suggestions-discussion

[sand umbra]

Ice Golems are. not particularly difficult to evade

I do sorta wish they had more engaging AI

[tired haven]

Talk about sand eles then

[sand umbra]

Sand Elementals get like

a pass, sorta

and it's primarily because Sandstorms are some bitchass motherfuckers to go through what with DUNE SPLICERS everywhere amongst other atrocities

also because there are 2 billion enemies on screen at any given time

[hollow shell]

Sand Elementals' design is fine

[sand umbra]

but with Ice Golems it's just the normal enemy count

you're much more likely to encounter them alone or with a very small group of trash enemy companions

there's no beefy spawn rates or meme-tier enemy combos, it's just ice golem. and some other ice enemies maybe

you would think they'd have slightly more engaging AI than just lasers and walk to compensate

[ancient widget]

ice golem is literally just an eyezor from the solar eclipse

but bigger

[sand umbra]

ye

eyezor but lorge

[teal ibex]

eyezor but bigger and if it hits you you might as well stop playing the game for the next 2 minutes and also i want to throw myself out a window

[potent veldt]

Also Ice Golem's sprite is worse than Golem's

Alright, you know what

[sand umbra]

it just freezes you in place and keeps you frozen in place as it slowly lasers you to death

meme

[loud cloak]

Lol

[teal ibex]

as much as i hate ice golem you can't remove it from spawn pools because too much relies on it (both vanilla and crossmod) so you'd be better off axing that part

[potent veldt]

Eh fine

[sand umbra]

just more reasons to give Frost Cores a use beyond Frost armor and Kekvin Catalyst

[potent veldt]

Even then

Why would I fight Ice Golem for them

[sand umbra]

also imma snag this idea just in case it doesn't get through

you'd fight an Ice Golem for them because Cryo is beefy and an actual boss now

[storm latch]

ice golem roast session

[potent veldt]

I've honestly never had much of a problem with Cryo

[sand umbra]

even with new Cryo?

[potent veldt]

Never enough of a problem where I felt the need to go for a weird off-line armor

Nope

[sand umbra]

also

one other thing:

Ice Golems are the only thing which can drop Ice Feathers

[potent veldt]

I forgot Ice Feathers were a thing

[sand umbra]

the Frozen Wings mat

I'm kinda surprised if you forgot they existed

[potent veldt]

In calamity, they aren't all that great without Frost Armor anyway

[sand umbra]

shows how much Frozen Wings have fallen off the meta charts since the wing augments

[potent veldt]

Why would I use Frozen wings over other wing sets

[radiant meadow]

superior mobility?

[tired haven]

Mobility, which is like exact reason one uses wings in first place

[radiant meadow]

besides fin wings maybe

[potent veldt]

Even with it having a good chunk more flight time and speed, I'd unironically use Angel/Demon wings over them because they're easier to obtain, and give a better stat change

[radiant meadow]

but those are meme to obtain

iirc, angel/demon wings have like garbage mobility

but again

[potent veldt]

The worst

[queen delta]

cryonic bars make the armor, not frigid bars

[radiant meadow]

it's all up to preference

[teal ibex]

leaf wings

[radiant meadow]

frigid bars make frost armor

[teal ibex]

especially in calamity, with the wicked dollars, leaf wings are just like sick

[radiant meadow]

cryonic bars make daedalus armor

[tired haven]

p2l wings

[potent veldt]

'

[queen delta]

oh never knew that recipe existed

[potent veldt]

Either way, they're locked behind Cryogen

[empty geyser]

On second thought, that is a good idea.

[potent veldt]

A boss that already gives Frost Cores

Cryogen's existence just makes fighting Ice Golem for anything disappointing and dumb

[empty geyser]

Mhm.

[sand umbra]

see I always knew that recipe existed

[potent veldt]

It exists along with the original adam/titan recipe

[sand umbra]

I also know that you can use Titanium/Adamantite Bars for the same armor

[potent veldt]

Which, idk why I'd do that, tbh

Just use Adam/Titan armor

[sand umbra]

tbf

it isn't worth Frigid Bars either

[potent veldt]

^^^

The armor's not even all that great

[sand umbra]

Frost armor is weird

[tired haven]

It's for bootleg rangers

[sand umbra]

it grants melee and ranged damage yet by each class' nature you can only deal one damage type at once

[potent veldt]

It's especially not good enough to give valid reason to go out of my way to farm an annoying miniboss for it

Instead of just progressing

[tired haven]

forbidden

[sand umbra]

Forbidden armor got buffed to null the summon penalty and actually has a reason to grant dual-class bonuses

Frost armor literally cannot function in that department because of how melee and ranger work

[potent veldt]

Yeah, especially with how Summoner still can be a side thing you have going while spamming magic

That is feasible, as you don't control Summons, obviously

[tired haven]

Or you could, just, yknow, switch between the two classes for meta weps out of both

[potent veldt]

Try swinging a sword while shooting a rifle

That's what Frost Armor wants you to do

[sand umbra]

but why would you do that for inferior boosts to either

[raven plover]

😮

[sand umbra]

class-specific sets or the HM ore sets can provide superior boosts to either weapon than Frost armor can and would do more overall

[raven plover]

calamity eye was moved to the crags

[potent veldt]

No reason to discuss that here

[ashen warren]

I always choose frost armor over Titanium even though I always play one specific class

[tired haven]

Because throwing kelvin to switch to chloro megashark becomes decent mix
I mean, yeah, speccing in single class is superior just as it should be, but you get less variety

[sand umbra]

...so you get maybe more damage out of a boomerang-rangerwep combo

[tired haven]

Not necessarily even kelvin

[potent veldt]

boomer combo

[tired haven]

It's just one good memee

Okay, gotta put it other way: imagine using exactly 1 weapon for every need ever
2 weapons with slightly less damage but different niches are better than 1 good scaled weapon, usually

[potent veldt]

Then

Use different weapon types from the same class

[tired haven]

You'd stumble upon smaller variety

so?

[potent veldt]

I mean, yeah, but that's still more damage

With enough variety to get by

I unironically think the only class that would touch Frost is melee, not even ranger needs it

Ranger has no reason to touch variety, just get different bullets or something

Melee, I get it, but even then

You're playing melee

A lack of variety is part of the class, tbh

[tired haven]

Not that much more damage, to counter the fact that some weapons cover what your whole class of choice cannot

Anyway, I'm not sure how to convince you that frost armor isn't worthless if the argument about single class spec is being pushed

[sand umbra]

I want to believe you

[tired haven]

People can play multiclass with something that is not summoner

[sand umbra]

but, and I cannot stress this enough:

non-summoner classes do not work as well when combined as summoner does with other classes

[potent veldt]

I never said you couldn't multiclass

It's just generally not that great of an idea, under most situations

Especially in Calamity

[tired haven]

You do imply it's inferior choice

[sand umbra]

not only is non-summoner multiclassing inherently weaker than summoner-oriented multiclassing

[tired haven]

When it's situational but not worse

[sand umbra]

the people that would do it...well

I doubt they're going to care enough to get Frost in the first place

[ashen warren]

People think frost armor as bad for single class?

[potent veldt]

It is.

It's worse than just using Adam/Titan, or Deadulus

[ashen warren]

Man I’m out of all of the loops

[sand umbra]

because other armors can provide more useful boosts for single classes and for dualclass or triclass memes with varied setpieces

[ashen warren]

Daedalus I get

[potent veldt]

Adam/Titan provides more bonuses for any individual class.

Also, Multiclass isn't bad.

