but yeah i noticed it was super common
#suggestions-discussion
sinful violet
tired haven
Time to give dirt blocks 1 gold price because they are mined WAY TOO MUCH 
sinful violet
i was planning on telling someone to see if we can just lower the drop rate
bitter drift
you get one OK fine
you get 2 fine
1 minute later full invactory
sand umbra
(although, that being said, I suppose it could stand to be rarer, especially given what it is)
tired haven
Yeah it could be
ashen warren
Mrrp if it has lower than 5% Defilled Rune increases the chance
sinful violet
ashen warren
it exists only for Farming purpose
Yet most of what you want to farm with it is not affected.
queen sail
Defiled Rune exists for the sole purpose of cheesing boss bag money and making legendaries less meme to obtain
sinful violet
and legendaries aren't affected anymore
tired haven
Only the former now so
toxic kettle
tbh I'd rather want the Slurper Pole to drop more rarely
sand umbra
oh yeah, legendaries aren't affected by Defiled anymore
to prevent the omega meme bag cheese
sinful violet
I just don't think it's necessary at all really.
We have so many things to keep track of it's not worth it half the time anyway. If you're looking for something you have to check almost every time to see if it's affected or not, etc.
I understand the challenge part, but that's the role of the two difficulty modes.
It's main point is "farming" and that's tedious and not that effective half the time since people just zerg or armageddon farm bosses.
ashen warren
all former Legendary still are affect by DR?
sinful violet
No
If anything given the effects only a certain set of items like Legendaries or RiV should be affected.
God knows they'd need that to be relevant at all, and it'd be so much simpler.
sinful violet
Because they're another special set of items ig
ashen warren
Why work so hard on weapons and variants of weapons that basically never get used unless you spend way too long at a particular stage of the game to farm for it?
sinful violet
That'd be the idea behind changing DR to affect those only.
Legendaries and maybe another set of items, but definitely not what it does now.
ashen warren
Perhaps in order to prevent treasure bag cheese, just make them direct drops
terse sundial
that was originally the case, but that led to even more inconsistencies
sand umbra
this is the simplest way to sum up RIVs not being affected by Defiled Rune
also works as a Yharim's Crystal summary ig
gusty geode
What if having Defiled made enemies and bosses drop a special material
That could then be crafted into an entirely unique set of items
terse sundial
the DR drop boost is going to have some inconsistencies
unless completely overhauled again
sinful violet
That's why I'd rather it just not be a thing personally
terse sundial
it's a mess
ashen warren
/\
sinful violet
It doesn't add much besides challenge, and that's the main point of the two difficulty modes and even the boss health slider.
And now that DM exists and is interesting, there's even less point.
gusty geode
Can't have inconsistencies if only one item is affected
Just a thought
ashen warren
There’s a boss health slider?
terse sundial
but for the time being, legendary items and RIVs won't be apart of that boost table
sinful violet
We'll fix DR eventually
terse sundial
eventually
once a stable idea is formed and tested, but for now it's not really worth trying to actively sort out the inconsistencies
sinful violet
removal would be easiest
terse sundial
yes
gusty geode
So
Material isn't an option
sand umbra
Defiled is not a difficulty mode
sinful violet
To be fair that's mostly what it's used as
terse sundial
mhm
sinful violet
Arma farming is better and zerg+chaos candle statistically helps more with enemy drops
And zerg+candle is more consistent
sand umbra
Zerg-Chaos-Water-Battle
gusty geode
K
The material could be crafted into the existing affected items
If nothing else I imagine it'd be easier to sort out in code
sand umbra
"what's this? I have to actually work for my drop rate boosts?"
"no, I wanna sit in a box and turn on a challenge item to farm my items, farming is stinky"
terse sundial
the DR affected droplist source is wild, so it's not easy to sort through that
gusty geode
Exactly
It'd be easier to sort through a series of recipes, wouldn't it?
terse sundial
the recipe thing isn't happening but I do like the mmorpg implications of it
gusty geode
No? K
swift bison
Smh advertizing, don't be like 8 months ago me
ashen warren
The one time I got Swordsplosion, I was a ranger.
And that is a basic summary of my history with RIVs
sinful violet
>8 months ago
ashen warren
just a couple at most actually
dusty stirrup
Yes fixing Defiled epic
gusty geode
I feel like the problem is that it's trying to avoid both items that are so good that they're supposed to be really rare
And ones that someone probably wouldn't be grinding for, like vanities, placeables, etc
I would say make the latter effected so it's just Legendaries and RIVs that are excluded
Would definitely appeal to builders
I imagine they'd be happy with less of a struggle getting Golden Furniture and Living Fire Blocks
ashen warren
Should make the Dryad sells Bloody Worm Food/Teratoma after defeating Hive Mind/Perforator hive?
gusty geode
I thought they did
Or someone did
Or if you mean the one you didn't fight
Iirc they're supposed to be more difficult to get at because Calamity at least kinda tries to follow vanilla's "one evil per world" rule
sand umbra
not really
Calamity actually does like everything in the book to make the two evils identical and available in any world
I am almost certain this is for the express purpose of Empyrean Knives and Scourge of the Cosmos
queen sail
Is them trying being to be identical a good thing or a bad thing
sand umbra
I jest, but
I've seen crazier things suggested or mentioned as "plans"
it's a bad thing, if you ask me
something I appreciate about the vanilla evils is that there are clear advantages and disadvantages to each
terse sundial
ofc we have the exception of ichor byeah
queen sail
Because regardless crimson had more interesting content than corruption
tired haven
That's simply because the 1.2 design had improved since 1.0
queen sail
Corruption had a decent dungeon chest wep and then crimson straight up gives lifesteal
tired haven
(mmm, both biome chests were implemented at same time)
gusty geode
Iirc the idea was that Crimson was harder but gave better drops than Corruption
Risk/reward kinda thing
sand umbra
Corruption:
- easier to ignore
- inherently better vanilla evil boss (with inherently better Expert drop to boot)
- cool surface theme
- extremely interesting concept with tons of potential for new content
Crimson:
- unique building materials
- inherently better Hardmode debuff (this really shouldn't be counted but I'm counting it anyway for the purposes of the prompt)
- cool underground theme
- very simple concept to comprehend and thus create content for
tired haven
If you count ichor you must count worm scarf
sand umbra
edited to include Expert EoW dropping the chad Worm Scarf
tired haven
Thing just is
Crimson in general had better hardmode while corruption had prehm
Guess which part of the game is more expanded when postML is added
sand umbra
queen sail
The corruption vs crimson issue was more memey in 1.2 as well
Because rng decided which one you got
sand umbra
I think Crimson has/had a better Hardmode primarily because it was introduced much later in the game
where the base concepts of Hardmode were already in place and there were things to work off of
tired haven
Kinda, but meh, can't really see much correlations that hint on that
queen sail
So depending on rng you could have access to the most relevant debuff in the game and a melee meta or get a generic biome
ashen warren
I used to think Crimson was better for Melee players and Corruption was better for Ranged/Magic
sand umbra
meanwhile Corruption is better near the start of the game because it's had the time to exist and be expanded upon since the beginning
...
