iirc i fought pbg in the underground my first time (didnt even know) in my plantera arena
#suggestions-discussion
tepid root
was too lazy to make an arena on the surface lol
i died anyways got salty and skipped her
sand umbra
brunga
distant gyro
now as in 1.4.3.001? just the same as usual but 25% slower when siren is alive
hollow shell
@copper onyx (sorry for late)
Could you elaborate more on #2? A reason, particularly
I didn't know they despawned under any circumstances
frail mantle
suggestion about future content moment
radiant meadow
@ashen warren you're not allowed to suggest about future content like that
it's already planned for one thing
ashen warren
I see, I wasn't aware sorry.
indigo fog
Late to respond to this suggestion about deathmode weather, but we shouldn't reduce the chance of rain entirely because of deathmode's environmental changes being somewhat difficult to deal with. You can easily get around freezing in the snow biome by placing some campfires. If lightning is the problem, we just have to make it less severe.
This tornado thing seems like a lot of work to implement and sounds really annoying for if you're farming, and hallow/evil biomes already spread faster in hardmode. There have been times I've missed just a few evil blocks with a clentaminator and the entire biome grew back, so this to me at least sounds like it can get annoying real fast. You don't seem to have a reason for adding it other than making deathmode more challenging, when it already is and doesn't need this, and to "give a reason to pick up items." Forcing players to clutter their inventory to prevent tornadoes from doing loads of damage just adds to how annoying something like this would be. Also I have no idea how being inside of a tornado does absolutely no damage to the player or structures, knowing how violent they are.
radiant meadow
you can't exactly reduce the natural chance of rain in Terraria
without IL editing or some crap
copper onyx
@hollow shell If you decide to fight her on the surface for some reason, you can fly away from her and despawn the plaguebringers
hollow shell
Alright
If you could include that as an example that'd be good
like "If fighting her on the surface, you can fly away from her and despawn the plaguebringers, cheesing the fight a bit."
somethin along those lines
hallow kraken
Similarly to a recently made suggestion, Make floodtide fishable after calamitas has been defeated rather than planteta.
Floodtide is crafted with post-cal abyss materials, but can only be fished after plantera. Now that plant has nothing to do with the abyss, this should be changed to post-cal.
hollow shell
ah
indigo fog
yea i'll just ask about fixing it from now on
since making it a suggestion is unnecessary
hallow kraken
yeah, honestly should I just delete it
prime elbow
Could you fix the gilded and gleaming daggers' orientation? I would consider that an oversight.
subtle oracle
WOW, diamondWalker's suggestion helped me beat the plaguebringer goliath, i never knew i was fighting him enraged lol
toxic pagoda
I wont add this to suggestions but I rly want a pre scal effervescence lol
hollow shell
uhh
indigo fog
There's already an exo-tier magic gun so that's unlikely
gusty geode
Can we get a channel to post suggestions that would otherwise be illegal
They wouldn't have the same system built around them
And nothing posted there would be sent to the dev server
But it'd still be nice to see what people want in that regard
hollow shell
Just, creative outlet channel?
gusty geode
Sure
hollow shell
Prolly not in this server.
Maybe the art server
but most likely its own dedicated server
... ran by Thomas
gusty geode
K, maybe not that far 
Fair enough
I just imagine there are a lot of good ideas for stuff like Yharim's army or other planned content that people would wanna see
Not to mention SISs
toxic pagoda
ehh idk about that kinda stuff on a channel in this server
maybe cool new weapons and item concepts and things but nothing that relates to expanding the lore
gusty geode
Never said anything about lore suggestions
But iirc Rover once said those were legal to an extent so it wouldn't matter anyway
lost agate
Rework Revengeance ML so it adds on to the expert ai rather than overriding it or allow other mod drops to be dropped by rev Moon Lord
This issue is rather important imo since it nukes each and all drops of ML from other mods, causing some important issues with mod compatibility
How is this?
lost agate
I heard it happens with pumpkings
foggy plover
yeah thats one, I think it also happens with the dungeon sorcerers (necromancer etc)
zealous ridge
also tEoC being basically dead isn't fun for me
hollow shell
Wait what
lost agate
Yeah thats a thing
hollow shell
How?
lost agate
Hell if i know
hollow shell
We don't touch ML's drops
lost agate
The rev ai nuked the drop code
zealous ridge
apparently the ai changes make other mod drops screwed up, yeah
lost agate
Calamity overrides it in rev
zealous ridge
i do believe cal makes some changes to ml drop pool... right?
maybe im mistaken and tis the actual items that are affected
hollow shell
It adds to it, yeah
but that shouldn't affect what's already there
ashen warren
Seems like such a crazy random issue
lost agate
Except it does
hollow shell
That's true
lost agate
Dunno why that happens with pumpkings and such too
zealous ridge
may or may not be what post-dog changes about them?
swift wadi
Does utensil poker come from the bag? Maybe if everything calamity adds dropped from ML himself it wouldnt fuck with them for some reason?
Just a thought I have no idea
foggy plover
it comes from bag ye
lost agate
This bug started happening way before utensil poker iirc
But i mean like, all the direct drops from ML apart from bag just dont exist in rev
hollow shell
Alright yeah it looks like ML's AI is rewritten in Calamity source
and there's a call to drop bag(s)
so I guess it would fuck over any direct drops that aren't in the bag for whatever reason
lost agate
It doesnt have anything to do with the bag
hollow shell
yeah I'm sayin that like
cuz this is Rev-only, and therefore Expert-only, Calamity doesn't restate his vanilla drop pool plus Calamity items
Just makes him drop his bag, which can contain other modded stuff inside
lost agate
But some other mods decide on direct drops since theyre a mode exclusive item
Like masomode as mentioned before
hollow shell
Indeed
... I do have a feeling that rewriting the entire Rev AI to be "adding on" rather than rewriting will be a bitch of a task
But I'm pretty sure everything we do to ML will be able to stay in-tact even if we do that
cuz iirc all of Maso's changes are appended rather than overwritten
lost agate
So should i post it?
lost agate
Since one of the options requiere ai rework i think it fits more as a sugg
And well the other is basically add mod compat
hollow shell
Yeah sure you could post it in suggs
Prolly a safer bet there than in the bugs channel
gusty geode
Was never a fan of Calamity ML getting rid of the 2nd phase's main mechanic anyway
foggy plover
I like it cuz eyes were dumb, but I do prefer maso's solution of syncing them
just the pillar attacks in p2 can go die
lost agate
Only the nebula one is hard to figure out imo
radiant meadow
the specific call for maso ais shouldn't be needed anymore iirc
but the drops thing is more of a bug
hearty yew
Sudden shower thought that I was considering making a suggestion but has some non trivial progression implications:
Add 3 Ashes of Calamity to the Core of Calamity recipe.
