again, it'll mostly just force non-yoyo melee to get yoyo stuff
And yoyo bag's pretty borked too
zealous ridge
eh, i wouldn't say it forces them
and how is it borked? like it's bad or it's too good?
it moreso encourages yoyo use than forcing
like there aren't any disadvantages tied to the yoyo bag that would make doing melee harder than it currently is
indigo fog
Wait i remember this comment about this kind of suggestion
It's very unlikely to be accepted
zealous ridge
well i mean it's not like you can ignore it if it's not part of an upgrade path
but okay
point is, devs don't really like the idea
tired haven
I could tell you more
Anything that is somehow related to yoyo glove existence is hated
ashen warren
will there be an 8th accessory slot in the foreseeable future?
zealous ridge
probably not riri
tired haven
I mean, how dumb is the accessory that at random gives you 2x damage, when +25% damage is considered glass accessory?
brittle nexus
I doubt it, 7 is already a lot
zealous ridge
wed have to wait on 1.4 for that
frail mantle
iirc adding an eighth acc slot would be painful code wise
zealous ridge
it's random?
frail mantle
cause hardcode meme
turbid pike
cant cheat sheat already take you above 8
tired haven
It depends on whether the yoyo exhausts pierce iframes
Lategame yoyos don't, terrarian does, some other may or may not
turbid pike
yeah cheat sheat can
zealous ridge
turbid pike
but not like you need 8 accessory slots
tired haven
(that's why terrarian sucks ass btw, it just happened to be cucked by op accessory)
zealous ridge
b r u h
strong minnow
@mild steppe im prettu sure yoyo bag is included with elemental gauntlet
so just use that
frail mantle
it isn't
tired haven
It surely isn't
fervent citrus
Maybe add a new accessory for yoyo subclass?
indigo fog
does it need one?
fervent citrus
It could use the yoyo bag in its recipe
Well, yoyo pts exist
Even chippy made one
With calamity
frail mantle
the devs have stated that they don't want to add items just for subclass pts
tired haven
dear lord...
tired haven
Btw due to a multiplier instead of plain buff yoyo bag is perfectly viable throughout the whole game
fervent citrus
Oh
tired haven
Just like oldschool worm scarf and such
fervent citrus
Its just that yoyos against scal are kinda
opal barn
suggestion: buff yoyos.
tired haven
That's only if you have low screen res iirc
And like, yoyos reject low screen res in general
fervent citrus
Im included :'D
ashen warren
suggestion: delete all yoyos
fervent citrus
Altho nohitting still kinda works
ashen warren
fervent citrus
tired haven
Suggestion: contractually bind the yoyo company that is behind the creation of yoyo class, due to the modded versions of yoyos
mild steppe
So the Yoyo Bag scales with progression? Are you sure? 
fervent citrus
No...?
mild steppe
"Btw due to a multiplier instead of plain buff yoyo bag is perfectly viable throughout the whole game" ???
ashen warren
how OP is azathoth btw?
frail mantle
it doesn't scale, no, but it's still viable throughout the entire game due to how it works
fervent citrus
About that one suggestion invloving >22 buff slots i noticed it completely destroys lan's additional buff slots mod 
mild steppe
I think the buff slot amount is fair, going overbuffed in a boss fight can be overkill.
fervent citrus
Oof
indigo fog
Isn't there a buff limit for a reason? wouldn't using over 22 buffs at once be too much
tired haven
Let me put it that way
Most buffs in the game are linear and additive, so the more you stack them, the less absolute effect individual one has
Multipliers are different, they always give you what they advertise, in case of yoyo bag it should always double yoyo dps
mild steppe
The thing is that you can't even use that many buffs, 1 buff slot is taken by your pet (if any), another by minions (if any) and a lot others by the boss debuffs.
- Potion Sickness / Mana Sickness
robust lava
That’s why I always disable my pet before boss fights
mild steppe
And I see your point CrabBar but I still stand by my point in this situation, I feel like Yoyos don't get enough love and it does waste an accessory slot if you're going for a mixed melee set.
