#suggestions-discussion | Calamity Mod Discord | Page 796

hearty yew Feb 17, 2020, 7:14 PM

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LUL

vocal grotto Feb 17, 2020, 7:14 PM

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Mistake or otherwise, it doesn't warrant passive-aggressive comments. This issue is being discussed in the dev server.

hearty yew Feb 17, 2020, 7:15 PM

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"they were blind to the whole being blind thing"

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Epic irony I love it

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But yeah we are actively discussing and fixing this now

unique vector Feb 17, 2020, 7:15 PM

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agreed with dom

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ill pop into the dev server when im free

ashen warren Feb 17, 2020, 7:15 PM

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Why are people arguing here? 😦

unique vector Feb 17, 2020, 7:15 PM

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school work is killing me my class somehow decided i was gonna lead our final project

hearty yew Feb 17, 2020, 7:15 PM

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I guess thanks to everyone for sticking through with this even though it was unnecessary caustic

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We're going to improve it because it's a hot button issue

ashen warren Feb 17, 2020, 7:17 PM

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@hearty yew Something you said though bothered me.

unique vector Feb 17, 2020, 7:17 PM

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if this is a personal dispute private dms are better suited

ashen warren Feb 17, 2020, 7:18 PM

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It's not.

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Calamity is not a for profit organization and doesn't need to make its visual effects compliant with any sort of disability protocol

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Are you implying that Calamity shouldn't change certain things to make it easier for those who might be visually impaired?

void kelp Feb 17, 2020, 7:20 PM

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I’m pretty sure all ozz is saying is that they’re not legally obligated to make any accessibility changes; no need to pick a fight

ashen warren Feb 17, 2020, 7:20 PM

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I'm not trying to pick a fight, I'm just looking for clarification.

vocal grotto Feb 17, 2020, 7:20 PM

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Yeah, not to say we shouldn't, more that it isn't a 100% requirement.

ashen warren Feb 17, 2020, 7:21 PM

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To be fair, nothing is a 100% requirement.

hearty yew Feb 17, 2020, 7:21 PM

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@ashen warren My statement is that accusing Calamity of being ableist has no ramifications on its ability to develop freely; the development team is allowed to ignore disabilities as it sees fit

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That doesn't mean we should, because that makes us exclusive assholes

ashen warren Feb 17, 2020, 7:22 PM

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Wait, who accused Calamity of being ableist?

hearty yew Feb 17, 2020, 7:22 PM

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It's basically a devil's advocate statement

lost agate Feb 17, 2020, 7:22 PM

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Ozz

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Ugh

ashen warren Feb 17, 2020, 7:22 PM

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Because.. yeah, you're not obligated and forced to change certain things to make it easier for people with visual impairment like color blindness or really poor sight.

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But it just comes off as a dick move if you wouldn't and it was a really big issue.

lost agate Feb 17, 2020, 7:23 PM

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There has even been a proper solution brought and theres still people playing the blame game

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Just stop

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Seriously

ashen warren Feb 17, 2020, 7:23 PM

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Accusing devs of being ableist though is..

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That's probably going too far.

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Who even called the ableist card anyways? I have no idea what the fuck happened in this channel.

hearty yew Feb 17, 2020, 7:26 PM

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Then don't worry about it

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It'll all get buried in a few hours and we can go about our lives

tiny rose Feb 17, 2020, 7:26 PM

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Yeppo

hearty yew Feb 17, 2020, 7:26 PM

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In the end the correct solution has been reached which is "We are adjusting the effect to be less severe"

placid girder Feb 17, 2020, 7:57 PM

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Make Crescent Moon require Blue Moon to craft
Blue Moon current doesn't craft into anything and they both have Moon in the name and are both flails that are somewhat themed around the dungeon
It would also make sense as most of the other weapons with a similar theme also have weapons in their recipes

indigo fog Feb 17, 2020, 8:01 PM

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"both flails that are somewhat themed around the dungeon" Crescent Moon isn't dungeon themed. I can see why blue moon could be an ingredient though

distant gyro Feb 17, 2020, 8:02 PM

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~~it's both moons etc~~ I can see that being a thing

sand umbra Feb 17, 2020, 8:03 PM

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I'd agree more with this concept if Blue Moon and Crescent Moon weren't inherently different flail types

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I could more reasonaably see it taking Nebulash or Mourningstar

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but like it doesn't make a whole lotta sense for a bol flail to become a whip flail structurally speaking

indigo fog Feb 17, 2020, 8:05 PM

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I've never used the weapon before. Is it like Solar Eruption?

sand umbra Feb 17, 2020, 8:05 PM

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Crescent Moon is like Solar Eruption ye

placid girder Feb 17, 2020, 8:10 PM

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yeah maybe some other flail

sleek wadi Feb 17, 2020, 8:31 PM

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If Tumbleweed didn't exist, it'd be neat if you could combine Blue Moon and Sunfury to make a space-themed dual flail.

radiant meadow Feb 17, 2020, 8:50 PM

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it could take mourningstar

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since night's gaze takes daybreak

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also, I can fix the ice thing since its more of an oversight

indigo fog Feb 17, 2020, 8:52 PM

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If we do that then we also have to move Crescent Moon to Dragon pow and remove mourningstar from the recipe

radiant meadow Feb 17, 2020, 8:55 PM

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but what if I wanted mourningstar to have two upgrades HyperYharimJudge

indigo fog Feb 17, 2020, 8:56 PM

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I don't want to have to craft it twice

sand umbra Feb 17, 2020, 9:02 PM

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that's unfortunate then hyperEvasion

radiant meadow Feb 17, 2020, 9:12 PM

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You don't make the calls here.

ashen warren Feb 17, 2020, 9:16 PM

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haveacontract

tired haven Feb 17, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Crafting things twice is fine
A rare drop to be required twice is another story

radiant meadow Feb 17, 2020, 9:20 PM

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@ashen warren the following now use Any Ice or Any Snow:

Frost Bolt
Icicle Staff
Cryo Key
Ice Boomerang
Ice Skates
Ice Machine
Ice Mirror
Blizzard in a Bottle

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biome blade still must have untainted ice though

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next update coming soon™️

ashen warren Feb 17, 2020, 9:25 PM

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I

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O*

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It didn’t pop up in recipe browser

radiant meadow Feb 17, 2020, 9:27 PM

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I thought any snow would be fitting as well since Astral Snow exists

ashen warren Feb 17, 2020, 9:32 PM

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Am I thinking of Avalon that had a weapon that combined Blue Moon, Sunfury and Dao of Pao into an ultimate meme triple ball flail?

hollow shell Feb 17, 2020, 9:33 PM

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Probably that Nightmare thing that inspired Azathoth

ashen warren Feb 17, 2020, 9:33 PM

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Berserker Nightmare?

hollow shell Feb 17, 2020, 9:33 PM

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yeah that

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Actually, no it doesn't look like it
Not on the Avalon wiki at least (if that's really all that reliable)

ashen warren Feb 17, 2020, 9:34 PM

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I knew those had to be related somehow

hollow shell Feb 17, 2020, 9:35 PM

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Ah
There was Eclipse's Waning, which was basically a Terra flail
Crafted using Moonfury which combined Blue Moon and Sunfury, among other flails

hearty yew Feb 17, 2020, 9:35 PM

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Okay

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I'm totally down for removing mourningstar from Dragon Pow because it's not even the correct flail type

hollow shell Feb 17, 2020, 9:36 PM

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@cloud surge Needs a reason

hearty yew Feb 17, 2020, 9:36 PM

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I would much rather dpow be dao of pow + flower pow + ball o fugu + sunfury + blue moon + ball o hurt + meatball + flairon or whatever

cloud surge Feb 17, 2020, 9:36 PM

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accidently pressed enter

hearty yew Feb 17, 2020, 9:36 PM

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All the normal flails

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Since there are no "normal flails" in between in progression

hollow shell Feb 17, 2020, 9:37 PM

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That's not a great reason as it is
You could articulate why you feel like that death was undeserved

ashen warren Feb 17, 2020, 9:37 PM

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would there be an exo tier whipsword flail then or no?

radiant meadow Feb 17, 2020, 9:37 PM

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you would have to ask the patron though before adjusting its recipe

hollow shell Feb 17, 2020, 9:37 PM

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Well I mean
There's the Fist-type flails and the holdy-outy-ball-type flails

ashen warren Feb 17, 2020, 9:38 PM

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holdy-outy-ball-type flails

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beautiful

hollow shell Feb 17, 2020, 9:38 PM

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~~I'm not wrong~~

hearty yew Feb 17, 2020, 9:38 PM

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& the Balls of Hurt, yeah

ashen warren Feb 17, 2020, 9:39 PM

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Imagine three different exo tier flails

hearty yew Feb 17, 2020, 9:39 PM

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Golem fist is a flail, as is harpoon.

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Auric melee is ridiculously overstuffed as it is lmao

ashen warren Feb 17, 2020, 9:39 PM

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Truth

hearty yew Feb 17, 2020, 9:39 PM

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I would really not like to add Exo Eruption

radiant meadow Feb 17, 2020, 9:39 PM

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harpoon is a ranged weapon that functions like a flail

hearty yew Feb 17, 2020, 9:40 PM

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yeah that

hollow shell Feb 17, 2020, 9:40 PM

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You're prolly thinkin of Chain Knife

hearty yew Feb 17, 2020, 9:40 PM

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as is KO Cannon

hollow shell Feb 17, 2020, 9:40 PM

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Harpoon functions differently from both Thrown and Launched flails

hearty yew Feb 17, 2020, 9:40 PM

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No I was definitely thinking of harpoon, which is chain knife with a very high max length and gravity

radiant meadow Feb 17, 2020, 9:40 PM

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it's kinda like clam crusher

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or anchor

hollow shell Feb 17, 2020, 9:40 PM

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(also vanilla wiki does not define Solar Eruption as a flail but that's because it's a unique weapon, only one of it's type)

hearty yew Feb 17, 2020, 9:40 PM

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Clam crusher and anchor are both harpoon

ashen warren Feb 17, 2020, 9:41 PM

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Well Dualpoon and Triploon essentially function as a fist flail (with slight differences of course)

radiant meadow Feb 17, 2020, 9:41 PM

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I consider clam crusher and anchor to be launched flails

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(like golem fist and chain guillotines)

hearty yew Feb 17, 2020, 9:41 PM

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(and flairon)

radiant meadow Feb 17, 2020, 9:41 PM

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yes, there are several

tired haven Feb 17, 2020, 9:41 PM

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Anchor is leaning more towards harpoon ngl

radiant meadow Feb 17, 2020, 9:41 PM

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I know that

hearty yew Feb 17, 2020, 9:41 PM

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Fuck I never realized just how many flails there are in vanilla...