yeah I don't know either I'm kinda grasping at straws
an attempt was made to justify Crimson having the worst pre-Hardmode experience in the universe
tired haven
Corruption is only good for mage and summoner (a tiny bit)
Ranger picks crimson cuz ichor ammo memery
queen sail
I’ve no idea why relogic felt the need to add crimson tbh
gusty geode
Regardless
Giving access to both for the purposes of 2 end-game items is
Questionable to say the least
queen sail
After the polish out the new Golfing Class
tired haven
Jokes on you, swamp/bog is too popular fan idea
sand umbra
they need to tell us more about miss bullet hell lady
all we know is that she exists and is rumored to be a Hallow boss that will come up and fuck up my work
gusty geode
Scary thing is
We already know a bullet hell lady don't we 
swift bison
:calhug:
sand umbra
:calhug:
swift bison
@ caspian do it
calglasses is the objectively worst cal emote
followed shortly behind by calaha
opaque sierra
hallow hatch
queen sail
Oh and I forgot to mention that the art is by B, give them kudos
runic heath
goes for the cal pat
impales hand
tired haven
A little price for pat
ashen warren
A small price to pay for salvation
tulip parcel
What if post moonlord corruption and post moonlord crimson behaved differently
Corruption started doing the aforementioned “fortification” behavior so it could stagnate in peace
Crimson started sending scouts to other biomes trying to find the NPCs to invade
gusty geode
Oh hey we're back to this
Coming up with ways to make the biomes more interesting that totally aren't excuses to make them stop spreading
I'm in
I think there should be upgrades of some kind to Cursed Flames and Ichor if we're going there
runic heath
cursed ichor
hallow hatch
Nah
gusty geode
Crimson would probably be more openly connected to Cthulhu
And the Corruption, I imagine would develop past single-cell organisms (since iirc it was some kinda mechanical bacteria) into messed up versions of early multi-cellular life
ashen warren
Kinda like the Thorium abominations you can find there in Hardmode?
versed tundra
Make the ravager's projectiles despawn once they are far away from him
Some of Ravager's projectiles go extremely far, deal a lot of damage and pierce tiles, making them serious villager NPC hazards, even when they are so far away you'd think their hitboxes aren't active.
Other ways to fix that problem:
- Make the NPCs immune to these projectiles (and other boss attacks that pierce blocks).
- Make these projectiles not pierce tiles (could lead to cheese).
ashen warren
I think you're in the wrong channel
versed tundra
nope
sand umbra
you can post suggs in here first to discuss them
ashen warren
Oh oki
terse sundial
mhm
versed tundra
which should be the norm
ashen warren
I was wondering if you could, but I just kinda assumed not
terse sundial
It's encouraged for them to go here first
versed tundra
Seriously, I founght Ravager in the red circle, got a few casualties at the end
sand umbra
...actually, can I petition for something to be added to the description of this channel
it might be better as Discuss suggestions posted in #suggestions here. Can also be used to discuss suggestions before they are posted in #suggestions.
because hey, might be at least a little more effective than jamming the note in the pins somewhere
radiant meadow
suggest iy maaybe;
sand umbra
are you okay
radiant meadow
no
sand umbra
understandable
versed tundra
The whole reason I even built that underground rectangular bunker was to avoid NPC deaths
terse sundial
Mobile momentum
runic heath
suggest a change to the suggestions_discussion channel
radiant meadow
it's pc
runic heath
haha yes
radiant meadow
I'm just tired af
sand umbra
I see
versed tundra
I'd say the name should be more explicit too
versed tundra
runic heath
except scourge lore now decreases damage because it was really op so fair
sand umbra
Add a note to the description of #suggestions-discussion to indicate that the user may also post suggs there for feedback before posting them in #suggestions-voting.
❔
Because people seem to misunderstand the concept of posting things in there for feedback before posting them in #suggestions-voting as if it's some sort of crime when in reality it is allowed and in fact encouraged.
ashen warren
Is it dissallowed to ask for old sprites- not to be put back in the game by the devs- but to download so you can put them in manually?
sand umbra
granted, burying the only official message that clarifies it deep in the pins backlog doesn't exactly help either, but y'know what I mean
and no, the irony of me posting this sugg here for feedback first is not lost on me
thoughts?
runic heath
I see no harm in adding it
whether or not people will actually read it is questionable but no reason not to add it
ashen warren
I was gonna delete it faster, but my wifi slow. I just wanted to flash it up for a hot milisecond
terse sundial
I've have the calam source for the past 8 months ish, so if you need a sprite from within that time period I can get that
terse sundial
Old or old sprites?
terse sundial
Don't have those, again you can find sprites on the wiki
swift bison
User yuh has an archive of old sprites iirc
terse sundial
just search File: (filename here).png
ashen warren
Sorry, I need to think before I speak. Where can- Oh. You read my mind. Thank you
terse sundial
You should see old revisions of them
sand umbra
you can also click most sprites on the Calamity wiki to accomplish the same task
terse sundial
Depends on the template and table but ^
ashen warren
Woah... I've never seen those 2018 ones
hollow idol
Smh calamity wiki deleted all the removed enemy sprites
I had to go dig through the forum to find they even existed
ashen warren
Is replacing a sprite easy?
terse sundial
We went through a bunch of old files almost a year ago
hollow idol
yes
terse sundial
Depends on what sprite
Armor isn't super easy if you don't have the correct sheeting for it
hollow idol
Apparently anything that doesnt have a glowmask or uses multiple sheets will be your only problems bosswise
also wiki doesnt have spritesheets so backtracking to get them ingame doesnt work
ashen warren
hollow idol
But uh yeah I have most old sprites
Only missing a few minor things that idrc about like the original yharon weapon set
ashen warren
Can I DM you so we can stop cluttering this chat?
hollow idol
sure
void kelp
poll’s currently 55% for / 45% against
broken pier
I'm guessing that suggesting for combined potions akin to the AlchemistNPC Young Brewer mod or the Alchemist's Brews mod wouldn't be accepted due to this.
