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#suggestions-discussion
tired haven
There is a choice between instant FoV switch (which isn't as pleasant as it sounds), throwing camera throughout half the world in a few frames or the current blackout
ashen warren
I mean to be fair u cant even do that legitly
teal ibex
i mean, you might be able to do it with ropescan, but i'm not sure if the same effect occurs
trim sedge
review my suggestion and requticked the living thing out of me
teal ibex
i'm gonna need a definition for requticked real fast
wary canyon
i know next to nothing about rogue but i can say for sure that invis potion has been useful 0% of the time in any of my runs
trim sedge
4AC invis pot basically depending on the type of rouge weapon adds 10% damage or velocity to it
slim crag
adds 10% damage to boomerangs, 5 armor penetraion to javelins, 10% velocity to bombs, 10% crit chance to spiky balls and 20% stealth regen (even while moving) when holding daggers
all right, I guess
trim sedge
i feel like the invis pot is hard to use because u can't see your character and i gave some ideas to how to make it less annoying to use
indigo fog
Tesla potion kinda gets around that, but it would be nice to actually see the character
slim crag
Yea, I can see your point. Even though the character is usually always on the same spot in the screen, having to constantly look around for the boss and projectiles probably make it harder
trim sedge
izzy i see how tesla cancels out invis, but tesla covers in a big area then your character
shell lynx
What if there was a limit to how far the rod could take you?
Maybe it’s too rare to matter, but with 2 monitors I can do a rather funky thing where I teleport like 2 screens by putting my mouse on the other monitor
Actually now that I think about it it really doesn’t affect much.
frosty dagger
Also, then you would try to teleport somewhere, but would end up short. A feel bad moment that you can't do much about
shell lynx
The vision I had of it was just making it so you can’t teleport to locations you can’t even see
polar dock
Who tf uses invisible potions for dog
frail mantle
people who play Rogue
indigo fog
wait a second
why is this even an issue
you can literally just use your weapon to become visible again
trim sedge
its not working with me
trim sedge
indigo fog
I don't understand
keen geyser
i dont even see what is going on in this picture there is so much shit
indigo fog
Is that mourningstar?
trim sedge
infernal spear
indigo fog
that was my second guess
This has to be a bug or something
are you using any other mods that might affect the buff?
trim sedge
idk
indigo fog
Try it without any other mods and see if it works
Otherwise i have no idea what's keeping you invisible
gusty geode
So
Question someone asked in #calamity-mod-talk gave me an idea for a potential alternative way to get Uelibloom
What if it could spread like Chlorophyte does
indigo fog
That may be kinda hard to code in, but that would be neat
I'm not sure how hard it would be to fully implement
gusty geode
Wouldn't it just be the same as anything else spreading
They've actually done it once before with Tenebris
indigo fog
They did?
gusty geode
Yeah
Apparently it spreads to Planty Mush
wide flicker
I remember once making a tenebris farm way over a year ago
hollow shell
Spreading Uelibloom could be neat but it wouldn't be very useful
Well, I say that
but they do craft a good amount of items
indigo fog
I always take a long time to get uelibloom
but we could just make it less rare to solve that issue
ashen warren
The only thing is, it needs time to spread before the player actually needs it.
Perhaps spawning it after the Moon Lord, but making all lunar picks require Divine Geodes (which I doubt would be accepted, but I can still say it ig)
indigo fog
Divine Geodes would be a weird material for those pickaxes
ashen warren
True, and so would basically any other Post Provi mat. Which I’m guessing is the only reason this isn’t a thing.
left crest
but solar pickaxe 
sand umbra
solar fragments
ashen warren
shrug
It semantically doesn’t make sense, which is why I’m not formatting a legit sugg here
I’m just throwing out ideas for how this could work
sand umbra
I mean
you could always
and I know this sounds really crazy
have a new Divine Geode pickaxe
indigo fog
Wouldn't blossom pickaxe be close to an instant upgrade
or it would be pretty pointless
ashen warren
True. The whole thing is quite an issue with they way it’s set up
Why not just increase how much Uelibloom spawns
sand umbra
Wouldn't blossom pickaxe be close to an instant upgrade
or it would be pretty pointless
I mean, there are several tool sets that strictly progression-wise don't need to exist
they do anyway
and you can always give those later-game picks a smoother transition through pickaxe power, maybe make Auric Ore require a post-Provi pick or better
something that really bothers me is how vanilla picks go from 100% pickaxe power to 190% pickaxe power in as little as 3 seconds depending on whether or not you fish
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ashen warren
^^^^^^^
queen sail
Bigger question
ashen warren
True, but I mean theoretically defense does the same with enough Titanium. Molten Armor is, what, 28?
Titanium melee is at least 50
queen sail
Why do all lunar pickaxes exist in calamity to be gallant pickaxe fodder
queen sail
Was it changed recently
ashen warren
It’s in the current version of Calamity
indigo fog
You can just suggest to make lime kelp more common
radiant meadow
why should we add it?
this sounds kinda obscure for something for Calamity to add
hallow kraken
Especially for a vanity item
tired haven
Minimap to the rescue: green dot is easily located in any water
tepid root
i mean calamity doesnt use lime dye for anything
or lime kelp itself
so this makes no sense for calamity to add of all things
tired haven
Indeed
gusty grail
Maybe ask thorium or something idk
hallow kraken
no
tepid root
this isnt even a thorium thing to do either lol
prolly like imksushi or some shit i dunno
mortal bridge
After some thought, I am feeling a bit embarrassed by my suggestion now...
