zealous ridge
actually don't show me it if it has planned content
#suggestions-discussion
void kelp
I think having ideas isn’t going behind his back but implementing them w/o asking would be
tired haven
It's more considerate to hold the horses than to let know of every single rework idea imho
radiant meadow
if you want?
idk
they could use a resprite to differentiate them
in fact
the tornado could probably get a resprite period
hallow kraken
Suggestion to not implement a suggestion, that is a power move
hollow shell
@robust copper What is this referring to?
Where is it written that we're doing the "if one person does, the boss despawns” thing?
small talon
tepid root
he is suggesting that you dont implement an old suggestion im guessing
hollow shell
No, that's different
radiant meadow
we don't do that
hollow shell
Repuls is suggesting a different solution to that problem
radiant meadow
the bolded title should change then
hollow shell
hm?
radiant meadow
because it severely distracts from the intent
since it's telling us to not do something that we don't do
hollow shell
Repuls is the person Bepis just linked
mighty knot
@cloud surge there's already been an accepted suggestion to make all stingers more visible
cloud surge
hollow shell
@robust copper Re-ping
Check your mentions. You need to clarify your suggestion
And now he's goin on the list
hollow shell
Yeah Bepis linked that earlier
dusty stirrup
Even if it's not exactly the same thing
hollow shell
It's the same problem but a much different solution
teal ibex
time for a new suggestion
Don't listen to him, Repuls is right.
that one was way better 
hazy timber
it's a suggestion to counter another suggestion 4Head
it's all about a player not being able to respawn after they die once **in a bossfight
thus when all players are dead the boss goes away
and i think they understood that as if a single player dies the boss goes away?
hollow shell
It would be great if he responded ever
teal ibex
another one for the list 
sand umbra
the ping pong ditch list
hazy timber
oh, a buddy of mine just said something interesting. if respawn prevention gets implemented it would be boring if your screen stays locked where you died untill others die/beat a boss
iirc when i played overhaul it had a spectator mode when you died in multiplayer, that was nice
hollow shell
@ashen warren Balance
Greater stat buffs have shorter durations
Some durations are intentionally short like Astral Injection and Revivify
ashen warren
mmmm
teal ibex
yeah this completely constricts the design space of potions
if the limit was 4 minutes, making any powerful potions would be unreasonable, but if it was just 1 minute a ton of weaker potions would be nearly useless
it makes much more sense to leave some design space open and ask the the incredibly difficult task of the player pressing 'b' a few times a fight
ashen warren
sounds reasonable
ashen warren
I’m too busy aiming and pressing five other keys please help
please tell me they know it’s a joke
timid pawn
Increse the chance of a meteor falling after breaking a crimson heart/shadow orb or increse meteor heads drop rate for metoeite ore or make a consumble item that summons a meteor which is bough from the mage after astrum deus.Reason: It become annoying to get meteorite after finishing your stock and you still need meteorite for late game weapons and astral armor
green pumice
qol mods exist for this
timid pawn
Pls let's just don't talk about other mods
opal barn
isn't like 1 or 2 meteorites enough for pretty much everything you'd need
green pumice
byeah
timid pawn
For example astral armor requre alot
green pumice
does it
timid pawn
Steller killer
opal barn
look
you can get like 120 meteorite bars in 30 minutes
and you won't need any more for the rest of the game
timid pawn
I guess i will put it in suggestion anyway
timid pawn
Ahh i posted one like that before
Just search
the one you are talking about is 02/25/2020 but i made a similar one 02/22/2020
And deleted
hollow saffron
Change some existing debuffs to be more unique than DoTs
Reason: A lot of the debuffs are just "take damage". This gets incredibly repetitive(hence all the memes about calamity having flame debuffs), however there are many other debuff types. For example, debuffs that increase enemy aggro, lower the player's attack speed, or reduce the effectiveness of healing would be nice instead of having lots of DoT's that are more or less the same.
distant gyro
why add more when you can change existing ones
tepid root
i think its fine other than that
hollow saffron
ok
pulsar jay
debuff that makes all healing negative
bitter drift
n o
hollow saffron
this aint minecraft
pulsar jay
why ravager of all bosses
ashen warren
gimmicky debuffs 
hollow saffron
undead mobs dont get healed by instant damage
bitter drift
revenger is undead?
gray nebula
cool debuffs are cool but they aren't really useful to make aboss more threatening
pulsar jay
oh so you made a minecraft refrence
hollow saffron
bunch of bodies brought to life via necromancy
pulsar jay
hollow saffron
iban they dont have to be just for bosses
bitter drift
no i didn't
gray nebula
"wow haha my ennemy aggro is increased 😳 "
hollow saffron
just debuffs in general
bitter drift
^
gray nebula
pulsar jay
idk man abyssal flames combined with brimstone flames makes Brimmy disgusting
gray nebula
your proposed debuffs are also kinda boring
hollow saffron
theyre examples
gray nebula
and they sound less threatening than a DoT
bitter drift
you know there is this one calamity debuff that does nothing
hollow saffron
dot's are b o r i n g
sly lily
the picking hearts damaging is in Fargo btw, dropped by mimics
hollow saffron
and they aren't really threatening
gray nebula
stat changes are boring
hollow saffron
especially when you have good healing
hollow saffron
well then what would you suggest?
