Besides, You can place wires to activate blocks
#suggestions-discussion
split narwhal
prime elbow
it doesnt hurt to try
fervent zealot
it does though
indigo fog
I don't think this is really necessary, you'll just die if you go into the temple pre hardmoda
fervent zealot
you can still hammer acuated blocks yknow
split narwhal
There are people who cleared out the jungle just to make the temple able to be hit by meteorites
so they could get in
fervent zealot
and yeah, you really, REALLY can't stop people from breaking into temple early
split narwhal
You can't stop them
prime elbow
just place a chest in the temple. easy.
prime elbow
chests stop meteors
fervent zealot
and yeah ^
why are you even trying to stop it in the first place
who benefits from this
potent veldt
There's no real reason to stop one way to get into the temple without getting rid of all of them
Either none of them, or all of them
prime elbow
no more spear traps prehardmode
fervent zealot
. . . that's it?
split narwhal
How about a temple guardian instead
indigo fog
pretty weak reason
teal ibex
if you can get into the temple and yoink those without dying i think you've earned them tbh
potent veldt
Either stop all of them, or none of them
prime elbow
since people were so offended by my logic gates suggestion
queen delta
^ to hec
potent veldt
Its just a bad suggestion, bud, you gotta face the music
teal ibex
it's a risk reward scenario, if it hurt the balance of prehardmode i think there'd be more to be said but unless the traps are shredding bosses i think it's fine to leave the temple open
split narwhal
People WILL try to get in
potent veldt
It makes more sense to try and stop hoik-ing over this
teal ibex
especially since it can literally generate an open pathway in which is brilliant and extremely terraria
potent veldt
Which will still exist if you stop the platform thing
prime elbow
it gets rid of by far the easiest way to get in, so whats the bad thing?
fervent zealot
hell, you can't really fucking utilize traps until you're post skeletron
split narwhal
There's nothing to be gained besides traps
potent veldt
In fact, if getting supertraps early is the problem, why not just suggest that supertraps have a higher mining power requirement???
split narwhal
and death
fervent zealot
. . dude, it doesn't even get rid of the easiest way to get in
you can hammer acuated blocks to cause them to fuck up and let you walk through the adjascent wall
queen delta
Calm down everyone
prime elbow
oh
split narwhal
You can hoik in from below
fervent zealot
just face it, you absolutely can't stop people from getting in early
prime elbow
then place unactuated blocks around the door then actuated ones
fervent zealot
. . .
queen delta
There's no point in trying and blocking people from entering temple early
split narwhal
Didn't I say you can hoik in from below?
prime elbow
unactuated come hammered
royal yoke
i've had traps spawn out of temple before, it really changes nothing. and that's in regular expert mode
indigo fog
@tropic portal you need a reason for that
split narwhal
potent veldt
@prime elbow I propose that you just make a different suggestion about how "Supertraps should have a higher mining requirement" instead.
fervent zealot
aren't throwing > rogue suggestions also banned and have been literally forever?
zenith hazel
^
potent veldt
They are.
queen delta
The items you get from temple early arent game breaking at all
potent veldt
Because throwing is getting moved to ranger by Terraria itself next update.
So Calamity has no reason to touch them.
royal yoke
yeah, it sucks but to fix they'd have to convert it to an all new class
it'd be a pain
indigo fog
I don't think that suggestion is getting edited or deleted anytime soon
split narwhal
It's literally in the suggestion don'ts
potent veldt
He's typing in the #suggestions-voting channel again, actually
indigo fog
should actually be deleted instead of edited
potent veldt
Whilst playing Minecraft?
royal yoke
what
ashen warren
They have said there won't be any interaction between rogue and throwing
royal yoke
i mean you can do the whole game without using vanilla throwing so there'd be no point
split narwhal
potent veldt
Because nobody reads 
ashen warren
Throwing is...pointless honestly
queen delta
@tropic portal pinging again to let you know to read the pins found on top right corner of your discord app/web browser
royal yoke
calamity rogue is so much better than vanilla thrown stuff
potent veldt
The only reason to touch throwing is grenades
ashen warren
Feels like a class they wanted to make and then bailed on
split narwhal
That's why its getting changed
queen delta
This suggestion is in the don'ts
potent veldt
Bruh
split narwhal
Why tho
indigo fog
they just edited it
fervent zealot
that's not an edit though
zenith hazel
at least edit your original suggestion instead of typing a new one
fervent zealot
that's a second post.
potent veldt
For one, that took 5 minutes to type, apparently
royal yoke
no reason to edit it, vanilla throwing is boring and uninteresting
indigo fog
wait they just posted a new suggestion
tropic portal
sorry im not sure how to add extra lines
indigo fog
you don't need to
potent veldt
The bigger issue is that you haven't read pins.
split narwhal
You say beenades are unviable?