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Cause they're all useless

ashen warren Feb 17, 2020, 9:41 PM

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~~Really whipswords are not flails at all, they're whipswords~~

hearty yew Feb 17, 2020, 9:41 PM

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Literally every single one until solar eruption

hollow shell Feb 17, 2020, 9:41 PM

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There are

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tweylve

hearty yew Feb 17, 2020, 9:42 PM

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...

hollow shell Feb 17, 2020, 9:42 PM

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13 if you count Eruption

radiant meadow Feb 17, 2020, 9:42 PM

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flairon is pretty useful though

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the rest are pretty meme tier

hearty yew Feb 17, 2020, 9:42 PM

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okay I take that back yes flairon is decent

hollow shell Feb 17, 2020, 9:42 PM

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Chain Guillotines ain't too bad if you get em early

radiant meadow Feb 17, 2020, 9:42 PM

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ye

ashen warren Feb 17, 2020, 9:42 PM

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Honestly Dao of Pao keeps things away. Not good for bosses but not useless

radiant meadow Feb 17, 2020, 9:42 PM

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it's decent for twins iirc

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confused is literally a meme

hollow shell Feb 17, 2020, 9:43 PM

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Anyway

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We'd have to ask Buildmonger if removing Mourningstar from Dragon Pow is okay

ashen warren Feb 17, 2020, 9:43 PM

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well confused, but also knockback

zealous ridge Feb 17, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Dao is an easy craft in early hm and it’s pretty consistent I found for mini bosses like giant clam

radiant meadow Feb 17, 2020, 9:44 PM

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dao of pow is buffed in calamity

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as are all of the thrown flails

zealous ridge Feb 17, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Mhm

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I thought we were talking in a calamity-balanced situation?

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In vanilla it is arguably not amazing

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But a somewhat useful craft I’d say

radiant meadow Feb 17, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Ozzatron was referring to vanilla

zealous ridge Feb 17, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Ah

ashen warren Feb 17, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Dao is also a lot faster than the other ball flails

zealous ridge Feb 17, 2020, 9:45 PM

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well yeah I don’t really think it’s good in vanilla

tired haven Feb 17, 2020, 9:45 PM

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"arguably" it just isn't

radiant meadow Feb 17, 2020, 9:46 PM

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I really only know Dao of Pow for pvp server memes in vanilla

zealous ridge Feb 17, 2020, 9:46 PM

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I always thought the concept was cool but it wasn’t a really good weapon

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In cal it has pretty good merit dealing with most surface and underground enemies and mini bosses

cloud surge Feb 17, 2020, 9:47 PM

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why roxcalibur bouncing should reset fall damage

📎 Terraria__Epic_Dirt_2020-02-17_13-45-49.mp4

ashen warren Feb 17, 2020, 9:47 PM

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I always thought the concept was cool but it wasn’t a really good weapon
This sentence can apply to a lot of things in Terraria

radiant meadow Feb 17, 2020, 9:47 PM

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that's more of a bug that I'm unsure how to fix

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the rox thing

versed mica Feb 17, 2020, 9:48 PM

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That is a rather convincing demonstration

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But I don’t see how that’s intentional

hollow shell Feb 17, 2020, 9:48 PM

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Well, it's not

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Ben just said that :P

ashen warren Feb 17, 2020, 9:48 PM

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well at the same time, if you have Roxcalibur, you're in hardmode. Doesn't that also mean you have wings?

versed mica Feb 17, 2020, 9:49 PM

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Not necessarily

tired haven Feb 17, 2020, 9:49 PM

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Certainly not 100%

cloud surge Feb 17, 2020, 9:49 PM

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i dont have wings yet

versed mica Feb 17, 2020, 9:49 PM

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Rox is easier to get than wings

hollow shell Feb 17, 2020, 9:49 PM

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~~I don't think it should be, personally. But it is~~

radiant meadow Feb 17, 2020, 9:49 PM

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well

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if you luck out before hardmode

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you can keep it until its time

hollow shell Feb 17, 2020, 9:50 PM

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Yeah but it's like really easy to make in Hardmode

radiant meadow Feb 17, 2020, 9:50 PM

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assuming you're not a skyline geek

hollow shell Feb 17, 2020, 9:50 PM

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right at the start

cloud surge Feb 17, 2020, 9:50 PM

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ew skyline wings

radiant meadow Feb 17, 2020, 9:50 PM

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I could ask Javyz if he agrees to a recipe nerf

hollow shell Feb 17, 2020, 9:50 PM

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I was doing a rogue playthrough and just crafted it for shits and giggles because I had all the materials
and it was one of my best weapons for a while

cloud surge Feb 17, 2020, 9:50 PM

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so should i put that vid in #bugs-read-pins ?

radiant meadow Feb 17, 2020, 9:51 PM

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hey, something has to combat rogue being super strong

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HyperFailure

hollow shell Feb 17, 2020, 9:51 PM

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A weapon so strong it transcends beyond damage types HyperFailure

tired haven Feb 17, 2020, 9:51 PM

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It's supposed to be daedalus iirc failure

gusty grail Feb 17, 2020, 9:52 PM

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there is a suggestion before the new cap with 131 stars but no tick

hollow shell Feb 17, 2020, 9:52 PM

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Have patience

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And read pins

cloud surge Feb 17, 2020, 9:52 PM

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old kelvin catalyst CompleteFailure

hollow shell Feb 17, 2020, 9:52 PM

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📎 unknown.png

gusty grail Feb 17, 2020, 9:53 PM

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~~no u~~

hollow shell Feb 17, 2020, 9:53 PM

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ok

sand umbra Feb 17, 2020, 9:58 PM

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question: has it been suggested before that Skeletron gain some sort of delayed spawn or other mechanic that prevents him from cheapshotting you in 2 nanoseconds when you start the fight

queen delta Feb 17, 2020, 9:59 PM

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Really, dude? This is how you react, trollarflare?

hollow shell Feb 17, 2020, 9:59 PM

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Yes that has been suggested before

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But lemme see how long ago

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There was a suggestion to change his spawn location about a month ago...

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The brief no-damage period after spawning was suggested late-June

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so it still does fall under bluecheck

sand umbra Feb 17, 2020, 10:00 PM

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mmmmm

hollow shell Feb 17, 2020, 10:00 PM

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You can still suggest it, of course

sand umbra Feb 17, 2020, 10:01 PM

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well yes but bluecheck meme

hollow shell Feb 17, 2020, 10:01 PM

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https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/590708170809409539

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~~technically that one earlier this month also should have been a bluecheck because of the "or" but sssh, we cannot undo the past~~

sand umbra Feb 17, 2020, 10:01 PM

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it's. honestly still something that really does need to be addressed

gusty grail Feb 17, 2020, 10:02 PM

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fixed my message so its more ironic i guess

sand umbra Feb 17, 2020, 10:02 PM

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especially in Death where he has double the arms for double the cheap hits HyperFailure

hearty yew Feb 17, 2020, 10:02 PM

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@cloud surge I would honestly categorize that suggestion as more of a bug report.

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It sounds like a bug report.

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roxcalibur bounce should count as a double jump and reset fall damage when it happens

radiant meadow Feb 17, 2020, 10:03 PM

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but how to reset fall dmg

sand umbra Feb 17, 2020, 10:04 PM

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player.fallStart = (int)(player.position.Y / 16f)

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m

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put this at the point where bounce does the thing

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should prevent fall damage meme

radiant meadow Feb 17, 2020, 10:06 PM

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okie dokie

tired haven Feb 17, 2020, 10:06 PM

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Technically it should be higher (as you bounce up), but since it's a buff to a player, seems fine

radiant meadow Feb 17, 2020, 10:07 PM

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that's more annoying to calculate

tired haven Feb 17, 2020, 10:08 PM

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Yeah

radiant meadow Feb 17, 2020, 10:11 PM

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if that works, it's fixed

foggy plover Feb 17, 2020, 10:57 PM

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@ashen warren recipe browser is exactly that

unique vector Feb 17, 2020, 10:57 PM

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^

foggy plover Feb 17, 2020, 10:57 PM

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like exactly that

unique vector Feb 17, 2020, 10:57 PM

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we dont want to add content that directly overlaps other modded content

ashen warren Feb 17, 2020, 10:57 PM

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The what?

unique vector Feb 17, 2020, 10:58 PM

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recipe browser

foggy plover Feb 17, 2020, 10:58 PM

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the mod recipe browser

unique vector Feb 17, 2020, 10:58 PM

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another mod

ashen warren Feb 17, 2020, 10:58 PM

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Oh.

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Does it also show Calamity recipes?

foggy plover Feb 17, 2020, 10:58 PM

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yup

unique vector Feb 17, 2020, 10:58 PM

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next time, ask around if something exists before suggesting to add it

ashen warren Feb 17, 2020, 10:58 PM

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Oh. I didn't know it existed, sorry.

unique vector Feb 17, 2020, 10:58 PM

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chances are another mod already does it for you

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np, dw

ashen warren Feb 17, 2020, 10:58 PM

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Suggestion has been deleted.

unique vector Feb 17, 2020, 10:58 PM

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thank you

gusty grail Feb 17, 2020, 11:10 PM

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is there a reason why face melter doesnt play this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHtQsIENRZ8

YouTube

Protomango

[Enter the Gungeon] - Facemelter Song

\m/

▶ Play video

foggy kindle Feb 17, 2020, 11:12 PM

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Copyright or something I guess

toxic kettle Feb 17, 2020, 11:12 PM

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Plagiarism?

gusty grail Feb 17, 2020, 11:12 PM

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welp time to see if i cant ask dodgeroll about it lol

tired haven Feb 17, 2020, 11:12 PM

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(also because it's not a reference from etg iirc)

gusty grail Feb 17, 2020, 11:13 PM

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it is tho

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behaves the exact same

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amplifier and all

tired haven Feb 17, 2020, 11:14 PM

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Well yes, I meant that etg one is a reference too

foggy plover Feb 17, 2020, 11:15 PM

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its a donator item as well

maiden bone Feb 17, 2020, 11:33 PM

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Idk if this is the right channel (or if there is a channel) but why does the handheld tank use tiger skin to craft?

sand umbra Feb 17, 2020, 11:35 PM

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because that's what the patron wanted

hollow shell Feb 17, 2020, 11:35 PM

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It's a reference to "Tiger" tanks used by the Germans

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_I

Tiger I

The Tiger I (listen ), a German heavy tank of World War II, operated from 1942 in Africa and Europe, usually in independent heavy-tank battalions. Its final designation was Panzerkampfwagen VI Tiger Ausf. E often shortened to Tiger. The Tiger I gave the German Army its first...

lost agate Feb 18, 2020, 12:18 AM

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Re: Rox thingo
Good god just how many things does a pseudo mount need to have ech

toxic kettle Feb 18, 2020, 12:26 AM

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that suggestion is emotionally loaded

indigo fog Feb 18, 2020, 12:27 AM

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That's not the best comparison imo

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those 2 are later in progression

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but i can see what you mean

frail mantle Feb 18, 2020, 12:27 AM

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also judging how good a weapon is by its base damage meme

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 12:27 AM

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Eldritch Tome > Serpentine.

