@tiny agate Word your suggestion like a suggestion, not a statement
#suggestions-discussion
hollow shell
because, ex:
"Cnidrion in death mode can shoot its projectile through blocks"
'It can?'
frosty dagger
When my DoG sug probably doesn't go through I'll make a version of it more common and post poltergast in a while
tiny agate
Ok
frail mantle
So, exactly the same as your sugg but only post-Polter?
hollow shell
@tiny agate That didn't help, it still says "can"
Word it like a request or a command
hard crescent
im just desperate at this point for a melee speed buff
tiny agate
Ok, it should be better now
hard crescent
@tiny agate "In death mode cnidrion should be able shoot its projectile through blocks"
hollow shell
"In Death Mode, make Cnidrion's projectiles go through blocks"
or that
yeah
keywords: "make" and "should be"
tiny agate
It's worded correctly now?
wooden wedge
mode not mod
hollow shell
Yeah that's good
But you mispelled 'mode' lol
tiny agate
I probably just accidentally deleted the e
wooden wedge
I don't think that it needs a comma either
tiny agate
Or i'm just stupid (but it's probably both)
Ok
wooden wedge
maybe "make cnidrion in death mode"
tiny agate
Passable is perfect
wooden wedge
so getting a 60 on a test is perfect to you?
hollow shell
smh don't be mean
tiny agate
it isn't failing
tawny gyro
hey so
is it intended for Galeforce to be upgraded to Heavenly Gale?
directly?
a pre-hm weapon?
tired haven
Umm... exo weapons are normally crafted of quite a few earlier weps of same style, regardless of tier (altho using higher ones when possible)
tawny gyro
galeforce is a pre-hm bow made with aerialite bars
tired haven
i didn't change that so idk
tawny gyro
it feels weird to just dig up some weapon you didn't use for 2 whole sections of the game (mid pre-hm -> late post-ml) and upgrade it into exo stuff
queen sail
Anyways jawer if this is surprising to you reminder that Celestus used to straight up just use Crystalline
terse sundial
It really doesn't change much with it being there
tired haven
Then it would feel weird to dig up like half a dozen pre-mech weps too, wouldn't it?
tawny gyro
i actually didn't know about that
for most of exo weapons (afaik atleast) there's barely any weapons that get upgraded from start of hm or before
the only one I recall was Celestus, which used to have Spear of Paleolith and Pwnagehammer, but that got changed
and i'm pretty sure there was a reason to include a mid-upgrade between seashell boomerang and elemental disk, which was also a pre-hm -> post-ml jump
tired haven
Ball o Fugu
Urchin Flail
Flarewing Bow
Ancient Ice Chunk
tbf I confused two post-mech weps with pre-mech, phoenix blade and flarefrost blade
tired haven
I mean, well, it does make sense to move/replace earlier ones, it just would have to be more throughout that 1 example like galeforce
tawny gyro
that'd be a lot of work tho
tawny gyro
unless, instead of making upgrades to them, we just pin some of them up to other, already existing weapons
like uhhhhh
seafoam bomb, that got pinned up to ballistic poison bomb
for the sake of supernova i belive?
cuz before they were unrelated
you couldn't add up all the loose weapons like this, but it might work for some of them
sly lily
about the ninja npc suggestion, could it be Statis or is that a don't? (I mean, the whole "no body, no death" cliche)
because lorewise the ninjas are... like, dead
sly lily
the entry says he got thrown in the dimension and Yharim heard screams
hollow shell
Galeforce replaced Phangasm?
RIP
sly lily
then again, it is precisely King Slime having the NPC ninja... and the clan of Statis used things from Slime God...
tawny gyro
i don't think people, even demigods, would survive getting disarmed and yeeted into the shadow dimension
and didn't Statis's armor look like the Statigel armor?
hollow shell
Oh
Phangasm is used for Contagion now, cuz it used Phantasm before
That makes sense
sly lily
@tawny gyro precisely, Statis clan used artifacts from Slime God
the armor is a look alike
tawny gyro
it could've been a member of the clan, but probably not Statis himself
sly lily
perhaps yeah, if a Ninja npc does get implemented (or perhaps substitues the Bandit)
tawny gyro
in that case it would make sense
sly lily
not just the barrels, regarding the last suggestion, every type dropped from WoF seems like a nice candidate for upgrades
like different planes for summoner, Cloud sword upgrades in FF7, etc
I agree the barrels are a fun weapon though and in fact quite a bit of them are but then stop upgrade lines at DoG and such
ashen warren
You all know Molten Globs?
The Providence projectile that lingers on the ground/platform? I propose that it shouldnβt do damage until it lands on said ground/platform.
It sucks to try to dodge the set of globs by jumping over the flame that spawns them just to get booped in the butt by one of the high flying globs.
Is this a good idea or am I just a bad player
wooden wedge
what
vocal grotto
Yeah, #calamity-mod-talk would be better suited 
naive ferry
I didn't noticed I was here
wooden wedge
it says #suggestions-discussion in like 3 places
frosty dagger
My DoG sug is at 106, so close to sending the meme
sand umbra
can't wait for it to be instantaneously rejected
gray nebula
frosty dagger
It would be the most rediculous thing to get it by far
frosty dagger
It's fine if it gets rejected, but can you tell me how many of y'all voted for it if it makes it
gray nebula
hue
left crest
12 to go
frosty dagger
I think I'll also add a post provi alternative
sand umbra
...eh fuck it I got nothing better to star
might as well help see this meme through to delivery 
frosty dagger
ashen warren
gray nebula
godlike reasoning
karmic stone
@fluid mortar
- Ew sprites
- Reasoning h
distant gyro
- lol shadowspec tbh
karmic stone
Dev furniture
gray nebula
also out of all the furniture suggestions, that's the one I wouldn't approve
karmic stone
Every piece is dedicated to 1 dev
queen sail
Dev furniture
Dev furniture
versed mica
Thats in the no's isnt it
tepid root
fear
distant gyro
brb dev item being shadow toilet
gray nebula
mmm
queen sail
Fab Chair
distant gyro
tepid root
apoth toilet
karmic stone
Toilet is dedicated to Fab yes
queen sail
Terry Toilet
gray nebula
my dev item is now shadowspec candle
karmic stone
π³
queen sail
And Cooperβs a lamp
karmic stone
Ok but really this sugg is cringe
still imp
hello everyone
gray nebula
but yes add a reason @fluid mortar
still imp
I want to share this
Note: I'm aware that server suggestions are against the rules of #suggestions-voting so I've decided to speak here in hope for any of the higher-ups thoughts. I apologise if I still have broken any rules, I don't intend to bother.
