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#suggestions-discussion
tropic yoke
The fact that melee variants of rogue weapons exist prove that melee is the worse class in terms of actually being what the name is.
Fuck it.
Melee Reaper.
karmic stone
From what I'm seeing in Discord Search there's some debate wheter to remove specific variants, remove all Rogue variants or all melee variants yadda yadda
I'd advice not suggesting I think
indigo fog
ok
tropic yoke
Ambient Abyss Objects.
zenith hazel
did anyone ask?
tropic yoke
Yeah...
Me.
Wait you have defiled soul?!
What a gamre
Should I suggest that the Sunken Sea be sealed so water doesn't leak out of it, making the entire biome dry?
zealous ridge
sunky sea kind of refills its water
zenith hazel
and you brought up a 4-month old suggestion because you wanted to show off your sprites?
zealous ridge
with eutrophic sand walls
indigo fog
Is there any way to give Cobalt/Mythril and their alts a reason to exist?
hollow shell
Yeah the sand walls spill water
tropic yoke
If you break em'
hollow shell
nah the walls, not the blocks
tropic yoke
There's sand walls?
hollow shell
... yeah
tropic yoke
Wack.
Time to trancend the infinitely variable expanses of my mind... again.
How about making Astrum Aureus drop an Astral Key that unlocks the Astral Chest to make it feel more like the other chests?
sand umbra
pretty sure the idea of an Astral Key for the Astral Chest has been brought up in the past
indigo fog
I thought locked chests were really hard to code
and that's why Abyss/Brimstone crag don't have their own chests
hollow shell
Well, that and there'd be no class for them to fulfill
The code thing is probably right considering what we did instead
We already have a key sprite
(two in fact)
sand umbra
okay so like I wanna agree with you on there being "no class for them to fulfill"
but also there is deadass already a change specifically made to make, amongst other things, both Evil Biome Chests accessible in the same world
...for the express purpose of Scourge of the Cosmos and Empyrean Knives, but that's not the point here
the point is that melee gets two Biome Chest weapons because of a change Calamity already makes
the argument that a class can have only one Biome Chest weapon thus does not hold water given the circumstance
tired haven
It's solely because vanilla went with evil biomes and melee still got exactly 1 weapon. It's not like "let's spawn all 6 hardmode ores just because there are crates now"
At least that's how I see it
sand umbra
under vanilla circumstances it makes sense because only one evil Biome Chest can spawn per world, and only of the chosen evil biome (or whatever you landed if you let the game flip a coin)
but in Calamity's context, which is arguably the focus here, it's a tricky tightrope to walk because the Evil Islands exist in the first place
and thus, intended in vanilla or not, melee in Calamity effectively gets two Biome Chest weapons unless you have the shittest luck in the universe and your Corruption/Crimson Chest in the Dungeon got ate by Abyss~sama
(which in and of itself is a hell of an edge case, even with how much the Dungeon gets part of it bitten off on worldgen for the Abyss)
so like. you could absolutely have theoretical Brimstone and Abyssal Chests, for example, grant new weapons to classes that already technically get a Biome Chest weapon
it's one of many potential opportunities to expand upon the ideas introduced by these biomes and give them some more connection to the outside world
tropic yoke
Wait... Calamity has 3 extra biomes with no keys...
tired haven
time to pour oil into the fire and say that melee biome things get upgraded into rogue things as well as melee
sand umbra
don't even get me started on that memery 
versed tundra
Let a player who obtains the Corpus Avertor chose the class they want it to be
It can be disheartening, seeing you got the right 0.5% chance item but for the wrong class. Obtaining a special crafting material that can make either of the two versions instead (or having recipes to convert one type to the other and vice-versa) would fix that problem. It isn't necessary with other weapons that exist for the two classes, since crafting leave you the choice to begin with.
