suggestions-discussion

[outer reef]

But I feel if anyone that wants to learn asking in tmodloader server will be nicer.

[hollow shell]

Individual mannequins for every armor is kind of a brute force solution but it'd work

[outer reef]

No

[hollow shell]

Wouldn't be able to mix n match tho

[outer reef]

Mannequins work differently

[hollow shell]

They wouldn't actually be mannequins, just furniture items that look like mannequins with the specified armor on
(according to Skoores' sugg)

[outer reef]

Oh. I didn't check suggestion and think something else.

Apologies

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren You really need to add reasons to your suggestions, by the way

[ashen warren]

will do

[hollow shell]

I'll even concede that your DCU sugg is valid if you can provide reasoning why you wouldn't wanna turn off Lethal Lava or something

[hallow kraken]

prov time changing needs a reason as well

[ashen warren]

I didnt know that the lethal lava was a config and there was an item that can alter the time of the day

[vestal comet]

pretty sure a trivia bot wouldnt be hard to get someone to make, all it would require would be to be to open a channel, post a message with a question, accept the answer, lock the channel, and display that a user got it right

[hollow shell]

m
If you don't agree with your suggs anymore, you can delete them, Ririls

[ashen warren]

its riri

riri is here

[hollow shell]

Got it.

[bitter drift]

add the voltaic gel to the grand gelatin
if the grand gelatin is truly a combination of all gels should the volt gel be included as well?
now i can here people screeching "but for what reason"
well to constipate to the extra cost of making the grand gelatin, it (the grand gelatin) and it's upgrades will now add an extra summon slot and give a 5% chance for every weapon to inflict electrified (10% to classless weapons)
and if you are worried on how will it add up with the Jelly charged battery it will simple stack with it.

and that's besides the fact it will give a little reason to travel the sunken sea at EHM.

[distant gyro]

urgh

no

[sand umbra]

this ends right here and right now

[distant gyro]

grand gelatin is very powerful as is

[terse sundial]

voltaic jelly has a purpose

[sand umbra]

Grand Gelatin is already the type of item you'd half-expect to get nerfed with how fun and versatile it is as an accessory

[distant gyro]

voltaic jelly doesn't even fit the RGB spectrum

[terse sundial]

it doesn't need to craft into the grand gelatin, absorber, and the sponge

[sand umbra]

can we not actually push it into the bounds of getting nerfed please

[bitter drift]

@distant gyro RBG spectrum?

[frail mantle]

also adding class-specific accessories into classless accessories kinda tbh

[sand umbra]

^

[distant gyro]

it's an outlier 4th

red-green-blue

[terse sundial]

you want grand gelatin to get ✂️ ?

I can do that

150% jump boost instead of 200%

[sand umbra]

please no

[wooden wedge]

I thought it was 220%

[bitter drift]

@frail mantle doesn't that mean the grand gelatin will be even more classless? as it will has a buff to summoner

[sand umbra]

that's not how classless works

the buffs it already gives can apply to any class

except mana regen but I can tell you with relative certainty that nobody uses Grand Gelatin for mana regen

[frail mantle]

all-class would mean that it gives specific boosts to all classes, classless means that it doesn't grant any specific boosts for any of the classes

[sand umbra]

^

couldn't have explained it better myself

[bitter drift]

ok

it just that it started to hit me as the voltaic gel isn't in the grand GELATIN recipe

[sand umbra]

it's in a different recipe though

and it's a fairly powerful item even on its own

[bitter drift]

i will be honest i'm at a summoner playthrough

and i never saw a single enemy get electrocuted

[hallow kraken]

gel is not in grand gelatin recipe

[bitter drift]

yes

[gusty geode]

Iirc "because challenge playthroughs" is about as valid of a reason as "because sub-class playthroughs"

[sand umbra]

...Squid

DT Breaker is a challenge item to begin with

yet it follows none of the rules the other challenge items follow

[[Determination Breaker]] is this thing btw

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Determination_Breaker

[hollow shell]

For some reason Fab rejected the idea of turning it into a mode item like Defiled

I guess because it's not significant enough or intended to be used at all

Maybe?

[sand umbra]

if it's not intended to be used at all

why does it exist

[distant gyro]

no

might be partially due to the fact that updating server bools suck

someone will activate dtb in multiplayer and then chaos

[hollow shell]

(not only did Fab reject the idea, but he expressed confusion on why the suggestion was even made)

[sand umbra]

the suggestion was made to bring it in like with the half a dozen other challenge items in the game

such as Iron Heart, which also has no reason to exist but at least follows some of the same rules

[gusty geode]

If multiplayer is the problem
Why aren't all the other challenge modes also accs

[sand umbra]

this is the part where I look at you in utter confusion and puzzle over what daisy chain of assumptions led you to believe having the other challenge modes as accs is a good idea

[gusty geode]

Exactly

[sand umbra]

I can tell you exactly why, too

Rev and Death literally wouldn't work as accs because they're difficulty modes, you can't really expect accessory-ness to work on those
Defiled somewhat falls in with the above, it's complicated
Iron Heart...well, having it as an accessory would defeat the purpose, now wouldn't it? if you're gonna do a Hardcore bootleg you're at least gonna do it right

[frail mantle]

current funnyy sands undertale reference has three built-in challenges: instakill when lava, no i-frames and it vores an acc slot

[gusty geode]

And I imagine Arma would become vulnerable to cheese?

Player without it could do all the work for a boss
Then one that does have it could jump in at the last second and finish them off with no effort for tons of free loot

[sand umbra]

Armageddon would become the fattest cheese

and we all know how lactose-intolerant Calamity is

[gusty geode]

Was well aware it was stupid when I said it
Was responding to atlix

Also
Hot take: Iron Heart is Hardcore for people who can't accept that they got unlucky

[frail mantle]

hot take: IH is Hardcore except not bullshit

[sand umbra]

okay but like

and I'm gonna sound really harsh here and I apologize

but
if you're playing Hardcore in the first place

you kinda signed up for some bullshit

[gusty geode]

Exactly

[sand umbra]

Terraria is not designed around the concept that death is permanent at all

[opal barn]

Woah is it iron heart = wacky hardcore talk for the 72nd time

[gusty geode]

Has this talk been had before
Never seen it myself

[sand umbra]

I've seen it...once or twice, I think

[opal barn]

I had the pleasure of seeing it more than that

a lot more than that

[hollow shell]

(That was literally Iron Heart's intention, Providab)

[sand umbra]

if this conversation actually has been had that much then like

[dusty stirrup]

Squid can not you keep conversing with striketrough on your messages

[sand umbra]

hi phup

o/

[dusty stirrup]

Like one off message is fine but all the time I see you speak I see you abuse them

Also hi

[hollow shell]

Spoilers: Iron Heart is getting changes at some point

[sand umbra]

I am intrigued

[hollow shell]

I don't think I'll say much more than
s'gonna be more than just Hardcore-lite

[sand umbra]

Death Mode 2: now with more death

I jest, of course
I'm genuinely curious as to what changes it's gonna get in the future

[queen sail]

If you die you get Hornet saying SHAW with increasing pitch and speed until your game crashes

[bitter drift]

[fervent citrus]

ayyyy

my suggestion reached 120 votes :D

[hollow shell]

Nice

[fervent citrus]

not a gurantee it will be implemented tho :p

[ashen warren]

[indigo fog]

a deathmode config has been suggested how many times now

[opal barn]

seems like it needs to be put in a don't wink

[gray nebula]

at this point just disable deathmode entirely

[terse sundial]

@ashen warren the toggle for those events is the death item

they're not going away

[sand umbra]

okay so like

Death Mode: *only gives meme stat boosts and minimal AI changes*
people: "Death is too easy, we want more!"
Death Mode: *changes to actually make the rest of the game harder and no longer give meme stat boosts*
people: "Death is too hard, let us change things to make it easier!"
devs:

[brisk swan]

Now that's what i call a Bruh Monument Moment.

