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sand umbra
shell lynx
Ok thank you
queen sail
Completely revamps the game p much
hearty plaza
ashen warren
the year is 2020 and people still act like maso is just debuff meme 
swift bison
because it is :echceasebegone:
ashen warren
i will fight you in other mod talk
queen sail
Tbf Terry if debuffs are a major part of maso and it’s present at the very beginning of the game that’s probably all people will remember it for
open sphinx
would it be a bad idea to ask for nanotech to be crafted with vampiric talisman
frail mantle
Vampiric Talisman is meant to be its own thing afaik
radiant meadow
and nanotech with more healing cannot possibly be a good thing for balance
sand umbra
also ||Nanotech literally just got nerfed to hell||
frail mantle
besides giving nanotech VT would make it even more dummy thicc recipe and functionality wise
sand umbra
so like that's a thing
tired haven
||oh if something it would be nerfed to hell again|| 
Given the quality of nanotech materials i predict that
open sphinx
oh ok
gusty geode
So
What exactly would be considered "too similar to maso"
I realize auras or similar mechanics are probably off the table
But what else is there?
frail mantle
things that exist in Maso already are probably off-limits
gusty geode
So
I'm gonna take a shot at a few possible changes
frail mantle
ballistic poison bomb doesn't really have anything in common with Seafoam Bomb though
except for both being bombs
frail mantle
yes and that's where the similarities stop
remember, not everything needs an upgrade
radiant meadow
didn't I already do that?
radiant meadow
are you on the latest update?
still cliff
Yes
ashen warren
it definitely looks like poison bomb has seafoam in it's recipe already
gusty geode
Death Mode Enemy Changes
Dried Seekers spawn in the desert during the night, making passing through it more hazardous.
Despair Stones create explosions that inflict Brimstone Flames on impact with a block.
While a Cloud Elemental is active, lightning strikes occur much more frequently and can occur when it's not raining.
Stormlions can shoot small volleys of the same projectiles Cnidrions can.
ashen warren
the wiki takes time to update, especially with such a large update having been released
still cliff
Alright
My apologies then
frail mantle
more worms in the Desert early game
:terror:
Tomb Crawlers are already absolute shitpiss to deal with
gusty geode
Dried Seekers are also tiny and weak
So
And they only spawn at night
So just pass through during the day
frail mantle
yes but still
still cliff
An other question:
Why did they remove the healing from the nurse in Death mode while a boss is alive?
gusty geode
To prevent cheese most likely
frail mantle
^
still cliff
Ok
gusty geode
How are the other changes btw
frail mantle
the others seem fine
not sure how much the Stormlion would help, since the Cnidrion Attack is made for an enemy that travels through blocks and therefore has an easier time actually posing a threat with that attack
hollow shell
It'd make more sense for Stormlions to do something electric-y than water-y
frail mantle
yea
gusty geode
Yes please
A thousand times yes
indigo fog
calamity post-ML is fine as it is
sand umbra
hard disagree
although I've covered the subject a dozen times; I'm in no mood to make it 13
tired haven
The feeling in the suggestion is not incorrect but the suggestion itself is kinda, well, too vague
So le shrug
queen sail
Grammar errors
radiant meadow
if it's in changelogs, that means it's going to be implemented 
night cradle
The check (if you mean ✅) was for if things were already tested or not
potent veldt
Why would that matter to anyone else but the dev team, though
And if things aren't tested, they usually make sure people know
Like with this update
small talon
highly agree with more nonboss content post ml, I feel ML should provide something more like WoF amount of content with how important of a boss
radiant meadow
xeroc pitchforks are rogue
and daybreak is melee
while daybreak may need a buff, this is a pretty bad comparison
tired haven
also suggestion deliberately misses up to 800 dps DoT of daybreak
It doesn't make daybreak any viable but that's too important detail to miss out
sand umbra
mfw suggestion completely misses the purpose of Daybreak
which is to inflict a mighty yet currently super underwhelming DoT
indigo fog
DoT?
tired haven
Damage over Time debuff
indigo fog
forgot daybroken was buffed in calamity
radiant meadow
it's not
tired haven
(actually now that i look at it, this feels like "fun fact from wiki" suggestion)
It wasn't
hollow shell
@ashen warren is that a boss suggestion?
woeful ginkgo
up to you but I highly recommend testing the weapons you are talking about in-game against fast bosses such as twins
ashen warren
Hmm. No specific idea yet but Moon lord is the only boss or even npc of that style
hollow shell
It is indeed non-specific however you are asking that new boss be added
which isn't allowed
ashen warren
Didn't know this
hollow shell
see: Rules pinned in #suggestions-voting
and also the Don'ts doc pinned in both channels
tired haven
Well, technically it is boss suggestion because no current bosses can be redone to bg type
potent veldt
Why does absolutely no one ever read pins
ashen warren
I definitely agree with the whole content thing. The majority of the mod does feel like a boss rush and I feel like there should be more to do.
potent veldt
I wouldnt totally agree
There's a lot of bosses, but it's worth mentioning a handful of them are optional
Although I will absolutely agree that Post-ML bosses are definitely a boss rush
ashen warren
Even more reason to add more non-boss content. Terraria itself kinda suffers the same thing at times.
potent veldt
Terraria itself suffers this
This is simply not true.
ashen warren
At times.