indigo fog
Melee variants of rogue weapons shouldn't have existed to begin with
They aren't even melee
sand umbra
melee variants of boomerangs only exist because vanilla devs refuse to acknowledge throwing exists
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tropic yoke
tbh Calamity needs anothre biome with 4 enemies for the sole purpose of having 2 weapons and chests for each chest.
sand umbra
and somehow of all things that's what Calamity decides to stay true to
indigo fog
Is Corpus Avertor even a boomerang?
indigo fog
I never used it
tropic yoke
is gud
versed tundra
It hapenned to me and some friends: I played melee and didn't care for a new healing weapon after the vampire knives. One of my friends, who played rogue, wanted the corpus avertor really bad. We farmed a lot... and I got it instead. it was funny, but felt stupid
sand umbra
no, and the issue doesn't only pertain to boomerangs either
I can go on about this for eons but I won't because someone's gonna get angery if I do
tropic yoke
lul
tired haven
One trick about corpus avertor is that it's donator wep, so it most likely won't be changed
versed tundra
It's a throwing dagger that spawns homming healing projectiles
sand umbra
tl;dr a lot of melee variants exist for rogue weapons, even those that by definition should not at all be melee, for reasons nobody can comprehend
everyone's hands are tied, my own included, for Corpus Avertor due to how Patron items work
versed tundra
because vanilla
I understand
wait...
But my change is not about the item itself... it's just to prevent frustration when obtaining one of the two variants...
does that still count?
sand umbra
honestly I wouldn't be opposed
Corpus Avertor is already a bit less than enjoyable to farm as is
tired haven
Mmm, it does actually count? Because drop rate is one of the specifics of the item itself
versed tundra
Let's ask the patreon guy himself to make the sugg 
tired haven
tired haven
inb4 they just want you all to suffer with complex drop rates
versed tundra
Anyway, I'll make the thing vague and give options, in case the patreon wanted each drop to be 0.025
tropic yoke
Why does the Corpus Avertor even fucking exist?
versed tundra
good healing item
versed tundra
don't judge
tropic yoke
There's more donator items than summon items
distant gyro
Why does the Corpus Avertor even fucking exist?
Patron.
don't patronize the patron
if they want the millionth sword, that needs to be fulfilled upon request
tropic yoke
Could've at least been a summon item smh my fuck ing head my head .
distant gyro
that's capitalism
tropic yoke
Can donators request changes?
distant gyro
of course
tropic yoke
E🅱️ic
distant gyro
any changes made to a donator item has to be made with donator's consent
except** balancing
tropic yoke
lmao
distant gyro
cough time bolt
tired haven
Anyone who requests new summon weps is lynched in the darkest dungeons of dev so you shall mind your speech
distant gyro
a post-polter donator weapon for crowd control
distant gyro
note that 2 things are wrong here, post-polter + crowd control
tropic yoke
$50?
sand umbra
yep
tropic yoke
Shit dawg I got that on my rn
distant gyro
yea it's dog tier
sand umbra
used to be $20
distant gyro
no longer 
tier
tired haven
Devourer of Good item ideas
tropic yoke
I'm a teenager who doesn't know the value of a dollar.
versed tundra
I have a question regarding Corpus avertor
tropic yoke
I will single-handedly take down this entire mod with one item.
We may have an answer.
tired haven
sand umbra
versed tundra
is the drop rate 0.5 per class version or 0.5 to get one, so 0.25 to get each?
sand umbra
it's a 5% drop in Expert+
tired haven
tropic yoke
Wait it's got a fucking melee variant?!
west prairie
i got my item at the very tail end of the $20 days
sand umbra
however, you then flip a coin for either melee or rogue
tropic yoke
I fucking hate melee
zenith hazel
good for you
distant gyro
there's exceptions on that item though
versed tundra
see, that's the thing I hate with the drop rates on the wiki, they confuse me
sand umbra
so getting the Corpus Avertor variant you want more accurately is a 2.5% drop
versed tundra
Why is there a dot?