Suggestion: Pin this video in #help-advice-read-pins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqtR4KQfpkA
Reason: He spent 300 hours to make this insane video with very little attention. I simply feel he deserves more love after the time and effort spent.
gray nebula
m..,
gray nebula
couldn't the original creator just ask a mod if it can go into #youtube-videos
distant gyro
- Footages get outdated really, really easily
queen sail
Especially when we, like
still imp
oh i saw it in the don'ts of google docs
distant gyro
And let me tell you that footage is already outdated
queen sail
Change some bossesβ attacks almost every update
gray nebula
that's just the name of the category
distant gyro
It's pre-ripper nerf
gray nebula
only banned server suggestions are meme channel suggestions
distant gyro
Verde got defiled soul like some months ago
sand umbra
something something insert joke about how DoG changes every other update
distant gyro
Well, most importantly it's pre-death mode overhaul
sand umbra
gray nebula
also it's not really a tutorial on how to beat the bosses on dad mode isn't it?
distant gyro
So literally every boss but king slime is outdated
still imp
oh i dont know the creator personally as well but he only received 200 views so i wanted to share with everyone
pulsar jay
hyphae rod needs a nerf
gray nebula
Byeah just ask a mod about it
queen sail
Provide damage tests
queen sail
Okay, but like
pulsar jay
well not a single hit
karmic stone
Unequip Ethereal Talisman iirc
pulsar jay
since it summons a lot
still imp
which chat was it? #youtube-videos
queen sail
Can you show a video with gear or smth
distant gyro
A. That's illegal what
B. EoC is technically is pre-crab and its niche is charging enemies
queen sail
Also crab is post eoc so
still imp
how can i do that?
gray nebula
uh....,,,
pulsar jay
alright
zenith hazel
idk
distant gyro
I think they could ask that themselves
gray nebula
dm a mod
distant gyro
It's not like
pulsar jay
i guess this thing will help carry me through pre hardmode
still imp
is brav mod??
distant gyro
The person who made this video is on this server or anything
zenith hazel
yeah feel free to dm if you need and I'll forward it to other moderators
queen sail
I think heβs in here already
still imp
ahh i see its not my video so
zenith hazel
or just ask the guy who uploaded the video himself to ask me
distant gyro
@ Verde#7188 yes
zenith hazel
latter's probably the better option byeah
distant gyro
mfw man has 1 message on here
pulsar jay
that's not particularly the point
the fact that it insta killed eoc means the weapon achieved 3k dps
which is real crazy for such an early weapon
distant gyro
probably really do record the footage
pulsar jay
I don't have a screen recorder
distant gyro
if it's instakill like you say it should be enough to fit this server's 100MB upload limit
gray nebula
nerf tarragon throwing darts because it kills provi fast
distant gyro
nerf exo weapons because they kill yharon fast.,.,.
zenith hazel
ok
pulsar jay
if it can can kill an enemy with 3k health in nearly an instant, what do you think it's going to do to eow? a boss who literally gets eaten by pierce
distant gyro
The reason I didn't have any trust in this assertion is that I've tried hyphae rod on queen bee before, which is also a charging boss and in about the upcoming progression
still imp
hey brav would it be fine if its forwarded to the mods despite not owning the video cuz it might be too iffy i guess?
distant gyro
It dealt about 80 dps
zenith hazel
I'd rather you asked the person who posted the vid about it first
distant gyro
Nowhere near 3k
still imp
ah okay thank you
distant gyro
as many as the fight lasts.
pulsar jay
you can build the hyphae rod before the fight starts
and stack them pretty much as much as you want
pulsar jay
there definitely could be a restriction on how many you could have on the field at a time
zenith hazel
it's pretty hard to use against EoW due to how the AI works
so like no, not that effective against it
sand umbra
literally designed against BoC tho
ashen warren
What were we talking about?