mighty knot
hexed ore
I mean, when he dashes at you at almost 100 mph it's a bit retarded
toxic kettle
it's called predicting
tepid root
also this was literally just suggested yesterday kek https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/680088176005611618
toxic kettle
you gotta know when he dashes at you quickly and move accordingly, though the tornadoes do make it pretty hard sometimes
hexed ore
The tornadoes are way too big
indigo fog
"Dying in 3 shots"
I've literally never died to yharon in 3 hits ever
teal ibex
can we make some rules regarding boss balance suggestions about using blanket terms like "unfair" and "unavoidable" instead of more descriptive stuff? i see it nearly every time it comes up
plucky matrix
Especially when that's just not the case and it definitely is avoidable
teal ibex
and then there needs to be like half hour long convos to locate the actual issue
sly lily
I am not against Yharon's fight, just the last phase
teal ibex
we've identifies that the big flame tornados are unintuitive to those unfamiliar to the fight and either should be nerfed or made much easier/more obvious to manipulate through positioning
sly lily
predicting what he's going to do when you may twitch and change Yharon's AI reaction for a 0.2 sec input is... bad
teal ibex
the dashes are hard but consistent, you honestly just have to get used to them
hexed ore
Whatever, I just think it's retarded
tepid root
sly lily
also summons against that last phase is just Impossible
because they lose target and don't react at all
so at least it should be changed to be targetable a bit more time
teal ibex
kindle staff should def keep up with it
teal ibex
oh you mean end of phase 1
sly lily
yes
vital marlin
is the yharon first phase suggestion just copypasta because im pretty sure I've read that before
teal ibex
ye it's very rude for summoners
sly lily
that's what I mean
Yharon is a GOOD boss
but the last phase really needs that fix because a class is just unviable
subtle jacinth
anyone has issues with apotheosis too?
sly lily
I need to use Fearmonger and shoot it in the face
teal ibex
its not a copypasta but this is the fourth yharon suggestion in the last few days
tepid root
whats wrong with apotheosis
subtle jacinth
if you start casting alot the fps and lags comes hard
teal ibex
suggestion trends are very real
hallow kraken
I mean hey
sly lily
which makes God Slayer armor useless
indigo fog
I never have lag issues with apoth
subtle jacinth
i have a good computer
hallow kraken
To be honest, yharon’s velocity buff last update is uh
subtle jacinth
but if i cast apotheosis nonstop
subtle jacinth
its a hell of fps issue
sly lily
I would make a suggestion centered on that phase only and upgrading the summon targeting.... but it isn't allowed
I also made a polterghast summon staff suggestion already so yeah : (
frank iris
Is there a way to disable the starter bag from calamity? And also the other revengence
hallow kraken
trash it
indigo fog
just trash it
sly lily
throw it in the trash
frank iris
No like not to start off with it
sly lily
just trash it? XD
hallow kraken
trash
sly lily
OH
hallow kraken
That’s a problem
frank iris
Yeah
indigo fog
I believe it has been suggested before, but im not sure
sly lily
perhaps a config option¿
frank iris
Bismuth and kRPG in specific dont give me their starter items so i cant choose a class and i cant have a starting spell
toxic kettle
Calamity adds worldgen
hollow shell
Gen world with Calamity
disable Calamity
create new char with those rpg mods
enable Calamity
enter world
teal ibex
yo rover didya see me complain a little bit above
frank iris
Ok will do
sly lily
still
hollow shell
I didn't
teal ibex
curious your thoughts since it's been kind of taxing to see the incredibly unspecific boss balance suggestions lately
sly lily
yeah even if we suggest a workaround, having a config option for the gift of the bag would be great to improve compatibility
hollow shell
Well Bongos does give specific things to be nerfed
- too much contact damage and 'nado damage
- Yharon's dash speeds are too high
sly lily
what I suggest is that Yharon in last phase shouldn't do contact damage unless charging and after charge, much like the other nados and projectiles, and wait for the charge 0.2 or so seconds more
teal ibex
i suppose, i still feel like the language in that post is needlessly generalized (like many before it)
hollow shell
Removing contact damage outside of charges wouldn't fix anything
99% of the times he deals contact damage its during a charge
bronze abyss
sly lily
when the snap happy lil Phantoms can't even attack Yharon's last phase, something's wrong
hollow shell
I hope one of the Yharon suggs get delivered
teal ibex
i mean i could write a more particular yharon suggestion when i'm not in bed
all the current ones have good ideas that are worded... emotionally
ashen warren
most suggestions are
very few people actually take the time out to collect empirical data
teal ibex
i mean even disregarding evidence, the language is just unproductive as well
hollow shell
The data is that they played the entire game and then got bodied by Yharon
sly lily
I would have worded my suggestion about the Ethereal staff better if I had known I should've discussed first here xD
ashen warren
staying neutral makes it more convincing to me
frank iris
Ok yep that defintly fixed for the most part. Making a calamity world but disabling it for character. Now i got the krpg items but not the bismuth item. I have to disable the split mod and elements awoken also since their starter items get in the way. Thanks for that simple fix but i feel like disabling starter bag and revengence item is a good suggestion still.
ashen warren
that isn't real data, but whatever
sly lily
@frank iris mixing mods kiiiinda makes a mess yeah
hollow shell
It's their anecdotal evidence
teal ibex
but yeah i'll probably just write a yharon suggestion tomorrow compiling the issues people have and hopefully word it in a way that actually obtains stars
sly lily
well, at least people can agree that minions just CAN'T hit Yharon
teal ibex
if only anecdotal evidence was strong, the world would be so much ezpzier
sly lily
emotional or not, that raw data is... true xD
ashen warren
my issue with yharon will always be that second phase is decidedly easier than first phase
sly lily
unless that minion is the one that Yharon gives lol
ashen warren
It's been this way since the whole 2 phase darksun thing happened
sly lily
wait, 2nd phase is easier?
but I guess the power boost improves that
if only the summon wasn't a drop from him <.<
ashen warren
it would be neat if yharon did the whole unbeatable boss thing
you actually lose to p1, go to the darksun, etc etc
sly lily
tbf I would also suggest creating a summon weapon with darksun fragments to not have to grind powerless
but that's not allowed
ashen warren
I like unbeatable bosses, lets you have silly challenges
hollow shell
Well that'd be a bit too easy Seq
ashen warren
east?
hollow shell
sorry
ashen warren
no problem
teal ibex
hardcore characters 
ashen warren
true, iron heart and hardcore shred that possibility
hollow shell
Oh shit, actually
teal ibex
itd have to drop you to 1hp or smth
ashen warren
cutscene before actual death
hollow shell
Lose to P2 to unlock darksun
teal ibex
or just beat it with p1 gear
ashen warren
Yeah yeah, that works better.