[ashen warren]

Well Calamity pushes hard against multi class

[potent veldt]

There's just a reason for why Demonshade is usually ignored in favor of keeping your Auric Tesla set

[tired haven]

(certainly not because auric gives you the same damage boost while not cucking your survivability to 0)

[sand umbra]

[ashen warren]

/\

[gusty geode]

Multi-class is just kinda ignored
Is the problem imo

[ashen warren]

Yeah, because multiclass is punished by Calamity

[potent veldt]

I'd be down for multiclass becoming a focused option

[sand umbra]

Auric Tesla be like
"I'll give you all the damage boosts you could ever want AND you won't have to worry about dying~"

[potent veldt]

That'd be an interesting concept

[ashen warren]

Anyway I only play single class yet I always use frost armor because f r o s t b u r n

[zealous ridge]

I feel the problem is partially that every damn weapon has to be “viable” for bosses and bosses are designed with projectiles in mind so everything has to be a projectile

[sand umbra]

...except Frostburn's usefulness falls off in Hardmode

[ashen warren]

Calamity adds mostly bosses

And when people say add events Calamity is just like

[tired haven]

That's mostly an issue with true memee and summoner, though I see the point

[ashen warren]

No

[zealous ridge]

Yeah, and that’s a bit of a problem In my eyes, at least

[sand umbra]

true melee gets the shaft hard because of the projectile focus, ye

which is funny because Calamity makes a variety of moves to make it relevant

...aaaaand I've already said too much and expect someone to come in here and scream at me soon

[zealous ridge]

you have to make it borderline broken to get close to make it viable at all

[sand umbra]

[tired haven]

Yep

[zealous ridge]

I have a few of my own ideas for doing that in my own mods

[tired haven]

I think old stellar striker depicted it pretty well

[zealous ridge]

definitely

[lost agate]

Take it this way

Solar dash, from the solar armor, a melee armor, literally discourages ramming onto enemies since you lose the ability to dash by doing so

So.

[sand umbra]

Solar Flare dash is wack

[tired haven]

[zealous ridge]

mhm it’s designed itself into a box

[sand umbra]

time to add that to my priority list: making the Solar Flare dash not fuck you for using it

[zealous ridge]

Basically, it’s a mobilty option AND a tanking option

So it’s like, broken up in a weird way

[ashen warren]

What if shield dashes granted iframes

[tired haven]

just like every iframe in dashes it will make it worse

(at least before it's fixed, since it wasn't)

[zealous ridge]

well dashes aren’t exclusive to melee anyways

so like, it would help but it may make other classes inadvertently stronger

[tired haven]

I mean, as soon as you bash with valor into levi you'd be even more discouraged with close combat engagement

Rn no iframes on solar is for the good

[zealous ridge]

Ye

my idea for making close range melee good again was always to make a new mechanic that compliments it

But like, y’all have other things to do

As in devs

and it would probably be a bit too specific of a suggestion

If I were to make one

[tired haven]

The main problem with buffing true memee by new mechanic (which likely will affect survivability) is that either other classes will be able to abuse it to the point they benefit more than TM, or it would be extremely arbitrary, to the point when it doesn't look fun or useful

[sand umbra]

true melee already has a unique mechanic

[tired haven]

Not sure if much can be done to both prevent keeping a plain sword in inventory and actually encourage that playstyle on bosses

[zealous ridge]

mhm I’m trying to be careful of that in my mod

[tired haven]

Rage gen falls under "not useful" sadly

[sand umbra]

byeah that's what I was gonna bring up

[ashen warren]

Well my thought is you gain a benefit if a true melee weapon is held AND you are wearing a melee armor

[zealous ridge]

ive got this whole secondary accessory single slot called augments but I will not go into detail

[sand umbra]

true melee already gets Rage except Rage is an utter meme

[zealous ridge]

Yeah I don’t like melee being the rage class, so to speak

[sand umbra]

(though it became better with the fact that it no longer dies if you get hit while it is active)

[tired haven]

byeah

[zealous ridge]

Because every class can “technically” use rage

[tired haven]

That's also true

(unless like, everyone gets deprived of rage and melee loses adren to become that one unique rage class, kekw)

[zealous ridge]

Yeah adren is a boss mechanic moreso

While rage... well, I have ideas for that too

Where it would basically be like... each class has a unique “true strike” that can build rage

And I’m thinking that the true strikes encourage the general play style of the class

[potent veldt]

I think Rage would be better and more interesting if it specifically had it's own "true strike" for every class, like Chozo said, but also had a different effect depending on your weapon

[zealous ridge]

It could also work in chunks, like every 5000 rage you can use a chunk and get the enraged buff for less time

[potent veldt]

Like, increased damage from Rage makes perfect sense with Melee, given being angry would logically make you swing harder at things

But for something like Ranger, I think rage should make you rev your weapon slightly faster or something

Since you being angry means nothing for your bullet's/weapon's direct damage logically

[lost agate]

E logic

[potent veldt]

And for Rogue using rage would cause them to throw their things harder, increasing velocity

[karmic stone]

Repost (repost)

[sand umbra]

@potent veldt can you express Summoner to me pls and thnak

[potent veldt]

yyYAAHHHH

There ya go

[sand umbra]

but like how would Rage help Summoner

[potent veldt]

Mage could maybe get decreased mana usage from rage, idk

Summoner's the hard one

Summoner could maybe translate directly into your summon's emotions?

If that makes sense

Which could cause them to increase in speed and damage slightly

[sand umbra]

editing vanilla summon AI be like

[potent veldt]

Yeah, that's the hard part

[zealous ridge]

Summoner could spawn an actual representation of your rage as a minion that scales with your stats

[potent veldt]

^^^^

Down with this

[sand umbra]

so you get a persona

[potent veldt]

Would last longer than rage, but also would auto-despawn after a bit

My stand

ANGERY

[zealous ridge]

I’m considering logging these ideas

I was more discussing it in my context

Like at 1/4 rage you get smol minion

[sand umbra]

i'm gonna kick your ass
with the power of my stand

「Propane Nightmare Angery」

[potent veldt]

From what I recall about summons keeping their damage from their initial summon, does rage actually work for summoner?

[lost agate]

Stardust guardian but its actually as strong as its flashy

[sand umbra]

summons adjust their damage based on boosts from their summoner in Calamity

[zealous ridge]

And it gets stronger with more increments and when you activate enraged it gets a big dmg boost and becomes super aggressivd

[potent veldt]

Oh, do they?

Shit, didn't realize that

[sand umbra]

yes

[potent veldt]

Could never tell in my playthroughs

[zealous ridge]

but yeah, I think that’s a good take

[potent veldt]

Could probably be a good idea later on

[zealous ridge]

and these rage effects can only activate if you’re holding a class specific weapon

Holding a classless or no weapon will cause it to just increase damage

[potent veldt]

Holding a classless weapon will make you close the game

[zealous ridge]

or maybe it could check which weapon you’re holding idk

imagine having your own grimmchild as a rage-summoned minion

[radiant meadow]

I was going to buff revivify if the prior suggestion got sent

but I guess it stagnated at 85 stars

[karmic stone]

I asked Rover about reposting last thursday but then decided it wouldn't be necessary because it already had 85

syhea 🚕 vasion

[queen delta]

just buff it anyways

[toxic kettle]

56 - Brimstone Crag houses generate with modded furniture and walls now. - Done

[quick ice]

I'm aware of that, I'm the one who made that suggestion

this is asking for them to add the other pieces of furniture such as the clock, sofa etc. to those houses rather than just changing the Walls, Chairs, Table and Door of the houses to the Ancient Furniture

[radiant meadow]

okay but like world gen is already ech and I barely understood it in the first place

and I only changed the furniture and walls

[quick ice]

alright, should I remove the sugg?