pulsar jay
well
eow was easy
his segments die in one hit from the rod, so he had no feasible way of touching me
he just crumbled
sand umbra
EoW takes some AI manipulation to get the good shit
but when you do get the good shit, the result is just the worm itself imploding
with BoC you don't even need to prepare
in the time it takes for BoC to get near you you've already built up a mostly sustainable minefield of spores
and because BoC is affected by knockback it literally can't touch you
pulsar jay
honestly the spore's dps peaks when the bosses are immune to knockback because they can touch every spore at once
as a result it can kill in seconds
sand umbra
both BoC's Creepers and BoC itself just implode against it
free loot
you barely even have to move
pulsar jay
I don't do crimson worlds
sand umbra
pulsar jay
i stopped doing it because face monsters scare me
sand umbra
well now you can nuke all of them with the power of Hyphae Rod
pulsar jay
I'm not scared of the face monster itself
it's tbe fucking sounds they make
queen should make a passive buzzing noise whenever she's alive just to annoy us
zenith hazel
even then, you're still risking getting hit by BoC creepers, so hyphae rod's not the safest option in the world either
sand umbra
the only way you're getting hit by those creepers is if they come from under you
zenith hazel
or any other direction because hyphae rod's kb is pitiful
pulsar jay
if the come from under you you just jump the other way
sand umbra
they die in 2-3 hits tops anyway
and again, you are given plenty of time to build up a makeshift shield of spores
pulsar jay
also if they aren't affected by the hyphae Rod's knockback they run through all of them and die instantly
sand umbra
so either way they just die
zenith hazel
the only thing that gets remotely affected is BoC itself, which spins itself into the spores
sand umbra
then because BoC isn't KB immune it literally can't touch you and just dies
not 100% safe, of course (there are definitely ways for Creepers to hit you and in rarer cases BoC itself)
but it's extremely consistent and kills very quickly (consistently under a minute)
pulsar jay
boc has the lowest max life of any boss
zenith hazel
need I remind you that you can't really facetank with a mage loadout either
sand umbra
you can just
move.
you can literally move 5 feet in the direction opposite BoC and be fine
zenith hazel
so basically move all over the place to dodge BoC and hope to god the spores connect somehow?
sand umbra
no
you're severely overestimating how much you actually need to move if using Hyphae Rod
in fact, you put yourself at greater risk by opting to "move all over the place"
zenith hazel
but you're dodging BoC at the same time, no?
wary canyon
sand umbra
again: you're severely overestimating how much you actually need to move if using Hyphae Rod
sand umbra
I did this a couple more times before this btw
got about the same results
every single time it comes out to the 0:30-0:40 region
zenith hazel
and every time I do it, it's heavily dependent on where BoC decides to teleport
and sometimes he just wouldn't throw his creepers at you for whatever reason
sand umbra
how much were you moving around?
zenith hazel
same movement as yours
zenith hazel
byeah luck weapon but good when you use it, moving on
sand umbra
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
queen sail
Thomas I will smite you
sand umbra
wut
cloud surge
Make catastrophe drop the Brimstone Flameblaster, not Cataclsym
Currently, Cataclysm drops both of the flamethrowers from the calamitas fight. The Brimstone Flameblaster fires bouncing fireballs, which is similar to catastrophe's attack, so Catastrophe should drop the flameblaster that way both brothers have 1 flamethrower drop and their flamethrowers are similar to the attack of the brother that dropped it.
cloud surge
cataclysm drops 2 flamethrowers, catastrophe drops 1 rogue weapon
tepid root
that is wack
cobalt rose
shouldn't cataclysm drop the flamblaster and catastrophe drop havoc's breath?
cloud surge
no, flameblaster shoots bouncing, catastrophe shoots bouncing
indigo fog
I mean it's always better to provide your reason instead of saying nothing
hollow shell
@tawdry cliff Add an explanation anyway
tawdry cliff
Needing to take up a valuable accessory slot for music is small brain
indigo fog
This has also been suggested before right
karmic stone
The point that there are other mods that help with that and thus Clam needn't do it came up more than once iirc
karmic stone
The "works in vanity slots" one?
tawdry cliff
Mod that makes vanity slots have effects?
karmic stone
Mod that makes music boxes work in vanity slots
karmic stone
mighty knot
Um would it be considered a 'don't' if I requested an Eidolon Wyrm pet?
(since specific items are denied, I think)
mighty knot
because eidolon wyrms are cool and iconic imo
potent veldt
There already is a Eidolon Wyrm pet
mighty knot
...really?
potent veldt
It's called the Adult Eidolon Wyrm
potent veldt
Take him home with you
mighty knot
but that doesn't count
because it kills you if you hit it
and it takes up the screen
potent veldt
As it should
hollow shell
Eidolon pet is specifically in the Don'ts
indigo fog
Under frequently suggested
potent veldt
I keep forgetting Calamity Vanities exists
potent veldt
Although I am to believe that CalVan isn't available right now
Or something like that
distant gyro
Recently Delivered Suggestions
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god I hate finding people's tags
sand umbra
oh my chungus
quick ice
Damn, I guess I was wrong about the 120 βs change from a while back being too high
quick ice
This is the most active that Iβve ever seen the suggestions channel
devout seal
good lawd.
that's alot
empty geyser
Oof my suggestion.
distant gyro
yea
empty geyser
This is a perfect example of "begone thought"
distant gyro
I start picking off on Yata's suggestion delivery on 22 Feb
empty geyser
That thought can now begone.
quick ice
Even if itβs backlogged, the channel itself is filled with tons of suggestions from the past few days which means more are being posted than before
empty geyser
Time to wait for my new suggestion to get denied.
distant gyro
2 weeks moment
also people who I didn't ping are either
- already left
- has dev access
- belated neutral response
distant gyro
imagine pinging someone about a neutral suggestion when they were made in 18 Feb
sand umbra
wait, Shucks left?
distant gyro
that'd be somewhat awkward and unnecessary
sand umbra
sad
distant gyro
hollow shell
Oh, damn
Didn't realize that
ashen warren
wtf shuc left
sand umbra
what even happened to make them leave 
ashen warren
its a good idea to leave servers if it bothers u tho
distant gyro
the last words were from this channel
ik shucks doesn't have a necessary good relationship with this place in particular
sand umbra
m
bitter drift
wait MY SUGGESTION PASSED!