hollow shell
... now we just gotta make P2 harder than P1
teal ibex
skip darksun 
teal ibex
ok i slep now though, expect 5th yharon suggestion tmrw
sly lily
it is a thing for summoner
sly lily
summoner doesn't get anything from darksun fragments
so it would be just smack a Mothron then go
sly lily
but you can't hit Yharon without weaponry
so you need Fearmonger
if you don't grind for the kindle staff you could brick yourself : P
ashen warren
it just means you need to use mechworm with greater skill
sly lily
teach me your mechworm secrets sempai for Yharon's 1st last phase
ashen warren
the spam charging?
sly lily
yes
ashen warren
probably not the right person to ask, but I hear pinkie can do some really out there stuff with mechworm on yharon
basically you want to fly up and fall down at a measured pace that doesn't change
yharon will barely miss you every time
ashen warren
it's really weird and I never got the hang of it
shit happens™️
core can help with those shots
sly lily
i should craft another (cause my friend has the other one)
will be afk, go grind a Core (of the blood god I guess)
and then after a bit try again, got to do stuff, bbl
pliant bone
Is it probably possible for the Blood moon to be locked behind a boss rather than getting screwed by it at early nights?
Or that involves some Redcode shit
indigo fog
Do you mean the same way sandstorms are locked behind DS?
pliant bone
Yeah
hollow shell
Probably possible yeah
tepid root
this also means that the funny death mode blood moons cant happen right away
so thats pretty good
pliant bone
Im suggesting the Blood moon to be locked behind EoC
Im just comparing it to sandstorms
brittle nexus
I know you are suggesting the blood moon, just hard to know if you were suggesting the sandstorm too
pliant bone
Perhaps my bad wording
brittle nexus
yea, its okay
frosty dagger
How about this
For Yharon
Slightly increase the time before and after Yharons dashes and slightly decrease the speed of the flare tornado projectiles. (You have to read the entire thing to truly understand why)
Most bosses you can beat just by kiting and dodging, this is the strategy that most people use to beat bosses, and it works well for basicly every boss. The game conditions you into doing this. You don't actually ever have to know the mechanics of a fight to win it, in fact, the only time you do is during no-hits and Yharon.
Yharons attackes actually aren't that hard to dodge once you know how. The dashes can be countered with a zigzag or triangle, and the flarenados can be dealt with by dragging them to the side or top of the arena and remembering where they are. Nothing else is really an issue, you can use minecart trackes to have infinate flight time, and RoD is a get out of jail free card. The reason most people struggle with Yharon is because they have to change their way of playing the game. Because you have to know these things or you get bodied and cornered. Most people simply haven't developed this type of skill and that is why Yharon is hard.
Slightly increasing the time before and after dashes and slowing down the speed of the flare tornados a bit can give the player more breathing room. The fight would still be hard, but you wouldn't feel like you're dying for doing everything right.
frosty dagger
Autocorrect
left crest
oof
echo pond
So...you're saying Yharon needs to be nerfed...because you have to learn the fight?
hollow shell
You're saying correct things here
but I also feel like it's a bit of an unrelated tangent and you're kinda goving evidence against yourself
hollow shell
I didn't say that.
frosty dagger
Took me a while to realize that other can struggle to adapt and why
I didn't mean you rover
You mean saying the fight isn't that difficult so nerf
hollow shell
You spend a paragraph explaining how it's possible to do the fight if you learn it and change your playstyle
but then say naah make it easier without needing to do that
frosty dagger
I see one sec
hollow shell
I do see what you're saying...
but the reason and the suggestion don't really sync up
frosty dagger
I've had some trouble trying to think of something that doesn't break the design of the boss
Or be to big
hollow shell
If you're goin for this kind of reasoning I think a better suggestion would be trying to teach the player about these techniques before Yharon
i.e. .... reworking Bumblebirb
That might indeed be somewhat big
sly lily
I checked the suggestions a bit and there's already one that asks for summons to work better and other Yharon fixes, so I star'd that one, no need for me to write one
frosty dagger
Bumblebirb is to far mack
hollow shell
Good on you Miaru for actually checking
frosty dagger
Which one
sly lily
@ashen warren 's
frosty dagger
Bruh
Yes that explains why doing it as summoner is harder than other classes
But not much else
hollow shell
Birb is far back but it is a required pre-Yharon fight
frosty dagger
And summoner does need a buff then
sly lily
it isn't that summoner needs a buff, but Yharon needs to be targetable more
frosty dagger
The problem with that is that three suke fishons
It's to late to grow a skill
His hitbox is huge
hollow shell
I guess a player could save Birb for pre-Yharon and completely steamroll it, learning nothing
unless we get real creative with how the fight will work
hollow shell
I personally think it'd be good if it had some attack that required positioning, like you need for infernados later
sly lily
well, the spike feathers and lil birbs are like that, in some sort of... way?