hollow saffron
also reminder that the ideas i had are just examples
gray nebula
I dont suggest anything, I'm just saying that the examples are as boring as a dot
gray nebula
thats a good and wacky idea
bitter drift
i would change in death mode that abyssal awareness debuff that will make you spawn rates 100x instead of whatever it does
pulsar jay
sucks to be you I don't use lifesteal because nearly all of it is trash
hollow saffron
debuff that allows bosses to heal by getting attacked by you
sly lily
bullets come back at you after they hit the enemy, that would be a crazy one
toxic kettle
Fish Alert
bitter drift
^
hollow saffron
selneian
toxic kettle
Selenian cringe
pulsar jay
Hadari's skull was crushed by nebula blaze EX
sly lily
Fargo also have a couple of "fun" status effects in Masochist
like the "squeaky toy" making you do 1 damage for a few seconds emitting that sound each hit
sly lily
Moon Lord in Fargo also has a cycling weakness
hollow saffron
Obesity
sly lily
as in, inmune to type of damage that isn't shown on the background
hollow saffron
Movement speed and jump height decreased
sly lily
there's also another status effect that dispels summons
pulsar jay
that's not allowed you can't do that
sly lily
"Antisocial" is called xD
pulsar jay
imagine making an entire one class useless against a boss
sly lily
well it is a debuff you have to be hit with
hollow saffron
Antisocial: npcs refuse to talk to you
sly lily
and the moon lord thing is the mechanic
bitter drift
anti-virus
a buff that increase your defense when having a calamity DoT debuff (mostly pointed at the astral infection)
hollow saffron
oo
sly lily
that's the slime king jewel
bitter drift
actually ya i meant life regen
frail mantle
anti-social isn't the only debuff that kills a class
bitter drift
sorry
pulsar jay
does he also inflict silence, weakness, and some ranger debuff?
pulsar jay
that's just being slowed
sly lily
another debuff perhaps could have enemies splitting even : P
hollow saffron
Skipped: The boss literally moves 10 seconds ahead in time
frail mantle
Maso pillars have to be beaten with the class they represent, and to do so they inflict debuffs that vibe check the other classes when you're near the Pillar
hollow saffron
Hadari it affects gravity too
sly lily
I forgot to mention that Leon yeah, the pillars have that
frail mantle
ML just straight up can only be damaged by one class at a time
sly lily
well, you could try the all damage weapons
pulsar jay
maybe I don't want to multiclas
hollow saffron
^
pulsar jay
what's the point of classes if you don't follow one
frail mantle
Maso post-Cultist is a no monoclass zone
pulsar jay
bad design
sly lily
well, Fargo IS all about multiclass
frail mantle
^
sly lily
fargo is basically "use everything, cause bosses will use everything"
frail mantle
fargo's forces you to multiclass at endgame because what's the point of classes if you'll only use one throughout a playthrough
sly lily
the damn Eye of Cthulhu does fast bullet hell even
gray nebula
the point of classes is to add replay value
playing all the classes at once kinda ruins that
frail mantle
gray nebula
instead of 4 playthroughts with a separate class, you end up with 1 playthrough with multi classes
pulsar jay
calamity heavily encourages you to monoclass
pulsar jay
no armor set can give you everything because all of them are based on set bonuses
frail mantle
astral armor
sly lily
me neither, but still the multiclass aspect is only really brought up on the celestial events phase tbf
gray nebula
and also for maso ml just wait and dont attack instead of changing weapons 
queen sail
That would be nice iban
gray nebula
makes the fight 4x longer but at least you can monoclass it
frail mantle
maso bosses regen health when you don't attack 
queen sail
...if all bosses in maso didn’t start regenning if you don’t attack them for a while
gray nebula
just use a broken weapon iirc,,m
pulsar jay
also we're talking Moonlord here
gray nebula
halibut cannon ,:
sly lily
I wonder if SCal is broken in Fargo now that I think about it, but that's talk for another channel...xD
frail mantle
is this even about sugmas anymore
pulsar jay
imagine if there was a halibut cannon for every class
a magic weapon that rapidly shoots ridiculous damage ice balls
gray nebula
suggestion : respri,te providence : why : I dont like her sprite
bitter drift
i would honestly love a helibut cannon for every class
pulsar jay
that spit more ice balls
gray nebula
also uh no
frail mantle
gray nebula
please no
sly lily
Reality Breakers for every class?
pulsar jay
a summon weapon that summons a wyrm to fight for you
bitter drift
@pulsar jay yes
gray nebula
no 
pulsar jay
yes
bitter drift
mage is a jelly fish shooting electricity
frail mantle
no thank you
pulsar jay
sly lily
and mage is an apotheosis head but eidolon wyrm right? : P
bitter drift
sly lily
that chases
bitter drift
yes i am 
myself
frail mantle
Halimeme is an outlier because it's a dedicated item but any more would effectively just result in Old Legendaries 2: Electric Boogaloo
bitter drift
@sly lily i told already
a jelly fish that shoot electricity
@frail mantle i get it but you can joke right?
frail mantle
yes
pulsar jay
summoner still has the least amount of content, even in calamity
bitter drift
ya
pulsar jay
I don't LIKE THAT
frail mantle
this ain't even about suggestions anymore byeah
bitter drift
it doesn't even has a fine subclass
sly lily
summoner really needs at least another sentry post moonlord... and perhaps a dev one
bitter drift
@pulsar jay they are?
bitter drift
and?
frail mantle
that's because Calamity doesn't focus on making every subclass in the game viable for a full playthrough
bitter drift
minions are normal summoner
pulsar jay
that's not-
sly lily
what "is" a sub class btw?
