I'm going to add Death Mode feature config to the Don'ts cuz it is indeed common and it is definitely never going to be implemented
...that GIF I sent before is relevant now but if I post it again I will perish
pensive
#suggestions-discussion
sand umbra
hollow shell
You already sent it, it's good
sand umbra
either way: 
frail mantle
actually, there has been a bunch of suggestions about renaming suggs to #suggestions-voting_read_pins in the past, has this been approved/disapproved yet? or has it just not really been discussed by the mod team or whoever manages the channel names
potent veldt
I think it was agreed it would barely make a difference
Because to be fair, the #suggestions-voting channel's description says very clearly to read pins
So for those people that ignore that header and don't read pins, I don't really see a channel rename doing any better
potent veldt
The best you can do is watch them fumble around
Until they eventually figure out what they're doing, or just read the pins because of shame or something
distant gyro
I think suggestions look cleaner
teal ibex
people who don't read the pins of channels, or descriptions, or rules etc etc etc probably aren't going to be swayed by the channel's name, honestly
distant gyro
suggestions read pins kinda has a shoving vibe in it; people who read read, and people who don't read don't
teal ibex
you can't force people to read no matter how hard you try
sand umbra
you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink
...I think that's how the saying goes, at least 
teal ibex
i've used that exact same saying for this exact same issue so here's to hoping 
sand umbra
zealous ridge
kind of super late to this, but was the death lightning suggestion ever really discussed?
if so i won't rekindle a discussion that already happened as it would be redundant
i do see death mode changes are kind of a don't now... which i dont really know how to feel about that
ah, i believe i misunderstood
is it a don't regarding death mode configs?
distant gyro
yes
aka "make this death mode feature a config because yada yada inconvenience and i want choices"
sand umbra
the way I see it, if you're playing Death in the first place you signed up for a difficult experience
you don't get to pick and choose what parts of the game are difficult
teal ibex
yes this was exclusive to configs. if people believe a feature is egregious enough for outright removal then i think it's worth its time in #suggestions-voting -- if they just want configs for stuff they don't like, i don't see the point
sand umbra
if you wanna do that, just toggle Death off for whenever doing things that you don't want extra difficulty for, and turn it back on when you're ready to face the music again
but tl;dr my thoughts on Death configs: if you can't take the heat, get outta the kitchen 
zealous ridge
well, i can say from experience that im barely into my death playthrough and im already starting to dislike lightning
i presume it gets less annoying later on
sand umbra
it gets less annoying as you become more able to deal with it
zealous ridge
but i do feel it's a bit overclocked early game, at least from my somewhat limited experience
sand umbra
many of the effects could use some early-game tweaks, I agree
zealous ridge
specially considering rain isnt locked behind anything really, it just happens
rain after desert scourge
sand umbra
the first few days in a Death run are hell on earth rn, perhaps more than they should be
zealous ridge
yeah its a considerable spike
between the extreme difficulty of travelling at night or during a rainstorm and the darkness effect from underground
teal ibex
time for my new deathmode hardco -- 🌩️
summer gust
rip run
zealous ridge
ye, that's another thing hardcore runs will be determined by RNG if you dare step a foot on the surface when it's raining
well, might be an exaggeration
but point is, there is really no way to properly prepare for a lightning strike when you have nothing but copper tools and a starter bag
ashen warren
I had trouble getting into the abyss in PreHM when I was trying death mode in this update
The amount of damage Sulphuric Poisoning did half healthed me before I could even get below surface level and actually start doing abyss things
zealous ridge
oh god sulphuric poisoning
now that there's no real way to get immunity to it in pre-hm, getting to the abyss let alone surviving in it is hell
distant gyro
what if lead core grants immunity to sulphuric poisoning
ashen warren
And Death makes the debuff even stronger
zealous ridge
lead core granting immunity to sulph poisoning would be awesome actually
zealous ridge
would give people a reason to use it outside of silva armor material
distant gyro
AS lore
sand umbra
I'd rather Lead Core gain more unique abilities
distant gyro
Unless you mean aquatic emblem
sand umbra
rather than the five billionth debuff immunity item
ashen warren
speaking of debuff immunity something should be done about being able to become immune to the plague before fighting pbg
zealous ridge
maybe??? idk
hollow shell
You mean that we should or should not be able to?
civic pond
although pbg isn't the only source of plague
ashen warren
In that case, plague immunity has no reason existing
gray nebula
Well it has
hollow shell
Pardon?
sand umbra
Alchemical Flask is pre-PBG
guess who inflicts Plague on like every fucking attack
PBG
hollow shell
As it currently is, you have ^ that which takes up a whole accessory slot
sand umbra
[[Alchemical Flask]] moment
red stormBOT
gray nebula
You either get an extra accessory slot but no plague immunity, or you sacrifice one accessory spot for plague resistance
Depends on if you intend to get hit a lot or not
hollow shell
(note that Asgard's Valor does not provide Plague immunity)
ashen warren
Well you get astral infection immunity once it’s irrelevant
So it wouldn’t be the first time
sand umbra
[[Ursa Sergeant]]
red stormBOT
sand umbra
gray nebula
Bruh momemnm
sand umbra
thankfully, I am legally obligated to understand Calamity and its balance back to front 
gray nebula
People be complaining about calamity having no non boss content and forgetting about epic fishing loot
Smh
ashen warren
That item is paired with a major downisde
sand umbra
well yes
ashen warren
Yet Flask’s is... that it takes up a slot
sand umbra
I do think Flask could potentially have a bit more in the way of pros and cons, primarily cons
because right now it's a lot of fairly powerful effects with no downsides
ashen warren
My thing is, Ursa grants immunity as part of its defensive traits.
Alchemical flask weaponizes the plague right before fighting the boss that weaponizes the plague.
