Calm your tits already
#suggestions-discussion
lost agate
zealous ridge
sand umbra
...I need to go before I say something I know I'll regret
ashen warren
Then, alright. What about an RNG boss rush with just the bosses?
hollow shell
(I am a dev, if that makes you happy)
ashen warren
As in, boss difficulty and order being randomized.
lost agate
Why have such heated arguments for smth that no one knows if its even gonna be sent?
hollow shell
Also very hard
ashen warren
How hard was the actual boss rush to program?
lost agate
H
hollow shell
Because you'd need to have stats for every boss in every possible order/position
queen sail
It sucks but it happens
hollow shell
A QB at the beginning would need to be weaker than a QB at the end
lost agate
Ah well i tried
hollow shell
and we need to balance for all possibilites
zealous ridge
Yeah it’s all good, I think we’re all still friends here
ashen warren
QB?
hollow shell
Queen Bee
ashen warren
No worries.
zealous ridge
If I’m honest I know where you’re coming from
ashen warren
And excuse me for being stubborn. Not saying I'm gonna stop though, I'm very stubborn.
ashen warren
I also severely hate people saying ''RNG is unenjoyable and no one would like it'' just because of their own personal bias.
It's literally why people have randomizers.
zealous ridge
It’s fine. People like that are the ones who make change, so I don’t feel it’s a bad thing
And yeah, perhaps to clarify
Some people here have a tendency of being... black and white, so to speak
Like either this is a terrible idea or a great idea
And just...
ashen warren
There's literally a Terraria mod that randomized every sprite, drop and enemy.
zealous ridge
Haha yeah
ashen warren
Like.. Squirrels having Skeletron AI.
zealous ridge
RNG isn’t bad inherently, it’s just that the types of RNG described, I feel, would make unfun gameplay situations
But we can disagree on that, it’s cool
ashen warren
Or Lunar Cultists having Worm AI and dropping Megashark on death.
zealous ridge
Yeah there’s fun in that too
ashen warren
There was a video of a guy actually streaming and playing that mod.
Which is what I wanted re-created in Calamity.
ashen warren
Yeah, and saying people don't like chaos and RNG is..
Perhaps the dumbest thing you could say. Especially saying ''chaos is bad''.
Calamity is a hectic, chaotic nightmare by itself.
Fuck, Terraria is very chaotic.
zealous ridge
yeah, I still feel like it adheres to some sort of progression...
It’s interesting, I won’t talk about the design of terraria here though...
ashen warren
If Terraria wasn't ''chaotic'' then Duke Fishron would be as easy to fight as a Cave Spider in Minecraft.
ashen warren
It's why people try to farm Halibut Cannon pre-Adult Wyrm.
zealous ridge
and that kind of recreation would be cool
But... I just don’t feel like calamity mod has to focus on that:”.
You know what I mean?
Like I could see it working well as a stand-alone mod or even an adventure map
ashen warren
I know, and that was part of the thing. It wasn't meant to be a serious addition to the game. Especially when you consider that the mod at one point had a meme boss that had infinite AIs.
zealous ridge
Mm true
ashen warren
Whatever his name was.
zealous ridge
l word
ashen warren
Saying it would be difficult to code is understandable, but then I also don't know specifically how difficult.
low salmon
very
ashen warren
Part of the reason I mentioned Wizard of Legends is because it is severely undermanned.
zealous ridge
Rover I think put it pretty simply
zealous ridge
impressive
void kelp
comparison is the killer of good
ashen warren
They don't even have extra help. They sprited and coded everything itself, and have their own randomized run.
void kelp
slay the spire was also made by two developers but that doesn’t mean that you can expect devs to consistently do the same thing
note that working w your own code is also different from working with something that’s a spaghetti of mess
zealous ridge
Yeah, sure it’s possible, but devs have a lot more on their mind than you’d think
You see that spoiler in mod announcements?
low salmon
Devs of the mod would have to wrestle with Red Code, which is difficult. 
zealous ridge
They’re working on an entire ACID RAIN event
ashen warren
I just joined the server about an hour ago.
wooden wedge
red is one of the devs for terraria
he coded things
and iirc he's a very messy coder
ashen warren
Uh, Acid Rain?
zealous ridge
The point is, it’s gonna take a while to test and code
Not to mention the new boss they plan to add next update
Draedon
That’s gonna be work too
ashen warren
Keep in mind that this is a mod, not a full game itself. When you’re having to make what you want and make it fit within a completely different code, it can be a bit more... yikes.
Do you mean this?
zealous ridge
Fitting an rng boss rush into it all would be difficult
No,
Rain event at the sulphuric sea sea
Right now it’s pretty barebones
But now it has a progress bar
zealous ridge
Ye it’s pretty cool
gusty geode
Rain events don't have progress bars
He's making an invasion
Idk why
But I'm also looking forward to it
zealous ridge
Oh ye should’ve clarified it’s like an invasion now
gusty geode
Rly tho
I thought Fab hated invasions
ashen warren
Did he say Draedon is in the next update?
indigo fog
god
cyan lagoon
@loud cloak soon
versed mica
loud cloak
Potions
cyan lagoon
not literally but you know what i mean
loud cloak
K
cyan lagoon
anyways
ashen warren
?
cyan lagoon
noxus and xeroc
wooden wedge
pins in #calamity-mod-talk
cyan lagoon
but who knows when we'll ever get to em
wooden wedge
@loud cloak you need an actual reason
ashen warren
Are you allowed to suggest items? Not specific items, but..
The thing is, I've noticed there's a very lacking number of ''electric'' based items.