Reason: It's a Core of Calamity. Also, Ashes are criminally underused in crafting.
Nontrivial implications: Cores of Calamity are now post Plantera AND calamitas, meaning Asgard's Valor requires Clone's defeat.
Thoughts?
foggy plover
I like the idea
hearty yew
There may be other progression implications I haven't thought of but I figured this would be a neat idea
radiant meadow
but what if no
hearty yew
What else are cores of calamity used in
foggy plover
3 seems a bit much tho tbh
foggy plover
yeah especially for things like blade of enmity and omniblade
radiant meadow
and daedalus emblem
hearty yew
okay so that's past plantera tier anyway
foggy plover
like thats a lot of ashes
radiant meadow
ye, post plant shit mostly
radiant meadow
1 ash to bind the cores together
radiant meadow
how does ash do that?
only the Mythril Anvil will know
foggy plover
sounds good to me, only other time cores are used are for auric bars and by then ravager is cake to farm
(in mass I mean)
hearty yew
I just feel ashes are criminally underused
sinful violet
Well we did want to provide more pre plant/cal non-mech content with the cores later on, so this is a bit counterintuitive
hearty yew
Considering how iconic calamitas is and all that
sinful violet
We have one or two things planned for ashes already because of that
radiant meadow
cores require plant to be dead though?
hollow shell
Pre Plant content with the cores?
radiant meadow
they use ectoplasm
hollow shell
Yeah they need Ectoplasm
radiant meadow
hollow shell
... ah
sinful violet
I don't think we would need to put ashes into the core recipe since it doesn't work very thematically as a pure "core" of natural elements. We can definitely find more uses for the ashes though.
hearty yew
But calamity is an element
It overrides the other 3
The ashes of calamity blight the natural forces of the world
sand umbra
idle question: if it's a Core of natural elements, why is it called a Core of Calamity
Calamity is not natural as a force in the world, or at least certainly not as it's implied to be here
a
sinful violet
Then we're probably going to have to redesign it if we're going to relate it to that.
radiant meadow
okay @sprooter you know the drill
sinful violet
At the moment it just yells "essence"
radiant meadow
core of calamity mostly relates to the name of the mod I think
sinful violet
The name just feels inconsequential because of everything else related to it.
hollow shell
"Core of Calamity" is quite a strange name for what this item is
it'd actually make sense of we add Ashes of Calamity to it
sinful violet
I feel like it'd make more sense in that vein of thought to just change the name. We have a lot of "calamity" or "brimstone" or just dark red fiery stuff (ataxia) already.
versed tundra
"Core of chaos" could work, maybe?
hollow shell
Already exists
sinful violet
You realize what it's crafted with right 
hearty yew
I think that might be his point
Ashes of calamity and chaos and brimstone and unholy cores and so on
There's a lot of hell
Everywhere
Already
radiant meadow
isn't ataxia stuff getting changed or something?
sinful violet
It is but the basic theme is still the same
hearty yew
It's a neat idea but I guess if it's thematically inappropriate then I'll have to ask you as Lead Writer to explain what IS thematically appropriate for cores of calamity and bars of life
Random combo materials that make a ton of random unthemed items
radiant meadow
well, it sounds more like you're just throwing it in because of its color
hearty yew
😄
sinful violet
Just name change for core of calamity to core of the world, it doesn't have to be overcomplicated or lore related.
radiant meadow
since it's underwater volcanic rock rather than brimstone flame
sinful violet
I am, design-wise yes
hearty yew
Bars of life are almost like budget shadowspec
radiant meadow
I don't like the name Core of the World
hearty yew
They just make whatever the fuck you want
sinful violet
That's what I'm talking about after all
Doesn't have to be core of the world, can be whatever.
swift wadi
oh god ozza is here 
versed tundra
Core of calamity -> Core of chaos
Core of chaos -> Chaotic heart
-> Chaos stone
-> anything else, really
radiant meadow
well, wasn't it being resprited to not be so red?
hollow shell
That'd be inconsistent with the other cores Lulink
sand umbra
also Chaos Stone is the Clone drop 
versed tundra
Entropy is great to replace chaos
sinful violet
Just saying that since it's meant to be an item which brings together different elements, chaosbrimstone shit already represented, sunlight, and eleum, it'd be silly to just shove in ashes and overpower everything else.
versed tundra
but it sounds more general and intellectual, making it sound more powerful
sand umbra
also can I throw a sugg in here to gather opinions on it
sinful violet
Doesn't really need it though. I'm saying there's other opportunities for ashes.
Also yeah ofc
sand umbra
ok cool, just wasn't sure if I should wait until we're all done with this convo on Cores or nah
versed tundra
"Pandemonium Jewel" 
sinful violet
Anyhow, I would just personally change core of calamity's name to something else.
sinful violet
And I can't change anything myself either, so I'm stating an opinion
hearty yew
There are many many valid reasons against it so I've tossed the suggestion
But perhaps calamity's... ahem, core crafting materials may need some stronger theming
radiant meadow
so what exactly did we plan for ashes?
versed tundra
https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/core?s=t
https://thesaurus.com/browse/chaos?s=t
Mix and match to make brand new Calamity accesories™️
sinful violet
and you can always add more
radiant meadow
core of chaos doesn't need a name change
I thought it was literally one thing on the trello
zealous ridge
yeah i personally would change all the core names
sinful violet
We've said the design and the materials don't exactly lend to the name.
radiant meadow
I'm discounting the random thesaurus links
hollow shell
Unless
we add Ashes of Calamity to it
versed tundra
discounting?
sinful violet
Just one item, core of calamity, really needs a rename, it's ingredients are fine imo 
radiant meadow
okay, I'll rename it to Core of Clamity
zealous ridge
yeah calamity like... needs a rename
hollow shell
(That one planned thing isn't enough to elevate Calamitas to the same importance as adding Ashes to Core of Calamity would be)
versed tundra
Add blood orbs, cause everything is better with blood orbs right?
radiant meadow
no
zealous ridge
radiant meadow
blood orbs are only meant for potions and bloodstone cores
sinful violet
Well since ozz's agreed it isn't necessary, we can just put more thought into what to use the ashes for.
radiant meadow
and it should stay that way imo
sinful violet
I didn't say that the one thing was enough and we should just stop there.
versed tundra
I agree. I was making a joke
sinful violet
Just try not to, it can get distracting for some people who want to discuss things.
hollow shell
I mean
Bar of Life and Core of Calamity kinda have the theme of crafting a wide variety of items
They're very versatile, apparently
radiant meadow
they're kinda like a super material that gets added to several things to show their power
versed tundra
Core of life. Bam, fixed
sinful violet
Yeah, because they themselves are just amalgamations of over half the relevant crafting materials in hm 
versed tundra
/s
radiant meadow
can you stop making jokes?
sinful violet
smh we just talked about not shitting around
okay mr "we should call it core of clamity" smh
zealous ridge
core of continuance?
radiant meadow
it annoys me more that it happened right after you told him not to do it though, Mrrp
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sinful violet
Anyhow, what I've gotten from this is
we should rename core of calamity, and ashes of calamity needs more uses beyond the planned content.
zealous ridge
yeah sounds good
sand umbra
which actually very nicely leads into this proposition:
Make the Blade of Enmity crafted with Ashes of Calamity, rather than Cores of Calamity and Bars of Life.