[ashen warren]

a new dont for death configs sounds good

[terse sundial]

^

[sand umbra]

I wholeheartedly agree

[distant gyro]

bump up death mode items suggestion

to just

death mode.

what are the chances of death mode suggestions getting in whether it be boss changes or configs or items

[ashen warren]

Nah man, boss AI is fine in d mode

But i dont like having to completely change my loadout

or

new death mode changes perhaps

dying because a potion wore off

just because of heat or cold

[terse sundial]

death mode is more than just AI changes

[ashen warren]

D-mode is perfectly difficult in its own way, but some things are just bull

[terse sundial]

it is a rework of the calamity experience

[ashen warren]

Like me dying to WoF because my obsidian skin potion wore off

It doesnt take skill into account, its just dumb

And it doesnt add anything to the game

[sand umbra]

it takes preparation into account

[terse sundial]

not everything needs to be skill based

[indigo fog]

do environmental changes even happen during boss fights

[ashen warren]

But what does it add to the game except for being annoying>

[terse sundial]

death mode requires you to be prepared for things

[ashen warren]

?

[sand umbra]

preparation is as much a skill as any other

[terse sundial]

actually I may add something like that to the tooltip of the death item

[sand umbra]

and it is a much needed one for Death Mode, where the world is out to kill you

[distant gyro]

death item already warns you of death effects

[terse sundial]

time to add "Be Prepared" to the tooltip

[ashen warren]

I understand D-mode is supposed to be extremely difficult, but it shouldnt be artificially difficult

[forest fern]

some accessories are not related to the crafting both in calam and vanilla game

[terse sundial]

dynamic weather events that have proper counters is part of death mode now

[forest fern]

like spore sac and shiny stone

[ashen warren]

But where is the fun in it?

[terse sundial]

You may not have fun with it

[cyan lagoon]

Death mode isnt supposed to be fun

[ashen warren]

Oh, its raining and i need to go in the snow biome, guess Ill have to equip this certain accessory

[terse sundial]

but others may have fun with it

[golden narwhal]

You need to accept that Dmode is challenging outside of boss battles

[terse sundial]

^

it's an overhaul to the calam experience

[ashen warren]

But it isnt difficult in a good way is what im saying

[forest fern]

will there be more accessories about some unpopular accessories?

[ashen warren]

Its just, oh random geyser from under you

And you die

[golden narwhal]

It is
Its subjective

[ashen warren]

Or, oh its raining

Guess you cant go outside for the entire day

[indigo fog]

You can place blocks on top of lava to easily counter geysers

[golden narwhal]

Fun is subjective

[forest fern]

D mode is really hard

[terse sundial]

there are always other things you can occupy your time with

[indigo fog]

Oh, its raining and i need to go in the snow biome, guess Ill have to equip this certain accessory
You literally just place like 6 campfires across the biome

[terse sundial]

you aren't supposed to rush through death mode like you would in revengeance

[ashen warren]

But wait

[forest fern]

if it's rainy, why not try go to underground

[terse sundial]

^

[ashen warren]

Death mode just forces you not to have fun because "hurr durr needs to be difficult"

[terse sundial]

again

[wooden wedge]

death mode is supposed to be difficult

[terse sundial]

just because you don't have fun, doesn't mean others won't

[golden narwhal]

Or ... hear me out
If u only like death boss battles u can disable death outside of them

[terse sundial]

^

you could always just do that

[ashen warren]

Well that just feels wrong though lol

[terse sundial]

that's on you

not on us

[ashen warren]

Whatever, I just dont understand why you would consider difficulty more important than playability

[golden narwhal]

It is playable ... and fun for some

[ashen warren]

Not for others

[terse sundial]

I don't have the patience to go back and forth on this, so I'm just gonna leave it there

[ashen warren]

Okay, i understand

[golden narwhal]

Which will always be the case - fun is subjective

[ashen warren]

But how is the weather effects fun? How does it make the game funner?

What about dying to a boss because your potion wore out and the cold killed you is fun?

[golden narwhal]

Or you could've been prepared and put campfires everywhere

[ashen warren]

Well that was too specific then

[golden narwhal]

I also gtg so
I leave it at fun is subjective

[sand umbra]

or bring more than 1 Warmth Potion and pay attention to your buff timers (or better yet, bind quick buff to left-click)

[ashen warren]

Suppose you're fighting WoF, but then you die because your obsidian skin potion wears out

[sand umbra]

or use any of the various other items you have pre-Cryo for cold resist

[ashen warren]

My point is, it doesnt make the game funner, or better

[sand umbra]

for WoF you literally have access to Lava Charm, Lava Waders, the Frost Barrier, the Magma Stone, Molten armor, the Obsidian Rose...

the list goes on and on

[ashen warren]

But wouldnt you need bundle of balloons? skyline wings? mabye class specific accessories?

What about being forced to wear a random accessory is better?

It doesnt add anything new to the game

[gusty geode]

"The harder mode is actually harder plz fix"
The idea of the changes is to make the world more dangerous, force the player to think before they act, and adjust their plans based on the environment
Lightning making travel on the surface difficult? Explore underground
Fire making it hard to get into the Underworld? Look around elsewhere for some way to work around it

[ashen warren]

It's all unnecessary, though. It leads to nothing but cheap deaths rather than a death that only occured due to your own error.

Rather than having to work around a problem, you just have to deal with it until it ends.

Oh, you need to get to the dungeon?

Too bad, there is an ice biome in between and its raining.

Guess you'll have to wait.

[indigo fog]

just place campfires

its not that hard

[ashen warren]

But its unnecessary

[sand umbra]

I'd like to remind you: these environmental changes are almost all still in a very early state, and they will liekly be ironed out much more as time goes on.

[ashen warren]

Its not needed

what's your solution, then?

[distant gyro]

obviously you know their solution

"""Solution"""

[ashen warren]

besides removing it

I don't have an exact solution, I'm just pointing out it's flawed.

[opal barn]

🙂

[ashen warren]

alright, good to know.

Geez, I was not expecting so many people getting on to me over this lol

[cyan lagoon]

What i do know is that this convo aint going anywhere

[ashen warren]

I do as well at this point lol

[cyan lagoon]

So its just gonna be the same shit and people are just gonna get pissed

[ashen warren]

I get it, Im done

[cyan lagoon]

So i say break it up--talk about something else. Please and thank you

[gusty geode]

I realize it's a new concept
Unforgiving environments that may lead to deaths that aren't exclusively the player's fault
Challenges that can't be overcome by just getting good
But the best thing to do is just learn to work around them rather than complain about them
K, dropping it now

[distant gyro]

another topic though

what do you think about changing boss rush AI

to just not be death in all difficulties

[sand umbra]

I agree

[gusty geode]

Would be down for that tbh

[ashen warren]

Is boss rush actually like that?