A shit ton of ice, but basically no electricity, which is kind of sad.
frail mantle
if it's non-specific and reasoned well it should be good
buoyant dock
say, do you guys think scal should drop another accessory slot upgrade?
and/or have the shadow spec bars be ingredients in another health upgrades?
hollow shell
@loud cloak You need a more extensive reason for your Ark suggestion than that
left crest
it'd be really cool is not a good reason to suggest, besides it's a near endgame wep as i
ashen warren
Rover, would you think my suggestion is non-specific?
loud cloak
Alright I’ll thing of one
frail mantle
like, if it's more add something to improve this class in this period of time than add this exo uwu sword that fires many projectiles that all home while cooking dinner and establishing communism in Missouri because lol
buoyant dock
like i asked, do you think scal should drop another accessory item and/or have the shadowspec bars craft into another health powerup, given how there are bosses that are planned to be post-scal?
woeful ginkgo
that suggestion about ark needs way more explanation
buoyant dock
i know. i ment as a concept
hearty plaza
arc of the cosmos
hollow shell
thanks
fresh drift
you are very welcome
hollow shell
Ech
woeful ginkgo
OoF
hollow shell
Suggestions regarding future content isn't really allowed
fresh drift
especially dev stuff iirc
hollow shell
it's in the Don'ts doc
queen sail
useless after scal
frail mantle
also pre-SCal weapons becoming kinda bad post-SCal is pretty normal and should be expected tbh
queen sail
refers to literally the best melee weapon the mod has
fresh drift
galaxy brain
hollow shell
I'm not sure I agree with Ermin's generalization and that's kind of a pretty grand scope suggestion
dusty stirrup
Pretty sure Magic's either the most varied class or atleast a top contender
dusty stirrup
One tier you're using a magic frog that shoots bubbles with special behaviour along with homing plankton and the next you're using a book that shoots serpents that follow your cursor
polar dock
How many stars u need to get the dev's to decide on sugg
zealous ridge
90
ashen warren
Thing is @hollow shell all of them kind of do the same thing.
polar dock
Lmao go star mine
zealous ridge
i personally disagree
oh i see what you mean
ah, now we're talking about a different thing here
yes, all the spells inflict damage and debuffs
ashen warren
But I also do think spells look a bit the same. Some of them, not all.
zealous ridge
but you're asking for like... something akin to healer or bard?
ashen warren
No, there's no reason to have healing spells.
zealous ridge
just an example from another mod
opal barn
So lifesteal
ashen warren
Or a spell that pacifies enemies.
dusty stirrup
ashen warren
Pacifies enemies, or turns them against each other.
There's a debuff in Warframe called Radiation.
zealous ridge
thorium has that too
ashen warren
Proccing it makes enemies confused and they attack each other.
fresh drift
as someone who has made mods, i can tell you how ridiculously hard that would be
youd need to rewrite the AI for every enemy in the game
dusty stirrup
^
ashen warren
Man.
vocal grotto
It wouldn't be feasible with other mods
fresh drift
yeah
zealous ridge
yeah, it sucks but spagetti makes things hard
ashen warren
One suggestion is a mini-black hole.
Something that provides other things beyond just damage.
zealous ridge
i mean, for that you have standalone items
that's at least how i think terraria handles it
ashen warren
It sucks enemies together, and then explodes.
zealous ridge
doesnt that do damage
fresh drift
that is possible to do, but if you want that item then suggest that item and not a magic rework
dusty stirrup
Quasar already exists and it's memey as fuck
ashen warren
Which is utility, by making it a really great horde spell.
dusty stirrup
Said blackhole wouldn't be different
zealous ridge
i can see some spells being utility-based
fresh drift
its been a while since i played, whats the quasar
zealous ridge
but i dont want that to be reserved for mage, if you know what i mean
dusty stirrup
fresh drift
thancs
ashen warren
But Quasar is already reserved for rogues.
fresh drift
well then by your logic we should have a ranged, summoner and melee quasar as well
dusty stirrup
If it considered as utility, class doesn't matter
zealous ridge
yeah, but i just mean other items that serve the same purpose
ashen warren
I really just want more spells that aren't just strictly for damage dealing. The reason I didn't start bringing up specific spells and ideas is because it's a don't.
But I could make a Wordpad and start making up new spells.
dusty stirrup
Then leave it at that and it might happen
zealous ridge
yeah, i write up documents of my ideas on my own time
its a common thing for some ppl on the server
its just that suggesting them directly can clog the chat
gray nebula
I'm not sure if suggestions of this scope are allowed
zealous ridge
in refferal to?
gray nebula
And it also sounds kinda specific
zealous ridge
just to clarify
gray nebula
To the suggestion that just got posted
zealous ridge
minibiomes stuff?
gray nebula
Yes
zealous ridge
aight, i can see that
prime elbow
I guess
dusty stirrup
Can I ask the reason someone wouldn't go out of their way to explore if they decide to add such a huge mod
prime elbow
I tried to make it a bit less specific
gray nebula
There's already stuff that's planned for content outside of bossez
(refer to the spoiler in #mod-announcements
zealous ridge
i think there are a lot of ways to shorten it up and make it less of a screen hog
fullscreen on my monitor takes up like 85% of the chat
and cutting out some of the banter could help this suggestion be a bit more reasonable
like the talk about enemies and events isn't really the point of the suggestion
you say it yourself in the suggestion: "ranting"
and i dont mean to say it in a rude way, but i think some proper formatting and length cut-outs would make this thing less of a beast
hope that was helpful lmao
queen sail
I come back to the largest suggestion in the history of this server what is this
zealous ridge
queen sail
Also how would this be worthwhile
Or contribute to the wellbeing of the mod for that matter
zealous ridge
i absolutely disagree that this is the largest suggestion in the history of this server
dusty stirrup
Apparently it would be meaningful to people that can't be bothered to explore
zealous ridge
and like, i dont think its not worthwhile or wouldnt contribute
its just really long and ranty rn
that's what i feel could be changed, at least
oh, he changed into a text file
well, at least it doesnt take up as much space now, so thank you
prime elbow
no problem
polar dock
Well I mean
quick ice
Rather than adding new “Minibiomes” they should expand the existing underground minibiomes
dusty stirrup
The suggestion itself hasn't been improved but atleast it doesn't take as much space ig
polar dock
No ones gonna go through the effort to download a sugg and read through it even if its good
quick ice
Adding content to the granite and marble caves alongside the spider nest would be nice, and if you really wanna encourage more exploration stuff such as random brimstone crag locations in the Underworld or adding ruined huts to the Sunken Sea would allow for exploration of Calamities biomes
dusty stirrup
tbf granite and marble are really meh atm, to the point I would rather not encounter them than actually do see them
quick ice
That’s why they should get expanded
dusty stirrup
They really don't offer much aside from looking kinda cool
raven plover
but early game you get the Magna Cannon and the Opal Striker so they're good for that
quick ice
They don’t, but they provide some change in scenery when compared to the Normal Underground which only had gemstone caverns, ruined huts and traps
dusty stirrup
If they're useful for literally only one weapon, I don't consider them really worth encountering
fresh drift
granite and marble are a little sparse, and i would say calamity could take advantage of that
queen sail
Granite and Marble is peak Relogic shortsightedness
indigo fog
Granite and marble currently only exist to clutter up my inventory
raven plover
those 2 weapons are 2 of the best weapons early game tbf, but yeah they really don't do much other than make those weapons
fresh drift
granite generation code kinda ech too
it takes so much longer than marble
for some reason
dusty stirrup
Pretty sure they've only been added to make the 1.3 update look cooler
quick ice
“4%”
hallow kraken
chain
queen sail
Granite doesn’t even get anything significant (besides a helmet)
hallow kraken
AND SIS
indigo fog
Specific item suggestion
quick ice
Unless you’re seriously counting each furniture item (which still doesn’t add much to their content) the biomes have about 8 unique items combined
hallow kraken
That’s two broken rules for one!