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@frail mantle Not just the base damage though.

frail mantle Feb 18, 2020, 12:28 AM

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isn't Serpentine that one tome that ignores i-frames or some shit?

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 12:28 AM

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It doesn't even have infinite pierce and even though it has ''rapid fire'', it doesn't do enough damage to justify wasting time and mana on it.

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Also, no.

frail mantle Feb 18, 2020, 12:28 AM

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huh

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 12:28 AM

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The Serpentine is a Hardmode spell tome that is dropped by Sea Serpents with a 1/4 (25%) chance. It casts a serpent projectile that homes in on the mouse cursor and is not affected by gravity. The projectile propels itself forward, dissipating on contact with tiles, and propels itself back to the area of the mouse cursor. It can pierce up to 4 enemies, dissipating upon contact with the fifth.

indigo fog Feb 18, 2020, 12:28 AM

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did you just copy and paste the wiki page

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 12:29 AM

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Yeah.

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 12:29 AM

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well I might as well

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 12:29 AM

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I was too lazy to describe the item.

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 12:29 AM

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gonna give my two cents on this:

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how the shit does Serpentine's projectile move

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 12:29 AM

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I've used the Serpentine and compared it to pre-Hardmode spells.

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@sand umbra It homes in on the mouse cursor, but not like Magic Missile.

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The controls are much worse and jankier.

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 12:30 AM

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...that was a rhetorical question but alright

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I already knew how it moves

zealous ridge Feb 18, 2020, 12:30 AM

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I almost feel like it was balanced for post-ds but they moved the sea serpent to hm... I do think it should get some sort of buff

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 12:30 AM

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but like. I literally can't comprehend how it works to save my life

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 12:30 AM

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It's really bad.

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The base damage plays a huge role in how bad it is due to it being so low and defense being so high.

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Meaning each hit only does around 1-5 damage.

zealous ridge Feb 18, 2020, 12:31 AM

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the damage is basically insignificant

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 12:31 AM

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So, since it hits an enemy 5 times maximum, you're talking about..

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5-25 damage.

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30 if you're lucky with some crits.

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 12:31 AM

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it's a neat weapon concept

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 12:32 AM

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And, sure, it can be rapid fired.

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 12:32 AM

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but the controls make much less sense than e.g. a yo-yo and its base damage combined with rising enemy defense causes it to be beyond underwhelming

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 12:32 AM

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But so can Crystal Storm. Which is easier to get.

zealous ridge Feb 18, 2020, 12:32 AM

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it’s a bit janky but it might be powerful if it wasn’t so abysmally low in raw stats

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 12:32 AM

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That’s basically as strong as the Hellwing Staff, if even that

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No, it's unfair to compare it to Hardmode spells.

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And the Hellwing Staff is Pre-Skeletron

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There is literally no reason to pick Serpentine.

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 12:33 AM

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therefore it requires buffage

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 12:33 AM

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I'm not even gonna sugarcoat it and try and bring up good counter arguments.

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 12:33 AM

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so that it too may grace the list of weapons I might use against Destroyer

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hyperEvasion

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 12:33 AM

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The Serpentine is worthless.

zealous ridge Feb 18, 2020, 12:33 AM

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Yeh it is in a very bad wep

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 12:33 AM

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It has no saving graces.

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It's not even a meme. It's just bad.

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Using the weapon seriously is like saying ''please, literally just kill me right here and now''.

zealous ridge Feb 18, 2020, 12:34 AM

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...I mean

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 12:34 AM

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You might say ''oh it's good vs Destroyer because it pierces!''

zenith hazel Feb 18, 2020, 12:34 AM

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I’ll look into it

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 12:34 AM

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The controls are janky and the damage is just so..

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Depressing.

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 12:35 AM

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a noticeable buff to base damage would actually make it fairly viable for Destroyer

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 12:35 AM

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It's enough to make me cry.

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Pretty sure Serpentine will always do 1 damage to Destroyer lmao

zenith hazel Feb 18, 2020, 12:35 AM

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ok we get it

zealous ridge Feb 18, 2020, 12:35 AM

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It’s certainly disappointing but I do know from experience that being so aggressively annoyed by the poor weapon will not generate dev support

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 12:35 AM

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Either buff it, or honestly..

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Make it Pre-HM.

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Wouldn't be a bad solution.

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You could use it vs EoW or DS.

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 12:35 AM

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pre-HM Sea Serpents iirc

zealous ridge Feb 18, 2020, 12:35 AM

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that was planned I think

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But they were moved to hm

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 12:36 AM

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make 'em and Blinded Anglers post-DS like literally everything else in the biome

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txvsn

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 12:36 AM

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Instead of making the ''Copper Shortsword challenge''.

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I have a challenge.

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Serpentine vs all bosses.

indigo fog Feb 18, 2020, 12:36 AM

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shortsword is worse

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It's not that bad

zealous ridge Feb 18, 2020, 12:36 AM

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Okay now we’re literally just memeing on it this isn’t productive

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Calm down fellas

zenith hazel Feb 18, 2020, 12:36 AM

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again, we get it, the wep’s bad, you don’t need to elaborate on it that bad

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I already said I was gonna look into it, damn

zealous ridge Feb 18, 2020, 12:37 AM

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I know sepentine is bad but we don’t have to literally throw the thing into the abyss

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honestly it has a lot of potential, a damage buff is really all it needs

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 12:37 AM

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We’re supposed to be pulling it out of the abyss, not shoving it further down there

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Even with the damage buff, it bothers me because there are..

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A lot of piercing weapons for mages.

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Like the Magical Harp.

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 12:38 AM

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~~but what if

Serpentine but Abyss~~

zenith hazel Feb 18, 2020, 12:38 AM

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you have options, just pick whichever you want

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 12:38 AM

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~~Magical Harp takes AS or Twins btw~~

zenith hazel Feb 18, 2020, 12:39 AM

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there’s like 7-8 melee weps pre-scal yet everyone feels fine with it, because it’s not a big issue

zealous ridge Feb 18, 2020, 12:39 AM

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okay but a piercing, controllable spell that follows the cursor kind of is something I believe is only shared by the shifting sands spell

zenith hazel Feb 18, 2020, 12:39 AM

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that’s because most of them are usable against scal herself

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 12:39 AM

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Thing is, it's not just the damage. Like Thomas said, the controls are so jank.

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 12:39 AM

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the controls are really janky and confusing

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 12:39 AM

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Yeah. It has a path of its own, but then it just follows your cursor after a brief delay.

zealous ridge Feb 18, 2020, 12:40 AM

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Well we didn’t talk about that in the suggestion

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 12:40 AM

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Then it continues flying, makes a sharp turn and comes back to you.

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There. @zealous ridge

smoky wagon Feb 18, 2020, 12:45 AM

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Give the Elysian Wings some sort of unique effect
The Elysian Wings have literally nothing to make them stand out from any other pair of wings. Tarragon Wings, which occupy the same tier, have superior stats and a bonus when used with Tarragon Armor, making them objectively better. Elysian Wings in their current state have no reason for their existence other than to be crafted into Elysian Tracers later.

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anyone have a problem with this

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 12:46 AM

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No, because I haven't gotten to that part.

hallow kraken Feb 18, 2020, 12:48 AM

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~~aren’t both shadecrystal barrage and arctic bear paw both post-cryogen while serpentine is pre-hm boss~~

smoky wagon Feb 18, 2020, 12:48 AM

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well compare it to posiedon or relic of ruin

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 12:48 AM

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(you'll be disappointed)

hallow kraken Feb 18, 2020, 12:49 AM

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Thought different examples should be used

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 12:49 AM

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@hallow kraken Serpentine is HM.

hallow kraken Feb 18, 2020, 12:49 AM

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pre-hm boss

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 12:49 AM

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Wrong.

smoky wagon Feb 18, 2020, 12:49 AM

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Serpentine can be gotten before cryogen

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 12:49 AM

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It's HM.

hallow kraken Feb 18, 2020, 12:49 AM

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that’s what I said

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Before a hardmode boss

indigo fog Feb 18, 2020, 12:49 AM

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pre-hm boss means before a hm boss

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 12:50 AM

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Ah, then yes. But still, it's outclassed by actual pre-HM magic.

hallow kraken Feb 18, 2020, 12:50 AM

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I think you should use different examples

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Good sug otherwise

indigo fog Feb 18, 2020, 12:50 AM

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that could be your comparison instead of arctic bear paw and shadecrystal

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 12:51 AM

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Done.

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 1:11 AM

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Like I said before, Hellwing staff would be a good comparison if you need a specific example

hollow idol Feb 18, 2020, 2:14 AM

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Rainbow bricks arent necessary for anything in Calamity so I would imagine giving them more drops wouldnt happen

toxic kettle Feb 18, 2020, 2:15 AM

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Rainbow Slimes aren't that uncommon if you use Water Candles and such

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And they give you like 40 blocks at once

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 2:18 AM

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Yes, but rainbow slimes can only be found in the rain, illumanant mobs can be found at anytime.

potent veldt Feb 18, 2020, 2:18 AM

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You can also control the rain, later on

zenith hazel Feb 18, 2020, 2:19 AM

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regarding the serpentine suggestion: no it does not really need a buff since it's already great against cryo, it doesn't need to be good against worm bosses because there's already plenty of other viable piercing/AoE options post-cryo for destroyer and AS @ashen warren

toxic kettle Feb 18, 2020, 2:19 AM

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[[Torrential Tear]]

red stormBOT Feb 18, 2020, 2:19 AM

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https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Torrential_Tear

toxic kettle Feb 18, 2020, 2:20 AM

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Torrential Tear is post-Skeletron, Rainbow Slimes are Hardmode

indigo fog Feb 18, 2020, 2:21 AM

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Why do you even need rainbow bricks anyway

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 2:21 AM

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I have actually never seen this item before, thats actually pretty cool.

hexed ore Feb 18, 2020, 2:22 AM

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Damn it, Polterghast suggestion won't make it even though it's retarded how many clones he has

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pain

potent veldt Feb 18, 2020, 2:23 AM

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Believe

hallow kraken Feb 18, 2020, 2:24 AM

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I’m getting a memory, time to dive into don’t doc

potent veldt Feb 18, 2020, 2:24 AM

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Is Martian Invasion Summons in there