And only slightly
For the second time
Either way, still needs something else to do, so I gave it a star
zealous ridge
eh id say vanilla suffers somewhat from the boss rush aspect
however, there are signifigant parts of the playthrough that really dont feel like that
like all of prehardmode is not really a boss rush
its really only until 1.2+ content gets added into the equation, that's where it starts to feel more like "beat boss, get gear for next boss, repeat"
at least, that's how i feel about it
woeful ginkgo
but the thing with vanilla is how so many gears are locked behind plantera
zealous ridge
yeah, that's what im talking about
woeful ginkgo
ectoplasm is ridiculous
zealous ridge
you're cut off from progressing because of a boss
sometimes literally by the mechanics of the game
in pre-hm, you dont have to kill eoc to break shadow orbs
woeful ginkgo
it's used for spectre bars, the 2 moons and even more in calamity
ashen warren
Pre hardmode for both terraria and calamity are fine. But after a certain point, all it is: Kill boss, get new material, make next gear set, kill next boss, rinse and repeat
Now don't get me wrong, this isn't necessarily bad, it just gets monotonous
zealous ridge
yeah, it isnt the worst thing ever
ashen warren
It's still super fun and epic
zealous ridge
but it ends up feeling kind of... boring late game
ashen warren
Yep
zealous ridge
like really the only thing that can challenge you is one boss
and, i do agree there could be more done to help that aspect of calamity out
like, what if obtaining bloodstone wasn't as simple as killing providence? maybe it would help if you got providence gear, but maybe bloodstone dropping would be a seperate event
maybe you have to sacrifice blood orbs to an altar in hell
and that altar only activates post-ml and is really hard to get without something like... providence's shield/wings
ashen warren
Or make said altar to transmute it
zealous ridge
furthermore, we could make this into a bigger mechanic
maybe the altar is in a massive brimstone castle above the crags in the caves, and you get to traverse it in hm, but really enter it's depths post-ml
ashen warren
Another idea I thought of was, we always read about the things that Yharim has done to the world
Maybe new events that could ultimately lead to the terrarian(player) fixing or remedying these issues
zealous ridge
indeed
there are a lot of ways to go about it, though
so i won't really nag anyone to implement these ideas
but i only hope that it be remedied somewhat
and i certainly think its being worked on, there may just be other things to worry about on the dev's side
versed tundra
I guess the bulk of Calamity's progression if you removed the bosses would be the new biomes
Something that is only unlocked and/or appears and/or has means of surviving it after Moon Lord would perfectly answer the problem of post-ML feeling like a boss rush.
I guess it doesn't have to be bosses though: if you do something like plague enemies or post-plantera dungeon enemies, only in a different biome, that could mean a lot more progression through farming mobs in one area.
I know there's Providence's minions but they don't feel that great to me yet:
One is a damage sponge that will fuck you up if you stand on the same altitude as him, but not do anything as long as you fly.
One is a passive homing missile turret that takes a lot of attention to dodge and the only one you'll want to farm for for a specific drop (turret summon).
One is a turret that makes the most obnoxious projectiles in the entire non-boss roster. Thoses big flames take ages to disappear and the smaller flames they spawn are super fast and homing. The only safe spot on screen, once again is any spot too high for it to reach you.
I don't know what exactly I would propose if it were only up to me and everything was fair game.
hallow kraken
Reduce the amount of fast charges deathmode yharon does in subphase 3
Do you like getting hit by attacks that seem unavoidable? Well boy, this boss really is for you. Yharon travels at practical light speeds during fast charges, and deathmode changes the subphase so that yharon almost always does them. This combination results in the following event for almost every time he charges:
-Yharon charges once. You dodge it, but Yharon is very close to you.
-Less than a second after the first charge, he does it again. He’s too close to you, so you can’t avoid. Half of your health is gone.
And I didn’t even mention the other obstacles this feathered good-boy throws in your way, specifically the tornadoes that block so much of your dodging space. Seriously, this subphase needs to be fixed in deathmode, please.
hallow hatch
Nah
sand umbra
can we just talk about how all of Yharons 'nadoes eat like half your arena space
hallow hatch
Eh
tired haven
Fun story time: dodging 4 long dashes of yharon is easier than 2 short then 2 long 
radiant meadow
depends on what you're more used to
tired haven
Because once you position yourself at half the length of long dash, yharon just keeps swinging like metronome
radiant meadow
both are fairly easy to dodge if you're prepared and know what to do
ashen warren
Best thing I've found to do is use the ninja belt thing and discord rod
zealous ridge
i understand it might be frustrating but we can be more civil about this
hallow kraken
Let’s count every time he edits the sug to underline something
sand umbra
this person is super angry and shouty and I'm scared .n.;
zealous ridge
velvet lynx
being a dick is not illegal and people on calamity mod talk drive me insane with their logic like holy shit
zealous ridge
okay but like
quick ice
you should still try to be a little more civilized with this
velvet lynx
not like i insulted them
cobalt rose
just because something isnt illegal doesnt mean its okay to do
vocal grotto
You should try to maintain an air of professionalism in the suggestion channel though.
hallow kraken
This is #suggestions-voting
quick ice
it's a suggestion, you're trying to convince 88 People and some devs to implement your suggestion
zealous ridge
being not nice about it isnt gonna be like helpful and make me wanna vote for it
sand umbra
this is suggestions
you gotta keep a cool head with a sugg or it will not go anywhere
velvet lynx
well i did suggest something, i see no problem with it
lost agate
Oh dear
cobalt rose
it is grammatically incomplete
vocal grotto
Now, "people on calamity mod talk drive me insane with their logic like holy shit" IS insulting. You're portraying a whole mass based on a couple of people.
hallow kraken
This can literally be a copypasta
quick ice
for future reference, I'd try and keep the tone of the message a bit more professional
that and provide the other side of the arguement when you're using an "Either" statement
tired haven
snap Yep, this goes into my folder of hottest memes
zealous ridge
hollow shell
Well
you need to have a reason
The reason shouldn't be that emotionally charged, though
velvet lynx
i do have a reason, i literally died twice while exploring a frozen cave, i was like wtf why do i die, and then i realized an external factor ouside the cave killed me, i proceed to discuss it with people and they say "oh yeah its perfectly fine i see no problem how a blizzard can kill you when you arent even inside it"
hollow shell
Alright
You could try to voice that in-game situation in your suggestion
because I didn't pick up on that...
quick ice
oh yeah, just an issue with making that a constant thing
People don't really want to have a warmth potion or a campfire on them at all times just to loot the Ice Biome
quick ice
also how far down are you? Are you in the underground (Close to surface Ice Caves) or are you in the full on caverns (Deep-Deep Ice Biome)
velvet lynx
im deep enough where minecart trails spawn and houses do too
isnt that deep enough, is that even considered surface?