hallow kraken
When will they read the pins?
queen sail
You have failed the vibe check test
hallow kraken
Also, adding on to a suggestion isn’t allowed
dusty stirrup
TLDR: I think the already existing minibiomes should be improved upon and made worthy of encountering before calamity even considers making new minibiomes
quick ice
Hallow and Underworld also desperately need new content
dusty stirrup
Very much so
hallow kraken
Let’s be real, if it weren’t for fishron, beach would be a minibiome
dusty stirrup
Underworld's in a better spot especially since it has the most important progression boss i nthe game
raven plover
but... Fishron is fought in the Ocean
quick ice
The only relevant stuff Calamity adds to them is Profaned Stuff and Signus for underworld, which don’t feel like actual underworld content
Underworld is good for Pre-HM, but has almost nothing in Hardmode
raven plover
meanwhile Hallow has nothing for HM except Souls and Crystal Shards
quick ice
It has an enemy which was added to give players an out of crags drop for Chaos Essence and the 2 Vanilla post-Mech Enemies
hallow kraken
A lot more than the grand “nothing” of beach for most of the game
prime elbow
I have some fortran code lying around for an extremely fast worldgen algorithm for a roguelike I am making for a school project. It generates a 64x64, but could be a reference if you want a fast way to generate a bunch of interconnected lumps.
dusty stirrup
What is this directed at exactly
quick ice
I think you’re in the wrong channel bud
prime elbow
for a minibiome
dusty stirrup
The generation code itself isn't problematic
prime elbow
but my interconnected lumps
quick ice
The calamity dev team is perfectly capable of making a mini-biome considering that they’ve made 4 biomes with custom generation
prime elbow
but they take <1 second to generate 100 64x64s with checking if its pathable by the player
quick ice
But it doesn’t make sense as to why they would when there are already existing mini-biomes that need to be made into something worth exploring
dusty stirrup
I'm starting to feel like you made that suggestion just to get the dev team to use your program, but I hope that wasn't the case
prime elbow
no
dusty stirrup
Then stop trying to get them to use it
prime elbow
If they have some code already to make their lives easier, that might make the chances of this suggestion being implemented go above 0
since its such a massive suggestion
dusty stirrup
What'd I just say
zealous ridge
so you are trying to sell it to them
and no, not literally sell
i mean like sell them on the program
ashen warren
make the chances of this suggestion being implemented go above 0
you can easily make the suggestion chance go up by having it be a good suggestion
prime elbow
what would I gain if anyone uses my fortran lumps
dusty stirrup
Then why are you being so pushy about it
dusty stirrup
I never asked about it, you decided to bring it up randomly and I asked what it was directed at and why you brought it up, now this is getting offtopic so this convo can stop
prime elbow
okay
small talon
So overall you want deathmodes approaching effect to not occur during things like goblin armies / anything with a progress bar?
quick ice
Back to more relevant suggestion talk
Yeah bosses not spawning during events is would be great, so that’s a ⭐ from me
polar dock
Well yes but deathmode
Maybe restrict it from mainly old ones army cuz that's the only one that needs full attention?
Instead of all events
indigo fog
All events and invasions shouldn't have bosses spawning
prime elbow
Deathmode is still meant to be fair.
polar dock
It is tho
dusty stirrup
Calamitas spawning during events isn't what I would call fair tbh
raven plover
what I don't find fair about death mode is the lack of accessories relating to weather, but then again the balancing isn't perfect all things considered
quick ice
Death mode is meant to be hard, but bosses spawning during an event leaves you at a disadvantage
polar dock
I think this should only apply to old ones due to having to protect the crystal and not being able to do 2 at once.
quick ice
Cause you’ll have to deal with all of the on-screen enemies and the boss alongside getting the surprise of a boss just being thrown onto you
quick ice
Pirate Invasion or Martian Madness wouldn’t be fun for a random boss to spawn in
indigo fog
Imagine rev+ Skeletron Prime spawning during a hardmode Goblin Army out of nowhere
raven plover
I mean that'd be annoying
quick ice
Those invasions actually have semi-threatening enemies, which alongside a surprise boss lead to a pretty projectile-spam encounter
polar dock
And ur warned that its gonna spawn.
lost agate
Is there like a bool the check if any event is active or do you have to check for every event?
polar dock
So u have time to actually ready urself
polar dock
You can still clearly see a dark red text pop up saying something's approaching
lost agate
Its not about knowing its gonna happen
lost agate
You were already preparing for the event
polar dock
And then gives u a minute
lost agate
Why do you need to re prepare
polar dock
You dont
lost agate
I dont see a reason for this sugg to not get in
lost agate
sigh
prime elbow
If you wan't that to happen, use masoEX
indigo fog
that doesn't mean it shouldn't be fair
lost agate
The fact its death mode doesnt mean it cant be adjusted to be more fair
ashen warren
loo
lost agate
Hard != Unfair
indigo fog
Death mode isn't made to piss you off, it's a challenge
polar dock
Exactly
prime elbow
You can cheese it, but why would you be playing deathmode if you're just going to cheese it
lost agate
Maso is also balls hard but its also adjusted to feel fair
indigo fog
^
polar dock
This isnt about masomode
lost agate
But its a fair comparison
polar dock
Well yea
lost agate
Exactly
polar dock
I dont see why you cant just
lost agate
In maso you can probably deal with the boss because the gear is past tier
polar dock
Take ur focus off the event for a second to actually kill the boss
Y have u ever played maso?
lost agate
I am doing that right now so yes
polar dock
It's harder than death in bosses.