Fighting fire with fire moments intensify
sand umbra
Alchemical Flask needs some sort of downside given the immense power it gives in direct relevance to the boss you're expected to use it on
this is where having some sort of PBG-specific material drop would be ebic
ashen warren
It would make a lot more sense too
Currently it’s the most powerful plagued entity and its only unique drops are weapons and an acc
It seems like killing it would allow you to upgrade previous weapons with plagued abilities, but it just doesn’t.
hollow shell
Plague Keeper?
Well that's only a kinda
If you're sayin that PBG doesn't drop any specific dedicated material then you're right
ashen warren
The idea is that the plague is a biowepon, so it would make sense that the player be able to upgrade what they have with this bioweapon
But other than direct drops the only way to do this is with the Alchemical Flask, which you get before PBG.
It’s completely viable to get this flask and ditch fighting PBG altogether, and I think that’s silly.
gray nebula
hallow kraken
How does nurse anticheese relate to box?
gray nebula
the full health is only when you die
indigo fog
Hermit's Box of One Hundred Medicines' full health respawn has nothing to do with deathmode boss fights
void kelp
uh,, healing to full when spawning has nothing to do with nurse cheese because the difference is that you stay alive for one and die for the other
hollow shell
@hazy timber
hazy timber
hellu
hollow shell
Read above
You can't really nurse cheese with the box
considering you need to be alive to nurse cheese, which continues to keep you alive,
and the box only activates when you die
hazy timber
hmm, i never really cheese healed with nurse while on a boss fight. everytime i use nurse is when i'm respawned after dying, now that i think about it i'm always playing multiplayer so the singleplayer version didn't come to my mind
hollow shell
Indeed
Multiplayer respawning is inherent cheese
The main reason why nurse is disabled in Death Mode is because of how you can abuse her in single player
the logical course of action for multiplayer in Death Mode is to disable respawns while a boss is alive until all players are dead
void kelp
then we’ll get bug reports saying players aren’t respawning ngl
hazy timber
gotcha, on my experience the heal block would leave me at half hp while a buddy was fighting the boss, so it didn't make sense for that item to heal me to full
i'll remove the suggestion now that i see the single player version
hollow shell
Aight
frosty dagger
I can't believe this DoG sug is at 84 
indigo fog
I don't see any reason other than "It'll be funny"
you cant just force the player to die for no reason
also you didnt even mention mediumcore players
frosty dagger
Are you sure about that
indigo fog
are you editing it
you still need a good ass reason to force the player to die out of nowhere
frosty dagger
I've edited it multiple times yesterday and today
queen sail
Does nurse say anything unique if you try to heal during a boss fight in death mode
indigo fog
yeah it does
hollow shell
Yeah that's exactly what she says
indigo fog
"there are other times the game just decides to kill you a lot more commenly than this, with things like boulders, lightning, or explosives"
ok, those you can at least avoid with holding wire tools like pressure plates, dangersense potions, or even just paying attention.
thats a pretty bad comparison
queen sail
Checks out what this DoG sugg is
hollow shell
And also not a very good reason considering players hate those features
indigo fog
^
queen sail
Instant random death at any point because muh funnies and lore
Words will not describe how I will eviscerate you with my own two hands
indigo fog
if you were building then i guess fuck you
queen sail
There was literally a sugg like this years ago
Which I remember because it was 
You can see traps
frosty dagger
Just editid it again
indigo fog
What did you edit?
frosty dagger
Re read the statement
unkempt bolt
this is a silly idea
lore shouldn’t intrude upon gameplay
especially not with a random instant death lmao
frosty dagger
There is more than just a lore reason, and since apparently a lot of people want it, I'll see how it goes
indigo fog
What's your reason other than lore and "it'll be funny"
hazy timber
i'd hate that tbf, already hate the random boss spawns and immediately change the time so it goes away
queen sail
A lot of people also liked the lorde apparently
indigo fog
And those at least don't force you to just take the death
frosty dagger
Actually happened last week
indigo fog
DoG spawning randomly at any point is so much worse than destroyer spawning naturally in hardmode at night
gray nebula
mmhh yes
spending time adding an unfair death with a "haha funny meme item" to the game instead of working on actual content
Great idea
unkempt bolt
i feel bad for a speedrunner who gets fucked over by that lol
gray nebula
it might be funny the first time you get killed by it (and even then), but then it just becomes a random pain
what if you're in your base
unkempt bolt
kek
indigo fog
i mean they can just leave the world and re-enter
civic pond
hm yes just one more bar of life and then i can cra FUCK
indigo fog
but still this is stupid
gray nebula
epicly loosing all of my npcs because "too bad dog just decided to spawn!"
and yea you can exit and re enter but with how fast dog is (especially with his one shot head in death), it's kinda hard to avoid
unkempt bolt
his head is probably a one shot regardless of death if you’re unprepared
gray nebula
^
indigo fog
yeah
unkempt bolt
anything before pre ML is getting yote
gray nebula
and apparently there's more to it than a lore reason but I'm not seeing it
what would it add to the experience
unkempt bolt
“it would be fun to laugh about”
gray nebula
(nothing but undeserved deaths)
frosty dagger
It has been edit to your liking iban
indigo fog
the other reasons were "It'll be funny" and "Make killing dog more satisfying"
frosty dagger
I have put an stupid amount of restrictions on this
gray nebula
you're just restricting the spawn conditions
but like, almost everyone plays on easy
unkempt bolt
disregarding specifics, it’s a fundamentally bad idea lol
frosty dagger
It amounts to one to three spawns in an even slow playthough
gray nebula
and yea, you can add as many restrictions as you want I'm still gonna instantly deny it if it ever gets sent to the dev server
lost agate
Oh geez its about of this sugg again 
gray nebula
one to three deaths is already too many deaths
lost agate
Given it was a self proclaimed meme sugg idk how it wasnt taken down
frosty dagger
It's a good thing democracy exists iban
sleek wadi
Instant death for no damn reason is instant death for no damn reason. Doesn't matter if it happens every minute or every 100 hours.
ashen warren
Preach
frosty dagger
Unless your fab
gray nebula
yup and democracy will once again prevail by denying your suggestion
lost agate
Do i gotta say this again?
