What about any of it not doing 700 damage
#suggestions-discussion
ashen warren
radiant meadow
they fall in the same vein
sand umbra
honestly
if you want my two cents
the buffed events all need some good ol' TLC
perhaps not now, but in the foreseeable future
distant gyro
what's a tlc
sand umbra
~~tender love and care
can also refer to the TV channel nobody watches~~
radiant meadow
also, I'd like to take this time to note that I'm not representative of the entire dev team
quick ice
Is crag rework included in that list Ben?
sand umbra
crags rework is somewhere
radiant meadow
and even though I do a lot of programming, my specialties lie in random qol shit and weapons
and I think?
quick ice
Aight, cause we need crag reworks before Yharim or the super-bosses
radiant meadow
I don't remember everything on the schedule 
split narwhal
Is your list like 20 pages long?
radiant meadow
my todo list?
split narwhal
ye
radiant meadow
it's like 5 things that I keep procrastinating on
reworking ssv and photo being two of them
sand umbra
SSV rework sounds hot
ashen warren
If the next update does have Draedon in it, it won’t come out in the next 3 years
radiant meadow
draedon is 1.4.5
tulip parcel
Add “make the cursed dagger swear” to that list
quick ice
Does the upcoming update include the implemented suggestions?
radiant meadow
anything altix just flagged an hour ago, yes
so stuff like crag house touchups and celestus recipe change, yes
quick ice
Very cool, time to restart my world for the new Crag Houses
radiant meadow
I think I replaced the walls with brimstone slag walls
and the furniture with ancient furniture
split narwhal
How big will be the next update?
sand umbra
probably not very big
considering the big chungus update that just released literally a week ago
radiant meadow
it'll add like 3 weapons, some rebalancing, and a ton of bug fixes
sand umbra
radiant meadow
compared to like the previous 30 weapons
quick ice
How large will the Acid Rain update be?
radiant meadow
it'll have an entire event so probably pretty big
sand umbra
does this ton of bug fixes, by chance, includes the fixes to AS' sudden perpetual state of Mechworm that was apparently induced by this past update
split narwhal
since it's quite small, when will it be released?Dmode slime god is destroying me atm
He's way too fast
sand umbra
bruh?
radiant meadow
lost agate
(just set the life of all body segments and tail to 0 if the head is killed)
indigo fog
@ashen warren You need to provide a reason for that in your suggestion
ashen warren
The fuck
indigo fog
Slime God is already difficult as it is, this is unnecessary and will put the focus completely on the gods instead of both the slimes and minions
low salmon
Hense why the power budget shift could be done.
ashen warren
The lore item said "if he consumes all slimes he would be unstopable" that means he can consume slime to get stronger
low salmon
Make them more of a endurance fight, instead of a dps duel.
ashen warren
But you can put the slimes he consumes on fire or poisen them to damage him
indigo fog
This is still a buff to SG with that change or not
The lore item said "if he consumes all slimes he would be unstopable" that means he can consume slime to get stronger
Realism doesn't always work together with balancing. This will just make the fight legit unfair
And if you're gonna provide a reason, edit it into your suggestion too. It's in the rules
ashen warren
Then this will force you to make an arena and kill slimes in it before the fight begins
indigo fog
how does this change force you to make an arena? You should have made or had one anyway
It's an unnecessary buff
To a boss that already needs nerfs due to how fast the gods are
ashen warren
ALRIGHT
indigo fog
...so are you gonna delete it or at least edit the suggestion to have a reason?
it seems not
ashen warren
how the fuck can u fight sg without an arena
each hit does like ~120 dmg
and cursed, distorted gravity
low salmon
I put a line of platforms in death mode and deal just fine? 
And its just a single line to run across while I hook and jump over things.
ashen warren
thats still an arena ig
low salmon
Mkay.
split narwhal
Death mode SG is way too fast currently, no need to buff it even more
indigo fog
By the way if you don't edit your suggestion to have a reason it will eventually be deleted. It has happened before
low salmon
Since the whole point of sg is hes the reverse cheese of king slime.
Dodge god boi, and let the slimeblubbers sit on the platform above you.
indigo fog
It's still an obstacle
ashen warren
just run and u dodge everything
ashen warren
i think he deleted it
Sorry i always fight bosses without an arena expect for yahron and supreme calamits
indigo fog
how do you play
indigo fog
Do you have infinite flying or something
split narwhal
Other mods?
indigo fog
What difficulty are you im curious
low salmon
Since a single line of platforms counts as an arena, I guess I use an arena for almost every boss.
split narwhal
How?Didn't calamity buff the damage dealt to NPCs?
indigo fog
why would it do that? town NPCs already die instantly to Mourning Wood spawncamping you
and other enemies that kill them easily
ashen warren
no no no i just use the nurse in pre hardmode
ashen warren
i use it normaly with sg
split narwhal
Apparently to make them more consistent with the damage the player takes
ashen warren
and since it only get through walls when i am far away i heal while stuck to the wall
So it does not dmg the nurse
split narwhal
What difficulty are you on
ashen warren
i play multiple saves sometimes normal sometimes expert
split narwhal
That makes sense now
potent veldt
@bitter drift Those are sorta two different suggs in one
bitter drift
i said this or this
bitter drift
so delete this and make 2 different ones instead?
potent veldt
And honestly, I don't even think the mechworm is needed. I'd much rather there just be a different summon you can get post-DoG.
Mechworm is a pseudo-mess, even without it being "slow"
bitter drift
that's why i said buff it or let the community make a new post DoGG weapon that work
but ok i will delete this and make 2 different suggestion each one say a different option
potent veldt
Again, the speed isn't honestly the main issue with Mechworm.
bitter drift
so what is
bitter drift
ok
potent veldt
I just think it'd be better to make your sugg solely about a new post-DoG summon, is all I'm saying
potent veldt
What
bitter drift
yes
potent veldt
Also, don't say "Have the community do it" or whatever
This detail means nothing. The devs will make the ultimate decision no matter what the community does.
bitter drift
they banned the ability to make new weapons only changing small things in existing weapons like damage
potent veldt
...
bitter drift
this is why i said
"allow the community to make a weapon"
potent veldt
That has nothing to do with what I just said.