pulsar jay
that's like saying swords are normal melee
frail mantle
a subtype of weapons within a class
pulsar jay
there's so many melee weapons there isn't one that is normal
frail mantle
for example yoyos are a subclass of melee
bitter drift
a set of weapons that are different then the original and majority of the class
sly lily
so what isn't a subclass in melee?
frail mantle
nothing
sly lily
the true melee swords? the shooting ones?
pulsar jay
nothing. melee has too mnay
bitter drift
flamethrowers are a subclass of ranger
sly lily
the guns aren't? the bows?
sly lily
so what can we suggest?
pulsar jay
...i
bitter drift
wait what is mage;s
frail mantle
mage has magic guns, wands and tomes
toxic kettle
do Staves count as Wands
frail mantle
yea
pulsar jay
magic guns, tomes, and staves/wands
sly lily
mages is "just choose another class"
pulsar jay
summoner has sentries and minons
gray nebula
subclasses are dumb,;
pulsar jay
imagine saying mage is bad
bitter drift
summoner has sentries and that's it
at the time of this comment calamity has added nothing to sentries except some dev weapons
pulsar jay
warrior and ranger are really the only classes where you can win reliably with one subclass
toxic kettle
what would rogue be? knives, boomerangs, ...?
pulsar jay
since each subclass is so fuckin extensive on it's own
bitter drift
boomerangs knives
frail mantle
we aren't allowed to suggest things that only exist to make pure subclass runs viable
gray nebula
actually summoner has subclasses
minions (could even be divided into ranged and melee summons), active summons (just borealis bomber but dont care), auras and sentries
take that,;
bitter drift
you are trying to divide it WAY too much
frail mantle
calamity has added nothing to sentries except some dev weapons
Spikechad, Hive Pod, Guidelight, Energy Staff and Dreadmine aren't dev weapons
gray nebula
I'm not really trying to divide it
pulsar jay
👏 summoner 👏 needs 👏 more 👏 content
sly lily
borealis is basically a mage attack but with summon type
bitter drift
@pulsar jay YAS
gray nebula
I mean yeah everyone wants more summoner content
frail mantle
rogue has daggers, javelins, bombs and boomerangs iirc
gray nebula
problem being : summoner content is painful to code and sprite
but don't worry because uh
summon GOD
bitter drift
throwables and boomerangs
pulsar jay
consumables and non consumables is more simple
gray nebula
rogue subclasses are separated on the wiki
frail mantle
o yea spiky bol meme
gray nebula
and they all gain different bonuses from invisiblity
sly lily
til that rogue is a thing cause it might be the easiest thing to code then
pulsar jay
rogue is just beam swords without the sword firing the beam
bitter drift
somehow rogues has more subclasses and more content in each subclasses then sentry summoners
pulsar jay
the non consumables atlesst
frail mantle
that's because Rogue is a Clam class
bitter drift
@pulsar jay rogue is the baby of the ranger and melee class
ashen warren
ah yes, seafoam bomb, the classic beam sword
distant gyro
sword is the easiest thing to code
sly lily
clams, the classic beam sword
frail mantle
summoner at least has some content from Vanilla, while Rogue was built up from the ground purely by Vanilla
frail mantle
that's why Clam has so much Rogue shit
pulsar jay
how it has more content than summoner
gray nebula
,m yes sylvan slasher is my favorite beam sword
sly lily
tbf why was it made "rogue" damage if most of it is throwing?
gray nebula
"most of it"
pulsar jay
removal of throwing coming in journey's end
gray nebula
hue
pulsar jay
they changed the damage type in preparation
toxic kettle
ranged grenades 
gray nebula
there is a lot more new rogue content than old throwing content
distant gyro
thorium will make throwing a throwing, simple
frail mantle
throwing is staying in Modded terraria
bitter drift
@pulsar jay keep the throwing class and deal with it
gray nebula
and rogue has more content than summoner because summoner is painful to code (you need multiple sprites, some being animated and you need to code an AI for the summons)
distant gyro
just keep the class
sly lily
sadly Thorium's bosses are paper
frail mantle
^
elder mist
👁️
bitter drift
i would use thorium
if it was fucking fun to me
and by fun i mean the hard type of fun
ashen warren
how is that related to calamity suggestions
sly lily
compatibility regarding rogue/throwing moving onwards in cal's dev
pulsar jay
anyway, the idea of needing to manage resources to ensure you have enough weapons for your journey is a pretty unique thing so I don't understand why they made the non consumables
they aren't particularly special in their own right
gray nebula
because non consumables are better
consumable stuff is just annoying imo
wow haha I can't just train to fight the bosses I also need to farm inbetween attemps because woops too bad I ran out of weapons
sly lily
perhaps Fargo could add infinite stacks like with arrows
elder mist
jesus christ what happened why is everyone talking about subclasses when i dont see a single subclass thing on suggestions
sly lily
but again it is asking another mod to do stuff...
pulsar jay
i don't know
frail mantle
that's just what sugma disc does™️
elder mist
and you know what i do™️ ?
gray nebula
subclass god ,;
opal barn
yeet
elder mist
stopping dumb offtopic shit
pulsar jay
meanie
elder mist
if you want to talk about subclasses there's a perfectly good channel named #calamity-mod-talk
frank stratus
(of course if it's like, calamity related subclasses)
sly lily
subclass suggestions are fine though right?