tired haven
I'd have believed it's 0.5% per type so it's 1% total but eeh no idea
queen delta
There should be a zero before that
versed tundra
ok
sand umbra
wait what
distant gyro
Slightly redubbed from original post in cd
[2]Post-Scal
[3]Completely irrelevant topics
[4]Muh cross mod compatibility
[5]Only wants it to flaunt their own ego
[6]Dev item despite doing nothing
[7]Not even creative
[8]What is it? A weapon? Armor? Pet? Projectile? Dust? WHAT?```so I was right
zenith hazel
aren’t .5% and 0.5% kinda the same anyway?
sand umbra
so it is 0.5%?
sand umbra
I was under the impression it was 5%
tired haven
Don'ts more like
distant gyro
some of them are rules
tropic yoke
...
sand umbra
...okay no it's definitely 5%
either that or it seriously doesn't justify its drop rate
tired haven
Actually it's the first time I see this list and it radiates power
distant gyro
it really radiates power
sand umbra
radiates large amounts of power
tropic yoke
wtf does the list relate to?!
tired haven
It gets even better once you realise that each point likely had a precedent
hollow shell
oop, yeah it's 5%
That dot is wiki formatting issue
tropic yoke
I must know
hollow shell
cuz of the underline
sand umbra
patron items iirc
tropic yoke
Rules for Catreon items?
sand umbra
okay so I'm not on fucking shrooms then
distant gyro
it's a dotted underline
sand umbra
yes, there are rules for patron items
distant gyro
it will only be a decimal IFF there is a 0.x
versed tundra
the wiki format kinda suck tbh
hollow shell
versed tundra
wait what?
distant gyro
eg. halinut cannon
tropic yoke
Rate 5 please we're going out of business
sand umbra
wiki format is good smh
versed tundra
hollow shell
yeah that's just
distant gyro
|Enemies in the [[Abyss]]|1|{{revengeance|0.0001%}}
sand umbra
just a small hiccup
a lil' funky wunky
hollow shell
It's disagreein with your browser
versed tundra
ok
hollow shell
Looks cool
queen delta
Seems like this shifted to wiki discussion
tropic yoke
Rover, does Smooth Sulphurous Sand have a chance of getting in?
versed tundra
I need the exact drop rate of Corpus
tropic yoke
2.5% for melee and 2.5% for rogue
hollow shell
It might be something screwy cuz of the melee/rogue aspect
versed tundra
yeah, I have a fix:
versed tundra
basically get an item that can make either one or the other
distant gyro
yep it's 5% melee or rogue
hollow shell
Yeah, it's 2.5 and 2.5
versed tundra
instead of any version at random
hollow shell
5% chance to get Corpus, then it rolls a 50% chance for either
distant gyro
0.05f, ModContent.ItemType<CorpusAvertorMelee>(), ModContent.ItemType<CorpusAvertor>()
tropic yoke
50/50
distant gyro
dice^2
versed tundra
My browser just likes to put a BIG dot where it shouldn't
tired haven
perfect solution: get your donator item that is just a crafting material to corpus 
tropic yoke
^
distant gyro
you roll the 5% dice and you roll the 50% dice again
tropic yoke
Do the fargo thing where you can convert it
versed tundra
Oh yeah, but that would make the drop rate of corpus higher
sand umbra
mfw paying 50 bucks to make Corpus Avertor not lol to farm
versed tundra
convertion is bad
tropic yoke
Don't do the fargo thing where it changes prefix tho
versed tundra
reforge cheese
green pumice
or time travel to nohit items
west prairie
a weapon that's crafted from all the other patreon items and a bunch of platinum coins called "pay to win" that deals 9999999999 damage
tropic yoke
Meaning you never use it because A.M. Rifle is superior
versed tundra
Anyway, let's go for the "gime the choice for corpus SUGG"
green pumice
đź’Ą
green pumice
meme weapon
sand umbra
Aether's Whisper is post-Signut
zenith hazel
ok so what does this have to do with suggestions?
zenith hazel
then why are you still talking about it here?
zenith hazel
then leave the channel if you have nothing to talk about suggs
distant gyro
sand umbra
:the_tax:
distant gyro
have a âś… , you're welcome
tropic yoke
Wait...