Rip

[distant gyro]

Death AI in normal mode

Yes

[sand umbra]

yes
BR inherits Death AI in all modes

because ???????

[hollow shell]

oh boyyyy another one of theeeese

[cyan lagoon]

Rover its over

We dont want to go over it again

[hollow shell]

We leaving the suggestion up/unedited?

[distant gyro]

oh yeah the suggestion itself

[ashen warren]

i can get rid of it

o ok

Didnt know this was so... controversial

[cyan lagoon]

I'll remove the reacts

@quiet abyss consider updating the doc

[gusty geode]

Will that even help tbh

[hollow shell]

Should we generalize this to all "some players may not like this so make it a config"?
Or just Death enviro stuff?

[gusty geode]

You know how people get about stuff they consider bullshit around here
If they can blame anything but themselves for a death they will be up in arms about it here

Also I'd generalize it personally

[teal ibex]

have we ever had a successful config suggestion?

[sand umbra]

...uhhhhhhh

[gusty geode]

Some of the stat caps were made configs iirc
Maybe

[radiant meadow]

yes

I made a config to lock the ripper bars in place

[teal ibex]

i see i see

[radiant meadow]

based on a suggestion

I don't remember if it ever got sent though

[teal ibex]

i think if anything it should state that content related config should be banned

since i don't think that's ever going to fly

[distant gyro]

meter lock is a suggestion config and that's the only one?

wait no

Boss Health Bar settings were moved to config

That's also a suggo

[radiant meadow]

although that was already togglable

[teal ibex]

ye, so a couple non-gameplay elements have been made configurable

[radiant meadow]

unlike weather which probably won't be togglable

[queen sail]

Question

[teal ibex]

but there's never been a gameplay config that has gone through

[queen sail]

Why does the Calam boss health bar have a keybind toggle and not, y’know

A config toggle

[radiant meadow]

lethal lava burn is only a config due to massive backlash

[queen sail]

[distant gyro]

not anymore

[radiant meadow]

update your mod

[queen sail]

Oh

[distant gyro]

that was changed in .4.3.

[bitter drift]

@ashen warren death mode IS the config option

[radiant meadow]

before I incinerate you on the spot

[queen sail]

[distant gyro]

also it had compat with the thing now

[queen sail]

I can’t play because my goddamn lenovo laptop keyboard is broken

Asdf keys broke

[distant gyro]

Configuration options page on the wiki is god btw

[hasty jungle]

USB keyboard time

[teal ibex]

adir that conversation is already over

[bitter drift]

oh ok

[sand umbra]

okay real talk
why is bringing up a topic that already died a common ability here

[distant gyro]

totally not because I remade it myself

[gusty geode]

Tbh I saw more backlash for lightning than lethal lava
Wasn't that just making lava bypass immunities

[radiant meadow]

Ein had a moment behind the scenes in test hq iirc

about lethal lava

so like

[teal ibex]

i mean, it's hard to determine what convos have and haven't ended w/o scrolling a fair amount sometimes thomas

[earnest phoenix]

lightning

[teal ibex]

doesn't mean it should happen, but it has a clear reason

[distant gyro]

lethal lava is just a countermeasure to obby skin

[sand umbra]

fair enough ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[distant gyro]

used to have more backlash when it came out

[teal ibex]

honestly though i think people forget that you can just toggle death before you fight bosses and switch it off afterwards?

[distant gyro]

moreso because it just looked like a bug

but now a buff icon for LLB is added

[teal ibex]

like, death is a toggle. you can turn it on and off as you please. nobody is forcing you to use it outside of boss fights and besides wall of flesh and cryogen i'm not aware of weather effects that impact bossfights

[gusty geode]

I keep forgetting
Are entirely new DM effects ok to suggest?

[teal ibex]

i don't see why they wouldn't be but i also can't see any getting approved

[distant gyro]

Adding new ones? Maybe

[sand umbra]

the only others I can think of for affecting boss fights would be Brimbo, Provi, Signus, and Storm Weaver

[distant gyro]

It's as likely to get in as an enemy AI change

[radiant meadow]

LLB already had a buff icon

since it was introduced

[sand umbra]

and vaguely Ceaseless and Polter

[radiant meadow]

it just used to be a placeholder

as in the same buff sprite as On Fire!

also

[gusty geode]

Debating whether or not Mighty Wind in the Jungle during Rain because tropical storms and all that is a good idea

[radiant meadow]

weather effects are disabled in boss fights

so they shouldn't affect them

[sand umbra]

only those that create projectiles

[distant gyro]

you see, I don't slap myself into lava normally until recent test

[radiant meadow]

I think we also disable mighty wind in boss fights

[distant gyro]

ye

[radiant meadow]

ah

[sand umbra]

all debuffs induced by weather except Mighty Wind but Mighty Wind is actually cringe for DS refighting are still onboard for boss fights

[radiant meadow]

mhm

[sand umbra]

so e.g. you can still freeze to death mid-Cryo

[gusty geode]

Fuck it
Imma suggest it

Wait shit
Primary reasoning was that the Jungle doesn't have a DM change already, but
Perpetual Bleeding

[sand umbra]

Jungle + Water = Blood

[radiant meadow]

thorns give a debuff iirc

[sand umbra]

simple maths

[radiant meadow]

piranhas out to get your blood

[sand umbra]

I'd ask if Piranhas inflict Bleeding yet but like

Maso change

[distant gyro]

Piranhas accelerate

[sand umbra]

and people will get angry if Maso change that makes sense is inherited in any capacity

[radiant meadow]

also, the other day, I found out Angry Dogs inflict bleeding

[distant gyro]

Arapaimas nyooms as hard as like

dog

[radiant meadow]

fish also interact weird with glacial state iirc

[ashen warren]

[sand umbra]

[toxic kettle]

Because traversing the Jungle isn't hard enough already

[hollow saffron]

@civic gust trivia was better in the terracord like a year ago in april

then they ruined it

if theyre going to add trivia they should add the old version

[bitter drift]

ok i found a weapon in death mode that is in need of heavy nerfs

the cryogenic staff this weapon is out right broken

[ashen warren]

Why would you punish the player for trying to explore their world?

[gusty geode]

Here we go again
It's not necessarily punishing
It's hindering
Making them think before they go and come prepared

[hollow shell]

It's punishing you for exploring the world unprepared

[ashen warren]

Is there an item that removes the effects of heavy winds?

[hollow shell]

Not that I'm aware of.

[ashen warren]

Cuz i think you'd need one if you were to add that function, otherwise you couldn't be prepared.

[gusty geode]

An item that makes the problem go away isn't always the best solution

[frail mantle]

tbh early game Jungle is already pretty hectic

[ashen warren]

Then what would be a good solution to heavy winds?

[golden narwhal]

Mighty Winds isn't the most punishing debuff if u got basic movement accs

[gusty geode]

Mighty Wind doesn't apply if you're behind a background wall
Considering tunnels are fairly common in the jungle you could just travel using those
And you'll be doing this anyway because there are chests there

[ashen warren]

I think the Jungle is already designed well, as the strong enemies act as a roadblock for early game players, but if an especially skilled player is able to get past them they are rewarded with better loot.