We are arguing a self proclaimed meme suggestion taken from reddit with arguments that are getting nowhere
gray nebula
also yes what shucks said
lost agate
Cant we just leave it
gray nebula
it's a meme suggestion
frosty dagger
Who is shucks
gray nebula
the guy nicknamed "S"
frosty dagger
I proclaimed it a meme, but fleshed it out after it wasn't denied but agreed with when I first put it here
lost agate
A fleshed out meme stays a meme
gray nebula
I'm having trouble seeing how you fleshed it out
it's just a meme with extra specifics
frosty dagger
Look at the original
Isn't that basically what everything that's a meme in this mod is
gray nebula
wh
lost agate
God
gray nebula
meme suggestions aren't allowed tho
lost agate
This is literally gonna go nowhere other than nonsense and throwing shade
Just. Leave it
frosty dagger
Good point
gray nebula
byea
ashen warren
about that topic before. the constant respawning on multiplayer is considered inherent cheese, if it weren't for that mechanic would the intended way be so the player that dies doesn't respawn untill the boss is dead? because that would be really really fun to me
in my multiplayer playthroughs it gets really easy to beat bosses post-hardmode because of the revives, even in death mode
crude geode
I could definitely see that being valid in death mode at least ~~tho might just be me being frustrated that my friends didn’t brutally suffer with SCal ~~
ashen warren
Imagine not 1847th trying Scal for that first kill
hollow shell
I would not be opposed to preventing player respawns during boss fights in multiplayer
perhaps only in Death Mode or maybe even Rev
unkempt bolt
i don’t see a reason why it should be enabled at all
crude geode
Could make it a config and have it off by default.
hazy timber
both friends that i play with agreed that it'd be more challenging to have that in, kinda reminds me of risk of rain 2 where you only respawn next stage on multiplayer
i'll write up something on suggestion to see if ppl agree
left crest
just wanted to share that the meme sugg made it to the subreddit too
frosty dagger
Actually I got it from the reddit
But since the creator wasn't gonna post it here I did
left crest
oh yea that makes more sense
smoky wagon
the subreddit is pretty dead isnt it
left crest
yea the subreddit is full of people who use it as a replacement for the discord because they don't know it exists
smoky wagon
last time i checked it was very low quality
left crest
i.e. asking for help on provi/yharon/etc
frosty dagger
It's not dead, just underpopulated
smoky wagon
like most of reddit
left crest
also someone posts a meme every time a sprite or smth is removed
frosty dagger
Only sometimes
gray nebula
@,.... yuh..
left sparrow
Hell yeah
120 votes
hazy timber
gib thoughts
indigo fog
I'd actually rather have this be a toggle for all difficulties rather than just be deathmode exclusive
because i'd call that cheese
hazy timber
cheese? how so
indigo fog
what if someone wishes it wasn't a thing and doesn't want to play deathmode
it doesnt have to be exclusive to that difficulty
hazy timber
that's true, but it's how it works currently right? just making it a toggle would for sure be better
in my head i thought of it as an increase in difficulty that comes with death mode, but for others it may be frustrating and gatekeeps them from it
indigo fog
I think there's a mod that actually does this
yeah there is
Better Multiplayer i think
hazy timber
ohh snap, i'll check it out for sure next time i play
would that be enough to give up on the idea though?
hazy timber
should the suggestion be discarded then? i didn't even know those mods existed till now
wary canyon
idk if "theres another mod that does it" is a valid reason to take down a sugg
ashen warren
Suppose that could be left to your discretion
hollow shell
I'd say keep it up
tepid root
oh hey my suggestion got implemented nice
frosty dagger
Back to compatent sugs (y'all are such masochists, but if anyone should you it you guys would): reduce the spawn rate in the brimstone crags.
The only two times you go here is to mine charred ore and fight brimmy. Usually these things take a little time, but with the enimy spawnrate it takes forever. The enimies aren't even that strong they just go through blocks and chip you down. This forces you to stop, move and kill eachone. These is by far one of the most monotonous and boring things just because of how repetitive and long it takes. Reducing the spawnrate a bit would keep it engaging while being more entertaining.
indigo fog
"The only two times you go here is to mine charred ore and fight brimmy"
I mean you also farm essense of chaos but ok
also those things wouldn't be challenging at all without some obstacle
frosty dagger
No because you get enough of it doing those two things
indigo fog
Crag enemies are that obstacle
gusty geode
"I believe the majority of people is very familiar with and loves the old system and they wouldn't want that ripped away from them."
frosty dagger
Well yea, and I like their mechanics, and mabey buff then a little to compensate
gusty geode
-Tanking
-Multi-classing with Summoner
-Stormbow abuse
tepid root
how is mining an obstacle 🤔
frosty dagger
Stormbow doesn't work, and I'm doing pure ranger
tepid root
might as well decrease all spawn rates underground
ashen warren
There are several other times you go to places to do things where the enemies make it way harder instead of being the thing
indigo fog
go reduce the spawn rate yourself tbh
frosty dagger
That's differnt
Underground enimies can be avoided
And getting calming/peace/zen/tranquility is really hard, especially compared to thier counterparts
indigo fog
It's not really hard
ashen warren
plant arena
indigo fog
Calming pots are easy to get if you just fish
tepid root
its not really hard but sure
even if you dont want to make potions with their original crafting recipe, you have blood orbs
frosty dagger
Super pricey
tepid root
farming ds isnt pricey
frosty dagger
I get what you guys are saying I guess
And you could just gigadrill with aincent foddil, the powder, and ambrosial ampoule
Forgot about that
radiant meadow
@fluid tide boss despawning is improved next update, these problems shouldn't occur next patch
referring to this suggestion: https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/683922418766577692
it's basically already done, noted in changelog 25
sterile moon
Idea; what if there was a craft-able structure called a lightning rod that "absorbed" all lightning in a certain radius
ashen warren
AlMoSt LiKe In OvErHaUl?
