No they don't @indigo fog
#suggestions-discussion
indigo fog
i was asking why they don't
sinful flax
I think a better change would be for your minions to target any abyss enemy that's in a hostile state. Best to avoid angering an Eidolon wyrm when you don't want to fight it
fierce hedge
Yeah
indigo fog
that should be edited
sinful flax
Well my line of logic is that critters and other non hostile creatures are not targeted by minions naturally so the same should apply in the abyss based on whether an enemy is hostile to you or not.
indigo fog
what if you want to make it hostile and attack it
fierce hedge
thing is,
some actually attack you
but don't get targeted by minions
I don't get that
indigo fog
that sounds like a bug
versed tundra
The problem is, not every summoner wants to aggro everything around them in the abyss
Being stealthy is a totally valid plan
distant gyro
ultimate solution is to make right click actually work on every enemy
but vanilla overwrite etc
toxic kettle
hearty plaza
^
radiant meadow
@vast stirrup I excluded brackish Flask on purpose
I didn't want so many post plant items crammed into the recipe
vast stirrup
both are (sorta) spherical tho /s
tired haven
"
Remove the 10% summon damage bonus when player doesn't hold a summoner weapon in hand (keep it if they do)
New system will look like:
+10% - summoner weapon is chosen
0 - neither summoner nor other classes weapons (e.g blocks, pickaxes, classless weapons)
-25% - other classes weapons
Summoners are quite strong during non-boss tasks like mining, fishing, etc. Doing that change means that strategically switching to weapons when needed is rewarded.
Additionally, that adds certain effort towards using classless options like Golden Gun and Rod of Discord: you still get most of the damage but if you need more, switch to the proper summoner staff (which is another minor reason: it makes little sense for holding unrelated item to be as significant of boost as actual summoner staff)
"
How is that one?
frail mantle
Sounds good
lilac mountain
Yes
lofty blade
that seems pretty good crab
tired haven
Aight, then gotta post as is
tepid root
wait sortar are you saying to make sentries a completely seperate class from summoner and a class thats developed throughout the whole game
lofty blade
what?
tepid root
refer to the suggestion above crab
lofty blade
oh
arctic wren
Make ||Endogenesis|| either use the mode you were last using or use the first mode after being completely resummoned or after a death
The way the weapon works at the moment is kind of wonky. The first time you summon it after booting a world it'll work as stated, but if you die or unsummon completely (cancel the buff) and re-summon it later it'll continue cycling through modes as if you never unsummoned it at all. This is kind of confusing and also means it can be annoying to get back to the mode you wanted (since you basically have to summon it 4 times).
While making it use the mode you last had it on in the event of completely unsummoning it/cancelling the buff would be better imo, even making it reset instead would make it more consistent.
thoughts?
lofty blade
that seems to be what the suggestion is doing
and that would just be way too much content and balancing to do and it would be just way too much to separate two things that are already extremely similar
arctic wren
also sentries are kind of silly already, no need to buff them 
tired haven
The catch is, sentries are meant to accompany minions, not to replace them
arctic wren
^
lofty blade
that too
tepid root
i mean, i understand having more sentries throughout the game but a whole new class 
tired haven
It's far from even regular subclass behavior when people tend to separate tomes from staves etc.
Ideally you use both subclasses as summoner, and there is no need to separate them much
lofty blade
and that suggestion seems good @arctic wren
arctic wren
alright, I'll put it in then
ashen warren
uneven palm
The thing is, sentries by themselves are already a viable class in vanilla, since the OOA update. We have armor for them, accessories and all that, but in calamity, we get nothing more, besides the weapons, AKA no armor or accessories. It really seems like you can go up to moonlord with vanilla gear and then it cuts off completely. If you wanna use even just more than one sentry, you gotta sacrifice an accessory slot, or your armor (But you cannot even do that, because the armor we have will mostly only buff the OOA sentries)
shell lynx
I think even without boosts sentries are really strong
tired haven
I do agree sentries need a bit more integration into summoner sets postML (or 1-2 acc upgrades)
That's about it though. OOA armor set bonuses combined with ooa sentries aren't as powerful as similar/higher tier calamity sentries with just OOA helmet (which carries sentry slots)
Btw to use minions you also sacrifice acc slots or armor, so that comparison is kinda... eeh
We don't just split ranger in archer and gunner just because there is magic quiver, do we?
(some do, actually, but that's a tad weird)
uneven palm
I'm totally fine with that, I think we just need to have an option to carry our sentries to the calamity end game
tired haven
That's for sure
The key difference is that sentries should be more-less integrated with minions rather than repelling them
uneven palm
We could maybe have an option between two helmets, for example one giving 6 minions and the other giving 4 minions and one sentry or something like that
This would keep minions on the spot, and it would also open up the way to something new and different
lost agate
Ok heres the deal
||Endogenesis switchs mode by unsummoning|| 
||using the staff just unsummons the current endo cooper||
Also doesnt the tooltip state that you can do both to change modes?
So if this gets sent idk how it will be done
hearty yew
@maiden eagle I'm not sure I understand your suggestion. I make 100% changelogs for the wiki people which list EVERYTHING that happened, but you specifically don't want to know everything? I don't understand
It is impossible to decide what is important and what isn't to people. For example, someone might say that empyrean knives getting nerfed (just a single change) is the most important because they love that weapon
It's subjective. I don't know what you specifically want to see listed, so by listing everything it cannot possibly miss what you want.
opal barn
@hearty yew I think he says that he wants that document to exist so he doesn't have to scroll through the unorganized #changelogs
jovial spire
Change the death message after you die from lighting
Why this should be changed: It currently says things like "(Player Name) got snapped in half by Lightning Orb Arc". It should be changed to something like "(Player Name) was struck by lightning", "(Player Name) was shocked", or the "(Player Name) couldn't contain the volts." message.
tepid root
yeah that makes sense
jovial spire
Yeah seems odd that it says a lightning orb arc killed you
tepid root
ashen warren
queen sail
What will he write
ashen warren
lore item tooltip: either increase spacing between the lore and the effect desciption or change the colour of the lore lines.