royal yoke
click on the three dots when you hover over a message and click "edit"
sand umbra
vanilla throwing ain't a class, simple as that
it pretends to be one so the devs can look good for removing it from the game because it didn't add much or whatever
queen delta
- Throwing is ignored in Calamity because it's being turned into ranger
- Other mods like thorium already expand throwing so calamity doesn't need to care about throwing
sand umbra
that second one ain't much of an arguing point, but I digress
zenith hazel
which is why it's being thrown away
sand umbra
vanilla throwing is quite literally being thrown into the trash
the devs have treated it horribly from its inception
split narwhal
They changed from ranged to throwing and then back ranged again
indigo fog
Why is throwing becoming ranged when some melee items are thrown
cobalt rose
queen delta
No idea
fervent zealot
such a shame too that the throwing class is the only good throwing item
it deals enough damage to kill a class
queen delta
They definitely shouldve became melee but no ranger doesn't have enough weapons
fervent zealot
melee grenade
melee grenade
royal yoke
throwing was most likely a test to see how it could work, and what better to test it with than thousands of people, who lost interest after a few months
indigo fog
no ranged weapons are thrown
potent veldt
Melee beenades
sand umbra
what's funny is, melee has the most thrown weapons of any class
queen delta
well yeah people lost interest cuz its not even a full class
sand umbra
because every single weapon that could've been in throwing was thrown into there instead
split narwhal
mfw beenades get affected melee speed
sand umbra
we've been over this time and time again
zenith hazel
byeah since the suggestion violates the suggestion don'ts doc, I'm gonna go ahead and delete it
indigo fog
cool
sand umbra
it's always the same simple and harsh truth
the throwers of the vanilla world were beaten before they even realized there was a fight, because there were no accomodations made for them and the devs continued to ignore a class they'd made even well into the territory of being able to change it
and that, friends, is that
royal yoke
what
split narwhal
fargo already does this with a lot of melee weapons so just use that instead
potent veldt
B-But my throwing stans
royal yoke
you could've just said "throwing is worthless and would be awful to continue developing"
sand umbra
now, what's this about the Soma Prime's sound bein' horrible to listen to?
split narwhal
they said it's too LOUD
royal yoke
turn the "sound" option down
sand umbra
now there's somethin' we can fix feasibly
potent veldt
I did.
I have it at 5%.
And it's still louder than the music I have at max volume on the side.
potent veldt
It's the worst weapon noise in the game.
royal yoke
god it's so funny when i have on war pots from reduced grinding i cant stop laughing
split narwhal
Best sound is the human quack of course
royal yoke
dude the "WAH" gets me
potent veldt
I'd honestly enjoy Soma Prime firing off that quack noise rapidly over the noise it uses now
potent veldt
It's like, so loud that it's almost disadvantageous
royal yoke
so ma - so much - so much fucking noise god why
potent veldt
Like, you most likely will miss sound cues because you're firing this thing
ashen warren
If the excuse is to change a setting then you know shiz is broke XD
potent veldt
It's not even a setting issue
ashen warren
Thats my point
royal yoke
i had no idea it was so bad
ashen warren
Arguably the most overrated one as well
split narwhal
Wdym a warframe weapon?
ashen warren
Soma prime is from warframe
split narwhal
there's like 10 warframe weapons
split narwhal
ye
potent veldt
I thought the majority of the Calamity weapon references were Borderlands 2 refs
split narwhal
Wait nvm
ashen warren
Norfleet reminds me of destiny
potent veldt
Norfleet is also BL2
split narwhal
I thought of the wrong thing
ashen warren
Ah
Oooooh. I keep seeing the stars slowly climb on the sound effect sugg. Tryna keep my hopes low
potent veldt
No memes :o)
royal yoke
what.
potent veldt
Get bamboozled
cyan lagoon
don't shitpost in here
indigo fog
^
ashen warren
Speaking of. Hopefully they also change the sound of last prism when journey's end arrives
split narwhal
Keep ontopic please
royal yoke
it was revlative to the conversation though, was literally about soma prime
ashen warren
They being RE
potent veldt
Again, no meming
There's no real reason to meme in here
You can always discuss something without meming
royal yoke
but like, fun?
potent veldt
No fun allowed.
ashen warren
Yharim says no fun
sand umbra
royal yoke
ah yes i laugh now
split narwhal
No need for funny
indigo fog
it's not even funny
split narwhal
This is suggestions not memes
sand umbra
you cannot do the funny
it is i l l e g a l
anywho now that that's out of the way
void kelp
to be real, memes are like.. highkey know when they’re appropros
ashen warren
Yharim doesn't laugh. Calamitas doesn't laugh. Dog doesn't laugh. Why should we be allowed to laugh?
sand umbra
...what were we talking about again 
indigo fog
soma prime
split narwhal
Soma prime being loud
potent veldt
Soma Prime's chainsaw sound effect
sand umbra
fair enough
potent veldt
Unlike the Terraria chainsaws, though, it's just an actual chainsaw sound
ashen warren
Soma Prime. Primed Bleeding Eardrums. Sums it up nicely
potent veldt
If they don't nerf the loudness of the thing, can we at least get a tooltip for the gun that has a warning?
Like, along with the "Inflicts a powerful bleeding effect" tooltip it also says "Inflicts this on your ears as well"
ashen warren
Warning: RIP Headphone Users
indigo fog
we're better off just turning it down
split narwhal
I don't think the sound setting affect it's noise
ashen warren
Loud enough to make Calamitas to go insane.
AGAIN
split narwhal
Only completely turning it off would work
void kelp
sounds can be reduced iirc
potent veldt
I know
plush locust
what will soma prime be without BRRRRRRTTTTT
potent veldt
That's the point of the suggestion
worthy fiber
Bat hook is 
to hook progression
Ideally it would probably be best to make it available somewhere mid-Hardmode or something
indigo fog
That suggestion is just gonna get denied
worthy fiber
It's a seasonal item anyway
indigo fog
imagine having the best hook at the start of the game
it could be a vampire drop
maybe post-plantera or golem
hallow hatch
Or just make a new hook 
indigo fog
make a new hook?
potent veldt
Lol just realized I've made 6 suggestions in one day
I should take a break from Calamity
indigo fog
you made 4
terse sundial
final gorge
oh shit, ill delete it then
indigo fog
final gorge
thank you for telling me
distant gyro
blue-check in semblance to this: https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/667266050131361793
indigo fog
I think there only needs to be a visual indication for defiled rune and armageddon
those are the only ones you turn on and off in the middle of a playthrough
indigo fog
I think making Defiled rune and Armageddon a debuff is the best way to add a visual indication
from what i've heard, adding UI in-game is harder to work with
Umbrellas don't shield lightning
a change like this doesn't make much sense
ashen warren
Hmm... Let me change the suggestion in a way that would make Umbrella more useful, then
indigo fog
Could you post it here before uploading the suggestion
ashen warren
Ok, so during Rain, you will be inflicted with Wet Debuff, this debuff should also make you to get striked by lightning more often. Also standing near a tree should increase the chances of lightning strikes affecting you too, since that makes sense as people are high likely to get hit by lightning if you are wet or standing near a tree.