gusty geode
Mfw DoG mugging the player is actually almost at the point of being delivered
sand umbra
from a gameplay standpoint it'd take too many restrictions and balancing quirks to be worth it
but conceptually it's godly and that's honestly why it's gotten as far as it has
personally I think it should be after the death of the Sentinels
late cypress
My suggestion passed but it doesn't count because it was already going to be added
hollow shell
Brothers weapon theming is fucked
the Catastrophe-like flamethrower has the Cataclysm color scheme, and vice-versa
thin shale
I know right
Besides, I feel like Catastrophe should have dropped 2 weapons instead of one like Cataclysm does (But since we can't suggest weapon names, I couldn't really mention it).
hollow shell
Well I think the bigger issue is that it'd be separate ideas in one suggestion
You could suggest that Catastrophe get another weapon if you want
just don't give any specific ideas
thin shale
Okay
hollow shell
Don't use "To sum it up" or anything tying into other suggestions like that
thin shale
ok
hollow shell
Suggestions should be able to stand on their own, considering they get sent to the dev server individually
sand umbra
Brothers weapon theming makes about as much sense as the fact that brothers tend to be more of a threat than Clonamitas herself:
none
thin shale
fervent citrus
Change the healthbar system
Reason: Right now, the healthbars tend to get funky in some situations, like ones where a boss has multiple segments or spawns minions (Eater of Worlds, for example). Changing the healthbar to show the boss' segments and projectiles/minions health in total would help rather a lot (except for situations like Calamitas clone, where the bars for the brother's health would be individual, this was suggested some time ago btw). Also, along with the change, another nice thing would be to
Redesign the boss healthbars
Reason: The healthbars now don't seem to fit much with the mod's "style". It looks more like it belongs to a game with a "high-tech" feel and changing it a bit would be nice.
Two suggs at once 
What do you guys think?
hollow shell
They better not be in the same message
Also Calamitas's health bars are getting changed
also you don't need to suggest the whole system get reworked when there are only a few cases where it's fucky
i.e. EoW
so just suggest that EoW's healthbar get changed
What other bosses are glitchy with their's?
distant gyro
the health bar design is a mgrr reference #7 iirc
hollow shell
It is indeed
hollow shell
That's Paladin's Shield
ashen warren
so this only works in multiplayer?
hollow shell
Yes
ashen warren
how does that actually work
hollow shell
You equip Paladin's Shield when you're the tank of the team, wearing Beetle Shell armor or something,
so when your weaker teammates take damage, 25% of that damage is inflicted onto you instead of them
ashen warren
ah so its for multiplayer use like capture the gem
ashen warren
what if both players have the paladins shield in multiplayer?
ashen warren
so the only useful thing in single player is the frozen turtle shell effect it gives
plus the deific amulet
ashen warren
alright
fervent citrus
Just cam back
The reason i mentioned EoW's healthbar system only as an example was cuz i sent an EoW healthbar rework sugg in the past and reposting that didnt sound comfortable
Not a good enough reason, is it? 
But i guess ill send the redesign part
timid pawn
Yes just relised that the health bar look like the one from metal gear rising revengeance
lilac fjord
a lot of the mod is just a reference to mgr
fervent citrus
Revengeance, murasama etc.
lilac fjord
Yes.
timid pawn
Prufiy it
fervent citrus
The last sugg is just dope
Make it look longer, and itll definitely get 120 votes
ashen warren
I actually already made a sugg to this effect before (back when my profile name was YOU WHAT!? because I canβt stop changing jt) and it passed
dirt-to-mud solutions can save lives
frosty dagger
They called me a madman...
Whelp, we made history (for better or worse).
Ngl I thought that would top at in the twenties
gray nebula
m,,;.
ashen warren
lul
tired haven
Mini-observation:
Suggestions that are for making all of the content easier to access VS suggestions that are for making content less streamlined and varied
(ngl I'd prefer if shrine items stay as is. They are supposed to be 
stuff, not something you use every pt)
frosty dagger
Very well said
foggy plover
lowkey I want to star that just for the pain of finding shrines for fargos enchantments
opal barn
but my true melee playthrough won't work without that shrine item! π‘
tired haven
Pretty sure fargos is 90% of reason why people even bother with making shrines easier to locate 
tiny agate
Fargos calamity is just pain and suffering, and pretty sure it's supposed to be like that
bitter drift
i had the idea of making a post ML summoner sentry gear, accessories and more weapons in calamity
but the weapons are specific and i'm not sure people would like the ideas i have
ashen warren
specific item suggestions are don'ts?
bitter drift
the reason i had these ideas? well post ML all the way to DoG is doable with sentry gear :/
@ashen warren yes
tired haven
Just believe in yourself harder and energy staff all the way to a grave yharon. Scal is douche anyway
bitter drift
?? who talked about yharon??
fervent citrus
I would like to suggest a new mechanic specifically for dmode to the mod, but im not sure whether those are allowed :l
bitter drift
by that i mean that DoG is also impossible with sentries
zenith hazel
why are you fighting with only sentries?
bitter drift
@fervent citrus what is it?
bitter drift
@zenith hazel never said i did
but you really can do that creg spike and energy staff can kill prov polter the gradians and the sentinels
Llmnt death penalty? explain!
zenith hazel
then why are you saying DoG is impossible with sentries?
bitter drift
let's see: you need at least half of the world to fight him in ranger
zenith hazel
what does ranger have to do with this?
tired haven
Uhh...
also it's wrong anyway. you barely need 1000 blocks wide
zenith hazel
yeah you don't need half a world
fervent citrus
Basically the more deaths to a boss, the less dmg you and the boss deal no shit that sounds stupid
bitter drift
ranger is the easiest class if you need half the world to beat DoG in ranger imagine summoner and sentries with low range you need to get out of their sight again and again and the DoG's body segments will probably not be attacked by sentries
@fervent citrus ok no
just no
tired haven
Fargos scaling but boss becomes peaceful instead 
fervent citrus
Yes, ive noticed the flaw 
bitter drift
bosses in death are already a good challenge
tired haven
Restricting yourself to outdated sentries is also a challenge so yeah
bitter drift
energy staff is an outdated sentry?
zenith hazel
you don't even need half the world to beat DoG and ranger's not objectively the easiest class so like lole
fervent citrus
imagine a sentry subclass 
tired haven
(especially since summoner class implies using minions)
Well, if it wasn't outdated why would you want to add more?