[gusty geode]

And keep in mind this only applies when it's raining
So passing through when it's not raining is also an option

[frail mantle]

you have a bunch of slimes, those plant fuckers that i can't remember the name of right now, bats, thorns, lots of pools that vibe check life regen and slow the player down unless they have flipper type gear

adding Mighty Wind to that shitpile would just make the Jungle annoying as fuck to traverse, especially so pre-boss

[ashen warren]

Yeah its already impossible to traverse a desert during a sandstorm so early, and those are relatively flat compared to jungles.

[frail mantle]

mhm

[indigo fog]

I never really had problems with sandstorms early-game

[radiant meadow]

people complain about blizzards

I don't see why people wouldn't complain about mighty wind in the jungle

[gusty geode]

People complain about all weather effects

[sand umbra]

people are complaining about weather effects existing in the first place

so like

[lost agate]

Every biome having an effect on rain sounds e

And well considering rain can get very fucking frequent. Ech

[dusty stirrup]

Mighty Wind in probably the most dangerous surface biome sounds awful

Mighty Wind in desert is already pretty bad to begin with

[frail mantle]

yea

[summer gust]

adding more fuel to the already annoying rain adding lightning would not be ideal even more so in the most dangerous biome in the game preHM

[tawdry cliff]

I get that revengence and death are meant to me extremely challenging but with the already unfair one shot mechanics early game it's really not worth making it harder

[potent veldt]

It feels also really far fetched for a reason, to begin with

Jungles have rampant weather, yes, but I don't think extreme winds are what jungles are known for

[sand umbra]

I'm pretty sure jungles are known for violent rain if anything

[potent veldt]

Rain yes

Jungles are humid and wet

Not windy

[sand umbra]

and unfortunately, rain intensity isn't exactly something you can adjust locally without a lot of

[potent veldt]

If anything, a jungle has a harder time being windy because there's so many damn trees and foliage

[sand umbra]

meme-tier bullshit

[gusty geode]

Make water blocks fall from the sky like autumn in Overhaul

[hallow hatch]

noo

freaky

[sly lily]

I got to say, everyone that complains about weather effects (I complain about sudden lightning, but I have learnt to like, have a cover) hasn't played Starbound it seems

that game has by default stuff like warmth and such

is it THAT much of a game changer for people? o.O

[queen delta]

For people who don't play starbound, most likely

[sly lily]

well, this game has by default the corruption spines, though people seem to just tank those

[hollow shell]

I don't think Starbound is that popular that you'd expect anyone who plays Calamity to have also played that

[sly lily]

(well, I don't actually "like" Starbound myself)

[hollow shell]

Also Starbound handles it differently

You have planets that you have to select and beam down to, and the entire planet is the hazardous environment
and you also have a million other planets you can go to

In Terraria, it's one world, and you can walk right into the hazardous environment

[sly lily]

or Metroid and heat areas

[ashen warren]

it's probably pretty jarring for people who're used to not having the environmental effects, then walking into said areas or experiencing those effects for the first time

I suppose a name like Death Mode should be fairly uninviting

[sly lily]

I wonder why the mode wasn't named Calamity

[hollow shell]

Yeah gee I wonder

[sly lily]

it now fits quite a bit

[ashen warren]

We learned after Tremor that naming a mode after the mod is

Calamode intensifies

[sly lily]

oh sorry I didn't know about that (...Tremor SURE was infamous from everything I have heard)

[ashen warren]

I heard it had a lot to do with boss balance.
...
That sounds familiar.

[sly lily]

...

[ashen warren]

...

[gusty geode]

||||

[ashen warren]

[quiet abyss]

Alright, that's enough

[gusty geode]

Just gonna say before I leave for some other chat
Tremor was a perfectly playable mod and not the dysfunctional mess its devs insist it was

[hollow shell]

myeah I was boutta say
It was definitely a fully fledged content mod

s'not The Room, or Sonic '06

It's like a 6/10

[vagrant flare]

it's certainly a dysfunctional mess at least nowadays

[potent veldt]

It's a great mod, but it's stuck in its time

[vagrant flare]

you can't even generate a fucking world with it lol

[potent veldt]

I'm perfectly fine with this.

[indigo fog]

Make the Demon Trophy unable to drop from the Wall of Flesh once it has been used

Reason: It's pretty pointless to have this item be able to drop at any point since the item can only be used once. This item also has a 100% drop chance, isn't stackable, and is worth no value so if you're farming WoF these are just there cluttering your inventory. Since Rage/Adrenaline boosters are only going to drop if you haven't consumed them next update, this item shoud do the same.

Is this fine to post or is there something I'm missing

[hollow shell]

That seems fair

[indigo fog]

alright then

[hollow shell]

Can't even make the multiplayer argument cuz it applies it to the world

[radiant meadow]

I can do that now

wait

I already did it for next update @indigo fog

[hollow shell]

ah

cool

[radiant meadow]

I think Ozzatron mentioned it in programming channel once so I did it

[hollow shell]

Oh wow yeah it was like 3 weeks ago

It's

wait

Is it in the public release?

[radiant meadow]

maybe?

I can't remember half the stuff I do and when it happens

[hollow shell]

The git commit was Feb 2nd, update released on the 6th

[radiant meadow]

then yes

it's ingame

[hollow shell]

Alright, I'll update the wiki

[indigo fog]

It is?

[hollow shell]

cool

[indigo fog]

the wiki said nothing about it so i thought nothing got changed

[radiant meadow]

it's better to test ingame

[hollow shell]

Welp I'll fix that

[indigo fog]

should i just delete the sugg then

[hollow shell]

Nah I see it right here

[radiant meadow]

because I tend to do obscure changes

[hollow shell]

it's in the source

[radiant meadow]

yes, you can delete it

because it's already a thing

byeah, I do obscure changes and completely forget

and then nobody notices because nobody pays attention

:)

[hollow shell]

There we go

Will the same apply to Celestial Onion?

(It doesn't currently, but if the Ripper consumables got it then it ought to as well)

[radiant meadow]

it drops directly from moon lord

[indigo fog]

What about during multiplayer in normal mode where it drops the onion directly

[radiant meadow]

I don't want to mess with it

[hollow shell]

That's fair.

[radiant meadow]

in case multiplayer fucks up

[hollow shell]

Moon Lord drops are scary

May wanna clarify that you mean the biome key

and not the generic Golden Key

(in the recipe)

[radiant meadow]

done

[hollow shell]

Thanku

There is some mod which adds a very similar recipe to that but I'm unsure which

[radiant meadow]

I actually meant Cryo Key

imksushi does I think?

[hollow shell]

Nah not imksushi

Because of course that one would

I think Luiafk??

[radiant meadow]

maybe

[indigo fog]

It was fargo's mutant mod

[hollow shell]

I had it in a recent playthrough and didn't check which mod added it

nah, I didn't use Fargo's

[radiant meadow]

more than one probably adds it

[hollow shell]

Yeah

prolly

Considering several mods add their own upgrades to the weapons, you'd need more than one

[indigo fog]

I know fargo's adds a recipe with a key + 10 ectoplasm

[radiant meadow]

hfsd doesn't have a key but you also don't need hfsd for anything else

so idk what to do with it

[hollow shell]

(Is that still because of programming difficulties?)