Suggestions to add new specific items will never be accepted
It can get quite annoying to manage and carry so many potions.
queen sail
What’s his rev+ hp atm
lost agate
I have no idea
woeful ginkgo
it's not really enough
queen delta
Not nerfed enough imo
lost agate
Twas a lot
woeful ginkgo
my sprime no hit took me about 3 min and 15 second with chlorophyte gear which is just ridiculous
queen delta
94k is still a lot considering how small and fast he/his limbs are
swift wadi
Skeletron Prime is post Plantera prove me wrong
queen delta
Yeah I'm sure a lot of people can vouch that prime takes significantly longer than the other mechs
lost agate
Head could be lowered to 30k or smth
queen delta
Limbs health should be decreased a bit too
They're already like half the fight if not longer
woeful ginkgo
decreasing his hp/defense/damage reduction once again won't be too bad
lost agate
Im starring it cuz 90k overall hp already sounds nuts
manic yew
What do u guys think of moving the sentinel phase of dog so that the "it's not over yet kid" is more impactful
Idk if that's the intent of the fight, but rn you definitely know it isn't over the first time because the sentinels spawn
Might be cool to instead move them to middle of the first or second phase, so he's more of the assassin he is in the lore
lost agate
Sentinels spawning in p1 iirc
manic yew
Is this already a thing
lost agate
No
Im spitting ideas
Could be like theres sentinels and guardians supporting him and even so you beat him, so he goes like "fuck it im doing this myself"
left crest
Skeleprime needs nerf to its bulk
It’s a nasty and almost unfair fight anyway, even without it being the most buff mech out of all 6
marble mirage
yeah i tried to do a melee playthrough since i'm kinda not familiar with that class, and holy fuck is skelly prime annoying to hit without homing or without big fuck off attacks
foggy plover
dint prime just get nerfed tho?
foggy plover
ive learned to appreciate prime after fighting it in masodeath and it being the easiest of the three, so im not gonna complain about prime at this point
ashen warren
ravager attacks are short ranged af dude
foggy plover
also dafuq did it have before hand then?
ashen warren
esp the head orange split lased
lost agate
Dunno
gusty geode
I would ask for more Nimbus Rods/other not-Sentries
But idk if that falls under subclass rules
sand umbra
why does everyone assume that making an upgrade to an item will make that item just automagically better
can I question this
hollow shell
It gives you a reason to obtain it, at least.
gusty geode
^
hollow shell
even if you don't use it right away
gusty geode
If the upgrade is good
Suddenly a weapon that a lot of people don't even acknowledge becomes important
sinful violet
wait yata is prime still hella long 
sand umbra
...all of a sudden, I think I finally understand why immediate upgrades have existed for this long
queen delta
yeah, mrrp
gusty geode
Does Pheonix Blaster count as an immediate upgrade
Idk if the recipe changed in Calamity
But in vanilla it was kinda
A beginning-of-post-Skele item
That upgraded into an end-of-post-Skele one
queen delta
rev+ ye
sinful violet
I'd agree to be completely honest
foggy plover
wait how much does twins have?
sinful violet
This may get my boy clam crusher nerfed, but that's the only way I could manage to down prime reasonably
queen delta
about 82k total for twins
sinful violet
As melee only anyhow
queen delta
and theyre even easier to hit than prime, which proves my point further
sinful violet
That's true
Since arms are pretty hard to hit since you want to stay away, their health is basically bloated and head can't take damage while they're alive soo
sand umbra
Does Phoenix Blaster count as an immedate upgrade
mmmmmm
sorta?
pre-Hardmode progression is a bit wonky in definition
sand umbra
but like if we go by the progression Calamity intends the player follow
then yeah
and Handgun as a result is completely tossed to the side in favor of Phoenix Blaster
which then becomes your best friend until Megashark
queen delta
Yeah phoenix blaster counts as an immediate upgrade cuz the soonest you can get handgun is post-skeletron, and hellstone are intended to be post skeletron, so yeah
sand umbra
yeah it ends up being an immediate upgrade anyway because lol Hellstone
ashen warren
Does anyone else find Boss rush WoF annoying when it spawns you in the center of the world?
indigo fog
It should spawn in one place
ashen warren
It doesn’t really. I think technically it doesn’t spawn in the center (outer two thirds) but it will spawn me in the midst of uncleared obsidian brick buildings
lost agate
Making stuff only important for an upgrade doesnt make the weapon better
it only degrades it to a bar of copper
ashen warren
Is there a better place for the Uzi though?
distant gyro
Move the tier of the Uzi and buff it
ashen warren
How would one move the tier?
distant gyro
vanilla overwriting and slap an extra condition in there
ashen warren
To another time it would make sense to be traveling in the jungle...
Post Calamitas, up the drop chance, then maybe give it a plague upgrade that turns musket balls into acid rounds...
Sorry, too specific, I know, but I thought I’d share.
waxen pike
good concept that weapon is forgotten as soon as its found as better items are found almost instantly
vital storm
Guys, I played the game recently and I would like to share a little of my suggestions to the game, but as there are many I don't know how to do it correctly so I'm posting here to help me.