(or at least bring up such reasoning)
ashen warren
rogue is the easiest to beat dog with tbh
bitter drift
well i guess sentries are outdated by pretty much 70% because calamity doesn't care about sentries as much as everything else
bitter drift
like as of now there is not a single calamity accessory for sentry summons
no calamity armor as well
hazy timber
sentries do suck, aren't they supposed to be a tool for farming? since they're stationary
bitter drift
and the armors you do have are worth a tier before where you get them
fervent citrus
I never actually think about sentries
bitter drift
(btw they are the 2 OOA sets)
fervent citrus
I never even fight OOA
bitter drift
so i guess this is a problem of it's own
@hazy timber in vanilla, maybe?
in calamity, hell no
just look at the cryogenic staff
hazy timber
most bosses move around way too much, using sentries against them is pointless
zenith hazel
why is there a need for calamity sentry accessories?
hazy timber
i don't get you, why are you mentioning a dev item
bitter drift
told ya
bitter drift
@hazy timber and btw this staff (cryogenic) does it easy with every boss up to PLANTERRA
it's a pre mech item
zenith hazel
your point being?
it's a good sentry, it carries you up to plantera, so do some minions
summoner during mechs is already pretty painful on its own already, having a good sentry that supports minions doesn't hurt at all
bitter drift
no the point is that sentries can be a good subclass that ISN'T for farming
ashen warren
hes saying since it has decent weaps it should be a viable as a standalone class?
bitter drift
@gray nebula The Cryogenic Staff is a Hardmode sentry sold by the Archmage NPC. When summoned, the ice sentry fires an ice ball that inflicts the Frostburn debuff. After being deployed for three seconds, the sentry begins to spin and fire icicles in all directions, with the fire rate of the icicles increasing over time until it reaches its top speed.
- calamity wiki
zenith hazel
so... how does farming play a role in this?
bitter drift
HOW IS IT A DEV ITEM!
tired haven
ngl at this point my brain has a stroke because themes switch every 3 messages
gray nebula
the sentry is a reference to cooper's character
frail mantle
it's an item dedicated to a dev
bitter drift
it was made by cooper
frail mantle
therefore it's a dev item
ashen warren
It does not have to be post Scal to be a dev item
ashen warren
ok so what does cryogenic staff being a developer item have to do with whatever adir's point is
gray nebula
it's broken because it's a dev item 
tired haven
gray nebula
also it's a sentry and theres not a lot of those so I guess it makes sense for it to be strong because you're gonna use it for quite some time
ashen warren
o
gray nebula
all of the mechs + mech alts + clone
tired haven
Literally any other calamity sentry would like to talk to you
frail mantle
sentries are usually stronger than minions because you can have less of them compared to Minions
gray nebula
that too
hazy timber
i guess they want other good sentries to use post-ml?
ashen warren
Intense energy staff noises
hazy timber
ikr
ashen warren
Itβs not like suggesting additions to weapons in a subclass at a tier is banned...
hazy timber
frost hydra upgrade sounds cool, always hated playing summoner because of lacking options
now i see why people play melee, so much variety
ashen warren
Honestly itβs just that much of Calamityβs additions are melee
By Post Plant, all of my melee weapons are modded
Whereas half of my magic weapons are literally vanilla weapons
gray nebula
yeah don't worry repuls
we are already trying to add new summoner content
to make the experience less linear
ashen warren
I hear itβs hard because adding summons is
hazy timber
maybe an issue is that i have just recently learned that you can target mobs by right clicking on em
sly lily
We would have many more sentries if it was like that...
hazy timber
never knew that even after playing for years
gray nebula
yeah summons are a pain to code and sprite
sly lily
Or sentries too?
gray nebula
instead of just creating a sword sprite and giving it a basic function you need to sprite the weapon the summon, the buff and then it's AI
sly lily
So...an enemy?
gray nebula
yeah summon AIs and enemy Als are pretty similar
round falcon
some summons are easier to bootleg thematically
gray nebula
yeah but that's boring
delicate marsh
Classless debuff weapons would probably help summoner a bit too.
round falcon
case in point: sea star summons from scourges
however some are just hard to replicate (see: dragon and mechworm memes)
sly lily
Golden Gun all day every day @delicate marsh
sly lily
Golden Gun all day every day @delicate marsh
delicate marsh
Indeed. I saw the message the first time...
ashen warren
sad Lunic Eye obsolescence noises
the only good sentry would be the ones that follow above you, but they dont count as sentries as they take minion slots
frail mantle
Spikecrag Staff would like a word with you
@ oof post funnyy ppgasm vs spikechad video iirc
ashen warren
the only good sentry would be the ones that follow above you, but they dont count as sentries as they take minion slots
delicate marsh
Is there a glitch causing people to send the same message twice? I've seen that happen with two people?
delicate marsh
Ah, the spiky sprinkler system. Waters all the bosses with pain.
frail mantle
frail mantle
it's really strong ye
ashen warren
damn
frail mantle
strong enough that it's getting nerfed next update
ashen warren
and I thought the astral hive pod was the spammiest sentry
frail mantle
and that's just one of Clam Sentry Memes
you also have Hive Pog, Dreadmine (which can be really good if bosses charge into it) and Cooper Staff
delicate marsh
I'm curious? What's the point of Aether's Whisper being able to use two different damage types?