this makes it easier to tell where the flavour text ends and the actual effect begins. it also just currently feels awkward to read and somewhat immersion-breaking to go directly from yharim's hmm yes exposition to "btw this item does this", which a little extra clear distinction would ease
keen geyser
+1
ashen warren
frail mantle
some Calamity items already have colored tooltips iirc
keen geyser
||baguette does||
distant gyro
||baguette does not use a new custom color; it's the same as any other donator||
keen geyser
||well, no, but it's still a coloured tooltip||
frail mantle
||Endogenesis ||does it too
ashen warren
it looks easy 'cause it is easy iirc 
plucky matrix
Would make it far more pleasant to read, and if it's that easy then perfect
plucky matrix
Probably some dark-ish red to go with the calamity theme?
ashen warren
make them all the same color as yharon's yellow/orange chat text because yharim is talking
plucky matrix
Or that
visual gust
Is it just me or are grenades a bit overly strong for how easily obtained they are pre boss
Feel like they need a slight damage tune
visual gust
I just mean in the sense of most ground based bosses get steam rolled by grenades. Sure, early on, 20 silver is fair amount, but that becomes quickly irrelevant due to death mode giving mobs more money on death
Just my take is all.
tepid root
hollow shell
@velvet lynx Add a reason
It can be inferred but it's good to include for completion's sake
fervent citrus
The longer, the higher chance it will be accepted :P
velvet lynx
exploring while raining early game is not worth the risk
adding a 1 second frame allows to be able to dodge a potential lightning strike
you can still be struck, but it makes exploring on a rainy day more plausible
this could be disabled when you reach a point where you could survive a direct strike, like in hardmode/late pre-harmode
uneven palm
Guys, do you think we could get the Sun Spirit Staff and the Sun God Staff to work as the new staff called "Sirius"?
"Each re-summon consumes another minion slot and grants a boost to the minion's damage."
versed tundra
how would you track the number of slots used?
uneven palm
Idk, but Sirius already does this
I think it just doesn't count it
also
"The minion can be re-summoned multiple times with no cap, however each subsequent re-summoning grants a smaller boost than the last."
strong minnow
why do you put endogenesis in spoiler?
karmic stone
Spoiler period
frail mantle
^
wooden wedge
The spoiler period for this update ends 72 hours after the update post time in #mod-downloads
queen sail
Does it bother anyone that a Terra summon exists and itâs not used in the Elemental equipment set (and as a result the exo equipment set) yet some garden tool is
hollow shell
Garden tool?
hollow shell
It upgrades into a summon weapon, yeah
Seemed like you were implying it was a direct ingredient in Immaterializer
w/e
yeah, Plantation should prolly be an ingredient in Immaterializer
Dunno if it should be an ingredient in Elemental Axe
frail mantle
I mean I guess itâd be more consistent with the other Terra/Elemental weapons
sinful violet
I'd be fine with replacing inferna cutter with plantation staff or something else
sand umbra
hot take: Elemental Axe becomes a rogue wep (or becomes melee w/ Axe of Purity treatment), and the new Elemental summon is just Plantation Staff EX
radiant meadow
inferna cutter upgrades into grax and plantation staff replaces inferna cutter in ele axe recipe?
ashen warren
Yeh, then plantation staff because something of the moon lord, like a True EoC summon maybe
Wait tho
A mini True EoC summon weapon would actually be dope
sand umbra
the thievery of my gag is real with this one
I like this concept
ashen warren
i completely zoned out reading it because of the first and last sentence 
which, combined, are longer than the suggestion body itself????
hollow idol
tldr charred slime in crags
hollow saffron
ashen warren
frank stratus
^ the non-sugma bloated the entire sugma
ashen warren
frail mantle
on today's episode of Thomas Copystrikes #suggestions-voting For Copying His Suggestion Format
quartz hare
ban
ashen warren
its a bad format in any case iirc
just say what you want to and go, none of this padding
hollow saffron
tbh i'll stop because coming up with ideas for the today's episode format takes more time than the suggestion itself
dusty stirrup
His suggestion format adds nothing revelant to his actual suggestion and are just used to make it look like the suggestion had actual effort put into it when it's really just a suggestion that could be written in like 2 sentences
radiant meadow
stormlions don't have to do with water that much
hollow saffron
what do dehydrated horses have to do with water too
hollow saffron
oh
radiant meadow
they're like electrically charged antlions
hollow saffron
im out of date with the lore then
queen sail
Honestly what will rev get that isnât boss changes
hollow idol
rippers
queen sail
Thatâs it?
versed mica
queen sail
This is one of the main features of the mod and it doesnât seem to be getting much apart from boss changes and ripper adjustments
If my memory serves me right the only recent additions to Rev that wasnât a boss change was an AS legendary and some adjustments to the ripper bars
gusty geode
Imo the ideas Death is starting to get should definitely be applied to some degree in Rev
If you're gonna make the game harder
You should make the whole game harder
terse sundial
Rev already has increased enemy damage and increased spawn rates
radiant meadow
@opaque slate ele gauntlet still causes stuff to emit rainbow particles
they just also emit fire particles since ele gauntlet inherits magma stone effects now
queen sail
Why even present it as a difficulty mode
radiant meadow
I tried fixing stat meter and the other devs didn't like it
I tried adding colors and it completely broke
queen sail
Yes
ashen warren
Okay. Lemme just boot up the laptop
queen sail
Well anyways
If Death affects the entire game more than Rev does and Death is usually advertised as âincreased difficulty for those who want more than Revâ then what does Rev have
Something that isnât just boss changes and value adjustments
lost agate
Almost the same amount of enemy changes as expert
queen sail
Okay but why not do better than Expert
Did you not make Revengeance and Death for this sole reason
queen sail
Everybody knows Expert added jack shit
This would be a nice opportunity to finish what it started
lost agate
Well yeah
queen sail
Because if enemies are going to get changed then please something more than things like this
sand umbra
meme
lost agate
ÂŻ\_(ă)_/ÂŻ
ashen warren
lost agate
Hi
queen sail
Heâs here
lost agate
And thomas died
sand umbra
brunga
sand umbra
you did; here's the first suggestion of the day:
Please stop bootlegging my suggestion style, people.