Suggestions don't have to be about the mod...
versed tundra
they do
distant gyro
they can be about the server yes
tropic yoke
XD
versed tundra
really?
tropic yoke
RIP Lulink
distant gyro
or even the merchandise
queen delta
Yeah
versed tundra
isn't there another channel for that?
queen delta
No?
distant gyro
what other channel would there be
tropic yoke
suggestions
distant gyro
there is only one suggestions
tropic yoke
Suggest that the channel be added tho...
distant gyro
server suggestions are too rare to exist
tropic yoke
You must use suggestions
zenith hazel
unnecessary
versed tundra
I'm just kidding
tropic yoke
I'm gonna suggest that the voice chat channels allow images to be posted.
distant gyro
you get a server suggestion like every 200 mod suggestions
zenith hazel
no
tropic yoke
y not
versed tundra
it's impossible
tropic yoke
damn
zenith hazel
because people will spam bullshit there, it’s inevitable
queen delta
People are more likely to turn off their brains in the middle of a VC
versed tundra
voice channels are for voice
zenith hazel
there’s a reason the general channels don’t have image perms
distant gyro
I assumed it's gen talk and gen media only because those are what the people talk about 
tropic yoke
Rename the VOICE CHAT category to "The Slums"
zenith hazel
no
zenith hazel
also, please cut it with the passive-aggressive attitude, some of the moderators are getting annoyed.
hallow hatch
versed tundra
Instead of picking a class at random when droping Corpus Avertor, let the player chose either version
This item is a 5% chance in expert+ on ravager, except it's actually 2.5% of obtaining each class version (melee or rogue).
Rather than having a 2.5% chance of getting a false hope instead of the perfect item for your build, the bag could have a 2.5% chance of giving you a special crafting material instead.
That material could be used to craft either of the two version, with no way to change later, making each version just as rare (2.5%), but without false hopes or dropping the wrong one thrice in a row.
Note that it's like if the version you do not desire is removed from the drop table, so the average value of a bag decreased very slightly.
hallow hatch
Good idea
stone gate
Am I allowed to make a wiki suggestion or should that be in a different channel?
versed tundra
I kinda want palm trees on sulphurous sand to look different though
hallow hatch
Corpus is such a grind on its own, I dig it
tropic yoke
There's just one suggestion channel.
versed tundra
anyway, anyone see what I should improve about my sugg?
hallow hatch
It’s solid
versed tundra
you can make a wiki sugg ON THE WIKI
hallow hatch
Corpus suggestion is god tier
versed tundra
why?
versed tundra
I know, right? my sugg doesn't increase the chance to get the right one
it's just an "awful feeling" prevention measure
hallow hatch
I don’t know if it’s allowed though
Since there’s a rule against changing donor items
versed tundra
but when you don't see the values chosen at random, you don't see each time you got the RNG one digit below what you needed
When you drop the wrong one it REALLY feels like you were JUST about to get it
Yeah, I don't know if it can pass, but my defense is that I don't want to change the item, just alter the way you obtain it in a slight way that doesn't mechanically change anything, but improves the game's feel (IMO)
hollow shell
@elfin swift That's a somewhat specific situation
frail mantle
combining lore items meme
hollow shell
(I think that's just unfortunate wording on his part)
teal ibex
additionally, unless you're combining a single lore item, this infringes on one of the rules
hollow shell
He just wants a lore item that increases aggro
teal ibex
being that you cannot combine suggestions
i'm tired and meant lore items
you can't combine those. 
elfin swift
Yeah, but I didn;t want to make it super long. I thought I'd provide an example of something that's prolly happened to many of us
frail mantle
ah
elfin swift
Not a lore item, just similar in the way it gives the effect while in your inventory
hollow shell
hrm
elfin swift
or perhaps even a potion to do so
hollow shell
Actually
Where are you in the game?