distant gyro
no
sly lily
the "don't" only mentions a "specific point" in the game
distant gyro
well kinda
gray nebula
same thing
distant gyro
if you make a suggestion like
gray nebula
jsut don't ask for a new subclass weapon because subclasses don't matter
distant gyro
"please add more rocket launchers I want a launcher subclass run to be viable"
that is banned
sly lily
pointing out that there's just a sentry post moon lord is banned?
distant gyro
there are 5
sly lily
(a 2nd one that is rare and bad doesn't... count)
sly lily
5???
gray nebula
hollow knight sentry best sentry
frail mantle
if you suggest add more post-ml sentries because muh sentry only run it's not allowed
distant gyro
energy staff, lunar portal, rainbow crystal, soul lantern, <redacted>
gray nebula
also yea sentries are kinda dumb
distant gyro
sly lily
oh the ML drops <.<
distant gyro
obviously the last one isn't out yet
gray nebula
wow haha sentry vs yharon haha
distant gyro
hence the <no>
tepid root
sentry only run 
gray nebula
don't worry, frost hydra EX will arrive
distant gyro
frost hydra EX is lole
gray nebula
haha
zenith hazel
endogenesis but a sentry
gray nebula
speak for yourself
zenith hazel
problem solved
gray nebula
frost hydra EX is poggers
sly lily
and yeah it isn't for a sentry run lol is an added assistance thing like how mages carry an arsenal of fireworks or bow, gun and such for ranged etc...
gray nebula
yea but why
just suggest more summoner weapons in general
OK I made the suggestion for you
"add more summon weapons that work as support"
debuffing/buffing minions,, m
sly lily
Because summoner gameplay is basically casting your army
Then you assisting with an ichor gun and recolocating sentry
It isnt a "subclass" suggestion more than a gameplay loop
sly lily
It isnt clear due to hard mode to post being dominated by wide range sentries
gray nebula
,,;m
please just write your suggestion fully and then I'll tell you why it's a bad suggestion
sly lily
But at post moonlord you should relocate the energy staff
gray nebula
because I dont understand what you're talking about
sly lily
What I mean is that sentries arent a subclass and ignored/banned to discuss to add some in the post moon lord range
sly lily
Because the loop for attacking in post moon lord is: summon army, change between ichor gun and sentry
gray nebula
ok but like no
sly lily
I get that, but it is like forcing oneself to not use yoyos
gray nebula
sentries are a subclass
you aren't forced to use sentries
you can complete a full summoner run
that's it
no need for specific types of summon weapons to be added
sly lily
Energy staff is clearly overtuned due to the lack of sentries
sly lily
That too
A suggestion would be: rebalance the sentry weapons
Nerf energy staff and buff the rare signus one
pulsar jay
energy staff is op?
rancid urchin
energy staff is great
pulsar jay
i have it
frail mantle
sentries are balanced around not having too many of them
pulsar jay
it seemed normal
earnest pawn
My favorite class is ranger
frail mantle
see: Spikecrag
gray nebula
wacky fact,,; everything is balanced m
pulsar jay
hive pod
frail mantle
that too
pulsar jay
if you look closely at hivelings they look like edited demon heads
sly lily
Yeah, that's why adding slots to sentries are kind of nonexistent
earnest pawn
Can you buff the phoneix blaster
It's fun to use
Flashlight underbarrle attachment
pulsar jay
earnest pawn
queen sail
What
pulsar jay
What
earnest pawn
Hmmm?
frail mantle
he wants a phoenix blaster buff
pulsar jay
what the fuck is a flashlight underbarrle attachment?
rancid urchin
Calamity makes pheonix blaster autofire?
frail mantle
yes
rancid urchin
didn't know that
earnest pawn
A flashlight, like the flare gun it lights things up
pulsar jay
that's completely unnecessary
hollow saffron
just make the flare gun light things up
pulsar jay
it already-
sly lily
Isnt that what the flare gun does?
sly lily
The flare shotgun is pretty amazing btw
Also suggestions isnt for memes, we joke sometimes in the middle of suggestions but... no joke suggestions please: p
earnest pawn
Fine
sly lily
But hey if you want to make your joke a reality try to get a dedicated weapon made and get a Boktai like gun made lol
hard crescent
For the multiplayer thing with bosses despawning after the death count is equal to the player count , thats not the greatest idea
If you are doing really good but your friend gets spawn killed, you get punished
gusty geode
Tbh I think that's fair
Obviously not everyone was ready for the fight
So the one who wasn't ready shouldn't be rewarded because their team carried them
sly lily
If a way to nerf multiplayer regarding player deaths was there i would prefer if it was a global debuff for each player death that increased respawn times per dead player
hard crescent
On multiplayer, where the mere presence of another player makes it harder for everyone since bosses have more health
If someone carries the whole boss, they deserve the win more than the other player deserves a loss
sly lily
That's kind of what happened with me with my friend (which is kind of noob xD)
pulsar jay
book of skulls is fucking stupid
a boss that you can't farm reliably unless rng has a percentage drop?