lost agate
So what
dusty stirrup
Calamity already gives you the option to cheese stuff so why would a midly obscure cheese would be so game breaking in order to make the difficulty mode feel more fair
polar dock
Even with hard mode armor stuff like wof can easily screw u oger
lost agate
Wof doesnt even spawn naturally
dusty stirrup
Maso also makes you stronger so it evens out anyway
lost agate
Only happens if a vodoo demon sets on fire
polar dock
I'm using it as an example
dusty stirrup
Bosses you kill generally give you accs that make you immune to debuffs they give so hahueea
polar dock
Not exactly
lost agate
Yes, beating a boss basically makes it more manageable for the next try inmediately
KS doesnt slow you down, eoc doesnt make you shoot non stop
Yada yada
polar dock
If you have post brain of cthulu armor you arent going to be immune to ichor.
lost agate
I just fail to understand why adding a simple condition to random spawns is so debatable
Its just
polar dock
I'm fine with it being added to ooa
quick ice
It’s good for any event
indigo fog
Why not inasions?
lost agate
If (whatever event is active)
Dont do random spawn
polar dock
Because you can still kill the random spawn.
quick ice
Once the boss spawns, every enemy from the invasion you were in is still a threat to you
dusty stirrup
I can see this convo's going nowhere at this point so ima ask for it to stop
polar dock
It's not like evasions need to be top priority
dusty stirrup
The same things are being repeated over and over
lost agate
Good idea phup
quick ice
Alright, that’s fine by me
dusty stirrup
Thank you
polar dock
K
quick ice
Are world-gen suggestions frowned upon?
dusty stirrup
Not really, unless they're awfully specific
quick ice
Alright, cool
ashen warren
Fire it here first
lost agate
Go for it yeah
tired haven
don't forget that high work suggestions ARE frowned upon 
polar dock
My goal for every sugg I do is to get above 69 stars
Currently the one I did on mimics dropping shrine items is at like 77 stars
quick ice
Add some sort of structure(s) to the Sunken Seas:
I won’t go into the nitty-gritty specifics of what this structure would be, but adding a structure here would help encourage some exploration in the Sunken Sea. Currently, the Sunken Sea is just a series of underground desert like caves filled with water and some new blocks, which doesn’t actually encourage the player to explore the biome at all.
Along with that, doing so would make sense from a lore perspective. The brimstone crag was also a city in Calamity lore that was destroyed by Calamitas, so adding (just an example) some destroyed huts to the Sunken Sea wouldn’t be out of place
polar dock
Well I mean
versed tundra
there are structures
raven plover
sure, maybe with some loot as well
versed tundra
and the shrine of the underground desert
polar dock
The encouragement IS that there are houses that have loot
And post polterghast drops
Its like
karmic stone
Sunken Sea /=/ Abyss
polar dock
Necessary to go to the abyss
polar dock
You mean the beach part?
quick ice
karmic stone
[[Sunken Sea]]
red stormBOT
indigo fog
this is about the sunken sea
versed tundra
yes, but no cheese said a sugg for the sulph.sea would be a good idea
I was answering
indigo fog
oh then nevermind
quick ice
I’m making a suggestion here about adding structures to the Sunken sea, so if you could all critique that idea I’d appreciate it
indigo fog
Where exactly would you add these structures
versed tundra
I don't thing the sunken see needs more stuff: it has unique enemies, the best music box for your base, an armor set, a furniture set, a miniboss and some unique terrain generation to present it's ore.
quick ice
That would entirely depend on what kind of structure Calamity is interested in adding
versed tundra
I don't see the point of structures for structure sake
lost agate
Some chests would be nice at least
quick ice
It’s not for structures sake, it’s for the sake of encouraging exploration in the biome
lost agate
Cuz all you do in sunken sea can be accomplished with only visiting a part of the biome
prime elbow
sunken sea is good, but its very out of the way
versed tundra
it's not that big anyway
lost agate
Then 3-4 chests with interesting loot wouldnt hurt
prime elbow
you arent likely to find it if you don't know what you are looking for
lost agate
I mean, the status message does kinda hint it
quick ice
I’d be fine with just some chests being added since it encourages exploration of the biome
prime elbow
I guess
versed tundra
Chests with what?
versed tundra
which items?
prime elbow
some of them
quick ice
Cause like Y stated, you can get everything the Sunken sea has to offer by just going into a small part of the biome
zealous ridge
could have vanilla stuff or new items, i think anything could work
indigo fog
Unique new items can work so that you actually want to find those chests
zealous ridge
heck, calamity already existing
versed tundra
Vanilla stuff would undermine the challenge needed to haul them
zealous ridge
items i mean
lost agate
Unique items would be neat
And it would really encourage exploring if the items are decent
zealous ridge
torrential tear
versed tundra
yep but there's already a lot of weapons in the biome at the time you beat desert scourge and the clam
indigo fog
It shouldn't be items you can already get through fishing
lost agate
Even just smth like prism back pet would be good enough
quick ice
Yeah, and if a structure was implemented it’d help to add to the idea that there was once a kingdom in the Sunken Sea before Calamitas evaporated the whole ocean
lost agate
Mhm
versed tundra
@quick ice Like... Atlantis?
indigo fog
Fiberglass can be found in crates too
quick ice
Navy Fishing Rod and Torrential Tear would be nice, and then just a pet item and another accessory would be enough to encourage searching through most of the biome
zealous ridge
fair but a lot of things can be found in crates and that doesnt discourage people from finding fiberglass in jungle shrines right?
lost agate
i never got one from a shrine
indigo fog
You can easily fish for crates and i'd rather do that than go looking for it
lost agate
just my luck
zealous ridge
yeah its rare lmao
quick ice
@versed tundra the Sunken Sea is stated in calamity lore (Amidias lore specifically) to have once been Amidias kingdom
versed tundra
fiberglass sucks a little when you can get the mechanical rod from beating skeletron
zealous ridge
well if that's the case than a whole lot of items are kind of not worth exploring for
im not talking about the quality of fiberglass as an item, that wasnt my point
i was just saying it was a precedent for navy fishing rod being found in chests
but yeah
i personally felt that navy fishing rod being crafted was a bit... odd imo
indigo fog
The suggestion can be edited to add chests instead of structures because that would need more work and chests still encourage the player to explore it
zealous ridge
structures is pretty broad
it could be like... as big as an ivy shrine
or not, they could be full on unique houses
i think it can be interpreted a few ways
quick ice
Alright, I’ll post the suggestion to be about adding chests to the biome rather than structures
Thanks for the feedback
indigo fog
Also add that the items should be exclusive to the chests to encourage the player to actually look for it instead of getting it by a different method
zealous ridge
also, i like the suggestion izzy
i thought that's how it worked???
how does it work right now?
karmic stone
Make the double (or quadruple jumps) come out first, and then you gain control over your flight.
