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bitter drift
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not losing the fight just the adrenaline aka don't get hit

hallow kraken
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what happened to “the main thing that hits you”

frosty dagger
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For the the Servents are all the trouble

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If they don't hit me I never get hit

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They know me into the eye

bitter drift
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yap

frosty dagger
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Ngl the eye needs more depth now

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Since they removed the earlier phases

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It's just doing the same thing over and over till the eye is dead and it's kinda boring

timid pawn
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Is it me or is crescent moon need a nerf?

indigo fog
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So is this suggestion fine?

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what

hallow kraken
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okay??

frosty dagger
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We need another phase for death eye

bitter drift
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sure i will be up for it

indigo fog
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i just want to know if my suggestion is fine to post

timid pawn
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@bitter drift Why deleting your message?

bitter drift
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cuz people didn't get the joke or the coloration

frosty dagger
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Why the ping

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Yea I got wooshed

wary canyon
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@indigo fog I think it’s pretty good, maybe space out the text a little

bitter drift
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about the suggestion post it i won't star it but i respect it

indigo fog
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I will, it's just an idea i had

wary canyon
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or put it more in the general suggestion format ppl use

hallow kraken
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imagine announcing you won’t star it

sand umbra
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okay so like

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I want to agree with you

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but also you can literally just have a tool or other item that swings and damages like a broadsword

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keep it swinging

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and ignore basically every Spell AI enemy anyway

indigo fog
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You at least have to pay some attention to the projectiles

sand umbra
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not really

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I literally don't care about e.g. Fire Imp fireballs when I'm mining Hellstone, for example, because my pickaxe already cucks all of them out of existence anyway

bitter drift
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xD tru

sand umbra
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same goes for Dark Caster bolts, Tim's bolts
basically any "spell" you would otherwise have to contend with whilst mining

indigo fog
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I'm mainly talking about EoW fight, but yeah Caster AI is already ignorable

sand umbra
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now, for the EoW fight, you've got a lot more of an argument

frosty dagger
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Sugg idea: Add an attack for death EoC where instead of it charging horizontally at you it will occasionally charge vertically ahead of you (predicts where you are going to be) and increase it's frequency the farther the fight goes on.

Death EoC only has one phase and once you learn the trick of just running to one side, jumping on the horizontal charge and changing direction, it is super boring and easy. There is nothing the eye can really do to hit you. I think anddong an extra attack would add some depth to the fight.

sand umbra
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Vile Spits are a huge part of how EoW is at all threatening early in the fight

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Tesla Potions let you eliminate that, leaving a very easily handled worm boss

bitter drift
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i guess EoW wouldn't be a walking joke with this potion if this potion wasn't a basically a get out of jail free card

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like do a lot of damage AND don't have to worry about any projectile in the sliest?

sand umbra
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iirc Tesla Potions in current release are actually bugged as far as damage goes

...or was that the Navy Fishing Rod

wary canyon
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I gave the star

indigo fog
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I think that was the fishing rod

sand umbra
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...yeah, pretty sure it was Navy now that I think of it

bitter drift
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@sand umbra i mean that EoW is a worm boss so imagine if you stand right in the perfect place like 20 segments at the potion's radius

hallow kraken
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ping

bitter drift
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and without defense this potion does about 11 damage

sand umbra
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pinging me when I'm right here

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after I'm pretty sure I've told you how I feel on that, too

indigo fog
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When i fought EoW the buff didn't do much for damaging

sand umbra
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also EoW segments have some defense

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more in Expert+

bitter drift
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still it will be a lot of damage you can get in

indigo fog
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It wasn't for me. Ball O' Hurt was my main weapon and it did a lot more dmg

sand umbra
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...have you actually tested this, adir

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or do I need to open a world rn and do it for you

indigo fog
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It's not meant to be used for damaging

sand umbra
bitter drift
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@sand umbra (when it comes to EoW) sadly now i can only imagine because i'm on a crimson world
but honestly let's think you got an easy to make potion post DS against a generally weak worm boss and his only other attack other then his charge is his spit that your potion removes as well

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on EoC i tested and it did what i said free adrenaline

teal ibex
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A more particular critique of Yharon phase 1:

Recently a fair handful of people have voiced their concerns with Yharon's first phase, multiple of which stating they find the first phase more difficult than the second, interestingly enough.

After this thorough discussion, there were two major qualms people had with the Yharon fight: the unintuitive element of the big flame tornados, and the rapidity of Yharon's movement (namely relating to dashes). Instead of describing these issues, I'll post the solutions and what advantages they may have to save repetition and space.

In response to the big flame tornado issue: create or update the existing sprite to stand out like a sore thumb relative to other projectiles, and have it start considerably slower than it does currently. This will give players the opportunity to learn of this projectile, and thusly they may be able to react to and play around the big flame tornados instead of being confused and blaming RNG or otherwise for their defeat. This element deserves to be preserved, it just needs to be easier to understand in tandem.

In response to the movement and dash issue, I believe by either creating more gaps or lengthening the existing gaps between dashes, there would be two present benefits. Firstly, the final two subphases of Yharon phase 1 would be less of an intensive difficulty spike, balancing it closer to the relative difficulty of phase 2, and can secondarily give summoners more small opportunities to deal meaningful, essential damage. It is notoriously difficult for summoners to combat Yharon, so this should play a small part in alleviating that issue.

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it is time

quiet abyss
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Sounds pretty good overall 👍

wary canyon
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good sugg would star

teal ibex
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i'll let it sit out for some minutes before posting just in case people want to flame me haha ha. jokes haha. 🔥 YharonAch

void kelp
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the only flaming I want to do now is about that joke LeviKek

hollow shell
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I'm wondering if you should wait before posting this considering the other Yharon suggestions are still relatively recent

void kelp
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I think waiting would probably be a good idea yeah

wary canyon
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but isnt that the point of the sugg

teal ibex
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not to play fortune teller or anything but there's only one on a successful trajectory and it's unrelated to my suggestion

wary canyon
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to combine the recent sugg into one

teal ibex
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but i'll hold off for a day or two if you'd think it preferable

hollow shell
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Would probably just give people the feeling of "ugh its another Yharon suggestion"

teal ibex
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true

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that being said it's big and impending and scary hecticBlush

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i'll hold off for a day or two

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mfw every suggestion i make lately is like short essays

hollow shell
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A small thing I think could help with the Infernado situation is having a line of dust particles shoot down from the player to the ground when the spawning 'nado impacts you
rather than just having it burst and the tornado appears below

That could make it a lil more obvious that that's what the spawning nado is doing

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I think that slowing it down and making it higher contrast or something is also a very good idea

teal ibex
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ye i could mention telegraphing the actual relationship with the projectile

hallow kraken
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You know, the yharon sugs started appearing a lot ever since his velocity buff last update

hollow shell
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I think it's more a coincidence of playthrough timing

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Everybody started playin around the same time cuz of the rogue updates and people are getting to Yharon

teal ibex
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i'm of the less savory opinion that suggestion trends are a thing that extremely exist

split narwhal
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I was just fighting dmode yharon yesterday and subphase 3/4 seems to be all fast charges, really hard to avoid for my experience

hot wind
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For me, yharon is rlly Fun to fight

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Like Duke but orange

fluid mortar
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lets go, piggy terrarium hit 120

wary canyon
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^ this is what i like to see

ashen warren
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I’m also glad to see Betsy PTSD man in the chat so often

sand umbra
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Destroyer Demon Bones > Betsy PTSD

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that is all.

ashen warren
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That’s all folks

frosty dagger
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How do cross through text

radiant meadow
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isn't that kinda irrelevant to suggestions?

storm latch
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~~like this~~

frosty dagger
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test

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Thanks

storm latch
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np

ashen warren
frosty dagger
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those Yharon changes are the exact same thing I said earlier but from a player perspective and not a design perspective but it that also means it will have a higher chance of making it and since your a YouTuber more people will read and star it

foggy plover
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(i'd not strike through everything ye)

frosty dagger
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Slightly increase the time before and after Yharons dashes and slightly decrease the speed of the flare tornado projectiles. (You have to read the entire thing to truly understand why)

Most bosses you can beat just by kiting and dodging, this is the strategy that most people use to beat bosses, and it works well for basicly every boss. The game conditions you into doing this. You don't actually ever have to know the mechanics of a fight to win it, in fact, the only time you do is during no-hits and Yharon.