gusty geode
Isn't he summoned by killing the Clothier
wooden wedge
killing the clothier while having his voodoo doll equipped iirc
frail mantle
^
robust lava
It's a vanilla expert feature
Boss health scales strongly with the number of players, but I believe Calamity tones the boost down
hazy timber
Dem, didnt know about that
ashen warren
yeah because who plays multiplayer when it doesn’t work
hazy timber
I still think it's fair because multiple players deal double,triple and on more damage
frail mantle
That depends
fervent citrus
Some suggs that reached 120 votes havent been approved, just sayin 
frail mantle
If every player is running different classes, there’ll usually be one of them that carries the whole fight because the classes deal wildly different damage
Also 
hazy timber
I meean, everytime i play with my buddies we always compare our dps through the meter
And its always such a close amount to eachother, it only blows that up when one of us gets a legendary wep
frail mantle
Well this is just me assuming I don’t have friends to play with so I wouldn’t know how it is to play mp
fervent citrus
Oof
hazy timber
Still wish someone corrected me sug saying there is indeed a multiplayer scaling b4
sly lily
@ashen warren idk if you know that, but Cosmic Discharge is a component on making Apotheosis, so that's actually a great drop
sorry for the tangent
btw I read again the "Don't" file and it mentioned that giving uses to the Rock was one. But why not a self-kill one?
it is a comedic item, so a reaction of using it and mentioning something like "player hit himself with the rock out of frustration" or similar might be funny
radiant meadow
the rock doesn't need to do anything
sly lily
i know
frail mantle
would probably count as a meme sugg
hallow kraken
there’s already the comedic effect of xeroc saying that’s your reward
sly lily
oh, wait, the voice from Terminus is Xeroc?
gusty geode
"What's this?"
"A rock."
"Well, what do you want me to do with it?"
"KILL ME."
sly lily
^
specially if the rock was held and made the "use" animation before dying for added effect... but yeah
ashen warren
Is there a particular reason Nightmare fuel and Endothermic Energy float?
Also I thought Apoth was a meme weapon that wasn’t very good
hallow kraken
I mean, why shouldn’t they float
Endothermic energy makes sense because like it’s a mass of energy or whatever I’m sounding stupid here aren’t I
sand umbra
Apoth isn't a meme wep
you're thinking of Apoth and Friends, a meme mod by The Great and Powerful Terry™️©️
queen delta
Probably late, but I got the black belt removed from abyssal mirror because it was already used in master ninja belt
There can be another alternative for the abyssal mirror dodging, but black belt shouldn't be one of them
versed tundra
I don't know if that was already suggested or not:
Give Ceaseless Void's Dark Energies a healthbar
During this fight you often need to look at the tiny line of text stating how many minions are left, which is kind of awkward. Why not make their total remaining HP clearer?
Any thoughts? I don't think I need to add more to this. It's just common sense, after Calamity's brothers got the same treatment.
foggy plover
I mean ceaseless itself is .1 % of the healthbar so its kinda just the voids anyways
versed tundra
Yeah, but having only the healthbar for the minions would be weird
they need to keep it in, that's for sure
indigo fog
Isn't their total health already shown on the healthbar while CV is invincible?
left crest
yes
sand umbra
Dark Energies aren't secondary to the CV fight like Calamitas' brothers and the individual Perforators are to their respective fights though
they literally make up like 80% of the fight
consider also: they'd die in .2 seconds either way so the healthbar would be coming up for nothing
CV's current healthbar is effectively just a way for you to know how many Dark Energies still exist in the world, just in case you're missing one and not seeing it
distant gyro
CV's current health bar is already essentially a health bar for dark energies yes
queen sail
Can I sugg that the key bindings to toggle the calamity health bars be removed and become, y’know
A config
distant gyro
Can I tell you that that's already a thing?
check the configuration options and game controls page on the wiki
ashen warren
so why are there no accessrys in pre hardmode for range stuff or am i jsut not lookign in the right areas?
karmic stone
Ranger is the most powerfulish class for Pre Hm already
ashen warren
i was going suggest a magnet to collect arrows or somthing
karmic stone
Balancing more gear for it would be cbt
ashen warren
mmmm ok that would explain it thanks
tired haven
Yeah, ranger is quite a powerful nihilist there
unkempt bolt
though he is kinda right
there are few PHM accessories specifically for ranger
doesn't really need it, since it's as powerful as it is
ashen warren
i guess i can make easy work with cnaged classes from magic to ranger without worrying to much on accesrys
i was hopping for like utility stuff for ranger or somthing realy simple
ashen warren
but its really up to the creaters to decide if its a good idea
tired haven
ranger works so good you can use it in magic armor when you are out of mana or actually suitable spells 
ashen warren
the class set up shows no items fro pre hard more where i am at i still cant kill skelitron
crab bar dont make me test that im crazy to
unkempt bolt
it's not even a meme lol
ashen warren
ill go test it on skitron i may make a mine cart lpp to fight him
loop
nibis gail corse is a fun bow
force uhgggg i cant type sorry
tired haven
I mean, there isn't much to test
Best ranged thing you'd have for most of prehm is victide. It gives like 10% stats and the occasional projectile on hit. Wack
Most accessories are classless, the only notable popular exception for mage is mana flower
Thus, you don't lose too much 
unkempt bolt
and rogue's billion accessories
delicate marsh
That's because rogue wouldn't have any otherwise.