Suggesting "Add a different option for Summoners after DoG" is nowhere near against the rules.
bitter drift
like please remind me when was the last time you saw someone suggest an entirely new weapon
forget post DoG summon
just any new idea
potent veldt
That has happened plenty of times.
bitter drift
in the past yes
potent veldt
So, yes.
bitter drift
not this month or last month
potent veldt
That has happened.
bitter drift
once it was allowed
potent veldt
I don't see why the timeframe makes literally any difference.
The rules on adding a "general" item to fix a problem hasn't changed at all.
bitter drift
because there was a time where you could have suggested a weapon of your own
now you can't add any new weapon
potent veldt
Adir.
bitter drift
we have been told that a while ago
potent veldt
A "specific suggestion", which is a Don't
Is asking for a named weapon, that you have the idea for, that has like
Its own behavior, and stats, and stuff
That's "specific"
Saying something like "Hey add a rogue armor set in this part of the progression because there is no options for Rogue armor there", is not specific
Because you are allowing the devs to figure it out themselves.
You are proposing a fix to the problem; not a specific item.
bitter drift
this is gonna get banned and if it does you take the blame
indigo fog
@ashen warren Again, you need to add a reason to your suggestions before you post them
indigo fog
And I don't understand why they should change colors from biome to biome
no other slime does that
bitter drift
i guess he has a different view of the core at his mind
potent veldt
The only one that does anything even remotely close is a Rainbow Slime, which isn't even all that great
indigo fog
Rainbow Slime is always forgotten
I said from biome to biome
swift wadi
didnt you just edit it to say that
bitter drift
well this is the closest thing
swift wadi
Byeah, the slimes are already tied to a biome, well two, the crimson and corruption, it wouldn't make any sense for them to change color depending on biome
indigo fog
I wasn't finished
bitter drift
i think he meant the core not the gaurdians
that would be a bit out there but i can see why
indigo fog
As i said no reason
If you don't have a good reason, don't suggest it. your suggestion will just get deleted
bitter drift
potent veldt
I think you're missing the point
bitter drift
potent veldt
Saldass, may I please ponder a query upon you
bitter drift
yes
potent veldt
Have you, perchance, taken a gander at the pins?
bitter drift
this was strange
potent veldt
Aw, he deleted it all.
You okay bud? You want some mental help?
I'm not being an ass with this either, if you wanna chat about something, just in case, my dms are open.
bitter drift
no i'm fine
bitter drift
oh
potent veldt
Whats up with people deleting all their text, what
Is there a lurking mod or something
bitter drift
no it's was not even connected to #suggestions-discussion so i deleted it
pliant bone
That's... uhh is that a bug even?
quartz hare
idk tbh
tired haven
400 mana cap is vanilla limit
The fact that 550 with calamity consumables turned into 400 is a bug and was already fixed on test
quartz hare
sooo... shoud i remove my sugg?
quartz hare
thanks!
ashen warren
the fck
bitter drift
i don't think the calamity mod should run with thorium
swift wadi
It's not Calamity's job to make itself work with other mods, it's a stand alone mod
ashen warren
but i agree that post ragnarok items are a bit op
they r called reality breaker for a reason but ok
but still u can choose not to use the mount for dog
void kelp
post-rag items are thorium’s version of the developer weapons so yeah
bitter drift
but then again
auric ore isn't used for much and is really common in the underground
we don't need it as it's easier to fight yharon then wait to find some ores
void kelp
you get like hundreds of it
void kelp
hundreds, plural
bitter drift
well you get what i say
green pumice
i'm sure theres enough auric ore to make anything you need
tired haven
Usually the concern is that there is a bit too much ore, heh
hallow kraken
That’s a pretty unspecific reasoning
tepid root
SSV
lost agate
And hadepolawhatever echo
terse sundial
YC will still be good, just because we are nerfing it's damage doesn't meant it will be shit
lost agate
Clarity is actually not that much iq anymore iirc
tepid root
pensive
lost agate
So yeah mage has something that isnt "grind like fuck"
terse sundial
you don't need to delete your messages
it sets off our bot that tracks deleted messages
sand umbra
YC is actually getting nerfed for next update
I literally cannot comprehend the reasoning behind this given the fact that Yharim's Crystal is generally assumed to not exist in normal play from how much of a shitshow trying to farm it out is
but I don't care to push anything for it because I figure there's some sort of reasoning
ashen warren
I fail to understand why now the only way for the Voltaic Climax to be good is to farm a 2.5% drop from Yharon.
Endgame mage is weird
tepid root
theres also using the actual voltaic climax against post darksun yharon but sure
void vortex is an RIV that exists because h
tired haven
It exists so people can shut up about buffing voltaic to the golden age of it
That's what I would have done at least 
tepid root
quack
ashen warren
you could at least make it not suck
ashen warren
Then again, deva probs did buff it since the last time I used it
tired haven
Voltaic works on yharon
It's not supposed to work on scal
100% balance here
ashen warren
Last time I used it it was basically pointless. Light God’s Brilliance was better
tired haven
(that's mostly because lgb is busted but meh)
ashen warren
Oof
tired haven
i say busted but in reality most of the mage is under average on yharon for no particular reason, so lgb isn't even that outstanding
ashen warren
I feel like lategame mage is 
in general tbh
Hopefully that’a different with the VC change
hearty yew
@sand umbra yc nerf is slight don't worry
also yeah mage post DoG is a rocky road
I still think that if YC isn't a legendary it should be a normal mage drop from yharon P2
But it's not so idk
sand umbra
it's in a really confusing spot
so like I honestly don't know either
it's a legendary but actually no
hearty yew
no, actually, it was a super legendary until recently when legendaries stopped being affected by defiled (i.e. it was harder to get)
Now it is functionally indistinguishable
Its only difference is that it doesn't drop rev+ only
sand umbra
isn't it also a direct drop from Yharon as opposed to from post-phase 2 bags
hearty yew
uh let me fact check that
sand umbra
or at least, it certainly feels like it is
I'm pretty sure I have yet to ever get Yharim's Crystal legitimately
hearty yew
yes it's direct
sand umbra
yep
as I figured
this also means you cannot boost your chances of getting it by nohitting Yharon with Armageddon
lost agate
I proposed something so defiled could be more versatile and general rather than a huge ass blacklist, but guess it didnt go that well
sand umbra
for whatever it's worth, I enjoyed that proposition
tired haven
tbh if it can't be saved from constant blacklisting is it worth to have one around in first place?