1 - Increase the attributes given by the "aerelite" rogue set so that it is better than the "obisidian" set because the two are "equal" and the odisidian set can be obtained before killing the bosses with bombs
2 - Reduce the amount of defense of "Fearmonger armor" as it is a SUMMON set and all the others reduce (Even if I don't like it)
3 - Nerf the damage caused by "Brimstone Sword" a little, because compared to other equipment it is very powerful
4 - Buff the damage of "Tooth Ball" because compared to other equipment of the level is very weak (alternatives)
5 - Nerf the damage from "Dune Hopper" and increase your attack speed to better benefit from the equipment
6 - Nerf a little the total damage caused by "Prismalline", even though he has a full armor of any other type, this weapon still does more damage (assuming you have a good interpretation of how to properly launch that item)
7 - Increase the efficiency of "Abyss Blade" because compared to other items it ends up not having a good potential, my recommendation is to increase the speed of use a little
8 - Make "Crabulon" a little harder to kill, honestly this was the easiest boss I killed so far with equivalent equipment (Playing in "Death Mode").
9 - Decrease the TOTAL LIFE of Calamitas (Normal) a little in "Death Mode", even playing with a friend, we were unable to kill him after 4 fights due to the day's arrival (We were forced to fight him only in " Expert "too but I believe this is because we play badly).
Should i post one for one in #suggestions-voting with a reason to want it ? or posting here allready is good enought ?
hollow shell
You'd need to post these in #suggestions-voting in order to be officially recognized, but posting in this channel first is a good way to get feedback before you make the official posts
You should post these all separately considering we have a voting system, and people could agree with some and not others
sand umbra
see if you can pick out one or two that you'd really like to see happen
hollow shell
Post like 3, and then wait till tomorrow to post another 3, etc
karmic stone
Aerospec makes up stats with the god mobility you can have with it + BoB / Frog Leg / Both
Fearmonger is all class kinda maybe e
sand umbra
and build a more thorough sugg based on that one concept
hollow shell
Yeah, or that.
sand umbra
that's what I do, anyway
god knows if I tried to push every idea I had I'd be here all year
karmic stone
Good job on posting this here for feedback btw
sand umbra
oh yeah, good job on posting in here first
you've already done better than most people by doing so
loud cloak
I dunno what to say about the halibut cannon
sand umbra
...now that I think of it
hallow kraken
Alright, problem, crabulon isn’t supposed to be difficult
sand umbra
would it be out of the ballpark of possibility for me to suggest maybe diversifying the effects of earlier-game "one size fits all" armors a bit more
e.g. Aerialite, Statigel
loud cloak
25-35 bullets supports true dedication for farming
sand umbra
there are a lot of things I don't like about the whole series of them tbf but if I have to pick something out it's the fact that in pre-Hardmode in particular, the effects from the pick-your-class-hat armors (Wulfrum, Victide, Aerialite, Statigel) are basically identical
vital storm
the problem is not crabulon supposed to be difficulty , but because it's basicaly just a jump mob and shot some spores
sand umbra
in fact, there are literally no differences between the set bonuses for most of them past rogue stealth for rogues and sometimes an extra friend for summoners
loud cloak
Nerf and make easier to get
vital storm
Crabulon = Giant Clam
loud cloak
No comment
hallow kraken
Does obsidian not grant stealth?
vital storm
grant
karmic stone
It does
vital storm
and it's "Equal" aerelite
loud cloak
We need sandstone Armor
sand umbra
Obsidian grants stealth but you're operating on the assumption stealth is something you use in early-game
vital storm
but give lava imunite and hot blocks imunite + hotness immune
hallow kraken
I mean, obsidian is obtainable before aerialite
vital storm
idk ... Obisidian set > Aerelite Rogue set
sand umbra
Aerialite armor sets don't exactly have a whole lot for effects
hallow kraken
Obsidian can be destroyed with bombs, so technically it’s pre-boss
loud cloak
Sfx set to 666
vital storm
difference between obisidian and aerelite in armor/damage
Obisidian give +2 damage and +1% crit
Aereleite give + 2 Armor
loud cloak
Molotov cocktails
vital storm
to me it seems "Equal"
hollow shell
Aer's damage is better
sand umbra
is it?
sand umbra
exhibit A
vital storm
sand umbra
exhibit B
hollow shell
only thing Aer's got going for it combat-wise is the falling feathers
vital storm
hallow kraken
Then again, aerialite also grants a lot of set bonuses
sand umbra
"a lot"
hallow kraken
Ok maybe not a lot
hallow kraken
Increase fall speed
vital storm
but ... has a reason to make it "necessary" ?
because obisidian can make BEFORE it
and it's "Equal"
sand umbra
Aerospec gives
- fall damage immunity (the most meaningful one here)
- increased fall speed (this is most of a hindrance than help in pre-Hardmode, if I'm gonna be blunt with you)
- falling feathers (which only proc on hit and aren't impressive when they do)
Obsidian gives
- immunity to fire blocks (hell yeah)
- brief immunity to lava (again, hell yeah)
sand umbra
Aerospec's most worthwhile bonus can already be accomplished by something else (the Lucky Horseshoe and the wealth of shit it upgrades into) and you honestly don't even really need the fall damage immunity in many pre-Hardmode scenarios
sand umbra
not to mention, exactly one boss later you can get Skyline Wings which kill fall damage anyway
hallow kraken
I don’t like that plural a lot
sand umbra
either way, for now it may be best to focus on getting Aerospec buffed a bit
or perhaps reworked
hallow kraken
That sounds good
As for the second sug from this person, decreasing defense kinda seems unnecessary
sand umbra
fossil
hallow kraken
Pretty sure that’s just throwing
sand umbra
more like "hi and welcome to thrower, the class that the vanilla devs forgot they added"
vital storm
my main language is portuguese so i ever thinked " Throwing class " is " Rogue Class "
sand umbra
rogue is essentially Calamity's throwing class
although compatibility with throwing is a bit wonky
throwing bonuses will also boost rogue weapons, but rogue bonuses will not boost throwing weapons
hallow kraken
Main reason rogue exists is because relogic is lazy and hates throwing
hollow shell
Rogue was originally Throwing, in Calamity too.