Also, either equipping the full set of Rain Armor or holding an Umbrella would prevent the Wet Debuff too, as a QoL.
ashen warren
How about this? If you have the Wet Debuff, you will take more damage from Lightning Strikes.
No often strikes
indigo fog
I'm still not sure that's how lightning works
hollow shell
I can see the logic behind it
indigo fog
it has to be realistic for it to work
indigo fog
That might work then
distant gyro
being wet in rain is also a masomode thing
hollow shell
It should be a vanilla thing
ashen warren
Well, the Space suffocation is also a maso thing, isn't it
But overhauled to make it more intense
distant gyro
well, death mode doesn't have suffocation anymore
ashen warren
Oh ok
distant gyro
it's replaced with moon burns and sun burns
indigo fog
Being wet in rain and having it buff up lightning will make it more strong than it already is
imagine building stuff
that'll get pretty annoying
indigo fog
what if you're building an arena
ashen warren
Oh, that is a problem
indigo fog
and just for exploring
you would need to have that umbrella with you at all times
it makes it a necessity
instead of just an upgrade
glass oyster
nerf reaper shark
sweet adder
i like your profile picture altix
hollow shell
Jesus dick, dude
hollow shell
Also like the most specific thing in the world
indigo fog
suggestions aren't supposed to be that much
ashen warren
lightning rod
I tried my best to make Rain in Death more intense and also grant some things that would make the life easier during Rain too.
placid moth
Is it true that being near a tree would increase the chances of being struck
ashen warren
Well, lightnings prioritize trees in most cases, and most lightning strike deaths occurred near trees.
indigo fog
rain honestly doesn't need that many changes
it's fine as it is, other than lightning killing you instantly early game
ashen warren
Ok, so I should suggest things that would reduce the damage you take from lightning like Armors, perhaps.
A New debuff for Rain is unnecessary, I agree
placid moth
I think lightning rod accessories are good enough imo
indigo fog
armor already reduces lightning damage
placid moth
We don't really need other gimmicks with Umbrella or whatnot
indigo fog
Umbrella changes would be fine i guess
zenith hazel
that's suspiciously specific
indigo fog
but all of this is just too much for a single suggestion
placid moth
Ok it's specific, but it's a good change imo
indigo fog
rain doesn't actually need any of it
placid moth
Have something to earth it
indigo fog
this is also kinda chaining different small suggestions in one
placid moth
What
indigo fog
i guess that makes more sense
ashen warren
I am changing my suggestion right now. It will be smaller than it was.
hollow shell
Good
indigo fog
I don't think umbrellas need to be changed
surface chest items aren't meant to be that useful
and it can be a potential lifesaver if you set a hotkey for it while exploring underground
ashen warren
How about just giving one purpose: It prevents the rain attack of Angry Nimbus, but not the lightning strikes or icicles.
indigo fog
That's pretty small
ashen warren
That would be useful, as they are really annoying to deal with if you just want to run away
ashen warren
Hmm... Or maybe it would grant immunity to Wet debuff if you hold it.
If not, then Umbrella will stay the same as it is.
indigo fog
would the wet debuff do anything?
ashen warren
My suggestion will make it so lightning atrikes deal more damage if you are wet.
%25 or %50
indigo fog
there needs to be other ways to get rid of it
ashen warren
Well, I also suggested some things that would make you less likely to get hit by lightning.
Like some Water related Armor or items and Amidias' buff.
Not Rain Armor, as it doesn't make sense.
indigo fog
But imagine getting hit by a 50% stronger lightning bolt
you'd probably die instantly
even 25% is too much
ashen warren
So, then a new debuff is needed, so Wet won't be annoying. And having either Siren's or Fishron's lore would grant immunity to it too
gusty geode
I think that's the point
indigo fog
what
gusty geode
This is supposed to be an inconvenience
Make you think harder about going out in that weather
indigo fog
what if you want to explore
ashen warren
Yeah, that would make sense I guess
indigo fog
pre-skeletron
gusty geode
Well
You don't
Ig
ashen warren
Hmm... Let me think
indigo fog
Lightning is already annoying as it is
gusty geode
Or you risk getting shocked
indigo fog
this is too much even for DM
gusty geode
And again
That's the point
indigo fog
it just annoys you
ashen warren
Maybe a drop from an Ocean enemy that would make you less likely to get hit by lightning?
Obtainable pre-boss
Or maybe is dropped by Flying Fish?
But that is specific still, geez
indigo fog
I'm not just going to wait out rain
gusty geode
It shouldn't be pre-boss imo
You should have to learn to work around the elements instead of just getting something to invalidate them
At least for a little bit
indigo fog
What if i was building an arena
ashen warren
How about after Eye of Cthulhu or Desert Scourge?
Or Amidias sells it after those bosses?
Since he is a sea-related NPC, just let me think for a while
indigo fog
A post-boss accessory that slightly protects you from lightning is fine
but lightning itself does not need a buff
gusty geode
Things don't always go according to plan
ashen warren
Hmm... Ok
Idk how many damage lightning deals to you
Since I haven't played DM recently
indigo fog
it kills you instantly early-game
From my experience, it definitely is annoying enough
indigo fog
You'd probably survive that
but you can't get that many heart crystals early game in DM
ashen warren
So, it is around 250-300
indigo fog
space kills you so it's harder to get life crystals since there's no planetoids to go to
gusty geode
I do like the mechanic with the ore armors tho
Copper reducing lightning damage is an especially good idea
Incentivizing the use of an overall weaker set for a purpose besides combat
gusty geode
Also
They exist underground
And iirc they might even be craftable as of recently
gusty geode
Ah
ashen warren
Well, bad idea, Copper conducts electricity
Copper is the second best conductor of electricity
ashen warren
Only Iron Armor would reduce a lot of damage.