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The way I do it is honestly just for jokes or references that aren't actually important and it very infrequently actually holds genuine importance to the sugg; I do it because I figure these things may be a bit funny to other people and perhaps lighten their spirits as they read about the latest thing I've chosen to complain aboutâ˘ď¸. If people think I'm doing it for stars, they're wrong, I do it because it's fun and makes my suggestions a little more than just a bunch of babbling on and on about a subject. Furthermore, it allows me to on occasion lead into the subject of my suggestions much better because suddenly, hey, there's a little joke that relates loosely to what he's gonna talk about, I wonder what it'll be? :o
The way I see it done by other people isn't really inspired at all and is just an attempt to ride on the differentiation I've made for myself for their own personal gain.
Seriously, it's time to stop. We're past the point of it being funny; in fact, we went past that point a while back. It's aggravating to me and undermines the whole purpose of anyone doing it.
Show's over.
This isn't necessarily a sugg per se but I feels like it needs to be said before this inevitably gets out of hand.
Actual sugg coming for review in a few minutes, I've got something here I assure you.
versed tundra
^
lost agate
Long story short :echceasebegone:
low salmon
When are we allowed to make suggestions against new/spoiler content? :o
sand umbra
tl;dr: let me keep my funny meme xd style sugmas to myself, it isn't going to help you get stars and it isn't exactly original or endearing to just lazily parody it
m
in any event, probably right now, although I'd recommend waiting until the spoiler grace period's up
low salmon
Mkay.
opal barn
i mean why do you still need to do it if you shat on the idea yourself
queen sail
I dunno I just overthink sometimes
ashen warren
i do in fact want to slap people who go in on unnecessary formatting
As you can see, lots of empty space. Cant even see the top
lost agate
Ono
sand umbra
there are much better reasons to slap me, I can assure you this
ashen warren
When I put it...say...in my hotbar, or anywhere else, part of it inevitably gets cut off either at the top or bottom because there's just too much empty space
sand umbra
tired haven
Oh thats for sure
queen sail
I always wondered why the stat meter was so big it was basically almost useless
versed tundra
do you play in 100% zoom UI?
low salmon
Turn it into a GUI pls.
queen sail
It takes up my entire screen
low salmon
sand umbra
stat meter be like ```csharp
hello there
// lots of space because meme
goodbye there```
ashen warren
So you guys have the issue too?
frail mantle
tbh just do the
Title/what it do
(optional line 2: the more detailed do that it done do)
The reason it should do the do that was just done explained
versed tundra
I don't
queen sail
Well yes
low salmon
lost agate
The spaces where for readability
ashen warren
Always thought it was just because my screen is a laptop screen
lost agate
It ub
versed tundra
I can use it very well
sand umbra
stat meter list is literally beyond lorge
queen sail
Well
lost agate
Kinda backfired
sand umbra
queen sail
Shicks
ashen warren
There seems to be atleast two spaces between each thing
queen sail
You probably pressed enter too many times
lost agate
Shocks
queen sail
low salmon
Why not ... like
ashen warren
Maybe lower it to one per
versed tundra
I have a a laptop too: it's resolution is 1080p though
lost agate
I didnt make that
low salmon
Gray and white text alternating.
versed tundra
White is the most readable IMO
low salmon
I don't mean like hard grey.
queen sail
Why not just no spaces
low salmon
just enough to differ the color.
queen sail
The formatting is already readable without it
queen sail
The normal spacing
Like this
Thereâs just so much that you canât even see what the item is
versed tundra
on your screen, yes
versed tundra
or maybe you just need to change your options if it's not already so to 1080p fullscreen with 100%UI zoom
lost agate
People have limited resolutions
opal barn
just buy a bigger monitor :4head:
versed tundra
A little offtopic, but aren't there mods to change the Terraria font?
That could fix all of your problems
indigo fog
I'm late to respond to this, but about that suggestion to make an indication for deathmode lightning before it strikes
I don't think it would be a realistic change to let the player predict the lightning. Lightning is really, really fast. It's more fitting to give the player an early-game potion to reduce the damage of the strike so it doesn't kill the player instantly, or to reduce the frequency of lightning strikes, since lightning isn't usually that frequent, especially in light rainfall. An indication would let the player dodge the lightning strike nearly every time and in my opinion, it doesn't really fit deathmode, even if it's early-game.
I'm pretty sure Fabsol was aiming for realistic changes to make the game much harder (tiny leeches, blizzards/space killing you without proper equipment, lightning, etc.) This is a very unrealistic change that makes lightning significantly easier to dodge, so in a way, this is the opposite of what deathmode is doing. I see where the suggestion is going, but this works much better with an early-game potion or a nerf to the frequency of the lightning strikes. That way it's more realistic while still having early-game lightning be a strong obstacle. This just isn't the way to do it.
ashen warren
Heres a thing. Shouldn't have to go out and buy a new laptop or monitor just because the text takes up too much of the screen
Its not the font. Its the fact that theres too much space between the text lines. Yes it increases readability but I see atleast two whole lines of nothing between them.
opal barn
it was a joke mister
indigo fog
Hasn't that been suggested multiple times already
versed tundra
I think so
cobalt rose
these products cannot be made for some legal reasons
ashen warren
I wouldn't know. Haven't been here long enough to see it be suggested
versed tundra
queen sail
Legal issues
hallow kraken
The sug doesnât really have a reason
ashen warren
Not even posters with just calamity art?
Considering the thumbnails on vids on youtube for the soundtrack
Posted by Dokuro
rapid pivot
I'm going to guess that Fabsol doesn't wanna have to retain the lawyers required to determine if it would even be risky or not.
hallow kraken
Why should a literal game mod go out of their way to make paid merchandise
rapid pivot
(aka 'i mean, sure, it's probably possible, but figuring out whether or not I'd get hit with a really expensive lawsuit would be expensive in itself')
they already sell the mousepads tho
indigo fog
This isn't really necessary to even suggest this because it has been suggested multiple times before
versed tundra
seeing how they can't even put the soundtrack on spotify, I doubd they would take that risk
ashen warren
Lawsuit? As long as its nothing from terraria itself I don't see the issue. Like for example, a Yharon poster.