Yharons attackes actually aren't that hard to dodge once you know how. The dashes can be countered with a zigzag or triangle, and the flarenados can be dealt with by dragging them to the side or top of the arena and remembering where they are. Nothing else is really an issue, you can use minecart trackes to have infinate flight time, and RoD is a get out of jail free card. The reason most people struggle with Yharon is because they have to change their way of playing the game. Because you have to know these things or you get bodied and cornered. Most people simply haven't developed this type of skill and that is why Yharon is hard. People also perceive p2 as much easier because they have already learned these things so it's kind of a breeze.

Slightly increasing the time before and after dashes and slowing down the speed of the flare tornados a bit can give the player more breathing room. The fight would still be hard, but you wouldn't feel like you're dying for doing everything right.

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From yesterday

frosty dagger
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Hectique

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uncool

mighty knot
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@ashen warren you are aware there's a pet slot, right?

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...and that putting pets in that slot makes them be permanently spawned?

small talon
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........... its been there since 1.3.0.1 too

ashen warren
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Oh, there is? I didn't know, sorry.

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Suggestion deleted.

sand umbra
wary canyon
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I love that cat image

teal ibex
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then why didnt you post it, szeth...?

hollow shell
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His reasoning was too disassociated from his suggestion

hallow kraken
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see this is an important life lesson to discuss sugs here first

ashen warren
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I found a utility for Serpentine as a weapon to use, then use another weapon while serpentines continue to follow the cursor/ target to increase dps.
Usefulness, and inversely the validity of Ketamin’s arguement, is questionable, but it’s certainly a lot more fun/effective than using it on its own

frosty dagger
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I edited it a little at the end and posted itt

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Also I have came to the conclusion that you probably can't make an attack from bumblebirb teach dragging things away

sand umbra
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wanna bet?

frosty dagger
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There is to many things about Yharon that are to specific to add something about bumblebirb

hollow shell
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Fuck
Now Hec's suggestion is going to be the.. what, 5th Yharon suggestion?

frosty dagger
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If you can come up with something that would be awesome

sand umbra
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see I find this hilarious because I basically already have a Birb rework in mind that would do
quite literally just that

frosty dagger
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But I don't think you really can without makeing it Yharon 2

sly lily
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I was able to beat Yharon alone as summoner with a strategy, but I don't think it is an intended one

frosty dagger
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Really, I'm curious

sand umbra
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it wouldn't be nearly as hard as Yharon nor would it require the same sheer understanding
but it would end up teaching a lot of the concepts that need to be understood to be able to do well with Yharon

frosty dagger
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And what would it be

sly lily
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I literally spammed the Astrum Deus mount to go up and down, while having the longest mechworm possible so Yharon rammed into it

hollow shell
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The problem with your sugg, Szeth, is that you spend three sentences in the third 'paragraph' invalidating your own reasoning

frosty dagger
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Actually, no Yharon sugs will go through right now

hollow shell
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Or not invalidating
but
making it seem like less of an issue

sly lily
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thing is I went to space so I guess my worldgen was a bit high? he supposedly should've enraged

frosty dagger
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To many earlier

hollow shell
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The paragraph should go immediately into how the techniques you need to learn are counter to what you've been doing previously in the game

frosty dagger
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Yharon doesn't enraged in the sky

hollow shell
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rather than describing the technique for a while and then saying that it's counter

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He definitely used to get enraged in the sky
I don't know if he does currently

foggy plover
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I dont see why people target yharon for gameplay changing fights

frosty dagger
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I fought him before and didn't notice then

foggy plover
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dog requires you to bend to the main tactic way more than yharon

hollow shell
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I disagree

split narwhal
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I think fishron already does this to some extent

sly lily
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both multiplayer and single player I did that btw

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to test both

frosty dagger
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I'm hopping on the trend because I have always wondered why some think Yharon is harder than scal

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And I have recently figured out why

sly lily
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SCal is bullet hell and I am used to touhou

hollow shell
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I want to say Yharon is definitely harder than SCal but I cannot attest to that personally because I have yet to beat Yharon in my playthrough...

sly lily
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great boss btw

frosty dagger
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Dog is chill

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Scal is harder

sly lily
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DoG is just a worm

foggy plover
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dog is easy when you know exactly what to do and do it every time

sly lily
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with deadly laser walls

foggy plover
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theres no fibbing it

frosty dagger
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That's literally every fight

hollow shell
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Well he's saying like
you can't brute-force your way through DoG

foggy plover
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^ exactly

frosty dagger
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I have

hollow shell
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You gotta know what the sky colors mean and the behaviors associated with them

frosty dagger
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RoD is op

hollow shell
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etc

foggy plover
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I cant even imagine going into dog without knowing anything about it or seeing it before

frosty dagger
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I never pay attention to that

foggy plover
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I dont think most would figure it out without asking for help

frosty dagger
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I honestly never change the way I do the fight

sly lily
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you technically can brute force DoG, you can kite away imo, I didn't have any difficulty and the phases really... weren't much different to me. As summoner though

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I guess melee having to approach purple phase would be harder

frosty dagger
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I didn't even know he had an agressive and passive phase I just thought it was different debuffs

sly lily
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exactly

hollow shell
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I see...

frosty dagger
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Even after my nohit

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I only recently learned that

split narwhal
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DoG technically has only 2 different phases of attack, whilst yharon has much more subphases

sly lily
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reading the lore I kind of feel that DoG "dragging to dimension" should be felt a bit harder, really

hollow shell
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He can do the big funny teleport in Rev+ now

sly lily
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except the teleport just gives a weakness, it is more imo a good thing to force teleport when you have lost DoG's sight

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if the teleport also gave a debuff akin to Ravager/Providence no flights, that would be an actual penalty

frosty dagger
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Buff hardmode ore armors

Colbalt/palladium is a sidegrade to statigel and mythril/orchialdrum is barely an upgrade. Honestly there isn't a point to getting any of these four armors, and you only need adamite/titanium if you are having trouble with cryogen. They aren't worth your time especially because they are replaced immediately after cryogen.

foggy plover
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I think this has been suggested a lot of times before

split narwhal
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ye

sly lily
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or a mini-Tesla armor set made with those

frosty dagger
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It's not a frequently suggested sug and I don't remember seeing it

sly lily
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the 1st tier ore is specially abandoned both on normal and hard

frosty dagger
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But I wouldn't be surprised

split narwhal
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personally I think only the cobalt/mythril/adamantite needs a buff, they are much weaker to their newer counterparts

frosty dagger
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Now that I know this I'm just sticking to statigel till Daedelus

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These armors are honestly entirely pointless

sly lily
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it is what we did on both playthroughs, hardmode ore are just for pickaxe, anvil and forge....

split narwhal
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Dmode cryogen is really hard now imo

frosty dagger
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Ah

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Thanks

sly lily
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gave a star to that one, yep

keen geyser
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the item's power is not something you should be able to obtain pre-cultist