Silver Armor and Gold Armor would be terrible ideas, since they conduct it very well
indigo fog
btw you should go edit that suggestion and make it smaller
that's too many changes to suggest
indigo fog
Good
I'm gonna read through it now
How does being in a bubble make lightning less likely to hit you
ashen warren
Amidias' Blessing you mean? Well, it makes sense, since he casts a protective magic to allow you breath in a place where you can't fully breathe even with the best gear
ashen warren
Granting another purpose to that buff would make Amidias more interactable, wouldn't it
indigo fog
but at the same time it doesn't make sense
The tree change is one im definitely not a fan of
there are trees everywhere
Question, have you played deathmode?
ashen warren
I haven't played the recent one
indigo fog
well from my experience, lightning is already a pain to deal with
especially when building
or even just exploring
distant gyro
iirc lightning will barely ever hit you if you stand
distant gyro
I thought lightning doesn't strike within your range
unless you have a qol mod that makes building faster it shouldn't destroy the pace
indigo fog
I have a builder potion
thats it
and it has striked pretty close to me even when standing still
The idea of Lightning Rod is pretty pointless since you can just use the torrential tear
and it's not as annoying at that point
just a waste of an accessory slot
Why would being in a structure like a Dungeon reduce the chance of lightning hitting you if you are already protected by a roof
And the silver armor change is just an unnecessary nerf
distant gyro
Lightning Rod sounds like a sis
indigo fog
And again, i'm always near trees exploring so making lightning more likely to kill me is just buffing it, and it's already annoying
So far im not a fan of any of these changes
oh the suggestion got deleted
ashen warren
Well, I agree, I would suggest something like this when I am experienced about this sruff
indigo fog
Alright, that's better
indigo fog
you should experience it first
ashen warren
Yes, you are right
indigo fog
before suggesting changes
distant gyro
(still a sis though)
indigo fog
lava waders would just be protecting your feet
distant gyro
it does grant immunity though
indigo fog
just get a warmth potion
distant gyro
heat immunity that is
indigo fog
that's pretty weird
distant gyro
anything that raises lava timer above 0 should grant heat imm
hollow idol
heat is to the right
distant gyro
None of the lava charm shit grants cold immune afaik
hollow idol
lava charm grants cold but not heat 
distant gyro
@waxen pike Reason is invalid. Lava Charm only grants Heat Immunity
distant gyro
wait wtf did the table flip itself
hollow idol
thonk
indigo fog
that needs to be edited at some point
distant gyro
@termi urded
swift wadi
10000 iq
indigo fog
Campfires give cold immunity, just use that
you can just place a bunch of them around
distant gyro
Immunity to heat is being immune to lava, having the lava rose, or having a lava timer above 0 (from stuff like lava charm)
Immunity to both is the molten armourset, magma stone, frost armour, frigid bulwark, frost barrier, frost flare, rampart of deities, soul of cryogen, or being a snowman.```
distant gyro
(This is a quote from dev server)
also welcome to calamity magic
you get superpowers being a snowman
split narwhal
Why would you use a vanity item for cold/heat protections?
distant gyro
MSaH is not just an ordinary vanity though, it's also a dev item
Dev and donator items usually defy anything going for it
split narwhal
Did the donator ask for this?
split narwhal
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tulip parcel
Boss/Miniboss suggestions are off limits right
I know bosses 100% are
but idk if minboss bois are
tulip parcel
meh
I had a thought as to filling the slime boss void that astralgeldon left, seeing as how the sulphurous sea has all those corpses in it it'd be fitting if there were a king-slime sized slime that was chock-full of skeletons maybe post-moonlord
call it like the corpse slime
but I don't really feel like writing futilely
worthy fiber
We don't need another slime boss
ashen warren
tulip parcel
More slime is always needed
If those weird advertisements on gelbooru are to be believed
tulip parcel
okay so this is... eh? I'm not sure whether or not this infringes on the "no suggesting change of class" rule
But I feel like it would be a lot more player friendly if the weapons that have melee -AND- rogue variants, like the various boomerangs
To have crafting recipes where the recipe is one variant and the output is the other
Re: You can interchange between them at the appropriate crafting station
tired haven
could've swore there was a "don't" about melee/rogue transformations
This idea is quite overused and due to variety of reasons (one of them being free reforges/losing reforges) isn't gonna be a thing, at least now
tulip parcel
I guess that makes sense, it just feels like someone could get screwed over pretty hard if they make elemental disk (melee) when they meant to make elemental disk (rogue)
Because you can't use the melee variant for anything, whereas the rogue variant can be used to make celestus
radiant meadow
@waxen pike already a thing
waxen pike
It’s not still froze to death with lava waders but not lava charm
waxen pike
It did
radiant meadow
They give heat immunity
waxen pike
Used it today actually
radiant meadow
Well, it must be something else
waxen pike
Pre hardmode blizzard
waxen pike
The lava charm does both idk why
distant gyro
could you retest that and send footage
waxen pike
When I get home I can
ashen warren
I would say Death, Defiled and Armageddon buff icons to show their activity but buff icons are already problematic due to the cap, which I’m assuming is something that can’t be changed
zealous ridge
i believe the cap has been changed in the past
but i dont like it being a buff either way
because compensating for the extra buffs from difficulty modes by increasing the number of buff slots could cause problems in other ways
ashen warren
Things I wouldn’t know about. I wanna ask because I’m curious, but that’d be kind of off topic.