I suppose considering its content from a mod that was made specifically for terraria.
rapid pivot
Yeah, but that doesn't mean that someone big and scary from 505 games, the publisher, won't notice and send Fabsol a fancy letter on expensive letterhead to knock it off.
ashen warren
Are they that petty?
hallow kraken
real life merchandise should be in pins
rapid pivot
Yes.
American copyright law kinda requires it; don't defend your copyright, lose it.
hallow kraken
real life merchandise should be in pins
indigo fog
Yeah can we make this a don't
ashen warren
Welp.
It was a cool concept. Unfortunate
But I see how there would be some issues
However, Calamity itself doesn't belong to 505. Copyright confuses me.
rapid pivot
Yeah, but terraria does.
wooden wedge
relogic bullshit iirc
rapid pivot
And while there is a question to be raised there..
opal barn
No point in discussing any further
indigo fog
If the answer is no, then we can put it in the don'ts so it doesn't get suggested again
indigo fog
I feel like at some point the channel would be renamed to #suggestions-voting_read_pins
frail mantle
suggested before by me a bunch of people iirc
void kelp
by you, by yata,
ashen warren
Imagine having government systems that are âfor the peopleâ but are made inaccessible by people who arenât rich
Not the time or place for that though
ashen warren
Just had to, you know, say it
cobalt rose
you really didn't
ashen warren
It was for my dwindling sanity
I was gonna suggest hover for the endgame wings like the Celestial tracers but it seems my discord is acting up. Tried sending it and it first sent without a star and so I deleted and tried again, then I had connection issues and it didnt go through
Ripperoni
ashen warren
They are the final one in the tree yeah?
ashen warren
It's mostly just considering that hovering has a lot of utility in dodging as well because of increased horizontal acceleration
This combined with the ninja gear/belt đ
indigo fog
that's fine, but i don't think those wings need a buff
post-yharon wings are an exception
ashen warren
Well no. The wings are great, just the ability to hover would be a nice qol
Just for celestial tracers perhaps
I'll try posting it again since it broke
indigo fog
Or maybe just Drew's wings because tracer wings are meant to be worse
versed tundra
Tracers meant to be bad? what?
ashen warren
I find the celestial tracers to be better than drews wings
keen geyser
that's a very strange reasoning
ashen warren
The seraph tracers not so much
indigo fog
they aren't
keen geyser
almost like it doesn't exist
gusty geode
Does post-Yharon tier have any of those weapons that fall under the "weaker but easier to get" category that may or may not exist
indigo fog
it's intentional
ashen warren
They are though?
versed tundra
I disagree for the tracers I had (all but the celestial ones)
indigo fog
You can compare tracer wings to other wings of their tier
it's always the worst option
ashen warren
Only disadvantage is flight time
indigo fog
what
ashen warren
But thats not a problem
versed tundra
Having the extra speed is soooo critical for basically everything
indigo fog
pls add a reason
ashen warren
I did
versed tundra
no
indigo fog
ashen warren
Oh. Hol up
rapid pivot
tbh extra speed is irrelevant at that tier
Yharon is always faster than you.
Literally hard-coded, no?
indigo fog
speed seriously helps with that
radiant meadow
elysian tracers are still better than tarragon wings pretty sure
rapid pivot
No, as in, it is coded so that Yharon is always faster than the player to a certain extent.
indigo fog
i'm talking about wings with the same tier
radiant meadow
well, the only real wing option for yharon is elysian tracers
so that may have been a bad example
indigo fog
elysian tracers don't have an alternative, but they should
radiant meadow
ashen warren
There
indigo fog
if mounts count as a flight option, post-DoG mounts are better i'm pretty sure
ashen warren
Outrunning yharon is not the intention anyway
rapid pivot
Mounts do weird things with your hitbox.
ashen warren
I am aware its not possible
indigo fog
Mounts are great vs yharon
ashen warren
Not ufo. Not imo atleast
rapid pivot
is ufo + supcal touhou?
indigo fog
I'm talking about the alicorn and shadow dragon mount
cobalt rose
gaze of cvtyrrferheuovuec3u
cobalt rose
same thing
indigo fog
it's not that hard to spell
cobalt rose
try spelling bendydick cucumber
ashen warren
Hover is nice for a variety of reasons. It would also make sense because several vanilla endgame wings have hover. Why not the calamity endgame wings?
indigo fog
I don't know if celestial tracers need a buff
this works with drew's wings because they are meant to be a lot better
indigo fog
what wings
ashen warren
Dude
gusty geode
Do any of the Tracers' materials have hovering?
indigo fog
no
dusty stirrup
celestial tracers also include the boots AND that tank ability so it's only fair game
indigo fog
drew's wings are currently pointless
ashen warren
Exactly
indigo fog
and that's it
ashen warren
Which is irrelevant in battle as they already have lots of time
dusty stirrup
If you don't want to use the boots, they are not useless, you can just use the wings themselves and be fine
ashen warren
Isnt hard to just tap the floor and start flying again
indigo fog
drew's wings don't have the tank ability
dusty stirrup
I like how it started with buff celestial tracers but now it's talking about how drew wings are useless
indigo fog
i think
ashen warren
You require drew's wings to make the tracers
dusty stirrup
And?
indigo fog
tracer wings are meant to be worse than normal wings as a flight option
so they shouldn't have hovering
dusty stirrup
^
indigo fog
only drew's wings can have that
ashen warren
Are you suggesting the celestial tracers be nerfed? Because they are inherently better than drew's wings
Overall*
indigo fog
they should be only worse as a flight option
dusty stirrup
I wasn't, but I think buffing them would be even worse
indigo fog
the suggestion should be edited
queen sail
What even is chrysthamyr
indigo fog
shadow dragon mount
dusty stirrup
Patreon mount
queen sail
Smth from Fire Emblem?