Just a radical thought
lost agate
It got shot down because
A) some shit should still be rare (even tho i literally mentioned that in the sugg)
B) vanilla items requiring math to change it to double (even tho you already have whatever formula you used to make it 5%)
C) Because i dont want to (idfk)
I dont know why i even bother with this mod anymore
lost agate
Its just that, for people that dont have a wiki page open at all times, defiled is basically a dissapointment, you could be farming for smth rare just to realize it wasnt affected and you were being handicapped
ashen warren
For whatever reason I always get YC on first Yharon kill when playing mage
lost agate
And just adding the blacklist to the tooltip is gonna make people wonder, "well tha fuck does this affect then?"
You can randomly get crit, you literally cant fly, and the reward is something that doesnt work on half of what you want it to work
ashen warren
/\
lost agate
Why? Because a select group of devs go to a stretch of their reasoning only being "cuz i dont want them to"
Ugh
Its just unnecesary problems for the player and the people from wiki
But whatever
tired haven
(time to turn the blacklist to the whitelist)
It probably is smaller and does sound nicer at this point
lost agate
Yharim crystal is given the excuses of all special items but its given the title of none
It just doesnt make any fucking sense
sand umbra
I'd honestly prefer Defiled just doubling the rare item drop rates
instead of setting them all to 5%+ when a lot of them are or at least should be balanced around their rarity and not the other way around
fervent citrus
Would changing the crabulon fight in dmode a bit be a good suggestion? Like, ive noticed if i go high enough, the 'shroom rain' attack thing spawns below me and nohitting it becomes a lot easier
Maybe the shrooms should spawn based on the player pos and not crabulon position?
hearty yew
Yeah I would consider that a valid suggestion
hearty yew
@lost agate perfect wording
all the special item excuses and none of their titles
The way I see it is that some weapons/items/sets just have privilege to be immune to mechanics
But this isn't really a discussion for suggestions. Unless I want to make a well worded suggestion which addresses this, I'd rather just drop it because I know it won't go anywhere here
lost agate
Aight
hearty yew
I encourage you to make such a suggestion
"Make Defiled Rune consistent or remove it entirely" or something
@tired haven you too, if you're feeling like you can write well ATM (I sure don't feel like I can)
tired haven
I doubt I could form it fairly well currently
Would wait a few hours to complete some chores and to wear down on bias
hearty yew
Alright
I'm going to go read on the current state of defiled from the wiki, then make the suggestion based on that
lost agate
I did make a sugg about defiled before
fervent citrus
Gl :)
lost agate
But as i mentioned it went ech
fervent citrus
The key is always phrasing, something i lack
sand umbra
the current state of Defiled from what I can tell is summed up by the following:
- bunch of vanilla items that either don't need the boost or are too rare to justify the boost get an additional 5% drop chance INCLUDING THE COIN GUN (unless that was changed)
- bunch of Calamity items balanced around their rarity get boosted to a flat 5% which in a lot of cases defeats the purpose of that rarity
- Yharim's Crystal is to Defiled as vegetables are to a 3-year-old child
lost agate
It was shot down for some really bad reasons
sand umbra
oh yeah Legendaries and RIVs too
lost agate
I think a phrase i read somewhere sums it up well
sand umbra
although in fairness, those items come from bags, which is surprisingly easy to abuse
bitter drift
@fervent citrus how about in multiplayer make it above the screen of the highest player
hearty yew
ichor spear / arbalest / etc. don't come from bags
sand umbra
well yeah
lost agate
Just assume all vanilla drops under 5% drop rate are affected for calamity items refer to wiki cause otherwise haha
sand umbra
was moreso in reference to e.g. Legendaries, Clother's Wrath, Skullmasher/Norfleet, etc.
hearty yew
they're what you would want to use it on anyway, the rare items
sand umbra
byeah normal RIVs are meme too
fervent citrus
@ adir makes sense
sand umbra
Cryophobia be like "allow me to perform what is called an epic gamer move"
"and become a 1% drop from an enemy that you barely see at the point in the game it's supposed to be obtained"
bitter drift
xD
fervent citrus
Oof
bitter drift
me with chaos stone in my cerrent run
tired haven
With coin gun it's special because it only boosts chance on captain
lost agate
It almost feels like it should be treated like eye of magnus
fervent citrus
Btw i edited the suggestion
lost agate
God how many exceptions are there
sand umbra
it's special because it only boosts chance on Captain
fervent citrus
Maybe a higher drop rate for pirate invasion drops?
bitter drift
why do we need a coin gun any way
is there an upgrade?