[radiant meadow]

maybe?

Fab also preferred boss unlocking it

because it made it more unique than a key

[hollow shell]

Well, s'inconsistent with vanilla of course

If this sugg gets in then there is an extra motivation to have one

We can just make the key a 100% drop from Aureus

[radiant meadow]

okay but consistency is restricting in terms of design

[sand umbra]

make it so you can't actually use the key until Aureus is dead

you can attempt to use it beforehand, but the lock just jams (from an in-universe perspective)/it doesn't work (from a design perspective)

[radiant meadow]

consistency can only be held up in so many places

that's not to say we don't have consistency

and some of our consistencies are better than the trashpile vanilla can be

[sand umbra]

at least Calamity actually stays consistent with...

...most of its crafting sets, as far as progression placements go

/glares at Demonite/Crimtane and Lunar Fragments, amongst other things

Bloodstone bothers me a bit but that's besides the point, and that's still just one mat over vanilla's fuckin' 4 or 5

[radiant meadow]

bloodstone is weird

[sand umbra]

everything you craft with it is post-Provi

[radiant meadow]

but I think it's fine

[sand umbra]

except whoops armor also requires Polter

it's one mat though and nothing to lose sleep over

[radiant meadow]

you can't fish up a scourge of the corruptor?

or did I add it and literally forgot

[sand umbra]

thought:

fishing has a chance to grant you a bootleg Golden Lock Box which, when opened with a key, gives you that Biome Chest's weapon

[radiant meadow]

okay so bribe Iban with 6 box sprites

[sand umbra]

yeeeeeeeees

[quick ice]

ignore me I can’t read
I’d say that you could just add those as drops from the golden lock box rather than making a new one entirely

[radiant meadow]

although

[sand umbra]

you'd need a way to check if the chest itself has already been opened/its loot collected

[radiant meadow]

I'd prefer a crafting recipe

[sand umbra]

Fargo's already does a crafting recipe

also I like greater fishing relevance better

a

[radiant meadow]

biome crates can be annoying sometimes though

also, I'm pretty sure multiple mods add a crafting recipe

[sand umbra]

yes

[quick ice]

I’d say recipe since Calamity already does plenty of recipes for various weapons/accessories that have some level of importance

[sand umbra]

my assertion was to do quite literally anything else

but if we're going consistent with Calamity's existing track record for making vanilla items craftable when important...

yeah just do a crafting recipe ig

[radiant meadow]

make them sold by the Clothier

[sand umbra]

[hollow shell]

I mean...

[radiant meadow]

checking if the key is in your inventory

except hfsd since that just needs a dead space crab

Calamity also has another existing track record of making things sold, so it won't be out of place either

[sand umbra]

[hollow shell]

Make the Clothier sell a new item that is then crafted into the biome chest item

[radiant meadow]

Illegal Dungeon Parts

[sand umbra]

Clothier sells the weapons in direct exchange for Biome Keys after Plantera is dead

h

[hollow shell]

Biome Weapon Molds

[turbid pike]

for the stardisk or whatever the astral chest has, could have bandit sell it once after aureus is dead and you havent opened the astral chest (buying it could relock the chest maybe?)

or somethin like that

[sand umbra]

HFSD is sold for Aureus Cells

[turbid pike]

^ or that

[ashen warren]

is the post pumpkin and frost moon too hard in your opinions?

[hollow shell]

There was a suggestion a while back to heavily nerf their damage values
and it was universally approved by devs
but, didn't end up happening

[ashen warren]

yikes

[indigo fog]

Aren't there other mods that just make them invincible anyway

[hollow idol]

Calamity already adds qol things that other mods have tho

Like vanilla item recipes and stuffs

so I dont think another mod existing should get in the way

[hollow shell]

I am averse to the idea of configs and I think there are better ways of handling this issue

but I suppose it's valid

[mighty knot]

Make Providence, Brimstone Elemental, the Profaned Guardians, Astrum Aureus, and Astrum Deus as well as potentially other biome-specific bosses Despawn All Enemies in their Respective Biome when Spawned

Although there are plenty of biome-specific bosses besides these five, I'm pointing these out in particular because of the biomes they are in. This really is a pain because of leftover enemies, which can get in the way and ruin the fight on some occasions. The enemies of these biomes specifically are annoying because:

1. They do at least a considerable amount of damage at the point of the game you'd be fighting the boss and generally spawn a lot, especially with Demon Trophy and/or Revengeance
2. They have enough health that the player has to stop focusing on the boss and focus on them instead during the fight
3. These bosses (with the exception of maybe Profaned Guardians) are all fairly punishing, and getting distracted can be fatal
4. They spawn A LOT (I know I already said that, but it's important enough to merit more than one bullet point)

I listed the bosses above in the order of which is the most irritating. For Providence, and in a few cases Brimstone Elemental (should I be fighting her in place of Skeletron Prime), I have gotten to the point where I have to teleport down into the arena, immediately pause, get the summon ready, and begin the fight ASAP so no enemies can spawn. Profaned enemies have a lot of health and do a lot of damage, and spawn in ridiculously quickly even with a mix of Calming, Zen, Peace Candles, and Tranquility Candles--though that may be a bug. For Brimstone Elemental, only minor spawn reduction items are available (as she is usually fought before Plantera), and the Brimstone Crag enemies are hard to see and can do a lot of damage even in mid-hardmode. Building an arena is hard enough, but having a round of potions wasted because of some goddamn Scorn Eater is really obnoxious.

PLEASE NOTE THAT I KNOW I AM IN SUGGESTIONS DISCUSSION. READ THE PINS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD

[hollow shell]

Seems fair

[indigo fog]

This has never been much of a problem for me

but im not against it

[mighty knot]

cool

[plush nova]

When you die against SCal in DMode you shouldn't be able to respawn imo, since it makes the fight too easy

in multiplayer*

[hollow shell]

mm, that can be said for many bosses

Multiplayer is inherently cheesy because of respawning

[gusty grail]

Riril is spamming suggests like no tommorow imo

[plush nova]

mm, that can be said for many bosses
@hollow shell Sure

But since late game armors give some kind of invencibility after losing all your health, it can be even more cheesy, cause waiting 30s is extremely fast and easy

[hollow shell]

Yeah, late-game does give you a lotta survivability

[indigo fog]

I made a sugg like this before, but it included much more bosses than just ML
I don't remember when that was posted

[hollow shell]

Mid-January

Devs were mixed on the idea.

[ashen warren]

😎

[hollow shell]

I don't think this counts as a bluecheck cuz this is just one of the many bosses you mentioned before.