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Because if it is, I honestly don't see why

zenith hazel Feb 18, 2020, 2:24 AM

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it's frequently suggested iirc

hallow kraken Feb 18, 2020, 2:24 AM

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Under frequently suggested

potent veldt Feb 18, 2020, 2:24 AM

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Ah, fair

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Martian Madness already sucks anyway, at least make it less insufferable

snow hull Feb 18, 2020, 2:27 AM

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smugyon

indigo fog Feb 18, 2020, 2:38 AM

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This sounds like a lot of work to fully implement

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and i like the mechanics as they currently are

solemn flame Feb 18, 2020, 2:38 AM

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Yes, but since they added lightning and such

radiant meadow Feb 18, 2020, 2:38 AM

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they're already a enough of a headache to balance as is ech

indigo fog Feb 18, 2020, 2:39 AM

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This is like entirely replacing the mechanics

solemn flame Feb 18, 2020, 2:39 AM

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bruh

indigo fog Feb 18, 2020, 2:39 AM

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at least adrenaline

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I don't see what's the issue with the current rippers

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 2:40 AM

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can we like

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don't

solemn flame Feb 18, 2020, 2:41 AM

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Was an idea I had playing multi

toxic kettle Feb 18, 2020, 2:42 AM

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I mean it makes sense but that's like another complete overhaul of the mechanics

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 2:44 AM

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~~Death mode got entirely replaced so I’m missing the point~~

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 2:45 AM

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ok but seriously
I'm not sure how others feel but personally I'd rather not have rippers reworked entirely

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especially now that I'm actually starting to get used to balancing against them

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 2:46 AM

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I never particularly liked rippers to begin with

radiant meadow Feb 18, 2020, 2:46 AM

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then don't use them

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 2:47 AM

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I like the concept from a gameplay perspective

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but from a balancing perspective they just give me a headache NPCDryadNotLike

radiant meadow Feb 18, 2020, 2:47 AM

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it's better than before though

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 2:47 AM

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truths

radiant meadow Feb 18, 2020, 2:47 AM

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death rippers gave a stomachache in tandem with said headache

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 2:48 AM

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I guess the Martian summoning item can be removed from the Don'ts

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considering the most recent one was in 2018...

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 2:48 AM

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Death rippers were beyond painful to balance against echmega

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so yeah, they're definitely in a better state than before

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(the damage boosts provided by rippers are also much more consistent now, especially with the changes to Adrenaline, so like)

radiant meadow Feb 18, 2020, 2:50 AM

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tell ya what, if someone makes a good sprite, I'll consider martian summoning item CompleteFailure

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assuming I can figure out how to start an invasion

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but it shouldn't be that hard

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 2:50 AM

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I'll remove it from the Don'ts

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Frequently Suggested Don'ts now have an official 2 year expiration time HDfailure

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 2:51 AM

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HDfailure

radiant meadow Feb 18, 2020, 2:51 AM

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taxevasion

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 2:51 AM

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Wow

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 2:51 AM

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what other memes have been on there 2 years, one wonders

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 2:51 AM

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Probably a lot, actually
Considering they're not allowed to be posted after being put in there

radiant meadow Feb 18, 2020, 2:51 AM

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that may be why they haven't been suggested in 2 years

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CompleteFailure

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 2:51 AM

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indeed

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It's like a super bluecheck

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except also fuck you

earnest phoenix Feb 18, 2020, 2:52 AM

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anal probe
summons the martian invasion smugyon

radiant meadow Feb 18, 2020, 2:52 AM

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no

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 2:52 AM

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.. I could prolly remove all of these SIS ones

radiant meadow Feb 18, 2020, 2:52 AM

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we are not going there

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 2:53 AM

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In fact I will, cuz they were all SISs at the time of posting, and now any suggestions for them will be much more well-reasoned

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 2:54 AM

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~~also can we make "Add Yoyo Bag to Elemental Gauntlet" also a "shouldn't"~~

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 2:54 AM

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... except Exo Gun
Exo Gun will stay in this list

radiant meadow Feb 18, 2020, 2:54 AM

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Add Yoyo Bag to Elemental Gauntlet I will automatically reject

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 2:54 AM

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good

radiant meadow Feb 18, 2020, 2:55 AM

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if it comes up, the devs can just give the 🖕

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because I don't need to balance the obliterator, oracle, and azathoth gaining a new accessory out of nowhere

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 2:55 AM

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byeah

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 2:56 AM

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Well I mean

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Yoyo Bag still exists

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 2:56 AM

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well yes, but adding it to Gauntlet would mean a new acc slot for yo-yo players

radiant meadow Feb 18, 2020, 2:56 AM

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from a balancing perspective, I'm saying no

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 2:57 AM

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and especially now that Calamity yo-yos work properly, having to rebalance against that new slot would be

an experience, to say the least CompleteFailure

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in other news, idle observation: a lot of the "Frequently Suggested" themes seem to be either incredibly uncommon nowadays or outright invalidated by new content
e.g. KS rope anti-cheese is now an actual Rev+ thing so like

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:00 AM

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m
Should I remove that as well so that if it's ever suggested again, we can just point to Crown Jewel?

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:00 AM

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I was actually referring to how Rev+ KS now adjusts his jump height based on where he is in relevance to the player

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but yeah Crown Jewel works too

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:00 AM

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Ah, two

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:00 AM

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HDfailure

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:00 AM

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so yeah then I'll remove it

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:01 AM

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~~meanwhile poor DS gets left in the dust, figuratively and literally~~

radiant meadow Feb 18, 2020, 3:01 AM

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I wouldn't remove it

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because sometimes people point out DS platform "cheese"

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:01 AM

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The Don't will stay

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but that specific instance in the Frequently Suggesteds wont

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for KS.

radiant meadow Feb 18, 2020, 3:02 AM

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mm yes

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Frequently suggested & don'ts shouldn't cover the same ground too much

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other than like exo gun

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:02 AM

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📎 unknown.png

radiant meadow Feb 18, 2020, 3:02 AM

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because exo gun

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:02 AM

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Fair enough I guess

hallow kraken Feb 18, 2020, 3:02 AM

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Why is combining lore items both listed as a Don’t and mentioned in frequently asked?

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:03 AM

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Because that suggestion was never accepted

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:03 AM

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I mean, to be fair

if Rev+ KS got adjusted to cuck rope cheese
why is Rev+ DS immune to "anti-cheese" when the fact that that "cheese" makes DS actively easier than KS in all regards

~~also who needs exo gun when you have exo launcher that fires big fuck-off homing rockets that split into big fuck off lasers ~~

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:03 AM

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It always got taken down in this channel but there was nothing official on it, just a logical explanation

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so I made it official

radiant meadow Feb 18, 2020, 3:03 AM

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my official declaration is no, we're not combining lore items

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:03 AM

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Yeah

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That'd defeat the point

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:04 AM

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agreed

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combining lore items is smelly

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:04 AM

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... well
now they have balancing beyond just inventory space because of the downsides

hallow kraken Feb 18, 2020, 3:04 AM

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Yeah, I get the reason

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:04 AM

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but, still

radiant meadow Feb 18, 2020, 3:04 AM

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also, apparently magnomaly was originally sprited to be an exo gun

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but it looked more like a rocket launcher so feelsgreat

hallow kraken Feb 18, 2020, 3:04 AM

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I was asking why it’s listed twice in different categories

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:04 AM

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and then it became the exo big-fuck-off-rocket launcher feelsgreat

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~~which if you ask me is cooler anyway and still fits the bill~~

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:04 AM

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A few things are listed twice

proud isle Feb 18, 2020, 3:05 AM

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I feel like king slime’s gem should be less accurate. It’s accuracy makes fighting it even with little or no mobility easy as long as you’re moving.

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:05 AM

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I guess I can remove it from Frequently Suggested cuz it never got delivered... I guess?

hallow kraken Feb 18, 2020, 3:06 AM

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So give it random snipes?

radiant meadow Feb 18, 2020, 3:06 AM

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unaccurate things are horrid to fight against

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:06 AM

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KS' gem will not be less accurate

radiant meadow Feb 18, 2020, 3:06 AM

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old retinazer GWvictoriaNotLikeBlob

hallow kraken Feb 18, 2020, 3:06 AM

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moon lord

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:06 AM

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fuck Retinazer, howzabout

radiant meadow Feb 18, 2020, 3:06 AM

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old prime laser AAAAA

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:06 AM

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P R I M E L A S E R

radiant meadow Feb 18, 2020, 3:06 AM

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moon lord wasn't random

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he was actually very predictable

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but he leads his shots so fuck you

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:07 AM

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old Prime Laser.

also known as "hey, you feelin' lucky, punk? here, roll this six-cylinder to see if you live past the opening 5 seconds of Skeletron Prime's fight tonight!"

hallow kraken Feb 18, 2020, 3:07 AM

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Also, KS jewel feels fine

proud isle Feb 18, 2020, 3:07 AM

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I just don’t like the ks gem being an early game joke enemy like golem’s head that can’t ever hit you if you aren’t blind and without limbs

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:08 AM

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It is the first boss, remember that

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:08 AM

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fun fact: KS is the first boss of the game

radiant meadow Feb 18, 2020, 3:08 AM

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it's mainly just to discourage standing still

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that's all it's really there for

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:08 AM

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one of the two anti-cheeses

hallow kraken Feb 18, 2020, 3:08 AM

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makes turning around more difficult

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:08 AM

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funnily enough, both of KS' anti-cheeses are essentially designed to combat rope cheese

proud isle Feb 18, 2020, 3:08 AM

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I guess so.