I suppose only Armageddon needs some sort of a tell that it’s active. The others are more or less obvious.
clever kraken
could i suggest a calamity mod extra music thing in the suggestions?
because uh
a skeletron music box would be nice
zealous ridge
nah, i think there's a server for it, ask it there
clever kraken
hmmmm
zealous ridge
i dont think the same people run the extra music mod
distant gyro
extra music is not a part of official clam yeah
clever kraken
f
distant gyro
you can make sugs to main music here though
zealous ridge
check out #other-discords because calamity mod extra music's there if you aren't in it
clever kraken
emkay
zealous ridge
also, i have a quick question... regarding a suggestion im making
how do you think people would feel about the insta-kills being removed from post-DoG damage accessories?
not asking anyone specifically... just wondering if anyone has an opinion
ashen warren
Darksun would need to be rebalanced if that was done. Otherwise, it makes very little difference since most of Calamity past then is bosses and grinding for misc materials
distant gyro
also I think the term you're looking for is class mega-accessories
small talon
Could I get some input on my suggestion?
Make it so you are not affected by a blizzard in an underground ice biome
Currently, if it is blizzarding in death mode you freeze to death after roughly a minute, there's no real problem with this being added for some extra difficulty except that the blizzard can still freeze you underground. I get death mode tries to make it difficult but this is just unfair and unrealistic and I would almost call it a bug. Not to mention you have no way of telling it started blizzarding out until you either die from it or get a weather radio and actually check the radio every 5 seconds.
distant gyro
they don't apply to other damage accs like amalgam
ashen warren
I relate
zealous ridge
okay so, in regards to the instakill
honestly i dont feel like darksun is balanced for the instakills anyways
i mean, the enemies are tanky
ashen warren
Like the Possessed has like 20K health
Without the instakill I’d be slapping the thing for like 5 seconds, which is annoying as Melee where every hit sends it offscreen
zealous ridge
i really didnt find it that challenging
i think they have massive kb resist too, right?
because im literally playing melee and im not having that issue
might just be glacial state, actually
ashen warren
Like I’d hover the Obliterator over the enemies and use the lasers only, because as soon as I hit it with the yoyo, bam. Offscreen somewhere.
zealous ridge
hold on let me confirm
ashen warren
Given that it happened to me with several other weaps, I’m guessing that’s an issue on my end
zealous ridge
it might not be
i have a feeling some weapons are more prone to kb than others
and if its glacial state like ive been assuming, the enemies you may be having issues with may be immune to it?
tbh i can agree with a health nerf for the normal darksun enemies
ashen warren
I don’t think I’m inflicting Galcial State. Weird because I thought the Elem Gauntlet inflicted it
Either way I think the hyperspeed mothron spawning and slapping you for 700 damage before you can react is much more of an issue than normal enemies having too much health
zealous ridge
ye that's fair
void kelp
nailheads and eyezors having an absurd amount of health and damage too
doubling stats isn’t really a fun difficulty change
ashen warren
Other than the whole Darksun deal, I think the instakill thing is seldom useful. It isn’t a big deal to keep it, but therefore I don’t see why there would be much of a push to remove it either. It’s just kind of there.
zealous ridge
yeah, its a little minor
but there are two concerns i have
- random instant heals
- balancing of later parts of the game (draedon, yharim, etc)
radiant meadow
I remember someone once suggesting to move the instakill effect to dimensional soul artifact
zealous ridge
hmm
that's interesting
i wouldnt be opposed to that personally
but like, yeah
point is, when you instakill something theres a chance that kill will heal you (silva/auric orbs, empyrean knives, literally any heal on hit effect) and you literally get all your hp back
radiant meadow
oh
that explains why I randomly get big heals
oh, the instakill move suggestion only hit 43 stars
so it never got delivered
ashen warren
Just have heals not occur on instakill hits. (Or is that annoying to do?)
keen geyser
I would assume that'd be annoying
tired haven
Meh
keen geyser
but what do I know
tired haven
Especially if you consider the game will cap out lifesteal for a long time due to overheals like that
So it hurts you more than helps
ashen warren
Anyway if Darksun enemies can instantly delete your health why can’t you instantly un-delete it?
marble mirage
just don't get hit lol
marble mirage
but yeah to be honest, the damage for darksun enemies is a little ridiculous for that point
tired haven
If we have nukes why don't we have cities-in-pockets?
ashen warren
Idk ask Brainiac
tired haven
I'd agree on enormous scaling tho, ye
ashen warren
Chozo mentioned something about balancing future content too, and to that I’d say cross that bridge when we get to it.
Uninformed public such as myself don’t even know how far out all of the Draedon & Yharim stuff is so...
marble mirage
also tbh i don't understand the whole "chance to instakill enemies" thing for the post-dog accesories
like the only enemies you need to kill at that point are mini-bosses, and you already get enough batshit power to instakill everything small anyway
i guess it's an overkill thing
ashen warren
Was supposed to be QoL when it was added afaik
marble mirage
ah
hallow kraken
fun fact: DS lore decreases damage by 2.5%
hallow kraken
How huge decrease DS worst lore item
frail mantle
early game that's, like, one less damage on your strongest weapons at that stage
distant gyro
I'll still take the offer for DS lore and KS lore yea
sand umbra
people keep crying fowl over these damage decreases but like
hollow shell
@neat geyser
sand umbra
literally 2.5% damage? making it bad???