❔
Everything about this weapon indicates that it would be similar to other potential weapons made with the material (not to mention it rather closely matches the Calamitas Clone's palette), yet it's made with two materials that don't really seem to relate to it at all. Thematic purposes, really, as well as the fact that the Blade of Enmity could always be used as a starting point for more items made with Ashes of Calamity as a part of content updates to come.
this is actually a change that originates from EE but I figure it's actually worthy of potentially being promoted to main maybe probably I don't know™️
thoughts?
versed tundra
I just think you are overthinking the problem. The only question is "should you really change the name of such an important item, taking the risk of confusing some players?" if yes, then finding a fitting name isn't hard.
radiant meadow
perhaps
hollow shell
Sounds good
sinful violet
Besides the excessive formatting and the fact that we can just read the first line and get the gist of it, I'd agree thomas.
radiant meadow
unless you add chaotic bars?
sand umbra
...I
hollow shell
Chaotic Bars would work yeah
radiant pivot
I like that idea
hollow shell
Also don't diss proper elaboration Mrrp
(remove the bit about EE though.
I assume you're already doin that but I jsut wanna make sure)
sand umbra
(the sugg is between the lines a)
radiant meadow
he would just put what's between the lines
sand umbra
radiant meadow
read between the lines
sinful violet
Also renaming an item or rather, just one word from it won't exactly confuse players. It'd be worth it imo
sand umbra
also I've tested Blade of Enmity myself and it wasn't exactly fantastic against Plantera before I messed with its stats
radiant meadow
I just like the alliteration and connection to the mod's name as a central/powerful material
lost agate
Core of confusion
sand umbra
I doubt it's any better at a tier where trying to true melee just nukes you
radiant meadow
it's usable for duke fishron pretty sure
hollow shell
post-Yharon?
radiant meadow
true melee is constantly an enigma to balance with
sand umbra
but primarily while he's standing still, which doesn't help you for shit in phase 3 because that's the point where he stops staying still 
radiant meadow
you swing and he flies above you
zealous ridge
enmity was good for me on... i believe it helped me out a lot dealing with regular enemies, lunatic cultist, and i think it worked somewhat with pbg? i cant remember exactly but im fairly sure it was good for it's tier
sand umbra
LC with true melee is a good meme
zealous ridge
what
zealous ridge
pbg moves around hella lot
foggy plover
ultimus cleaver is better at that point
sand umbra
that too
zealous ridge
but it helped me out with dealing with the chargers iirc
radiant meadow
but blade is an option if you opt out on ravager
zealous ridge
the -bringers are easy to kill with emnity too
i do think part of it is that emnity's gimmick is that it really doesn't have one
its just a hard hitting decent length sword
with a debuff
radiant meadow
it's like a smaller, stronger omniblade iirc
zealous ridge
yeah, that's something i noticed during my playthrough
sand umbra
still
a lot of bosses post-Golem move around a lot which keeps Enmity from being entirely practical at all
I figured it might be better suited and more thematically appropriate for Enmity to be an Ashes of Calamity craft post-Clone
that way it can help deal with Abyss enemies, Plantera, and the post-Plantera Dungeon on the horizon
sinful violet
Could scale down the animus’ rng effect.
zealous ridge
it was literally just shorter higher dps omni
zealous ridge
i somehow like that less Mrrp
radiant meadow
and rng is part of animus' charm
zealous ridge
no he means that we take that gimmick from animus and scale it down for emnity
radiant meadow
oh I see
zealous ridge
and i dont like that because damage variance is already enough as is
sand umbra
...I sorta want to do this now
zealous ridge
if you have a chance, you only have like 1-2 seconds to land strikes
hollow shell
m
Normal enemies are better to true melee against than bosses
and there is a lot more enemy interaction at post-Plant/Cal than there is post-Golem
... well yknow I say that but the Celestial Events exist
sand umbra
that's a bit far post-Golem though
radiant meadow
martian memes?
sand umbra
and by that point chances are you have better things to take on the Events with
radiant meadow
ooa
hollow shell
indeed. indeed.
There's more exploratory enemy interactions post-Cal/Plant
Post-Golem's full of events
sand umbra
besides OOA T3 isn't enemy interaction it's sitting there with Statis' Blessing for 5 minutes with Lightning Auras active
zealous ridge
maybe animus's idea could be scaled down and worked into something more consistent
sand umbra
radiant meadow
I think I made some of the later enemies immune to temporal sadness
radiant meadow
like drakins and etherian wyverns
zealous ridge
like mayhaps the more you hit an enemy with it, the more emnity's damage is scaled up temporarily?
that would be cool i think but like
idk
hollow shell
Combo
sand umbra
in any event, is the sugg good to go maybe?
zealous ridge
yes, i like it...
hollow shell
You could add a lil note that Chaotic Bars could be added if moving tiers is not preferable
zealous ridge
^
sand umbra
fair
I still feel like around Clone/Plantera would be a better placement just by virtue of what Enmity is, but /shrug
radiant meadow
that would mean I would have to ask testers to test it
radiant meadow
on top of stratus sphere, pride hunter's planar ripper, death mode tweaks, and more
sand umbra
if someone could tell me what the testing regulations are for weapons I could provide the statistics myself, I already have all the resources available to me--
hollow shell
There's probably a metaphor for adding more workload onto someone with an already heavy workload under the assumption that the new thing isn't that big a deal on its own
but I don't know of any such metaphors off the top of my head
sand umbra
the straw that broke the camel's back
zenith hazel
well you have to become a beta tester first
radiant meadow
I'd still prefer it be from one of the testers
but the general idea is
rev ripperless, mixed offensive/defense (like not glass cannon)
using buffs is probably a good idea
don't overbuff for early game
zenith hazel
I can take care of it if nobody else is up for it
ashen warren
zenith hazel
the thing is that there’s already a major list of rebalances that needs to be done, so it really depends if it’s necessary to throw in one small tier change
most important things of the list would be rogue weps/accs which are already doozies to test
sinful violet
too many factors
zenith hazel
so is it necessary? nah imo
sand umbra
...I think I'll just keep this to myself for now, on second thought
hollow shell
You can just suggest that it use Chaotic Bars definitely
sand umbra
clearly there are more important things for the devs/testers to tackle
hollow shell
No rebalancing required if it uses Chaotic Bars
sand umbra
m
quick ice
crafting recipe changes aren't difficult to implement, are they?