tired haven
6 in prehm is pretty decent but not that much tbh
queen sail
@distant gyro @tepid root I haven’t played this game in a while reeeeeeeeee school and ib classes omega meme
Gimme a break
distant gyro
tepid root
ech
ashen warren
aaaaaaaaaaaaaa
hollow shell
(Wow 'somebody stole my soup' didn't just ding-ding-ditch)
(They ding-dong-fled the country)
(... they're still in the server but takin nearly 24 hours to respond to a ping is a bit much)
tepid root
why are people starring this suggestion without even knowing what it means tbh
sand umbra
their sugg is against the rules anyway
by law of chaining
and it's clear they ain't comin' back to change it
hollow shell
I don't even know if it's chaining
It doesn't quite match up with anything posted recently unless he like, really misinterpreted Repuls's
tepid root
he's responding to a suggestion that didnt even get approved yet
tepid root
repuls's
hollow shell
again: same problem, different solution. The thing Soup is saying to not do is not the same as what Repuls is suggesting we do
Question @terse sundial
What is this a bluecheck of?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/681987931816067147
terse sundial
I must've took one glance at https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/660425668437475328 and thought it was sent. i really need to slow down when it comes to reviewing suggestions
hollow shell
Alright, I'll deliver it then
unkempt bolt
i've updated my suggestion to include astrum deus
gilded pike
suggestion, resprite providence to the radiance on april 1st then change her back the next day
tepid root
hollow shell
fun fact: Providence came first
I'm not bein accusatory btw I just legitimately think that's a fun fact due to how similar they were in various ways
pliant bone
hollow shell
Yeah, Volcarona
mental path
maybe dont have throwing bricks made by red bricks at an anvil?
it's already a brick... just throw it, why is an anvil required? what are you doing to the brick to make it "throwable"?
what do you guys think of my suggestion?
i get that you need atleast a little progression to make a powerful start-game item but it makes no sense to me
tranquil vale
you need something to "convert" the red bricks into throwable things
mental path
ok so imagine i have a brick in my hand right now, do i need to do anything to it to throw it? no
tepid root
because ingame, you cant just throw the brick, its already a placeable block, it would also be very wacky
mental path
what im trying to suggest is making throwing bricks craftable by hand
red brick = throwing brick, no crafting station needed
tepid root
ah
mental path
its not like theyre stuck together or anything
you fire up some clay in a furnace and you get red bricks in terraria
mental path
the only craftind ingredient is clay, theres no cement involved
thats just unrealistic block physics
worthy fiber
Now obviously there's a few errors in logic in crafting
How do you just hammer some magic swords together to make a bigger sword? It's not accounted for
But practically I think these brick blocks should be treated more as cemented bricks, and that you shouldn't give the impression that you just pry them apart like that
Again, a wall isn't just a pile of bricks
mental path
you can have floating dirt blocks in the air
hearty plaza
just throw an entire block at your enemies
worthy fiber
refer to above statement
mental path
so following that logic, i can make a house with bricks without cement
you can have floating dirt blocks in the air
hearty plaza
i just think this isnt a big enough deal to warrant the change
anvils are easy as hell to get
mental path
that proves that you dont need cement
worthy fiber
does not :/
mental path
i get that you need atleast a little progression to make a powerful start-game item but it makes no sense to me
it does
i can have floating bricks that are immovable, therefore i can make a brick house
its block physics that make the game itself
theres no proof that youre using cement with the bricks
gray nebula
iirc balance > logic
hearty plaza
^
uneven wing
Stop trying to put real world physics in terraria
worthy fiber
just stick with that instead of trying to logic, we'll just go around in circles
mental path
i agree but anvils are already easy as hell to get, and you get 150 throwing bricks from the starter bag
worthy fiber
So why remove the anvil?
mental path
so why need the anvil?
mental path
i agree but anvils are already easy as hell to get, and you get 150 throwing bricks from the starter bag
gray nebula
mental path
what
mental path
im losing many brain cells just talking here rn
clay is easy to find and is in big clumps, 2 clay = 1 red brick = 25 throwing bricks
worthy fiber
let me make it clear then :/
The game provides you with bricks, but you have a limited source. Get an anvil so you can get more. yay, progression.
That's literally it why would you bother with that
mental path
you can use 150 bricks for quite a while... much longer than needed to have an anvil by the point you've used them all
hearty plaza
so whats the point of moving them from anvil
mental path
common sense
worthy fiber
Different people waste different amounts of bricks, anyways
idk man kinda seems counterproductive
mental path
it's already a brick... just throw it, why is an anvil required? what are you doing to the brick to make it "throwable"?
frail mantle
You’re breaking apart a solid chunk of bricks
worthy fiber
We just said trying to apply real world logic into terraria wouldn't make sense, and that the progression in the mod benefits more from having an anvil
that's it
hearty plaza
when do we get the option to just throw the solid chunk of bricks at enemies smh
tepid root
worthy fiber
Sandgun probably counts, it's sand
frail mantle
Throwing Bricks EX
mental path
terraria has some real world logic
tepid root
lol ok
mental path
but its not enough to make it realistic
mental path
like for example: you heat up clay to make bricks, just like the real world
r u kidding me rn
worthy fiber
I just don't see how beneficial this suggestion will be considering what we've discussed
mental path
its not just for logic, its just annoying to get an anvil for something logical to do without one
hearty plaza
if you find getting an anvil annoying you have bigger problems than throwing bricks requiring an anvil
mental path
unless you dont stumble against some iron/lead it is annoying
hearty plaza
you literally just need to get 50 silver and 2 houses
which is
not hard in the slightest
fervent citrus
basically, there are many illogical stuff in the mod, and changing them to make sense will break the progression/gameplay/playthrough, which is not something worth for to the majority
mental path
it harder to get 50 silver and 2 houses than 15 ore
fervent citrus
yes, thats true
mental path
what part of not requiring an anvil to make throwing bricks would break the progression/gameplay/playthrough
worthy fiber
Aren't throwing bricks pretty strong?
mental path
and anvils are easily accessible?