radiant meadow
it doesn't check for height
it checks if you're in front of a wall or not though
I can make it check for height
velvet lynx
yeah, there are no walls in the underground
tired haven
Well, since caves do not have walls, that's what causes it
lost agate
Well walls are kinda lacking down there sometimes
quick ice
checking for height would probably work
tired haven
It should check for both
lost agate
Well, almost all the time
radiant meadow
this is more of a bug fix rather than a suggestion
lost agate
Ye
velvet lynx
Yeah, and it bothered me that people considered that normal, but eh im over it
lost agate
I just misunderstood you
velvet lynx
i was literally going insane after 5 different people said the exact same thing
radiant meadow
animal cages require sprites
velvet lynx
im pretty sure i was like 3 more
karmic stone
Would a piggy cage still count as a patreon item h
quick ice
@bronze abyss just a thought, but maybe add some reasoning to your suggestion
do something along the lines of "Give the Piggy a golden variant, most other critters have these so the Piggy shouldn't be an exception"
hollow shell
Give a reason, yes
bronze abyss
may i copy and paste your explanation as its kinda perfect
quick ice
go for it
bronze abyss
just would make it bigger collectable
radiant meadow
did I really make it sell for that much?
I think I wanted to encourage catching over senseless violence
ashen warren
GOD
quick ice
if Piggy got a Golden Variant we may as well add a Sunken Sea Critter golden variant
also yeah, Piggy should get toned down to only a little more than what it drops on death (Just my opinion)
radiant meadow
I may lower it to 20 gold
hollow shell
It should drop like 1 gold and sell for 3 or 5 gold
10 gold is way too much for early game
50 gold is ridiculous 
bronze abyss
maybe make it 50 gold for the golden variant xd
radiant meadow
economy crasher is great
bronze abyss
well gold variants are obv more rare and if you kill the pig he drops 9-18 gold from my experience rougly
radiant meadow
no because it's a bug fix and their message is still kinda unclear
like they don't specify the issues is that it doesn't check if you're underground
in fact, I didn't even know he was underground til he mentioned minecarts
quick ice
awesome, and could the blocks also be changed?
hollow idol
I thought the original purpose of the worn down version was to be for the crags while the polished version would be crafted n all
same for the ashen chests
quick ice
Ashen Chests don't work for being locked iirc, so I didn't add those to the sugg
radiant meadow
the furniture should be ancient furniture
hollow shell
Ancient furniture makes sense cuz it's all busted
radiant meadow
chests are annoying to code
I think the housing material is fine as it is
brimstone slag
hollow shell
I assumed the reason they're just made of slag was because they're so incinerated that they just got completely turned to unrecognizable rock mush
(probably)
quick ice
alright, could a slag wall be used in place of the Obsidian Walls then?
cause those are the main thing that stands out in those houses
lyric citrus
baguette should be a melee weapon made from shadowspec
ancient crow
bonk
radiant meadow
no
bronze abyss
you should read the pins in suggestions channel
lyric citrus
yeah that’s why i’m not putting it in #suggestions-voting
you guys have no sense of humor
radiant meadow
- meme suggestions aren't allowed
- shadowspec is not allowed
- baguette is a patron item
quick ice
¯_(ツ)_/¯
void kelp
they’ve never been in gentalk
quick ice
guess he's gone
void kelp
aka there’s places to be joking and places to be serious
bronze abyss
general chat exists too
swift bison
it would be pretty funny if right clicking with baguette caused you to swing it for one damage
quick ice
let's get Thomas to do it in EE
swift bison
why do that when we can do it ourselves?
radiant meadow
let me redirect you to cal mod talk at this point
radiant meadow
yes
void kelp
I believe they are yeah
hollow shell
They are
quick ice
Change the moderator viewed notice for suggestions:
To elaborate since the naming for this is pretty vague, instead of using a ❕ to show that a moderator hasn't seen a suggestion, have a moderator react with a different symbol to show they've seen and approved the suggestion.
Why?: This would stop people from using the ❕ as a negative reaction for suggestions, which despite it being in the pins people continue to do.
thoughts on this suggestion?
void kelp
❕ doesn’t just mean a mod hasn’t seen it, it also means it hasn’t been approved
hollow shell
Eh
I prefer it in the current system, even if people use it like a dislike button
I like valid suggestions being clean with just the star, and the ! is a good indicator that the suggestion is currently in a questionable state
cobalt rose
the pins also say "do not touch this reaction"
split narwhal
I think it's fine as is
quick ice
they do, which is why I mentioned how people continue to use it as a dislike button despite it being in the pins
prime elbow
maybe make a dislike button?
quick ice
the ❕ is the invalid button
hollow shell
I use ❕ as an invalidity button :P
void kelp
I also use ❕ as a “this suggestion is like, super invalid”
hollow shell
It's not often that a suggestion is "bad" while also being valid
Usually the badness coincides with invalidity
radiant meadow
then I think a suggestion is valid so I remove the ❕ and then Rover just adds it himself
hollow shell
y'all other mods need to be more attentive to the rules n' donts
radiant meadow
well, it's happened enough to discourage me from messing with the reactions sometimes
hollow shell
Understandable
charred zenith
is there a way to disable the right click mode for crystl crusher
keen geyser
why keep it in your hotbar when you're not using it
cobalt rose
oh god
this argument again
tired haven
Because 90% of players keep their pickaxes in hotbar
bronze abyss
^
keen geyser
well yes
sand umbra
mhm
keen geyser
but it's the crystyl crusher
sand umbra
it's a very normal thing to have your pickaxe in your hotbar
regardless of what pickaxe it is
charred zenith
ive like already deleted several chests with it
keen geyser
idk, I'd use a blossom pick in my hotbar and just swap it with crystyl when I need it
sand umbra
that's you
keen geyser
well, yeah
tired haven
Call that the inertia to put potentially lethal pickaxe in the same slot but that's how it goes for most people
sand umbra
that's not the majority of players, many of whom are likely newer to the mod and don't know that Crystyl Crusher has a right click that shits all over everything on the immediate screen
because guess what you also use right-click to do by default?