hazy timber
greedy mages taking me ranger weps
tepid root
more like every other class is greedy and is taking mage weapons tbh
frail mantle
toxic kettle
Using Aether's Whisper's ranged alt-fire also gets rid of the mana cost reduction from its modifier when you go back to the magic fire so splitting them sounds good, though you do have the nice option to switch to the ranged fire while you wait for your mana to recharge
ashen warren
Last time I played Summoner was when the sentry accessory glitch was a thing
It turns out six hive pods make an absolute pie out of Duke Fishron
gusty geode
About that jungle solution sug
Again, Chloro Ore converts dirt to mud
Not the quickest way to do it but it exists
tired haven
Does it? 
gusty geode
Yep
Not a lot of people seem to know this
hollow shell
That is indeed not a very quick nor reliable conversion method
tired haven
well while it does so, wew, it only happens in duo of chloro ore spread so virtually no benefit
Unless you specifically hit a cap of chloro ore in the area ig
And at this point it's easier to dig up dirt and craft into mud
queen sail
Squid thatβs like trying to clear a patch of corruption with pearlstone
ashen warren
is it possible for the devs to allow us to bypass the buffs/debuffs cap?
i was fighting and my minions disappeared due to the tremendous amount of buffs I had
ashen warren
oh
tawny gyro
Add some pre-hm ranger accesorries
As it stands, every class has a bunch of pre-hm accessories, with the sole exception of ranger. Mage is also a close second, but it atleast has stuff like the Nature's Gift or Mana Overloader - ranger has absolutely nothing until the start of hardmode.
hollow shell
That'll be a bluecheck but you can suggest that
distant gyro
the problem with phm ranger is that it's so op that it needs nothing to aid aside from its weapons
tawny gyro
really?
distant gyro
adding any kind of accessory/armor to ranger would fuck balance really hard
tawny gyro
i just spent 2 weeks getting bodyslammed by preferators
distant gyro
yea it's the strongest class by far
tawny gyro
and as rogue i did that in like 30 minutes
hollow shell
I thought it only got really strong later in the game?
tawny gyro
i thought ranger was the class that's mediocre the entire game - not bad, not great
tawny gyro
i've no idea how pumpler would do sub60
distant gyro
and you can't really nerf it a lot either because minishark also has a relatively equal kill time of around 80 seconds
tawny gyro
unless you maybe snipe with exploding pumpkins
distant gyro
tl;dr ranger weapons are the powerhouse
tawny gyro
and use something else than superball bullets
on my attempt that did like 1% of hive's health per second, if i was shooting continuously
which i couldn't, cuz i kinda had to not get wiped across the floor when it rammed into me
it's primary attack was very good against the worms tho, so there's that
distant gyro
(ik this is a while ago but that hp bar went fast)
frail mantle
karmic stone
Ranger is h in pre Hm yea
distant gyro
phm rangerβ’οΈ
hallow kraken
minishark until skeletron vanilla meme
distant gyro
tbf current perf with the headcharge is like infinitely harder to lock damage on
tawny gyro
yeah, that's probably the thing
hollow shell
tbf that's during an Adrenaline
ashen warren
also using rage/wrath/archery pots and probably also shark tooth necklace
distant gyro
(and all menacing, and stress pills)
tired haven
shark necklace is p bad for molten fury, there are all-class things like laudanum that give more dmg at this point
distant gyro
nohit loadout moment
tired haven
On something like pumpler tho sure
karmic stone
AP on slow weapons is cringe iirc
tired haven
Well yes
(unless it is shrapnel one)
frosty dagger
Whelp, the meme sug has gotten oofed.
opal barn
who'd have thought
frosty dagger
I'm surprised y'all even need a vote to know it would be 0-6.
tired haven
It's for visuals mostly tbf
tired haven
hollow shell
@maiden forge Fixed next update https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/369115362186231809/675063901792108557
mighty knot
ah
frosty dagger
I think I know why post ml feels like a boss rush
You are basically entirely invincible but when fighting bosses, and because that's the only time you can actually die, everything else just feels like a break between bosses
hollow shell
m
frosty dagger
Anyway...
Make most post ml bosses be able to naturally spawn.
This would help keep consistency with the rest of the game. You have random boss spawns but the moment post ml it just abruptly stops.
placid girder
Already planned next update iirc
frosty dagger
Oh ok, thanks
frosty dagger
Wait so is the sug coming later?
placid girder
As in the sugg about biome debuffs
frosty dagger
Or just nee content
radiant meadow
The suggestion can basically be deleted then
hearty yew
@maiden forge That's a bug, and one that has already been patched.
hollow shell
Ah I was referring to the post ml boss rush comparison getting fixed in the future
More PostML random Death boss spawns is not planned afaik
sand umbra
more post-ML world content is always appreciated
gray nebula
we,, are adding post ml fishing with extra rare fishing loots and extra rare drops so you spend more time farming isntead of killing bos,,ses
frail mantle
sand umbra
fishing is the only correct way to expand upon the world so I agree wholeheartedly with this
radiant meadow
fish up dev weapons
hollow shell
A dev could legit suggest their dev weapon be post-SCal fishable, couldn't they
radiant meadow
yes
gray nebula
exo fish
placid girder
Are there any actual restrictions on what a dev weapon could be
hollow shell
Dunno
radiant meadow
yes
hollow shell
"within reason", generally
Can't suggest a weapon that summons 3 new bosses and transports you to Minecraft
radiant meadow
mhm
placid girder
I'm guessing nothing that's an upgraded exo or legendary unless it's something special
(tbh get each dev to code their own item)
hollow shell
(hahayes, you know it)
(I hope y'all're fans of Monado Arts)
(because mine is slightly inspired by them)
radiant meadow
pretty sure most of the spriters will die upon glancing at code so like lol
frail mantle
isn't cocoon flames not resetting Adren because they don't technically damage you
robust lava
Monado Arts are a win, even if it's a slight inspiration
robust lava
This sugg definitely feels more like a bug
hazy timber
did they get an update where the flames started ignoring invulnerability frames?