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:08 AM

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~~also "like Golem's Head"~~
~~That's a good one~~

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:09 AM

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Rev+ Golem Head is actually a threat

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a destructible threat, but a threat

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:09 AM

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The Antithesis of Rogue Stealth

tired haven Feb 18, 2020, 3:09 AM

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I only get to imagine what tier ks would end up in if all the community reworks are supported for giggles Ech

radiant meadow Feb 18, 2020, 3:09 AM

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less of anti cheese rather than make the higher difficulty fights more interesting

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:10 AM

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The Antithesis of Rogue Stealth

~~you mean this isn't how you define half the game prior to the upcoming update?~~

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LeviKek

tepid root Feb 18, 2020, 3:10 AM

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ks will ascend to be harder than slime god if the community reworked bosses

proud isle Feb 18, 2020, 3:10 AM

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I feel like my focus on king slime is a product of it being one of the only very easy fights in this update along with skeletron and moonlord

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:11 AM

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it's the first boss of the game

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it's not supposed to be particularly difficult

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:11 AM

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Did you say Moon Lord was very easy

hallow kraken Feb 18, 2020, 3:11 AM

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woah dude

proud isle Feb 18, 2020, 3:11 AM

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Yes

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:11 AM

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I mean given that his eyes don't lol out of their sockets ML's way easier to understand

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:11 AM

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Did you last play it like 2 years ago?

toxic kettle Feb 18, 2020, 3:11 AM

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Cease

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:11 AM

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also, hot take:

proud isle Feb 18, 2020, 3:12 AM

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I played it yesterday and was a bit disappointed

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:12 AM

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In Rev

tired haven Feb 18, 2020, 3:12 AM

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Skeletron, unless meant to be normal mode, too

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:12 AM

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Death Skeletron is now easier than Rev Skeletron

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 3:12 AM

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Facts

proud isle Feb 18, 2020, 3:12 AM

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If you are just careful with dodging the ml eye lasers you’re fine and won’t have too much trouble

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:12 AM

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reasoning:

the Death rework to Skeletron shoved most of his difficulty and cheapshots to the start of the fight

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:13 AM

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Rev Moon Lord is fuckin nuts

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:13 AM

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~~not as nuts as the meme Normal/Expert ML~~

hallow kraken Feb 18, 2020, 3:13 AM

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Alright, so deathmode players don’t get the cool roar anymore? Unfair

proud isle Feb 18, 2020, 3:13 AM

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It dies very fast

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:13 AM

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Even if you could argue it's not the absolute hardest fight in the mod, maybe Yharon or SCal take that title instead,

I'd be hard pressed to say it's one of the easiest

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:13 AM

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correct, Death players no longer have to deal with the funny hand rez at 1/3 health

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:13 AM

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inb4 you used Fargo's Souls

proud isle Feb 18, 2020, 3:14 AM

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It was easier than any bosses at the same point of the game besides like lunatic cultist and profaned guardians

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:14 AM

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because Death Skeletron just has all 4 of his hands right out the gate

hallow kraken Feb 18, 2020, 3:14 AM

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but I wanna hear the roar

proud isle Feb 18, 2020, 3:14 AM

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Fargo’s is for chumps

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:14 AM

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play Rev then

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:14 AM

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This I can agree with

zenith hazel Feb 18, 2020, 3:14 AM

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how did it die very fast? what were you even using?

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:14 AM

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if you want the funny hand rez w/ roar and less chance of getting memed 2 seconds in, play Rev
if you want the funny Skeletron Prime imitation for 50 cheap hits on spawning play Death

proud isle Feb 18, 2020, 3:14 AM

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Glass cannon rogue

zenith hazel Feb 18, 2020, 3:15 AM

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that explains a lot

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:15 AM

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hrm.

tepid root Feb 18, 2020, 3:15 AM

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ngl death skeletron was pretty easy, killed him first try but was expecting to die like a fuckton ech

proud isle Feb 18, 2020, 3:15 AM

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Same

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:15 AM

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y'know, it's honestly hilarious

both Skeletrons have the highest potential to cheapshot and/or kill the player at the start of their respective fights

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both of them actually become easier as their fights progress

tepid root Feb 18, 2020, 3:16 AM

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didnt even get hit by any cheap shots which was lol

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:16 AM

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Skeletron can bat you with his hands the moment he spawns because of the funny spawn method

tepid root Feb 18, 2020, 3:16 AM

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~~other than that :echprime:~~

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:16 AM

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and Prime just has Prime Laser which shoots like 2 nanoseconds in

proud isle Feb 18, 2020, 3:16 AM

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I fought skeletron a second time though and got stuck in him and died immediately

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:17 AM

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yeah the start of Skeletron's fight can seriously make or break the attempt

proud isle Feb 18, 2020, 3:17 AM

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He just hit me like 5 times when he spawned on top of me

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:17 AM

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his spawning method means you are nearly guaranteed to suffer a couple cheap hits as you get out to your arena

proud isle Feb 18, 2020, 3:18 AM

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I gotta sleep now cya

tepid root Feb 18, 2020, 3:18 AM

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gn

toxic kettle Feb 18, 2020, 3:19 AM

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Even though it spawns above you now instead of on you?

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:19 AM

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it does?

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I wasn't aware they changed it so that speaking to the Old Man about his curse doesn't get you a 3x combo from the head or hands

toxic kettle Feb 18, 2020, 3:21 AM

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Wait maybe that was just a suggestion that got 🏁

tepid root Feb 18, 2020, 3:21 AM

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ech

toxic kettle Feb 18, 2020, 3:22 AM

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Haven't fought Skeletron in a while

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:22 AM

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Didn't get flagged
Just got upthumbed

tepid root Feb 18, 2020, 3:22 AM

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also minor sugma time maybe:
Make tesla potions not kill critters.
❔ : This is a really minor thing, but it's pretty annoying that you just kill every critter that comes near you. This is especially annoying when you see a gold critter, but don't want to get rid of the potion. And considering how early game this potion is, golden critters are pretty valuable at that point.

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:22 AM

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Sounds fair

tepid root Feb 18, 2020, 3:23 AM

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h

indigo fog Feb 18, 2020, 3:24 AM

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Do Inferno Potions also do that?

tepid root Feb 18, 2020, 3:24 AM

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mmmm good question

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id probably know if i ever bothered to get them LeviKek

indigo fog Feb 18, 2020, 3:26 AM

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Just tested and it doesn't

tepid root Feb 18, 2020, 3:27 AM

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ok so thats one more reason ig

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consistency

indigo fog Feb 18, 2020, 3:27 AM

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so I don't see why this shouldn't be changed

sleek wadi Feb 18, 2020, 3:40 AM

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Spread some of the Martian Saucer's drops to other Martian Madness enemies
Martian Madness is currently just waiting for Martian Saucer while a bunch of fodder clog up spawns. Not only is this hella boring but also inconsistent with vanilla's other events because those event filler also get some drops such as the Warblade from Goblins. Moving some of Martian Saucer's drops to other mobs will both make the event more interesting and make getting those drops easier.

Examples of moving drops include:
Xenopopper to Ray Gunner
Influx Waver to Gigazapper
Xeno Staff to Martian Engineers
Cosmic Car Key to Martian Drones

tepid root Feb 18, 2020, 3:40 AM

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blue check iirc

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not this ^

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:40 AM

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okay so actually

tepid root Feb 18, 2020, 3:40 AM

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the one in #suggestions-voting

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:40 AM

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@west prairie https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/676426314064068648

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🚫

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:40 AM

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why are all of the Martian Madness drops associated with Martian Saucers at once

tepid root Feb 18, 2020, 3:41 AM

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pretty sure all the actual drops except the brain scrambler are from saucer

west prairie Feb 18, 2020, 3:41 AM

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Good to know, although winter cape specifically has the strongest argument

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:41 AM

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Indeed

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I'm not sure why it got rejected

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but

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it did.

west prairie Feb 18, 2020, 3:41 AM

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maybe it was the fact all the other cloaks got tied up with it?

tepid root Feb 18, 2020, 3:41 AM

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and then you have the fact that you never get brain scrambler because you actually have to kill the dude on the scutlix before the scutlix itself otherwise its not a scutlix gunner

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:41 AM

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... in fact it was universally rejected by like 5 devs

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o > o

west prairie Feb 18, 2020, 3:42 AM

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although, if it was those that made it a problem, it would have been partially accepted for just the winter cloak.

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instead of rejected wholesale

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:42 AM

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universally rejected by like 5 devs

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df

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I mean I get they're vanity items but

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:43 AM

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Here was the extent of the dev talk

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west prairie Feb 18, 2020, 3:43 AM

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thats a fair reason

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:43 AM

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They then moved on to talk about that one suggestion about the Underwater-ifying accessory

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:44 AM

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if you ask me, vanity items acquired only from the Travelling Merchant shouldn't have actual gameplay implications in the first place, but they do in some (albeit quite rare) scenarios
I'm certain the person who donated for Handheld Tank is a neat person but like why Tiger Skin of all the possible things, couldn't it just be a reference by design

west prairie Feb 18, 2020, 3:45 AM

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thats true

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:53 AM

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Changelog 37

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DankEyes

tepid root Feb 18, 2020, 3:53 AM

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yo what

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big

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 3:54 AM

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If I do not see this exact motion in-game
I'm suing

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tepid root Feb 18, 2020, 3:54 AM

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same tho

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 3:55 AM

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that's a big mood tho

radiant meadow Feb 18, 2020, 4:18 AM

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I can look into not harming critters with tesla potion

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Probably with canhitnpc

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 4:20 AM

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should be able to just check against npc.CanBeChasedBy()
since iirc that includes just about all critters by definition

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I'd have to look at the method again

ancient widget Feb 18, 2020, 4:30 AM

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That'd be awful actually

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Since various hostile enemies turn npc.chaseable off in Calamity during certain situations

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Mostly bosses

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So the potion would just not work on them

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During those phases

radiant meadow Feb 18, 2020, 4:33 AM

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I think I can just check for npc.friendly

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 4:33 AM

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Nah
Baby Ghost Bells aren't npc.friendly

ancient widget Feb 18, 2020, 4:33 AM

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Check npc.catchItem

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Those are only not 0 if the npc can be caught by a bug net

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 4:34 AM

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Ah yep

ancient widget Feb 18, 2020, 4:34 AM

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Should work for all critters, yeah

radiant meadow Feb 18, 2020, 4:34 AM

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Ye

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Radiator can meme but it's fine

tulip parcel Feb 18, 2020, 5:20 AM

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What if there was like...

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Two phm accessories that did nothing but grant immunity to the cold and heat penalties of entering certain biomes

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You know, the deathmode biome environment debuffs

indigo fog Feb 18, 2020, 5:22 AM

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Why do we need that?

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 5:22 AM

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Well I mean
It's not hard to obtain methods of doing so early on

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Not too hard

tulip parcel Feb 18, 2020, 5:22 AM

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Are there?