[radiant meadow]

you can leave it

it's a good suggestion

but execution sounds

[queen delta]

nah, no reason to

[radiant meadow]

you can leave it

[swift wadi]

discord is cool

[quick ice]

shoot messages are resending

discord is great

[swift wadi]

it's discord dying

[radiant meadow]

you can leave it

[quick ice]

shoot messages are resending

[swift wadi]

discord is cool

[radiant meadow]

I hate message delays

[swift wadi]

Ye

god

[queen delta]

you can leave it

[swift wadi]

Ye

[radiant meadow]

I hate message delays

[quick ice]

[swift wadi]

Ye

[queen delta]

you can leave it

[swift wadi]

god

[quick ice]

[ashen warren]

I just got back, and I probably am about to say something you guys already talked about, but is this sugg about crag houses related at all to the similar sounding change in the changelog?

[quick ice]

The one in changelog just swaps the furniture and walls to slag walls and ancient furniture

The suggestions is asking for the use of the other furniture items like sofas or clocks as well as occasionally swapping the furniture pieces with Ashen furniture

[lost agate]

Oh god that happened here too

[ashen warren]

(Also I see some implemented suggs in these changelogs)

[zealous ridge]

Yaaay ruinous souls drop increase boiiis

I think that’s my first suggestion to get in

[ashen warren]

Thank God

[quick ice]

laughs in 4 implemented suggestions

[ashen warren]

I said some

[quick ice]

I'm responding to Chozo about how one of his suggs got implemented

[ashen warren]

Oh okay I’m dumb

cries in zero implemented suggestions

[quick ice]

all good
don't worry, you'll get there one day

[ashen warren]

If Fab agrees with my ideas I will

[quick ice]

best way to get a suggestion implemented is to find something that's an oversight on the devs team part or somewhat flawed, and provide a good, well-thought-out solution to the problem

[ashen warren]

That’s kind of what I try to do: if I find an issue with a game mechanic, I suggest a way to make that mechanic more enjoyable, less irritating etc. and explain how that purpose would be achieved through the sugg

[cloud surge]

god why must i accidental press enter

Lower the drop chance of the Andromeda Dev Set
I've been playing this mod for at least a year and i swear i get this dev set so many times I feel like there's something wrong. I almost never get any other dev set but this one has been in my inventory countless amounts of time.

[quick ice]

so I just looked it up on the wiki, there isn't an Andromeda Dev set

[cloud surge]

what the

[quick ice]

this might be one of the T-Mod dev sets

[versed tundra]

Those exist??

[quick ice]

yeah

[versed tundra]

They clog-up my inventory

[quick ice]

if you go on Cheat-Sheet, there's a load of armor sets for the devs of T-Mod

[cloud surge]

Oh damn I always thought that was a calamity dev set

its 'Andromedon'

and yea its a T-Mod loader thing

[quick ice]

Calamity Biome Mimics have been suggested in the past iirc

[hollow shell]

It has.

but not Astral isolated

(not in the past 8 months, anyhow)

[quick ice]

aight
also, if Astral Mimic were to be implemented we may as well get Astral versions of the other Biome-Changed enemies (Pigron, Mummy, Ghoul, Enchanted Weapon)

[radiant meadow]

if astral underground is only defined by enemies, I fixed that

since it was an oversight more of

[quick ice]

aight, so they spawn higher up now?

[hollow shell]

(is the music still not in the mod?)

[radiant meadow]

it's not

because Dok wanted to do something with the music I think?

not really sure

[hollow shell]

Okay

[radiant meadow]

and yes, they spawn higher up now

[hollow shell]

then yeah just enemies

[versed tundra]

for astral mimmic summoning you'd need keys... made of what? stardust? but that's found on the surface

[hollow shell]

Nice

Prolly just Stardust key yeah

[versed tundra]

and then someone mistakes this for the way to open the astral chest in the dungeon

[indigo fog]

Potion of Omniscience highlights projectiles

but I don't see why the projectiles should be hard to see

[hollow shell]

Do they not glow already?

I'm pretty sure they have glowmasks

[copper onyx]

They do? I haven't noticed that yet

[hollow shell]

The stingers do

.. doesn't look like the rockets do though

nor the mines

[copper onyx]

Well, yeah, but the green part of the stingers are too small

[hollow shell]

projectile

glowin bits

so I guess just remove Stingers from the first sentence, cuz the rest of what you said still applies.

[ashen warren]

Weird because I can still never see the stingers. I’m guessing because the background is B L A C C

[copper onyx]

Maybe since that sprite is only a few pixels big

[hollow shell]

Perhaps

[copper onyx]

With a dark background it's hard to see

[ashen warren]

Aight bois we know what to do.
Make it brighter than the Sus tentacle

[sand umbra]

also, if Astral Mimic were to be implemented we may as well get Astral versions of the other Biome-Changed enemies (Pigron, Mummy, Ghoul, Enchanted Weapon)

Astral Enchanted Weapon

please no

[quick ice]

yes
it's like, quality Underground content or something

perfect 10/10 idea let's get it right now

[radiant meadow]

Astral enchanted weapon would be quality meme

I would love that

[queen delta]

Enchanted titan arm

[radiant meadow]

[sand umbra]

you're all dead to me

[radiant meadow]

but there's already a sword

and enchanted pickaxe sounds kinda dumb

so maybe enchanted fishing rod

[sand umbra]

smh uncreative

Stellar Cannon or bust

[radiant meadow]

okay but then it'll shoot you

do you really want that?

[versed mica]

Yes

[sand umbra]

I don't want Aureus leaping twice as fast as I can move either but that happens for like half the fight

[versed mica]

Death by enchanted weapon 6.0

[sand umbra]

I don't think it entirely matters at this point

[queen delta]

Enchanted titan arm that knocks you back so hard you break blocks

[sand umbra]

besides it's more creative than yet another enchanted melee wep

[radiant meadow]

I like the idea of an enchanted bow better

but that means I have to make a custom AI

kinda

[ashen warren]

Don’t get me started on bosses that move faster than I can

Slime God PTSD intensifies

[quick ice]

yes more Custom AI

[zealous ridge]

Personally I thought an astral enchanted scythe wouldn’t be horrific

[ashen warren]

/\

[gusty geode]

Enchant a bow and give it Giant Cursed Skull AI

It's different but it's still easy

[versed mica]

[hallow hatch]

enchanted navy rod

[cloud surge]

Make enemies in the abyss drop more lumenyl, especially luminous corvina
I always end up having a shortage of lumenyl once I have all the depth cells I need, and when I have all the lumenyl I need I hav a massive surplus of depth cells. I think the abyss enemies should drop more lumenyl to fix this problem. The Luminous corvina should definitely drop more of it because it shares the same colors and, well, has luminous in the name.

[hallow hatch]

k

[radiant meadow]

you can mine lumenyl

[cloud surge]

where

ive never seen placed lumenyl

[radiant meadow]

it grows naturally on voidstone

like prism shards

[cloud surge]

ive mined around in 3rd layer and have never mined up lumenyl but ok

[sand umbra]

...I keep forgetting that's a mechanic

[mighty knot]

Make Calamitas Clone Glow in her First Phase

For clarity, I'm talking about the 'joke' phase when Boss 2 plays and the sky isn't red--which is actually the main problem here.

A lot of the time, people will do bossfights with no consumable items, like potions or ammo, if given a non-consumable boss summon, especially in higher difficulties. Either that, or I'm weird.