frail mantle
tbh i feel like people just don't know how small the damage decreases actually are
sand umbra
Menacing already does virtually nothing at that stage of the game and that's a 4% increase
what makes you believe a 2.5% decrease is gonna be any bigger or badder
distant gyro
and I have doubts people will use DS lore in the endgame
since 5 defense is nothing
so I see no problem here
frail mantle
full menacing makes a difference but like
full menacing pre boss lole
sand umbra
full menacing makes a difference, maybe
but one Menacing modifier alone just doesn't cut it
you barely get anything from it
this is the same deal
radiant meadow
early game might be better off investing into lucky
sand umbra
just in the opposite direction
hollow shell
What I'm wondering is why the damage decrease was included at all if it's so minuscule
distant gyro
yay, your arkhalis deals 0.625 less damage per hit
radiant meadow
I think it's just for thematics
distant gyro
sand umbra
Lucky is a brilliant investment early-game because it is the single best modifier to obtain when building for Turbulance
which as we all know is an equally briliant weapon with no downsides whatsoever
I am a perfectly unbiased person, just go with it
distant gyro
lucky is a good investment early game in general
sand umbra
honestly yeah
sand umbra
pre-Hardmode in general, crit chance boosts will take you a lot further than damage boosts
since your base damage isn't usually big enough for it to matter much, but your crit chance is pathetically low
it then slowly flips as you progress through the game
Lucky becomes sort of a diminishing returns kinda deal since you start getting innate crit chance bonuses on everything, and Menacing becomes more powerful as your base damage start to justify using it more and more
anywho, the point is, a 2.5% damage decrease means quite literally nothing at the stage of the game you get DS' lore item
now, if you wanna talk about how KS' lore downside is overtuned, especially given that you don't really notice the boosts it gives you at all...
radiant meadow
should it be like 3 defense instead?
sand umbra
yeah
its upside isn't exactly noticeable, especially when other items you can get at the same stage of the game grant a greater boost
and at the stage of the game you generally fight KS, 5 defense is a pretty hefty number given how much you typically get from armor and accessories
hollow shell
I never noticed the movement effects of KS lore but I always equipped it just in case it was having an effect
radiant meadow
well, I reduced it to 3
sand umbra
tired haven
well, the part about diminishing returns of crit is kinda wrong. damage stacks and loses efficiency much faster
What would be correct to mention is 100% crit hardcap but the only realistic parts when you reach that is ultra late game and rogue stealth luls
hollow shell
Well there's no reason to hard-cap it at 100% considering further boosts do nothing, right?
tired haven
It's a natural treat of crit, not a proposal or anything
It never did anything past 100% either way
sand umbra
hm. might've looked at it wrong
the thing I'd figured was that the amount a crit chance boost helps you is at least partially proportional to how much crit chance you already possess
either way yeah crit chance literally does nothing beyond 100%
zealous ridge
alright, how do you think people would like a suggestion to give the jellyfish necklace a secondary source?
indigo fog
It seems fine as it is
zealous ridge
i do not agree
zealous ridge
well my biggest problem is they have exactly one source if i recall correctly, and that's the pink jelly
i uh
i know
indigo fog
wait
keen geyser
there is only one way to acquire it, it is an obnoxious thing since by farming them you can accidentally summon siren
memetis shrimp are a thing
zealous ridge
ye normal ocean grinding would be nice if theyre weren't sirens constanly taking up time to ignore/dodge
keen geyser
that
zealous ridge
the item itself is misleading
keen geyser
I've been cheated and lied to
indigo fog
Thought it also came from crates but it seems to not
indigo fog
use defiled and you should get it real quick
radiant meadow
could make it drop from one of Clam's other 3 jellyfish
ghost bells, mirage jellies, or box jellyfish
keen geyser
aha
quick ice
they have the Abyss Shocker now so they're definitely fine on drops
keen geyser
didnt know that
quick ice
all good, it was added in the most recent update
indigo fog
The necklace dropping from other enemies is fine, but not really needed
it's fine as it is
quick ice
while it is fine, there are plenty of items in the mod that get unecessary drop chances from other enemies since logically, they would drop it
For instance, Turtle Shells from Gnashers, Diving Helmets from Thrashers and all the underground Sword drops from Cosmic Elementals
quick ice
I think they're meant to be a Sea Turtle
keen geyser
gnashers are a type of turtle ig
swift bison
snapping turtles probably
quick ice
yeah, wiki says they're based off of the snapping turtle
radiant meadow
if they're based off a turtle, I guess it makes sense
quick ice
exactly, they make sense. Which is why giving the Jellyfish Necklace to a Jellyfish enemy would also make sense
zealous ridge
i mean
indigo fog
The turtle shell change is great too, i hate farming giant tortoises
zealous ridge
bone sword isnt really... used in anything, right?
keen geyser
nah
radiant meadow
you can craft a giant tortoise shell into a turtle shell now
keen geyser
it's not a material
zealous ridge
and starfury and enchanted have crafting recipes
keen geyser
arkhalis doesn't
indigo fog
yeah but i'm still farming the giant tortoises
zealous ridge
i think arkhalis is the main reason yeah
indigo fog
to get that
radiant meadow
so it's less painful to get shells
quick ice
yeah, Arkhalis is the only one that really should drop from the Cosmic Elementals
everything else they drop is just extra
radiant meadow
I think enchanted sword and starfury is fine for the cosmic theme
zealous ridge
its a nice chance to get a cool sword, ill give it that
quick ice
also on the topic of enemy drops, shouldn't the Plagueshell drop Tortoise Shells and the Viruling drop Beetle Juice?
zealous ridge
but if we want to talk semantics, arkhalis is all you really "need"
quick ice
both items are dropped by these enemies non-plague counterparts so I don't see why they wouldn't drop from these enemies (Especially the Tortoise Shells, since you can clearly see that the Plagueshell has a shell on its back)
radiant meadow
plagueshell could probably use it
zealous ridge
i have to ask at this point.. do we really need that many turtle shells?
i mean, yeah it makes turtle armor easier
but really only 4 shells are needed for all crafting recipes
if i recall
for the armor at least
quick ice
6 Shells
and realistically, no, you don't need that many shells
zealous ridge
what are the other two uses?