Then the Calamity devs learned that Throwing was going to be removed in Terraria 1.4, so they decided to make their own Throwing class and called it "Rogue"
sand umbra
ye
vanilla's throwing sets can still be useful in early-game for rogue, if you don't mind the lack of rogue stealth
vital storm
hearty plaza
tbh rogue stealth doesnt even exist until you get like, abyssal mirror or smth
hollow shell
it doesn't exist until you get Dark God's Sheath
vital storm
it just exist if you are exploring the map or in cave = why you need stop the see item and other things
after get some item ... everything is different ..
hearty plaza
yeah, standing still is not done a lot at all
vital storm
maybe if increase it to 100% "will be good"
because can combine with rogue stealth ...
but ... in boss fight ... WHY I WILL USE IT ?
run ---> wait 2 sec and attack ... ---> run wait 2 sec and . . . .
maybe it ?
foggy plover
why are there no things that modify rogue stuff while at full stealth (for example: adding life regen while at full)
hollow shell
well except stealth strikes technically
and stealth already has enough stat boosts, prolly
vital storm
stealth is very good , but not much good to kill boss on start of game ...
maybe reducing the max stealth it become good ?
ashen warren
Perhaps an accessory or armor SB that gives a chance to perform a stealth strike while at 0 stealth?
sand umbra
Trinket of Chi is a good meme
"ah yes allow me to use this boost that happens when I stand still for 2 seconds and eviscerates under its own hands if I move or attack even once"
gusty geode
That's a lotta quotation marks
queen delta
Honestly if trinket of chi buff didnt go away upon attacking, it'd be good
But only if the boss is "focused" on you just so you dont stand in the sidelines and shoot the boss in mp while ur friend distracts it
And this "focusing" thing can definitely be done cuz the same was done for adren iirc
The buff will only go away if you move or take damage
Rather than being lost when you attack
sand umbra
cuz the same was done for Adren iirc
no 
queen delta
Actually rather than having it be lost upon taking damage, simply making the player take more damage than usual would be better
sand umbra
there was a planned change to make Adrenaline build much slower if the active boss wasn't targeting you in MP
queen delta
So the only way to lose it is by moving
sand umbra
but that died. it didn't work out or smth like that
queen delta
Oh rip
tepid root
pensive
radiant meadow
reworking trinket of chi to be like that should be pretty easy
tepid root
@radiant meadow lol
indigo fog
god
tepid root
meme suggestion
indigo fog
i really don't know what to say
frank stratus
that's amazing
radiant meadow
@wintry wharf ye, no meme suggestions
that'll be a warn
sand umbra
what the bruh even just happened
radiant meadow
called I leave for 2 seconds and there's already a meme suggestion
ashen warren
Hmm yes
sand umbra
I'll give 'em credit for calling back to that old meme, of all things, though
radiant meadow
@wintry wharf please read the suggestion don'ts document
you're not allowed to suggest specific items
indigo fog
so this dude is asking to be banned
strong jacinth
radiant meadow
the 1 in a million drop chance from scal and not affecting bunnies are huge indicators of that
tepid root
this guy is fear
viral shell
infinite damage as well
indigo fog
i thought lul was a testing item
radiant meadow
You're not allowed to suggest meme items
but that's not to say meme items don't exist
hollow shell
@next ember You need to add a reason for that
indigo fog
That's just more lag i'm pretty sure
sand umbra
that seems kinda specific but okay
fervent citrus
Yeah i found out its non-existent xD
indigo fog
Wait, dafuq is an eternal void?
It's not an existing item it was what they were suggesting
hollow shell
I assume he means like for a while
swift bison
at least for a second or 2
hollow shell
like several seconds
so you can like draw with lines of fire
and have enemies run into em
swift bison
sounds like an interesting specific weapon idea tbh
prime elbow
maybe make flamethrowers shoot out a lighting projectile that lasts for longer but shoots much less of them?
hollow shell
If Mr. Moomoo doesn't come back soon I'm puttin him on the big fat list
prime elbow
(invisible projectile that emits light)
split narwhal
I'll try to tag him
hollow shell
(There was prolly one or two other instances between the last entry and now but I wasn't there for them.)
split narwhal
@next ember
frosty dagger
gusty geode
What kinda person makes arenas out of planter boxes anyway
Why not use the planter boxes
As planter boxes
frail mantle
cause planter boxes work as platforms and you don't need to vibe check an entire forest to make an arena with them
distant gyro
Obviously we see a novice living in the stone age over here, planter boxes is the real way to make an arena
frail mantle
planter boxes chad tbh
distant gyro
It doesn't make sense to stick a torch though
ashen warren
How the fuck are cal mod devs supposed to implement being able to put torches onto planter boxes
tepid root
??
frosty dagger
I'm not a programmer, but I'd think all you would have to do is remove the code that makes it impossible or add code from normal platforms that makes it possis
ashen warren
remove the code
frail mantle
tepid root
i dont really see why itd be hard to make torches able to be put on planter boxes
ashen warren
Cuz plants are supposed to be grown on them
Thats literally their theoretical function
swift wadi
Make torches count as a plant
ashen warren
Lol
tepid root
ez
swift wadi
And therefor be able to be "planted" in the boxes
frail mantle
the way you're describing it is making it sound like it's hardcoded to explode and eat your ass if you try to code them to be able to support torches
tepid root
^
swift wadi
Redcode
frosty dagger
You can already place campfires on them
frail mantle
^
frosty dagger
And I believe candles
gusty grail
A bit late but wtf is moomoo cows suggest
frail mantle
you can already choose whether you want to use pbs as shits to plant on or basically platforms
gusty grail
But i dint understand it
indigo fog
Is that flamethrower suggestion ever gonna add a reason
teal ibex
either way you probably don't need to ping him over it LOL
unborn mango
Who thinks areospec mage needs a mana buff
teal ibex
probably the people who starred your suggestion about it...? 
ashen warren
tepid root
Make dark hearts despawn when Hive Mind despawns or dies.