sand umbra
I'm like. half tempted to wait until after the big chungus rogue rebalance stuff finishes and the upcoming update, and then actually toss the sugg out there as a legitimate tier change for the wep
radiant meadow
you should prioritize the existing stuff rather than blade of emnity
crafting recipe changes are easy
but if it changes tiers, the weapon needs rebalancing
zenith hazel
it’s not like emnity was even meta to begin with, the rebalances are mostly centered around meta things
radiant meadow
as well as bug fixes like stratus sphere
zenith hazel
mhm
keen grail
Hey so I got an idea for an addition to death mode:
If you or all players die during an event, the event meter gets reset and you have to finish it without dying. Is that a good suggestion?
wooden wedge
IMO no
echo pond
That sounds like cancer if you get an early Pirate raid or something
wooden wedge
or any event whatsoever
hollow shell
That does sound very annoying yeah
keen grail
Well it IS death mode
hollow shell
s'not fun hard
s'just frustrating
keen grail
Would be easier in multiplayer because all players have to die similar to bosses
radiant meadow
death mode shouldn't be an annoying pain in the ass
keen grail
K then
radiant meadow
going through an entire event deathless is quite difficult without complete cheese
ashen warren
Most of the death mode changes are not fun hard
gusty geode
Survival games can't be hard without some random chance
And random chance will inevitably lead to bullshit sometimes
radiant meadow
current death mode mechanics are far less annoying than this suggestion though
ashen warren
That I can concede
left crest
if pirate was like that then I'd have an everlasting pirate invasion and get spawncamped to no end
gusty geode
I'd be down with losing a little progress for every death
Like 5-10%
But not a total reset
ashen warren
We lost this round, regroup and go again
sand umbra
Add a line to Forbidden armor's set bonus indicating that it nullifies the summon damage penalty.
❔
It doesn't display this crucial information currently despite it being one of the few inherent multiclass armors in the game, and should communicate this information to be more conducive to the buff it was given in the recent update.
small thing, but I feel it's important enough to warrant a sugg
as usual, any objections, speak now while it's still not out in the wild 
gusty geode
I don't see what there is to object to
sand umbra
still worth asking since it's kind of a habit to ensure there aren't any major objections to the suggs I make 
gusty geode
Fair
radiant meadow
the buff was a meme buff
but I could add that to the set bonus line
if I remember
sand umbra
a meme buff, but a buff nonetheless
(and a fairly powerful one given Forbidden's main gimmick)
radiant meadow
does Forbidden actually not suck then?
sand umbra
...I...still couldn't tell you that if I tried
but it's definitely more viable than it was before
(since previously the summon damage penalty effectively canceled out its main purpose, which is for summon-based multiclassing)
ashen warren
Calamity needs more multiclass armors tbh
potent veldt
Give me an armor that mixes every class but summoner
fervent citrus
Umm, crimson?
versed tundra
Astral
frail mantle
astral increases minion slots
versed tundra
Yes but it boosts all damage by a fair number
the extra minions are just because it would be "everything but summoner" if it didn't give slots
Also Blue Ω
It gives two slots and summons a "minion" as it's set bonus, but anyone can use it effectively, really.
It's not like using molten armor as any class but melee, just because it has a lot of defense: these sets work as multiclass sets because they are unique enough.
frail mantle
yea
wide flicker
Also why just exclude summoner? that seems unnecessary
versed tundra
Because they need it
Because all classes benefit from summoner weapons by definition.
ashen warren
These armors are kind of sparse though
radiant meadow
@ashen warren please add reasoning to your suggestion
radiant meadow
I see
pliant bone
Dont tell me you are actually serious about that
ashen warren
I am 100%, I hate yharon phase 1
Doesn't matter what class I use he always gives me trouble
and im guessing my new summoner run is going to make me hate yharon phase 1 even more.
frail mantle
the only real thing you mention in that suggestion about why you think he's so hard is that he deals a lot of damage
other than that it's mainly just you saying "i think he's too hard"
ashen warren
yea and I feel like phase 2 doesn't deal enough
even though he does alot of projectiles and more flamenadoes they dont really hit u
I'm not even talking about dodging, they just rarely hit you.
frail mantle
most of the suggestion is just you repeating "i think he's too hard" without ever really explaining why he's hard
you should at least explain in the suggestion itself the things you said here abut how the phase 2 projectiles are easier to dodge
ashen warren
its more of, so you know how DOG phase 2 and phase 1 is just like a giant step, phase 1 is very very easy while phase 2 is intense, it's like that but opposite for yharon
quiet abyss
That's still not a clear explanation of why exactly phase 1 feels like that. You need to be more specific.
Is it the charges? And/Or the flarenadoes/infernadoes? And in what way are they difficult to dodge?
It'd also be good to come up with an idea or two for solutions to the problem.
ashen warren
k replace phase 1 for phase 2 simple
but lets see. I really don't know why phase 1 is just so much harder then phase 2
quiet abyss
That's...a rather drastic change that's not necessary at all.
ashen warren
I'm sure you've must of seen people complain about phase 1 compared to phase 2
I've sen it quiet alot in chats
seen*
Also when I talk about yharon, I'm talking about death mode, not sure if hes insanely hard in rev or just default expert.
quiet abyss
Yes, but swapping them is still too drastic when the problem can be resolved in a simpler way, such as toning down certain aspects of phase 1 that makes it hard.
Furthermore, the way phase 2 is constructed in general makes it a far more climactic phase, especially with the final subphase. Phase 1's subphases just wouldn't fit as the climax of the fight.
frail mantle
^
ashen warren
I'd say just not make the last phases of yharon phase 1 complete BS
thats all I pretty much ask for
Those last charges are fucking dumb
frail mantle
what's bullshit about them
if you know how the subphase works they're not that hard to deal with
quiet abyss
It's not BS though. They can still be dodged, and they're not luck based.
ashen warren
Hes fast as hell, and deals tons of damage. and im using super sonic soul and hes still managing to land hits on me
quiet abyss
The problem might be that you're going too fast.
frail mantle
doesn't Yharon adjust to your speed so he's always faster than you
quiet abyss
He does, ye
pliant bone
Yharon will try to match your speed so that no matter what you do, it is faster than you
quiet abyss
Which is why it'd be better if you take the soul off so Yharon becomes a lot slower alongside you as well.
ashen warren
doing that makes the fight kinda worst
Ive tried it
hes not as fast but your gonna get hit far more often due to being slow, and the tracers arent the best
quiet abyss
Would you rather prefer him doing super speed charges that give you no time to react compared to ones that are actually reasonable?
ashen warren
Maybe just lower his damage?
by like 5%
and remove the silva armour hitting escape flamenadoes which give u 400HP because your meant to be dead either way (think this might be a glitch)
quiet abyss
When the problem is that his attacks are too hard to dodge, lowering damage is not the way to fix it.