quick ice
you use 1 for each piece of the armor and 3 for the Frozen Turtle Shell recipe
zealous ridge
oh that would be 7
quick ice
7?
zealous ridge
because 2 for 2 chestplates to be upgraded into beetle
quick ice
oh, forgot about that
radiant meadow
could add it to like titan scale recipe or something
although titan scale already kinda expensive iirc
zealous ridge
i wouldnt be opposed to that personally
quick ice
yeah, it'd work well in Titan Scale or another potion based off of Tanky-ness
zealous ridge
but yeah its expensive
quick ice
if not Titan-Scale it could work in Crumbling Potion
radiant meadow
crumbling already uses forbidden fragments tho
quick ice
swapping the Turtle Shells for the Forbidden Fragments in the Crumbling Potions would make more sense imo
sand umbra
but like why
quick ice
cause Turtle Shells are a more generally used material and easier to get
Forbidden Fragment already has enough uses in weapons
radiant meadow
I hink crumbling pot holds theming with said weapons
quick ice
just counted, Calamity adds 10 weapons which use Forbidden Fragments
quick ice
I guess so, but I'd personally swap it to Turtle Shells since they (Alongside the 4 jungle materials Calamity adds) all have 3-4 uses each
sand umbra
Frost Cores kinda be gettin' left in the dust tho
literally only used for Kelvin Catalyst aside from Frost armor
quick ice
no see it's fine, cause they're used in all 3 recipes that make Frost Armor
quick ice
but yeah, Frost Cores (And the Ice Biome) need more stuff from Calamity
sand umbra
truths
zealous ridge
instead of essence of eleum make frozen turtle shell need frost core
sand umbra
love him or hate him, Ben be spittin' straight fax
radiant meadow
actually not a bad idea
sand umbra
I can get behind this
radiant meadow
cryo drops frost cores that do like nothing
quick ice
yeah, changing it to Frost Cores would work
zealous ridge
maybe it still need essences but frost core addition would be nice
getting into the specific item sugg range
what if there was an alternative to the crumbling potion that used essences of eleum, frost cores, and maybe... cryonic bar/stardust? to create a potion that benefitted ranger and mage
summoner gets left in the dust but that would be cool i think
sand umbra
increased projectile velocity
zealous ridge
definitely not suggesting that but its fun to think about
radiant meadow
ranger probably doesn't need the potion
quick ice
mixing Frost Cores into the recipes of a few other weapons like the Flarefrost Blade or the Temporal Floe Sword would also be nice
sand umbra
and no we're not doing it how Magic Quiver does it because Magic Quiver does it in a way that makes it useless for arrows which already use extraUpdates
hallow hatch
I mean there could be a summon potion made from jungle shit
quick ice
yes give Jungle Shit a use
sand umbra
okay so actually
indigo fog
They aren't really just rare items anymore then
sand umbra
Calamity adds like six Jungle materials
all of them are used for exactly 1-2 things each
radiant meadow
why? I have no idea
hallow hatch
Exactly
radiant meadow
but frost cores in recipes sounds cool and good
sand umbra
it's bothered me for months but I've been scared to bring it up because muh jungle bloat :(((
timber thicket
still, i want to be able to use like carnage to make bloody edge
vague karma
@timber thicket it would be useful but the RIV needs to give some boost to crafted item. Just a small one
keen geyser
hilarious one ben
hallow hatch
Add it to a potion
indigo fog
wait thats not what it's suggesting
sand umbra
good to hear somebody agrees with me so I can bring it up 
timber thicket
maybe increased chance for the best modifier instead of adding whole new things?
plus it could help with grinding
i.e. i wouldnt have to get AOTE for AOTC if i can just grind bumblebirb
(if you cant tell i hate grinding especially when its forced on you)
sand umbra
well yes but why would you
indigo fog
I am not gonna be forced to grind for something like Swordsplosion
sand umbra
AotE is a billion times easier to get than 'Splosion
timber thicket
still
sand umbra
and additionally doesn't require fighting Birb in the first place
timber thicket
lets say therres that 1 weird dud
indigo fog
still?
timber thicket
or idk, using carnage in recipe for bloody edge
keen geyser
1 weird dude is really not enough
timber thicket
nope its both of us Tones :3
sand umbra
brunga my name is not Tones
indigo fog
Quasar into shattered sun?
timber thicket
im just thinking of examples off the top of my head
indigo fog
they shouldn't be crafted into anything
sand umbra
for just 5 dollars a moment, you too can stop nick abuse from torturing any more innocent non-cooldudes
quick ice
but here's the Dealio with Jungle Drops
- Murky Paste has no reason to exist
- Trapper Bulb and Maneater Bulb could literally be the same item since they're used in all the same recipes (And then maneater has 1 unique reecipe)
- Beetle Juice is used in 2 items that use the Bulbs mentioned previously, and a vanilla item that most people get from normal enemy drops
sand umbra
literally forgetting Butterfly Dust 2
quick ice
seriously, if you just remove 2 of these drops nothing would change
sand umbra
why is Gypsy Powder
quick ice
oh wait, tHEReS mOAr
distant gyro
idk if anyone brought this up
quick ice
but yeah, I'd just cut the Gypsy Powder, Maneater Bulb and Beetle Juice
indigo fog
Why would i try to get grand dad instead of grand guardian
radiant meadow
gypsy powder is to be annoying when making ampoule
sand umbra
the bruh
indigo fog
and this kinda ruins some crafting trees
sand umbra
post-Golem sales meme
queen sail
I would cut trapper bulbs tbh
sand umbra
what's funny is that that is right in time for PBG, who is arguably the last thing Ampoule will actively help you best against
distant gyro
The main purpose of rare items and legendaries is to be "oh cool here's a cool and good item" that you probably get randomly in your runs due to how many of them there are; and not to fit the people's mindset of "yo this thing is a crutch OP must have"
@timber thicket
queen sail
Needlessly different version of a different item for more grinding
queen sail
And worse it’s more of a pain in the ass to get than maneater bulbs
timber thicket
would you not want to get maybe a bit more use for it?