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It kinda looked like the earliest you could get em was like, you gotta get to or close to hell

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Which is technically PHM but I mean like, early on, not that late into it

tepid root Feb 18, 2020, 5:23 AM

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frost barrier is pretty easy if youre lucky

indigo fog Feb 18, 2020, 5:23 AM

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Campfires, Lava Charm, Obsidian skin, and Warmth potions are all pre-boss

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 5:23 AM

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Intermittent campfires help you get through snow biomes

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and yeah Lava Charm / Obsidian Skin

tulip parcel Feb 18, 2020, 5:23 AM

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Yeah but not through space

indigo fog Feb 18, 2020, 5:23 AM

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you have warmth

tulip parcel Feb 18, 2020, 5:23 AM

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you can't place shit in space until you hit a planetoid and by then you're dead

tepid root Feb 18, 2020, 5:24 AM

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obsidian skin

tulip parcel Feb 18, 2020, 5:24 AM

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idk maybe it's just me

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I don't craft potions very often

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so that's probably what it is, my hatred for alchemy

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I could get alchNPClite maybe

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 5:24 AM

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Obsidian Skin does require Fireblossoms
but you can get them in the main planetoid, if you go at night with cold immunities

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... well okay you can roll for em in the main planetoid

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or from other surface chests

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Herb Bag

tulip parcel Feb 18, 2020, 5:25 AM

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But

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it also requires obsidian

indigo fog Feb 18, 2020, 5:25 AM

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that's pre-boss

tepid root Feb 18, 2020, 5:25 AM

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obsidian = bombs or gold/plat pick

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 5:25 AM

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Bombs baybeeee

tulip parcel Feb 18, 2020, 5:25 AM

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I thought you needed dynamite

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is it really just bombs too

tepid root Feb 18, 2020, 5:26 AM

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yes

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theres no difference between what dynamite and what bombs break lol??

tulip parcel Feb 18, 2020, 5:26 AM

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yes there is, what?

tepid root Feb 18, 2020, 5:26 AM

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no

indigo fog Feb 18, 2020, 5:26 AM

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Is obsidian as strong as meteorite?

tepid root Feb 18, 2020, 5:26 AM

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think so

indigo fog Feb 18, 2020, 5:27 AM

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then tungsten can mine it too im pretty sure

tulip parcel Feb 18, 2020, 5:27 AM

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huh

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I swear bombs used to not break everything dynamite could

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 5:27 AM

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Naaah nah

tepid root Feb 18, 2020, 5:27 AM

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tungsten being able to mine shit silver cant is mega h

tulip parcel Feb 18, 2020, 5:27 AM

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I swear I'm going senile

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 5:27 AM

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Obsidian has a pickaxe power req of 65

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Nightmare/Deathbringer

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but bombs can break it early

indigo fog Feb 18, 2020, 5:27 AM

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That's what I thought

tepid root Feb 18, 2020, 5:27 AM

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wait wat

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ok smol brain

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still

tulip parcel Feb 18, 2020, 5:28 AM

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bombs still work yeah

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 5:30 AM

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Obsidian is a strange block

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it takes a Nightmare/Deathbringer Pickaxe to mine but of all the blocks that have this requirement it is the only one that can be bombed at any time

tepid root Feb 18, 2020, 5:31 AM

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what

tulip parcel Feb 18, 2020, 5:31 AM

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Now I have a question

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And that question is

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 5:31 AM

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Not true.
Crimstone and Ebonstone can be bombed

indigo fog Feb 18, 2020, 5:31 AM

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I honestly don't even know why it has that pickaxe requirement

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 5:31 AM

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~~shhhh~~

tepid root Feb 18, 2020, 5:31 AM

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ebonstone and crimstone require 65% pick power dont they?

tulip parcel Feb 18, 2020, 5:31 AM

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For what reason would it be bombable but not mineable

tepid root Feb 18, 2020, 5:31 AM

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a

tulip parcel Feb 18, 2020, 5:31 AM

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Like

tepid root Feb 18, 2020, 5:31 AM

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im slow

tulip parcel Feb 18, 2020, 5:31 AM

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What purpose does it have

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that you can't mine it but you can still bomb it

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 5:31 AM

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~~lemme rephrase, of all the valuable blocks that have this requirement, it's the only one that can be bombed at any time~~

tulip parcel Feb 18, 2020, 5:31 AM

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Why put that in there, why leave that in there

tepid root Feb 18, 2020, 5:31 AM

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ask red

tulip parcel Feb 18, 2020, 5:32 AM

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I would but he hasn’t been answering my calls

tepid root Feb 18, 2020, 5:32 AM

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pensive

tulip parcel Feb 18, 2020, 5:32 AM

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And his lights are off rn

gusty geode Feb 18, 2020, 5:51 AM

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Came in late
But it might be bombable but not mineable so that you can go through it earlier, but not as reliably and infinitely as you could if you were able to mine it
I actually think it's a smart idea

indigo fog Feb 18, 2020, 5:53 AM

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I still get a ton of it pre-boss either way so i don't think that really worked

dreamy prism Feb 18, 2020, 7:42 AM

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@solemn flame You would die 1 hit.

The 1/3 hp wouldnt activate because you get oneshotted if not going full defense

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 7:54 AM

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hi

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 7:54 AM

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Pardon?

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To jorvp.

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I don't think everything deals 1/3 of your health in Rev+

dreamy prism Feb 18, 2020, 7:56 AM

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To the rage suggestion he did 5 hours ago

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 7:56 AM

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Indeed

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I see that

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But less than 33% health is still an accessible range

dreamy prism Feb 18, 2020, 7:58 AM

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Not in post moonlord I think... If I’m going full mage with no defensive items and just trying to dodge, in Rev+ if i get hit i lose 1/2 of my hp minimun

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If you add death mode you get one shotted

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if rage mode makes you even less defense... then Rip

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 7:58 AM

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So, glass cannon then
Yeah no shit you die easily

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Most normal players know that defense helps them not die, so they get some of it :P

tepid root Feb 18, 2020, 8:00 AM

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taking more damage in death mode PensiveCore

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 8:49 AM

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as well use arma

dreamy prism Feb 18, 2020, 10:21 AM

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More defense = less damage! We need to learn to dodge! Touhou player talking here..

bitter drift Feb 18, 2020, 11:33 AM

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@lavish wraith maybe make a revenges drop that take what the devs added at REV and DEATH mode to the boss

examples:
retinaser yoyo act most of the time like a regular yoyo but once in a blue moon it goes nuts and start to shoot up to the sky homing rockets (a reference to what is does under 25% health)

skeletron prime: a rocket launcher that explode to lasers

spasmatism: a sword that fires shadow flame fire balls

the destroyer: an accessory that shoot the green and blue lasers when you get hit

(note: DO NOR USE THESE EXAMPLES OR MAKE ANY AT ALL!)

jaunty schooner Feb 18, 2020, 11:35 AM

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big brain right here lmfao

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bitter drift Feb 18, 2020, 11:35 AM

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wot

jaunty schooner Feb 18, 2020, 11:35 AM

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why dont people read pins these days 😦

bitter drift Feb 18, 2020, 11:36 AM

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ya i know this won't be in #suggestions-voting but i just laid out examples for what they can do

frail mantle Feb 18, 2020, 11:36 AM

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~~i mean, it's more "don't touch this because it doesn't do anything and there's no reason to" than "if you touch this? by golly you're down shit's creek without your ass crack"~~

bitter drift Feb 18, 2020, 11:36 AM

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this is why what i posted is here

worthy fiber Feb 18, 2020, 11:36 AM

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Doesn't really do anything anyways so people shouldn't care if it's reacted or not 😤

jaunty schooner Feb 18, 2020, 11:36 AM

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thonk

bitter drift Feb 18, 2020, 11:37 AM

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BirbThonk

zenith hazel Feb 18, 2020, 11:39 AM

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specific item sugma moment

bitter drift Feb 18, 2020, 11:40 AM

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why did you think i posted it here

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it was not a suggestion

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this was an example for what the devs can do

frail mantle Feb 18, 2020, 11:41 AM

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if your examples had been added to the suggestion it probably would've counted as a SIS

bitter drift Feb 18, 2020, 11:42 AM

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ah i will make it clear it won't

obtuse peak Feb 18, 2020, 11:46 AM

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Make staying in the crimson or corruaption in death mode slowly curses you and your items

bitter drift Feb 18, 2020, 11:46 AM

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but how will it work?

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also this is not the suggestion channel

obtuse peak Feb 18, 2020, 11:47 AM

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You can discus suggestion before poting them right?

bitter drift Feb 18, 2020, 11:47 AM

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how about demonite what will be needed to be corrupted to get it

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Iron silver titanium? what will

frail mantle Feb 18, 2020, 11:47 AM

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you can indeed

bitter drift Feb 18, 2020, 11:48 AM

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i don't think the Item corruption idea will be good

distant gyro Feb 18, 2020, 11:48 AM

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it is in the channel description and pins

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HDfailure

bitter drift Feb 18, 2020, 11:48 AM

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well it also looks like he copied his suggestion and posted it here

frail mantle Feb 18, 2020, 11:49 AM

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copied which suggestion

lost agate Feb 18, 2020, 11:49 AM

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Also post your suggestions here first

obtuse peak Feb 18, 2020, 11:49 AM

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@bitter drift hey i didn't copy any suggestion and put it here

bitter drift Feb 18, 2020, 11:50 AM

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any way let's debunk you suggestion Migersho
first problem: demonite, what will happen with it?
2nd: how fast will it corrupt stuff in your invectory

obtuse peak Feb 18, 2020, 11:53 AM

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Items made from crimson/corruption matrilas can't be cursed and if you take them to the hollow they will be destroyed.

frail mantle Feb 18, 2020, 11:54 AM

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tbh having your inventory fucked with when you're in a biome sounds pretty ech

bitter drift Feb 18, 2020, 11:54 AM

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yes exactly

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like let's forget the hallow for a sec

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DEMONITE IS YOUR BIGGEST PROBLEM HERE

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what turns to demonite

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Iron copper silver or platinum?