One of these consumables is the Hunter potion (or the Potion of Omniscience). For the majority of the fight, Calamitas does not need either, as the sky is an illuminating blood-red. However, for the first phase, there is no such sky, and Calamitas is really hard to see without Hunter/Omniscience potions.

Because of her attack pattern, I often need to see where she is so I don't run into her. Even if I can still see the lasers, and even if I don't run into her, I'll often have a laser fired point-blank into my face. Even in the joke phase, those things hurt, and it is incredibly helpful to get Adrenaline while wearing down past the easy first phase, and, of course, getting hit resets that. When I do use Hunter/Omniscience potions to bypass this, it's also kind of a waste, since they only apply for the first 8% of the fight or so.

Considering how punishing this fight is for getting hit, it just feels kind of cheap when the lack of visibility screws me over, often costing me a good fight because of health and adrenaline loss. It's also just weird aesthetically to have lasers appearing out of nowhere.

[mighty knot]

...

wow great feedback guys

[fervent citrus]

?

Oh

Lemme read it first

[lilac mountain]

??

[dense locust]

I will say, isn't this the place where you discuss the suggestions?

[hollow shell]

Read the channel description

(second part, particularly)

[radiant meadow]

feedback when a lot of people are asleep

mmm... yes

[hollow shell]

Also Melon, the reason's a bit overblown for how short Cal Phase 1 actually is

[fervent citrus]

Well, he was wanting to disscuss it sooo

Kinda is

[wooden wedge]

it's night here in NA

[hollow shell]

You only need like one paragraph to describe this situation

[wooden wedge]

which is when the majority of the server is asleep

[mighty knot]

ehhh

marketing

more paragraphs makes it seem important

[wooden wedge]

that shouldn't matter all too much when it's a suggestion

[mighty knot]

joke

I'm revising it now

Make Calamitas Clone Emit a Bit of Light in her First Phase

For clarity, I'm talking about the 'joke' phase when Boss 2 plays and the sky isn't red--which is actually the main problem here.

For the majority of Calamitas' fight the sky is fully lit up in blood-red, allowing the player to see Calamitas and her projectiles without the need for potions. However, for the first phase, there is no such sky, and Calamitas is really hard to see without Hunter/Omniscience potions, even with light everywhere.
If I don't use these potions, usually because I'm doing a practice fight, she's really hard to see during the first phase, and I often run into her due to her just being really hard to see. When I do use Hunter/Omniscience potions to bypass this, it's also kind of a waste, since they only apply for the first 8% of the fight or so. Considering how punishing this fight is for getting hit, it just feels kind of cheap when the lack of visibility screws me over, often costing me a good fight because of health and adrenaline loss. It's also just weird aesthetically to have lasers appearing out of nowhere.

better?

[hollow shell]

Yeah that's better

one lil thing tho

.. decapitalize "glow" in your main line

[mighty knot]

why?

[hollow shell]

Looks like her name is Calamitas Clone Glow

[mighty knot]

it's not a preposition or pronoun

but okay

[hollow shell]

It doesn't need to follow the laws of titles, lol

[split narwhal]

Do you have torches in your arena?Because that would solve the problem honestly

[mighty knot]

I do

everywhere

[split narwhal]

huh okay

[hollow shell]

Clearly not everywhere if there's places she's going where there isn't light

[mighty knot]

idk

I'll screenshot at some point

but she just stays dark

gimme a sec

okay

turns out I'm stupid

[hollow shell]

oh

[tepid root]

[mighty knot]

Make Calamitas Clone Emit a Bit of Light in her First Phase

For clarity, I'm talking about the 'joke' phase when Boss 2 plays and the sky isn't red--which is actually the main problem here.

For the majority of Calamitas' fight the sky is fully lit up in blood-red, allowing the player to see Calamitas and her projectiles without the need for potions. However, for the first phase, there is no such sky, and Calamitas is really hard to see without Hunter/Omniscience potions, even with light everywhere.
If I don't use these potions, usually because I'm doing a practice fight, she's really hard to see during the first phase, and I often run into her due to her just being really hard to see. When I do use Hunter/Omniscience potions to bypass this, it's also kind of a waste, since they only apply for the first 8% of the fight or so. Considering how punishing this fight is for getting hit, it just feels kind of cheap when the lack of visibility screws me over, often costing me a good fight because of health and adrenaline loss. It's also just weird aesthetically, since Calamitas' sprite has a fair amount of Brimstone fire, which is, of course, illuminating.
Although torches do help with this, the fight is at a point where you'll spend a lot of the time off the ground. Also, Calamity bosses tend to be less irritating than the vanilla ones by not requiring you to do annoying things like light up everything, which is always really nice, and I don't think it should be abandoned completely for a trick section.

[hollow shell]

Reason's gettin a bit overblown again

(I should also mention that the minimap is a thing)

[distant gyro]

you can edit instead of reposting everytime btw

[hollow shell]

The thing is this isn't that big a deal but you're making it out to be a big deal, which is making me not want to support it as much...

or actually I think it's just the fact that it's not a big deal

[fervent citrus]

[mighty knot]

ok ok ok

nevermind

[hollow shell]

She's visible if you have Hunter or enough torches or use the minimap
or debuffing her with Ichor or any fire DoTs...

and it only lasts like 20 seconds

[tepid root]

just delete phase 1 ez

[copper onyx]

Tweaks for plaguebringer goliath

1. Add some chat message when she enrages. I didn't even know you were supposed to fight her underground until I looked at the wiki, which lead to a lot of deaths.

2. Make the plaguebringers not despawn

3. Nerf the charge attack. Maybe make her start he charges slowly but pick up speed. Her large size, contact damage, and speed make the charge attack overshadow all the other attacks. Each of my deaths to this boss has been caused by the charge attack. Maybe even disable the charges completely on her second phase to focus more on her other attacks

4. To make up for #2, buff her projectile attacks, since they're all weak. The plague stingers are easy to dodge; maybe make them leave trails of contaminated gas. The nuke barrages are also easy to dodge, so increase the speed of the nukes and make her fire more during the charges themselves.

[tepid root]

tbh for #1, just make the boss summon say smth about her enraging on surface in the tooltip

or just make it only usable in underground jungle idk

[copper onyx]

Well I think it's intended to make the player choose whether they prefer the tight arena or rapid attack spam

And the tooltip can easily get missed; most people just ignore it

So I think it'd be better to have her just warn players when she enrages

[tepid root]

players usually dont miss stuff like "Recommended to fight in the underground"

because if the tooltip is really small, they just read it

[copper onyx]

In my experience most people don't even look at the tooltip at all

Either way gtg

[tepid root]

bye

[empty geyser]

@copper onyx Potion of omniscience.

[hollow shell]

@empty geyser Your original suggestion got delivered. You don't need to repost.

[empty geyser]

Oh, right. Only new posts need 120 stars.

Sorry.

I've removed it.