frosty dagger
I guess, but people skil birb
hollow shell
Don't know what it'd entail, but
in concept, it'd be helpful
hollow shell
Yeah like I said earlier
sand umbra
honestly I really like the idea of Birb teaching the player a bit more about the mechanics that will then be needed later on for Yharon
hollow shell
We'd prolly have to get creative with the pre-nado attack
sand umbra
(bonus points if we go off the assumption that Birb is still a failed Yharon clone whenever the lore rework meme happens)
sly lily
so Birb needs a last phase where she goes mad and rushes left to right
frosty dagger
I have skipped birb every playthough but my most recent one
sand umbra
and, to be blunt, some attacks that aren't just dashing or a Mothron's way of saying fuck you by making smaller bosses 
sly lily
imo Birb should have increased HP and require perhaps a bit of Nightmare Fuel
so all that can be applied
sly lily
I mean, why are the pheromones made of... luminite
frosty dagger
I dissagree
sly lily
at least you can say you burn the fuel to attract the birb
sly lily
but that's why I mean that Birb should get moved and buffed
frosty dagger
Not gonna happen
echo pond
Birb used to be immediately before Yharon
frosty dagger
Exactly
echo pond
They're saying to ove it ack
sly lily
exactly, and teach a bit Yharon
hollow shell
it was indeed moved so we had more sensical power scaling
frosty dagger
Pitti g them back to back is a bit acward
sly lily
didn't know it was previously like that
frosty dagger
Would give less of the feeling of mastery when you make the correlation and they are to similar
Well imma try to think of something for birb
sly lily
well then perhaps split the Rune of Kos in two components
so one goes to Providence and another to Birb
frosty dagger
Why though
hollow shell
What even
hollow shell
ehhhhh
frosty dagger
No
hollow shell
Calamity devs aren't a fan of locking progression with bosses
hollow shell
Thats why we added the Eidolon Tablet
sand umbra
in this house we appreciate nonlinear boss progression
sly lily
well idk but post moon lord seems mostly linear to me! x.x
frosty dagger
Simewhat but making it more is worse
hollow shell
You can do birb and Yharon first if you want
sly lily
well I tried, idk what to do to fix it XD
hollow shell
You'll get fucked but you can try :P
frosty dagger
New "impossible" challenge, pre provi Yharon
hollow shell
I'm sure it's been attempted
frosty dagger
Probably
sly lily
as in before Moon Lord?
frosty dagger
No
sly lily
like Cal and SCal?
sly lily
oh
frosty dagger
What
hollow shell
Imagine
Eidolon Tablet but for Yharon
frosty dagger
Oh god
ashen warren
@hollow shell
ashen warren
Idk what that means.
tepid root
this is not handled by a bot
indigo fog
^
ashen warren
Figured I'd @ because there are so many suggestions.
Bound to be some suggestions that get missed.
indigo fog
It won't be missed
cloud surge
WHY CAN I NOT ACCIDENTLY PRESS ENTER
ashen warren
Good to know then.
cloud surge
Lower the amount of particles on the xeroc greatsword's projectiles
I find that every time I fly by a few shots from it my game lags a lot, I think the amount of particles should be lowered because of how many projectiles get shot at a time
ashen warren
You could lower your graphics in settings.
ashen warren
I also don't know how many projectiles it has so I can't say anything, really.
indigo fog
I never used it, but I'd say suggest it if you're having lag issues with it
indigo fog
so whats the reason behind this
hollow idol
even if there was a Yharim message thing, I dont think insta killing Scal would be a good idea for getting it
indigo fog
im not even sure how you instakill scal
hollow idol
cheats
frosty dagger
No, just no
indigo fog
Isn't she immune to butcher functions? unless the cheat bypasses it i guess
frosty dagger
Some of them
sand umbra
she's immune to common butcher functions yes
cobalt rose
the reasoning for this suggestion is just… "i want to know what happened to yharim"
frosty dagger
The ones that do damage yes
hollow idol
she just says "go die" if you do too much to her
frosty dagger
The ones that remove entities no
sand umbra
also we already know what happened to Yharim
hollow idol
but if you do too too much it doesnt work
frosty dagger
How bout make vehement work for dog Yharon and scal
sand umbra
he got bored and drank depresso espresso because he's fought everything and curbstomped everything, with the sole exception of Xeroc who he has such a gaping power deficiency against that it's literally not possible
or at least that's how I understand it
frosty dagger
And every one betrayed him and hebwatch his family burn and he has no friends but yjaron
And wrong channel
sand umbra
right channel by technicality 
hearty plaza
Yharim is asleep and will wake up eventually™️ in some update I think 
hexed ore
Define "instakill"
indigo fog
killing instantly
gusty geode
Hero's Mod despawning bypasses anti-butcher functions 
ashen warren
Well Hero’s mod despawning doesn’t kill anything. It just despawns everything.
hexed ore
But if it's not really intended, then why would there be a reason for it? Just putting it out there
indigo fog
sometimes it had killed things for me
ashen warren
It’s never but butchered anything for me
hollow shell
@upper sigil Yharim communicates with you throughout the game via the Lore Items
He also talks to you with a chat message when you defeat Yharon Phase 1 and unlock the Dark Sun
indigo fog
actually isnt that before darksun
tepid root
unlock
hollow shell
You get the message one millisecond before Darksun, yes :P
queen delta
well, its probably more like 1 tick which is 1/60 of a second iirc
upper sigil
Oh I see, but still if I knew where he was even a little bit I would be content 
Even if I knew he was somewhere under the mortal coil of contemplating his mass murder and destruction I would be happy
hollow shell
He will eventually be added to the game as a boss, and before that as a town NPC (probably)
upper sigil
Fingers crossed that that happens soon
hollow shell
He's not a maniacal tyrant anymore
Well, for the most part
He tried conquering literal actual god and promptly got his ass handed to him, and that gave him a big reality check
Also it won't be soon, it'll be like two or three years from now, lol
upper sigil
:C
hollow shell
We've got Draedon to do as a boss first
upper sigil
(also which is why I said that he might be out there thinking on his poor life decisions, turning back slightly after a messed up life of agony of self/others)
upper sigil
It going down now
hollow shell
aighty
fluid mortar
im still traumatized from when my friend killed the piggy i kept in the storage unit for gold
hollow shell
@idle umbra What situation are you in where you have access to both Plague and the Dungeon Guardian?
tepid root
he probably got the spawn from fargo's
hollow shell
Bad
hollow shell
That's on Fargo for making it possible, not us
In Calamity alone you have to deal with not having access to the Dungeon up till that point
idle umbra
i understand it's a pointless feature but it just feels cheesy to kill dg using plague, even if i only do it for a burden breaker
hollow shell
It's not as cheesy with just Calamity
You're increasing the amount of cheese by using Fargo's Mod
idle umbra
yeah, i'm not sure if i like fargo's
distant gyro
yea you can 2-shot DG with marked magnum and scarlet devil
but assuming you'd get scarlet devil by the time
hollow shell
It's fine if you use it
but don't make suggestions for Calamity when it pertains to using it
idle umbra
alright
potent veldt
killing DG is too easy with literally anything
No matter what the case is, this will never be a good reason for Calamity specifically, because Calamity gives you no reason to kill DG in the first place.