keen geyser
iirc they had plans to make it a hold to charge thing
sand umbra
that'd be one solution
keen geyser
like last prism
charred zenith
that makes better
sand umbra
if alt functions weren't a meme
byeah, uh
right-click, which is often used for alt functions
is also conveniently used for interacting and/or opening just about everything
hollow shell
We tried to make Crystyl less easily accidentally used but Terraria said "fuck you"
ancient crow
tries to talk to merchant woops there goes half my house
ancient crow
i just keep mine in magic storage and take it out when i need it
charred zenith
i like the reach
sand umbra
honestly, it's really hard to put limitations on the right-click the way you would primary fire
namely because right-click is unaffected by item.channel/player.channel
keen geyser
redcode
sand umbra
which are two of the most important things used to create just about any channeled ability
hollow shell
I still feel like there are other solutions
but having a channeled charge would have been the best one
sand umbra
mhm
but alas, this is Terraria, where the best solution is hardly ever the easiest one
hallow hatch
prime elbow
here have my solution to the issue
hollow shell
"Swap some items alt-fires for toggles between main fire being main and main fire being alt."
What?
prime elbow
yep
charred zenith
wot about make a toggle mode for crystl crusher where you have to hold down another key to right click
prime elbow
right click is a toggle
tired haven
Pretty sure they mean something like Aethers whisper
small talon
I think means as if you click the button (right click) it changes the left click button to do an alternative attack, right click to alternate again
tired haven
Hmm, I might be confusing it with smth then
small talon
If that is what he means, and it is possible, that would be nice
prime elbow
yes, right click toggles left click function
tired haven
Thorium certainly had an example of that
charred zenith
something like it only works in smart cursor but the smart cursor is another mode and it doesnt kill everything when you hold a pickaxe
hollow shell
Yes, that concept is something I agree with
I just feel like it could be worded better in your main line . _.
prime elbow
should I see if I can word it better?
sand umbra
probably referring to things like Thor's Hammer from Thorium and the various melee-throwing toggle right-clicks that Fargo's adds
tired haven
I'd go ahead though and ask: would we get the situation when people thought crystyl is in regular mode, try to mine a single block and see part of their base goen because it was alt?
tired haven
mmm, what?
hollow shell
Thor's Hammer
tired haven
Oh, hmm
sand umbra
...I...actually don't know
prime elbow
when its in your hand
sand umbra
I wager it's just the normal alt function memes
prime elbow
which is why an indicator would be good
hollow shell
Thorium wiki says its in the inventory
tired haven
It probably is in hand because right clicking in inventory doesn't seem possible?
hollow shell
Except...
prime elbow
treasure bags
distant gyro
(idk why FSC is being referred here; it already has an alternate fire for one, and reduced lifespan is to make up for how much faster it can clog up the projectile limit)
hollow shell
Worse comes to worst we can just make Crystyl do the inventory thing
prime elbow
I want a normal flaregun functionality
hollow shell
It's not elegant but it's better than deleting your house
hollow shell
(that is, meaning it also has the charge-up effect)
prime elbow
no
ashen warren
Giving Crystyl an alt fire complicated everything
hollow shell
yeah...
ashen warren
I came here to report this because I didn’t know where else to: Ultimus Cleaver is no longer true melee, but it still gets true melee buffs. Just thought it should be said
ashen warren
Yay oversights
tired haven
Just like dragon pow back then
prime elbow
gilded dagger rotation issue is the only oversight that matters
sand umbra
wait, so then isn't it in literally the same spot it's been in for the better part of a year
tired haven
It is? I believe
radiant meadow
ultimus cleaver receiving true melee boosts is intentional
sand umbra
yeah I'm pretty sure we discussed this months ago
the conclusion was that it was intentional and probably wasn't changing
prime elbow
Im too busy abusing needler prehardmode because masoEX spawns moss hornets upon hitting a tree
zealous ridge
sand umbra
if I wasn't 101% certain I'd get torn a new fucking asshole for bringing it up again I'd sugg Ultimus Cleaver getting moved out of true melee status again
radiant meadow
good thing you're sure
ashen warren
I don’t know why it’s in there to begin with
split narwhal
Inferna cutter falls in the same spot
radiant meadow
and while I'm add it, maybe I should fix that needler thing
zealous ridge
it works sort of like the inferna cutter, the way i see it, yeah
prime elbow
nooo
sand umbra
I mean tbf Inferna Cutter's sparks are literally complete inconsequential to the performance of the weapon so I honestly don't care
prime elbow
its my only hope for masoEX deathmode armageddon defiled
ashen warren
MEDAD
sand umbra
for the simple reason that Inferna Cutter itself is outclassed for combat purposes by the thing it's made from, as far as I'm aware
Inferna Cutter gets Axe of Purity treatment when iirc
split narwhal
Inferna cutter is like butcher's chainsaw
ashen warren
I think the situation with Ultimus Cleaver is funnier because it sprays the entire screen with homing projectiles but is also true melee
split narwhal
It's more of a tool than a weapon
hollow shell
"True" melee means nothing anymore
The intentional inclusion of Ultimus Cleaver has made the designation now arbitrary
ashen warren
A lot like when the Lacerator when it was named “Unviable”
split narwhal
But old ultimus was even worse
hollow shell
It tried. It was unique
split narwhal
Basically unusable
hollow shell
Function belonged in pre-HM though
sand umbra
I honestly like the idea of old Ultimus
I just think it belonged somewhere else, on something else
it suited a mage weapon more than a melee weapon, to be honest
hollow shell
Grinding a blade into the ground to release sparks?
sand umbra
was it even visibly touching the ground animation-wise
split narwhal
The only bosses I can see old ultimus do work against is ground based bosses
hollow shell
It could be aimed in any direction
but... it was supposed to be into the ground :|
split narwhal
otherwise it does basically nothing
ashen warren
Just read the description, honestly sounded like a late PreHM upgrade to the Wand of Sparking
split narwhal
at least the new ultimus is usable
sand umbra
"supposed to be" and "was" are two different playing fields, unfortunately
hollow shell
It's usable, yeah.