If you're anywhere past Providence, you can use Elysian Guard to draw away aggro
elfin swift
I'm in pre hardmode
hollow shell
Yeah it uhh
doesn't
elfin swift
and I'm summoner
hollow shell
Aight I see you removed that whole situation
elfin swift
I thought so anyways, since no matter the circumstance a summoned boss always attacks my friend first
elfin swift
I mostly want it since it's a lot easier to do bosses when you know where they will be
versed tundra
You can use the invisibility potions IIRC
Just don't get hit
(which shouldn't be the problem if you aren't focused)
@elfin swift
https://terraria.gamepedia.com/Invisibility_Potion
It does reduce aggro
Also check https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Aggro and https://terraria.gamepedia.com/Aggro for lists of things that affect aggro
ashen warren
“Just dont get hit”
versed tundra
put a mark on the middle of your screen
fervent citrus
ashen warren
fervent citrus
ashen warren
fervent citrus
that would be fun 
zealous ridge
well, first off some of your examples are notable for already having that kind of balance applied
gold and platinum, for instance, give mining speed boosts
and gold has a higher mining boost than platinum, balancing out platinum's higher defense
the hm ores suffer from that problem a bit more, they really dont have any stat shifts
but i consider that a matter of working with what you have, even if it isn't ideal
royal cedar
Also, you can fish to get the other bars from crates. I realise it's kinda slow, but it's better than nothing
gusty geode
You can fish to get Sailfish Boots but the Hermes Boots recipe still exists
lost agate
Ah yes, lemme go get 20 silver, buy a bug net, get enough bait so i dont run out if my luck is shitty and hopefully not die in the way to the ocean
All of that for a pair of boots
And you can get boots even without fishing so idk where youre going with that
If its just random bashing then
gusty geode
Point I was making is that there was still a way to get some kinda fast boots if worldgen RNG failed you
But an easier way was added anyway
frosty dagger
Sugg idea: make it possible to summon a bunch of Sureme Calamitas with cheat sheet/heros mod
This is a sand ox game so you should be able to mess around and do awesome stuff like this
lost agate
Sailfish boots also rely on luck
So uh
And even fargos mod has some sort of boot recipe because of how painful it can be to get some if your luck is bad
wide flicker
So correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the limit to only summon one Scal exist as idiot proofing, so someone doesn't accidentally summon more that one during the fight?
frosty dagger
IDK, I tried to do it, because you should see what happened when Hectque did and my computer struggles to procces one, I have never clicked on the eye twice in a fight of my roughly 1000 times and no other boss has this feature so I doubt it
lost agate
No if you wanna keep people from messing up and not spawn two you would just make the summoner unusable if a scal is alive
swift bison
i think it's actually a bug with SCal spawning code
relating to arena generation iirc
hollow saffron
yeah imagine spawning 100 scal's but the arena is randomly placed within 100 blocks of you
teal ibex
my example of multiple scal's should not be used
i was playing with randomizer, which janks up even a single scal
that being said i still agree with the suggestion
teal ibex
extremely so
autumn swallow
Before i post in the suggestion channel i would like to hear some feedback on the idea.
I always found the Rouge stealth bonus a bit underwhelming and to be honest, i dont quite see the use in it, bosses are by far the hardest part of Calamity and from my understanding stealth isnt really intended to be used multiple times for the same boss.
I would love if the Rouge class became a much more high risk high reward type of class, centred around dodging at the cost of reduced defence and damage (If you dont take advantage of your dodges)
So my idea is, replace the stealth armour bonus with a similar dodge to the counter scarf. If you dodge an attack successfully you get damage related bonuses, for most early game rouge armors you could do simple flat damage increses.
But for late game ones you could do something similar to the mage armours where you get special effects (Maybe shoot an aditional Projectile or add an explosive effect to your weapon).