The solution is to make the attacks easier to dodge.
But still, even in deathmode his charges are dodgable.
ashen warren
I did read the wiki and it said most of yharon's charge attacks are slow in rev/expert
but in death mode its very fast. It could be that I really just don't expect the sudden change
but that doesn't explain why phase 2 is really easy
if he deals more damage then
(according to the wiki)
quiet abyss
Why are you changing the subject to phase 2 when we're talking about phase 1?
ashen warren
like compared to providence, who I died to (at least 80 times on my first playthrough) my second one I beat her in 2/3 attemps but yharon always was at least 50
because I mentioned, that nerf phase 1 and buff phase 2?
quiet abyss
You only say nerf phase 1 in suggestion, not buffing phase 2 as well.
ashen warren
nerf phase 1
buff phase 2
Oh right you didnt read it
they told me to delete it and give more reasons
yeah my bad, should of added buff phase 2 on my other message
quiet abyss
Hmm, alright. I suppose we'll see how the suggestion is received.
ashen warren
I was gonna say u guys should make it
Supreme calamitas> Yharon but we need auric bars so nvm
quiet abyss
Though you might want to work on your reasonings a bit better.
"Phase 1 Yharon does way more stuff" is not all that true when phase 2 Yharon subphases' patterns are much longer and complex in nature.
ashen warren
Maybe, I'm just used to random crap appearing at me?
but we'll see how people agree/disagree with it
quiet abyss
Mhm, I suppose.
loud steeple
Last time I did the fight,phase 1 was the hardest
turbid pike
oops wrong channel dont mind me
1. Add some chat message when she enrages. I didn't even know you were supposed to fight her underground until I looked at the wiki, which lead to a lot of deaths. WAIT PB GOLIATH ENRAGES ON SURFACE?
frail mantle
indeed
turbid pike
I've been fighting them on the surface this whole time
Still not that hard to be fair
loud steeple
Only reason I have been doing it underground was I was to lazy to make a new arena so I just used my plant one
ashen warren
suggestions format
frail mantle
what about it
placid moth
you can buff ML but all I ask for is not to bring those invulnerable eyes back
hallow kraken
true eyes smelly
gaunt parrot
Vivid clarity needs a small buff to its mana cost
zealous ridge
Like an increase or decrease?
gaunt parrot
Decrease
zealous ridge
I’ll talk about this real quick before discussing ml
But
Hmm
I could see that, considering it works pretty differently now
gaunt parrot
It costs 69 mana per cast but it can't compete with subsuming vortex
zealous ridge
Really we’d need a dev opinion on its current mana cost
ah
It’s been a while since I used it
tepid root
nice
zealous ridge
It may not compare in simple dps tests, but if it bounces off of walls and hits a lotta guys? I suspect that part of it still means you can rack up amazing dps
Then again that’s my experience with old VC
tired haven
Did you try the vivid after the buff though?
Can't tell I did but it should compensate for the cost now, even if still high iq
zealous ridge
Do you mean to say that vivid doesn’t compensate for its mana cost or that it does currently?
tired haven
It should currently
(before it didn't, which was a fact)
zealous ridge
Ah, I understand
It used to cost around 200 mana per cast, right?
With appropriate gear
I do think it’s more interesting now, at least
So I really can’t say, kind of just the devs opinion
anyways...
I’m gonna talk about ml now lol
This is definitely one of those fights that just frustrates me and really just degraded the previous expert mode experience, I feel
I think it’s a ‘fair’ fight, but it’s quite honestly monotonous and just annoying to properly dodge
then again, the eyes are pretty wack too
That being the tEoCs
tired haven
I don't recall vivid cost like 200 but it did deplete mana bar about 6-8 times faster than ssv
Also ml is so picky boss that changing it to a proper fight will take entirely new design ngl
zealous ridge
maybe closer to like 150 ye
tired haven
150 base, and about 80 in gear, right
tepid root
just use infernum ml ez
zealous ridge
So it’s challenging to figure out how to make him a nicer boss
tired haven
ML in two sentences
tries to force you into his position
set of attacks designed precisely to destroy anyone who is in that position
So you just have to runngun everytime
zealous ridge
I don’t... entirely agree
ashen warren
lol infernum
zealous ridge
there’s like 2 attacks that are lethal at longer ranges
but generally that’s the rule yeah
ashen warren
yes dont go above
tepid root
those bolts can be lethal
ashen warren
or the eyes
tepid root
sometimes
zealous ridge
Phantasmal eyes are the other ones
tepid root
wot
ashen warren
what
zealous ridge
I hate those things ended my attempts way too much
ashen warren
no more true eyes dude
zealous ridge
Wait the spheres
tired haven
Bolts are far more lethal on low-med distance unless you can bait them (and at that skill level ml becomes fair boss)
tepid root
spheres are also just run away doe 
tired haven
Spheres are easier to avoid when you run from them since relative speed of them is lower
zealous ridge
that’s true
ashen warren
?
pliant bone
Eyebol spheres
tired haven
Lines of eyebols in p1 and circles of them in p2
ashen warren
circles?
zealous ridge
~~ of course the strategy there is just to run without turning around~~
ashen warren
i dont recall
pliant bone
Just remove the eye tracking lasers and start reworking from there.