[plush nova]

Btw, on the pumpkin moon and frost moon

at least with summoner/rogue i found it pretty easy

but idk other classes

[hollow shell]

Referring to the post-DoG ones

[plush nova]

I'm too

[hollow shell]

aight

The damage that the enemies inflict in those events, and the Darksun Eclipse, is a little bit ridiculous

Get two-shot by pretty much any attack

It's not a big deal because you can die and respawn and the event is still going

but it is annoying

[plush nova]

Yea, it was kinda annoying, but fair imo

[radiant meadow]

@pulsar jay fixed next update

the Atlas thing

[bitter drift]

nerf the cryogenic staff for summoner
the cryogenic staff is an smart targeting, hard hitting, insanely fast firing sentry for summoner that can spray an entire screen with bouncing projectiles. the sentry it self cost no summon slots.
it's biggest weakness are weak and fast enemies
this make the weapon absolutely broken with damage and it's only down side being that it doesn't follow you however this won't matter when most bosses are too big to miss (destroyer, leviathan and AS) have more then one hit box (skelly prime, twins and calamitas) or stand completely still for a good amount of time (brimstone elemental, planterra and calamitas' brothers)

[keen geyser]

post cryo sentry that can carry until golem

[bitter drift]

this is why i am suggesting the nerf

and BTW this comes from my DM summoner experience

[keen geyser]

slap on ooa armor and accessories and it's easy

yeah same

ripperless dm when it was stat bloats

[bitter drift]

i really love how the brimstone elemental just try to fire a laser at me but get bombarded by every icicle on the globe

so @keen geyser to suggest it?

[keen geyser]

I agree with it

dunno bout others

[frail mantle]

Calamity sentries have a thing for being absolute meme with OOA gear

[bitter drift]

other who didn't play summoner might disagree lol

OOA?

[frail mantle]

Old One’s Army

[bitter drift]

non of this here lol

i never use OOA gear in hard mode

[frail mantle]

Good for you

[bitter drift]

yet this thing does 120 base damage and wreck every boss in less then a 1/4 of a terraria night

[frail mantle]

Tbh I’d prefer it if early HM summoner wasn’t complete cbt

[bitter drift]

i really don't think what CBT is (cuz i'm not English)

[frail mantle]

I feel like mini cryovens being strong is a benefit that Summoners should keep

[bitter drift]

yes but why keep this

this happened in a quarter of a night

[frail mantle]

Good

[bitter drift]

my glass canon rogue play though killed destroyer in half of a night

[frail mantle]

At least Summoner can have some bosses pre-Plant that it does well against

[bitter drift]

i'm not saying destroy this staff just make it not OP AF

[frail mantle]

Also things dealing a lot of damage with glass cannon builds is pretty much a given

[bitter drift]

i wasn't really glass canoning

on rogue i was and that was a fun fight that lasted half the night
this how ever

[frail mantle]

Also the Destroyer is supposed to take around two minutes to beat, so a quarter of a night ain’t that bad I think

[keen geyser]

Leon, in my pt I used cryogenic vs clone, using a generic build consisting of mostly defensive accessories. Absolutely mauled that thing

[bitter drift]

well now watch me destroy calamitas planterra and the leviathan with this frozen hell

it's OP

[frail mantle]

imo this is another case of “if it’s in your favor don’t complain about it” but eh
what do I know

[bitter drift]

this is in my favor yet against me
i mean i play death mode to have fun challenge why this staff should ruin it?

[keen geyser]

it's a post cryo sentry

it shouldn't be good post clone

imo

[frail mantle]

Fair

[bitter drift]

so i'm getting it into #suggestions-voting

[keen geyser]

ye*

[bitter drift]

posted

[ashen warren]

why is there a non bolding suggestion sentence meta

[gray nebula]

@worn salmon

[worn salmon]

brug

lmao

i made that suggestion for a friend who wanted it

[zealous ridge]

Hmm

Would it just crowd the minimap too much or is it a balance desision?

[toxic kettle]

It's probably because Yharon as the final boss is supposed to be hard

[hollow saffron]

scal

[zealous ridge]

well okay but

Borderline undodgeable hits? Mmmmmm

I guess it ties in to the philosophy of yharon being a positioning fight

but does if feel good? Nah not really

[gray nebula]

scal is a superboss

[zealous ridge]

I will say though, there are other solutions to making the flarenadoes less obnoxious than just putting them on the minimal

[ashen warren]

maybe they should rework yharon's flarenadoes

or something

I find it irritating too

[toxic kettle]

they're being nerfed next update

[hollow saffron]

just make the flarenadoes push the player back into the arena

[toxic kettle]

147 - Made Yharon's fire tornadoes less ridiculous. - Done

[gray nebula]

[ashen warren]

xul were not talking about the border

[zealous ridge]

that’s what I’d like to see but idk if that will happen on the dev schedule

and also, I don’t know what that entails until we get the update so as far as I’m concerned it’s valid to discuss

[gray nebula]

the non lethal border flarenadoes suggestion is gonna get accepted doe

[zealous ridge]

ooooh

Interesting

the border tornadoes are an enigma to me because it’s like a border that fluctuates in distance to its center in a really weird way

[queen sail]

Bordernadoes are weird because it’s basically SCal’s arena but you get punished for walking into them

[hollow saffron]

accidental dash moment

[queen sail]

Scal even used bloodnadoes at one point iirc but it was stinky

[hollow saffron]

oh yeah that

very stink

[sand umbra]

bloodnadoes

those are things that exist

[hollow saffron]

Move holy flame immunity from Asgard's Valor to the Elysian Aegis

Reason: It makes more sense for Providence to drop an item that gives immunity to holy flames, rather than a completely unrelated item giving it.

[ashen warren]

#suggestions-voting

[hollow saffron]

uh

[distant gyro]

more like

[queen sail]

No it’s recommended they post here first

[hollow saffron]

you can post suggs here

excuse me

[distant gyro]

and check the description

[sand umbra]

it's in the freaking channel description now for Christ's sake

[hollow saffron]

^

[sand umbra]

what else do you want

[distant gyro]

time to update description on #suggestions-voting

[hollow saffron]

[quiet abyss]

Chill, y'all

[hollow saffron]

why does exist

lmao

[sand umbra]

[hollow saffron]

a e u g h

but anyways how is the sugg

[sand umbra]

anyway

I agree wholeheartedly with your sugg

[hollow saffron]

anything i should change?

[ashen warren]

prov would have to be nerfed slightly if you cant have immunity to the holy flames before beating her

[zealous ridge]

well there’s godslayer inferno and that doesn’t really have an immunity associated

[hollow saffron]

just get goOd

that too

[zealous ridge]

Besides like Silva’s immunity to all debuff a

[ashen warren]

well DoG doesnt have a lot of projectile spam like prov

[zealous ridge]

and the immunity provided by fearmonger

[ashen warren]

the lasers are easy to dodge, just move horizontally

[hollow saffron]

imean scal has projectile spam

and you cant get immunity to vulnerability hex

[ashen warren]

because scal is a superboss

[zealous ridge]

Nor abyssal flames

[hollow saffron]

^

yet brimmy has projectile spam

not as much as provi i know

but still

the same goes for pbg

[zealous ridge]

tbf there’s alchemical

[hollow saffron]

imo alchemical should only be craftable post pbg tbh

[distant gyro]

@ionic swift ...

Astral doesn't spread.