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if you think about it, it's post plant and you can kill plant pretty damn easily

gusty grail
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Yeah its like heart of elements in that

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Also two people writing a suggest at once is ech

hollow shell
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@charred agate Because it is a strong accessory

cobalt rose
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its just like how the amalgamated brain is locked to hardmode

quiet abyss
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^ and ^^ (also like how bloody worm scarf materials are pre-hm but it can only be crafted in hm)

keen geyser
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would this minion movespeed be a possible implementation?

mighty knot
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@ashen warren a lot of minions teleport anyway

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they rarely actually miss

hollow shell
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It would be technically possible but it'd be a huge hassle

mighty knot
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minion projectile movement speed maybe

ashen warren
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excuse me what

sly lily
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I don't think this is necessary as yes, most minions teleport later on

ashen warren
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my nuggets cant hit yharon at all when he is moving

mighty knot
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but most minions don't even shoot projectiles

sly lily
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I know, Yharon is a pain currently for summoner

ashen warren
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its either 5k dps or 250k when yharon is stationary

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😐

sly lily
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use the mechworm and jump up and down with the bean mount on last phase

ashen warren
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i was just giving an example

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not asking for help

sly lily
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for Moon Lord I also had a bit of problem there

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it kind of depends on the summon choice of the moment and how well they target

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tbf, we talked the other day when I made the suggestion of the Ethereal staff that perhaps summoner accessories/armors perhaps should get an increased speed of summoning things

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because it kind of is a pain to summon the lil army

keen geyser
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that's not really what the sugg is about

sly lily
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they want a unique stat for summoners

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aside of the minion count

keen geyser
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they want the minions to move faster

sly lily
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yes, but... is "minion velocity" an actual stat?

hollow shell
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It isn't

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We'd have to make it one

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Reprogram every minion to account for it

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Including vanilla ones...

keen geyser
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working with redcode poggers

sand umbra
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minion velocity multiplier is not normally a stat, no

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and I think reprogramming every vanilla minion to be actually intelligent use that sort of stat is

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not something even I want to do

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(never mind the fact it'd be incompatible with other mods even if we did add such a statistic)

ashen warren
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how is it even velocity here

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isnt it just speed

sand umbra
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that is what velocity is, yes

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velocity and speed here are the same thing, really

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there are differences if you really look at minion code but I don't wanna get into the boring shit

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tl;dr the speed of a minion is generally hardcoded within its AI

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the closest thing one could do would be to make an accessory that increases the number of extraUpdates a minion uses

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(for example, this is how the Magic Quiver works)

hollow shell
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Hm...

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extraUpdates...

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We'd be able to double/triple/quadruple the speeds of minions, but nothing lower or in-between, if we use those

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but that is a possibility

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or, I think it'd be double/x2.5/triple actually

fervent citrus
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Imagine herring flying at you at top speeds slobbyjoy

sand umbra
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it could be done

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(pretty sure one of Seraph's upcoming things is doing it actually, though you're better off asking him, not me)

that is not, however, to at all imply it would be practical

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it's...definitely something to balance against

fervent citrus
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Maybe it would be less effective with minions who already have high velocity

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Otherwise the stardust dragon would leave you, but faster this time HDfailure

potent veldt
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While I completely and wholeheartedly agree with this minion speed suggestion, I do have to mention that "velocity" isn't ranger specific

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If anything is ranger specific, it'd be ammo consumption, or just ammo in general

hollow idol
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what does that even mean

hollow shell
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@hazy marsh I mean
Lore items drop from every boss

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I understand the intention but like you're going to need to flesh the suggestion out a lot more than that

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Give a reason, explain what you mean, etc

wooden wedge
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ding dong ditch

hollow shell
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Give him a second

wooden wedge
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they're offline

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or they're just invisible

hollow shell
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@charred agate ding dong ditched. Didn't even go offline, just ignored the ping

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Just gotta
wait

cyan moth
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who the fuck is alice kensington

hollow shell
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Voice actress for SCal in Dokuro's video

charred agate
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Wha?

cyan moth
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who is alice kensington

hollow shell
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Voice actress for SCal in Dokuro's video

lost agate
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Who is al-

cyan moth
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who is DM Dokuro

charred agate
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Who is SCal?

lost agate
cyan moth
frank stratus
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Okay I thibk I know what this guy means (?) But I'm also somewhat confused still

cobalt rose
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voice acting does not belong in a terraria mod tbh

cyan moth
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^

lost agate
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Narrating lore mid game hoh boy

hollow shell
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@hazy marsh Remove that bit about Alice Kensington cuz it is unrelated to the rest of your suggestion

Also, give a reason why putting more emphasis on lore would be a good thing

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(I'm not implying that it's a bad thing, but I want you to articulate.)

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Also Small did you see my previous ping?

wooden wedge
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press the @ button in the top right corner to see your pings

hollow shell
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ye

wooden wedge
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or if mobile then next to your profile

hazy marsh
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@hollow shell after looking in the wiki, i relised that alot of bosses have lore thats not even in the game, like why plaguebringer golitith exists, or yahrons relitionship with Yharim

hollow shell
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Indeed.

wooden wedge
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yharim's planned

hollow shell
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If you could edit your suggestion to have a lot more explanation around that reasoning, that would be good

dusty stirrup
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You can kinda make out that first one by reading both Queen Bee and PBG lore items, the latter will be more in detail when Yharim's in the game

ashen warren
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what does it mean by put them into people's faces

keen geyser
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it's apparent

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like, very obvious

ashen warren
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o

hollow shell
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Manny if you could actually do something instead of nothing I would be very appreciative

dusty stirrup
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I'm pretty sure he won't look here until his next suggestion unless pinged

hollow shell
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Probably

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@hazy marsh Please.

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Like, actually do the thing, please

potent veldt
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Narration isn't the way to go, but I do agree that for something with a rich lore, Calamity doesn't really push it out to the player at all

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The most they do is Yharim's-Text-Messages, which are going to biased by nature and won't give the full story

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Like something I think would be interesting or cool is the player being rewarded for knowing the lore.

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This is just an example and I'm well aware it isn't possible, but something like how the underground desert used to be populated and had water at one point before drying up via Yharim's tantrums, and if the player watered it again something special would happen or whatever

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Nothing in-game would point to it at all, or even tell you to do it. You'd just have to figure it out yourself ||or just look at the wiki like everyone already does||

hollow shell
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We gotta do it like Dark Souls

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and have small tidbits of lore in literally every item tooltip

potent veldt
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Please dont

hollow shell
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(it'd be kinda cool)

keen geyser
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then once you get all the items in calamity, you can read the lore CompleteFailure

hollow shell
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Urchin Spear
"The weapon of choice among Amidias's knights"

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Lets you know
oh Amidias was a king and had a kingdom, with subjects

dusty stirrup
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Item tooltips like this would be the best way to go, plus would add a bit of uniqueness to each of them

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There's only a handful of weps that actually have lore tooltips rn

hollow shell
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Fuck it, I'll suggest it

deep seal
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That would be pretty sick

fervent citrus
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@ Manny Heffley wdym by 'puttin it more to the players face'?

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i think i got it wrongly taxevasion

hollow shell
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@empty geyser Suggesting that a specific subclass be made viable at all points in the game is a Don't

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As long as the class as a whole has viable options, there is no problem
Subclass-only runs are self-imposed challenges that Calamity does not need to remedy

empty geyser
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What I meant is that it suits a different playstyle. If you asked me, I wouldn't even call it summon. It feels more like mage to me.

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But I guess.

hollow shell
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Your bolded sentence coincides very directly with the Don't, so you should rewrite it

empty geyser
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Alright, I will.

hollow shell
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Asking for more sentries in general isn't a Don't, necessarily.