karmic stone
Isnt that ov-
frosty dagger
OH MY GOD YES
karmic stone
h
frosty dagger
I don't care if this is overhaul fk lightning
karmic stone
Lighting is gonna be less cringe next update though
sterile moon
didnt know it had a lightning rod
frosty dagger
Good point, forgot about that
ashen warren
as I recall, you can get the transformer if it's harshing your vibe
karmic stone
Yea I don't think it's necessary
ashen warren
relying on a RIV to fix an issue is bad design tho
radiant meadow
it is bad design
ashen warren
lightning isn't a super big problem to me but eh
radiant meadow
pretty sure transformer helping with lightning was a coincidence
it most certainly wasn't developed with transformer in mind
ashen warren
With a name like “transformer” I would hope it would be useful against whatever forms of lightning prop up next
wooden wedge
it's a reference to borderlands
ashen warren
most riv shields are
wooden wedge
so it's a different transformer
lost agate
No im pretty sure the BL transformer absorbs electric dmg
In fact it basically heals you
empty geyser
Difficulty definitely is scaling with players.
keen nebula
you'd have to wait so long if you died to wall of flesh to respawn tho
You could also get softlocked if you die during a Martian invasion.
frail mantle
Clam makes martian saucers not count as bosses iirc
indigo fog
Does that mean you can use Bazooka infinitely?
frail mantle
no idea
marsh gust
what does martian saucer have anything to do with bazooka anyways
indigo fog
increased damage on metalic enemies
like a lot
anything inorganic
[[List_of_NPCs_by_Hit_Sound]]
marsh gust
only usable when a boss is spawned, saucer is not a boss
indigo fog
so you should be able to kill these very fast
marsh gust
besides wasting ammunition on saucer is like 
why
indigo fog
I use the classless guns on minibosses and event bosses I don't feel like grinding for
makes things faster
fervent citrus
Stomps sugg about parries reached 120 votes :O
maiden trail
Are Thrashers too op?
I feel like they are but I would be fine with them if the dungeon didn't spawn right by the sulfur sea
Because when you even attempt to enter the dungeon trashers will just be in the way and not only that just getting to the dungeon is a pain
when you have to get up those stairs
ashen warren
wdym get up those stairs
maiden trail
and since they can "swim" through blocks- I'm referring to the dungeon
but since they can "swim" through blocks they can basically surprise attack you from under
maiden trail
I am not sure, this is my friends world I would have to ask him when he wakes up
fervent citrus
I always play on small
hollow shell
You're never meant to encounter Trashers at the Dungeon
There's very often a distance of pure land between the Dungeon's entrance and the Sulphurous Sea
I have to assume you're in a small world for something like this to happen
fervent citrus
cuz my laptop wont handle absurd sizes like medium
hollow shell
download more RAM
fervent citrus
I always have half of the dungeon cut off by the abyss 
maiden trail
but in general Thrashers are ridiculously op at this players stage of the game
basically can ko you
hollow shell
I assume you already have a Nightmare/Deathbringer pickaxe or better
so you should probably just dig into the dungeon from the left, underground prolly, if Sulphur Sea spawns are proving such a trouble
maiden trail
Well then there's dungeon guardians
hollow shell
So you're trying to fight Skeletron, then?
thought you'd already beaten him considering you said you wanted to enter the Dungeon
maiden trail
We have, but we had to run away from the dungeon so trashers wouldn't completely kill us
hollow shell
Well then you can dig into the dungeon
DGs only spawn if Skeletron hasn't been killed
Once you beat him you can get into the dungeon any way you want
maiden trail
Alrighty then thanks
hollow shell
np
ashen warren
the solar veil should have more uses instead of just being a rogue crafting material
maybe make them a replacement for blood orbs where we can craft the other potions
hollow shell
I disagree
Making them craft solely rogue content is good for focus
rather than being "mostly rogue oh and also this other stuff"
As an example of what I mean:
Enchanted Metal
ashen warren
maybe give more rogue variety
because from the way I see it, the stuff you craft from the solar veil doesnt seem all that strong for rogue class
frail mantle
Then the solution is to buff Solar Veil shit, not add more Solar Veil shit
hollow shell
I also disagree Riri
One of rogue's few dedicated armor sets, and also Vampiric Talisman (aka Good Until Yharon)
Totality was indeed weak when I played, especially when compared to Desecrated Water
but that problem has been fixed
ashen warren
I might try vampiric talisman actually
other than that there doesnt seem to be much i can do with solar veil
the umbraphile armor is underpowered for a post mech boss armor compared t the rest of the post mech rogue sets
totality breaker is as you said weak
lets see how they buff it next update
ashen warren
6 life steal cap
radiant meadow
mhm
radiant meadow
and for reference, umbraphile has more dps than reaver armor
that's what the stats are balanced toward
reaver armor is a little more tanky
ashen warren
reaver has the rage after being struck which means reaver has more dps
radiant meadow
the rage after being struck is melee helm only
and it's like 10% damage?
have you tested the armors?
or are you making a crude assumption based on stats?
and possible misinterpretation if you thought it referred to the Rage Meter mechanic
ashen warren
ashen warren
yeah I just know that now
I just made a comparison
reaver has more damage by 2%
distant gyro
in practice umbraphile is still better because you can only get hit so many times
tepid root
dont use zerg?
toxic kettle
foggy plover
you do know nothing but pumpkings and mourning woods spawn during that stage of pumpkin moon right?
ashen warren
i think post yharon mothron should have boss zen
toxic kettle
with accessories like Elemental Quiver or Ethereal Talisman most other enemies die in one hit anyway
and the flying eclipse enemies fly way slower than Mothron so they're not a problem either tbh
ashen warren
they do so much damage
radiant meadow
They do reduced damage next update
wild mural
don't use zerg?