❔ : Hive blobs already despawn whenever HM dies/despawns, so it feels kinda weird for dark hearts not to despawn. Dark hearts are also really annoying to kill with summoner or melee, so this would be a bit more convinient.
tepid root
dark hearts practically dont exist in the fight because youre always moving tbh
ashen warren
uh no when the hm is circling ur supposed to stay stationary, only move thr moment before hm dashes into u
indigo fog
Make Skeletron's hands not move once Skeletron teleports
Pretty clear reason. Once you're close to Skeletron's hands, they can fly in your face once he teleports without any indication, allowing for very cheap hits.
ashen warren
Jump and dash exist
indigo fog
How was i supposed to know his hands were gonna do that
ashen warren
Exactly u dont thats why dont just run in a straigjt line like that
teal ibex
that's not the issue he's arguing
you can dodge anything if you get good enough and have decent enough mobility, but if something is disproportionally difficult it can still be worth changing
that being said, this looks like an inconvenient situation where the telegraph got kinda lost in skeletron's movements, but i'm not sure since i haven't fought new skelly
indigo fog
This has happened to me multiple times during my rev nohits
and i hate it
I don't see why this should stay, and me getting hit by this shouldn't be my fault
teal ibex
has it always happened immediately after a teleport?
indigo fog
yes
teal ibex
it would be extremely helpful if you could get a second example in a gif, tho i understand if that's too taxing
because at that point it could cross into potential bug territory
indigo fog
I can probably find one since i've been recording my nohit attempts
i'll see if i can find another example
teal ibex
ye, do that and i'll redirect it to dev server to make sure it's not unintended behavior
indigo fog
I couldn't find another example where I died from it, but here's another time where his arms swung after his teleport
final ivy
NOSTALGIA TAKES ME
tired haven
I hope I don't need to explain why this was invalid
final ivy
you dont
tepid root
fear
indigo fog
god this is the 3rd meme suggestion today
indigo fog
Are dark hearts annoying to kill as a summoner because they aren't targeting them?
tepid root
yes
indigo fog
they should
tepid root
eh
would be a bit annoying if summons targeted the dark hearts
instead of targeting hm
indigo fog
They should at least kill them after HM is dead
tepid root
m
indigo fog
But yeah Dark Hearts just shouldn't be there anyway
teal ibex
so the first example you sent is in fact unintended and should hopefully have a fix soonish, tho obv that'll only come out in the next patch 👍
frail mantle
Water Candles and Battle Potions exist
ashen warren
Saldass stop with the meme suggestions
That durability thing can be a whole mod by itself
tepid root
theres already a durability mod pretty sure
frail mantle
Indeed
sand umbra
re: latest sugg
bonus points: after you die to Hive Mind, Dark Hearts really like to just stick around and rain on your corpse to add insult to injury
tepid root
yes thomas thats exactly what happened
i had to use slime mount to be able to kill these shits
severe burrow
I was thinking about an item/potion/accessory/mode item that makes all enemy/boss attack hitboxes extremely clear and obvious
Like, max contrast there is no way this can blend into any background obvious
tired haven
Modder's toolkit 
severe burrow
Something like that, yeah
I'd imagine it having a bunch of miscellaneous uses and it could help people who struggle with seeing things for any reason
distant gyro
hitboxes showcase would visually look hideous
distant gyro
no way it could be implemented unless test item
in that case, what if it's slapped in LUL
tbh
sand umbra
I mean I can see the purpose of it
tired haven
For those who want that desperately, they can install mod
For others that will stick out as much as uganda knuckles item wink wink
severe burrow
It could probably help people with low end devices who have to play with low graphics
severe burrow
Apparently some attacks are invisible on low graphics if they reach far enough
distant gyro
no, that's just the dust limit
severe burrow
Well it would still help with that regardless
distant gyro
demonic pitchfork is relevant?
potent veldt
It exists.
tepid root
whats a demonic pitchfork
potent veldt
tepid root
(i legit never heard of it before)
potent veldt
It's a fairly good mage weapon you can get at the start of HM
distant gyro
bootleg unholy trident
potent veldt
But, you can't obtain it in crimson worlds.
tepid root
meme
distant gyro
potent veldt
Also lol, thanks Trivia
distant gyro
Consistency with vanilla's Lucky Lucky Horseshoe trivia
and Deadly Deadly Sphere Staff
tepid root
god
potent veldt
I just like how the Trivia notes that, but also doesn't note that it's a corruption-specific weapon
No part of the page mentions it
distant gyro
Soul Harvester also doesn't mention it (nor Cursed Capper)
night cradle
the crafting section kinda does
potent veldt
Sort of?
sand umbra
I forgot Demonic Pitchfork exists
cinder robin
Funny name
hollow shell
looks like Seberian doesn't know how the sausage gets made™️
hollow idol
Peak suggestion, new standard
hollow shell
A real life sausage maker is essentially a meat grinder
hence its usage here
i.e. You're pulverizing the enemies into meat
"Meat Grinder" was taken though
hollow shell
We've also got a hammer named "Flesh Grinder"
and a flail named "The Meatball"
hollow shell
okay, so
imagine a cheese grater
hallow kraken
why
hollow shell
now imagine you stuck a bunch of cheese graters on a long stick
and you thrusted it at your enemies
hallow kraken
weapon to surpass metal gear
distant gyro
we fucking got the meatball
queen sail
That is a
tepid root
rover what
hollow shell
Sausage Maker.
queen sail
Very peculiar description
hollow shell
Thank you, your honor.
ashen warren
Meat Beater.
hallow kraken
no
tepid root
god
hallow kraken
Already in the game, it’s called the autohammer
and the solar hamaxe, that works too
hollow idol
cranium smasher
frosty dagger
Sugg idea: add a ranger accessory path from pre boss to pre Scal or Yharon.
Ranger the the only class without a pre boss accessory and only has one late game accessory (elemental quiver). Adding another accessory path would make playing ranger less black and white and more diverse.
queen sail
Annnnnnnnnnnnnddddddd blue check
hollow idol
(i mean, most of the time the sug just says pre hm and not an entire line)
tulip parcel
v i b e c h e c k
brittle nexus
I mean meat beater wouldnt be that bad since vanilla has the golden shower and mourning wood
potent veldt
I'd be down for Meat Beater
Just because it fits more and actually has like, a point to it's name
lost agate
Master bait
tired haven
Bone Meat
hollow shell
Alternatively
"The Skewer"
to fit in with Artery --> Aorta
Rotted Fork --> The Skewer
and kinda keeping the food theme
... or "Kebaber"
tired haven
Kebaber is hot (literally and practically)
versed tundra
Make the transition between small and big Astrum Deus phases clearer
Currently it can be a little hard in all of the chaos to tell exactly when the boss changes phase, which could lead you to staying in the big worm's hitbox at the moment it switches back on.