zealous ridge
The line of eyeballs, yeah
tired haven
Ack, gotta go screenshot then
tepid root
tired haven
ashen warren
kk
tired haven
Sprime was nerfed in that update iirc
it's probes that are hard don't @ me
ashen warren
everything about prime is hard
pliant bone
Isnt the entire ML fight rn just "Phase 1 but Phase 2 is the same exact thing but you only damage the heart"
ashen warren
not just probes
tired haven
Also mechs being harder than "alts" is mildly intended, so mhm
ashen warren
but sprime should at least be easier thant the post plant bosses
tired haven
And maybe
I didn't pay much attention to ml since rework
ashen warren
so far up to dog sprime took me more than twice the attempts of any other boss
pliant bone
The thing about sprime is that, it is hard to either make it a challenging boss that isnt unfair or not a trivial boss
tired haven
So basically, AIs that stick to you instead of following behind are hard 
More of a joke but still
also judging by nohit attempts isn't exactly fair. with that measure polter was 3rd hardest boss for me, when it was sitting duck in reality
ashen warren
It’s not as much of an issue now but I remember when Skele Prime was always faster than you and when he spun he got up your ass and shot laser rings
my people, I believe they agree wtih me
So yeah, I'm not the only one who hates phase 1 :3
zenith hazel
if this was death mode p1 then I'd agree, but if it's rev p1 then no, he's definitely fair in rev
zenith hazel
the amount of space you have in death compared to rev is substantially minimal, and this is detrimental to you as a player if you don't know how to properly bait 2 infernadoes so that you still have enough space to dodge 4 consecutive charges
ashen warren
Bro im talking about my one, not his and im talking about death mode
I dunno what hes even talking about
hes talking about ML
zenith hazel
I am talking about yharon, what
zenith hazel
so am I
ashen warren
then you are a epic gamer
zenith hazel
but otherwise, rev p1 is fair
ashen warren
Im guessing hes easier on rev since his charges arent fast as fuck (but in death mode they are)
I haven't actually played a full rev playthrough so i wouldn't know only seen it on the wiki
zenith hazel
honestly, keep the 4 consecutive fast charges but let him spawn 1 flarenado + 1 infernado at a time
and p2's already hard as it is especially with the recently lengthened subphase 8
zenith hazel
cool
civic gust
phase one is pretty easy once you get the hang of it
and as long as you have drew's wings and not tracers
and have a proper arena and gear
ashen warren
"proper arena"
marble mirage
how do you have drew's wings before killing p1 yharon
ashen warren
I don't like flexing with my arena but even with it, I still found this fight complete hell
here's how you cheat yharon
marble mirage
well, off they go back to being just a celestial tracers material again
ashen warren
disable calamity, and get soul of dimensions
zealous ridge
yharon is just a badly designed boss don’t @ me
Seriously though, I don’t like yharon in almost every capacity besides aesthetics
Easily my least favorite post ml boss
And polterghast was batty, too, but actually fun to take on
ashen warren
I love polty
zealous ridge
Yeah, batty as in difficult
But it was really fun for me
Yharon is ultra punishing duke fishron that makes really annoying tornado walls across the arena
And the p2 fireballs are wack as hell
And detonating flames are just dumb in that they’re either not a threat at all or potentially dangerous depending on literally rng and bad movement tracking
Not only is it a fight that already feels like another vanilla one, it has some really weird design choices that just make the fight borderline unfun for the average player
This has been my experience over 3 playthroughs
That’s how I feel about yharon
so like, p1 nerf I would be okay with
But I want to push for this guy to get more attention gameplay wise
civic gust
yharon was perhaps my favourite post-ml fight after dog (and maybe even scal?)
sand umbra
Yharon feels really strange to me
maybe one of these days I'll actually care enough to sit down and fight him a bunch of times to really analyze what all he has going for and against him
turbid pike
^
DoG is by far my favourite for the fight post-ML because the song especially
And it was the first post-ML boss to give me trouble in my first playthrough
Yharon is my favourite in design tho
ashen warren
At least with Scal the projectiles have an understandable pattern
teal ibex
yharon has and always will be a positioning fight, that's really the difficulty of it all
and while that's fairly different from the typical terraria bossfight, it's also not really gonna resonate with everybody like, at all
that being said, there's literally no concrete information in the suggestion i'm reading. it's just "yharon phase 1 is dumb and yharon phase 2 isn't. i win in the second one way more, so nerf the first one"
ashen warren
yes
teal ibex
i'm assuming some more specifics came up in conversations here but it'd be nice if those were added to the suggestion
teal ibex
that's
hollow shell
That's not how this works
quiet abyss
^
ashen warren
teal ibex
"some people already agree with me, so the other 100 should be confused and not certain of my exact point"
sand umbra
what exactly is unfair about Yharon's fight
hollow shell
You don't give em anything to work with
sand umbra
I don't ask this as an implication that the whole thing is fair btw
I ask this as an assertion that I don't fight Yharon enough to know what specifically is unfair about him
ashen warren
Bout to say, you thought phase 1 was fair?
teal ibex
honestly if you take yharon apart from my experiences, the two core issues are that his weaknesses are counterintuitive, and that rng can play a substantial factor in the fight if you're uninformed on the exact patterning (which most people are, since it's a looooong pattern)
if you don't know when to position yourself, or where, then the nados are going to be a huge thorn in your fights for large portions of it because you don't know better and might get one that literally halves the room available for you to be fighting in
alternatively, you can get the sequence to line up nicely for you and suddenly the nado is in a corner where it chops off like 5% of the given space
sand umbra
everyone gangsta until a single 'nado devours 90% of your arena space
teal ibex
and unless you were to memorize the patterning of the attacks, you'll basically just be rolling dice in that regard
ashen warren
I mean dying from the flamenados is just a beginners mistake (talking about the anti-escape one) I understand those are fair, That one flamenado which is only in phase 1?
Flamenadoes in phase 2 were massive but never had a impact on me
hollow shell
Nah not the border infernadoes
teal ibex
do you mean the splitting nados?
ashen warren
No Im talking about the one thomas was talking about
the flamenadoes that pretty much cover half of your arena
teal ibex
that is also what i was talking about
in fact, i explicitly mentioned the case of it cutting your arena space in half 
ashen warren
That's phase 2 isn't it?
hollow shell
(If you wanna be exact, the Flarenados are the small ones that split up and travel horizontally for a while
Infernados are the giant ones which have every other piece disappear)
No
Phase 1 has infernados
ashen warren
See now thats why I don't understand why is he slower and his flamenados not that much scary in phase 2
Then yes fuck phase 1
teal ibex
it's not that he's slower
ashen warren
if its phase 1 then yeah I got hit by it.
hollow shell
nice logic lol
teal ibex
like i mentioned, if you're aware of the patterning there's zero issue because you just shove the projectile to the side of the arena and you're good
but that's unintuitive and not particularly fun
ashen warren
unenjoyable
tired haven
Right now it looks more like your bias than actual issue, ngl
I want to believe your point but I see nothing really that proves it
Fun is subjective
ashen warren
I mean at this point It kinda does look like bias, I actually was surprised seeing people have trouble from phase 2
hollow shell
Again, it'd really help if you provided specifics and reasons
Rather than death statistics and keep sayin it ain't fun/fair
teal ibex
they're referring in particular to the big flare tornado which spawns in subphase 2 and 3
it happens after every 6th charge in sp2, and every 7th in sp3
ashen warren
LIke I would say phase 1 was such a pain in the ass with silva armour, because I was mage and with melee that didn't really happen but that's not really a problem just me not knowing how to use a class.
teal ibex
it is spawned from a projectile which, though unintuitive, can be manipulated to place the tornado in an advantageous location
that's the crux of the issue here afaik, and i also don't really like that attack, but it's certainly not unfair
ashen warren
To beat yharon for the first time I had to make a insanely large arena and this enraged him a couple of times but I still won
hollow shell
Yharon obliterated my ass but that may be because I played a more reactionary game against him
Dodged whatever came my way
along with memorizing his dash amounts & lengths without even wanting to just because it took so many tried
Never thought to try and position the infernado along the edges
ashen warren
But my new bloody arena wasnt even that big and he was still enraged half of the time.