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so, the concept is fine

distant gyro
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stray to the centralized idea of the summoner class

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tbh

empty geyser
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I'd like to highlight the fact that minions are different than sentries in how you play.

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It isn't really about summoner.

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@hollow shell I edited it.

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How is that?

hollow shell
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Well it's not Don'ting anymore, so that's good

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s'kind of a weird statement now but I guess it works

empty geyser
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Long as it works, it's alright.

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That was kind of in the moment, too.

mystic cloak
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Is there such thing as necroing a suggestion?

keen geyser
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pretty sure that's fine

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as long as it's not been less than like 2 weeks

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iirc

mystic cloak
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I mainly just wanted to mention the clenta solutions recipe one again

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Flarewing one is probably already dead in the water stuck at like 80

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but the clentaminator solution one is one I would actually like to see succeed

keen geyser
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worst case scenario you'll get pinged in here telling you it's not a good thing

mystic cloak
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Alrighty

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Thank you for your time anyways lol

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I'mma head to sleep as its late. Have a good one lads

hollow shell
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Gnight, cya

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Aight
there we go

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(It's noteworthy that Braelor is never mentioned in-game, despite having dedicated lore on the forums and being mentioned in 3 other forum lores)

fervent citrus
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i would suggest adding a recipe for teh snow globe for frost legion, but i think people woud start pointing out that i can just change the time in my device :l

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whos braelor?

hollow shell
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exactly

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And nah people would sooner point out that there's nothing to be gained from the Frost Legion

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No loot.

keen geyser
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yeah

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it's a missed opportunity ngl

fervent citrus
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yea but boss checklist telling me thats what i have to do next post ml is kinda annoying taxevasion

hollow shell
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pf

fervent citrus
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im the weird type who wants everything ticked CirrusBreakdown

hollow idol
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isnt Braelor mentioned on the Tarra chestplate

hollow shell
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Nope
Each piece of Tarragon armor just vaguely hints at some unknown figure

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"Breastplate of the exiler"
"Leggings of a fabled explorer"
"Helm of the disciple of ancients"

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As far as I know,
Braelor didn't exile anybody
He wasn't much of an explorer
and I don't know what ancients he was learning from

fervent citrus
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ancients is probably permafrost

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right?

hollow shell
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Braelor didn't learn from Permafrost, no

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otherwise he too would be an ice boy

fervent citrus
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tru

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ight imma head to lore discussion

hollow shell
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Perma's mentioned nowhere in Braelor's lore
which, by the way

doesn't fuckin describe Braelor going up against Yharim's army, just some undefined other army that ruled before Yharim
even though Braelor is most well known as the guy who gave Yharim the most trouble with his homeboy Statis

fervent citrus
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statis is a ninja right?

hollow shell
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yea

fervent citrus
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the one in king slime? HDfailure

gusty geode
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"Mechanics that take effect when you're low on life are bad because you're not supposed to get hit"

fervent citrus
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^

ashen warren
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true

hollow shell
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The thing about Yharim's Insignia is that's not all it does

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It does grant a 5% melee damage boost at all times
When below 50% life, that's boosted up to 15%, which is as much as an Emblem (an accessory dedicated to doing nothing but damage boost)

on top of boosted melee speed, inflicting Holy Flames, having more immune time, etc etc

indigo fog
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So would the suggestion be unnecessarily buffing it? or is it still fine

hollow shell
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It would indeed be buffing it, yes
It's up to the testers whether the buff is too much, so I can't speak there

hollow shell
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Oh lordie that is a run-on sentence...

distant gyro
quiet abyss
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A fair suggestion, but hmm, could use a better sentence structure.

hollow shell
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Indeed

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@unborn mango You might wanna fix your reason a bit, it's all one big run-on sentence

indigo fog
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absolutely 0 punctuation

unborn mango
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Ok wot

worthy fiber
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We can't understand you

versed tundra
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Another sugg to make the alcohol debuffs buffs instead?
I'm thinking there might be a better way:
Add a consumable that removes all alcohol buffs and debuffs
The point is to let the player switch out of their "buffed for boss battle" state at will without having to die.
having a way to remove the effect of alcohol at will doesn't make sense, but having an (expensive?) item to do so almost does.

Alternatively, there could be a consumable that removes ALL timer based buffs and debuffs, so it excludes summons and critical ones like WoF's. It should not work on potion sickness (and maybe mana sickness?) too.

zealous ridge
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bucket of milk?

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in all seriousness, though

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i prefer there being just an alchohol "detox" if this were to be considered

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could be that an alcohol detox medicine could be used to remove any alcohol "debuffs", although there are some things to consider

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for instance the red wine is literally just a strong healing tonic with a penalty of reduced life regen

versed tundra
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What would it be called though? Blood Cleanser? Sobernizer3K™️? Hangover over?

zealous ridge
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probably don't need exact names lmao

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just call it an alcohol detox medicine or smth

versed tundra
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I know, but it's fun to think of one

zealous ridge
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true, but ill let you decide

versed tundra
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would it be sold, crafted? obtained at which point in the game?

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That I don't know

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it has to be in HM unless you want it to work on vanilla Ale

zealous ridge
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i feel it being crafted with like some herbs and maybe like a bucket of honey or smth idk would maybe be a decent sort of "home remedy"?

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with that recipe i feel like you kind of have to go a bit out of your way

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make farms for herbs, honey liquid generator

versed tundra
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true

frail mantle
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i mean all the potion would have to do is provide immunity to all buffs and debuffs for a moment

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iirc Potion Sickness is already hardcoded so that nothing provides immunity to it

gentle plinth
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that sober idea is good

gray nebula
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incredible reasoning peepodetective

worthy fiber
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Electrified is already painful enough as is don't you think

gray nebula
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first part makes sense but yea I don't see a need for a damage buff

worthy fiber
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Yeah the clarity reason is fine

ashen warren
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I can't see why not buff its damage. These are really very few enemies that deal this debuff, and buffing it would really make you think about how you move around during Martian Invasion. But that's just my opinion.

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Actually, once you come to think of it, it really is unneccesary. There are enough things to kill you during MI anyways.

worthy fiber
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Lightning

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Also it'll pretty much just stop you from moving at all

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So you can't be smart about movement if you can't move in the first place

frail mantle
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classless weapons exist

bitter drift
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and in PHM the one i remember existing is after BoC

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need nightmare pick

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or EoW depend on evil

frail mantle
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o yea

bitter drift
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so we still have a problem with that

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because the sunken see is post DS

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and i'm post EoC

hexed ore
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GRAMMAR 100

bitter drift
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yes i'm not British or American or Canadian or from down under m8 deal with it

hexed ore
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I didn't say it was bad, is just funny

bitter drift
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i think the context make it funny

fervent citrus
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Add a recipe for the snow globe
Nothing much, just a quality of life thing, i do know that one can just change the time in their device to fit the christmas season, however it still would be easier to just craft the snow globe or make it a rare drop from snow enemies.

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good enough?

versed tundra
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@bitter drift Writing a suggestion, your objective should be getting the point across, not writing a novel recounting the events that lead you to the idea. Especially if you aren't going to use any punctuation, making it hard to read and understand.