bitter drift
JESUS MY SUGGESTION HAS GOT 90 STARS (sadly we need 120 now)
timid pawn
Hmm i wondering why @teal ibex Suggestion doesn't has a green mark next to it even though it got 160 stars?
queen sail
Patience
bitter drift
after it got 120 stars it goes to the devs
there it's being checked if they can add it
@hexed ore
on the flamenados try to bunch them up in the same spot
on the charges from 100% to 70 or 80% it's every 3th charge of 2 attacks (one set of charges then he does something else then the 2nd set has the giant 75MPH charge at the end aka the 3th charge) from 70% or 80% it's the same thing except the giant charge is not 4th instead of 3th
from 40% health and down to 25% you are right they are all 75MPH charges at that place
timid pawn
Make meteor head drop meteroite ore or make astral infection bosses drop it. Reason:to make getting meteroite easier since you are not gonna play the game of luck by breaking shadow orb/ crimson heart and waiting for meteor to fall
frail mantle
it's a 2% drop rate
fervent citrus
Maybe have them drop it a little more often? 
timid pawn
increase meteor heads drop rate for meteorite ore.Reason: the drop rate is very low and after your stock of meteorite ores is over you will have to play the game of luck by breaking a shadow orb/ crimson heart and waiting for a meteor to fall. Better?
Is this better or it has some proplems?
fervent citrus
Nah looks fine
timid pawn
It is a bad idea to make astral bosses drop meteorite and astral ore right?
frail mantle
iirc Astral Slimes already drop Astral Ore post-Deus so not sure about that one
also maybe state in your suggestion that Meteorite should also drop in Hardmode too
timid pawn
It doesn't drop in hard mode?
frail mantle
nope
toxic kettle
Do Meteor heads even appear in Hardmode
quiet abyss
@lavish wraith Please do elaborate a bit more about that. People won't really understand what you mean with such a vague statement as a reason for your suggestion.
night cradle
Meteor Heads do appear in Hardmode
night cradle
The fact that they dont drop anything comes from Re-Logic fixing something that caused them to drop Souls in Underground Evils and Hallow, making effective farms
It was fixed in 1.2, and from that point they dont drop anything
tepid root
couldnt they have just made them...not drop souls specifically 🤔
sand umbra
so Meteor Heads can't drop anything in Hardmode because they could be used to farm Souls of Night/Light
that is the most fantastically flimsy reasoning I've ever heard
you wanna know why?
KS exists
tepid root
sand umbra
by the time you reach Hardmode, KS is fairly easy to summon and fight, and he spawns a fat bunch of slimes every time you fight him
night cradle
I also was wonderning why couldn't they just apply a check specifically for Meteor Heads for the soul dropping
Unless it was done another way
sand umbra
which all have a chance to drop Souls of Night or Light if in the Undergroun Corruption/Crimson or Hallow respectively
bonus points: for Corruption worlds, you can go with EoW
and for Crimson worlds, BoC
night cradle
the EoW method still works on souls? Thought it was fixed or smth
ashen warren
BoC Creepers drop souls?
sand umbra
if KS still works and freaking WoF can drop a Soul I have every reason to believe EoW and Creepers can
loud steeple
King slime is just really good for farming any drop that drops from anything being killed in a specific biome
ashen warren
Biome keys intensify
sand umbra
...well that's just strange
Creepers/EoW can't drop Souls
bitter drift
me (being the slime rancher i am) don't have any item blocked behind a biome i can't get!
last playthrough this was my 7th's one after killing about 40 KSs
bitter drift
yes but even if they could i wouldn't use them specifically for souls
bitter drift
also my suggestion is at 95 stars i guess people do agree with me on the fact that death mode ML is an unoriginal trash
tired haven
Thing probably is that king slime slimes are existing enemies (blue spiked slimes dab though), eow is boss enemy and creepers are minions that aren't supposed to drop things
bitter drift
@tired haven tissue sample and crimtaint ore: are we a joke for you?
@ashen warren no we can't
tired haven
Biome-locked things
Happy? 
sand umbra
okay so
if people are gonna complain this much about rogue
clearly I can just waltz over to Thorium and start begging for Exhaustion mechanics to function with other mods too, right
bitter drift
this was ruled out by the devs as they want to make rogue a completely different then throwing that is not connected to it
distant gyro
wait the what
gray nebula
Yeah, sure, reading the suggestions don't is quite fun and interesting, but could we please... pleaase... not read them
placid moth
is raising 90 stars to 120 necessary though
bitter drift
yes
sand umbra
since Exhaustion doesn't work with any non-Thorium thrown weps (or even vanilla ones)
bitter drift
but i wish it was 110
tired haven
Exhaustion literally only works on non-consumables and vanilla has none of them
placid moth
yes we have like 50k members but how many of them are active and willing to scroll thru suggestions and willing to star them anyways
placid moth
im late because i was stuck without discord for a week or so
sand umbra
bruh
tired haven
Double limitation would have been double bruh so i don't mind
sand umbra
fair enough
tired haven
@ashen warren deleted your suggestion, check pins next time before putting up a suggestion
(including the Don't document)
radiant meadow
@lavish wraith I can decrease the volume of the sound, would that work?
the summon specifically
Right now, it is this
Main.PlaySound(2, (int)projectile.position.X, (int)projectile.position.Y, 12);
changing it to
Main.PlaySound(2, (int)projectile.position.X, (int)projectile.position.Y, 12, 0.5f, 0f);
will make it half volume
this is in the astral probe summon projectile file
ashen warren
Well you’ll find at how it sounds in the next update
teal ibex
@placid moth 90 star req was sending over half of posted suggestions to dev server, which was deemed to be too much to effectively act upon
distant gyro
even with 120 stars we still get over 10 suggestions a week somehow
tepid root
:tired_rick:
frail mantle
tired haven
toxic kettle
time to raise it to 150 stars 
tepid root
nu
teal ibex
raise it to 1,000 stars. we need total unanimity in suggestions.