ashen warren
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/643223292123152384/676139123815481394/unknown-3.png?width=532&height=325 I made a new layer after 10 deaths
teal ibex
underground 
ashen warren
Phase 1 is really the reason why i believe yharon is the hardest boss in calamity
hollow shell
My arena was as big as I could make it
tired haven
You do know that too many platforms harms you, right?
ashen warren
if his phase 1 was swapped with phase 2 (but making it a bit easier in phase 1 ofc) then I wouldn't mind
because phase 2 is meant to be hard just like DOGS phase 2
hollow shell
I partially agree because it kills your downward momentum
but also it makes it harder to travel through infernados if you don't have as many
ashen warren
And yes I done it underground
Also used sniperscope to TP which is kinda illegal in a class only playthrough
tired haven
In my typical yharon fights there is 1, 2 maximum
Infernadoes gaps like to desync their position from platforms anyway so it isn't that much helpful aside from preserving more flight time
ashen warren
Like i feel like yharon should be nerfed even a bit (also give summoners a easier time)
since, i'm playing summoner currently and oho im sure death mode phase 1 yharon is going to make me cry from how much people i've seen complain about yharon with summoner.
teal ibex
THAT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING LOL
mechworm makes phase 1 yharon the hardest boss in the game
you have only seconds of opportunity to deal real damage and, unless you have rippers, it'll hardly count at all
ashen warren
oh I haven't gotten to yharon yet
this is based of my experience of melee and mage and ranger
lost agate
Well this to me sounds like yharon punishes natural playing, and everytime you get a strat to dodge smth another things fucks it, which is uh...
hallow kraken
ah yes, p1 yharon summoner
teal ibex
yeah that's the issue with it shucks
positioning imo is cool to do in a bossfight but it's just like
too different?
hallow kraken
mechworm has low smarts and you can’t use anything else
hollow shell
I feel like having a boss require that kind of skill is definitely cool and a change of pace
teal ibex
so most people just get dumpstered for no reason because of how every other boss operates
ashen warren
summons in general is bad
hollow shell
considering literally every other boss in the game
lost agate
Positioning boss shouldnt be done by having a bazillion things to care of
lost agate
One can only focus on so many things at once while being constantly rammed
And if putting a tornado aside is more important than dodging the boss well...
fervent citrus
I was gonna wait for more people to go online so i can ask around for a sugg, but now that there are people, i completely forgot what i was gonna ask 
ashen warren
I find his charges a huge problem
hallow kraken
My problem with p1 yharon is that it’s a fight that expects you to have enough space to dodge its light speed charges but also decreases the amount of space you have to dodge with oversized tornadoes
ashen warren
^
fervent citrus
^
ashen warren
like once hes at 10% its a huge problem
you need to bloody attack him or die
because phase 2 is pretty chill and relaxing
just dodge the flamenadoes, and some of his small attacks.
teal ibex
i mean that's also phase 1 but okie
lost agate
So pretty much yharon is an asshole of a boss in a sort of speech
ashen warren
Yharon is a asshole yes
lost agate
Where he literally lures you into smth then punishes for doing so
ashen warren
and people who have done nohit death mode yharon are gods
teal ibex
i mean once you know yharon's weakness it's honestly not that hard
it's just finding that weakness that creates tragedies
teal ibex
well yes but with other bosses usually there's some leeway
with yharon it's such an enormous gap of success
ashen warren
I really havent found his weakness
it took me 80 times to even beat providence without a sweat I can beat her easily at this point
but yharon no no no
teal ibex
the weakness for yharon is that you can manipulate his nados by knowing his pattern
teal ibex
after every 7th dash, move to the edge of the arena
lost agate
But not everyone wants to master a pattern just to finish a run
hollow shell
(oh yeah as I was sayin earlier)
If there was some way in-game for you to learn how to do Yharon or have some previous experience with that kind of strategy, that'd help
tired haven
Fishron
teal ibex
i mean there is an in-game tell through the unique projectile but it's like
so hard to tell LOL
tired haven
lost agate
Theres a projectile for the tornado yes
ashen warren
I actually haven't even fought fishron, hes pretty insane in death mode (pre moon lord)
fervent citrus
Oh, ive suddenly remembered my question
fossil violet
I've been trying to kill Yharon p1 for 2 days now. And I agree with everything said above. Also imo the instakill flamenadoes should be a different sprite or be permanently a different color then the normal flamenadoes because I have issues telling them apart. That might just be me tho.
sand umbra
the Arena Infernadoes are supposed to be rainbow, I think
ashen warren
I agree
sand umbra
except they're rainbow-but-not-really
hollow shell
I'm talkin more like
rework Bumblebirb to no longer be a fucked up Mothron
and give it some really clear telegraphs before some major area-denial attacks
like it shoots a slow-ass lightning orb that creates a big ole charged space/pillar for a while
teal ibex
yeah that'd honestly help a lot with yharon i think
hollow shell
(Bumblebirb used to be in Yharon Phase 2)
teal ibex
slowing down the infernado projectile, making it stand out way way more
fervent citrus
Who uses clam armor in their pts and who doesnt? I was thinking of suggesting the armor could be early prehm rogue armor instead, considering most people i know dont use it in its current part in-game
lost agate
Ok im back
fervent citrus
Yep
lost agate
What i was saying is
fossil violet
They are supposed to be rainbow and I know that but with the orange lighting makes the color barely distinguishable.
tired haven
There are like 4 early prehm armors
You mean hm?
ashen warren
ah yes my favourite boss supreme calm
tepid root
clamity
fervent citrus
Nah, altho ye there are lots of early prehm armors as it is 
sand umbra
Mollusk armor is classless-sorta-maybe-but-also-vaguely-summoner
lost agate
Theres a difference between telling a tornado is coming and telling you need to move to a side to have any sort of fair pattern
ashen warren
cough hectique
teal ibex
well i think once you know you can manipulate a tornado it's fairly intuitive that you should move them to the sides
but yeah the telegraph is extremely lacking as a whole
hollow shell
Yeah having the border infernados not color cycle and just be permanently "blue" (and therefore really dark with the orange filter) would be good
teal ibex
and frankly, it's a really awkward crux of a fight to begin with
fossil violet
@hollow shell exactly
teal ibex
that's correct
lost agate
Ok fine you could theoritically say its intuitive to go to the side
tired haven
Not every fight is supposed to be simple to pick up either, on the contrary
ashen warren
blue would be cool
hollow shell
You can make that suggestion, Runikkal
lost agate
But what happens if yharon tps in the way
teal ibex
rng
ashen warren
teleports?
teal ibex
you were slain...
ashen warren
One thing I dont like about using ROD or normality
hollow shell
Don't call it clam armor
ashen warren
is that when I teleport I randomly get hit by "yharons charge" his fire balls or flamenadoes
sand umbra
You were slain...