indigo fog
[[Gaze_of_Crysthamyr]]
red stormBOT
dusty stirrup
Might be
queen sail
Well yes I know that
zealous ridge
yeah, the tracers line is supposed to have the utility of wings and running boots in the same slot, making it a more casual option
the reason wings like drew's, tarragon, even the lunar wings exist is to give additional bonuses outside of saving accessory slots
zealous ridge
hovering would be odd on the celestial tracers, and i think that for a few reasons
firstly, auric tesla's carpet, which is literally a hover
although arguably its less viable because that's after flight time is expended
indigo fog
you can't use that unless your wings run out
zealous ridge
ye
indigo fog
it's pretty bad
ashen warren
who tf dodges by hovering
zealous ridge
auric tesla carpet starts working like a free hover
well its really only good for horizontal distance anyways
indigo fog
it works in some cases
ashen warren
whicy isn't even a problem in endgame
queen sail
Just gonna ask
zealous ridge
and it just makes the tracers the obvious choice if it were to get a hover
compared to drews
queen sail
Why does Auric Tesla have a hover
ashen warren
cuz it uses carpet in its recipe
queen sail
Weâve got enough movement
indigo fog
boots needed an accessory
queen sail
indigo fog
I really hope that suggestion gets edited
indigo fog
it doesnt
indigo fog
actually
it only has more flight time
Drew's wings should probably get a slight speed buff
just to be a better flight option than tracers
ashen warren
đ
ashen warren
i was reading the recent doc, and i seen that there is not contact damage of Scal's Brothers
teal ibex
that's because they could damage the player when they spawn in. they swoop across the screen
proud isle
the navy fishing rod is so op
zenith hazel
mfw navy fishing rod new meta
proud isle
it literally instakills desert scourge and eow in armageddon before they can attack
proud isle
yees
proud isle
it still instakills normal enemies though
it just happens to be op enough to instakill eow or desert scourge as soon as they get in range
keen geyser
I didnt even think of that
arctic wren
scal tier fishing rod when
kinda insane though that a fishing rod can insta kill certain bosses
ashen warren
fishing rod class when tbh
proud isle
it kills eoc in like 15 seconds
less if you try
it should have shadowspec bars added to the recipe and nerf the damage and then it will be balanced
ashen warren
UH
small talon
Inb4 someone makes a killing DoG with a fishing rod challenge
keen geyser
I dont play rev, dont know the hp pools
woeful ginkgo
nvm I made a mistake
keen geyser
Just make the multiplied damage from dots not work in your favour
keen geyser
Homestly looks more like a bug than a feature
proud isle
^
radiant meadow
I thought navy fishing rod did like 15-20 dps to eoc
proud isle
definitely not
karmic stone
I remember Navy doing 20something damage to stuff like zombies and the like, every few seconds
So this is just, wormsâ˘ď¸
ancient crow
its because it deals damage to every segment at once
which on a worm with a lot of segements means m a s s i v e damage
proud isle
the sparks do something weird and dupe and do obnoxious amounts of damage
radiant meadow
it should only spawn one per strike with the aura
but if a worm has 20 segments, then it'll spawn 20 sparks
proud isle
they do about 900 dps to the perforator
I think it's a problem with the large boss hitbox
small talon
it attacks thing each and every frame with the sparks doing like 8 damage each
so it does like 2000 dps vs a single target
and since worms are multiple targets they just die
proud isle
they just die
this is s controversial opinion and i assume I'll get a bunch of hate for saying this but, maaaaayyyyybe 2000dps is a tiny bit much for phm
radiant meadow
I'm looking into it
what the fuck
when did it get this strong
ye this is a bug
zealous ridge
karmic stone
proud isle
small talon
im gonna get a reaper shark necklace and attempt to kill dog with it quick before it gets fixed next update
proud isle
how much defense does d.o.g have
small talon
less than 100 i think
proud isle
thanks
sinful flax
Wait fishing rods do damage
runic heath
pre hm broken weapon this time instead of post polter pog
misty igloo
oop my bad i checked the doc but didnt see it
fervent citrus
Sooo i was trying to nohit EoC in dmode...
...and im using this strat with the slimy saddle
Prob is, i keep jumping to high and i end up in space and.... yeah
fervent citrus
Maybe raise the level at which the player takes damage in smaller worlds?
queen sail
What size is your world
fervent citrus
Small
radiant meadow
wdym raise the level?
queen sail
radiant meadow
small worlds are good tbh
fervent citrus
Basically, i cant use the saddle cause i reach space too easily
queen sail
You know how small those worlds are
fervent citrus
You use 200 ropes and vola
queen sail
Literally 100 rope to get to the main planetoid
fervent citrus
Death
So its kinda a big prob in small worlds
And i was thinking of suggesting the level at which the player takes dmg can be raised a littpe higher
Although i think thats kinda hard to code
radiant meadow
I think that's hardcoded
fervent citrus
Ye
radiant meadow
it's 25 blocks
potent veldt
This is probably going to be a don't, but screw it
Resprite the Golem.
Why?: I'm usually not one to call out something for resprite-needing, especially when it's something vanilla. But this is a special case, because if there's one boss that the devs of Terraria clearly worked on while sleeping is the Golem. It's so comically bad that the achievement you get for killing him is 10x better.
The trashheap in question:
https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/terraria_gamepedia/c/ce/Golem.png?version=00c29071bdc1a77afe09cee539c956e4
The achievement, for fun:
https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/terraria_gamepedia/d/d8/Achievement_Lihzahrdian_Idol.png?version=0545516426757a11ca67e9e89b2fe059
As this is an iffy suggestion due to it's nature, I'll leave it here for now
I'll throw it into officials if it doesn't get obvious backlash
tepid root
has calamity resprited any vanilla stuff yet
upbeat tapir
no
potent veldt
Don't believe so, no.
tepid root
yeah i think itd be kinda weird to repsrite golem only, of all things
swift wadi
Sounds like a texture pack thing to do
tepid root
and ^
upbeat tapir
yup
potent veldt
There is a Calamity Texturepack, but that hasn't done anything to Golem. And is "unofficial", but does a good job.