sand umbra
it's still a 5% drop for the Coin Gun
of all the pirate drops to pick, the rarest and most inherently broken one was selected
sand umbra
oh
fervent citrus
bitter drift
sand umbra
so just literally farm Pirate Captains for a one-stop shop for all your pirate needs
bitter drift
xD
sand umbra
why not have Flying Dutchmen boost the chance instead
you know, the actual miniboss of the event
tired haven
(you seriously need to jump on/under the train a bit less, thomas)
Who knows
sand umbra
lost agate
"it affects this item, but not this group of items, but not this one that doesnt belong to any group of items, but not from this one enemy"
sand umbra
I do this all the time, don't worry about it
lost agate
Ghhhhhhhhhhjjhgjfkjf
sand umbra
it's just normal at this point 
fervent citrus
I shall take some notes 
sand umbra
...I don't know how I ended up with bee crunk but okay I'll go with that
tired haven
One day that will get you steamrolled but I guess 
sand umbra
I'm at least 40% certain it already has
but like
of all the things to boost the drop rate of
why is the Coin Gun affected to such an extent
lost agate
Anyway, im going cuz this is just ech
sand umbra
I get that the other pirate drops are affected too but like
the highest drop chance the Coin Gun has ever in vanilla is 1/400 from Flying Dutchmen
1/8000 from any pirate and 1/2000 from Captains
the item is then entirely balanced around the concept that it is rare as all fuck
hot zephyr
An item that enables "Mayhem Mode" Mayhem increases boss health but increases rage/adrenaline damage. Sorta like the old Death Mode. There wouldn't be any new rewards from Mayhem, just a fun little modifier
quartz hare
hollow shell
New mode ech
sand umbra
suddenly, you have an enemy --- it does not matter which --- that can drop this thing at a 5% chance
any argument about its rarity has now been thrown out the window for what feels like no reason
anywho I'll get quiet now, probably rambled on long enough as it is
lost agate
Thats literally just "bring back old death"
bitter drift
also it's sad to see the coin gun actually have ammo in calamity but the ammo being useless
hot zephyr
Yeah but it's toggleable
hollow shell
Mayhem Mode would be a balancing concern
because the whole reason it was removed from Death Mode was cuz of balancing concerns
fervent citrus
Oof
hearty yew
@sand umbra coin gun is irrelevant as soon as you're post plantera
bitter drift
like 1000 damage per shot is fine but not in post moon lord
hearty yew
the inherently broken item is the discount card, it effectively increases revenue by 16% because 99% of all money spent is reforges
sand umbra
...you make a compelling case
hearty yew
However calamity just hands you that qol earlier in the game on a silver platter due to sirens heart ig
hot zephyr
There's already a myriad of balancing problems in the Calamity mod as is.
bitter drift
sand umbra
okay but actually why does Siren's Heart give the discount card effect
hot zephyr
Like how the Shinobi Blade does 15 damage at the same tier when you can get the Lionfish 
tepid root
hearty yew
not sure
hot zephyr
It just works
sand umbra
ah yes
bitter drift
@sand umbra if you are cute enemies will hurt you less
-undertale
well i must admit you are really cute as a siren
sand umbra
the power of Boobs, the level 80 persuasion spell that cannot fail
cosmic jungle
Coin gun can be used post plantera definitely
hearty yew
anyway, I agree with you on the coin gun
but STFU about it
coin gun isn't really that game destroying
sand umbra
alrighty
hearty yew
if halibut cannon was affected by defiled you'd have a compelling case
because that item is indeed game destroying
bitter drift
in fact by the time you get the ammo to use it it's useless
hearty yew
but last I checked, until you're using gold coins it's not good, and if you have enough gold to use it with gold coins you're probably post ML where you should just use ele blaster for ammoless ranged
hot zephyr
AlchemistNPC money duping
cosmic jungle
Or you did what I did and opened 366 DS bags
cosmic jungle
Byeah withoit gold coins its pretty mediocre
hot zephyr
sand umbra
I somehow forgot how literal the Coin Gun is in its function
fervent citrus
Money duping?
hearty yew
using coin gun with copper is worse than megashark iirc, and silver is good but still only approximately on tier with megalodon
sand umbra
which tells you about how much I've actually cared enough about it to use it
hearty yew
^ so yeah, don't make such a big deal about it
hot zephyr
Higher tier Alch NPC tokens make potions sell more than they cost
bitter drift
welp time to make new coin types fitting for calamity
hearty yew
please tell Gregg not me
cosmic jungle
No
hearty yew
cosmilite coin was suggested a ton of times but it's legitimately impossible to implement
cosmic jungle
We dont need more coins
hearty yew
like it actually doesn't work
sand umbra
this is a pensive moment
hearty yew
Also since calamity fixed its money inflation it's not a problem
cosmic jungle
I heard coin slots are hardcoded
hearty yew
they are very much so
sand umbra
as long as the Goblin Tinkerer exists, money will always be a problem
cosmic jungle
That's why it is sock
bitter drift
i won't say spesifics
hearty yew
all coin related code is massively hard coded
cosmic jungle
hot zephyr
Boutta finna hold Redd at gunpoint
bitter drift
i can think of auric chaotic daedalus and others
keen geyser
didn't juvenile eidolon wyrms used to drop like 90 plat?
hot zephyr
remove coin hardcode 
bitter drift
but it will be up for the devs
cosmic jungle
He just said you cant make new coins
hearty yew
as long as you can increase the effective DPS of almost any weapon by 30% with enough money, tinkerer will be God on Earth and money will always be an integral part of balance
It is possible, the amount of work required would be ludicrous
sand umbra
this is true
cosmic jungle
Fixing temple worldgen is possible too, should you do it? Hell no
hearty yew
Seriously, try using unreforged weapons sometime
You will want to rip your hair out
Like, use a Forceful Megashark instead of an Unreal one
You will feel the fucking pain
cosmic jungle
I already do
hearty yew
Or just don't reforge your accessories one day
cosmic jungle
I am too lazy to reforge my stuff in pts
bitter drift
should we suggest a PHM coin gun
cosmic jungle
Because I dont really need to
bitter drift
ya lol i will just suggest the coins
hearty yew
why?
keen geyser
.
keen geyser
cosmilite coin was suggested a ton of times but it's legitimately impossible to implement
cosmic jungle
sand umbra
it's legitimately impossible to implement
this is the keyword here
keyword: impossible
and I say this as someone who believes just about anything is possible with modding if you pull enough bullshit
scenic crypt
cosmilite coin > platinum coin in terms of currency?
hearty yew
- it is possible it would just take months
and it would break all mod compatibility with anything that works with coins
keen geyser
also
hearty yew
^ that too
cosmic jungle
Because hardcode
hot zephyr
Aren't reforges hardcoded as well?