Don't have a feature that you can use, but breaks the game completely when you use it so you shouldn't use it?
wild mural
It would have been fine if in situations like pumpkin moon you just died overwhelmed by mobs - your fault for using zerg, having it work as intended and you failing to handle it.
tepid root
whether you use it or not is your choice
green pumice
its optional to use it
wild mural
Optional doesn't give a feature rights to turn the game into a slideshow
green pumice
and its main purpose is to make spawn rates retarded
tepid root
the point of it is to turn the game into a slideshow, if thats how youre gonna take it
green pumice
you dont need to fucking use it 
tepid root
if you dont want your game to be a slideshow, dont use it, easy as that
wild mural
Let me get this straight. You are all saying a feature has the rights to break the game in a bad way just because you don't have to use it.
lost agate
Like from vanilla
round falcon
if its the choice between farming for 30 minute slideshow or farming for 30 minute event i'd take the slideshow tbh
tepid root
yes
lost agate
Ever heard of the 200 npc limit
tepid root
its a side thing that can be fun sometimes when you use it against a fuckton of weak npcs
also useful for grinding weak shit for your tier
wild mural
Farming though?
And let's return to the topic of accidentally having it in your inventory
Press B to destroy the game. Haha funny optional feature!
lost agate
Go figure, zerg isnt even that strong anymore and people are complaining about this :echcrisp:
tepid root
^^^
distant gyro
pumpkin moon already normally spawns about 20 bosses at wave 15
zerg only amplifies it to 100
tepid root
btw remind me when was the topic accidentally having it in your inventory??
lost agate
A hardcap would just meme on other mods
wild mural
The topic is it's existence
tepid root
that makes no sense but sure
wild mural
And how it breaks the game in whatever way used, under certain circumstances
lost agate
"oh i made this boost spawning item, but it doesnt do jackshit cuz calam decided to give a hardcap to this"
distant gyro
It would ruin the point of pumpkin moon if bosses are not spawning left and right at the final wave
because that's literally what it is
including vanilla
wild mural
If you drink a zerg potion during any kind of moon consider your game dead. Have fun with a corrupted map if it crashes the wrong way. That's the problem here. "Optional feature, don't have to drink it" is just shifting the blame onto the player.
distant gyro
same for frost moon wave 20
because it is shifting the blame onto the player
if you know you can't handle 50 bosses then you don't use zerg
tepid root
because it is the player's fault, they completely know theyre about to use the potion, they have the option not to use it, but they do
distant gyro
late game farming people can handle
wild mural
Having the game overloaded has more implications than just slideshow FPS. It's an unintended effect brought upon by an edge case. Edge cases destroy software.
lost agate
How much of a potato do you have for a zerg to cause you a crash, and why tf do you have a zerg if you lag that much already
distant gyro
looking at your equipment on the hotbar you're far from ready to zerg the final wave
wild mural
Ok, the rumors I heard were true, I'm outta this discord
ashen warren
shuc nc pfp
lost agate
H
tepid root
good
lost agate
Also thanks thunstic
zealous ridge
yknow to be honest that... could have been handled better
ashen warren
hi p
round falcon
if people cant handle the 4 gigs of ram terraria has allocated normally then how do they expect to run tmod at 8
tepid root
a lot
zealous ridge
i dont know what this deflection shit is but i feel like his concern was honest
round falcon
not like most mods dont go crazy with dust effects
zealous ridge
not to point fingers, but it was like
distant gyro
I do run terraria at a super low ram
zealous ridge
bruh
lost agate
Its like fucking holding a block of ice when youre having hypothermia
Why do you have a zerg if using it is insta crash
You dont get them accidentally
round falcon
at that point zergs are kinda free tbh
zealous ridge
well, because its a feature you didnt expect to crash the game?
distant gyro
well yea but zerg was kinda nerfed for this reason
round falcon
drink it, cut it off fast, kill em off
lost agate
"my mage is lagging like fuck already, surely using smth that boosts spawn rates is a good idea"
subtle oracle
Zerg used to lag Intel hd graphic GPU's, now it's more acceptable
distant gyro
if you really want to handle godly boosted spawns then you'd use ultimate battler etc/ or stack spawn boosters
lost agate
Like zerg isnt even that strong anymore
round falcon
or cheat sheet
ashen warren
is hypothermia the post dog rogue wep
lost agate
Im talking irl hypothermia
ashen warren
o
lost agate
But seriously
You were possibly lagging already
You use a potion that spawns a lot more enemies
Did you expect a rainbow?
tepid root
AND when you notice your game is becoming a slideshow, just disable the buff lmao
lost agate
A hardcap to that shit is just intrusive
It would break other mods
It would break the event itself
Just because someone couldnt disable a buff potion
zealous ridge
...alright i guess
round falcon
a hardcap is intrusive
not to be brainlet here but
lost agate
I mean if its that hard to understand then idfk
zealous ridge
well i mean i really can't argue i guess
but i felt like that was not a good reaction to his suggestion... like people just got really abrasive
zealous ridge
alright, bye
ashen warren
just look at his username and pfp u know its a meme acc 
ashen warren
"drunken russian"
green pumice
ctp suggestions when the ctp server exists
tepid root
what does ctp really have to do with this tho
green pumice
resprite around the calamity texture pack
tepid root
a
i mean what does ctp have to do with the suggestion
because they couldve just said to make them look more like calamity sprites
zenith hazel
resprite the weps but base the style around how ctp changes fiery greatsword or blade of grass maybe
fast monolith
I dunno where the file
I can't really... resprite something if I don't have the actual weapon sprite to actually resprite.
tepid root
wiki
gray nebula
^
fast monolith
Cbt Discord
tepid root
cbt discord
fast monolith
sly lily
I can't believe the "don't spawn when dead on multiplayer Death Mode" is so voted already, does anyone think that with Death Mode boss spawn mechanics would it be any fun if dead and a boss suddenly locks out? or just in general, having to stop playing if someone messes at the start of DoG or something like that?
keen geyser
it's because it makes all bosses easy game
sly lily
multiplayer already makes that, if people want to challenge themselves they play single player
what IS the point of multiplayer then?