worthy fiber
They're accessible, but you have to get the ore
Which means going out into the world for a bit, and generally through the underground layer
which is past the clay blocks
Y'know mining blah blah
fervent citrus
hmm, lemme put it like this:
mental path
clay blocks are really easy to find willow
worthy fiber
Yes, that's my point
mental path
you see a lot just walking around
worthy fiber
Yes
fervent citrus
even if the bricks are craftable by hand, it wont make much of a difference in the pile of illogical stuff anyways 
mental path
^
worthy fiber
And if you go further in progression you should be able to renew bricks
fervent citrus
so why suggest? 
worthy fiber
The whole thing's been spelt out
mental path
it's already a brick... just throw it, why is an anvil required? what are you doing to the brick to make it "throwable"?
worthy fiber
bad typing :/
fervent citrus
yea, thats one of many weird stuff 
mental path
yes so my suggestion it to make it not weird
worthy fiber
How many times have we brought up logic already
mental path
thats a bad excuse
worthy fiber
It's your excuse 
fervent citrus
ight i give up arguing, imma go nohit QB bye
worthy fiber
Take care
mental path
"logic doesnt count for games" is a bad excuse
fervent citrus
this aint goin anywhere anyways 
worthy fiber
contradiction moment
worthy fiber
imagine attacking the character instead of the argument 😳
worthy fiber
if you argue for logic then you must believe that brick blocks are more than bricks, right
mental path
we just talked about that....
worthy fiber
as bricks use cement to adhere to each other
yes
You're contradicting yourself because you say that the bricks can just float
While arguing that real-life logic is important for games
mental path
i can have floating bricks that are immovable, therefore i can make a brick house
its block physics that make the game itself
but its not enough to make it realistic
i didnt say the whole game is logical
i said it has some logic
worthy fiber
So if you think the game should define its own logic, where will you base that off?
fervent citrus
wait wait wait, lets try this again: Breaks says that some piece of gameplay in the mod doesnt make sense, willow points out that it wont make much of a difference anyway, i say that making it logical will lead to lower 'gamplay quality' we will call it (all with me? k). So my logical solution for this is.... drumroll
see whether the sugg reaches 120 votes
worthy fiber
ah yes that is indeed a good suggestion
fervent citrus
worthy fiber
this is a democracy after all
fervent citrus
yes
worthy fiber
or part of it
mental path
most good suggestions dont reach 120 stars so that doesnt settle anything
fervent citrus
ok, your solution?
worthy fiber
Maybe your suggestion wasn't good :/
fervent citrus
wait wait, let him speak
worthy fiber
sorry :/
mental path
i dont have one other than getting you to understand to prove my point
fervent citrus
understand that...?
mental path
...that an anvil shouldnt be needed to throw bricks
mental path
correction: its one brick
pulsar jay
you're already home, just craft the throwing bricks at your fuckin house
mental path
what
pulsar jay
YOU JUST SAID 150 BRICKS IS MORE THAN ENOUGH TIME TO GET AN ANVIL
mental path
yes, but why do i need an anvil?
pulsar jay
notice that the bricks are large chunks of brick
but the throwing bricks are a single brick tile
mental path
its one brick, as suggested by its name
pulsar jay
look at the spirte
mental path
look at the name
pulsar jay
then how do you get 25 bricks to throw from 2 bricks
mental path
its 1 brick to 25 throwing bricks so that you dont have to use up all the clay from the world to make a stack
its for gameplay purposes that you get 25 from 1
mental path
i just talked about logic earlier
tepid root
yeah this is what youre saying lol
gray nebula
also it might be called "red brick" but it looks like multiple bricks
mental path
that is not what im trying to say
gray nebula
ok cool but like could we stop
this argument isnt going anywhere
basically logic doesn't apply, it's crafted at an anvil because balance
mental path
im saying logic doesnt apply when it shouldnt, or when it needs to not for the game to be itself
gray nebula
balance,,m
mental path
its just as balanced as having it not craftable with an anvil
gray nebula
,,,;
pulsar jay
alright man you need to pump the breaks
mental path
ok that made me laugh
gray nebula
no because throwing bricks are strong,, and so you need to be slighly more advanced
so you can't just craft them directly before even going mining
mental path
then why do you get them from the starter bag?
pulsar jay
serious though, someone needs to take a break from this conversation because it's going nowhere
mental path
i can go a full mining session without using the 150 bricks i get from the bag, yet you say that?
gray nebula
ok cool
pulsar jay
if you can go for a full mining session without using the bricks you can craft an anvil before you even run out
mental path
even if the bricks are craftable by hand, it wont make much of a difference in the pile of illogical stuff anyways
as lulminite said earlier
gray nebula
some people prefer to explore
that sure as hell is wacky
wulfrum controller is obtained in the starter bag yet it is also crafted at an anvil,;em
mental path
yes so having it need an anvil or not is the same balance-wise, but its more logical to have it not need an anvil
mental path
thats because every other wulfrum thing is crafted at the anvil
pulsar jay
Cirrusly, why the fuck is this still happening
mental path
then whats your process of thinking as a dev? "having this be made at an anvil and by hand is almost the same balance-wise... what should i do to decide?"
gray nebula
ok
mental path
i say look at logical stuff
fervent citrus
wait we still about logic?
mental path
they brought it back
tired haven
Oh dear, what a mess
pulsar jay
you're converting a block of bricks into a bunch of throwable briked
fervent citrus
...maybe they are reviewing your suggestion? 
pulsar jay
what are you going to do? break it by hand?