toxic kettle
Let's never suggest WoF getting a new attack anymore please thank you
cosmic jungle
Coin slots and coins in general are a meme to code
tired haven
(also 2k plat coins break the money anyway so having 20 cosmilite coins aint gonna make it work)
hearty yew
Yes BUT you can make modded reforges.
void kelp
reforges and worldgen aren’t hardcoded to the same degree
cosmic jungle
Ye
hot zephyr
Rogue could do with some unique reforges, I'll have to thing of some
hearty yew
Already done
ashen warren
Exxo Avalon had modded reforges
hearty yew
They are already documented
hot zephyr
Just not out yet?
hearty yew
We simply haven't implemented them because it would have essentially zero gameplay effect
hot zephyr
It'd still be a nice thing to add
hearty yew
They're functionally equivalent to ranged reforges, so we think it's fine to leave them using ranged reforges
hot zephyr
Even if they are just name changes
cosmic jungle
What rogue could use in terms of reforges is perhaps faster stealth build time
hearty yew
Because they're just polish we have them quite far down the importance scale
cosmic jungle
Nothing else really
tired haven
insert sad blobs moaning about summon staves not stealing mage reforges
hearty yew
Stealth is a different problem entirely different from reforges which we'll get to later.
hot zephyr
I can't wait for 2026 when Calamity's accesories have their own vanities
hearty yew
Me personally, yes
hot zephyr
I hope Stealth gets changed sometime because the only thing I like about it rn is Stealth Strikes (love em')
cosmic jungle
That's real cool
ashen warren
And ended with stealth
hot zephyr
Every discussion ends with Stealth
hearty yew
well once y'all are done with your suggestions
ashen warren
@scenic crypt lol
bitter drift
@hot zephyr rogue has immortal
ashen warren
i literally suggested that days ago
cosmic jungle
The issu3 is eith that
hollow shell
also @quartz hare what was that screenshot supposed to mean
cosmic jungle
You can only do that with a good arena
And that takes ages to make
Without cheating
hot zephyr
Would anyone be against just doubling Shinobi Blade's damage?
ashen warren
hot zephyr
Light mode
cosmic jungle
My eyes
hollow shell
Are you just looking at base damage, Ian?
hot zephyr
Yes
sand umbra
light mode
ashen warren
hollow shell
Base damage doesn't mean much on its own
You also need to take usetime and iframes and other things into account
sand umbra
also what is it with these suggs about buffing Rev+ WoF
hearty yew
no idea
sand umbra
does everyone forget that the difficulty of the Wall of Flesh is directly proportional to how much your prepare for it
cosmic jungle
I think WoF is fine on its own
hollow shell
For instance
Staff of the Mechworm has a lower base damage than Stardust Dragon Staff
but it deals much much more damage because it hits on every frame as opposed to obeying normal enemy iframes
hot zephyr
Not getting into specifics though, it's a 15 damage rogue weapon earned at the same time as Lionfish with it's only gimmick being near useless in boss fights
tired haven
I have special bias towards wof buffs because not everyone digs out half the hell to actually simplify the boss to that degree
cosmic jungle
If more it needs respawning hungries nerfed since they fuck non piercing weapons
sand umbra
literally 90% of the difficulty of WoF lies in spending 5 years setting up the arena for it
bitter drift
ya
sand umbra
if I have to spend 5 years setting up its arena and another 5 years fighting it?
hot zephyr
Ok but what if they made WoF horizontal instead of vertical
ashen warren
what
bitter drift
?????
ashen warren
adir really out here dropping a specific items sugma
tired haven
There are tons of times when eye is just on a row with you and lasers actually force you to dodge
The only way to consistently avoid that is to have wide hell and platform in middle
hot zephyr
Ok you take WoF
bitter drift
going down insdead of to the side
hot zephyr
And rotate it 90 degrees
bitter drift
no just no
scenic crypt
aight i deleted the wof buff suggestion
tired haven
Then we got moon: hell edition
cosmic jungle
You cant make coins
hollow shell
aww you didn't need to do that Bry
ashen warren
dont need wide hell
cosmic jungle
Xant you understand that
hot zephyr
Exactly
cosmic jungle
Bruh
ashen warren
like 7 blocks tall enough
scenic crypt
true it isnt fun to fight a difficult boss in hell anyways
hollow shell
It was a different suggestion and HP's didn't even get delivered
bitter drift
no xD
lost agate
No i dont
cosmic jungle
More like
tired haven
🙄
cosmic jungle
No one
sand umbra
for lie you shall die
fervent citrus
btw there is that one boss from MoR that resembles horizontal WoF
sand umbra
tired haven
Everyone wants this to perish*
ftfy
hot zephyr
lost agate
(btw my bias against a buff to wof is hell's horrid worldgen)
cosmic jungle
Same
bitter drift
same
cosmic jungle
Hell has stupid worldgen
fervent citrus
Same
bitter drift
hell is dumb
hot zephyr
Vanilla's worldgen in general sucks
lost agate
(maso wof was nice because fargos has boom shurikens and an instabridge)
cosmic jungle
Not all of it
fervent citrus
Cant build a bridge in peace for 5 mins
fervent citrus
Tru
ashen warren
then why not a suggestion to reduce hell spawn rate pre wof
tired haven
Hmmst
lost agate
Its not the spawn rates
fervent citrus
Mmm meh
hot zephyr
What if obsidian towers were unbreakable but had actual entrances and exits so you had to build with the towers, not against em
cosmic jungle
That would make the weapon not a fun gimmick tbh
fervent citrus
Woah
bitter drift
i don't think the calamity team will get the time to make these many many coin types a currency xD
cosmic jungle
Because you're literally throwing money at bosses
fervent citrus
That would be h e l l
tired haven
That could have been creative gimmick but as is it's too global for calamity
tired haven
Indeed
fervent citrus
It kinda is actually
ashen warren
h wjat r u typing
tired haven
But it's not practical
scenic crypt
wof with featherfall potion
lost agate
Its fucken, tall ass buildings and ash being a huge blockage sometimes, coupled with even lava spawning in the way
bitter drift
also you need money to make the money money money MONEY!