keen geyser
imagine blaming desync on pcs
sly lily
again, I never had those
xD
such points only make that suggestion even more unreasonable btw
someone has that, then dies, then gets locked out the whole fight, fair?
ashen warren
Just because it gets voted doesn’t mean it’ll be done
sly lily
yeah, of course
ashen warren
Tbh though I do think that it has merit but shouldn’t be forced
hallow kraken
What?
gray nebula
reasoning?
green pumice
what
green pumice
@daring finch add a reason?
green pumice
when someone dies scal can spawn 🐸
gray nebula
oh god oh fuck multiple scals
tepid root
literal death
hallow kraken
So when you die, a boss spawns that could cause you to die again?
green pumice
yep
ashen warren
If you want crazy stuff to happen, play the randomizer.
hallow kraken
And when you die to that boss another spawns?
green pumice
but in multi
hallow kraken
Why multiplayer tho?
sly lily
this reminds me of the whole "DoG spawns randomly" suggestion
so if that happens, no one can challenge himself with a Hardcore character then?
tepid root
except worse, somehow
green pumice
this suggestion is just
hallow kraken
suggestion: a mode that literally just kills you
it would be fun
green pumice
zealous ridge
it does not feel like a calamity thing at all
like, alright
it's a pretty hapazardly designed idea
but even if this was workable, why in calamity?
opal barn
suggestion make calamity mobile
tepid root
good suggestion
zealous ridge
i feel like people use this place to dump their ideas for their own mods rather than meaningfully contribute to the mod as a whole
opal barn
thanks. star it now.
tepid root
no
green pumice
calamity mod na telefonie!
ashen warren
I’m inclined to agree with Chozo
I don’t think everyone does it, but enough people do it that it can get bloated with the non helpful suggs
timid pawn
remove bones from life crystal recipe.Reason:Why would you craft life crystals post skeletron at that point you probably have max hp since you will be fighting wof or sg anyway
tepid root
remove first part
night cradle
^
tepid root
having bones drop from normal skeletons would be a big meme
night cradle
the first part just breaks the game balance
green pumice
skyline wings post hive/perfs lole
timid pawn
@tepid root Better?
ashen warren
I suppose the crafting recipe exists for those who are having way too much trouble finding them
hot dagger
Resprite for the coral cannon and spear of destiny
ashen warren
new mode suggestions 
versed mica
Not the bones one
versed mica
I don’t care
hot dagger
I don’t take back talk nicely
gray nebula
resprite suggestion 
versed mica
Oh god
queen sail
Resprite sugg
gray nebula
queen sail
Patience is a virtue
versed mica
Resprite suggestions are
frail mantle
resprite sugg meme
gray nebula
why is that still not in the don'ts
timid pawn
Dude you can't simply say "they do need a resprite" becuse you don't like how they look
queen sail
Because they don’t happen too often ig
hot dagger
What’s the problem with a resprite suggestion
gray nebula
basically the problem is that they are pretty dumb
versed mica
It’s lazy and never accepted
hot dagger
Nuhuh
karmic stone
Resprites will come when someone wants to do it and does it
versed mica
Also it’s something someone gets to eventually
frail mantle
^
karmic stone
Resprite suggs wont do anything
timid pawn
And anyway sprites get redone every now and then i guess
gray nebula
resprite it yourself if you hate the sprites so much iirc
hot dagger
Well this is the suggestions discussion chat isn’t it? I’m just discussing
karmic stone
...so?
gray nebula
and we are just discussing how useless this suggestion is
hot dagger
No need to be so hostile
queen sail
If it took a year for the new levi to get fully animated I’m pretty sure you can wait for a spore knife resprite think:
karmic stone
gray nebula
@hollow shell pls add resprite suggestions to the suggestion don'ts 
zenith hazel
feel free to resprite it yourself and submit it in art server
timid pawn
Boo ho so sad let me play a sad a sad song on the smallest viollin
karmic stone
Or if it's something that isnt mentioned anywhere in the sprites need doc tell someone to add it
zenith hazel
and clearly, you were being pretty hostile towards Putin there
hot dagger
Well to be fair
karmic stone
Or if it's something that isnt mentioned anywhere in the sprites needed doc tell someone to add it
hot dagger
I am president business
karmic stone
Ok
zenith hazel
I don’t really care
green pumice
just resprite it yourself if you dont like the sprites
zenith hazel
now get back to discussing actual suggestion
queen sail
Okay rper
zenith hazel
ok then, warned
hot dagger
Ok here’s a suggestion
timid pawn
hot dagger
Maybe say in the rules that you shouldn’t suggest resprite a?
hot dagger
Because as it stands I’m kinda just being piledrived for saying one thing that isn’t even against the rules
zenith hazel
and because you were attacking people fsr
hot dagger
I’m not attacking people
zenith hazel
suure
hallow kraken
Yes
karmic stone
Shut it
h
hot dagger
I’m just saying that on taco Tuesday
timid pawn
Read the pins
zenith hazel
I’m gonna mute you if you keep this up
fervent citrus
Imma get some popcorn
hot dagger
I really don’t think you understand
zenith hazel
I really don’t think I care
hallow kraken
“But on taco tuesdays!” Isn’t an excuse to be rude here
fervent citrus
^
timid pawn
Good show Keep it on
hot dagger
So shut it bird lookin ass
ashen warren
bye.
zenith hazel
lol
keen geyser
roleplaying and being a brickwall
hallow kraken
Yeah this guy’s screwed
ashen warren
anyways. move on.
karmic stone
versed mica
I stand corrected
ashen warren
suggestions?
ashen warren
current recipe?
timid pawn
Amazing the fastest mute in the west
fervent citrus
Were people talking aboit life crystal recipe or resprites?