It creates many projectiles. A wide spread. Over a decently large area.
True melee.
sand umbra
true melee, everybody
ashen warren
it murders Fishron tho
sand umbra
everything murders Fish Dukeron so like
ashen warren
It plus adrenaline legit skipped phase three and just killed him
radiant meadow
still?
ashen warren
Yep
radiant meadow
in rev?
ashen warren
Yeh
radiant meadow
well, there's a reason ravager is post fishron tiering wise
split narwhal
W/fungal symbiote or no?
ashen warren
Honestly dunno b/c I didn’t know it was “true” melee
hollow shell
Truest melee
sand umbra
mfw Ravager and Fishron are actually on about the same playing field
and then you have PBG who is apparently pre-both of them
ashen warren
Truest melee is a copper shortsword
gusty geode
Area between Plant and ML is in general kinda crowded
ashen warren
CrabBar intensifies
zealous ridge
pbg was pretty scary to fight for me
ashen warren
I still hate the diagonal charges
zealous ridge
idk if he took the most attempts but it certainly felt like he did
sand umbra
there's already going to be a 100% changelog eventually
maiden eagle
Oh, neat
split narwhal
Just play and experience for yourself
ashen warren
what if changelog and additionlog were different
swift wadi
Ozzatron makes the changelogs with every change, but it will take a month or so for it to come out because this update is massive
split narwhal
Also my badge of bravery/necklace of vexation got in so yay
swift wadi
And he's busy doing other dev things aswell
radiant meadow
@maiden eagle
I deliver to you ||https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tH3MaoAH9fQ14eaOlnDSaVt4kF4CpE3HIwwzk6rD-D4/edit?usp=sharing||
it's not perfect
but it has a lot of it
hallow hatch
P90 and winters fury needed hard ;((
distant gyro
sharing before spoiler grace period ends .,.,.,.;.;.
distant gyro
it is made to be public after grace because things change in public after I account the changes in beta vers
Like permanent confusion while not flipped with ml lore is scrapped
potent veldt
Nice sugg, whoever that was
terse sundial
@patent kelp can you not make meme suggestions or ask directly for the source code
terse sundial
we log deleted messages btw
potent veldt
And if it were serious, that just aint happenin
swift bison
Are message edits logged?
terse sundial
no
swift bison
k
good to know all my typos haven't been saved for all to see
hollow shell
sand umbra
well this isn't the channel to complain
void kelp
then why are you in suggestion discussion
red mist
I like that emote
sand umbra
this channel is for complaining about things that are being suggested about. NONE ELSE
(probably)
ashen warren
Ultimus Cleaver being true melee intensifies
void kelp
I don’t know why it’s true melee aside from “fab wanted it to be”
ashen warren
Arbitrary arbitrations are arbitrary
sand umbra
that's the whole reason
this discussion was had several months ago
nothing came of it
Ultimus Cleaver is still in the exact same position it has been in for over half a year and at this point I don't care to press for it being changed
now then
red mist
does anyone want to explain that to me cause I have no idea what that weapon is
hollow shell
red mist
change the texture and that could be a gun in my mind
hollow shell
Flings out a ton of sparks on swing but it does it in a way that's internally unique in comparison to most other projectile swords
so the automatic True Melee detection didn't detect it
and the devs decided to not manually define it as being not True Melee because reasons
swift bison
how does it look like a gun?
hollow shell
reread, Seraph.
red mist
oh, I just got a pirahna key..... is the gun still useless
swift bison
how does something get manually marked as true melee or not in calamity code?
swift bison
is it a list? or a GlobalItem field
void kelp
most non true melee swords are just bootleg magic
sand umbra
On today's episode of "going to the ER or having any reason to go to the ER is horrible":
Allow items normally dropped from the Perforators to inflict Burning Blood (or, alternatively, Bleeding) in some capacity.
❔
Burning Blood is a debuff commonly associated with the Perforators, yet nothing they have inflicts it and instead the debuff is granted to two completely irrelevant weapons. Thematic purposes, more than anything, but also to make Burning Blood a little more relevant on the player's side.
(Bleeding is an alternative here, being a debuff that is also inflicted by the Perforators, though not necessarily by the Hive itself.)
hollow shell
seems fine
radiant meadow
bleeding doesn't do anything
red mist
is burning blood the same thing as bleeding
void kelp
iirc bleeding just affects the player and prevents natural regen
ashen warren
I thought Bleeding did nothing to enemies
radiant meadow
why not just use burning blood at that point
void kelp
burning blood is a dot
sand umbra
¯_(ツ)_/¯
radiant meadow
burning blood fits better for being the perf debuff imo
maybe they can inflict bleeding in pvp
sand umbra
red mist
loses 8 hp per second, decreases defense by 3.... increases movement by 20%?
why would I want to give my enemies a speed boost
ashen warren
People PVP in Calamity?
sand umbra
it's just 50 HP/sec DoT on enemies
sand umbra
...which reminds me, I'm like 90% sure Calamity's DoTs are actually weaker than the wiki implies them to be
I've only ever seen about half of their potential realized on enemies
ashen warren
unless you’re me and you use the DoT scaler mod
red mist
oof
sand umbra
context: life regen in Terraria is wonky and is actually only ever half its advertised value
hollow shell
What does -50 life regen translate to
sand umbra
this includes on enemies and negative regen
quick ice
a lot of damage
sand umbra
so if my theory is correct it's 25 HP/sec with -50 life regen
tired haven
It should translate into -25 hp/second
sand umbra
ye
hollow shell
hang on
-50 lifeRegenValue, specifically.
radiant meadow
I think Thomas is correct if you compare vanilla wiki to vanilla source
sand umbra
life regen stat in Terraria is the stupidest thing
well actually no that's not true
ashen warren
Then again I hear the dev team say that a lot of vanilla mechanics are wack
radiant meadow
double the effects of all the dot debuffs so the wiki is correct
swift bison
ML code is disgusting tbh
radiant meadow
sand umbra
yeeees
ashen warren
Do I smell Dungeon worldgen somewhere?