If you're going Yoyo only, it's perfectly fine.
Or at the very least, integrating the Yoyo bag in the recipe with slightly nerfing its effects. Less yoyo range, less damage from counterweights.
tired haven
Hmm
Well, in case of yoyo love there is another point
Aside from calamity trying to make true melee viable, yoyo bag is the only accessory that benefits certain part of melee weapons (yoyos). They already have more love than the rest
mild steppe
Alternatively, new Yoyo accessories could be added. Not necessarily an upgrade to Yoyo bag.
robust lava
Not to detract from your point, but isn’t there an accessory that benefits true melee specifically?
tired haven
I did mention that
mild steppe
There are a bunch iirc.
robust lava
Oh my bad, sorry
mild steppe
(I just have a soft spot for yoyos as it's the first class and subclass I ever played in Terraria and I feel like Calamity doesn't do it enough justice, that's all)
tired haven
Indeed
(I do have one for spears tbh)
mild steppe
I know the feel, I'm particularly fond of Daybreak.
zealous ridge
which isn't a spear but
tired haven
Throwing melee 
Daybreak is a good one but it belongs to a wrong class and was balanced at a wrong time, sadly
fervent citrus
Oof
mild steppe
It's a spear tho
Someone needs to explain ReLogic what a "melee weapon" is anyway /s
toxic kettle
"Oh but you could stab someone with it"
I could slap someone with a book, does that make Water Bolt a melee weapon? No.
mild steppe
The logic I use is:
Does it shoot bullets or arrows? It's a ranged weapon.
Is it thrown and doesn't stay in your hand after being thrown? It's a throwing weapon.
Does it use magic? It's a magic weapon.
Does it summon something to help you in a fight? It's a summoner weapon.
None of the above? It's a melee weapon.
Of course, it's not the logic used in Terraria but that's how I think things should be.
Nimbus Rod should deal Summon damage imo.
Daybreak should be throwing. etc.
tepid root
a lot of melee weapons should just change class 
toxic kettle
If Nimbus Rod were a summoning weapon then weapons like Stratus Sphere and Magnetic Meltdown would be too, which would be kinda odd
mild steppe
I guess there's a difference between magic and enchantment, Terra Blade would be an "enchanted" melee weapon and not a magic weapon imho.
Either way, I don't care that much about what kind of damage things deal and Calamity does things okay.
green pumice
isnt this a dont
hallow kraken
woah
toxic kettle
there is Face Melter if you're looking for a magic weapon related to music
other than Magic Harp
queen sail
Harp upgrade
indigo fog
and sirens song
vagrant sail
Oh? On jah
vagrant sail
I was not aware
vagrant sail
terse sundial
@vagrant sail specific item suggestions aren't allowed
vagrant sail
oh sorry
terse sundial
either edit your suggestion to be less specific or delete it
hallow kraken
if we made that we would instantly get accused of copying thorium
terse sundial
or if you do neither i'll delete it in 5 mins
vagrant sail
done
terse sundial
alright
vagrant sail
sorry bout that
opaque sierra
Mfw gone two deathmode melee playthroughs without the elemental gauntlet because I forgot it existed
quick ice
@opaque sierra that’s a no automatically
zenith hazel
||abandoned slime staff||
gray nebula
zenith hazel
byeah, still unnecessary
quick ice
Anything related to Astrageldon is on the suggestion don’ts, and the only it got added back was with a donator item from this update
gray nebula
bad suggestions 
quick ice
And also it wouldn’t work in the astral underground since that places tiny*
quick ice
Not even if someone donates for it?