[hollow shell]

Thanks

[timid pawn]

Make blizzard and sandstorms have more spawn rates And like how sandstorms push you in normal make blizzards slow you in normal (i know there is slowens in deathmode) and make sandstorms and blizzards buff their biome mobs Reason: Beacus farming sand elemenatal and ice golems is easy but takes sometime but if spawn rates are increesed there will be more gloems and sand elemntals but it will be harder to kill them becuse other enemies might kill and they will be stronger

[indigo fog]

Magma Stone isn't hard at all to obtain at that point

It's in crag chests

[hollow shell]

Indeed it is ^
@opaque sierra

[opaque sierra]

Oh rlly

[indigo fog]

Use a zen potion to get there if profaned enemies are a problem

You can get it at the beginning of hm

[opaque sierra]

I’m just the laziest fuck ever

[hollow shell]

Yeah that's uhh
I'm gonna have to give a no on that

We have a guaranteed Magma Stone already

Shouldn't be invalidated cuz you don't want to go there

[hollow idol]

magma stone isnt even that hard to farm in my experience

[indigo fog]

Can I suggest for Deep Wounder to be sold after Calamitas instead of Plantera since the weapon is abyss-themed? Defeating Plantera doesn't let abyss enemies drop Lumenyl or anything anymore and now the boss has nothing to do with the abyss, so it'd make more sense for this to be after Calamitas like the rest of the abyss weapons

[hollow shell]

That makes sense, yeah

[indigo fog]

alright

im gonna write it and post it here

Make Deep Wounder sold after Calamitas has been defeated instead of Plantera

Reason: Defeating Calamitas is the only way to get Lumenyl and Depth Cells. Now that defeating Plantera doesn't cause Abyss enemies to drop Lumenyl or anything anymore, this boss has nothing to do with the Abyss, so it makes more sense for this weapon to be locked behind Calamitas like the rest of the hardmode abyss-themed weapons

this should be fine right

[hollow shell]

Ye looks good

[indigo fog]

Why do we need to increase Sandstorm and Blizzard spawn rates entirely? You could've suggested to just make Sand Elemental and Ice Golems more common if those 2 enemies are why you're suggesting in the first place.

Also is this chaining suggestions?

[hollow shell]

That's not at all what chaining means

[indigo fog]

alright then

[hollow shell]

Chaining is referencing someone else's suggestion

[indigo fog]

they seemed completely different which is why i asked

Is it not allowed to suggest 2 different things in one suggestion?

[ashen warren]

i feel like the deep wounder thing is a bit of an oversight tbh

[hollow shell]

It is indeed not recommended to do that
but the three things he's suggesting all pertain to his reason
which is making those events harder but more profitable

I just wish his English was better...

[timid pawn]

@indigo fog Oh the suggestion is bad should i delete it (i really don't care) ?

[indigo fog]

You can if you want. I just dont think thats the best way to solve the issue with those 2 enemies

its better to just make them more common if waiting for them is the only problem

[timid pawn]

Make sandstorms and blizzards buff their mobs and increase spawn rates in hardmode .Reason: It is really easy to farm the sand elemental and the ice golem but if spawn rates are increased they will be tougher and you will have to deal with other enemies before fighting them

Is this better?

[indigo fog]

I thought it wasnt easy to farm those 2 enemies

[timid pawn]

No it is really easy you can simply make a small platform from soild blocks and leave a 1 block hole and have a yoyo or a piercing weapon and you can kill alot of ice golems easily and the sand elemental can be killed easily with ranged weapons becuse you see where he will attack

[indigo fog]

oh i thought that was your problem

what if increased spawn rates only happened in hardmode, since thats when they spawn

[timid pawn]

And if spawn rates are incresed you will get that ice yoyo easily

[timid pawn]

Make cyrgon take no dmg outside of the ice biome like the hive mind/the prefators.Reason: In normal mode you can go back to your base and keep using the nurse which make the fight so easy

[radiant meadow]

deep wounder is an oversight, ye

fixed @indigo fog

[tepid root]

👀

[bitter drift]

if you do use the nurse like that in the cryo fight you are just a dick and besides the buff would make cryogen's arenas much smaller leading the the fight being much harder

[tepid root]

god

[bitter drift]

also if you use L O G I C should cryogen get a defense buff while IN the ice biome?

[tepid root]

fighting cryo in the snow biome

really pensive

[timid pawn]

Alright alright deleted...sigh

[bitter drift]

you know i feel you

i also tried to make many suggestion for at least one of them to get in
non did

[timid pawn]

[bitter drift]

[teal ibex]

i fervently despise biome mechanics as a whole tbh, and wish calamity didn't use them so often

like, they'd work if biomes were pretty structurally sound

[tepid root]

provi enraging out of hallow

[teal ibex]

but if you fly like, a second

you're out of the biome

sorry

[tepid root]

provi's wackiness in hallow is exactly the reason i always fight her in hell tbh

[teal ibex]

she does at least have a leniency now, which is nice

[timid pawn]

Then what about this:Make more use of cyrogen drops (weapons) other than begin used to craft kelvin.Reason:they are not really that great and after defeating him you simply buy weapons from the arch mage which are better. if this is bad just type bad

[tepid root]

isnt ice breaker kinda decent?

[teal ibex]

ice stars are also decent afaik

[tepid root]

other than that yeah, most of his drops are shit

yeah but consumables

[teal ibex]

also that's more of a general trend with boss drops, calamity makes them weak because otherwise you'd not bother crafting alternatives at the tier

which, admittedly, is an issue and is worth addressing

but it's not exclusively cryogen related

[tepid root]

true

[timid pawn]

OH

[tepid root]

unless the only thing the boss gives is weapons

and no materials/extra unlocks

then usually the weapons are decent

[teal ibex]

i might write up a suggestion regarding it later tbh

[tepid root]

unless theyre not

[timid pawn]

Well is yharon drop bad too?

[tepid root]

nah

yharon phase 1 drops are decent

[timid pawn]

Then you can't simply suggest: improve boss drops (weapons)

[teal ibex]

yeah, it's not a simple issue

but i do have an idea regarding it

[timid pawn]

Is there is any great boss drop from start of the game to poltergast?

[teal ibex]

yes

[timid pawn]

Like what?

[teal ibex]

there are plenty of good boss drops, it's just that there's a lot more mediocre ones

i mean, slimy saddle is solid, scourge of the desert is decent, mycoroot is pretty solid for non-boss encounters

[tepid root]

entropy's vigil is the first one that came to my mind

[teal ibex]

vigil is good yeah

[tepid root]

theres also that bow from AS

[timid pawn]

AS?

[tepid root]

aquatic scourge

[bitter drift]

yes him

[teal ibex]

brackish flask is also solid afaik

nebulash was NUTTY for a really long time

[tepid root]

theres also all the summoner weapons dropped from bosses tbh

[teal ibex]

there's plenty of examples basically, but there's a lot more that don't meet the mark

[timid pawn]

Moon lord drops are good right?

[tepid root]

like 3

for a small while

or 2 idk

[teal ibex]

i mean if we're including vanilla drops then there's INSANE stuff that you can get

[timid pawn]

Then what about grand dad?

[teal ibex]

counter scarf sure does exist

[tepid root]

shadowdrop staff

[bitter drift]

worm scarf is always a must

[timid pawn]

I guess it will be hard to make a suggestion about improving the bad boss drops

[teal ibex]

not really

[tepid root]

oh yeah scrap that about all summoner drops from bosses, crimslime and corroslime are super extra mega cringe

[bitter drift]

ya not really

[teal ibex]

give me like 5 minutes and i'll write up what i was thinking

the slime staffs were nutty good when i used them against wall

[tepid root]

well yeah

theyre good for the first bit

[bitter drift]

iirc there is really no good summoner weapon for HV and perfs

[tepid root]

but then wof starts going speedy

and they cant catch up

[teal ibex]

well you have to resummon directly on it with rippers for the full shred

[bitter drift]

well there are always fshs

[tepid root]

h

[teal ibex]

it's cheesy to say the least

[tepid root]

also seabound + ballista spam is good for hiim miim

[bitter drift]

use da pheash

is there a good summoner weapons for HM and perfs?