bitter drift
until you are at the half map
sand umbra
lava slimes are super extra mega cringe
hot zephyr
Hell could just get a worldgen rework and never touch WoF and I'd be happy
hollow shell
Two things I just wanna mention, Adir
Remove the exact number "50" from the Gold Coin craft, just make it something general like "a lot of Gold Coins"
and also put something near the tooltip quote you want added to make it "something along these lines" so it doesn't need to be exactly that
hot zephyr
Imagine giant ass bridges and cooler looking buildings
bitter drift
obsidian platforms exist
hot zephyr
Make it look like an actual lost civilization
tired haven
(even planterboxes exist but ech)
tired haven
A lot of people, actually
frail mantle
lava destroys planter boxes iirc
void kelp
lava slimes when killed in expert+ drop lava
sand umbra
people who haven't been enlightened to the way of the planter box arena
frail mantle
also^
ashen warren
planter boxes >> obsidian plattys
tired haven
I even know why but won't tell just yet
hearty yew
planter boxes are fucking broken
ashen warren
u can see them
hot zephyr
Imagine needing obsidian platforms or planterboxes. This meme was made by people who use stone but make lava drains
hearty yew
I should remove their immunity to lava
sand umbra
dew it
ashen warren
so wood gets burnt by lavv
frail mantle
yea good idea
ashen warren
?
hot zephyr
I mean wood is immune to lava as well
hearty yew
Most platforms do though
hollow shell
I dunno if I've ever heard of someone making an arena out of planter boxes but I guess it's a thing apparently?
hearty yew
:/
bitter drift
well if you are braking every building in heck you might as well make it into your arena lol
hearty yew
It's extremely common
ashen warren
Ash makes for the best hellbridge because it fucks with WoF AI
hearty yew
Platforms that are easily purchasesble and immune to lava
hot zephyr
Calamitaul
ashen warren
planter boxes dont havr the stupid fucking smart cursor problsm
hot zephyr
Imagine an Armored Digger boring through the entire fucking world
hearty yew
^ cause they can't be stairs
hot zephyr
Or Providence causing everything to fucking melt
ashen warren
yes
sand umbra
...but in exchange make later-game Calamity platforms immune to lava so Obsidian isn't the only one
primarily Ashen Platforms
scenic crypt
but you cant build a fully straight platform across hell
cosmic jungle
Dmart cursor is dumb as shit ironically
sand umbra
unless that was already fixed and I'm just stupid
hot zephyr
It's time for When Day Breaks, motherfucker
ashen warren
u can
hollow shell
oof the Crag furniture platforms aren't immune to lava?
sand umbra
last I checked, Ashen Platforms are indeed vulnerable to lava
which is pretty bringe if it's still a thing
hot zephyr
You can still use wooden platforms, just use calming pots
scenic crypt
depends on the world gen, some you have to dig alot
void kelp
oversight?
ashen warren
ok diggrr
cosmic jungle
Actually there is a mod called better platforms for easy hellbridge making
bitter drift
digger is a saying in my language
cosmic jungle
The shittier part about making a bridge is the buildings ye
bitter drift
USE THEM FOR THE PLATFORMS LOL
fervent citrus
Why do people say armored digger spawns too frequently when ive only seen him 3 times in my whole time playing calamity?
sand umbra
are Ashen Platforms still vulnerable to lava normally? curious now
because at least personally I don't think they should be
fervent citrus
Tru xD
bitter drift
me2
hot zephyr
Here's a random, niche suggestion: Make thrown consumable Rogue weapons locked to the player that throws em so my friends don't accidentally pick em' up when I'm fighting a boss
fervent citrus
I dunno
tired haven
(because you didn't go in caverns post-plant)
bitter drift
xD
fervent citrus
Seems hard to code
cosmic jungle
Item drops code meme probably
scenic crypt
tested just right now: it is immune to lava
hot zephyr
I mean, Treasure Bags
sand umbra
intriguing
hot zephyr
Aren't lore items player locked as well? So it's possible
sand umbra
cosmic jungle
Would still be coding memes
sand umbra
okay but like
fervent citrus
@ crabbar im pretty sure i spent a long time in caves post plantera
hot zephyr
I guess
hot zephyr
Convenience
fervent citrus
hearty yew
definitely possible to make items drop client side only
sand umbra
it's possible, very much so
fervent citrus
Oh, k
tired haven
Too bad it's mp convenience so it's immediately 20 tiers down the priority list
sand umbra
I'm just confused as to why
hot zephyr
Calamity multiplayer is fun
bitter drift
also what do you think about the lore suggestion i added there with the coin suggestion
fervent citrus
Its good, its good 
sand umbra
did you like completely miss what Rover said earlier
bitter drift
yes
sand umbra
bitter drift
i find what he said true i shall act now
hot zephyr
I'm playing a duo of Ranger and Rogue and it's pretty damn fun
Stealth is a lot more fun when someone can cover for you
bitter drift
:D
sand umbra
sorry if I seem more confusing/grumpy than usual today btw
I've had a really lousy morning and currently have something of a headache, so I can't entirely think straight at the moment
I'm usually smarter than this I swear
hot zephyr
It's fine Thomas
waxen pike
Was pinged but can’t find the message ?