(dropped an egregious amount of platinum, 18 gold, 8 silver and 1 copper)
hollow shell
call it Mollusk
ashen warren
thats why i never use ROD while fighting yharon
even with sniper scope which allows me to move my mouse almost out of bounds (of my screen)
so im not even sure why the hell im geting hit
teal ibex
i mean, if you're using sniper scope specifically to teleport then it would make sense you get hit since you're teleporting to a place you wouldn't otherwise see
it's generally risky to do that in yharon and scal though, and i think it's intentionally that way
fervent citrus
k, imma call it mollusk :P
ashen warren
it makes it worst that the screen goes black for like 0.2 seconds
Scal not really
I don't see SCAL as a hard boss tbh..
fervent citrus
cuz i cant really remember the name cuz i never even obtained it
ashen warren
haha let me just go play those bullet hell games I have on my steam account
and then play calamity again, yeah SCAL wouldn't be hard after
she has very simple patterns
teal ibex
i mean, you don't really deal with clunky physics in bullet hell games
ashen warren
I would say that SCAL is overwhelming at first but after shes a breeze (in like 10 attempts u get used to it quicjly)
quickly*
tired haven
teal ibex
for you
ashen warren
like i said
teal ibex
it's like that for you, a bullet hell player
teal ibex
you also said "after 10 attempts u get used to it"
ashen warren
heavenly mode is BS
ashen warren
well I am the main character of terraria so ofc
teal ibex
protagonist syndrome smh
anyway you should probably mention the big flame tornado's being unintuitive in your suggestion and say that they punish new players by halving their arena space
ashen warren
unrelated but why do people get so scared from the bloodstone monsters (the moon)
Yea I wasn't really thinking I just woke up by the time I said that tbh.
tired haven
go re-read the rest then and make corrections 
ashen warren
rip
but I did hear that phase 2 yharon was nerfed alot, why was that?
like he was 10X harder then the current yharon
current phase 2 yharon*
teal ibex
old yharon p2 was very spammy and hardly had anything to do with yharon itself
the meta strategy was to fly in enormous circles so that the projectiles just didn't matter
i literally died to it dozens of times, only to just have an attempt where i fly around in huge circles succeed first try
it wasn't very good. 
ashen warren
Fabsol most likely can't do this, but would it be possible if you could make it so summons were more aggressive?
teal ibex
somebody made a suggestion about that already iirc
fossil violet
Imo Yharon is in desperate need of a rework, It feels dated on both gameplay and visuals. I know that takes time and there are things of higher priority, but he deserves some better treatment.
distant gyro
visuals are already being worked on
fossil violet
That's good
distant gyro
although I don't think I've seen progress on that for a long time
mainly seeing a million updates on levi resprite
fossil violet
I believe I saw some W.I.P sprite for Yharon a pretty long time ago, but I'm pretty sure his sprite wasn't changed since they made him actually orange and not white
hollow shell
He was never white iirc
fossil violet
What
hollow shell
He used to be a nice bubblegum pink tho
hollow shell
You're prolly thinking of the removed extra boss yeah
fossil violet
Bruh
hollow shell
And yes he's getting a big resprite eventually
Leviathan currently has priority but we'll get to Yharon afterward
distant gyro
I would look for the wip yharon resprite but too lazy
hollow shell
anyway I hope this convo has been useful to you in articulating what isn't fair about Yharon, @ashen warren
If you could add some of these points to your sugg that'd be nice for making this whole convo not be a waste
ashen warren
kk
ashen warren
LOL
I was gonna say it but I got the
this message is longer then 2000 words
so what now gamers?
tired haven
If you remove lots of flavor it should fit 👀
gray nebula
ah yes yharon my favourite japanese dragon
gray nebula
not really and it's very close to red
ashen warren
make it bright pink
gray nebula
especially with the intense orange shader
gray nebula
way easier to see and also makes sense because the hotter the fire is, the brighter it gets
gray nebula
ah yes pink jungle
ashen warren
yes yes
gray nebula
smh trying to get your weeb color in
ashen warren
just paint your world pink
If anything providences flames need a color change
xD
u mean the anti-heals?
What, I do is just dont get hit
I don't risk it since they look the same
gray nebula
also that's kinda multiple suggestions at once and not formatted very well
ashen warren
and I agree it should be changed
they told me to add what they said into the suggestion
All of em, transparent orange flames against an orange background does not look good.
hollowed biome?
or is that hell
Hollow
I fight her in hollow
oh
maybe make the fire bright pink
well
like its hard to explan
gray nebula
you're suggesting to nerf flamenadoes but also to buff yharon summoner and also to change the color of the instakill nadoes
gray nebula
yes but that's 3 suggestions in one
ashen warren
and?
ashen warren
What you want me to send 3 separate messages?
frail mantle
you should only have one suggestion in each message
hollow idol
yes
gray nebula
"Putting more than 1 items into one post in #suggestions-voting is a bad idea.
If a person likes one of the items in that suggestion, but dislikes other items, then either of these two will happen:
1.) That person will be forced to star all items in that one suggestion post, giving devs the wrong idea. The devs would be wondering which item people actually want, and which one people don't want, cause all items have the same amount of stars due to all being one post.
2.) The person won't star it cause they don't want to star something they don't like."
queen sail
Or you just send the suggestion that matters the most
ashen warren
Leon, to be fair they told me to add what they said into the message
hmm alright, resonable.
gray nebula
replace item with ideas because the pin dates all the way back to when sis were allowed
frail mantle
Putting more than 1 items into one post in #suggestions-voting is a bad idea.
If a person likes one of the items in that suggestion, but dislikes other items, then either of these two will happen:
1.) That person will be forced to star all items in that one suggestion post, giving devs the wrong idea. The devs would be wondering which item people actually want, and which one people don't want, cause all items have the same amount of stars due to all being one post.
2.) The person won't star it cause they don't want to star something they don't like.
ashen warren
"sis"?
frail mantle
from the pins
gray nebula
also more summoner weapons are already planned
specific item suggestions
they got banned because almost none of them got accepted
frail mantle
^
ashen warren
gray nebula
(some of them are getting added into the mod now lol)
and also I disagree with yharon's flarenadoes being unfair
frail mantle
most of them were people wanting the devs to add their uwu exoblade 2.3 with fifteen billion effects and nineteen ways to eat your asshole rather than things they thought would improve the mod
lost agate
Kinky