[tepid root]

i just said

[bitter drift]

i didn't see it

and no HM isn't hard mode

i mean hive mind

[timid pawn]

you can get the prefator hive weapons without killing him right?

[bitter drift]

ya but you need to kill the worms

[tepid root]

this is the eow/boc situation all over again

[bitter drift]

ya getting the summoner weapon for perf pre perf is like getting shadow scales and tissue samples pre BoC and EoW

but i really didn't see the comment where your answer @tepid root
and maybe you got me wrong so i will say it again
is there a good weapon for Hive mind and perforators?

[bitter drift]

ok

[teal ibex]

Buff direct weapon drops from bosses, and to compensate increase their rarity.

Calamity currently suffers from a seldom discussed issue of boss weapon bloat. Think about what usually happens when you open a boss treasure bag: sometimes you'll get a weapon you were really hoping for, and then you stash away 2-5 other weapons that spat out and don't really serve any purpose, even for the classes they were made for. In essence, this makes sense -- bosses are pretty much required, so you're not going out of your way and putting in extra effort to get these weapons. Therefore, they shouldn't be as strong, which creates the issue at hand.

My proposal for resolving this issue is to buff these weapons, either by making them more interesting or just making them stronger, but making them less likely to be obtained. Currently, you can typically wind up with 2-4 weapons dropped from any given boss treasure bag for multiple classes. Either these droprates can be reduced to having an average of one or two weapons, or forcing one weapon to drop from the given available pool, like Moonlord. At first glance this might sound taxing, but remember, the goal is that these weapons should be much more impactful after these changes. Instead of rolling the dice for the one good weapon out of 7, you'll be getting one weapon out of the 7 good ones.

I know this change is a little controversial since it may inadvertently increase the possible grind for players, and some weapons like Entropy's Vigil and Staff of the Mechworm might become more elusive than they are already. Feel free to propose ideas to help combat those weaknesses.

the longest suggestion of all time

[swift wadi]

I remember Ozza saying something about bosses dropping weapons, how they dont work right so with bad luck a bag can give you literally nothing or literally everything

Not sure if it's a pain to fix, impossible, or just not something that's been done yet

[teal ibex]

weird, seems like something that should definitely be doable

[tepid root]

only thing is, since a lot of bosses usually drop only weapons + some rare item, this would kinda mean that youd probably get like nothing usually from the bag

[teal ibex]

arguably that's already the case

how often do you actually keep a boss weapon to use outside of summoner runs

[tepid root]

a

[teal ibex]

certainly in some cases, but it's pretty rare in my playthroughs personally

[tepid root]

yea true

[swift wadi]

There's always better weapons or weapons that work just fine, dont think I've ever used a weapon dropped by Siren

For example

[bitter drift]

now that i think of it every single summoner weapon in HM and pre HM is gotten from bosses

[tepid root]

thats not true

[teal ibex]

that is, in fact, not true

[bitter drift]

talk about variety right?

[tepid root]

the HM part, anyways

[swift wadi]

Wulfrum controller isn't from a boss

[bitter drift]

boss or enemy sorry

[swift wadi]

Conch is from an NPC

Buyable

[bitter drift]

conch?

[tepid root]

you got spiders, ice claspers, forgotten apex, shellfish (does this count), and probably others

[swift wadi]

Magical Conch?

[teal ibex]

sun staff as well

[tepid root]

resurrection butterfly too

[bitter drift]

ok you got me but honestly the amount of summoner weapons you need to get from bosses is ridicules and let's not forget **Y H A R O N **

[teal ibex]

it's almost like it's a hard to program class with barely any support from vanilla tbh

[bitter drift]

xD

[teal ibex]

the last update like, doubled the amount of summoner weapons or something crazy

[bitter drift]

yet yharon remines the summoner eater

[tepid root]

most of the summoner weapons added in the last update are real chad

[teal ibex]

ANYWAY i'll just post it and it'll die before it hits dev server

[bitter drift]

N O T O N M Y W A T C H!!!

[frail mantle]

[bitter drift]

[timid pawn]

@bitter drift Disscus suggestion here before posting them you don't have to put it directly in suggestion

[bitter drift]

ok

replace the copper bow, amethyst staff and the copper broad sword with new items from calamity in the starter bag.

why: well every other class have an item from calamity in that bag rogue having the throwing bricks and summoner having the relatively new wulfrum drones as previously it had the slime staff, it would make sense if the melee ranger and mage starting item would also be a calamity item.

here it is

[bitter drift]

well i just did as you wanted

[timid pawn]

Ahh the first upgrade you get in calamity is wulufrum and it is really easy to get so there no need

[bitter drift]

you didn't get my point did you

[frail mantle]

i mean the Wulfrum Remote is gonna be replaced with a squirrel summon in the starter bag next update

but tbh memee, and mage don't really need their own items

[bitter drift]

wait really?

[frail mantle]

they already do decently early game and "so every class gets a Calamity weapon in the starter bag" is kinda weak reasoning

yes

[bitter drift]

ok

[distant gyro]

Wulfrum completely goes away in the next update

yes

[bitter drift]

why? i actually starting to like it

maybe make it craftable?

[distant gyro]

Wulfrum Controller is already craftable

[bitter drift]

it is

oh it is

[distant gyro]

that's why Squirrel Squire Staff exists

[quick ice]

Wulfrums getting deleted?

or is it getting moved/reworked

[frail mantle]

it's getting yeeted from the starter bag

[worthy fiber]

Wulfrum in the starter bag will be replaced

With the Squirrel Staff™️

[quick ice]

aight good, got a bit confused there

[hallow kraken]

Shouldn’t floodtide be made fishable after cal instead of plant?

Or is that already in and the wiki is wrong

[quick ice]

I don't believe it's in

[worthy fiber]

Still behind plant

[distant gyro]

(power >= 60 && player.FindBuffIndex(BuffID.Gills) > -1 && NPC.downedPlantBoss && Main.rand.NextBool(25) && power < 160)

[quick ice]

however, it isn't an Abyss themed weapon as far as I can tell so I'd say it's fine

[hallow kraken]

crafted with abyss materials

[distant gyro]

between 60 and 160 power, has to have gills active, plant dies, 4% chance of catch

wtf is this condition

[hallow kraken]

I mean, it’s unique

[quick ice]

the gills is unecessary though

[hallow kraken]

But should be changed to post cal

[distant gyro]

the fact that it's craftable just that fishing part out

[quick ice]

if you don't look at the wiki, you'll most likely never get this weapon through fishing

[hallow kraken]

Considering you can now only craft it then

[tepid root]

4% weird number

why not 5%

[quick ice]

4 isn't a weird number, and the % of fishing it up doesn't matter

[gray nebula]

balance moment

[frail mantle]

There should be more content in Post-Moon Lord overall.
there's already a lot of post-ML content and like 90% of it is bosses

[quick ice]

the issue is the gills condition, since that makes it totally impractical for an average joe to fish up

[lost agate]

Then make smth that isnt bosses le ech

[distant gyro]

isn't putting a boss in between a boss a normal calamity thing to do

in this case pbg is between golem and duke
ravager is between duke and cultist

[hallow kraken]

I should just sug the tier change in fishing for now

[quick ice]

Ravager is very close to Golem though

[hallow kraken]

Or do I even need to

[gray nebula]

also bloodflare isn't rally ravager set

ravager is flesh and stone, bloodflare is blood and bones

[worthy fiber]

How many things are there to do between Ravager and Golem?