I just figured I'd make it a sugg idea because Golem is the worst sprite for anything in Vanilla.
tepid root
thats really subjective
upbeat tapir
yeh
swift wadi
Is it unofficial? Like sure the same people dont make it but I'm pretty sure Fab himself uses it
potent veldt
Lots of Vanilla stuff is garbage, but Golem's just garbage
Especially for coming after Plantera; a boss that doesn't look all that horrible
tired haven
I-i don't think calamity would implement golem resprite just for the sake of it
like, the furthest it did go is to report mixels on buff icons or smth
If you mean that suggestion for CTP then probably joining that server would be better since this suggestion room isn't that much associated with them
sand umbra
I agree with the idea behind this suggestion
potent veldt
Fair enough
sand umbra
because holy fuck Golem's sprite is an absolute meme
but also yeah texturepack would be a better place to assert this fact
potent veldt
The temple surrounding golem looks better than Golem lol
tired haven
somewhere here should be the joke about low quality drawings not being used in story progression, like in cartoons 
(tbh I still fail to see what's so notoriously bad about golem sprite but I'll blame that on me being ignorant to design)
sand umbra
it's mainly that the sprite suffers from a criminal lack of detail
especially compared to the complex and relatively nuanced Lihzahrd Bricks and such that surround poor Golem himself
upbeat tapir
i just hope journeys end does it so we dont have to complain
it wont
but i hope :'-(
sand umbra
there is some, but it isn't exactly ironed out and there are plenty of inconsistencies or parts that appear unfinished
I only care about this for the express purpose of him looking his Sunday best outside of the game, by the by
in-game I'm too busy dying fifty times to the Temple to give half a flying fuck how good Golem looks
tired haven
Hmm 
hallow hatch
Golem like
hallow hatch
Iirc stealth builds up while moving with certain accessories
zenith hazel
stealth is kinda absurdly powerful post-ML already
zenith hazel
yeah thatâs a problem
twilit warren
yeah i meant early game stealth in my suggestion, sorry
indigo fog
you should edit it
twilit warren
yep doing it
indigo fog
I'm pretty sure Mirage Mirror builds up stealth while moving
The best way to buff stealth early-game is to make it charge faster
I don't like standing still while i'm trying to not get hit
indigo fog
yeah you're right
twilit warren
yeah, but i don't really see myself using stealth in early pre-harmode anyway though, it's not that good with the extra 5 damage or so
indigo fog
I'm pretty sure early game weapons have special stealth strike attacks
there are also accessories like the sand cloak
twilit warren
oh, the sand cloak got added? I had no idea
twilit warren
yeah, the obsidian armour and gladiator armour haver that 100 stealth build-up that takes FOREVER, and not many accessories early on help
twilit warren
yeah exactly
split narwhal
silencing sheath is a thing, but it doesn't solve the problem really
twilit warren
hopefully they take the suggestion into consideration
indigo fog
Maybe edit it to just increase build up speed
that's the only thing that needs to change
twilit warren
alright then
twilit warren
i personally find it useless in most scenarios except post-moonlord
indigo fog
I think post-plantera stealth is fine because of abyss mirror
split narwhal
Just found out that invis pots gives 20% stealth regen when moving if holding a dagger
tired haven
The issue with just increasing stealth generation is that it will require nerfing the effects of such, otherwise we get even more op class in hands
indigo fog
true
split narwhal
but invis goes away if you get hit so like
tired haven
So it either would have to find that finnicky balance or...
split narwhal
twilit warren
i think they should just make a death mode or revengeance change to make stealth a little better in early pre-hardmode
that would be useful
indigo fog
what about normal and expert players
twilit warren
they have easier fights and they wouldnt be overpowered with the stealth
tired haven
Other classes don't have such arbitrary cases aside from mana overloader for mage I suppose, but it's just badly balanced
hallow hatch
Mana overloader đ¤Ž
twilit warren
stealth should have more accessories pre hardmode to make stealth better
and faster
split narwhal
@tired haven Mana overloader has gone from overpowered in the old calamity days to being useless in nowadays
twilit warren
R.I.P Mana Overloader
split narwhal
Back when lifesteal cap wasn't a thing
tired haven
It certainly isn't useless nowadays, not sure what you try to imply
It's vampire knives case: terrible damage output but incredible health crutch
Also, can bet you don't know that cap doesn't affect continious healing, only burst
twilit warren
vampire knives could beat any boss in the game in normal mode as long as you had about 5000 hours in your hands
split narwhal
I dunno, I find it rarely kicking in and the healing isn't that good imo
unless you are willing to use lesser mana pots
tired haven
If like 15-30hp/s is smol, then I dunno
twilit warren
i used vampire knives on yharon in my very first calamity playthrough and cheesed so hard
tepid root
indigo fog
can we go back to talking about buffing stealth
indigo fog
we still dont have a real solution to fixing pre-hm stealth
twilit warren
i previously stated that there should just be more accessories that improve stealth in early pre-hm
split narwhal
invis pots gives 20% stealth regen when moving if holding a dagger
indigo fog
why only if you're holding a dagger
split narwhal
But it's got it's own issues
twilit warren
Works if your a absolute god at dodging
split narwhal
Cause why not
indigo fog
thats not a good reason
split narwhal
invis pots give different bonuses depending on what type of rogue weapon you are holding
twilit warren
still, they only benefit good players, or just about 5 seconds until an average player gets hit
split narwhal
that's why I said they have their own issues
twilit warren
i'm probably below average and i'm probably never buying a invisi pot from Brewer in a playthrough
indigo fog
So is adding more early-game stealth accessories a good way to buff stealth?
split narwhal
The core mechanic needs to be changed
twilit warren
i think, because rogue isn't a class with many accesories, so you dont have many bonuses to stealth
split narwhal
Adding more accessories is like trying to cover it up
twilit warren
compared to other classes it doenst
indigo fog
it has more than ranged and mage
split narwhal
Summoner has way less accessories
indigo fog
good question
I suggested increasing stealth regeneration because that's easier than completely changing the core mechanic
there's not really much i can think of
split narwhal
I would say not getting hit for a while increases your stealth regen
indigo fog
for how long
twilit warren
maybe they should just scrap standing still always in pre-hm and just make it regen a little when moving [not too much though]
split narwhal
that's a 10% regen while moving
twilit warren
and the early versiuon upgrades into the later version
indigo fog
that would actually take forever to build up
split narwhal
not sure if it can be weaker than that without being completely useless
5% regen is like nothing
indigo fog
wait
twilit warren
hmm?
split narwhal
Toggle stealth you mean?