tired haven
The latest i could see for you is 13 hours ago
waxen pike
Tried searching for it but got nothing what does it say
hollow shell
A true shame
I feel like an accessory that does nothing but activate the submergence effects of your equipment would be pretty balanced
Takes up a slot
waxen pike
That was the idea
waxen pike
Got denied so I think they will remain unless for further updates
tired haven
Le shrug
It may be a tad too potent for even 1 slot
But that is merely a result of overloaded water-only effects, so eh
sand umbra
takes an extra slot but in exchange allows you to actually utilize the Amalgam, amongst other things
left crest
maybe it could have a post ML upgrade that activates lava submergence instead, since things like auric melee and demonshade armor gain effects in lava as well
that might be a bit strong though
waxen pike
Lava is a little powerful not sure that would balance
So they don’t like the item idea maybe they don’t get the full idea of what we meant for activating submerged effect
sand umbra
in unrelated but still suggestion-related news, star vote is currently looking to be in favor of another increase
hollow shell
but not by as much now
sand umbra
byeah, it's a lot closer now than it was at first
hollow shell
As these usually go, they start strongly in favor of one then trend toward 50/50
sand umbra
waxen pike
It shouldn’t be to high the chat log fills very fast one it’s not close to the bottom anymore no one reads it
ashen warren
Buffs that occur in Lava basically don’t exist
waxen pike
The ones that do are very powerful with the damage/defense etc water ones are balanced assuming you can use them which I only see people doing if your world is flooded
ashen warren
It’s weird because when I see it in armors I take them as wasted/non effects due to how situational they are, lava more so.
Water buffs have utility when exploring, which is why Mollusk armor exists. Lava buffs are just... why? Who fights things while sitting in lava?
karmic stone
I can repost my sugg if it hasn't been sent after one week right
ashen warren
I think that’s them rules. Perhaps someone should pin that.
waxen pike
Yah I forgot about mollusk armor that’s another mostly unused set
ashen warren
It has a specific purpose though, and I think that’s cool. It’s not like an armor that is supposed to be your upgrade having liquid effects, since Mollusk is very much its own thing
bitter drift
i have an idea but I'm training at this second soo
waxen pike
At least some dev/moderators got my suggestion and maybe rethink the decision as more people think about the utility of submerged equipment, hopefully eventually they items will have more of a use later on
sand umbra
see like
Mollusk armor is obtained at a point where you can very reliably utilize water for arenas and other purposes
and encountering water when exploring is still common, because exploring is still common
...by the time you get Amalgam you're not exploring anymore
bitter drift
i had the idea of a consumable or accessory that makes you submerged but damage will make it go away for a time
sand umbra
more alcohol
ashen warren
I once utilized abyss-dungeon stuffs to make a submerged Polter arena
I think the devs don’t want to implement a “submerge the character” item given that every one of them I’ve seen got rejected
hollow shell
@karmic stone Yes
tepid root
eat worm
tepid root
also doesnt one of the apoth and friends items have the function of shooting small homing DoG heads
if so, this is perfect
ashen warren
feels weird returning to calamity just to touch up my dev weapon 
i'll change apotheosis when i return and do other actual code things
sand umbra
...this was literally a change made because of a sugg to make boss summons more consistent with vanilla boss summons
tepid root
what does that reasoning even have to do with the suggestion
sand umbra
are you kidding me
frail mantle
are you saying that they're too hard to obtain?
sand umbra
the update's been out a week and already people are asking to revert changes made for the betterment of the game
never mind the fact you can literally buy like every boss summon in the game after beating each one once
frail mantle
tepid root
i mean i dont like them being crafted at a demon altar either tbh, kind of inconvenient
sand umbra
vanilla boss summons being crafted at an altar isn't exactly convenient either
you don't see those mentioned in this sugg
hollow idol
Do they know you can make them still, im getting that feel from how its worded
tired haven
probably not
hollow idol
You need demon energy to get the crown to stick to the gel
sand umbra
@flat ermine all of the boss summons you mentioned are now crafted at an evil Altar and were made this way for consistency with vanilla summons
tepid root
is king slime the most evil of evil
sand umbra
you can still craft them, just not from the comfort of your own Magic Storage without other mods
hollow idol
draedons forge smh
tired haven
He is, for he ate ninja
sand umbra
was Draedon's Forge changed to work as an Altar as well
hollow idol
iirc
sand umbra
mfw I literally can't fucking function without 100% changelogs
or at the least, that's how it feels today
hollow idol
yeet
brittle nexus
sand umbra
damf
brittle nexus
Imagine not wanting to walk for 1 minute to a demon altar
terse sundial
the change was made for consistency
hallow kraken
Isn’t that kinda against non-linearity?
terse sundial
yes
tired haven
cough non-linearity cough
left crest
this mod encourages non linearity
terse sundial
@ashen warren that kind of suggestion isn't allowed
left crest
this works directly against that
terse sundial
the point of it is to have the option of fighting Yharon before DoG and Provi if the player wants
hollow shell
@flat ermine That reason doesn't mean much as it is
It's not like we removed them from the game
terse sundial
wow
hollow shell
(Thank Discord)
terse sundial
mobile is rude
hollow idol
didnt desktop get a terrible ui change though
cosmic jungle
shhhh
gusty geode
3DS is the true best platform because it's the only one where you can still fight Turkor and Lepus without mods
sand umbra
mobile didn't get a terrible UI change because it doesn't have a good UI to start with
hollow idol
I like this ui ( ._.)
sand umbra
I don't like mobile at all
cosmic jungle
smh using the wrong 
sand umbra
gusty geode
The thing that basically killed mobile for me wasn't the UI
It's that they removed the tutorial world
hollow idol
we’re speaking of discord
gusty geode
Ah
hollow idol
(insert pics of mobile calamity)
sand umbra
it was all part of a secret ploy to bring Calamity to all devices
it all fell apart when they were found out
hollow idol
Regarding the apotheosis sug, I think that changing dedicated items should be on the “dont’s” doc because people yell at people for suggesting them but they wouldnt know beforehand because its not on the doc
hollow shell
What sugg just got yeeted
oh
right
Perhaps
It's not really a Don't, because they are allowed as long as you get permission
hollow idol
I mean it could be somewhere on the doc along with a note like that
gusty geode
Just a thought tho
Isn't it a problem if a dedicated item has complete control of the meta
Idk if Apoth does
But ik there was at least one that did
hollow idol
Kelvin
gusty geode
Yeah
Forgot the name for a sec
sand umbra
Kelvin Catalyst also got nerfed like 3 times in a row because people don't know when to shut up about "OP" items
now it's like
good but not great
tepid root
i thought kelvin was the meta for leviathan.,,.,
tiny rose
frail mantle
maybe add a note to the Don'ts/Shouldn'ts or sugg rules that suggestions relating to dedicated content are allowed, though they won't be added if the dedicatee disapproves
ashen warren
Perhaps to tell them to ask about in sugg discussion first and see if it’s okay to ask the dedicatee about it
lol
tired haven
The power of democracy will solve this case, thankfully
ashen warren
when more Chariot gameplay?