The Bonus would for example last 15 seconds while the dodge is on a 10 second timer, so you always have the option to refresh it (Maybe add a slight indication for when your dodge if up again)
zealous ridge
hmm
well, theres a lot to consider for such a big shift
first and foremost, what would happen to literally all the work involved with stealth strikes? just throw it away?
ashen warren
What if stealth strikes became buffed counterattacks for successful dodges?
autumn swallow
Maybe keep that aspect ? I like stealth for everything other than bosses, playing rouge feels like i just dont have a set bonus against late game bbosses
ashen warren
Similar to the way Striking Moment works
autumn swallow
Maybe yeah, so when you dodge you automatically gain stealth back up
west prairie
I could see there being an accessory that gives you a few points of stealth for successful dodges, but reworking the entire mechanic would be an undertaking
west prairie
both codewise and in terms of rebalancing the mechanic
zealous ridge
but actually, that aspect of rogue, with the whole dodging thing, is being worked on
autumn swallow
Wait really ?
zealous ridge
sand cloak? spectral veil? plagued fuel pack? all mobility accessories that use stealth
sand cloak more of a defensive one, but still
its being helped
and that update is comin out very soon, so stay tuned
you may see your concerns appealed to
autumn swallow
And i know it would take alllot of work, but if the idea is well recived it maybe could be worked on ? I dont know, i just wanted to throw it out there
west prairie
"Stand still during the crazy projectile-filled boss fight where you are being relentlessly pursued" was admittedly not the greatest concept
autumn swallow
Yeeeeah, i like it for normal enemies or mini bosses where the first strike actually does like 20%
zealous ridge
yeah fair enough
autumn swallow
but against bosses it does like..idk 1-2% ?
zealous ridge
but i think that aspect can stay... i dont think it needs to be changed, i think there just needs to be more ways to build stealth that arent just stand still or wait for waaay too long
autumn swallow
While you have set bonuses for summoner where you literally become a summoner overloard without even casting summons
west prairie
the math on whether not attacking or moving will return greater dps than moving and attacking is something that has to be taken into account
zealous ridge
yeah
really its only post-ml that stealth strikes even become a postive dps shift
with better stealth gaining methods and better strikes in general
autumn swallow
With more support for stealth i could see it becoming a very fun mechanic
autumn swallow
But i wasnt aware of the support they were going to add, so ill hold off on my suggestion for a bit and see what they do with stealth
zealous ridge
where there was a sort of placeable/temporary aspect to generating stealth where you could like summon a field of darkness to generate stealth very quickly at the cost of waiting on a cooldown or smth
like an inky candle that created a field of ink that you could stand in to build stealth, but the candle is snuffed out for a few seconds after you use a stealth strike near it
autumn swallow
Maybe something like this, but it would have to be scaled for late game armos, the time Slime god for example gives you is very diffrent from something like Yharon
zealous ridge
yeah agreed
i was thinking inky candle would be around post-plant when you enter the dungeon again
or abyss
autumn swallow
Something around there sounds good, so at the same time you would get other strong armor bonuses like Beetle or Spectre armor
ashen warren
The main thing is, the damage gained from the stealth strike should be greater the damage not dealt while the stealth generates, because unless it automatically fills stealth you would have to not attack for an amount of time to use it.