[raven plover]

Ai doesnt spread

[gray nebula]

that's a bruh moment

[raven plover]

What i came here to say as well

[ionic swift]

I couldve sworn it did

[raven plover]

Nope

[hollow saffron]

astral spreads?

what

[raven plover]

You can spread it manually

[ionic swift]

Apparently not

D e r p

[raven plover]

But it doesnt spread naturally

[ashen warren]

is there a jungle solution which will turn corrupted dirt into jungle mud in the mod

[ionic swift]

It certainly felt like it but meh

Sorry about that

[gusty geode]

No
But if you're patient, Chlorophyte Ore does it
And you can also convert Mushroom Biomes you're not using

[autumn lion]

got it

121

i know a lot find that dumb, but not for me

[terse sundial]

suggestions aren't auto sent, just give it a bit

[autumn lion]

yeah i know

[forest fern]

I found a NPC called Marisa

wiki

says it's a touhou meme

why not make a texture for npc with this name a the real Marisa in touhou:D

[terse sundial]

suggestions that are purely for references aren't allowed

[forest fern]

emmm

let me ask about it first

[terse sundial]

@pulsar jay typical response about buff/nerf suggestions: Please provide on tier boss killtimes in Revengeance Mode without using rage or adren.

you could provide dps on bosses aswell

[pulsar jay]

i play on expert

[terse sundial]

we balance the mod on revengeance

[pulsar jay]

revengeance only makes the difficulty higher. if the dragon is stronger on expert how is the helix suddenly going to increase in power in rev

[terse sundial]

boss health

[pulsar jay]

increasing the boss's health and def isn't going to change the ratios between their dps

[terse sundial]

killtimes are more valued than dps, killtimes are going to be faster on expert compared to rev

[night cradle]

and there is at least going to be some info about how much it's gonna need a buff

[pulsar jay]

again, even comparing that, the ratios will not change

maybe the amounts will but they will likely still be apart from eachother

unless rev mod directly buffs/nerf a weapon

[terse sundial]

we don't have the average numbers for expert mode bosses nor do we care about the ratios right now

we want to see how it godspawn helix staff preforms

you can compare ratios after

[void kelp]

basically what merk is saying is that expert dps and times don’t do anything because there isn’t any data to reference it with

bc the data they have is for rev

say, is the whole “balancing things are focused around revengance” concept in the doc?

[terse sundial]

I don't think so

[keen geyser]

also deus is a segmented boss

godspawn helix is a single target attack

whereas dragon pierces indefinitely

[distant gyro]

godspawn helix is balanced for 4 minutes ml

which is the normal balance for ml in general

[keen geyser]

do you know dragon's kill time for ml?

is it around the same ya think?

[terse sundial]

also I didn't want to bring this up, but summon balance is tricky because of summon combos

[keen geyser]

aye

[night cradle]

especially with dragon's damage stacking

[terse sundial]

I know cells are weak for ML, around 6:25

dragon always depends on how many segments you summon

[night cradle]

yeah

[keen geyser]

how long is deus roughly supposed to take?

[distant gyro]

3 minutes

[keen geyser]

yeah I can understand why he thinks godspawn is bad

[terse sundial]

the fastest killtime on the current ML that I could get as summoner was a 3:02 with two hive pods, hote summons, and 2 godspawn and the rest dragon

so it's always a huge range

[keen geyser]

since he was using deus as an example, helix just killed it in like 5 minutes

[terse sundial]

helix is a deus drop

[keen geyser]

yeah i dont get that either

[terse sundial]

so that's not on tier

plus dragon is going to demolish deus because of the piercing

lasers don't typically pierce

[keen geyser]

oh wait

i read that sugg wrong

nevermind me

[terse sundial]

@pulsar jay how many godspawns did you summon, how many segments did the dragon have?

Did you test on a dummy or on a boss, and if on a boss, which boss?

[pulsar jay]

16 on both

on a dummy since

[terse sundial]

dummies are stationary, which allows the dragon to just sit on it dealing constant damage

[night cradle]

dummies don't show accurate DPS

[terse sundial]

that is not accurate portrayal of each summons dps

[night cradle]

bosses also have AI, defense, damage reduction on Rev+ and health

[keen geyser]

aren't they also very finnicky in terms of iframes?

dummies i mean

[pulsar jay]

they are?

[terse sundial]

they have default frames, but reduced to like 2

[keen geyser]

always seems like my weapons ignore iframes when used on dummies

[terse sundial]

mhm because it only has 2 frames of immunity

[keen geyser]

which would inflate the dps even more

[terse sundial]

compared to the default which is 10

[keen geyser]

correct?

[terse sundial]

yes

[night cradle]

which is 2/60 of a second so yeah it feels like no iframes

wait

yeah I'm correct

[terse sundial]

This is the tedious world of balancing, which is why I personally dislike balance suggestions

we have a specific process for testing weps and accessories

[hollow shell]

Wait, we're talking about Super Dummies, right?
Minions can't target normal dummies

[distant gyro]

most likely

[terse sundial]

^

although the stardust dragon can still sit ontop the normal dummy

[hollow shell]

Do super dummies not have normal enemy iframes?

[terse sundial]

I'll check rn

[hollow shell]

They definitely should

[terse sundial]

it doesn't appear to have any i-frame augmentations

so they should just have the default

[hollow shell]

Yeah
so
iunno what you were on about earlier

[terse sundial]

my mind went to normal dummies instead of super

didn't catch myself

[hollow shell]

Aight

[radiant meadow]

Imagine using dummies at all though

:)

[keen geyser]

godspawn helix with the class setups summoner build took from 4:12 am to 11:29 (moon lord)

[sand umbra]

that puts it at...

...7:17

yikes

[ashen warren]

long fight

[sand umbra]

longe fight indeed

[radiant meadow]

@hollow saffron it's not really moving it if Elysian Aegis already has it

[hollow saffron]

that wasnt what i meant

[queen sail]

I think he means make HF immunity exclusive to both Aegis’ instead of Valor having it too

[sand umbra]

why does Valor give Holy Flames immune, actually

...and why does it give Glacial State immune, for that matter

[radiant meadow]

well he said move it in the suggestion

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[distant gyro]

Eleum and Ornate Shield represent Glacial State when combined

apparently

Explains how Sunlight is for Holy Flames

[radiant meadow]

eleum - glacial state
cinder/sunlight - holy flames
chaos - brimstone flames

[distant gyro]

ye

[radiant meadow]

:)

also abaddon

brimstone tiara is shoved into the shield for additional explanation

[queen sail]

Ornate Shield giving immunity to Glacial State 😳

[radiant meadow]

perhaps maybe

[queen sail]

I mean it (sorta) makes sense?

You get immunity to the debuff the boss inflicts after you kill it?

Idk

[sand umbra]

wouldn't it make more sense to have it be

[radiant meadow]

warmth potion lol

[sand umbra]

something made from Frigid Bars

[queen sail]

You have a point

[radiant meadow]

we planned to do something with frigid bars iirc

[queen sail]

...if frigid bars were used for much else

Oh cool

[tired haven]

Indeed

[radiant meadow]

there was some talk about it

but all we did for now is remove all the cryogen weapon recipe drops

[queen sail]

Nooooo my antigrind :echsad: /s

[sand umbra]

the grind never stops

also acts as yet another (albeit indirect) nerf to Kelvin Catalyst

[distant gyro]

enchanted metal 2

[queen sail]

Oh right

Enchanted metal

...that thing

[radiant meadow]

gel darts and ice stars still drop from their respective bosses

but they're no longer crafted

[queen sail]

I’m assuming enchanted metal is also gonna get more uses

[radiant meadow]

you can assume but I cannot verify nor deny that statement

[queen sail]

Bc atm 3 alternative mech boss summon recipes and a weapon seems very :peepodetective:

[radiant meadow]

[queen sail]

I will

With this

🔫

[radiant meadow]

[queen sail]

[tired haven]

imagine coming with a hammer to a gunfight

[radiant meadow]

water gun gets destroyed

but I digress

[sand umbra]

wait why are Gel Darts not gonna be craftable

[queen sail]

Bc they drop already i assume

[radiant meadow]

slime god drops also get their recipes deyeeted

:)

[sand umbra]

make them not drop

[radiant meadow]

I was considering that

but I decided they can still drop it for memes

[sand umbra]

because farming Slime God for a consumable weapon is cringe

[radiant meadow]

the two weapons are obtained another way

[sand umbra]

personally I'm of the opinion that, unless it's shit like the RE weps' ammo, consumable weapons shouldn't be boss drops

but that's just my two cents on the matter

[radiant meadow]

in addition to dropping from the boss

[sand umbra]

another way???