[zenith hazel]

bloodflare is more of a polter set tbh

[quick ice]

Duke, PBG, Martian Madness, OOA T-3 and Lunar Events

[worthy fiber]

You missed OOA

[zenith hazel]

ravager is pre-cultist so like eh

[worthy fiber]

It's a fair-ish amount of content

[earnest raptor]

@gray nebula Ravager doesn't have bones? I gotta disagree with you.

[frail mantle]

what

[worthy fiber]

• There's the Chaotic ore thing

[pliant bone]

what

[gray nebula]

I'm not saying rav doesn't have bones

[distant gyro]

Bloodflare plet has bones

look at [[Arterial Assault]]'s design

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Arterial_Assault

[quick ice]

@earnest raptor Ravager has bones, but they aren't a main component of his design

[gray nebula]

also uh look at new bloodflare

it's really not the same as rav

[tepid root]

pog

[gray nebula]

and also balancing nightmare

[worthy fiber]

yeah rebalancing will suck

not worth the effort

[earnest raptor]

@gray nebula this look even more simular in theme with ravager

[quick ice]

the Stone and Flesh are the 2 parts of Ravager that are super obvious to see whereas the bones are still there, just less important

[gray nebula]

not really similar

bloodflare uses really anatomical designs with bones and veins, ravager uses flesh and stone with some skulls or spikes

[teal ibex]

iban when can i bribe you to make the eidolon wyrm summon staff

[gray nebula]

yes

[earnest raptor]

Ok, I got it.

[wary canyon]

He’s too dark to fit with blood flare imo

[frail mantle]

that right there sure do be the Ravager boss

[stray wren]

eidolon wyrm pet

[worthy fiber]

Ravager has a more steel-like appearance

[gray nebula]

ravager be like

also maybe I accidentally leaked something with my bloodflare

wops

[zenith hazel]

yeah time to die for leaking

[worthy fiber]

don't point it out 😳

[tepid root]

removed from dev team

banned

[frail mantle]

truth is, Iban, the leaking was rigged from the start

[distant gyro]

smh leaking devs 😳

[gray nebula]

just ask for the ravager to be more differernt

[earnest raptor]

After disqualification of sis-word, I can't come with good ideas

[gray nebula]

don't suggest anything then

[zealous ridge]

hmm

[wary canyon]

I came up with one good sugg and now I just lurk in this channel

[gray nebula]

Forcing yourself to come up with suggestions isn't a great idea

[teal ibex]

at this point i literally only make suggestions when people remind me of problems that exist in the mod

and now we have craftable bug net

all is right with the world

[gray nebula]

hectique only makes fishiing suggs

[teal ibex]

because anything else, in fact, doesn't matter

[timid pawn]

Is there is any kind of water pressure in the abyys

[gray nebula]

:]

[quick ice]

there is, yes

[frail mantle]

there's the thing where you drown faster the deeper in the Abyss you are

[quick ice]

the pressure decreases with each layer, causing the suffocation damage to increase iirc

and for your breath to deplete faster

[timid pawn]

No i mean like real life water pressure effects?

[zealous ridge]

Like...? What are you thinking?

[frail mantle]

aren't those real life water effects

[quick ice]

that's...how water pressure works...

[timid pawn]

No

[stray wren]

and if you mine in the abyss for an air pocket the further you go down and exit the water your health drops very very fast

[zealous ridge]

yes, water pressure does do that to you

[quick ice]

if you go deeper in the ocean, more pressure would be applied on your body causing your lungs to lose their air faster if you aren't in some form of protection

[wary canyon]

^

[timid pawn]

I mean like water pressure in real life do something like crushing things and if the water pressure in the game like this then the death message should be like ":name: was crushed to death by water pressure" not " oxygen could't reach :name:" you understand?

[distant gyro]

custom death messages are dumbo

the code just assumes you die to suffocation if you die in the abyss

[quick ice]

^'

[timid pawn]

OOOH

[distant gyro]

idk if there is any way to detect if you die to depth specifically

[quick ice]

it's more difficult to make those death messages than it's worth

[distant gyro]

that's gotta be some case shitshow

[timid pawn]

Alright alright @distant gyro i didn't mean this i am not saying a suggestion

[ashen warren]

It is more effort than it’s worth, but if Fab likes it the effort will be put in.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[distant gyro]

grappling hook abuse

[tepid root]

that sounds more like a bug tbh

[fierce hedge]

Wasnt sure

I just posted it there

[zenith hazel]

yeah you should probably post it in #bugs-read-pins

[fierce hedge]

Alright

[tepid root]

2 suggestions in one

also why do people want to buff ks so much

dont they understand he's the first boss of the game

[worthy fiber]

KS is fine where it is smh

Even the loot is based around early-game

hook, funny mount, crown jewel

[ashen warren]

"funny mount"

[loud steeple]

Tbh,I think the stuff ks drops Is worth more then the fight is

[worthy fiber]

Why do you want to make it harder to get smh

[lost agate]

Make KS spray spikes everywhere with each stomp ofc

[tepid root]

maso :pensive_rick:

[lost agate]

Perhaps

And i mean, tbf if you dont do KS first try hes not really worth farming to refight imo

Getting a ruby sucks

[loud steeple]

Unless your lucky enough to find like 5 at once

[teal ibex]

buffing king slime is also on the don'ts doc so

[loud steeple]

Well that's the end of this conversation then

[lost agate]

It already got a buff with the rev ai, it doesnt need more

[fierce hedge]

Rope cheese was the only problem tbh

[tawny gyro]

i saw the suggestion of adding an astral mimic and that got me thinking

would it be a good idea to add rogue weapons for crimson, corrupted and hallowed mimics?

for whatever reason i have a feeling that these already exist and i'm making a fool out of myself

[teal ibex]

i don't believe calamity adds any drops to their pools

and, assuming that's true, it's not a bad idea tbh

but you'll probably wanna check with like altix or somebody who can confirm it

[karmic stone]

Celestial Claymore from all 3 iirc

[teal ibex]

oh yeah, that exists

so basically nothing

[tawny gyro]

if it's from all 3 then it doesn't really count

[karmic stone]

[tawny gyro]

it should be different for specific types of mimics

[lost agate]

I mean thats an odd choice cuz you dont get all types of weapons from mimic

Or well at least i think so

[tawny gyro]

like i'm thinking flesh bomb from crimson, disk that spreads some disease from corruption and move exorcism to hallow-mimic tier

[lost agate]

Theres no summon weapon thats for sure

[tawny gyro]

oh yeah

that as well

[teal ibex]

time to suggest baby hollow mimic summon

[tawny gyro]

YES

[lost agate]

Actually lemme see

Hallowed give daedalus, crystal flare and uuh

[tawny gyro]

flying knife

[lost agate]

Dunno if it gives smth for melee

[tawny gyro]

i think

[lost agate]

Right

Crimson fetid baghnbdnsjs, life drain and dart pistol

[teal ibex]

i love fetid baghnbdnsjs

[lost agate]

I forgot what corruption mimics drop

[tawny gyro]

yeah, i remember when i used fetid baghnbdnsjs to defeat plantera

afaik it was uhhhh

dart shotgun for ranged

[teal ibex]

dart rifle, chain guillotines, clinger staff

so yeah

they all hit the main 3 classes

[tawny gyro]

yeh

but no summoner or rogue

[lost agate]

Doesnt hit summoner cuz e and throwing cuz mem

[teal ibex]

imagine making content for a class in your game

[tepid root]

funny no summoner support moment

[teal ibex]

but yeah it's p valid for them to get rogue weapons imo

not likely to happen any time soon, but nonetheless

[lost agate]

Yeah

[tawny gyro]

for types of rogue weapons i think boomerang - bomb - dagger would be best

cuz they're the three main types of rogue weapons

and javelins

and for summoner uh

staff - staff - staff

[worthy fiber]

tablet-shell-chunk

[distant gyro]

mimic staff, of course

[tepid root]

wand-cane-rod

[teal ibex]

imagine adding mimic summons to vanilla and it unironically increases the number of summon weapons by 25%

[lost agate]

Ooa moment

[frail mantle]

sentry-summon-active tbh

[tepid root]

pog

[tawny gyro]

yo what if they added a summon that has worm-type AI

but isn't flying

[tepid root]

implode

[tawny gyro]

like it actually requires ground to move around

[rancid urchin]

that'd be kinda wack but very unique

actually id really love to see that

[tawny gyro]

that'd be a good corruption summon

[rancid urchin]

it would

like a mini eow?