Isn't that how it works or am I tripping
indigo fog
I thought that too
indigo fog
I was fighting SG and that was what happened with bundle of baloons
ashen warren
It doesn't. @karmic stone
indigo fog
what does it do then
ashen warren
It just..somehow restricts you from flying. It's very awkward. And no, I don't have Defiled Rune activated.
raven plover
right now, doesn't it use the wings, use the double jump then use what is left of the wings?
might be wrong
hollow idol
I thought it jumps first then wings
raven plover
I think it might jump then use wings
hollow idol
maybe you didnt jump enough
small talon
It does jump first then wings
zealous ridge
it does jumps first than wings
raven plover
but you have to hit space multiple times so it is awkward
wooden wedge
this IS how it works though, jumps -> wings
small talon
If you have a cloud effect, you cannot fly until u use the cloud jump
zealous ridge
i feel like making it auto activate would take away from the feeling of it
ashen warren
So it's the fucking cloud jump?
small talon
And since the cloud Jump always comes last in the jump cycle, all jumps must be used before flight can start
ashen warren
You'd think having multiple accessories that boosts your air mobility would be fun, but it's so awkward.
indigo fog
I tested it and that's how it works
ashen warren
I never have Defiled Rune activated. Having quadruple balloons and cloud jump w/ wings is so horribly awkward.
small talon
The BoB cloud jump really makes Moab not as good as it could be
ashen warren
It feels like my wings just never come out.
raven plover
I would use MOAB, but I don't purely because of that effect
indigo fog
and don't combine extra jumps with wings. use one or the other
small talon
Just use a macro so it instantly uses all the jumps immediately after jumping
ashen warren
Why not both?
small talon
Alternatively, they could make toggling visibility on the Moab / BoB toggle the cloud jump, but keep the other jumps
indigo fog
Give another option to let the Siren pet move normally outside of liquids
Reason: The Leviathan lore item is a terrible option for this currently because outside of liquids you get -10% DR and -20 defense, making it honestly a bad lore item, knowing that its only other bonuses are a 5% health boost to the Siren's Heart, which is a rev+ only item, and a free spelunker effect when spelunker potions are super easy to get at that point and I can just craft a Chaos Amulet. A downside like that seriously outweighs its small bonuses. I want to at least have another option to let my Siren pet move around normally without a giant loss that reminds me of the Reaper Tooth Necklace or Dimensional Soul artifact, while giving no other bonuses I actually care about.
I just don't know what this extra option should be.
hollow shell
@prime elbow Don't post txts. Post Google Docs instead, so people don't need to download anything
Also biome suggestions arent allowed, and specific suggestions if this variety are discouraged, so this is pushing it
prime elbow
sorry.
ashen warren
That never happens to me. That's weird.
karmic stone
This weird yea
ashen warren
What am I doing wrong? I'm gonna have to actually try that.
indigo fog
this happened for me when i tested it too
indigo fog
what accessories do you have
ashen warren
Harpy Wings, Spectre Boots, Permafrost's Concoction and Heart of Darkness.
No more balloons.
wooden wedge
are you really sure you don't have defiled on? test by turning it off and on and jumping
karmic stone
I tried with DRune and it looked exactly how you described it
wooden wedge
"Your soul is yours once more..." is the message that plays in the chat when you turn it off
why is sunken sea bolded?
quick ice
when I made the suggestion earlier, a bunch of people confused it with the Abyss/Sulphurous Sea
I'm making sure that kind of mistake won't happen again
indigo fog
here's my test, they should both work completely fine together
I don't see the issue
swift wadi
holy shit star of deso and weapon out wtf
karmic stone
Sans
So basically it's an issue on your side
ashen warren
I was hoping that there could an an autojump config option. As it currently is, using the MOAB means I have to slam my spacebar in rapidly in order to be able to rise as fast as I want to.
sand umbra
Whenever I do that, my wings just flap once.
And then never flap again.
...you're supposed to press jump more times to activate the extra jump(s) before you can fly
._ .
pressing jump just once with double jump(s) and wings causes neither to proc because you haven't exhausted your jumps and you're not pressing jump more to cause the extra jumps in the first place
this is a vanilla Terraria mechanic that would almost certainly require IL editing to change
and personally I don't see the point of "fixing" something that. isn't broken in the first place .-.
wooden wedge
they either forgot the spacebar existed or forgot about defiled
and they haven't come back here
sand umbra
Jesus Christ this channel duet's giving me a headache today
wooden wedge
channel duet?
ashen warren
Yea
sand umbra
because it's a vanilla thing
if you jump with wings and have double jumps you do not get your flight
you get your slow fall but the wings won't give you flight time
wooden wedge
no?
sand umbra
because the double jumps are supposed to be proc'd first
wooden wedge
the wings do have flight time I thought
sand umbra
only after your jumps are exhausted do you get flight time
wooden wedge
oh nevermind
sand umbra
if you'd have let me finish--
ashen warren
Thomas has had enough shit today
sand umbra
I have, in fact, had quite enough of this channel today
I'm back here anyway because I have very few other productive places to be ig
lost agate
Mood
wooden wedge
if the channel is pain for you to be in you should probably mute it
sand umbra
I am one of the more frequent suggestors around these parts
I may not be happy about recent developments but that won't stop me from trying to push changes that I think will help the mod 
wooden wedge
I'd rather not
zealous ridge
it can be tiring sometimes, im sure thomas knows that
like, this stuff takes time to consider
sand umbra
which leads to why I don't mute this channel, because I prefer to actually talk about my suggs before even posting them 
trust me, if I didn't suggest stuff as often as I do this channel would be off the fucking radar to me by now
lost agate
Then theres times where a 5 minutes convo gets dragged on to an hour
zealous ridge
that is true
ashen warren
Some things I wish people knew not to suggest... especially because it’s in the channel rules.