fervent citrus
ye, this is a mess
pulsar jay
it's the start of the game you're not a god yet you can't do that
mental path
Hadari, you do much more illogical stuff during the crafting process
gray nebula
,,;
pulsar jay
listen dude I'm about to break your neck
gray nebula
m
fervent citrus
tired haven
If you want to talk about illogical stuff, creating a full block of bricks only to disassemble them into a bunch is also illogical, let's craft those special bricks separately /s
mental path
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465195069406707722/685461505197604864/unknown.png its one brick
fervent citrus
how about this: you can craft clay blocks only with an anvil
pulsar jay
it's a brick BLOCK
worthy fiber
^
tired haven
^
delicate marsh
You can see multiple bricks in the spirte
mental path
lulminite then that wouldnt make any sense
fervent citrus
why? :P
mental path
because you need to heat up clay to make a brick
gray nebula
I thought logic didnt apply m
worthy fiber
It's a block of red brick, like how you have a block of noodles
fervent citrus
wait, are we talking about clay blocks or bricks?
delicate marsh
This is turning into insanity
worthy fiber
it's not one noodle
pulsar jay
who gives a fuck?! how do you sit in a glass chair
delicate marsh
Carefully
mental path
yes but who said the bricks are stuck together? we talked about this a little earlier
gray nebula
ok epic challenge : stop talking about this suggestion
fervent citrus
fuck it, im leaving
gray nebula
or I ask the other devs to strait up remove throwing briccks
fervent citrus
cant believe we can get so low to argue about bricks
delicate marsh
So, does summoner have a sort of ultimate accessory like the elemental gauntlet or elemental quiver?
worthy fiber
Statis Belt thing
zenith hazel
statis' belt of curses
indigo fog
^
worthy fiber
Though it doesn't do anything for sentries but I guess it's like the yoyo situation
zenith hazel
imagine sentries post-DoG iirc
mental path
ok instead how about this so we ignore all the "brick block" crap: 2 clay at furnace = throwing bricks, no need to convert into red bricks
zenith hazel
bricks are already getting their recipe toned down next update, move on
fervent citrus
ayyy
pulsar jay
nani?
fervent citrus
thats good news
zenith hazel
and we're not gonna balance around common sense, that'd be nonsensical for terraria
tired haven
5/5 stats of rogue in the belt is about nothing in lategame tbh
pulsar jay
👏 👏 👏
fervent citrus
lategame for summoner kinda
zenith hazel
that's like wrong but ok
pulsar jay
let's talk about yoyos
zenith hazel
where have I heard this before
pulsar jay
how much content does calamity add for them besides the weapons themselves?
tired haven
Probably there
mental path
and we're not gonna balance around common sense, that'd be nonsensical for terraria
thats like saying you dont have common sense
pulsar jay
terraria has no common sense
mental path
it does
fervent citrus
yes yes, whatever
zenith hazel
ok
fervent citrus
ah shit here we go again
zenith hazel
but like, move on from the damn suggestion already
pulsar jay
you're a beetle fucking swinging around a flail that shoots bubbles
mental path
im not saying the entire game is logical @pulsar jay
zenith hazel
if it gets delivered then the devs will consider
pulsar jay
nobody cares
fervent citrus
how about this: queen bee starts firing stingers a bit later after dashing at high speeds in dmode
good sugg, right?
cuz after dashes you inevtably get hit
i do anyway
pulsar jay
Dmode: Getting hit by queen bee spawns some bees
how do people nohit skeletron before clothier moves in
skeletron should be briefly unable to damage you when spawned
summoning him is the cheapest shit
tepid root
yes
tired haven
Old as world suggestion iirc
also tbh just a bit of positioning made it that I never got spawnkilled after a single incident
fervent citrus
pulsar jay
where are you positioning yourself though
fervent citrus
below :P
pulsar jay
.-.
tired haven
To the side, then dash like 0.5 secs after activation
tepid root
still kinda ech
pulsar jay
not everyone is using a dash
tired haven
doubt
fervent citrus
i do, do i count :P
tired haven
Well I mean normal mode players don't... but they also don't nohit
pulsar jay
I don't think any of the battles were designed exclusively to be completable only with a dash
tepid root
i mean even out of no hits, its just a cheap hit
tired haven
Okay okay you can just drop down or even walk away with high MS, dash is just universal option
pulsar jay
how much yoyo content does calamity add other than the yoyos themselves?n
does it add yoyo bag upgrades?
tired haven
Nothing. Because the only melee subclass that was blessed in first place is said yoyo
thx vanilla
pulsar jay
because redigit is a yoyo enthusiast
I don't think i spelled his name right cause i am a retard
tepid root
MS?
pulsar jay
idk read it on the wiki
"In real life, Redigit is a yoyo enthusiast and makes personal use of One Drop YoYos.[1] In addition to their designs being introduced to Terraria, One Drop released real-world counterparts to the Kraken and Terrarian"
tired haven
movement speed
tepid root
oh
pulsar jay
who has the movement speed for that?
you need a few seconds to accelerate if you have frostsparks
tired haven
Anyone who deliberately placed one sunflower and ate food
queen sail
Because rule of haha funny cool 😎
pulsar jay
let us turn caught piggies into pets
empty geyser
Imagine throwing bricks matter
young kindle
brick is love
tawdry cliff
Brick be useless as terra blade after moonlord
ashen warren
is it me or is the astral infection music too low compared to the rest of ingame music?
hollow shell
Volume-wise?
ashen warren
ye
fervent citrus
hmm, i had the same with hive minds theme