indigo fog
if you get quasar you just ruin the shattered sun crafting tree
sand umbra
you already get more use than should be legal out of some RIVs
radiant meadow
grand dad in the buffed events
distant gyro
also having 2 of a similar weapon in the same tree of different origins would be pretty awkward
sand umbra
Grand DAD becomes stupid for immediate post-ML grinding and then falls out of favor and then becomes stupid again once buffed events start happening, yes
distant gyro
grand guardian and grand dad both being with in earth be like
indigo fog
1 or the other is much worse
indigo fog
wait
timber thicket
or like, AOTE or swordsplosion
indigo fog
yeah that ruins the crafting trees for a lot of stuff
timber thicket
i use those examples the most as they are the one si think of the top of my heaed
queen sail
That’d make pointless recipes wouldn’t it
sand umbra
being able to use Transformer for Absorber be like
sand umbra
I think what they mean is simply adding recipe groups for these RIVs and the items they're based on
indigo fog
It'd be weird for regenerator to go into Asgard's valor when the item has none of its effects
radiant meadow
that is correct
distant gyro
yes but also doubling code
sand umbra
I personally don't like the idea because it defeats the purpose of actually going through the crafting tree for these items
radiant meadow
but I disagree with the concept
sand umbra
but ¯_(ツ)_/¯
radiant meadow
they're intended to be unique one-off items
lost agate
just make rivs return to the normal drops with an autohammer ez
lower the quality by hammering
radiant meadow
timber thicket
sand umbra
valid dirge
I mean, aren't there two weapons that include a legendary weapon in their recipe?
indigo fog
no
sand umbra
yes
green pumice
yes.
indigo fog
what
green pumice
dratalitornus and apotheosis
sand umbra
Drakadakadakaliornus and Apoth.
indigo fog
those dont count
sand umbra
Yes they do.
keen geyser
why wouldn't they
indigo fog
nvm
queen sail
What does Drataliornus even mean
sand umbra
They're both weapons, and they both use a Legendary weapon each in their recipes.
queen sail
It sounds like Terry-tier naming
green pumice
it means drataliornus.
queen sail
sand umbra
Drat uses Blossom Flux, and Apoth takes Cosmic Discharge.
green pumice
radiant meadow
drataliornus was syg putting together random gibberish
and finding a gibberish combo that sounds decent
green pumice
sand umbra
Endgame dedicated items, at that.
valid dirge
Considering they both also use an Exo-weapon... yeah.
IIRC they are both rewards for completing challenges.
distant gyro
yes
valid dirge
Apotheosis was for defeating the Devourer of Gods using only spear weapons in hardcore mode.
distant gyro
Drataliornus' Blossom Flux is for beating all bosses including Boss Rush with BFlux // item is for nohitting Rev
valid dirge
Overall, even if they occasionally add items that use Legendary items, I have great doubts that they will ever allow RIVs to be included in any recipes.
quartz hare
MegaJani
gusty geode
Weren't they just asking that RIVs serve the same purpose in recipes as their more common variant
I'd say that's reasonable
valid dirge
I mean, that's perfectly fine and reasonable. I was just going on a small tangent, I guess.
near rover
Suggestions are stared automatically right? How does that work?
What determines if a suggestion is starred?
indigo fog
Suggestions automatically get 1 star. if it gets 90, the devs take a look at it and approve or deny it
it's in the pins
wooden wedge
it's starred by a bot
near rover
So does it star after a certain period of time? Does it star under some criteria?
indigo fog
the 1 star is from the bot
void kelp
as soon as it appears
indigo fog
after that anyone else can star it
And about that suggestion to make Lava Waders and upgrades give cold immunity, I tested it and the lava charm doesn't do that so the reason is invalid. It's a wiki misleading and that's a wiki issue
radiant meadow
Wiki isn't misleading
indigo fog
i tested it
radiant meadow
Did you even check the wiki?
radiant meadow
where does it say lava charm gives cold immunity?
radiant meadow
Fixed it
distant gyro
This is the time where termi is publicly exectuted
radiant meadow
That's what non public areas are for
indigo fog
When you're dodging attacks those minions aren't gonna be floating around
radiant meadow
I can barely understand minion movement as it stands
indigo fog
they're gonna go attack whatever is attacking you
radiant meadow
indigo fog
this is pointless
radiant meadow
And I think he or she means like in scal bh's
radiant meadow
You'd be surprised on how many people agree that fat nuggets obscure vision
indigo fog
It would still kinda be in the way if it's floating above your head
radiant meadow
Well ye, but their idea is to lessen the obstruction
prime elbow
izzy, have you ever tried building something with minions?
indigo fog
oh yeah that makes sense
but they should float a bit higher above the player then
otherwise it can still get distracting
prime elbow
yeah
indigo fog
also you can just reduce spawn rates and turn the minions off while building
can't do that when you're fighting and exploring
versed tundra
I don't get that last sugg
If you are dodging, that means there are foes
If there are foes, yoir minions are attaking them
indigo fog
that's what i just said
it's only useful for yharon minions blocking vision in scal bullet hell phases
but thats a pretty small change
versed tundra
It's a per minion change
Some would need them, some don't
It's hard for me to say which one
I know I don't like having elemental axes around when building something more complicated than a platform bridge
versed tundra
Sentry doesn't move with me :)
indigo fog
you can place a bunch of them around
versed tundra
It can't stand on platforms :)
versed tundra
Yeah, that's postml
indigo fog
and so is elemental axe
versed tundra
And it doesn't do S about Providence's 3 monsters