sand umbra
randomized BR convo that should've lasted 3-5 minutes but instead went on for the better part of an hour intensifies
ashen warren
I don’t need the vietnam flashbacks
wooden wedge
I mean there's no real way to force people to read the rules
zealous ridge
keep the convos on track
wooden wedge
even if you put read pins in the channel name
sand umbra
in any event, I suppose i should mention something sugg-related
......I feel like I came here to suggest something but I don't remember what
zealous ridge
lmao
ashen warren
zealous ridge
ill give you time to think about it, i wanted to ask how people would feel about elemental excalibur changes
sand umbra
lemme dig something out of my list of EE Plans™️ that I won't miss having control over...
zealous ridge
unless you're ready right now...
uh, ill wait
i feel like the sugg chat has been way more active as of late
ashen warren
I like chattin in sugg over trying to find room in the perpetually crowded #calamity-mod-talk
zealous ridge
yeah thats why i feel like discussion in there will be really scattered and confused
just really distracted
anyways
uh... okay so elemental excalibur
ashen warren
zealous ridge
is this thing considered a dev weapon?
ashen warren
I think it’s a pay tribute to the thing that inspired calamity weapon
ashen warren
I never got to play Avalon. :c
zealous ridge
but yeah, it is, i guess, a tribute weapon
in the same way... soul edge is i guess
as a reference to exxo avalon
ashen warren
Azathoth reminds me of Berserker Nightmare
zealous ridge
ye
anyways i was asking because i wanted to suggest something for it
and idk if it would fall under the "its a dev weapon" schtick
ashen warren
I bet the wiki would tell you
zealous ridge
well i mean, the wiki just says its dedicated to blah
ashen warren
It’s a dedicated weapon, but not labeled as a dev’s personal weapon. Tho the pins say something about not suggesting things to do with Shadowspec bar iirc
sand umbra
okay so I have it narrowed down to
- Bat Hook becoming a drop from Vampires instead of a Goodie Bag item
- giving Inferna Cutter the Axe of Purity Treatment™️
- buffing Gravity Globe and moving it back to Expert, and making Suspicious Looking Tentacle a rare-ish drop from ML in the vein of other boss pet drops e.g. Seedling, Eater's Bone
which one do I write a cool and thought-out sugg on 
potent veldt
Bat Hook memes
ashen warren
Bat Hook memes
potent veldt
Can I please address this Sunken Sea suggestion
sand umbra
Bat Hook memes it is
ashen warren
Go for it
potent veldt
Why is it so bolded
sand umbra
assess that SUNKEN SEA (SUNKEN SEA) sugg as you wish while I write out this sugg
ashen warren
I don’t know why in the SUNKEN SEA it’s so bold
potent veldt
Fair enough
ashen warren
Makes sense
sand umbra
Move the Bat Hook to an actually well-defined place in the game (for example, as a drop from Vampires during the Solar Eclipse) and remove it from Goodie Bag drop tables.
❔
This thing is quite easy to obtain even in the early game (bonus points if the player has a mod which can cause the Halloween season, which common QoL mods such as Reduced Grinding and Fargo's Mutant allow), is fantastically powerful for its tier, and essentially renders every other hook at its tier irrelevant. Might be a good idea to at least move it a bit later in progression so some lesser-appreciated hooks (e.g. Slime Hook, Skeletron Hand) can receive some much-needed attention. Would also help to smooth out hook progression a little more.
wary canyon
I like this minibiomes suggestion
sand umbra
on today's episode of "Bats! (MLP, Season 4, Episode 7)"
thoughts?
indigo fog
It seems good, i'd post it
sand umbra
alright, gonna wait a few minutes and then fire
as usual, any objections, speak now 
and no, "but muh early-game epic gamer hook of yessing to a block at lightspeeds" is not a valid objection
ashen warren
I’m kind worried that at that point Bat Hook will be outclassed and at that point it basically reverses the issue
zealous ridge
remove it from goodie bags? interesting...
i wonder if that would be difficult to do?
indigo fog
How rare would the drop chance be?
sand umbra
not Halibut Cannon levels of rare
obviously
but definitely rare enough to where you'd likely have to go out of your way to get it
zealous ridge
alright so its a pretty big grind if you want it
sand umbra
ye
zealous ridge
so considering its accessible any place in hardmode
sand umbra
remember: Bat Hook anomalously pulls in the user faster than other hooks by default and that fact causes it to outclass just about every hook obtainable after it up until Lunar as far as mobility is concerned
and on top of that, its raw stats match the Spooky Hook digit for digit
zealous ridge
i would go a different way of doing it
sure you can get an eclipse at any time, making rare drop chances nessecary
sand umbra
I wish it were at least something I knew how to fix, but I've looked through vanilla source and I've found nothing relating to Bat Hook
ashen warren
Weird...
ashen warren
Watch it be a glitch
sand umbra
well, nothing that doesn't apply to other hooks, anyway
zealous ridge
but considering how uncommon vampires actually are, i feel like i would make it post plant from vampires with a higher chance
sand umbra
there are literally three post-Plantera hooks already
zealous ridge
oh shit
sand umbra
in fact, that is the exact reason I excluded "post-Plantera"
zealous ridge
well christmas spooky and thorn are like literally the same
quick ice
I can remove the bolding from Sunken Sea if y'all think it's an issue, but I didn't wanna deal with more people confusing it for the Abyss
radiant meadow
Thorn is weaker
sand umbra
post-Plantera already grants Thorn, Spooky, and Festive
zealous ridge
im actually not sure of that exactly but they feel very similar
radiant meadow
Thorn is the same stats as biome mimic hooks
zealous ridge
ah, okay
radiant meadow
I suspect it was originally a jungle mimic drop
zealous ridge
guess that was where seedler came from too
sand umbra
Thorn Hook buff when iirc
ashen warren
and most of Plant’s drops
quick ice
what if Calamity implements the Jungle Mimic?
gusty geode
Regarding the bat hook
Iirc the tradeoff for being so good was that it was only available at certain times of the year
Just like the Candy Cane pick and sword, iirc those were really good for their tier too
Problem is that's all invalidated by QoL mods
zealous ridge
funnily enough candy cane hook is not on par with bat
sand umbra
byeah
zealous ridge
i always thought that was a funny turn of events
hollow shell
The Well Fed industry is completely decimated if you're playing during the Christmas season
sand umbra
Candy Cane is also a seasonal exclusive and while the grab bag is a fair bit more common it has a lower chance from that bag than Bat does from Goodie Bags
and yet Candy Cane sucks
sand umbra
pumpkin pie literally decimates the food industry
radiant meadow
Also
radiant meadow
How easy is it to modify goodie bag drop rates?