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Here is a suggestion for you: discuss your idea and it's formulation here before you post in #suggestions-voting

fervent citrus
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one has to know the backstory yknow HDfailure

distant gyro
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nothing is added to frost legion so idk why you would do that

versed tundra
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Maybe, but that shouldn't come first, take-up most of the sugg and make the whole thing hard to read in the process, luminite

zenith hazel
distant gyro
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if some other mod happens to add content for frost legion that mod should allow it to be summoned anytime in the first place

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(like fargo's)

worthy fiber
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Thorium's solution to the holiday content's pretty good

versed tundra
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Explaining the reasoning for a sugg IS important, but the right way to do it is not through backstory

worthy fiber
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The toggles make the seasonal accessories more accessible

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but bat hook darylsweating

versed tundra
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Hot take: the frost legion is the worst piece of content in the whole game.

tepid root
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random snow blocks in my house SirenCringe

versed tundra
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it leaves a mess

distant gyro
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banners and snow is currently what it gives

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yes

versed tundra
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it's not fun

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it has no point

distant gyro
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there's also santa but who enjoys the christmas spirit in terraria outside of actual christmas

versed tundra
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it's only use it to piss off your friends when you leave the server knowing they'll continue playing while you are gone

distant gyro
worthy fiber
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the best part is santa straight up dying after christmas

versed tundra
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"have fun with the snowmen, guys"

tepid root
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santa is a gamer, he respawns when its time

versed tundra
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Santa I don't mind

worthy fiber
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The christmas tree is neat

versed tundra
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Also, the presents rewards are much worse than haloween's bags

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Rotten eggs, super cool costumes, bat hook...

worthy fiber
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cat

tepid root
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bat hook taxevasion

frosty dagger
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@bitter drift
Laughs in pure summoner aquatic scourge and eiodan worm

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This is an issue

bitter drift
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yes

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so this why i want to fix suggest it

frosty dagger
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Yea, but it's not going to make it

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Unfortunately

frail mantle
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for pure summoners post-Evil Bosses the classless weapons exist

frosty dagger
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But what if you don't count that as pure summoner

frail mantle
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they don't reduce summon damage while held

frosty dagger
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Using a titanium pick on as is really acward

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Leon it's an opinion

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No amount of arguing can change it

frail mantle
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afaik their whole purpose is being support weapons for all classes, mostly so for Summoners

frosty dagger
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It's like arguing that your food is better than someone else

frail mantle
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i know it's an opinion

frosty dagger
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I like my own food

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Other people probably do as well

ashen warren
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It doesn’t seem hard to add an item that makes minions target an entity, and while classless weapons do exist to make passive enemies targetable, that doesn’t address the issue of summons not targeting what you want them to target

frosty dagger
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Mabey if you click an enimy your summons start targeting it

bitter drift
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@frosty dagger that kind of exit already
tho it got tons of problems

frosty dagger
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Sugg idea: the ability to have your summons target a enimy by clicking on them.

Trying to fight the aquatic scourge as pure summoner is quite difficult and means you are likely to get hit by the head segment. Starting fights with other similar entities like the giant clam is difficult to, because the summons don't target it. Also, sometimes summons just won't target an enimy nearby and you have to get really close and mabey get hit just to attack it

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Like what

bitter drift
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so we are complaining about the same thing in my most recant suggestion

frosty dagger
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Different solution, I'll save the sug for later

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Also, what I brought up was more broad

bitter drift
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also while i was hearing slime god's theme i can up with an idea in mind maybe you can rate it?

frosty dagger
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Eiodan worm summon

bitter drift
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a new slime god "wing" set: these wings are not wings they are a glider and this glider will be post slime god, it will slow your fall and won't give you a vertical/horizontal speed penalty for the cost of no flight time time and you being a bit slimy meaning you won't change directions immediately when you turn even in the air

(another benefit for this set is that it gives you a giant defense, rogue and throwing buff with the ninja armor and a small boost with the statigel set)

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no as i said i was talking about the slime god

frosty dagger
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So the umbrella

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Except as an accessory

bitter drift
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no an umbrella also hinders your mobility

zenith hazel
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so is this a set or a pair of wings

frosty dagger
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Why

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Would you want to use this

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So you can't even use wing with this

bitter drift
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it goes at the opposite direction of the aerolight wings where they give you flight for low vertical mobility
these give you no flight but you can keep your mobility making them combo with the BoB

frosty dagger
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I don't see how this isn't an umbrella but as wings

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Which makes it worse

zenith hazel
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so basically featherfall potions but as an accessory

frosty dagger
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That is a huge downside

zenith hazel
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yeah no, you’re better off using an acc slot for something else that directly boosts your damage instead of hindering your mobility

zealous ridge
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but it also grants arbitrary bonuses to rogues and throwers for some reason and it's post slime god for some reason and it makes you slimy for some reason

zenith hazel
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plus, statigel already gives you enough mobility

zealous ridge
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im confused, is the point im trying to make

frosty dagger
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Just, no

bitter drift
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@zenith hazel you said that like the only PHM wings we got don't hinder mobility

zenith hazel
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except that skyline wings are actually useful during the WoF fight, and actually worth an acc slot

zealous ridge
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well, is the slowfall permanent or activated by holding jump?

zenith hazel
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and besides this is just treading into specific item suggestion category at this point so no

zealous ridge
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because if its permanent i see no real reason to use it personally

bitter drift
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ya i was afraid of that

frosty dagger
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Your, glider, is random bonuses, random thing, and if honestly a accessory like determination breaker to less extent

zenith hazel
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then why did you even come up with it if you knew it was gonna be specific ech

frosty dagger
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This crippled your vertical mobility

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Why

bitter drift
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and retains your horizontal one
you know the side ways mobility (dumbest name of the sectary)

frosty dagger
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And

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Everything retains your horizontal one

bitter drift
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not really

frosty dagger
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This cripples your vertical

bitter drift
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the sky line wings are mobility blockers

frosty dagger
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Name two reasons why someone would want to use this

zenith hazel
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no they’re not, they actually give you more precise movement for WoF lasers

zealous ridge
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just asking but how exactly does it cripple your vertical movement

frosty dagger
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Better than BoB for wof

zenith hazel
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this is even more useful during death WoF, which spams lasers

tepid root
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how are wings mobility blockers

bitter drift
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have you ever tested the BoB with the sky line wings?

frosty dagger
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ech DoGTrauma yes

zenith hazel
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no because it’s a bad combo

bitter drift
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if you did you would know why i'm saying this

zenith hazel
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you’re better off using one over the other

tepid root
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^

zenith hazel
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using both would be wasting slots

frosty dagger
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No just use one

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With frog leg

bitter drift
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they destroy the BoB mobility
well this one works with BoB in mind

frosty dagger
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BRUH

zenith hazel
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it’s still wasting a slot

frosty dagger
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Use frog leg if you need more mobility

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It's not that deep

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You never need more than that

zenith hazel
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and fr, there’s no reason this discussion needs to go on any longer since this is basically a specific item suggestion that you’re trying to get at

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moving on

zealous ridge
tired haven
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unless you stock up on calcium pots using both is better than keeping a horse shoe but eh

frosty dagger
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Just jump before you hit the ground, I never use anything that removes fall damage till hardmode

tired haven
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I mean, there sure are a fair few ways to prevent fall damage (in fact I believe boots is enough for 80% of situations), but sometimes in boss fight you may forget about either

frosty dagger
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I don't have that issue because I build an arena but I can see why you would it you didnt

carmine spindle
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Small suggestion about the Stellar Contempt - make the lunar flares pass through blocks

tepid root
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That

carmine spindle
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u wot

zealous ridge
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oh my

carmine spindle
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Main reason I came up with this is because even when nearly half of an underground arena is offscreen, the flares spawn too high to actually hit whoever's inside

zealous ridge
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ye that's probably fair

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but im reading through umbrella's thing rn and its like woahh

carmine spindle
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Hm?

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Oh christ

zealous ridge
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idk it seems like quite an order

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also, umbrella, it may be prudent to mention that the damage bonus when holding like a pickaxe or something is being removed next update(?)

ashen warren
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Oh

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Didn't know, my bad.