tired haven
🙄
tepid root
gusty geode
I remember hearing stuff about stuff not happening in real democracy unless the vote showed a huge majority in favor of it
Something like 70%+
Idk about anyone else but I feel like it'd leave more people happy if that were applied here
Then again if it had always been like that I'm pretty sure specific items would still be legal
What were the results on the specific item poll again anyway
Don't remember
tired haven
Something real close too
frail mantle
iirc it was even, but the devs ruled in favor of banning them anyway
tired haven
Also, well, I was referencing stereotypical democracy anyway, heh
(especially given the fact most devs rn are indeed positive for the star raise: that's exact reason why poll was created in first place)
gusty geode
sand umbra
there's also reasonable suspicion (or at least was at the time, unsure about now) that the SIS poll was botted
so take that result with a grain of salt
ashen warren
the initial results for sis poll was like 75% in favour of remove
then over the course of 24 hours it gradually, at basically the same rate all throughout, shifted to over 50%
the rate did not change even through like, 12-6am when most people in this discord would be sleeping
gusty geode
F
ashen warren
Dev tiebreaker time
gusty geode
Just checked the SIS poll and it now rules in favor of keeping them
But apparently it may have been botted
I just checked out of curiosity
Got here from talking about how the new star poll should only go through if there's an overwhelming majority
Raising the send threshold from 90 to 120
Yeah
lilac mountain
So diamond walker, no
sand umbra
currently, a suggestion has to receive 90 star (⭐) reactions or more before it is guaranteed to be delivered to the dev server
due to the increasing population of the server and the obscene amount of delivered suggs lately, Rover and friends believe it's high time for an increase to the threshold
the new requirement is proposed to be 120 star reactions
gusty geode
So
We just gonna ignore the new results of the SIS poll
No solid proof it was botted
But I imagine the rule's been in place for too long to go back now anyway
So
runic heath
SIS are mostly dumb anyways so like why
queen sail
”Add in my Patreon item for free pls”
gusty geode
Yeah
Definitely too late to go back
frail mantle
<><><><>
frail mantle
gusty geode
Curiosity makes you do things
opal barn
but muh sugmas
swift bison
SIS suggs are now locked behind a 50$ paywall
brittle nexus
suggests for a patreon item once a month
ashen warren
breaking news, banning self-centred specific items forces people to think about making suggestions for the benefit of the mod
tired haven
self-centered benefit* 
But we are getting there
gusty geode
Tbh if I did decide to make a fuss about it
It'd be more because I'd want the most up-to-date results of the poll enforced
Than the SISs themselves
Got no ideas anyway, why would it matter to me 
ashen warren
i mean, basically every dev and staff unanimously agreed that specific item sugmas should die and im pretty sure there were public polls for reviving #offtopic with lots of yes votes but
bitter drift
wait is the law that bans weapon suggestion removed?
gusty geode
Doubt it
Just noticed that the poll that resulted in it says that it shouldn't have happened now
queen sail
If a suggestion needs 120 stars instead of 90 stars to get sent
bitter drift
not what was i talking about
terse sundial
may I remind you that it increased from 60 to 90 last time
terse sundial
yes but that was a different time when the server had 30K less people in it
bitter drift
terse sundial
this server has doubled in size since the last time the star req increased
bitter drift
that was what i was talking about @queen sail
oh god
soon enough calamity will have more people then terraria
sand umbra
bitter drift
frail mantle
doubt
sand umbra
big chungus server size
tired haven
queen sail
Thomas is now a part of Crab’s Cringe Compilation
bitter drift
queen sail
tired haven
The "soon" part
Because torroro and calamity were like 50/30 and now it's... 250/50 I think?
terse sundial
@swift bison
1: You ask for wiki contirb, not editor
2: That's kinda how it works already, you just ask one of us to retrieve something from spriting and art
bitter drift
but did you see what poll was i talking about Kirby?
sand umbra
but how do we know what's in spriting and art
opal barn
you ask
sand umbra
terse sundial
people who used to be active in that channel may want something from it
bitter drift
i just today finished my water bolt sprite thanks to the art server
terse sundial
plus that channel is almost 2 years archived at this point
hollow idol
What if I want a lot of things from it smh
gusty geode
I don't see why not personally
Could also bring back the off-topics as read-only so people can see why they don't exist today
hollow idol
those were deleted
ashen warren
Imagine archiving a pile of shit
gusty geode
As a warning to future generations or something
hollow idol
but really there is no harm in this suggestion
tired haven
Weird question: is it my bias or a lot of suggestions are overly dramatical including that one about slurper?
swift bison
THe problem with how it works now is not everyone is specifically aware of what they are looking for
ashen warren
Slurper Pole is a drop of BC enemies
bitter drift
ya at least make it a good sell
gusty geode
Read something about being dramatic getting more attention and/or emphasizing points
ashen warren
I didn’t think it was dramatic.
Then again I also got the dramatic comment from Crab so I’d be the guilty pardoning himself
(In reference to the art server thing?)
bitter drift
and i said this thing drops WAY TOO MUCH
sand umbra
if it drops WAY TOO MUCH it shouldn't have a lotta value
ashen warren
if the Fishing Pole is easy to obtain, then it's not necesary to sell
sand umbra
considering you massacre the fuck out of these enemies around Brimbo-tier and post-Provi
sinful violet
auto trash momentum
sand umbra