distant gyro
I would be satisfied with 200 stars 
frail mantle
i've heard of, like, two suggs that reached over 200 stars
teal ibex
maybe im overshooting LOL
i know for sure me and crab have had a one and could swear i saw a couple others
ashen warren
Raise the stars to 2000 and then the staff can act like:
Oh we never get suggestions anymore which means people are probably really satisfied with the game and don't need any more changes.
ashen warren
Sure it did.
frail mantle
karmic stone
Doesn't Tmod give you a special bag with all the items that couldn't be loaded into your inv if it's full so that this wouldn't happen
tepid root
doesnt seem like it
karmic stone
smoky wagon
i need 12 more on mine
rancid flame
Has anyone suggested wings for all of the armours that make auric tesla? Like we only have tarragon wings, which actually results in bloodflare giving less overall defence if you have tarragon wings, even though the armour is supposed to be a direct upgrade. Seems like something someone might have already suggested.
sand umbra
post-ML mobility is dead
rancid flame
huh?
sand umbra
get Tracers or perish
besides people would make the argument of Drew's Wings anyway so lel
rancid flame
I don't like tracers. i dont need the acc slot, and i do need the flight time
sand umbra
(actually though I would highly enjoy a wider variety of wings and such for post-ML)
rancid flame
Like there is no reason these wings don't exist. They just aren't there
placid girder
I'm not the only person who doesn't like defiled crits right?
rancid flame
It's part of the difficulty; it's not supposed to be fair
Aight I'm gonna suggest it then
placid girder
Oofing your wings is the whole point of defiled
bitter drift
i'm at 98 stars WO
frosty dagger
Defiled is two things, the crits and no wings
placid girder
I think the crits are the bad part of it
zealous ridge
What about increased drop chances?
placid girder
That's more of the benefits
zealous ridge
or are we taking the negatives, yeah
frosty dagger
Then that's your opinion but you aren't going to get it removed
zealous ridge
also I would like to say more post ml wings would be nice
frosty dagger
Yes
zealous ridge
But I think it may be important to consider what effort it would take
frosty dagger
Currently new mobility is non-existent
zealous ridge
Wings aren’t the quickest thing to sprite
And balancing around new wings that give potential mobility and misc stat boosts may be difficult
bitter drift
why would you waist a slot for different wings when you have wings and boots at the same accessory
frosty dagger
Good thing we got an art server
Well yes but some unique mobility would be nice
Wing that boast your dash or something
teal ibex
wings are better than boots at their tier if you dont touch the ground
this is true of vanilla and i think by extension calamity
frosty dagger
And you don't ofern for Yharon
placid girder
Tbh like
bitter drift
the only type of usable wings i can thing of are
low flight time high running speed or the exact opposite
placid girder
I don't use boots for most of hm
sand umbra
and then literally every boss ever punishes you for touching the ground once in Hardmode
so wings are just outright better
taxevasion
rancid flame
oh
zealous ridge
What?
rancid flame
I checked before hand
bitter drift
wow you framed it by the worst way alive
zealous ridge
Uh no...?
frosty dagger
Or wing that go really slow horizontally and fast verticle but allow you to dash big distances
bitter drift
terragone wings exit
rancid flame
yeah i know
frosty dagger
Just throwing stuff out there
teal ibex
omg
rancid flame
I dont use tracers
bitter drift
except bloodflare?
zealous ridge
yeah there aren’t associated wings for blood flare, godslayer, and silva
teal ibex
tarragon and drews are the ONLY wings
bitter drift
so only 3
hollow shell
"there just aren't any wings besides Tarragon"
That seems clear
teal ibex
WHA
rancid flame
I feels weird to not have wings for those armours
rancid flame
would it?
teal ibex
unlimited flight time is already yharon lore
frosty dagger
Yes you move to fast with celesial
teal ibex
that would be a poor place to introduce another identical effect
hollow shell
I could get down with something lkke that
bitter drift
you forgot that the traces are wings and they use both auric and cosmilite for different upgrade?
frosty dagger
But that oofs your survivability (I think
hollow shell
Tracers always have worse flight time than nearby wings iirc
teal ibex
adir we're not saying the tracers don't exist, we're saying there should be wing based alternatives
bitter drift
like they are any good
frosty dagger
Dragon wings
rancid flame
I don't use tracers the lower flight time ain't worth it to me.
teal ibex
godslayer, bloodflare, auric, omega blue, silva, heck even demonshade
zealous ridge
Erm, wings besides tracers are good?
teal ibex
could all have wings available
zealous ridge
idk what you’re going on about but tarragon is viable to use
teal ibex
also yes wings give you stat boosts while tracers do not
bitter drift
it's much better to have a good mobility all around instead of having grate mobility at one place and pure garbage at the other
rancid flame
I just use the unicorn to give horizontal speed I don't need tracers
teal ibex
what does that point even mean
zealous ridge
You neglect the fact that you can still wear angel treads, adir
frosty dagger
Wings with some cool effects and another option then tracers, yes
rancid flame
yeah pre DoG as well. Bloodflare
frosty dagger
Honestly the only time I didn't like tracers is for scal
rancid flame
I just got bloodflare and now I have less defence than tarragon
bitter drift
do you have the right helmet?
frosty dagger
zealous ridge
What are you even
rancid flame
yes. Tarragon wings give 15 defence when used with tarragon armour
hollow shell
Tarragon wings give defense when you use it with Tarragon Armor
zealous ridge
Adir you’re not really arguing anything right now
teal ibex
i feel like you should not so strongly argue something that you lack the understanding of
frosty dagger
I think we should make a sug that complies q buch of wing ideas for post ml
teal ibex
there's literally no downside to adding more wings, yeah
just the spritework
no, being ambiguous is better
frosty dagger
I mean like a wing with an vauge ability or a name
zealous ridge
haha yes
frosty dagger
Exaples
zealous ridge
nah I like the vagueness rn
frosty dagger
Dragon wings or slow wing with lots of flight time
zealous ridge
yeah, that’s fun and all I don’t want to detract from that line of thinking
frosty dagger
If they want they can mesh and remove what they want
zealous ridge
but we don’t need to make a new suggestion, nor do we have to give concrete ideas because the concept is the same, it’s just that one gives examples that may not be used
frosty dagger
Ok good point but I think we can agree that John's sug is a bit much
No way that's getting through
frosty dagger
I'm a idiot I thought you meant the armor has wings
rancid flame
as in...?