A way to fix this would be to make all of the worms flash bright white at the moment they switch.
Additionally, you could add a short invulnerability phase for both the player and the worms to let the players reposition themselves.
ashen warren
I liked the name sausage maker because you make sausage out of your opponents
I actually died in boss rush to this so yea I’m down
hollow shell
Seems like a good sugg
versed tundra
I could mention how the problems are only made worse with the addition of the multiplayer factor
you'd need a very coordinated team to manage switching phase at the best moment for everyone
so the fight usually turns into a DPS race, but that's beside the point
oh, I know, I know!
Let's rename the sausage maker the Frankfurker!
as in Frankfurter + maker
Couldn't find a more classy name
ashen warren
Frankforger, idk
tulip parcel
had a thought
hollow shell
Frankfucker
tulip parcel
aaand it's gone
versed tundra
@hollow shell ||That's the joke||
hollow shell
heck
tulip parcel
and nothing gets assier than the cursed dagger
versed tundra
....? I don't get it.
versed tundra
Who even makes those?
distant gyro
early hm weps exist for the sake of existing
tulip parcel
people who don't know any better
versed tundra
Appart from the rail gun if you are into that kind of laser beam stuff 😏
tulip parcel
oh god the railgun
that's the most fun weapon ever
until it's useless which is sadly very quickly
versed tundra
It pierces, right?
tulip parcel
It pierces and it has an instant travel time
versed tundra
That's a niche in ranger's set
tulip parcel
plus it makes pretty lines
ashen warren
Honestly yea
versed tundra
Ranger is the worst class against big crowds I find
Well, that's the flamethrower subclass...
and then the launchers
but the piercing weapons aren't as common as with other classes
distant gyro
ranger is the best and worst class at the same time
I still think melee does worse on crowds because that's the nature of melee, even projectile melee
ranger kills crowds fast enough because projectile spam with lots of damage etc
holy arrows basically define this type of attack
hallow hatch
good sugg
hollow shell
I guess it's valid?
It's a pretty silly suggestion but he gave a reason
distant gyro
silly to have a boss dropping a boss
hollow shell
He could expand it a bit more with some lore / hierarchy stuff but w/e
distant gyro
it works
indigo fog
Do the other slime gods drop hearts?
hollow shell
No
tulip parcel
what is a king to a god, etc, etc
distant gyro
but where does the crown come from when core pops, and how does a small entity release a large entity, questions
hollow shell
It's why the whole situation with what is and isn't considered a boss in the fight is so weird
Neither of the big slime gods are bosses cuz that'd allow them to drop hearts so you can recover mid-fight
ashen warren
But at this point of the game you can kill it easily
indigo fog
Also don't bosses drop like a lot of hearts? this would heal the player for like half their health at least
hollow shell
I guess the problem is
What's the point
tulip parcel
there isn't any real point
scenic crypt
You can make the minions of the two large slime gods drop more hearts instead
Having slime god core summon king slime is too random
indigo fog
That's actually much better than king slime spawning
lost agate
"so why does another boss spawn vs slime god"
"Healing"
"But, dont you have healing potions and-"
"shhhh its fine"
hollow shell
Targeting the small guys for HP makes sense, gameplay-wise
You're drawing fire away from the big guys to help yourself
briefly switching from offense to defense
queen sail
Honestly making slime god summon a king slime seems like a waste of time
Code and gameplay wise
tulip parcel
what is the crown jewel anyway
queen sail
The accessory or the rev gimmick
queen sail
So that the entire fight isn’t mostly just rope
hollow shell
in the words of Mr. Bean
"Magic! [snort snort]"
queen sail
Or two block platform
Lorewise it’s probably just magic bs per usual
I don’t really know why it confuses you 
indigo fog
So that the entire fight isn’t mostly just rope
But doesn't KS already jump really high once you're up there
tulip parcel
see I figured like... it's super easy to get a crown jewel right
queen sail
Failsafe
tulip parcel
Its current only use is part of that one accessory
but what if you could make a summoner's accessory out of the crown jewel and some purified gel
resulting in you more or less getting that as a minion
when equipped in the accessory slot
queen sail
I mean
hollow shell
Could be neat
You'd need to provide a good-ass reason if you wanted to suggest that though
cuz that is specific
tulip parcel
wait
i got it
crown jewel + royal jelly + purified gel
maybe with some extra gel in there
calm onyx
It'd be neat to have a little crown jewel as a prehm sentry or something.
tulip parcel
the idea is that you purify the king slime's essence and "revive" it with the purified gel
while the puny little king slime is no longer of use, the crown jewel is loyal to you in his presence
keen geyser
it's a great idea, but it's a specific item suggestion
tulip parcel
well I'll try to generalize it as "using post-slime god mats, make an accessory minion based on the king slime's crown jewel"
keen geyser
isn't that still specific?
tulip parcel
is making any suggestion save for "do something at spot" specific
if I specify beyond "need content" am I being too specific
fucking hell
quit minimodding, please
keen geyser
how am I minimodding
I myself am not sure if it's too specific or not
hence why I asked
hollow shell
It's bordering on specific
but it'd probably be acceptable with enough reason provided
Why it should be post-SG, why using Crown Jewel, why a minion, etc
(Doesn't need to be an essay but I just wanna make sure all the bases are covered
As non-SIS as possible)
tulip parcel
How strong are corroslime/crimslime against the wall of flesh?
keen geyser
in my experience they're outclassed by herrings
tulip parcel
and how good are herrings against WoF
hollow idol
herrings fly and you get more of them
keen geyser
they probably deal more damage, but it's more situational
ashen warren
If you can get the WoF’s eye on level with a platform to make the slimes sit on it, yes. Otherwise, no.
keen geyser
herrings also deal with hungries in like 2 seconds
ashen warren
Because of the half minion slot thing
keen geyser
ye
tulip parcel
then realistically speaking, summoner doesn't get mcuh of a power boost to carry them into hardmode from slime god
tulip parcel
Additionally, there is a precedent for crown jewel being used in the crafting of other items
Celestial Jewel and Karasawa both use it
ashen warren
I guess I didn’t see the thread, what are you proposing one can craft with the Crown Jewel?