split narwhal
But imagine every single attack being a stealth strike
twilit warren
well that's a extra button to press all time, just for evry fight
split narwhal
completely busted
indigo fog
stealth would have to be nerfed completely for that to work
tired haven
there is a reason why mechanic like that was only present on lunar armor
indigo fog
I'm not sure what else you can do to change the core mechanic
twilit warren
i feel like stealth should just work like adrenaline in a way and just not make the player stand still until they get better gear
split narwhal
They decided to use shroomite like stealth instead of vortex stealth
twilit warren
stealth is just a really controversial topic right now. Hopefully an intellectual comes up with a good idea
split narwhal
It seems that we are not intellectuals
indigo fog
It's easier to just buff it early game because there's no way to really change the core mechanic
no ideas
split narwhal
Just making stealth build faster when standing still would be better
So you don't have to stand still for a solid 3 seconds
indigo fog
then the suggestion can stay as it is
It's a lot harder to think of a way to completely change the core mechanic
indigo fog
it's also easier to buff stealth than change the core mechanic
split narwhal
They come up with the mechanics
tired haven
Buffs to mechanics like that may come out as a mere bandaid, not a solution
twilit warren
so.......we're still waiting for that intellectual then
tired haven
Absolutely
(shamefully I'm not the one either because I keep craving for mana rework as well)
tepid root
twilit warren
oh well, the the intellectual shall come, as the prophecy foretold
prime elbow
what if stealth could also be built up by not being in line of sight of any enemies? like, is the line that intersects your location and an enemies location touching any non-glass tiles?
worthy fiber
Can you summon multiple sun spirits in this version of the mod?
uneven palm
I think not
zenith hazel
wdym by stacking mechanic?
worthy fiber
More resummons = higher damage
zenith hazel
also no, sirius does not give lower dps, to an extent
it's actually better to have 1 sirius + a few other minions than going pure minions
worthy fiber
The other staves though
zenith hazel
yeah I'm just pointing something out
uneven palm
But the Sun Spirit and Sun God does, I reckon
worthy fiber
Sun Spirit was fine outside bosses before ||wulfrum controllers|| existed
Since aerial defense didn't exist
uneven palm
Hasn't the spoiler period ended?
uneven palm
Yeah, true
low salmon
Wulfrum Controllers are ... op.
noble sonnet
so many spoilers
uneven palm
Aren't those bugged? The wiki states you can only summon one, but I summoned a lot yesterday
low salmon
Droids? or?
uneven palm
I mean the page itself for the weapon doesn't say it, but the minions page does
Yeah that one
uneven palm
Yeah
tepid root
wiki also says about the wulfrum droid "floats above player head"
worthy fiber
It doesn't
tepid root
worthy fiber
low salmon
It floats and then angrily floats at the enemy.
I just find it so weird they are basically a free light in the dungeon.
versed tundra
It floats in a menacing way
tepid root
think someone accidently wrote sun spirit notes in the wulfrum droid part
worthy fiber
wonder who
tepid root
uneven palm
Also just to make it clear, with my suggestsions I only meant that the Sun Spirit and Sun God needed that feature to be more interesting and viable, NOT Sirius, that staff is good how it is
keen geyser
wait hornets move like that?
radiant meadow
Yes
low salmon
Would it be too much ask to remove most of the Wulfrum Droid's laser lifetime? 
The aftereffect thing. Since my overworld looks like I went around with fullbright.
radiant meadow
It can be shortened
radiant meadow
It is the same as wulfrum staff
tepid root
ive never actually used wulfrum staff byeah
hollow saffron
Give Conclave Crossfire the Impaler treatment
Reason: Currently the availability of the CC right after obtaining the Tactical Shotgun pretty much invalidates the latter weapon except for crafting the CC. If it were moved further in the progression tree, it could mean the TS could get some more use. This is similar to how the Impaler received this treatment in order to give the Stake Launcher more use.
P.S. The Conference Call would also be moved to post-Golem as well
repost from me
radiant meadow
I think that'd be a blue check
hollow saffron
old repost, just wanted to clarify that this hasn't yet been a thing
opal barn
from: XultroniX#5965 conclave crossfire
hollow saffron
radiant meadow
radiant meadow
It'll be a blue check
void kelp
@uneven palm you can probably also add some reasoning including like âit seems counter-intuitive that summoning this minion several times doesnât stack its powerâ
uneven palm
With Sirius and this new mechanic added, it would seem to be a waste not adding it to these weapons also.
Would you like this or yours?
@void kelp
radiant meadow
Sirius was already ass to program tbh
uneven palm
But wouldn't it be easier now that you have written that part of the script?
I'd assume you gotta change how the damage works, 'cuz of the explosions of Sirius
hollow saffron
smh it's not just a matter of copypaste
uneven palm
I know
hollow saffron
at least that's what i would assume
uneven palm
Yeah, I was studying for 3 years to be a programmer, so I'm not saying it would be easy, I'm saying it would be easier than the last
void kelp
tbh I donât know what the coding hell wouldâve been if itâs like an incremental growth or not
radiant meadow
I also don't see it as necessary
uneven palm
yeah, with the ways the weapon works I'd imagine it wouldn't be a... happy time đ
void kelp
ngl... I thought sun spirit / god worked like that because when you used it several times over it would de summon your other summons
keen geyser
honestly agreed
radiant meadow
And we really need a new summon for the starter bag
uneven palm
well yeah, that was the starting point of my idea
radiant meadow
Like grasshoppers or something
uneven palm
because with those drones, the sun spirit staff is kinda worthless
radiant meadow
I may request sprites soon for critter staff
keen geyser
ooh
uneven palm
Another thing on my mind whilst playing through death mode again with my pals was:
Could we get more dragon types of summons, like the stardust dragon or the mechworm?