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Allow me to fix my sug, then.

zealous ridge
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it only affects when holding summon weapons, yeah

ashen warren
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That's a relief, then.

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That was cheeky thing, to be honest.

zealous ridge
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idk how the sugg will be recieved, but i do like it

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its an interesting take on the whole summoner balance problem

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hard to say what devs will think about it

ashen warren
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Thanks, but I will try to re-invent it later

zealous ridge
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but CalPat

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yeah that's fine

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i would say try to cut down on the length and meandering within your suggestion, i try to keep things concise to give other people room and make it faster to get the point across

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but you dont have to edit rn or anything

ashen warren
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I see hellyes

carmine spindle
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So ye, repost incase anyone else wanna discuss this
Make the Stellar contempts lunar flares pass through walls

ashen warren
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Seems legit

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But, y'know, it's barely a post ML weapon.

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Maybe make it emit an explosion instead?

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Passing thorugh blocks seems more like post Poltergast thing.

zealous ridge
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eh

carmine spindle
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But the flares appear so far high

zealous ridge
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its more a convinence thing

carmine spindle
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Feels like 1.5x the screen hight

zealous ridge
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oh wait

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i was thinking stellar striker here'

ashen warren
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Oh wait, you were about flares it spawns

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lol i'm dumb

zealous ridge
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yeah the flares

ashen warren
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Then I'm all for it.

zealous ridge
#

doesnt the hammer already go through blocks though

carmine spindle
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Hm ,yeah

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But for some reason I feel like it's important to have raining on-hit projectiles pass through tiles

zealous ridge
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lunar flare itself already does so

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so i dont see why not

ashen warren
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I'm in, make a sugg @carmine spindle

sly lily
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Thanks for that sentry suggestion @empty geyser

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I really find baffling that we only have Energy Staff in all post moonlord... (the oblivion sentry is sadly not good)

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About the lore suggestion: would it be bad if we had a recipe to add the wiki lores to it? What I mean is using the weapons dropped to craft a sort of Book that gave us the Lore entries

carmine spindle
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I'm taking so long cuz I'm shit with wording lol

sly lily
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Getting the weapons would count as research let's say, and uses a magic book as material in a crystal book like if you scry'd the past with them

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Boss weapons for the boss lore, area drops for the place lore, some sets for people like Statis and Braelor

ashen warren
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Seems good for me, actually 😄

sly lily
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Agree with Meme

carmine spindle
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First time I put up a suggestion

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last time was when I accidently press + and enter

zealous ridge
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Change the functionality of the SDFMG for the sake of differentiating it from the very similar Seadragon

Why go through the effort of doing this?
Although not unbalanced for its tier, the SDFMG is functionally near identical to the Seadragon, a weapon added in a later update but sharing almost all of its properties (high rate of fire, chance to fire homing rockets, same chance to not consume ammo)

I think a great way to rework this weapon would be altering the fishron rockets, such as making them fire harmlessly behind the player and, after waiting a second, have them shoot towards the cursor. This would make for a more interesting weapon (although it is just an example and devs are free to change it to their liking) and help delineate it from the Seadragon.

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how does this look...?

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i can lay off the example, if so desired

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but i just loved the idea of shooting a stream of bullets and bubble micro-rockets just shooting at your enemies

distant gyro
#

I still don't really like SDFMG ngl

zealous ridge
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yeah lmao

distant gyro
#

but then there's also minigun

zealous ridge
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was thinking about suggesting something bout that too

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but that feels like a different topic

sand umbra
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SDFMG is really just Seadragon 1.5

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not really impressive for a weapon locked to Expert+

hallow kraken
#

Can we also talk about how SDFMG and minigun have barely any difference but are at the same tier?

sand umbra
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that too

zealous ridge
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so does the sugg sound nice?

hollow shell
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@bitter drift I'm late, but this is kind of exactly the shit Mrrp's pin is talking about:
so i just defeated the worm that want me for lunch got down to the see below to kill a giant clam i though was a chest and asked my self what more do i need oh wait the jelly and as i approach the electrifying blob i ask my self why my summoner don't attack realizing that the thing that game me water breathing made every enemy in these darn deep deps passive aggressive aka it can hurt me but my minion won't attack it until i do.

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Get to the point, please

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You don't need any of this story fluff

zealous ridge
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i agree

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umbrella also has some of that meandering in his recent summon suggestion

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but it has more of a purpose than the monologuing found in adir's sugg

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and ey rover

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how does the sdfmg sugg look

hollow shell
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Yeah sounds good

zealous ridge
dusty stirrup
#

tbh just use these to aggro them https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Marked_Magnum

Calamity Mod Wiki

Not to be confused with the Magnum.The Marked Magnum is a Pre-Hardmode classless weapon which shoots pink bullet-like projectiles, which get their damage multiplied by damage bonuses from all classes. The projectile inflicts the Marked debuff to enemies, which reduces enemy da...

zealous ridge
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he did mention that you need the evil pickaxe to use any of the classless weapons i believe

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and his example was post-EoC

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but i agree its mostly a non issue after the first evil boss

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smh just get reaver shark

dusty stirrup
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I don't see mention of that anywhere

zealous ridge
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yeah not in the sugg

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just in sugg discussion

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so that couldve been included

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even though its already really long

dusty stirrup
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Also you don't really need to aggro any creatures/ghost bell except giant clam before you get evil pickaxe and both those things don't move on a horizontal axis so Idontgetit

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Just hit them once with a pickaxe no problem and they're aggroed

zealous ridge
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theres like literally 3 things that come to mind maybe, and theyre big maybes

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giant clam, cysts, and ghost bells

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cysts arent even on the intended progression path

dusty stirrup
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You'll have evil pickaxe by the time you kill a cyst tbh

zealous ridge
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yeah exactly

dusty stirrup
#

Still really weird cysts spawn right after the other evil biome boss

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but right now HM is quite a bit crowded too

zealous ridge
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yeah i can agree with that somewhat

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its hard to really put them anywhere else

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anyways i think im ready to post that SDFMG sugg

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if there be something wrong just ask here

ashen warren
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Glitch report: Calamitas’ brothers are blocked by the Tesla potion

zealous ridge
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uh,,...,,

ashen warren
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I know some things have been reported here and fixed, so I figured I’d ask here. But yea I can ask there too

zealous ridge
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yeah, most of those are just accidental misinterpretations of mechanics that are really just oversights

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so bugs is the best place to start

hollow shell
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Stuff that kinda ride the line, ones that're prolly just oversights, get reported n' fixed here usually

Stuff that's straight up bugs n glitches ought to go in their dedicated channel

radiant meadow
#

@empty geyser what is the point in mentioning a squirrel?

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It isn't even in the public update yet

hollow shell
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(I'm also not sure why he mentioned it there)

empty geyser
#

I just wanted to mention the fact that there will be a pre-boss sentry, but it won’t hold up to OOA.

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I can remove it if you want.

dusty stirrup
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What makes you assume it's a sentry

empty geyser
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There. It’s gone.

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Oh, I saw it in the other server.

radiant meadow
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Then you're wrong

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It isn't a sentry

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That is my official dev declaration

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Anyone who thought it was a sentry made an incorrect assumption

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A good idea is to not make assumptions regarding future content

empty geyser
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And I removed that assumption now.

radiant meadow
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There's a good chance you will be wrong

ashen warren
#

I just noticed how similar the Burning Sea is to the Brimstone Flameblaster

hollow shell
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Lil bit yeah

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Flameblaster has more effective fireballs but Burning Sea has the water interaction

ashen warren
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Which is quite specific

sly lily
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Got hyped for sentries. Only made me star that suggestion more

wooden wedge
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@hazy marsh what do you mean by "spareable"?

hazy marsh
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you can spare

versed tundra
#

I guess he means having a way to beat Leviathan without killing a sirren?

hazy marsh
#

no both

wooden wedge
#

what?

hazy marsh
#

yes

versed tundra
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What does sparing mean in Terraria? run away from the bossfight?