IL editing and dumpster diving sounds quite unappealing to say the least
sand umbra
overriding them is fairly easy, I reckon --- there's a GlobalItem method that can allow you to override vanilla grab bag loot tables
PreOpenVanillaBag
from there I would assume you just replicate the normal drop chances except you cuck Bat Hook's drop out of existence
listen if it works for Treasure Bags I have every reason to believe it can work for shit like Goodie Bags
public override bool PreOpenVanillaBag(string context, Player player, int arg)
{
if (context == "goodieBag")
{
// memes
return false;
}
// other stuff
}```for Presents, context is just "present" instead
zealous ridge
ashen warren
Place the Calamitas lore item in the player’s inventory, then deal 1 damage, whenever Bat Meme is used
zealous ridge
im still stuck on this elemental excalibur thing because i love this weapon
would it be weird to make right click change the mode from shooting projectiles to true melee rather than just do true melee on right click
and why?
ashen warren
Well, if right click actually switched modes like the tootips used to say it did, all weapons would have that instead
zealous ridge
uh well
to start, i feel like the visceral feeling of the weapon is hampered by the fact that true melee doesn't feel as satisfying because its on right click (if yall dont agree with this that's fine)
but also, i feel like there could be a little functionality here, like the color of beams would reset to red when switching to true melee? idk i just wanna know how ppl feel
ashen warren
Personally feel like the beams aren’t really all that good to begin with, but that’s an entire other issue
zealous ridge
i kind of agree
the beams are underwhelming because of their hard to predict effects
ashen warren
I also find that most of the good weapons for endgame are homing so my opinion is invlaid
zealous ridge
technically some of its projectiles do have homing i think
ashen warren
Again, that’s hard to predict though
ashen warren
Like, I tried to melee boss rush and I found Nanoblack Reaper to be by far tho most viable
Which is funny because I thought NBR was meant to be a Rogue weapon moreso
Either way with Elemental Excalbur it’s like, the projectiles are dope and all but with how few they are and how hard they are to hit it’s just like, the damage numbers have to be super high and the boss has to be coming at you for it to really work
zealous ridge
i feel like the elemental excalibur should display primarily on-hit projectile effects rather than changing the properties of the projectile itself before hitting
worthy fiber
Actually we could probably have the bat hook drop from hoodie bags only after a certain boss has been defeated
probably the best solution
sand umbra
...why
radiant meadow
I personally think Bat Hook just shouldn't exist
indigo fog
Give another option to let the Siren pet move normally outside of liquids
Reason: The Leviathan lore item is a terrible option for this currently because outside of liquids you get -10% DR and -20 defense, making it honestly a bad lore item, knowing that its only other bonuses are a 5% health boost to the Siren's Heart, which is a rev+ only item, and a free spelunker effect when Spelunker Potions are super easy to get at that point and I can just craft a Chaos Amulet. Having a downside like that seriously outweighs its small bonuses. I want to at least have another option to let my Siren pet move around normally without a giant loss that reminds me of the Reaper Tooth Necklace or Dimensional Soul artifact, while giving no other bonuses I actually care about.
I just don't know what the extra option should be.
radiant meadow
I nerfed levi lore bad bonuses
indigo fog
to how much
radiant meadow
-8 def and-5% dr
indigo fog
I'd still like a way to have the siren pet move normally out of water without any downside
radiant meadow
I think it was supposed to be opposite of leviathan ambergris
But for a passive lore item, a bit too much
Siren isn't really supposed to float outside of liquids anyways
ashen warren
Wisp exists
indigo fog
Siren is a fish, not a wisp
ashen warren
Yes but both are light pets and they have nearly identical functionality
hollow shell
and by the time you beat Levi you have access to Wisp
indigo fog
Fighting all mech alts (Cryo, Brim, AS) gives you an alternative option to get it and i like that
radiant meadow
I'd rather just follow through with the soul thing I had planned
and remove souls from said 3 bosses
hearty yew
Yeah but I'd still like the treads to contain hallowed bars. They're angel treads. Holy n stuff.
I can add that to the explanation if you want, I guess
indigo fog
I just don't see why it has to be locked behind them
radiant meadow
I don't really mind
I just want to do my soul thing
but we need more post-AS content 
quick ice
"Mechs are post Mechs" is that a typo or...
loud cloak
Why is a dev asking for something. Is there something I’m missing?
loud cloak
That sounds reasonable
queen delta
Also what does "mechs are post-mechs" mean if it isnt a typo?
radiant meadow
dev suggestions usually are a check for community approval, ye
zenith hazel
dead topic but wait, regulus riot is weak?
zenith hazel
it got 4 mins flat when I used it
hearty yew
mechs are balanced for you to have almost all post-mech items available when fighting them due to soul availability + hallowed bars from 1 mech
zenith hazel
that's how the deus drops are balanced
radiant meadow
because I borrowed code from amidias' trident 
hearty yew
soul availability also means you get to have chloro items for 2 mechs of your choice
as such, mechs are post-mechs
e.g. use infernal rift on twins
zenith hazel
the only exception I can think of is maybe star sputter due to ammo
loud cloak
It appears I’ve stumbled into a dev conversation
zenith hazel
so I might need to retest it if it needs a buff
radiant meadow
byeah, I kinda despise the idea of as, brimmy, and cryo giving souls
I dislike this tier breaking
hence, why I really hope we can get some post AS content for 1.4.4
hollow shell
What does that reason mean...?
hollow shell
@hearty yew That could do with a reword. Doesn't make much sense as it is.
and yes, Ben
Also the connection for why Angel Treads should be like Mechs is not given
I'm talkin within the suggestion itself
hearty yew
explanation provided
hollow shell
Thank you
radiant meadow
@fast monolith I'll prevent natural boss spawns during frost moon, pumpkin moon, and old one's army, sound good?