tired haven
Tbh
I gotta go boot up the game and check
void kelp
vanilla code is whack
sand umbra
I literally have the game open
lemme pick a random Cal debuff and something that inflicts it
tired haven
u aren't me, shush
sand umbra
radiant meadow
what I do know is that daybroken is 100 hp/second
I remember testing that in game
ashen warren
Brimstone flames
sand umbra
isn't that only on max Daybreak
hollow shell
bFlames are -40 lifeRegenValue
sand umbra
oh yeah
sand umbra
and in-game it comes out to about -20 HP/sec
on enemies.
source: just checked with Blade of Enmity
ashen warren
From my experience bFlames ticked 8 damage though...
hollow shell
That seems like a weird
ashen warren
hollow shell
And yes, it does tick 8 damage
sand umbra
welcome to Terraria life regen code
ashen warren
Where math is an anomaly and probably does not exist
sand umbra
also yeah B-Flames ticks 8 damage every time it ticks
it ticks about 2.5 times a second
radiant meadow
8 * 2.5 * 2 = 40
tired haven
Ticks seem to depend on severity of negative regen
radiant meadow
40 dmg in 2 seconds
hollow shell
mmmmmmmm 2 seconds
ashen warren
Math does exist
sand umbra
the amount of ticks depends on the actual value of negative life regen and the intended amount of damage per tick
remember, all life regen values are cut in half in practice
tired haven
Abyssal flames on enemies tick 25 about 2.5 times a second, 25x2(the multiplier in question)x2,5=125 which is exact value of debuff on wiki
hollow shell
So
all wiki values gotta be halved to get DPS numbers
radiant meadow
time to double all the dots to make the wiki correct
and break the first half of the game with stuff like ele mix ark of the ancients
tired haven
Tbh right now I just try to comprehend why terraria devs didn't, like, even out the numbers for easier work
sand umbra
why even does anything before Ark of the Elements inflict Elemental Mix
radiant meadow
what if dots got stronger with progression 
sand umbra
radiant meadow
ark of the ancients, toata, aote, swordsplosion, and aotc all use the same projectile
eon beam be like
sand umbra
hollow shell
How to make Cursed Flames a true competitor to Ichor:
Make it inflict maxHP percentage based damage.
ashen warren
I have a DoT scaler mod. Makes vanilla DoTs deal percentages of the target’s health
radiant meadow
that'd have to be a really, really low percentage
tired haven
Too bad that max hp is a recipe for disaster on exponentially growing enemies
I'd really love to see cursed flames in that key but without hard cap they will break game
sand umbra
forgetting that if you're taking 10+ minutes to kill anything you're doing something wrong
small talon
^
cobalt rose
oh for fucks sake not another one
ashen warren
Calamity has a reputation with peogression based damage scaling not working so I wouldn’t try it
naive raven
@hollow shell ok thanks i didn't notice
hollow shell
np
sand umbra
besides, the idea of Cursed Inferno being able to stack is way cooler
bonus points if there are ways to increase the number of stacks you can rack up on individual enemies
would make CI unique and give it a distinct leg up against Ichor
ashen warren
Is there theoretically a way to make all DoTs deal small percentage damage, make later DoTs stronger, but not delete bosses with it?
karmic stone
percentage damage DoTs
a
sand umbra
we don't need to have all DoTs deal percentage-based damage per second
the only thing we do need is for them to deal appreciable damage per second
split narwhal
1.2 mobile intensifies
sand umbra
explode
karmic stone
% DoT would be hell to balance, if that's possible atleast
sand umbra
it's possible
karmic stone
So like Die.
sand umbra
I've done it with an EE debuff
ashen warren
Legendary Weapon flashbacks
sand umbra
that doesn't mean it's a good idea in the slightest
cobalt rose
what about having DoT debuffs getting stronger in, say, hardmode and post-ML
karmic stone
:echcease:
tired haven
Imho it isn't possible to balance without heavy crutches that make it essentially the value one again
split narwhal
It used to a real strat in mobile to stack a bunch of debuffs
split narwhal
What is the reason of utensil poker/fulguration halberd inflict burning blood again
sand umbra
who knows
split narwhal
it just seems random
tired haven
The latter does, the former seems legit with design
split narwhal
I suppose
ashen warren
What’s the debuff Biome Blade inflicts in the Crimson?
radiant meadow
I think ichor, yes
ashen warren
I seen red particle effects though...
sand umbra
Biome Blade doesn't inflict anything in the Corruption or Crimson
or at least, according to the wiki
radiant meadow
oh then lol
split narwhal
There isn't any on the wiki
sand umbra
just standard Armor Crunch
ashen warren
weird
hollow shell
Galaxia fires Golden Shower projectiles in the Crimson
so that's when that starts happening
sand umbra
yep
radiant meadow
utensil poker inflicts burning blood because the sprite is literally sharp tools covered in blood
sand umbra
in other words, it starts happening long past the point where you stop fighting bosses in the Corruption/Crimson
ashen warren
Unless you purposely do so because lore items
sand umbra
those lore items become nothing short of irrelevant long before DoG
in Hardmode you get Golden Shower and post-Plantera you get Everglade Spray
ashen warren
damn boss immunities
sand umbra
still a pretty mighty debuff length
split narwhal
still very good tho
split narwhal
Betsy's curse weapons when
sand umbra
when Betsy weapon upgrades happen
which will be right after Aerial Bane dies, which will be never
split narwhal
Did that betsy's curse sugg you made went through?