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you can just teleport elsewhere...

gray nebula
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calamity undertal,;;

ashen warren
stray wren
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I thought suggestions were supposed to have reasoning behind it,not just "spare siren because I wanna"

gray nebula
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but plss I want my waifu

ashen warren
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They are

gray nebula
radiant meadow
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Can we get rid of any spare the boss mechanics?

stray wren
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We all want her as a waifu iban PensiveCore

radiant meadow
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like add it to don'ts or something

versed tundra
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Why spare the waifu when you can BECOME the waifu with Siren Heart?

wooden wedge
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what does sparing even mean?

stray wren
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That u dont kill the boss,but get rewards ig

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Similar to undertale

hallow kraken
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Actually what is this suggestion

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Literally one sentence long

stray wren
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Wheres the love for the leviathan smh,shes also a beautiful waifu

hallow kraken
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three words long

stray wren
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Albeit huge

hazy marsh
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SirenAwe 🎵 🎵 🎵 🎵 🎵 🎵 🎵 🙉 look i made the fight

hallow kraken
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How does that relate to what we’re talking about

hazy marsh
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idk

hollow shell
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Manny you really need to make your suggestions a lot bigger than that
You need to provide reasoning and explain what you mean

hazy marsh
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ok

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heh if i flood the desert and place coral then i can make desert scourge happy

wooden wedge
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what?

hallow kraken
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Please take this channel seriously.

hazy marsh
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ok

versed tundra
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Manny, out of curiosity... Are you even old enough to use Discord?

hollow shell
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lol

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This is a good question

stray wren
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A question asked since the dawn of time

hazy marsh
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@versed tundra im 13

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lol

hallow kraken
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barely

hazy marsh
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you are kinda right

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i turned 13 in december

hallow kraken
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explains a lot

hazy marsh
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i had mine since i was 12

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used it to talk to freinds

stray wren
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Uh oh

hazy marsh
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main reason i joined was to ask fab if i could make a book off all the lore

hollow shell
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aight cool now that we've got that cleared up
Edit your suggestion

hazy marsh
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ok

wooden wedge
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how would it go more into the lore of the game?

hazy marsh
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well

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maybe after you spare them somehow it would give you more lore?

dusty stirrup
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So where's the reasoning

stray wren
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Oh my

hazy marsh
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oop math teacher is coming

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i have saterday school

stray wren
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The what

hazy marsh
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hold on switching back to khan

stray wren
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Why are u doing this in school

teal ibex
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this is incredible

dusty stirrup
hallow kraken
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yes

versed tundra
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saturday school
It's sunday though

hallow kraken
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Timezones

hazy marsh
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i meant sunday

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lol

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yeah im in ca

teal ibex
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there is no timezone in which it is currently saturday, fun fact

hallow kraken
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I am dumb

hazy marsh
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my dad said it would help with my grades

dusty stirrup
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Next time you make a suggestion, do it when you're actually availible so you can edit it when needed

hazy marsh
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ok

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sorry

stray wren
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And uh.....an acc reason pls LeviKek

versed tundra
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Ok, Manny... this is no place to discuss yo life in details: #general-talk is the place for that kind of stuff

hazy marsh
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i can add in a death mode one and explain it

dusty stirrup
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No

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Add reasoning to your current one

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Unless you want it removed

hazy marsh
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yeah remove it

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wasnt very good idea

stray wren
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If you are gonna make a suggestion pls do it when ur not in school

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It gives you more time to think for it

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And edit

hazy marsh
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im going off 3.5 hours of sleep

dusty stirrup
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I literally just said that Sael

stray wren
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Oop,well looks like I need school LeviKek

hazy marsh
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break is in 2 minuites

gray nebula
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yet another incredible reasoning by manny

zealous ridge
indigo fog
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So what exactly happens when you go into the tear?

zealous ridge
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id say its better

hazy marsh
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you would get hurt alot

zealous ridge
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im imagining it like the ceaseless void pull

hazy marsh
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idk

stray wren
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Maybe it would function like the eidolon wyrm?

gray nebula
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but why

indigo fog
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im imagining it like the ceaseless void pull
god that would be bad with his instakill head

hazy marsh
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because he TEARS through it

stray wren
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Itd be nice if it would be to punish people who travel too far away from the fight

hazy marsh
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how could you

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DOG is like sanic

gray nebula
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but why

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ok he tears through it

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but why should it succ

indigo fog
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So you just take damage when you get sucked in?

ashen warren
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I think it would be cool that if in death mode, it would be cool if it would be cool if it would be cool if it would be cool

gray nebula
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there's no reason to make the fight any harder than it already is

stray wren
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Agreed

hazy marsh
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dog is a bit easy in death mode

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especily with rod of discord

gray nebula
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tell that to the iinstakill head wegud

stray wren
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The what now

indigo fog
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laser walls teleports and his instakill head is enough

hazy marsh
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also fun fact rod of discord is ROD

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Rod

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Of

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Discord

indigo fog
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ok?

gray nebula
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wacky and uncharacteristic

mighty mica
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🤯

hazy marsh
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maybe master mode will have it

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for 1.4

dusty stirrup
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What does this have to do with you sugmas

indigo fog
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I believe the focus was put more onto dodging DoG himself instead of projectiles when he got changed in 1.4.2.105 to be a lot faster and dangerous, but i may be wrong about that

dusty stirrup
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It was

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and DoG's doesn't need more AI changes rn

indigo fog
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Thats why i think teleporting and laser walls are enough

dusty stirrup
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Indeed

hazy marsh
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why do people only use DoG's theme when doing montages? yahrons phase 1 rebirth and murder swarm are good options too

hallow kraken
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Please

gray nebula
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what does this have to do with your sugmas

dusty stirrup
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All I see in this suggestion is how it would be epic and funny, but nothing about the actual gameplay and how it would affect it

hazy marsh
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whats a sugma

gray nebula
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suggestion

hazy marsh
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oh

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my 7th grade mind could not comprehend that\

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(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

gray nebula
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add epic:

why : because it cool!

dusty stirrup
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It would also be nice if you could stay in focus when you're talking to people instead of going off tangeant all the time

hazy marsh
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ok

indigo fog
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Honestly this on top of everything that's in his last phase already and with how fast he is, it just sounds like a mess. It sounds legit unfair how much there would be and how much you have to be aware of

hazy marsh
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maybe it could be for people who try to chesse it?

gray nebula
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what

dusty stirrup
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What would be the trigger/cheese for it to activate

hazy marsh
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nurse, instakill methods

gray nebula
indigo fog
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I think you need a stronger reason than "it would be cool" or "more challenging"

wooden wedge
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you can't use nurse in death mode though

gray nebula
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nurse cheesing is already fixed

hazy marsh
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good point

dusty stirrup
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instakill already doesn't work on dog

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next

hazy marsh
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ok

gray nebula
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and also YOU CAN'T BUTCHER A GOD yes

hazy marsh
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SirenAwe 🔫 sorry siren

indigo fog
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but you can butcher provi and ml

hallow kraken
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God

wooden wedge
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what does that have to do with anything

dusty stirrup
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This has nothing to do with the suggestion

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I already told you to stay focused

woeful ginkgo
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Dear god why so many people likes to meme on this channel?

hazy marsh
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hold on

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lunch ends soon

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i need to start eating

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seeya

foggy plover
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lemon juice, are you referring to the rogue healing effect?