frail mantle
if it's always been like that i'm guessing it's because the flames don't actually hurt you but rather heal you negatively, which is also why they ignore i-frames
hollow shell
I'm pretty sure the flames have always been antiheals
frail mantle
yea
shell lynx
It heals in reverse
hollow shell
They need to ignore i-frames
Well
okay they don't inherently apply nor check for i-frames
because they don't touch anything involving damage dealing
They're healing projectiles
.. that happen to heal for a negative value
I think it'd probably be possible to manually program i-frame application and checking into the projectile file
but if we ever did that, I don't know why we'd remove it again
frosty dagger
Brimstone elemetals not despawning is getting fixed next update right?
robust lava
25 - All bosses that didn't despawn before due to all players dying will now despawn. - Done
I'm assuming you're meaning that she's not despawning when you die, in which case it is fixed for next update
ashen warren
if Calamity now add health bar for both Cal's Brothers, Scal's Brother can be added too?
frail mantle
they already have em iirc
indigo fog
They already have health bars
ashen warren
really?
indigo fog
yes
frail mantle
pretty sure yea
indigo fog
i said it in my sugg
ashen warren
then, bring back the "Defeated Messages" of the Brothers
radiant meadow
defeated messages requires making npc.boss set to true
which can cause other issues
well
I guess you could add one manuallly
sand umbra
this is also how EoW classifies as a boss at all
toxic kettle
to challenge players to not be lazy
Something you can't expect from this playerbase tbf
sleek wadi
Damn now they'll need to use 5 dynamite instead of 2, what a massive time sink. Surely this will tests the player's drive to make an artificial biome
hollow shell
I don't think that's the main issue
In fact I think that runs counter to the main issue they're describing
radiant meadow
I just realized that isn't what they're trying to describe
hollow shell
m
radiant meadow
I completely missed the artificial part
tired haven
Byeah
radiant meadow
I thought the issue was that the biome was too small and they didn't have enough materials to build
tepid root
how would it be more helpful to builders tho
radiant meadow
I think the reason it is so low is that the blocks are unrenewable
I think
by adding a crafting recipe, the req could be raised and you could build more shit
tired haven
(or maybe it's so the cavern inserts of slag can keep up the biome without putting out said slug too much)?
radiant meadow
I thought the cavern inserts of slag were an unintentional worldgen quirk
and that making them not cause crags is ideal
tired haven
hmm
I thought it is intentional, to not limit players to that little y axis that underworld suggests
radiant meadow
perhaps
ashen warren
hollow shell
literally just got delivered
tepid root
i like how rover and ben reacted with blue check at the exact same time
radiant meadow
people love making slime god mines disappear
people don't seem to care about deus mines as much
very interesting
ashen warren
toxic kettle
Lemme just suggest that
unkempt bolt
deus is usually fought farther from your base than slime god is, in my experience
toxic kettle
π
radiant meadow
deus is probably a blue check too
ashen warren
Everyone talking about SG's Orb Mines but they doesn't talk about Astrum Deus's Astral Orb Mines
Pretty good huh
unkempt bolt
sg causes more deaths than astrum deus
ashen warren
unkempt bolt
quitting at an optional boss 
ashen warren
CrabBar, on your DAD run, you was killed most of Abyssal Orbs or Astral orbs
tired haven
It has been more than a year ago, how am i supposed to know? 
Altho by quick glance it was probably neither, bosses were quick enough to eat me instead of traps
ashen warren
ow
radiant meadow
@rancid laurel it was removed from the recipe for a reason
it's not getting added back
the wiki may just be outdated
hollow shell
wiki's gotta be updated, doing that now
ashen warren
Why it was removed?
tepid root
because why does a mirror have a black belt
tired haven
Because 2 black belts farm was meme
tepid root
also that
radiant meadow
because black belt farming is
tepid root
tepid root
why did a mirror have a black belt in its recipe tho
radiant meadow
we got like 6 tabis long before we got our 3 black belts (for mirror and 2 statis belts)
tired haven
because of the exact reasoning of that suggestion ig
ashen warren
Then
radiant meadow
has
tepid root
E
ashen warren
Black Belt was removed of the Recipe cuz Black belt it's hard to obtain?
hollow shell
Yes
And because you already need it for the Statis' belt line
radiant meadow
I'm just going to delete the suggestion since it's based on outdated information
and because I literally just undid that
radiant meadow
why not
hollow shell
It's not outdated
radiant meadow
well, he saw the wiki was outdated and based it on that
I guess outdated was the wrong word
ashen warren
Devs having a argument
radiant meadow
but it's a pointless suggestion
hollow shell
@rancid laurel Wiki has now been fixed, you can remove that bit from the suggestion
radiant meadow
why would I add black belt back after I literally just removed it?