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or is it titanium

obtuse peak Feb 18, 2020, 11:55 AM

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And items that are not immune to the underworld burn and items that are not immune to cold freaze and break when used and i don't understand your point @bitter drift explain

frail mantle Feb 18, 2020, 11:56 AM

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what

bitter drift Feb 18, 2020, 11:56 AM

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you say things can get corrupted in your inventory right?

obtuse peak Feb 18, 2020, 11:56 AM

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yes

bitter drift Feb 18, 2020, 11:56 AM

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so demonite is a ore that got corrupted right?

obtuse peak Feb 18, 2020, 11:57 AM

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hmm good point

bitter drift Feb 18, 2020, 11:57 AM

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then what ore turns to demonite

frail mantle Feb 18, 2020, 11:57 AM

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would that mean that having a pre-boss ore pick in your inventory and just chilling in the Crimson would give you a free Nightmare Pickaxe?

bitter drift Feb 18, 2020, 11:57 AM

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no cuz you need to kill some creepers for the other part

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but most of the crimson set Y E S

obtuse peak Feb 18, 2020, 11:58 AM

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but wait why does demonite drop from bosses HMM?

bitter drift Feb 18, 2020, 11:58 AM

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yes but only EoC

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and EoW

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or BoC

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meaning DS and KS aren't demonite droppings

frail mantle Feb 18, 2020, 11:59 AM

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no, if items get corrupted, that would mean that your tools and armor would too, yes? would that mean that for example gold or platinum armor gets turned into crimson armor if you stay in the crimson for too long?

obtuse peak Feb 18, 2020, 11:59 AM

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But why it drops from them i understand that eow might eat the ore but why the others?

bitter drift Feb 18, 2020, 11:59 AM

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another great point leon

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EoW and BoC or evil bosses

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it make sense that their ores is dropped by them

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EoC is also an evil boss

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so it's more of why does skeletron not drop demonite or crimtain instead of why does EoW BoC AND EoC drop them

obtuse peak Feb 18, 2020, 12:01 PM

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Then the ore is created from them and you rarley find the ore underground that means it is a rare item not iron or silver or platinum

bitter drift Feb 18, 2020, 12:02 PM

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look at the underground corruption

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it's filled with demonite

frail mantle Feb 18, 2020, 12:02 PM

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you're still ignoring the fact that having your inventory be changed randomly just by being in a biome would be really annoying

versed mica Feb 18, 2020, 12:02 PM

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That’s something Maso EX would do, not calamity m

frail mantle Feb 18, 2020, 12:03 PM

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^

bitter drift Feb 18, 2020, 12:03 PM

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yes i can imagine just mining for gold while you get tin silver Iron and gold and then you are in a corruption biome for a second and all of your gold is gone

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also how much will it corrupt in a second

versed mica Feb 18, 2020, 12:04 PM

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Also demonite being an ore found naturally is a meme

frail mantle Feb 18, 2020, 12:04 PM

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i'm guessing that it would take longer than just a second

bitter drift Feb 18, 2020, 12:04 PM

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will it corrupt a whole stack when it corrupt?

obtuse peak Feb 18, 2020, 12:04 PM

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But who told you that demonite is a corrupted ore couldn't it just be the depris of EOW

frail mantle Feb 18, 2020, 12:05 PM

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but still, it'd be dumb if your items got corrupted just because you were waiting for a Hive Cyst to spawn

versed mica Feb 18, 2020, 12:05 PM

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Since eoc has it no

bitter drift Feb 18, 2020, 12:05 PM

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who told me?

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L O G I C

versed mica Feb 18, 2020, 12:05 PM

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EoC drops it as well, and they aren’t even related

bitter drift Feb 18, 2020, 12:05 PM

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actually EoC dropping demonite is fine

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i'm more confused by why skeletron doesn't drop it

obtuse peak Feb 18, 2020, 12:06 PM

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Then couldn't the ore be just materlized evil

versed mica Feb 18, 2020, 12:06 PM

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Sure

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But what’s the point you are getting at

obtuse peak Feb 18, 2020, 12:06 PM

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Ah you won forget i said anything

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@bitter drift Ah yes by the way i said "cursed" not "corrupted"

lost agate Feb 18, 2020, 12:08 PM

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Skeletron is all around related to dungeon, dunno why it would drop evil ore

bitter drift Feb 18, 2020, 12:09 PM

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well it's mostly the mech bosses that make me think like that

versed mica Feb 18, 2020, 12:09 PM

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Any kind of cursed/corrupted items depending on biome is stupid anyway

obtuse peak Feb 18, 2020, 12:09 PM

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Corrupted means like what you said but cursed could mean that they are weaker,dmg you when used

versed mica Feb 18, 2020, 12:10 PM

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Not something that belongs in a massive content mod that you want and can’t pick and choose from

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I recommend trying to make this a smaller mod, since it isn’t going to become a main calamity feature

obtuse peak Feb 18, 2020, 12:10 PM

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Alright putin arlight let's forget this happend

versed mica Feb 18, 2020, 12:11 PM

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Cool

obtuse peak Feb 18, 2020, 12:12 PM

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👍

distant gyro Feb 18, 2020, 12:45 PM

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stats are weird

bitter drift Feb 18, 2020, 12:45 PM

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w o t

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i d o n ' t u n d e r s t a n d u

distant gyro Feb 18, 2020, 12:45 PM

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when you say increases "crit" do you mean "crit damage" or "crit chance"
of course increasing the former doesn't exist so it must mean the latter

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same thing kinda applies to "rogue velocity"

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@earnest raptor

bitter drift Feb 18, 2020, 12:46 PM

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actually why some times at post ML you can see more then 100% crit chance?

earnest raptor Feb 18, 2020, 12:46 PM

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Every item with crit chance says "increased critical strike chance".

distant gyro Feb 18, 2020, 12:47 PM

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is that factually true in calamity?

bitter drift Feb 18, 2020, 12:47 PM

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well i would love to see an increase in crit damage for rogue

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T H E U L T R A C R I T S E T

distant gyro Feb 18, 2020, 12:48 PM

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"crit chance" has 66 results while "crit" alone has 75 via searches

earnest raptor Feb 18, 2020, 12:48 PM

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I got it, I got it.

bitter drift Feb 18, 2020, 12:48 PM

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you get heals on crit hits crit damage scale by 7x normal damage and have +100 damage boost

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xD jk i know it's OP

radiant meadow Feb 18, 2020, 12:54 PM

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You can boost crit damage

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Auric rogue does that

elder kiln Feb 18, 2020, 1:21 PM

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Give the leviathan drops assosiated with Anahita (Atlantis, pearl of enthrallment, sirens song) resprites to match her new design .

zealous ridge Feb 18, 2020, 1:21 PM

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Hmm

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That’s planned content

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So I’d presume that they will respite them when the time comes

radiant meadow Feb 18, 2020, 1:22 PM

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That will happen when anahita is finished

zealous ridge Feb 18, 2020, 1:22 PM

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They being sprinters

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yes I did mean to do that for reference

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Well not really but I didn’t bother to fix it ech

radiant meadow Feb 18, 2020, 1:24 PM

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It's a race to finish sproots

zealous ridge Feb 18, 2020, 1:24 PM

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ig

elder kiln Feb 18, 2020, 1:24 PM

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gotta go fast ech

zealous ridge Feb 18, 2020, 1:25 PM

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I wouldn’t know how organized spriting is with dev requests

radiant meadow Feb 18, 2020, 1:25 PM

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Anahita is put on hold atm

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Iban is animating Levi first

elder kiln Feb 18, 2020, 1:26 PM

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Probably a good decision

tepid root Feb 18, 2020, 1:27 PM

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🏊‍♂️

green pumice Feb 18, 2020, 1:27 PM

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chaos

elder kiln Feb 18, 2020, 1:27 PM

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Ngl old lev sprite looks shit CalWheeze

wary canyon Feb 18, 2020, 2:33 PM

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is that Jevil siren

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it is isn’t it

tepid root Feb 18, 2020, 2:42 PM

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i can do everything

rancid flame Feb 18, 2020, 3:59 PM

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Has anyone suggested being able to combine SCal's music boxes or should I post it

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 4:00 PM

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A long time ago, so you can post that yeah

rancid flame Feb 18, 2020, 4:00 PM

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cool

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 4:01 PM

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I'd prefer a lil more reason to that @rancid flame

frosty dagger Feb 18, 2020, 4:04 PM

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Yea it's super acward switching them out

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 4:05 PM

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(... I wonder if John has pings disabled. He didn't respond last time either)

green pumice Feb 18, 2020, 4:06 PM

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(to the list?)

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 4:07 PM

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(I'll give him 10 more minutes)

fervent citrus Feb 18, 2020, 4:07 PM

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@ John HDfailure

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altho the mixed soundtracks would be good

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i kinda like the idea

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 4:07 PM

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Yeah I just want him to articulate why the songs playing in order would be a good thing

rancid flame Feb 18, 2020, 4:19 PM

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Sorry I dont have pings on i was building

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Basically it's nice to just put the music box on and not have to switch out the boxes every time the song starts over. It may be just personal preference, but I like to hear the whole song.

hallow kraken Feb 18, 2020, 4:47 PM

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You should always be ready for a ping after making a sug

karmic stone Feb 18, 2020, 4:51 PM

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You should add your reasoning to your sugg

rancid flame Feb 18, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Should I just edit it

karmic stone Feb 18, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Ye

rancid flame Feb 18, 2020, 4:51 PM

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I can do that, although it's not really much reasoning

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Thanks, John. That's good

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 6:01 PM

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@rotund sage Gonna need a reason for the "different firing modes"
Everything else is a bit minimal but have reasons

empty geyser Feb 18, 2020, 6:06 PM

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Wait, even Devs need to get their suggestions passed before they implement it?

tired haven Feb 18, 2020, 6:06 PM

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Not really but the community feedback is appreciated and that's why some devs post suggestions

terse sundial Feb 18, 2020, 6:06 PM

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not necessarily

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 6:07 PM

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the primary reason for a dev posting a sugg is to gauge public reception of the idea

empty geyser Feb 18, 2020, 6:07 PM

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Ah, I see.

terse sundial Feb 18, 2020, 6:07 PM

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some devs frequent suggestions enough and may see something quick and easy to do

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others look at suggestions that are sent

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it just depends on the person

rotund sage Feb 18, 2020, 6:25 PM

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@hollow shell i have updated it

fervent citrus Feb 18, 2020, 6:26 PM

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~~brave of you to ping the almighty one~~ HDfailure

distant gyro Feb 18, 2020, 6:30 PM

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what the fuck is up with sugs

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nvm discord created a demonic void entity

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~~damn I wished I screenshotted that~~

fervent citrus Feb 18, 2020, 6:32 PM

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?

gusty geode Feb 18, 2020, 6:33 PM

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I've found there are 4 kinds of sugs these days

Rebalances
Cosmetic changes (often to accommodate for low-end PCs)
Technically bug fixes
"Get rid of this minor inconvenience"

fervent citrus Feb 18, 2020, 6:34 PM

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Hmm, tru

distant gyro Feb 18, 2020, 6:34 PM

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First one barely gets in at all

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Second one is likely to get it when and if devs like it to

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Third one is really a glorified bug fix and then it's usually fixed before it's even sent

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Fourth one gets in once in a never

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The main ones that get in end up like "removing cosmilite from silva armor"

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funky

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 6:37 PM

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and then the secret fifth element, sugar, is the ancient SIS suggs that are now being looked over

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hyperEvasion

distant gyro Feb 18, 2020, 6:38 PM

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Plantation Staff CompleteFailure
Event Horizon HDfailure
Recitation of the Beast HyperFailure

gusty geode Feb 18, 2020, 6:41 PM

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Would that 4th type be worth adding to the don'ts
It often feels like they're made by people who seem convinced that risk/reward situations (altar smashing), consistent problems (world evil spread) and things taking time and effort (low drop-rate items) are bad game design
And if they never get in anyway

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 6:42 PM

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altar smashing having a chance to create a random fucking block of Corruption/Crimson or Hallow is actually pretty cringe though