split narwhal
Somehow not in the update as far as I'm aware
radiant meadow
then you didn't update
tepid root
aerial bane upgrade
radiant meadow
almost everything pre moon lord isn't immune to betsy's curse
sand umbra
the one that killed Betsy's Curse immunity from pre-ML stuff so Betsy's Wrath can actually be worth getting, ye
radiant meadow
exceptions are Astrum Deus, Aquatic Scourge, Destroyer, and Sulphurous sea enemies
sand umbra
I should sugg upgrades to Betsy's weapons sometime iirc
radiant meadow
desert scourge is also an exception
sand umbra
so basically worms
split narwhal
ashen warren
Is it common for people to ask about their suggs here
karmic stone
Ye
ashen warren
I mostly just wanna know things about how the system works that I don’t see in the pins
tired haven
It is good tone to submit suggestions here before actually posting them in #suggestions-voting, that way you can polish most of the issues prematurely
ashen warren
That I’ve learned after seeing it a few times
I mean more along the lines of how strict the 90 star rule is for example
tired haven
Well, I don't think there is much more that isn't mentioned in pins
Most fall under common sense (not too short, not too long, should be polite, gramatically correct, have a structure like pre-ambula (not required), actual title of suggestion and reasoning)
ashen warren
many people don’t know what this common sense thing is
Anyway, I mean do people ask about suggs they’ve already made
I guess I’m curious about the process on the backend, but it’s also probably none of my business
tired haven
It occasionally happens ig but that usually won't be answered
ashen warren
Fair enough
tepid root
||Make the death mode lightning bolts usually spawn further from the player
❔ : Currently, the lightning bolts can spawn very close to the player, and if they spawn in the direction of where they're moving, there's no way to dodge the bolts. If it rains early in the game, you're pretty much destined to die a lot.
Alternatively, have some sort of tell of where the bolts would land.
This would make them less luck-based and there would be a way to dodge them.||
not sure if this should be spoilered or not but ech
hollow shell
||Breath of the Wild intensifies||
tepid root
hollow shell
Yeah that seems like a good suggestion
tepid root
alright
swift wadi
I mean
I'd save it for when we dont have to spoiler things tbh
Might not get much attention if it's spoilered iirc
hollow shell
aight, fair enough
hollow shell
@gilded pike Putting em in chests wouldn't solve the problem
gilded pike
wait fuck you're right
hollow shell
Brimstone Crates, yes, that works
but not Shadow Chests
cloud surge
I've never had an issue with not enough hellstone
gilded pike
fixed
cloud surge
I'm not even sure how you could use all of it
gilded pike
even so, it just seems like an ore like hellstone should have an ore slime for consistency
sand umbra
Also, even discounting this fact, there exist ores that realistically would never be entirely used up yet have ways to be renewable nonetheless.
tepid root
crag crates exist
hollow shell
Crag crate works
cloud surge
Then there
sand umbra
Aerialite, Astral Ore, all three Bar of Life components, even freakin' Uelibloom has a renewable source of being obtained.
cloud surge
Maybe hellstone from lava slimes in hardmode?
gilded pike
this is why i made 3 different concepts for where it could drop from
hollow idol
I tend to run out of natural chaotic ore
cloud surge
Do people make every item possible in their playthroughs? Collecting 1k hellstone ore left me with a ton of surplus
hollow shell
Well that's why you got 2 fishes that drop it
sand umbra
I'd ask how you're running out of natural Chaotic Ore but then I remember it spawns in the Abyss which doesn't have a whole lot of room for it + it's part of Bars of Life which are used for a ton of things, albeit none of those things being at their tier aside from like 3
meme
cloud surge
Chaotic ore is understandable
hollow idol
astral ore is also fairly limited
hollow idol
ye im saying natural ore here, not drops in the case of the latter
cloud surge
Ok
hollow idol
but anyways
sand umbra
Astral Ore was renewable to begin with by way of Aureus existing
even more so now that Steampunker always sells Astral Solution
placid moth
Why do you need more hellstone anyways
Usually 500-600 should do for most of the game
sand umbra
why do you need more Uelibloom
500-600 will last you for more than the rest of the game thereafter
hollow shell
Because slimes were easy to program and it was 3 years ago 
sand umbra
well this is 3 years later compared to 3 years ago
(tbf I do feel like the ore enemies could use a bit more personality and diversity rather than just having all of them be slimes but that's a topic for another time)
hollow shell
indeed
sand umbra
but like
Calamity goes on this massive quest to make existing or new materials renewable
some can be bought, some can be found through new means, some can even be crafted
so why the hell, if you will, does Hellstone not have something similar going for it
god knows there are plenty of options as far as what or who it comes from
re-adding hand rez to Death when the beginning of the fight is already borderline unfair with ||four hands + Skeletron being able to teleport right out the gate||
explode
hollow shell
Doesn't he revive his hands in Rev?
sand umbra
he does
hollow shell
Does that get overwritten in Death?
sand umbra
in Death ||he instead has all 4 hands and can teleport from the beginning of the fight, and he generally transitions between not-spinning and spinning faster||
potent veldt
Yeah, so
hollow shell
||I guess having 4 hands from the beginning is kinda like reviving his hands, with no bullshit :P||
potent veldt
There's no real "progression" in the fight in Death
hollow shell
I think that's kind of the intention, though
potent veldt
That's some weird intention then
hollow shell
A lot of bosses get harder faster, and then stay that way for most of the fight
so that you're always in the thick of it
sand umbra
Death is essentially the Rev fight but without you dying to some bullshit at 33% from suddenly jazz hands
no that hasn't happened to me in any capacity before whatsoever, don't question it, just go with it
but like. to compensate, the start of the fight is a ton more hectic and busy
(I actually like the Death fight more than the Rev fight for what basically boils down to this reason)
dim anchor
I'd like to mention he can't teleport until he has no hands
Unless I'm somehow wrong
I don't see anything saying that he can teleport right from the start
Skeletron summons 4 hands instead of 2. Hands attack at much higher velocity. Fires skulls when spinning, and fires more frequently.
I'd just want to clarify if he can now teleport with all hands up
because i don't see it in the boss description, even though it was updated
hollow shell
@manic kraken I don't think I understand.