[tawny gyro]

it'd be the mini-eow-but-it's-that-hardmode-enemy guy

[rancid urchin]

the uhh

[tawny gyro]

yes, the uhh

[rancid urchin]

not devourer, the other one

[tawny gyro]

exactly

the one with many eyes

cuz then it'd also fit the hardmode theme

[rancid urchin]

world feeder

[tawny gyro]

thank you

and to make it not horrible make it burrow fast enough to easily jump like 25 blocks high

[hollow shell]

@whole wedge I'm gonna need you to write a bit more reason for that tornado portion, beyond "itd be cool"
(and also remove that line about KS cuz it has nothin to do with weather)

[whole wedge]

Well, I feel it would death mode more challenging

And it would give a reason to not leave drops on the ground

[rancid urchin]

but what would the other ones be? for hallow/corruption?

[whole wedge]

Which is annoying to some people

[hollow shell]

Aight sure fair I guess

Add those reasons to your sugg

[tepid root]

tbh i think summoner is ok enough in early hardmode currently

[worthy fiber]

Summoner has 4 weapons to pick now

better than the previous 1 weapon

[tepid root]

5

forgotten apex, spider, shellfish, black hawks, ice claspers

[worthy fiber]

Who uses spiders

[tepid root]

nobody

[tawny gyro]

for hallow and crimson? uhh

[tepid root]

who uses forgotten apex

[whole wedge]

I added more about tornadoes

[hollow shell]

Dont

The less specific you are, the better.

[whole wedge]

Ah ok

[hollow shell]

Gives the devs more freedom to work with the idea

[distant gyro]

pirate staff btw

[tawny gyro]

i like the idea of keeping the summons enemy-based

[whole wedge]

True

[tepid root]

pirate staff is funny

[tawny gyro]

so for hallow it'd be the fairy? kinda generic but I don't think unicorn would work well

[hollow shell]

The biome spreading part is unnecessary...

and would bother everybody

[tawny gyro]

unless we pick geltropods, or whatever the flying laser shooting night slimes are

and for crimson i'd guess the leaping dude

the one that haunts you in your nightmares

[ancient crow]

herpesling

[whole wedge]

True

Although i feel biome spreading is kinda overlooked as a difficulty

What does a grey exclamation mean

[karmic stone]

Added automatically to suggestions, signifying that this suggestion hasn't been reviewed by a moderator yet. The suggestion's star is subject to removal if it breaks any rules or for other reasons. Once reviewed, this gets removed. (This reaction is not the opposite of ⭐. Do not touch this reaction.)

[rancid urchin]

ideah

[terse sundial]

yet to be reviewed

[rancid urchin]

A gastropod summon for the hallow (lazer slime lad)

slime? i meant slug thing

[terse sundial]

I would say that's too specific, plus there isn't a real reason behind it

specific items suggestions are not allowed rn

[rancid urchin]

that's understandable

[distant gyro]

weird how I just noticed the suggestion legends seem a bit weird

only the gray exclamation explicitly has a "Do not touch this reaction" in it

but in reality, touching any reaction outside the ⭐ is pointless

[hollow shell]

Yeah but grey exclams must be removed, and additional reactions make it harder to do that

(especially on mobile where it decides to autoload the next reaction once all of one reaction have been cleared
meaning it's possible to remove someone's star on accident)

[distant gyro]

what the fuck discord can't destroy that in an instant?

[hollow shell]

Reaction management isn't important enough, I guess

[teal ibex]

yeah there isn't a "remove all" button because

half baked features

[distant gyro]

there is a remove all but it also removes the stars iirc

[hollow shell]

There's only "remove literally every reaction" or "remove this specific reaction by doing it one by one by one..."

[teal ibex]

we literally only JUST got the ability to ping roles with a certain level of permission

rather than just being "everybody can ping this role or NOBODY can ping it"

[hollow shell]

haa look at that

[sand umbra]

[terse sundial]

dw we aren't going to enable it to everyone, even us moderators don't have it

[teal ibex]

it only took like 4 years or something

[hollow shell]

btw pin management is still not possible

you have to unpin and repin everything if you wanna move one

[sand umbra]

which is super ultra mega cringe

[wide flicker]

Also there is a pin limit

[hallow kraken]

so like you look at changelogs right

because like y’know

how it says the nuke barrages and charges will be changed next update

[sand umbra]

also boss adjustment suggs almost never get in ever so like

[hallow kraken]

I feel extremely nervous with pinging people

but

@copper onyx

[copper onyx]

The charge tweaks are only in rev, mode, so I don't think that's the same thing I'm talking about

[tepid root]

@sand umbra levi charge change
>>>>>>>>>

[hallow kraken]

rev+

[copper onyx]

As for the missile change, I most have missed it

[sand umbra]

the charge tweaks are not only in Rev+

[tepid root]

rev+ was talking about qb lol

[queen sail]

Rev+ is next to qb

Memer

[hallow kraken]

rev+ means rev and higher right?

[sand umbra]

Leviathan and PBG charges have been ass to contend with for ages, they're being improved in general

[copper onyx]

Oh ok nvm I'll edit it then

[tepid root]

yes, and it was referring to qb only

h

[distant gyro]

PBG doesn't do a diagonal dash in expert-

[copper onyx]

Ok just deleted #3 and 4 entirely

She doesn't?

[sand umbra]

that doesn't make them any less ass in Rev+

[distant gyro]

aka if you're still failing in expert- pbg then something is wrong because she does nothing but trying to align to you when she charges in expert-

[copper onyx]

No I'm in rev

[distant gyro]

well no she literally does nothing but waiting 10 years to align horizontally

[devout seal]

Wait, you need to fight PBG underground now??

[queen sail]

You guys don’t fight pbg underground?

[toxic kettle]

^

[sand umbra]

there's no indicator that she's meant to be fought underground

I spent the better part of a year fighting her on the surface before realizing "wait a fucking minute this boss enrages on the surface"

"have I been missing an easier fight this whole time"

and, sure enough, she's much more tame underground

[wary canyon]

wait what

oh my god

pbg was actually the most annoying boss in all my runs apart from yharon and scal

and ur telling me that i was fighting enraged version

[tepid root]

ion pbg enraged on surface for a long while now lol

[queen sail]

Probably ever since, like

Summer 2017 lmao

[tepid root]

e

[whole wedge]

Wait you fight plague bringer Goliath underground wtf

[sand umbra]

yes

she enrages on the surface

[whole wedge]

I had no clue

[sand umbra]

nothing about her indicates that she does, but she does

[whole wedge]

Wow

I always fight her on the surface

[gusty geode]

Beginning to think nobody knew

[whole wedge]

I don’t think anyone did

She seems more like a surface boss

[sand umbra]

her Death auto-spawn even happens specifically on the surface and can't happen if you're actually where you're supposed to fight her

so take that as you will