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gonna be entirely real with you here

distant gyro Feb 18, 2020, 6:43 PM

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4th type is too broad to implement as a don't

gusty geode Feb 18, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Makes the threat they pose even more significant in exchange for easier access to better ore
Makes sense imo

distant gyro Feb 18, 2020, 6:44 PM

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some qol is actually half decent

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like recently implemented bug net recipe

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that's borderlining but not quite but is at the same time a tweak to a minor inconvenience

fervent citrus Feb 18, 2020, 6:45 PM

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||~~Would a resprite of brimmy get 120 votes?~~|| BrimSmug

distant gyro Feb 18, 2020, 6:46 PM

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prob not HDfailure

night cradle Feb 18, 2020, 6:46 PM

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resprites generally shouldn't be in suggestions
if they are not prioritized (which is often the case), they get done just over time

fervent citrus Feb 18, 2020, 6:46 PM

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Thank god i crossed and hidden it taxevasion

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 6:47 PM

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I mean there are better ways to go about making the threat they pose more significant
rather than just spawning that block anywhere in the world

night cradle Feb 18, 2020, 6:47 PM

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unless that is for consistency with other sprites, then it's fine

smoky wagon Feb 18, 2020, 6:47 PM

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Resprites are handled by the art server, suggesting them here is a pretty big waste of time

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 6:47 PM

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also altars can spawn Hallow at random which makes no sense

fervent citrus Feb 18, 2020, 6:47 PM

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Hmm, imma go there HyperFailure

distant gyro Feb 18, 2020, 6:50 PM

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terse sundial Feb 18, 2020, 6:50 PM

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~~thanks~~

distant gyro Feb 18, 2020, 6:50 PM

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HDfailure

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~~doing RDS on mobile sucks hella ass btw~~

gusty geode Feb 18, 2020, 6:53 PM

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Ig it would just have to depend on what kinda QoL suggestion it is
I imagine stuff like removing biome spread would be banned
Even tho iirc it slows down drastically post-ML
So the devs presumably know how to do it

distant gyro Feb 18, 2020, 6:54 PM

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@hollow shell you can do the [Approved 🌟] thing now ig BanditHueh

fervent citrus Feb 18, 2020, 6:54 PM

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LUL

frail mantle Feb 18, 2020, 7:03 PM

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tbh i find resprite suggestions to be alright if it's shit like resprite x to be more in line with y, but not when it's shit like resprite x because it looks bad lole

green ruin Feb 18, 2020, 7:07 PM

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^^

gusty geode Feb 18, 2020, 7:07 PM

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Idk if that's possible
But look on the bright side
You've got a convenient place to grind for Underground Hallow stuff now

green ruin Feb 18, 2020, 7:07 PM

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I guess

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 7:07 PM

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also the other big chungus biome stripe is gonna be Corruption/Crimson anyway so like lel

distant gyro Feb 18, 2020, 7:07 PM

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you can always do the funny:

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smash altar

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 7:08 PM

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yes

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the funny altar smash meme

green ruin Feb 18, 2020, 7:09 PM

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The altars are still there and I smashed them, but the 2nd closest corruption to my house is like 4000 blocks away HDfailure

gusty geode Feb 18, 2020, 7:09 PM

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Had that happen where it went clean through a Crimson Chasm
Result was a god-like open room that Pixies always seemed to be swarming in
Made even better by the fact that it also intersected with the Dungeon
So that was an easy way in there as well

keen geyser Feb 18, 2020, 7:20 PM

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but why

sleek wadi Feb 18, 2020, 7:21 PM

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While I can totally understand a craftable Demon Altar, you suggestion needs some actual reasoning there chief

gusty geode Feb 18, 2020, 7:22 PM

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Altars in general are a good and creative idea that's inefficient and therefore bad
Imo having to travel to craft certain items makes them more special
Which makes sense considering it's used for boss summons and the strongest pre-hardmode sword in the game (in vanilla anyway)

keen geyser Feb 18, 2020, 7:22 PM

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~~just use any other mod that adds in craftable altars~~

ashen warren Feb 18, 2020, 7:24 PM

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@haughty mica you need to add reasoning to your suggestion

haughty mica Feb 18, 2020, 7:25 PM

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oh sorry

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I didn't know

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I say because is just a bit of annoying and repetitive to travel to an altar and they can end up being pretty far away and early game it's dangerous to travel a long way but I don't know if I would say craftable, maybe purchasable instead?

gusty geode Feb 18, 2020, 7:28 PM

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That's the point tho

haughty mica Feb 18, 2020, 7:28 PM

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Just to make it obtainable in any way

gusty geode Feb 18, 2020, 7:29 PM

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Like we both said
You gotta travel away from your base to a dangerous environment to craft the special items
I think it works perfectly

keen geyser Feb 18, 2020, 7:29 PM

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or get lucky and find one under your base

gusty geode Feb 18, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Also an option

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~~If you wanna go that route go find one and build your base around it~~

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 7:32 PM

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(also remember to edit in your reason into the suggestion, HughMungusLit)

sleek wadi Feb 18, 2020, 7:33 PM

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Post-mechs obtainable altar sounds like a kinda neat idea. Meant more so for fashion and crafting super-stations rather than efficiency. Keeps the original design behind altars intact while also giving you a way to place them because by post-mechs the world evil is just not a threat anymore.

haughty mica Feb 18, 2020, 7:46 PM

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I know that now, sorry about that

timid pawn Feb 18, 2020, 8:01 PM

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make any enemy in the cavern layer of ice biome drop eleum soul like the soul of light/dark. Reason:the essance drop from some enemies only and the ice biome might get infected by evil,hollow or astral which will make the enemies that drop the essance less.Example: my current world's ice biome is infected by the crimson.the hollow and the astral infection and i rarly get an essance even after like 15 min

gusty geode Feb 18, 2020, 8:06 PM

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Could also have specific enemies in the different infected Ice biomes drop them
Maybe Pigrons for the vanilla ones

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~~And I just remembered Astral Snow doesn't have any unique spawns last I checked~~

timid pawn Feb 18, 2020, 8:07 PM

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@gusty geode "unique spawns last I checked" what do yo mean?

gusty geode Feb 18, 2020, 8:08 PM

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Last I checked the Astral Snow biome didn't have any enemies unique to it
And just checked again, that's still the case

timid pawn Feb 18, 2020, 8:11 PM

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Does that mean that astral infection enemies don't spawn?

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 8:11 PM

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Nah
He's sayin that there'd be no candidates for an enemy to drop Essence of Eleum if your snow biome ever got astral infected

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so, that sucks

timid pawn Feb 18, 2020, 8:12 PM

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Well it is infected to the bottom

gusty geode Feb 18, 2020, 8:12 PM

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Astral Pigron variant would be neat ngl

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 8:12 PM

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You could make that suggestion, Migersho

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makin em act more like Souls of Light/Night

timid pawn Feb 18, 2020, 8:13 PM

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And done

gusty geode Feb 18, 2020, 8:13 PM

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~~Astral Snow Flinx that explodes into Hivelings when knocked back~~

timid pawn Feb 18, 2020, 8:14 PM

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The sunlight essance and the chaos essance are easy to get only that eleum is hard befor cyrogen

left crest Feb 18, 2020, 8:14 PM

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We'd still want to have the others be like that as well for consistency

gusty geode Feb 18, 2020, 8:14 PM

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Was gonna say

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 8:14 PM

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Anything in space, anything in hell (or Crags)

left crest Feb 18, 2020, 8:14 PM

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Yupyup

hollow shell Feb 18, 2020, 8:15 PM

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prolly crags cuz that's pretty much already the case there

timid pawn Feb 18, 2020, 8:15 PM

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The essance of light drop from sky enemies and the chaos essance drop from brimstone enemies right?

gusty geode Feb 18, 2020, 8:16 PM

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Guess since I'm thinking about it now
Can we get more enemy variants for the AI
I imagine it didn't already happen because the devs wanted to be original
But at the same time it should also be clear that it's an infection and not a completely new biome

placid girder Feb 18, 2020, 8:19 PM

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Astral cryon tbh

timid pawn Feb 18, 2020, 8:23 PM

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Like seriously what is this? ( full ice biome)

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night cradle Feb 18, 2020, 8:26 PM

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the enemies dropping Essences with a certain chance would be pretty great actually
would make getting them way more convienient than waiting for a specific enemy to spawn just to get them

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 8:28 PM

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inb4 "no because <insert reason why you have to wait for Cryons or Ice Claspers unless you get a blizzard here>"

timid pawn Feb 18, 2020, 8:32 PM

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@sand umbra I don't understand what you mean explain?

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 8:32 PM

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I'm simply predicting that it's going to be rejected because of some meme reasoning as to why there are a grand total of like 2 enemies that spawn outside of a Blizzard and which drop Essence of Eleum

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okay more like 5

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but of these, 2 are exclusive to the "Ice"/Underground Snow biome and another two are quite rare to spot

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meanwhile the moment a Blizzard starts you can get Ice Golems a dime a dozen and each one is guaranteed to drop 1-2 Essences of Eleum

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and I'm just like waitaminute

zealous ridge Feb 18, 2020, 8:35 PM

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what do you mean like... tortoises and icy mermen are rare to spot?

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 8:35 PM

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Ice Tortoises and Icy Mermen are the two Underground Snow ones

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the rare ones are Cryons and Ice Claspers

zealous ridge Feb 18, 2020, 8:36 PM

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Ah I see

timid pawn Feb 18, 2020, 8:49 PM

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@sand umbra But an ice golem can kill you early hardmode easily if you don't have pirecing weapon

zealous ridge Feb 18, 2020, 8:51 PM

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Actually... just had an idea

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Mayhaps the cryocore and aurora spirit could spawn in underground ice after cryogen? Maybe aurora could do before cryo as an alt to heat spirit

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 8:59 PM

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an Ice Golem won't kill you if you do the smart thing and create Warmth Potions

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they're harmless as long as you avoid their frost lasers

queen sail Feb 18, 2020, 9:05 PM

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Which in itself isn’t the hardest thing to do if you’ve got decent movement

sinful violet Feb 18, 2020, 9:05 PM

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why do people need potions and lit gamer strats and movement to kill ice golems or deal with blizzard

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literally just a hole in the ground

queen sail Feb 18, 2020, 9:05 PM

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Or just hide behind a wall for that matter

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Or that

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ech

sinful violet Feb 18, 2020, 9:05 PM

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just dig a hole in the ground

queen sail Feb 18, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Ice Golem is not hard to kill though I will admit it’s not often that one spawns regularly

sinful violet Feb 18, 2020, 9:06 PM

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any ice claspers get immediately gamered on once they get near you since they try to shoot you but can't and they only get close slowly so you have time to absolutely obliterate them

sand umbra Feb 18, 2020, 9:14 PM

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I mean byeah