frosty dagger
Ok I am going to go to Nepal where I shall live as a goat
rancid flame
You thought I meant give the armour themselves wings?
zealous ridge
i believe he thought that as a part of the setbonus, the armor grants wings
frosty dagger
Yes
frosty dagger
ashen warren
I noticed the Lazinator shoots faster than it can damage because of its pierce. Is this intentional?
zealous ridge
I believe it’s a weakness of the weapon
ashen warren
It really is
zealous ridge
Not nessecarily intentional, but its become a part of the weapons functionality
I think it’s designed to work better against multiple enemies
because each one has separate iframe counters
then again, having the laser pierce slower than it shoots is kind of annoying against single targets as dps is nearly cut in half
ashen warren
Because every other laser passes through and does nothing essentially, except on the enemy that despawns the projectile (because it doesn’t pierce)
Because of this, the enemy in the back of a line takes the most damage from it
zealous ridge
Yeah
distant gyro
that's just immunity frames yes
zealous ridge
if I’m honest I don’t like lame inator very much
it’s literally a direct upgrade to laser rifle iirc
and in some facets it does the job worse
ashen warren
Such as only damaging every other time it shoots
zealous ridge
well, when I say direct, I mean a direct, instant upgrade
it just needs victory shards and the rifle
ashen warren
And a Space Gun byeah
zealous ridge
and, to be sure, it works against cryogen which is what I assume it was balanced around
Because the hit box of the shield is p big it does pretty good damage to bust it
And it can work well when dealing with the spawned minions
But against cryo itself it does below average damage at best
ashen warren
In general it seems early Hardmode magic is kind of off kilter
queen sail
Did memeinator get any changes recently or
distant gyro
added space gun to recipe
zealous ridge
And against clam it’s really not viable because the high defense and swarms of clams make using the weak piercing damage ineffective
ashen warren
Not viable because high defense?
cries in Serpentine
zealous ridge
yeah serpentine also needs help, but there’s already a suggestion for that
ashen warren
I know
distant gyro
yes
zealous ridge
I do believe discussion has been thrown around about giving the weapon a different tier
ashen warren
Mostly my issue is these weapons could use a purpose when Frigidflash Bolt exists
zealous ridge
hmm
one thing I’d do would be giving it a harder recipe
like maybe it uses adamantite or titanium or some hardmode material that is hard to get super early
ashen warren
Didn’t lazinator use to be Post Plant or am I on something?
distant gyro
hell burst is moved now though, that's progress
left crest
lazinator should at least be no longer an instant and direct upgrade to laser rifle
zealous ridge
Eh
ashen warren
That is arguably not an upgrade
zealous ridge
I think it can stay in the same tier
but it’s effect can be changed a bit and it’s recipe made more difficult
ashen warren
Would it be a good idea to make the Lazinator not pierce?
zealous ridge
so it’s not super easy to upgrade
left crest
a possible thing to do woulf be make it inflict fewer iframes so every shot hits, but add hallowed bar or smth
zealous ridge
I don’t like it being post mech
left crest
at least make it not an instant upgrade
zealous ridge
yeah
ashen warren
Most magic weapons at this tier peirce, so magic wouldn’t suffer from lack of pierce options if Lazinator didn’t pierce.
zealous ridge
And wouldn’t that make more sense, considering how the light gun doesn’t pierce through ducks in duck hunt?
I think
I actually don’t fully know that but
ashen warren
So should I suggest to give it a more complex recipe and make it not pierce?
zealous ridge
I would say that’s fair
ashen warren
Let me draft it
radiant meadow
It gives cold resistance already
I just forgot when making the resist list on the wiki
@steel raptor
steel raptor
I didn't see it oops
radiant meadow
Anything that gives frozen debuff immunity gives cold resist
Which includes hand warmer
ashen warren
Give the Lazinator a more complex recipe (such as adding AdamanTitanium tier Bars) and make it no longer pierce targets.
Lazinator is a instant upgrade to the laser rifle, and yet is arguably not an upgrade. It pierces, as do several magic weapons if the their such as Frigidflash Bolt, Ichor Spray, and Serpentine to name a few. Making it harder to craft gives the player a reason to use the laser rifle, and making Lazinator not pierce distinguishes it as a single target, accuracy based magic weapon, a set of characteristics largely unique to it at this tier.
How does that sound
queen sail
Sounds good
hollow shell
ye
ashen warren
Dope
indigo fog
suggested before
fierce hedge
You sure
indigo fog
fierce hedge
Ig it does now
still its annoying to deal with the downsides when you're not even gonna use the purpose of the potions
With purpose i mean the upsides
(i hope you get what I am trying to say)
hollow shell
And getting rid of Alcohol Poisoning by doing that is still a punishment
You took some damage, and you have to sacrifice one of your buffs (and by extension your money)
hollow shell
Well it's not really a reason as much as it is a potential cheesing point in your sugg that doesn't actually pan out, which is good
@bitter drift What are you suggesting
bitter drift
oh not clear enough? ok give a minute
hollow shell
Yeah
It's kinda buried in there
Make a direct sentence and put it in bold, somewhere.
indigo fog
What do you guys think about nerfing the Tesla Potion to not kill Spell AI enemies? It trivializes Eater of Worlds' fight by letting the player completely ignore vile spit, while also not having to pay any attention to most Caster AI enemies. I think the potion is already good enough for how early it is obtained, and these projectiles shouldn't have such an easy way around it. I believe it also lets you ignore Duke Fishron's detonating bubbles but I haven't tested that.
bitter drift
here made it and it's separated
hollow shell
Thanks Adir
distant gyro
huh
Sun Spirit is crafted
Wulfrum Controller is crafted
Squirrel Squire is crafted
(ye the latter is in the next update)
radiant meadow
We need cosmilite and Darksun summons
sand umbra
yes
distant gyro
frost hydra 2
sand umbra
summoner is in dire need of options post-DoG, both before and after unlocking the buffed Eclipse
radiant meadow
Craftable cryo and slime god weapons is getting removed
sand umbra
pogchamp
radiant meadow
Kelvin is harder to get now 
sand umbra
precisely
does this also potentially mean new uses for Frigid Bars, or nah
because atm that's their primary purpose
radiant meadow
Not yet?