green pumice
both
versed mica
Life crystals now
keen geyser
in a way, both
green pumice
but yeah removing the bones would be better imo
keen geyser
I think it's kinda useless to have them in there
rancid urchin
itd make it easier to obtain
karmic stone
I've only defeated Skelly with 300ish health like twice
green pumice
since by the time you get the bones you probably have full life crystals
timid pawn
The pink gel on it is own is hard to get
green pumice
i mean
rancid urchin
cause don't already need pink gel for them? adding bones just makes them more annoying to get
green pumice
you just kill one pinky
karmic stone
Adding bones locks them post Skelly
timid pawn
They are rare
karmic stone
Bones are not hard to get
karmic stone
They are rare
h
timid pawn
I am talking about pinky
karmic stone
o
keen geyser
just use king slime summons and you can get a few pinkies really easily
karmic stone
Anyways, even right before Skelly if you're missing like 100 hp you can just
Planetoid
keen geyser
it's just kinda stupid that something that's available from day 1 has a crafting recipe that's locked behind one of the harder pre-hm bosses
also ^^
karmic stone
Compared to the life fruit recipe, most people actually need more life fruits by the time they beat Plant
keen geyser
yeah
rancid urchin
I mean, for LCs just take out the bones and slightly increase the amount of pink gel needed. that removes them from being locked behind skeletron but still keeps them just that little bit annoying to craft
tepid root
tbh i think all minion staves' usetimes should be reduced
its just annoying that it takes a while for them to get summoned
sly lily
yeah, that's the most preferred approach I think that it was reached when we talked about it here
rancid urchin
and yeah that's a good suggestion imo
sly lily
I left the 2 (technically 3) points due to in case a mix wants to be made (like, 33% delay each, to reach 99% use time reduced mixing stuff?)
fervent citrus
Seems good
sly lily
as much as it is another Yharon suggestion it is one people agree, yes, he takes too long to regen life and starts attacking people while doing it
fervent citrus
There were many similar ones who havent passed tho 
sly lily
star'd anyway, so one can pass
hollow shell
I don't think anything is inherently wrong with resprite suggestions
in fact I think "resprite it yourself" is kind of a dickish and unrealistic thing to say
@gray nebula
fervent citrus
Id like to resprite it :P
hollow shell
There's a sprites_needed channel
gray nebula
I'm pretty sure the devs already know some sprites are bad and they should be redone
But it's not the top priority
there's new stuff that needs to be made
and sprites needed is more for new sprites
rancid urchin
sprites needed does list resprites in it
gray nebula
the doc is really outdated tho
hollow shell
Recently yeah but it's definitely not unprecedented to request resprites
gray nebula
just ask someone from the art server to resprite it 
it has way more chance to actually get done this way
no need to hit 120 stars and more people that can try to redo it
gray nebula
oh god oh fufck calamity style not vanilla style
sly lily
what do people mean with "calamity" style? I thought it blended quite well
hazy timber
I've been checking out the criticisms to spawn prevention. The two are: Getting softlocked by a boss not despawning and Why on deathmode.
Bosses not despawning is an issue they're fixing next update i believe so it shouldn't be an issue, only WoF should screw it up.
Deathmode cause i thought it would add up to the challenge and fit the mode's "hardcoreness", could still be toggleable as i mentioned
gray nebula
I'd say lower it to rev
and also "calamity style" is just a meme
because calamity sprites have a distinct style from vanilla
frail mantle
but that's still one boss that softlocks the game
fervent citrus
Some calamity wep sprites dont match with the texture pack soo
gray nebula
Texture pack isn't fully endorsed by the devs tho 
frail mantle
tbh just make Waffle despawn when all players die, why the fuck does he even keep living when all players die at all
hazy timber
i mean, there's nothing you can do about that, WoF goes on a picnic everytime
gray nebula
also to prevent the softlock just make the respawn timer start once every player dies
fervent citrus
Ive noticed how long some nohitter bois have to wait for their next attempt
hollow shell
Yeah I thought that thing Iban said was somewhat obvious
ashen warren
(Or just make WoF an exception to the way the multiplayer boss check works for the purpose of respawn prevention)
hazy timber
^ true, you can't even find him again once you die
hollow shell
(Also I wish we could do like a half-Dont where something isn't recommended but you're not going to hell for it)
fervent citrus
Maybe have WoF despawn or smth? And perhaps make an alternate way to spawn him 
ashen warren
There are some things that say “partly a don’t”
fluid tide
WoF is so annoying in hardmode
hollow shell
Nah that "partly" stuff is still fully disallowed
That's indicating "some aspect of this is disallowed twice"
ashen warren
That’s not what the wording suggests
gray nebula
ashen warren
The working could be messed with to make that clearer
gray nebula
add it into the doc and just say that it's not recommended
and redirect them to the art server
hollow shell
I'll change the wording in a bit
ashen warren
“Partly a double don’t” would make more sense, me thinks
timid pawn
can i make another suggestion this fast or it is not allowed?
radiant meadow
Calamity spriters and ctp spriters are primarily different people, ye
gray nebula
give acess to the calam devs to the voting channel so the quality stays the same
and watch as sok denies everything
ashen warren
I think it depends on how similar it is to your last sugg
timid pawn
Well it is about life fruits and the previous was about life crystal
hazy timber
at what point should you be able to craft those life crystals though?