tulip parcel
Oh, well I was gonna suggest that you could use it with purified gel and royal jelly to create an accessory that gives you the crown jewel minion
you know, the thing wagging around while you fight king slime
keen geyser
summoner is outclassed
ashen warren
Not weak as much as just hard
ashen warren
I didn’t have much success with endgame ranged
queen sail
You can but, like
keen geyser
you can if it's got really good reasoning
tulip parcel
again with this shit
keen geyser
and isn't too specific
tulip parcel
from a dev
queen sail
It has to be general and be well supported
frail mantle
You can, you just can’t make it super specific
tulip parcel
It's bordering on specific but it'd probably be acceptable with enough reason provided Why it should be post-SG, why using Crown Jewel, why a minion, etc (Doesn't need to be an essay but I just wanna make sure all the bases are covered As non-SIS as possible)
what SIS means I have no idea
keen geyser
Specific item suggestion
tulip parcel
got it
ashen warren
Oh look it’s Yuh, the Captain Flacon main
hollow idol
Ok: A post DoG summon weapon because its pain with Yharon
Not ok:
“The Revengeanator”
5298 damage
20 knockback
Purple rarity
Shoots lasers in every direction that deals damage from every class
queen sail
We banned sis’s because then #suggestions-voting would be consisted of 10% legitimate suggestions to improve the mod and 90% deviantart fanfiction tier donor items
tulip parcel
gimme that DARK SPARK TWO babyyy
queen sail
And some of those were just references because hahafunny
tired haven
tulip parcel
but in all seriousness I'll probably think on this a bit
then maybe come back later with it all written out
it'll be like
"summoner is in need of a few bonuses here and there to help them along their way since they're the weakest right now, one spot they need help in is in early hardmode. one way you could do that is [hypothetical item] but really, anything other than the corro/crimslime staves would be appreciated"
hollow idol
Thats why my item was early hardmode until Blackhawk and shellfish were added
keen geyser
which one was that
tulip parcel
What you demanded it be moved, How shellfish of you
tulip parcel
I think there’s a general apathy regarding summoners in calamity
Partly due to their weapons aiming themselves
If I did make a specific item suggestion regarding them I’d probably make a pikmin esque weapon where you throw them at enemies and they either return to you to be thrown again or cling to an enemy doing damage til it dies or they deal a certain amount
But no one like those
tired haven
(summoner should have been mage subclass) 
tulip parcel
Summoner should give bonus damage to magic you cast with it
queen sail
It initially was but only relogic makes the best and most consistent design choices
tulip parcel
Equal to the amount of minions you have
BUT
Each minion reserves the mana spent summoning them
So if you summon 4 minions for 20 mana each lets say you get +40% damage with magic weapons but you also lose 80 max mana til they’re unsummoned
It’s a magic subclass but you actually sacrifice mana to use it
Actually you know what might fit the class better as a name if that change is made
Warlocks are the ones who usually summon minions in fiction
How’s making summoner not just playing the waiting game a bad idea
tired haven
Because that will mean vanilla overwrite which is a tad lot too much work
indigo fog
tulip parcel
It’s not adding a new class
indigo fog
It's not?
tulip parcel
No
potent veldt
It is.
tulip parcel
It’s adding a mechanic to an existing one
potent veldt
With how it's worded, it is.
"A necromancer class" implies heavily that it's a new class.
tulip parcel
I’m not talking about the necromancer thing
tired haven
Let's not go to semantics here
The amount of work and gameplay change to redo summoner class will render it as new one
potent veldt
It's still a rather larger change to an already pretty set fight
Even if it gets through somehow, I heavily doubt it would get implemented
Also that entire paragraph is two sentences
tulip parcel
He’s just shitposting
potent veldt
Shitposting in #suggestions-voting is literally banned.
So word yourself carefully, lad.
tired haven
it just won't be accepted because "high effort to implement" suggestions are usually discarded immediately
Also mhm?
potent veldt
Again, I was just saying to be careful.
And, there's no real reason to shitpost in here either.
Since any shitpost sugg in here simply won't make it to #suggestions-voting
So, there's little reason to shitpost.
queen sail
The “keep shitposting to a minimum” is server wide
potent veldt
Because, it's the rules?
tulip parcel
You think you’re the first one to go
“I’m gonna go shitpost here that’ll be so funny”
It’s not
That’s why the rule is there
potent veldt
@ashen warren You do realize there's no reason to delete anything right?
There's an audit log for the server admins to look at of everything you've ever said.
No matter what you do to delete any of it.
You're literally just deleting things for absolutely no reason.
tulip parcel
I genuinely would like summoner revised in some way though
As it stands they’re the most boring class
potent veldt
I'd like Summoner to be more interesting, but I think that isn't a prioritized thing right now
tulip parcel
And probably the weakest too
potent veldt
that is false
ashen warren
Well i will delete my account
tulip parcel
Why, is ranged still the whipping boy
potent veldt
Summoner is considered kinda strong in a lot of instances
potent veldt
@ashen warren That won't do anything either.
runic heath
That isn't true actually
potent veldt
Again, nothing will get rid of it.
queen sail
Also if you delete your account then uhhhhh
runic heath
audit log only shows you whether something has been deleted
queen sail
Good for you ig
runic heath
and afaik only applies to admin deletion of messages
tulip parcel
He’s just shitposting
tired haven
Can we just move on from the "deleted messages blablabla"?
tulip parcel
Again
Y’all keep biting
anyway
maybe one way to change summoner is change how it works with magic damage
potent veldt
Ah wait, I forgot bots are the only ones capable of keeping full-on chatlogs.
tulip parcel
like instead of the mana reservation thing
summoners get no damage reduction for using magic weapons, for example
potent veldt
That would be kinda dumb though
I think it should just be a more active class
Like, I think the Aureus bomber idea they added is cool
And would be a cool direction to go in
tulip parcel
then there need to be more weapons for them to use nontraditionally "summon a minion"
potent veldt
I think that's fine, but I also think that's something that needs it's own time
tulip parcel
like, just tossing this out there, a weapon that summons a minion that charges forward, charges back, and leaves
like an MvC assist
potent veldt
That's... Oddly specific.
tulip parcel
just an example
tulip parcel
you "summon" something that does a thing then despawns