Idk what we're going to do with them
sand umbra
I see
sand umbra
sinful violet
adir im going to kill you
bitter drift
wot
bitter drift
did you suggest it already?
distant gyro
yes
hollow shell
I see
random person: oh you mean YhArOn
me: no, you see other then the big gigantic dragon in the room```i typed as a disclaimer of no i'm not talking about the big gigantic dragon that is unfair to summoners
sinful violet
I see
bitter drift
i just love to type things in a different way
hollow shell
... 
sinful violet
I'm getting a drink
radiant meadow
bitter drift
i'm getting a drunk
frail mantle
sand umbra
bitter drift
:wat:
sand umbra
what the fuck did I miss
bitter drift
me making a really dumb joke
zealous ridge
been thinking about asking for a nerf to the Galileo gladius, but not because it's dps is really off kilter
zealous ridge
alright then
thats... uh. okay
just for testing's sake, i feel like it overpreformed after DoG against both the pumpkin/frost moons and darksun
but for yharon and dog it's in an okay spot, less so for yharon bc its like several tiers above at that point but for dog all it would really need is less free usability
foggy plover
I think its already getting nerfed
zealous ridge
really i just feel Galileo is too easy to use with no penalty
it has amazing range, can attack basically anything in 2 cones horizontally placed around the player, does great true melee damage, and has homing that is more powerful than the crescent moon, for some reason... its like theyre different projectiles or smth
queen sail
Last I checked galileo gladius it spammed homing moon beams non stop
foggy plover
all the new shivs are really good
queen sail
I hadn’t even done a run yet and I still feel like this is a bit overclocked
zealous ridge
yeah what id do to it would be giving it's moons a far more restrictive projectile time, or giving it limited piercing and homing abilities
foggy plover
shivs are kinda trade off, they have some of the highest dps at the point (the post polter ones) but they cover your screen with bright effects
radiant meadow
They are different projectiles
zealous ridge
like give it a waay shorter range and less time to deal massive damage with up to like 5 moons on a single target just whaling away at the targets hp
radiant meadow
The moon cooldown can be increased if needed
zealous ridge
hmm
like cooldown between firing projectiles?
that could be a good tradeoff, keeping the range but giving it way less dps
ala stacking moons on single targets
radiant meadow
I meant the true melee moons but I can do the projectiles
teal ibex
u-understood 
sinful violet
smart man
potent veldt
@bitter drift Condense your suggestions.
bitter drift
what?
potent veldt
Almost the entire point of the suggestion is impossible to find because
- Super unnecessary opening
- There's almost no formatting
indigo fog
potent veldt
This changes nothing.
No one said it was fine that you were doing it.
And even if someone did, I'm telling you very directly that having your suggestion be so needlessly wordy and unorganized will only hamper it's progress in succeeding.
You're only harming yourself with the way you have it now.
bitter drift
here is pretty clear order of the suggestion
part 1: talking about what is the problem
part 2: an example
part 3: what do i suggest
i mean i even made one row gap between every subject
potent veldt
random person: oh you mean YhArOn
me: no, you see other then the big gigantic dragon in the room```Why is this the beginning of your suggestion.
What does this serve.
bitter drift
wait let me get the exact comment i typed to Mrrp
potent veldt
Again, that changes absolutely nothing.
hallow kraken
What does it mean?
potent veldt
I'm not asking if someone gave you an "okay" for your suggestion.
bitter drift
i typed as a disclaimer of no i'm not talking about the big gigantic dragon that is unfair to summoners
here this is my explain to why i typed this in
potent veldt
I'm telling you it's unnecessary.
And the way it's worded doesn't help get it's point across.
And again, the main point of your suggestion should be the first thing people read in the suggestion.
bitter drift
maybe i should edit it a bit switch up some things make even cleared then it already is
potent veldt
Not some counterargument that no one will understand, since it's missing context until later in the suggestion.
Alright, here, I'll show you
1. make more summoner weapons that are craft-able in these areas
2. make the summoner weapon in that place in the progression list craft-able
either 1 of them or both of them```What is wrong with it being this short and concise?
frail mantle
<The main point of the suggestion>
Reason for this suggestion: <The reason>
a simple and nice way to format your suggestions
potent veldt
Even if the grammar is wild, it's way easier to read
And takes up much less space
Hate to break it to you, but generally if a suggestion is super long - even if it needs to be, which is rare - less people will read it.
And the less people that read it, the less stars you'll get by default.
indigo fog
what
gray nebula
;,;; incredible brain moment
hollow shell
@spare sedge ^
spare sedge
im smart
bitter drift
yes but actually
no
indigo fog
What do you guys think about nerfing the Tesla Potion to not kill Spell AI enemies? It makes the Eater of Worlds' fight way too easy by letting the player completely ignore vile spit. While you also don't have to pay any attention to most Caster AI enemies. I think the potion is already good enough for how early it is obtainable, and projectiles like these shouldn't have such an easy way around it. I believe the inferno potion does the same thing but that potion is usually obtained later after EoW, and this is pretty early-game and easy to make
bitter drift
@indigo fog let's not forget EoC
FREE ADRENALINE! EVEN FOR SUMMONER!
frail mantle
what
hallow kraken
okay?
indigo fog
im confused
bitter drift
the main thing that hits you in the EoC fight is his minions
the potion inta kills minion
indigo fog
Those are easily avoidable either way, you put your main focus on dodging the boss
hallow kraken
what kind of EoC are you fighting
bitter drift
death mode
just run to one side and jump when he switches
also i'm summoner i guess that say something
indigo fog
anyway is this fine to suggest
frail mantle
i don't know about you but the Servants of Cthulhu are the least of my concerns while fighting EoC
bitter drift
mine too but when it comes to losing my adrenaline they are the biggest concern for me