We could get one from the perforators, one from destroyer, one from EoW and one from both Scurges (desert/ocean)
-It wouldn't be much spritework for the most part
-It would give more variety
-I'd assume the coding part wouldn't be too hard either if we wouldn't have any special mechanics for them (and that wouldn't be a problem IMO)
worthy fiber
Y'know how buggy mechworm is?
keen geyser
I don't think anyone wants to code another mechworm
uneven palm
I didn't actually notice
worthy fiber
Especially on multiplayer
worthy fiber
One of its segments attaches to giant sparks of light
You get giant worm slice on your screen
uneven palm
well, that seems bad
keen geyser
nobody wants more mechworms
ashen warren
does that still happen after the attempted fixes that were in this patch?
uneven palm
maybe one day if it gets fixed đ
worthy fiber
Haven't checked for this patch
ashen warren
only thing i see there is spacing issues where the worm still separates, the other issues may well be fixed đ¤
keen geyser
perhaps
I shouldn't judge until I test it myself
I just saw a mechworm bug in bugs and autofilled it
Slightly buff Sun Spirit staff
Now that Wulfrum Droids are a thing, Sun Spirit staff is just not worth getting as the Droids just do more damage, attack faster and you can have multiples of them.
I suggest increasing the on fire chance or attack speed. Hell, even increase the pierce a tiny bit.
As a wise man once said, "Sun spirit staff should be an alternative to Droids, not an upgrade or a downgrade"
keen geyser
Alright
lost agate
(you should probably mention why sun staff needs the buff rather than droids needing a nerf)
keen geyser
Figured I'd just jump into making one, in case
Also, even prior to sun spirit, it was still kinda lackluster
radiant meadow
Sun spirit piercing is infinite
keen geyser
what
radiant meadow
It uses the heat ray projectile
keen geyser
huh
radiant meadow
timeLeft is greatly shortened I think
keen geyser
I swear to god it didn't pierce through ds
distant gyro
easy solution to buffing sun spirit staff; half its usetime
radiant meadow
Half the firing cooldown you mean?
distant gyro
nope; simply usetime
that means you get more damage if and only if you actively use the staff
(since it respawns and refires everytime you use the item)
keen geyser
Seems that I'm just blind, mb on the pierce thing
uneven palm
@distant gyro I didn't even know that was a thing, but I love the idea and it would certainly make the early game of summoners a lot more interresting
hollow saffron
pencil located
frosty dagger
Wulfrum drone powercreeps every other pre boss summon, and you start with it
Needs a nerf
terse sundial
again, I'll look into it
dunno if it was buffed since we last tested it, but I'll read into it
distant gyro
yea imo it had a lackluster performance even with a batt
I'd still take 1 spirit 1 slime for DS and 2 slimes for KS
gusty geode
I still don't think Stealth can be made to work in boss fights without a ridiculous amount of work
hallow kraken
To be fair, I feel like rogue stealth works really well with the scarlet devil
Being rather than stealth for some weird other attack thatâs a dps loss anyways, itâs to boost a certain other stat
It makes scarlet devil somewhat fun to use with stealth
agile cloud
Epic repost from a year or so ago that didnt get 90 stars
Pins
A pre-hardmode equivalent to the emblems
Ranger Pin Crafted from 3 gold/platinum bars and 5 iron/lead bars + Any ranged weapon locked behind EoC
Warrior Pin Crafted from 3 gold/platinum bars and 5 iron/lead bars + Any melee weapon locked behind EoC
Mage pin Crafted from 3 gold/platinum bars and 5 iron/lead bars + Any mage weapon
locked behind EoC
Summoner pin Crafted from 3 gold/platinum bars and 5 iron/lead bars + Any summon weapon locked behind EoC (Sentries count)
Rogue pin Crafted from 3 gold/platinum bars and 5 iron/lead bars + Any rogue weapon locked behind EoC
All pins give +5% Damage to their respective classes.
This any good?
distant gyro
looks like a specific item(s) sug
ashen warren
you could condense that down into a general format instead of listing each pin individually 
hollow shell
Yeah this would be a specific item suggestion now
agile cloud
so leave it here to decay?
hollow shell
You could reword it more generally to be like "Add weaker class emblem equivalents earlier in the game, and etc etc"
You'd need to provide good reason for it
agile cloud
Ok
gusty geode
I personally never liked the idea of being forced encouraged to choose a class immediately after starting
sand umbra
I don't like the idea of more class accessories that are just the same thing but for each class
Class Emblems from WoF are currently unique in that respect and personally I'd prefer they stay that way
zealous ridge
hi im baaack
i was thinking about the recent items added post-polterghast, and i noticed a lot of them require ruinous souls, alongside some other easier materials. This is odd to me, because despite there being much more to use ruinous souls for, including an entire item set, bricks, 2 armor sets, a decent amount of standalone items, and even some post-dog content, there's a new problem with this phase of the game- you need to refight polter a LOT in order to get the respective items you need. nevermind the armor, you have to devote time to a ton of weapons now too. i was thinking about suggesting either another way to obtain ruinous souls post-polter, or to have polter drop more of them to lower the amount of times you have to fight him.
because like, im looking at the drop rates and, if you're unlucky, you really can only get 1-3 weapons out of a polter kill, and if you're lucky 3-4 weapons and maybe an armor piece
this seems it would add up to maybe... 5+ kills before you get everything you want?
idk depends on your class and other factors i suppose
any thoughts?
hollow shell
Yeah, you could suggest that the drop amount get raised
zealous ridge
its a similar problem to DoG's cosmilite drops, i think
tired haven
(time to buff phantom spirits but let them drop a few) 
zealous ridge
i wasnt even thinking that lul
agile cloud
Actually, having phantom spirits get buffed post polter, but have them drop ruinous souls is genius
tired haven
tbh I'm real turned on putting additional loot on enemies because calamity relies heavily on bosses currently
hollow shell
indeed
zealous ridge
better yet, add new enemies after polter
hollow shell
having post-Polter dungeon content is a good idea
considering
Polterghast is basically the Dungeon boss
sand umbra
better yet, add new enemies to the post-ML Dungeon at all
tired haven
New enemies are good and all but waiting half a year for sprites is 
hollow shell
Skeletron lets you in, yes
but Polterghast embodies, like
all the post-Plantera dungeon shit
zealous ridge
yeah spriting is the biggest block i feel
but like, i just imagine things like the superhardmode dungeon and how cool that was and think "that would be awesome in calamity"
like, maybe new stratus-themed enemies?
because stratus brick is pretty cool and it matches polterghast's colors kind of
ancient crow
i just think the stratus furniture should have a crafting station
ancient widget