zenith hazel
just use the donator item and move on, there’s literally 0 reason for it to be readded in its original state
terse sundial
who would donate for a astrageldon slime
that's such a waste of money
and yes, ||YuH's summon exists||
quick ice
plenty of people remember it, so someone would probably donate to get it added back
void kelp
||thats what yuh’s item is||
tepid root
||tested a bit ago and abandoned slime staff kinda sucks compared to sandado staff 
||
ashen warren
isnt the yoyo thing in don'ts
tepid root
yea it is
terse sundial
||abandoned slime staff should be doing fine iirc, it was tested before release||
zenith hazel
||it’s meant to be good for grounded targets, like golem & ravager||
||otherwise, sandnadoes are better against aerial things||
terse sundial
and yeah @mild steppe suggestions involving merging the yoyo bag with other melee accessories isn't allowed
yharims insignia upgrades into the elemental gauntlet
ashen warren
imagine mixing the slime staff with stardust to get an astralgeldon minion
gray nebula
oh that would be cool
gray nebula
I'd love an astralgeldon minion
pulsar jay
did they hate astralgeldon or something?
they seem to want to get rid of all traces of it
gray nebula
||brbrbbr astrageldon summon got added in the latest update brbrrbuh||
ashen warren
astrum aureus has more ||LORE||
gray nebula
||bruh momment||
pulsar jay
can you stop fucking abusing spoilers
opal barn
There's a rule to not spoil newest content from updates
gray nebula
I'm using spoilers because it got released today 🗿
ashen warren
fr?
ashen warren
new update?
gray nebula
yes...,,
pulsar jay
||what's the astralgeldon minion||
pulsar jay
christ
aureus gives a lot of summoner content
you got your bombers
a sentry
and now a minion
gray nebula
also yes but summons are cool
pulsar jay
what's that
gray nebula
also this is getting offtopicm
ashen warren
aint that arbitrary
ashen warren
||ancient god slayer vanity||
zealous ridge
nice suggestion talk ., ,.
ashen warren
||175 - Added Ancient God Slayer vanity set. - Done ✅||
gray nebula
what
ashen warren
in changelogs
thats such a random addition
ancient auric tesla helmet that looks like yharims helmet where you at 😎
lofty blade
@terse sundial can you do something about this guy pls
quick ice
It’s random, but vanity cool
gray nebula
terse sundial
what's going on?
terse sundial
please stay on topic here @ashen warren, if you want to discuss new additions to the mod, go to #calamity-mod-talk
sorry for the delay, I'm trying to do three things at once here
lofty blade
no worries
zealous ridge
krant, eh
idk if they need to drop stardust
like, they already drop astral ore post-deus
and everything else in astral biome drops it, making it not difficult to come by at all
terse sundial
it makes sense for consistency
zealous ridge
i mean i guess
terse sundial
maybe not extremely necessary, but is still a valid reasoning
zealous ridge
yeah it's valid
but really i feel like it's just not needed
astral slime can be a source of ore, that's fine
quick ice
Astral Slime doesn’t drop ore til post-deus, so it goes until the post Aureus phase with no drops
it’s not a necessary change but consistency good, so I made it anyways
zealous ridge
consistency not always good
fair enough, though
its fine in guideline terms
but i wouldn't vote for it, personally
hollow idol
~~ a bit late but ririls was trying to suggest an ancient auric helmet not discuss the new set~~
tepid root
||🤔 well sandnadoes killed aureus a bit faster than abandoned slime for me so idk, might just be me||
gray nebula
wacky fact : the boss rush is a boss rush of course it's long
distant gyro
that's not very wacky but it's a fact
quick ice
you're fighting every boss in the game, of course it's gonna take a while
hallow kraken
Oh wow a double sug
quick ice
if you want it to get shorter just get good
quick ice
distant gyro
if it takes you more than 20 minutes then fuck weapon balance
hallow kraken
No reasoning for the second sug as well
distant gyro
we want to buff some weapons like soma prime soon, but the fact that you have to take 20+ minutes for every individual test make it a slog and a half
but 20 is intended
unreal viper
It took me more than 30 minutes.
left crest
bruh putting 2 suggs in the same message
gusty geode
Again
That's the point
wooden wedge
how'd we make it shorter then?