I am intrigued

[radiant meadow]

yes, god blesses you with gel darts and ice stars every 5 minutes

[sand umbra]

inb4 you buy Gel Darts from the Bandit in exchange for Purified Gel

[queen sail]

Bandit has an all new coin system :completedjfhskdhd:

[radiant meadow]

although I might end up just removing it from the boss loot pool

I need to think about it more :)

[sand umbra]

Bandit eats all your resources and gives you rogue stuff

I see no downside to this approach whatsoever

=)

[radiant pivot]

how's this suggestion:

Make the dash of the Statis' Belt of Curses give you a similar speed output to the dash of the Asgardian Aegis

These items are basically at the same tier, or at least, post DoG and pre Yharon phase 1. Players using the belt should be able to get a faster dash with the belt. I get that the Asgardian Aegis has huge crafting tree, but it just doesn't make sense that the belt, an accessory for players who want to be able to move quickly (mainly rogue and summoner) has a slower dash than the Aegis.

does it make enough sense to be put in the suggestions channel?

[frail mantle]

hm

i feel like Aegis recipe justifies its dash being longer

[radiant pivot]

oh true

i mean

[queen sail]

What Aegis reference

[indigo fog]

Does it really make sense for a post-DoG belt to have the same distance as the tabi

but im not sure if it needs to be buffed

[frail mantle]

don't mind my spelling i'm just a dumbass

[radiant pivot]

yeah thats what i was thinking

also i just looked it up aegis was apparently some Greek god armor associated with zeus and athena

[sand umbra]

Aegis recipe is only even half as large as it is because it's the funny Ankh Shield upgrade line

[radiant pivot]

true

[sand umbra]

and you can craft everything in the Ankh Shield tree long before ever reaching DoG

[frail mantle]

also i feel like class specific accs shouldn't give better classless boosts than classless accs

[sand umbra]

(or even ML, for that matter)

[tired haven]

Tbh
One is a class accessory and another has no benefits like that. Aegis should stay better as a dash accessory to not highlight summoners that much
Basically what leon said

[radiant pivot]

i get that

yeah i wasnt too sure if it would be too much to buff it like that

ty tho

[tired haven]

Byeah

[radiant pivot]

what if its not as fast or faster than the aegis, but just a little faster than it is now? because it still is only as fast as the tabi

[cursive heath]

Thoughts?

**Yharon's transition into phase 2. **

While Yharon is regenerating his health, have the background stay the same until he recovers 33%, at which point use the same effect when a Celestial Pillar's shield dissipates, and fade in a more orange backdrop. When he recovers 66%, do the same again (Celestial Pillar effect, deeper orange in background) and once more at 97% or 99% while adding flame effects to the jungle biome background. I feel that would have a greater impact on players that this time Yharon's not holding back, igniting the jungle in an inferno in his fearful bid to stop the player.

The Yharon fight is easily my favourite fight, not just for the difficulty but the lore aspects behind it. I feel a subtle change like this would have a bigger impact on the player when they transition into phase 2. All purely aesthetic of course.

[hallow kraken]

I mean

It’s pretty specific definitely

And sounds kinda unnecessary

[ashen warren]

I mean just the shock alone of having a boss regen all its health with nothing you can do to stop it is pretty impactful

[hallow kraken]

And exactly how does yharon copying a pillar effect fit him lore-wise?

[cursive heath]

My thinking is it acts similar to a blast of heat. A shockwave if you will

The air getting warmer around you and all that. And yes, entirely unnecessary in the grand scheme of things but I've always felt little details like that make an experience that much better

[ashen warren]

What if it increased the intensity of the already existing heat-wave effect

[cursive heath]

That too

[hallow kraken]

the reasoning is odd

what lore aspect

the sug itself is very specific

[cursive heath]

The lore is already there in the fight, Yharon's restoring himself and making himself stronger in a bid to stop the player who has grown too powerful. His fire-related attacks increase in strength and showing that increase in heat and fire visually is something that (I feel) would be a good suggestion.

[hallow kraken]

So copy a pillar effect to do so?

[cursive heath]

Could also swap the three shockwaves throughout for one at the end of his regeneration when he's vulnerable again.

Well it'd be far easier than making a NEW effect for it

The pillar effect already causes a subtle ripple radiating from a point, makes sense to reuse it if possible.

[hallow kraken]

Nothing makes sense to reuse

[cursive heath]

No? You feel it'd make more sense to make an entirely new effect that emulate's an already existing one?

[hallow kraken]

No. I feel as if yharon does not need a new effect.

and if I did feel as if yharon did, yes

[gusty geode]

Unnecessary =/= bad

[cursive heath]

He's already getting a new sprite design, why not tweak the visuals of the fight itself at the same time?

[vocal grotto]

I mean, other shaders could be made technically

[gusty geode]

Also
The mentality that specific suggestions of any kind are bad because SISs are banned is
Weird to say the least

[hallow kraken]

Hm

It is specific, but I guess it isn’t a don’t

[wary canyon]

i kinda like it

when i first fought the floof phase 2 i was like, "okay that was the same"

and then he just showed up and scared the crap outta me

it would be very epic if he did a shockwave type thing

[ashen warren]

if Ocram were added in Calamity progession
after which boss would he be?

just a question

[indigo fog]

Likely around Calamitas/Plantera. I don't know why you're asking here

[ashen warren]

That came to mind.

[sly lily]

possible suggestion for Death Mode that came to mind now that I got a Frost Barrier... should there be two displayed debuffs for the player when activating in? aka, "weak to heat" and "weak to cold"? (not those names, but for better understanding)

the "debuffs" could explain which areas they affect

and when you equipped or used temperature protecting gear, they could either go away or be sustituted by "buffs" that said "heat protected" and/or "cold protected" (again, basic names here)

perhaps it could be also added for underground darkness levels displayed by a "light level" buff that showed which depth will blackout the character

if implementing those as buffs or debuffs is too hard, could they perhaps be added to the Stat Sheet and give earlier as Fargo Mod gives one of their own?

a further and more ambitious suggestion perhaps: add also a list of susceptible debuffs the player could get, either as an icon or in the stat sheet

if the stat sheet idea might complicate the usual stat sheet, perhaps an "advanced stat sheet" would be able to be made with a copy of the Death item and the Stat sheet?

[hollow shell]

That's an awful recipe
but in concept maybe

The thing about the darkness effects is that it's not gonna be set points where you get another darkness effect anymore, it's all one smooth transition based on depth

[sand umbra]