This is different from the normal proficiency (XP) config?
manic kraken
What do you mean? :o
hollow shell
There's a config to disable proficiency.
manic kraken
wait there is?
hollow shell
afaik, yes
I don't think it was removed
indigo fog
this is already a thing
hollow shell
lol
indigo fog
Below "Other" in the config
hollow idol
yup its a thing
indigo fog
toggle proficiency
split narwhal
Make the lightning strikes in death mode loosely target the player
Right now, the lightning from death mode rain does absolutely nothing to you whilst standing still.I have been standing still for 5 minutes and not a single lightning has managed to hit me.For me, they currently post little to no threat whatsoever unless you are moving at a decently high speed.Making they loosely target the player could make them a bit more threatening.
opinions?
indigo fog
it has been so annoying while i'm building an arena early game
it kills me instantly
i don't want it buffed
indigo fog
it spawns more often depending on how strong the rain is pouring
even in light rainfall, it gets annoying when you're trying to build
tepid root
wHat
i have been cutting trees for 5 minutes
and died every 3 trees
because the lightning spawned on me or the tile right next to me
split narwhal
well for my experience absolutely nothing has hit me when I was standing still
tepid root
10 deaths so far, all of them are lightning
indigo fog
it doesn't hit me when i stand still either
split narwhal
Heavy rainfall as well
indigo fog
instead i just walk or run into it
tepid root
both happen to me, i walk into it or it spawns on me
split narwhal
I do agree that they deal a bit too much damage
indigo fog
they kill you instantly
split narwhal
wiki says 270 damage
indigo fog
early game it kills you every time
split narwhal
+1 sec of electrified
indigo fog
Why does molten armor protect you from the heat in space
you're literally wearing hellstone
split narwhal
Maybe it's cool inside of the armor
hollow shell
I think it protects from cool, doesn't it?
split narwhal
It protects from both
indigo fog
it protects from burning in space
I don't think there could be a cooling function in a suit made of only hellstone
there's lava in the sprite
split narwhal
Make tesla potions weaken lightning attacks and give immunity to electrified(similar to the transformer).
With the new Death mode lightnings in rain, this would help early game players greatly in rain and some other very specific situations.The only real way to deal with the lightnings currently is the transformer, which is very rare and torrential tear, which is found in post skeletron abyss.Giving early players a solution to deal with these lightnings would make it a bit more fair and balanced.
Hows this one then?
indigo fog
what does tesla potion do?
split narwhal
indigo fog
i guess
split narwhal
Plus it fits the theme
indigo fog
but early players would just suffer
indigo fog
i'm talking about if you make it harder to craft
split narwhal
waterleafs + blinkroot probably
split narwhal
ye so that should work
indigo fog
that would be significantly buffing it, however
that's why it's better as a separate thing
split narwhal
I mean, I don't know if the devs is willing to create a new potion
indigo fog
then again that would be a specific item suggestion, which isn't allowed
split narwhal
this is why I chose to buff an existing one instead
indigo fog
that can only work if you push it further in progression
or nerf its current effects
it'll just be too strong of a potion
split narwhal
Maybe reducing it's durations to like 2 minutes
indigo fog
i would like a longer potion for when i'm building things and don't want to instantly die from lightning
split narwhal
Okay.changing the sugg
Make tesla potions weaken lightning attacks give immunity to electrified(similar to the transformer), but moving it further into progression/making it harder to craft.
With the new Death mode lightnings in rain, this would help early game players greatly in rain and some other specific situations.The only real way to deal with the lightnings currently is the transformer, which is very rare and torrential tear, which is found in post skeletron abyss.Giving early players a solution to deal with these lightnings would make it a bit more fair and balanced, but it should also be weakened in some capacity to avoid being overpowered.
indigo fog
how further in progression should it be moved?
split narwhal
hmmmm
indigo fog
it you move it too far, i can just use the torrential tear
but if it's too early, it would be too strong
split narwhal
I'd say around BoC/EoW
indigo fog
what about adding aerialite to it
indigo fog
I just don't know if it would be too strong
it probably wouldn't
later i can just use torrential tear
split narwhal
Currently it feels just like a stronger inferno potion
indigo fog
this could make it more than that
split narwhal
I don't see it having much use currently
tepid root
would it be considered useful for 'early' game players if its post hiim miim/perfs tho?
indigo fog
not really
split narwhal
That's what I'm struggling over
indigo fog
but it would be too strong if it had its current effects combined with it that early
it can be a good early game option if we nerf its current effects
otherwise, it has to be pushed later
split narwhal
I'm considering a few options: stormlion mandibles, since they are quite rare; shadow scales/tissue samples or baby ghost bells, since they tend to be quite hard to catch
indigo fog
storm mandible can be obtained at a really early point
split narwhal
pushing it to post BoC/EoW is the best choice imo
indigo fog
it seems pretty good
hive/perf is too far in progression to be an option
for early players
should it include hellstone ore, or shadow scales/tissue samples
hellstone is slightly later, especially with deathmode underworld
split narwhal
I think it shouldn't be THAT hard to obtain
Death mode hell is quite treacherous
Especially with the new heat mechanic
indigo fog
shadow scales are better because this is for early-game players
split narwhal
Also lethal lava burn is buffed by Dmode so yeah
indigo fog
hellstone is just adding more steps
split narwhal
ok, posting the sugg
indigo fog
can you send an edited version of the suggestion here first
split narwhal
Make tesla potions weaken lightning attacks give immunity to electrified(similar to the transformer), but moving it further into progression/making it harder to craft.
With the new Death mode lightnings in rain, this would help early game players greatly in rain and some other specific situations.The only real way to deal with the lightnings currently is the transformer, which is very rare and torrential tear, which is found in post skeletron abyss.Giving early players a solution to deal with these lightnings would make it a bit more fair and balanced, but it should also be moved further(preferably post BoC/EoW by including shadow scales/tissue samples) in progression to avoid being overpowered.
indigo fog
Make tesla potions weaken lightning attacks give immunity to electrified (similar to the transformer), but moving it further into progression/making it harder to craft.
With the new Death mode lightnings in rain, this would help early game players greatly in rain and some other specific situations. The only real way to deal with the lightnings currently is the transformer, which is very rare, and the torrential tear, which is found in post skeletron abyss. Giving early players a solution to deal with these lightnings would make it a bit more fair and balanced, but it should also be moved further (preferably post BoC/EoW) in progression to avoid being overpowered.
here's a slight grammar fix
this seems pretty good
split narwhal
k
indigo fog
why don't they already target them
split narwhal
Marked magnum exists