too soon and it's way too strong
gray nebula
post skele works imo
the recipe being this late makes sense, the player needs to explore to get the life crystals
hazy timber
if not post skeletron it could use true shadow scale instead of bones
or the alternative which i forgot
gray nebula
blood sample iirc
timid pawn
Change life fruits recipe from "planty mush + life shard" to "planty mush + life crystal"
Reason:You are not going to search the jungel for life fruits and anyway planty mush can only be gotten with pickaxe axe so you can't make life fruits early hardmode
Oh i guess no discussion. to suggestions i shall go
hazy timber
that seems like a very minimal change, everytime i fight plantera i'm already at max hp with life fruits. that'd just make it easier to farm them 🤔
toxic kettle
You are not going to search the jungle for life fruits
who says that
timid pawn
Well i love getting matrials from bosses as they are enjoyable not strip mining for 1 hour
gray nebula
the life boost recipes are only here so you can easily obtain them at the stages of the game when you can't survive without them
timid pawn
Well if that is the case then i have a point in the life crystal suggestion
distant gyro
the previous sug was okay but this one is ehh
reminder that planty mush is a junk catch in the sulphur sea, so in theory you could get life fruits pre-cryo
timid pawn
Wait what
distant gyro
whoops, it needs a hardmode anvil but still
yea, planty mush is kinda the sulphur sea's version of seaweed
ashen warren
i dont get the life fruit suggestion
hazy timber
distant gyro
a scrap material that has one sole use
hazy timber
you would get em pre-mechanicals if that's the case
timid pawn
Then why wouldn't it be crafted with life crystal+life shard Like the shard is giving the crystal life
hallow kraken
You know, “No response, guess it’s fine to post” is a pretty bad mindset
karmic stone
Altix means if the sugg gets implemented
And the sugg removed Shards from the recipe
So h
hallow kraken
Wait, did you post that here and then when you didn’t get a response in 3 minutes you thought it was deemed worthy of no discussion
ashen warren
Apparently yes
ashen warren
Just realized that the picksaw tooltip now says “also capable of mining Chaotic Ore found in the abyss” and shoutout to whoever made the sugg about that
hollow shell
freezew suggested that
ashen warren
wouldnt it make more sense if the orange filter only starts to manifest during phase 2 yharon where it says "the air is getting warmer around you"
hollow shell
It'd look a bit weird if there was zero filter in phase 1
Maybe phase 1's could be toned down and phase 2's intensified
a bit.
tired haven
frail mantle
two Rogue merchants moment
sand umbra
b-but Bandit post-Skeletron!!! >:(((
wooden wedge
wouldn't the ninja be more throwing than rogue?
karmic stone
wooden wedge
and I also don't really see a reason for this NPC besides the one part about him adding lore
terse sundial
cyan lagoon
Imo no
Enemy/npc suggestions should be specific
Otherwise nobody will know what its supposed to be
Since if its something vague like "make a mage that sells magic items" there really isnt any interest
ashen warren
should I edit it?
wooden wedge
yes
sand umbra
byeah, enemy/NPC suggs are a whole different ballpark from item suggs
wooden wedge
should have more of a reason to exist
cyan lagoon
I think its fine
ashen warren
what should I add
lets see
statigel stuff post slime god?
I read somewhere in the lore that the statigel equipments are used by statis
wooden wedge
ok but what's the reason then for that?
karmic stone
Is Post SG lacking in gear?
wooden wedge
not really imo
ashen warren
yeahnot really
karmic stone
Yea
frail mantle
also Bandit
ashen warren
they would have to drop more new stuff into the ninja npc if we would want to see it in the future
wooden wedge
we already have the bandit
frail mantle
and she also sells accessories
ashen warren
and maybe some exclusive furnitures
queen sail
Mmmmmm now that I think about it yeah
queen sail
What exactly do you get out of beating sg besides new gear and furniture and a ripper boost
sand umbra
you get one (1) new gear set + a ripper boost
and some honestly less-than-epic furniture
Stratus set and friends reign supreme
byeah uh
Statigel set as it stands is literally the only reason to fight SG
might be nice to give the literal god of slimes a little more slime-related content at least
queen sail
Beating Slime God now makes Slime Rain more prominent and every Blue Slime spawn is replaced by the Slime God Core
:txvsn:
sand umbra
you jest but what if SG actually did unlock new Slime Rain content
make the event actually relevant for more than just a free KS fight
fervent citrus
damn i love the ninja npc idea
i know that npcs shouldnt be suggested (i think) but it makes so much sense
sand umbra
mfw there's literally a potential ninja NPC inside KS but in every mod ever he just disappears when KS dies
fervent citrus
oof
hallow kraken
Move minigun to a lower tier.
The minigun and SDFMG are at the same tier, and are also almost the exact same weapon. They’re both post-DoG guns with insanely fast speeds. They even have similar DPS, both reaching around 20,000 against Yharon. Practically the only difference is that SDFMG has a lower base damage, but can also shoot rockets and fires faster. The issue of having very similar weapons at the same tier can be fixed by moving minigun to a different tier. I think minigun should be moved and not SDFMG because of not only the listed above, but also because minigun doesn’t really make sense to be post-DoG. Why would you need cosmic materials for a minigun? SDFMG on the other hand looks like a weapon that fits the post-DoG tier, and shouldn’t be moved.
queen sail
Isn’t SDFMG usually considered not on par with Minigun
And SDFMG is just weird in general
distant gyro
SDFMG is "Minigun but it's expert so it's better"
queen sail
“Here’s this SDMG upgrade that isn’t related to the SDMG upgrade at the very end of the game”
distant gyro
well
queen sail
Kinda reminds me of an “omega cool weapon” idea that in hindsight serves little purpose other than variety
distant gyro
the SDMG upgrade at the end of the game barely has any semblance to anything
frail mantle
sdomg
distant gyro
since svantechnical is massive brain
queen sail
Svantechnical is a meme tbh
Nice way of shooting but like
Why use the gun generally considered to be a part of the Megashark line
gusty geode
Doesn't Calamity's big "shield that lets you charge" line not include the Shield of Cthulhu
The item that invented "shield that lets you charge"
distant gyro
that was previously considered
distant gyro
but then backed down because we need to give normal mode players handicaps
sure ninja belt is a thing but like that's not a heavily tank item
queen sail
Isn’t SoC only good for the short amount of iframes it gives on bonk
Since the dash is
frail mantle
yea
queen sail
Subpar at best
frail mantle
the dash is slightly longer than the CS dash iirc
round falcon
soc charge is good until you realize cs lets you essentially take a free hit for a buff every 15 seconds
frosty dagger
No
green pumice
doesn't he go through blocks tho
frosty dagger
He is super fast and this is the only way, removing it makes cnidrion spawning instant recall by death or choice
queen sail
Having the fattest fucking seahorse in the world crush me out of nowhere is already enough