tired haven
Because the better reasoning for it to actually be there would have been found
in this case it wasn't but you get what I mean
hollow shell
If the public overwhelmingly agrees that it should be re-added
We could reconsider
hollow shell
Yeah the reasoning isn't great
tired haven
Well yeah
radiant meadow
and this is the first time I've heard of this
hollow shell
When FluffPuff gets back I'll ask him to expand it
radiant meadow
overwhelming agreement is something like nerf lightning
which I hear constantly
so this (to me) is definitely not that
tired haven
i wonder if there would be someone to suggest to return belt to mirror and double the drop rate of belt
radiant meadow
IL editing
ashen warren
xd
tired haven
Crafting is also a concern ig 
rancid laurel
Yo I'm back I'll amend the suggestion lol
ashen warren
remember when Exo-tier objects was difficult to craft
hollow shell
Please do, and expand on your reasoning as much as you can
ashen warren
and now u can craft them directly with the Auric Bar
radiant meadow
that doesn't make them less difficult to craft
rancid laurel
I thought my reasoning was pretty solid, my main reason was that it was on the wiki but it would still be a good addition
radiant meadow
if it's on the wiki but not ingame
that means the wiki is outdated
wiki is not suggestions to be added ingame
radiant meadow
that should be a hint more towards this was removed
and it was removed for a reason
hollow shell
I don't even know how that could be a part of your reasoning
rancid laurel
I thought it was an error in the mod and not the wiki
hollow shell
lol
radiant meadow
that's not how it works
tired haven
(especially since wiki is open resource and anyone could write anything here)
radiant meadow
it's error in the wiki, not in the mod
hollow shell
Nah
Wiki is almost always the one that has the error if you find an inconsistency
.. almost always
radiant meadow
exceptions are bugs like spear of destiny drop rate
rancid laurel
I still think it's a decent suggestion but should I take it down
radiant meadow
but a recipe inconsistency, the wiki is almost always wrong
hollow shell
I think you could keep it up, personally
hollow shell
See if the public wants the black belt to remain
radiant meadow
so it's not easy to just double it
hollow shell
I don't think we modify any vanilla drop rates, right?
Just append them?
radiant meadow
mhm
hollow shell
thinking of Defiled
zealous ridge
append as in?
tired haven
I don't think that this suggestion should stay without at least providing an alternative to how justify using 2 black belts
zealous ridge
like, bring it up to a specific level?
hollow shell
Defiled adds a 5% chance to vanilla drop rates
It does not change the vanilla drop rate to 5%
zealous ridge
ah
hollow shell
for Calamity items, it changes the drop rate
Because we have direct access to those numbers
rancid laurel
The justification is just the fact that the mirror grants the same dodge function as the black belt has
radiant meadow
this is one of those suggestions
where it doesn't technically break the rules
but I refuse to implement it if it gets sent
hollow shell
Luckily we have other programmers 
radiant meadow
good thing there's a revert button
hollow shell
zealous ridge
honestly, i feel like abyssal mirror just... shouldnt give a dodge
tired haven
That's an interesting take
rancid laurel
It should give the dodge but only at a later tier where the dodge also fills your stealth
radiant meadow
don't mirror dodges not work for projectiles (even though they're supposed to and I have no idea how to fix)
hollow shell
They do indeed not work for projectiles
zealous ridge
hmm didn't know that
hollow shell
I have gifs to prove it
tired haven
They don't but that's not the main concern tbh
tired haven
can bet that the scarf suffers from same issue
zealous ridge
ink bomb doesn't give damage immunity, right? it just causes you to emit projectiles that explode?
on a cooldown, granted
tired haven
Pretty sure it is supposed to work as a dodge too
hollow shell
Yeah Ink Bomb is not a dodge
tired haven
hmm
hollow shell
It's just an on-hit effect
hollow shell
I sure hope it can
zealous ridge
furthermore, the concept that the mirror can dodge anything at all hinders its reliability
tired haven
Oh, I confused mirror with bomb
Yeah bomb doesn't give a dodge
rancid laurel
Bomb is where the damage effect comes from in the dodge
zealous ridge
because its reduced from guaranteed to 10% chance when you get hit
tired haven
Also dunno. 10% chance to dodge attack and proc onhit sounds better than 100% onhit, not just a sidegrade even
zealous ridge
100% onhit is better to me for a few reasons
radiant meadow
a lot of things already proc 100% on hit
zealous ridge
reliability and opposing functions are some examples
radiant meadow
although
tired haven
time to give bomb 10% chance too 
radiant meadow
this would be 100% on hit with a cooldown
so it fine ig
err
it's kinda already like that
zealous ridge
because you can't rely on dodging or the damage from the shards, as they are a 10% chance, the dodge isn't reliable and you can't prepare for a combat situation with the explosion in mind
as opposed to ink bomb, where you have that strategy to think about
It's not an inherently bad thing, but it detracts from the function of the accessory i feel
tired haven
Y'know, thinking about it, feels like a whole new way to treat material accessories
Their unique effects being stronger but not accompanied with other stats will make them viable and also increase variety in builds
hollow shell
Dear god people are finally understanding
zealous ridge
i agree wholeheartedly
hollow shell
My 7 pages of accessory rework suggestions may receive support yet
radiant meadow
you haven't even shown me it
hollow shell
This is true
radiant meadow
so I don't even know what they are/can't even implement them
zealous ridge
i feel abyssal evade should be more like an abyssal explosion than a dodge-damage combo that has to be balanced with a random chance gate
radiant meadow
I asked for it and you're like no
tired haven
it does sounds a lot like the good old "nerf combos' result" but has that special flavor
hollow shell
yknow I'll show you them
in DMs
cuz I'm mostly afraid of Fab's response
void kelp
Thomas π€ Calamity Rework Documents π€ Rover
hollow shell
and I'm feelin pretty good, having Ascended
tired haven
May I get blessed by such knowledge as well?
radiant meadow
I don't know why you didn't send it to DMs on day 1 
void kelp
seems neat
hollow shell
yeah iunno either
Didn't wanna be doin shit behind Fab's back, maybe?
Doesn't really apply
zealous ridge
rover send me the doc i wanna sEEE i need my fix of calamity oc
zealous ridge
hollow shell
(also no chozo)