fast monolith
Sounds good to me
indigo fog
What about other invasions
radiant meadow
one, I'm too lazy to find out how to check for them
two, they don't have a time limit so if you die, then
quick ice
You can still just kill 1 mech and 2 alts if you do this
radiant meadow
hence, why I dislike them dropping souls
although I've heard that on the latest update, twins are easier than cryogen
although that might just be from a nohitting standpoint
sand umbra
I wouldn't be too surprised, honestly
though that may just be me not understanding new Cryo at all in some facets
queen delta
twins are definitely easier than cryo from a nohitting standpoint, and with how much damage ice shards do, probably from a non-nohitting standpoint too
quick ice
I don’t see why the mech-boss alts have to be Mech-boss alts honestly, cause Cryogens certainly worth killing either way and it’s not like people are just gonna skip Brimmy or AS if they don’t drop the souls
radiant meadow
I plan to remove the souls
but I'd like to wait until we get some post-AS content
and charred ore gear can just be moved to post brimmy
quick ice
👍🏻 sounds great
Oh yeah, so before I try making a suggestion about this is there a reason that Cultist Assassins are Hardmode enemies?
hes on to me
quick ice
They really aren’t that threatening at all, and their stats are essentially on par with the other Pre-HM drag enemies
radiant meadow
maybe the chaos elemental ai tleeport?
idk
I think it's also so they don't spawn in the dungeon?
why do they spawn in the dungeon? I cannot say
sand umbra
Cultist Assassins confuse me
raven plover
wait so Mech-boss alts will be actual bosses? instead of just random alts people dont do unless they want the drops
that'd be cool
wooden wedge
aren't they already bosses?
sand umbra
mech alts becoming more of their own thing is absolutely something I can get behind
wooden wedge
or full alternatives?
sand umbra
if only because I literally cannot comprehend Brimbo dropping Souls of Fright
raven plover
they are already bosses, but they were created on the idea of being an alternative so yeah
ashen warren
not bad about adding Hallowed Bars for the Angel Treads recipe
radiant meadow
the souls are just color coded
sand umbra
brunga
radiant meadow
souls of might are blue, cryo is blue
souls of sight are green, AS is green
souls of fright are red, brimmy is red
sand umbra
I mean you could've given me an epic speech about how Cryogen's newfound might and that of Permafrost within it, AS' greater intelligence and wisdom, and Brimbo's fierce protection of what remains of her homeland grant them an alternative take on the ideas introduced by the three Mechanical Bosses and the souls they drop
but color-coding works too I guess 
radiant meadow
you think too hard
sand umbra
fair enough
quick ice
wouldnt cryogen be sight since Permafrost and therefore encases a sorcerer of high intelligence within it? Wouldn’t AS be fright since it’s a scary sea-monster? Wouldn’t Brimmy be night since she’s a sad, lonely, depressing thing?
sand umbra
night isn't a mech soul 
admittedly you have to get loose if you wanna go this route for Brimmy in particular
it's honestly kinda hard to attribute her to just any one soul
quick ice
I did night because it’s more accurate for her lol
quick ice
Destroyers an easy kill, he doesn’t need an alt
sand umbra
honestly I'm really excited for post-Brimmy Charred Ore in particular
since it probably means we get more Unholy Core items 
and maybe finally a brimstone-related armor set
quick ice
Oh yeah, charred ore should spawn in that huge chunk of Crag where the 3 special houses spawn
sand umbra
quick ice
The surface of the crag is littered in charred ore and then the deeper part of it has nothing but slag
ashen warren
Ben, Rotom is your dev pet?
radiant meadow
best I could do was replace the furniture in the houses
read the wiki page for the pet
and use your own judgement
ashen warren
on the tooltip says "Thank you, Aloe! Very much appreciated from Ben"
distant gyro
the spoonfed answer is yes, why ask here
lost agate
Mechs are post mech and this should be too
I dont think thats the best tl:dr
Lowkey reading the entire is less confusing
swift wadi
Why does it have a TL:DR it's like 3 lines long
wide flicker
because people are really lazy idk tbh
sand umbra
...actually, in a similar vein to Ozz' sugg
can we assess MOAB and how it's in the exact same situation
hollow shell
Arguably Catastrophe Claymore, Phoenix Blade, and Sun God Staff as well
but those items aren't as significant
nah wait, scratch Catastrophe Claymore
just the latter two.
sand umbra
mhm
MOAB, Phoenix Blade, and Sun God Staff all share the issue that Angel Treads face
hollow shell
but
MOAB's prolly the only other one worth fixing
unless those two weapons are subject to balancing concerns
distant gyro
moab is weird
sand umbra
I'd push for Phoenix Blade being fixed in this fashion if I actually had any record of anyone ever suggesting Phoenix Blade being a viable weapon
distant gyro
I still think only might soul will do for moab and fright soul for phoenix blade
hollow shell
@west ermine I don't really see why that doesn't make sense
If you're uncovered from above (where lightning comes from), then you're still able to get hit by lightning
west ermine
sand umbra
as far as I'm aware, the general early-game implication of being behind a wall is that you are in a cave or have created shelter for yourself
hollow shell
Ah, that makes more sense
I didn't realize that "large space above you" meant just any decently large area, I was thinking it extended into the sky
hollow shell
I think a better check would be if there are background walls where the lightning originates from
so that you're not safe just by placing some walls behind you even when you're completely exposed otherwise
west ermine
I think the lightning bolt spawn like enemies. I doubt there is anyway to check the spawn location of enemies, but checking whether the player is behind a background wall is much easier
And if you can place wall behind you and stand still, you can definitely place a shelter anyway
hollow shell
Nah it doesn't spawn like an enemy, its randomized spawn position is defined before the projectile is created
It wouldn't be too hard to check if there are background tiles where the spawn position is
tawny gyro
can we all agree that Supernova's crafting tree sucks?
hollow shell
You already suggested something about that
tawny gyro
yeah
pliant bone
Maybe a way to test that using that method is to make a world filled with walls using TEdit and see if lightning still strikes
indigo fog
Everclear doesn't even take it that far
And this debuff will make nobody want to even use it
indigo fog
How do you drink it 3 times in 5 minutes when its buff lasts longer than that
It lasts 15 minutes
wait, i read that wrong nevermind
That still doesn't make much sense knowing that no other drink does that
ashen warren
Ehh nevermind this makes no sense i just realised
cosmic jungle
hollow shell
wew
distant gyro
[[Alcohol Poisoning]] exists yea
red stormBOT
hollow shell
Are you gonna delete it or shall I?