hallow kraken
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Finally, we can talk about the good suggestions recently

hazy marsh
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mine was good

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but ok

foggy plover
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if so by then you have around 100 crit chance, are probably using valediction, and you are fighting a worm boss

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you get plenty enough healing

indigo fog
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How good do you guys think the KO cannon is with calamity's 2x damage buff to it? I need to know for a suggestion im making

woeful ginkgo
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And there's like so many suggestion about nerfing yharon too even tho I assume it's on d-mode

wooden wedge
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i thought the nerf yharon sugs were on rev and phase 1 though

woeful ginkgo
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I can actually make a good one because I have a decent experience on what's bs with yharon on p1

stray wren
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i honestly dont see the appeal for nerfing yharon,hes the last boss (not counting superbosses like scal) hes supposed to be very hard

woeful ginkgo
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Actually I think I should make one

foggy plover
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I think bosses only really need to be changed when theres an overall problem with them, or if everyone is inherently having problems killing it

hallow kraken
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The problem with yharon is he’s a faster fishron with a bigger hitbox

stray wren
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yes?so?

foggy plover
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hes a bit different than duke but ok

hallow kraken
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His charges are similar to duke

woeful ginkgo
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thing is that my experience comes from no hitting unfortunately which means that I can't judge if he hits hard or not while having silva armor

stray wren
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if u wish to simplify it like that then i can say that scal is like an amalgamation of the twins

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not the case

foggy plover
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he doesnt hit hard if you dont get hit consecutively and are using cotbg

hallow kraken
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But comparing scal to twins is different from comparing duke to yharon

woeful ginkgo
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what about the nados? those one are projectiles

hallow kraken
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Yharon charges in a similar manner to fishron

woeful ginkgo
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cotbg is based on contact damage

stray wren
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yes yes ik,but you should be able to predict where yharon is gonna rush after a while

hollow shell
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@lusty axle Half health is actually not a restriction for the effect.

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I don't know where you got that from

tired haven
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Probably looks very similar to generic lifesteal cap

hollow shell
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Yeah it doesn't bypass the cooldown, so he's probably accidentally misleading himself

lusty axle
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@hollow shell This comes from experience

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I’ve fought 6 ravengers with Bloodflare armor and in every one of them healing is impossible above 50%

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@foggy plover then it should be removed then

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It’s a completely worthless part of the armor set

hollow shell
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I don't know what to tell you, man
I've got the source code right here and nothing is checking for the player's current life

lusty axle
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Damn something must be messing it up. Still, even if the life steal worked 100% of the time, it wouldn’t add much to your overall health gaining capability.

hollow shell
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That's fair
None of the bloodstone equipment offers very substantial healing

tired haven
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(and they are the only balanced lifesteal due to that)

hollow shell
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perhaps

frosty dagger
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While I don't doubt your understanding of Yharon, no Yharon sugs will go through now you should wait a bit @woeful ginkgo

woeful ginkgo
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i'll wait until the next update comes out

frosty dagger
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That's next year

woeful ginkgo
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next year? what? are you talking about 1.4?

frosty dagger
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I mean the next update with any size

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For calamity

teal ibex
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waiting for an update to come out would be inadvisable

woeful ginkgo
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i'm kind of confused rn sorry lol

frosty dagger
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I'd wait a couple weeks

teal ibex
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since you're restricting yourself to the beginning of a development cycle, where devs may be completely out of commission for the time being

woeful ginkgo
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ah ok I see now

frosty dagger
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Exactly

teal ibex
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wdym exactly

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unless you changed your mind i'm saying you shouldn't wait until updates drop lol

frosty dagger
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I was about to say what you were

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We were talking about solo making a Yharon sug

mystic cloak
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As I see it with the bloodstone armor, it is to counteract the fact that lifesteal WAS broken as fuck.

woeful ginkgo
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i'm no hitting yharon rn, i'll make the suggestion after i'll be tired with this boss

mystic cloak
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And although it isn't on the Lifesteal CD, it is balanced in a way that allows it to still in some extent be useful, but not overly strong. Life means a lot in terraria

frosty dagger
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Are you using defiled

woeful ginkgo
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only arma rev

frosty dagger
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If you are use Fabsol, the mount

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Oh ok

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It's a burst battle unless they changed it

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Phase one or two

woeful ginkgo
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phase 1 since I got used to it

pulsar jay
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oh crab bar is in this discord neat.

woeful ginkgo
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I can no hit p1 all day if I want to

frosty dagger
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You should be able to close it with on adren

pulsar jay
#

anyway, who else thinks plantation staff should have it's recipe changed

woeful ginkgo
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I need 2 adrens since i'm using gs of blah for this boss

frosty dagger
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If at the right time Yharon goes pop

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But the last phase is really acward

hollow shell
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I didn't know Heartreach attracted the orbs

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that's pretty cool if true

woeful ginkgo
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anyway sorry for being a mini-mod but I think this should go into calamity talk channel tbh

frosty dagger
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Yea

pulsar jay
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it is, but heartreach potions aren't exactly the easiest potion to craft

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fishing isn't what everyone likes to do

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and it's crimson exclusive to craft so..

zealous ridge
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Technically blood orbs but

pulsar jay
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blood moons 😔

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also you need 10 to make one

karmic stone
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Corruption worlds can't even obtain them unless they use blood orbs or get lucky and find them in a chest or pot
Evil Island

hollow shell
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Utilizing the Evil Island is a bit of a hassle

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cuz you gotta remove blocks from the island and place them in the world, and wait for a crimson to grow

sand umbra
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tbf if I have to use a potion to make an accessory viable

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why am I getting the accessory in the first place, except as a material (that it doesn't even need to be in Rare Elemental in a Bottle's case)

karmic stone
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You can terraform the island and make it a lake right there

tired haven
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(which I still see no reason to change but at least makes sense)

hollow shell
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He mentions that 50% chance too

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He also believes there's a life restriction

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There isn't

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You wanna proofread that a bit, Hadari?

tired haven
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🤷‍♀️

mighty knot
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@manic yew summoner has spider

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and rogue armor is being brought to devs already

cyan lagoon
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op wrote the above thing

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so it is rather redundant, and plus it's not an ore set

hallow kraken
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Summoner needs pre-plant post-mech armor

hollow shell
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Dear god a resprite suggestion
I've only heard of these in legends

indigo fog
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Is there a way to give it a different colored glow with the spelunker effect?

hallow hatch
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nah

teal ibex
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so the counterpoint is that if you're looking for cryonic you should disable spelunker since cryonic naturally glows

radiant meadow
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no

teal ibex
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and if you're looking for aerialite you should avoid the ice biome due to the similarities (and because it's the big bad anyway)

radiant meadow
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also

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be glad it's not like old perennial ore

hallow hatch
unkempt bolt
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when cryonic ore is in the world, i doubt aerialite is something you need much of anymore

radiant meadow
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perennial ore used to be the spitting image of adamantite

unkempt bolt
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but didn't know about the natural glow, thanks

teal ibex
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ye it's pretty helpful

ashen warren
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Delivery has become quite rare. Suppose the purpose was achieved

hollow shell
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Nah these are just the ones I've delivered

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Plenty more than these got sent

radiant meadow
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Fab specifically didn't want Brimmy to unlock Charred ore

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so no

hollow shell
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@flat ermine What do you mean "Not sharing it with prime"?

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Also what, really?

radiant meadow
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they both drop souls of fright

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to make pickaxe axe

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to mine charred ore

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ye, I brought it up the other day

hollow shell
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Yeah but that doesn't have to do with Brimmy and Charred Ore specifically

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and, shit
That sucks

radiant meadow
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he didn't like the idea of two bosses so close to each other unlocking a new ore