autumn swallow
Yeah, but that again would make it extremly strong against mini bosses
Or stronger normal enemies
So either something that takes prep time (Like the inky candle idea) or building up stealth with dodges, so you could keep it at its current level but give you ways to refresh the set bonus when fighting against bosses
ashen warren
Perhaps the dodge could be independent, like an accessory whose dodge grants a buff that makes the next stealth strike cost 0 stealth, or something of that nature
autumn swallow
Maybe that
And maybe implement it with Black Nanotech
Otherwise that iteam is already pretty good
Btw, off topic from that, i know weapons suggestions arent really allowed, but its a bit sad that supreme Calamitas has weapons for every class but Summoner
ashen warren
That’s only because all endgame weapons are patron weapons
autumn swallow
Poor summoner weapons :c
ashen warren
Patrons must not like endgame summoner
cobalt rose
post scal is dev weapons, nott donators
frail mantle
actually i think Shadowspec tier is the only place where only devs can get dedicated items
frail mantle
iirc a dev summon weapon is planned but noone has bothered to code it in yet
autumn swallow
I mean summoner is the only class that has the exact same weapon choices for Yharon and Bossrush
autumn swallow
I would love that
radiant meadow
coming soon™️
autumn swallow
I kinda forgot that it was post Yharon :^ Sorry
frail mantle
autumn swallow
still not post calamity tho
cobalt rose
i wouldn't be suprised if we ever get a "supreme" upgrade to entropy's vigil
radiant meadow
or you could wait like 3 days
frail mantle
byeah the only thing summoners get post SCal is Shadowspec Armor
autumn swallow
If there will be one then i can die in peace
I will still use at least one drgon boi
They are adorable and i love them
Even if they look like little chickens
lost agate
hallow kraken
On today’s episode of ah who cares about the intro just get to the sug already: Remove DoG’s ability to inflict darkness, or replace it with a debuff similar to darkness, but much more potent.
Darkness does barely anything during the fight against DoG. Everything is lit up and you’ll most likely rely on the map to know where he is. I don’t even think the darkness effect is noticeable during the fight. Because of the above, darkness might as well be replaced with a debuff that does nothing with the name of “Hope you didn’t need that one buff slot bud” and it would practically have the same effect. An alternative solution would be to create a debuff similar to darkness, but designed to obscure your vision for specifically DoG. That would produce a more punishing result of getting hit, causing the player to actually having obscured vision.
radiant meadow
so inflict Blackout?
gusty geode
I was gonna suggest Obstructed
radiant meadow
obstructed would just be obnoxious
zealous ridge
well i mean
its not like either darkness or frostburn particularly matter
actually wait
they might
because elysian doesnt give immunity to most debuffs like asgards right?
tired haven
Blackout likely won't be effective enough, while obstructed is too effective
radiant meadow
elysian doesn't give immunity to any debuffs except burning
but next update, it gives holy flames immunity
radiant meadow
asgard's gives immunity to darkness and frostburn
zealous ridge
i thought asgards grant iminity to dtha
yeah
but, you may not be using asgard always
tired haven
using two shields isn't that optimal so the intent is reached
zealous ridge
yeah
i mean, i dont even see darkness as a particularly thematically fitting debuff anyways
like, was there any particular reason for him to inflict darkness and frostburn?
i presume theyre artifacts from a time before even godslayer inferno
also, uh, doesnt DoG inflict whispering death?
hallow kraken
Oh yeah, and I was also thinking of:
And for the second episode of “more debuff does not mean more cool”, a sug very similar to above, but slightly more controversial: Remove DoG’s ability to inflict frostburn.
Why inflict two DoT debuffs? Frostburn doesn’t do much when compared with his older brother, Godslayer Inferno. What does DoG have to do with frostburn anyways? The coldness of outer space? If that’s so, why can frostburn also be inflicted by an arrow shot by a wooden bow set on fire with ice? It’s just an excuse to take up a buff slot.
zealous ridge
the intros arent really nessecary
hallow kraken
false
zealous ridge
i know its a common thing, but i dont like them
i guess you can keep it if you want
suppose its just a personal thing
tired haven
@ thomas please copyright intros k thx bye
potent veldt
I legitimately forgot that DoG even inflicts darkness
tired haven
^ ngl
hollow shell
Another very useful debuff infliction
yknow
just in case you're not wearing any of the Ankh Shield upgrades
He will very very slightly inconvenience you after dealing 300 damage
zealous ridge
also i think wiki outdated
he inflicts whispering death too, i dont think it listed
hollow shell
It's listed in the Behavior section
hollow shell
because he inflicts too many debuffs to fit in the box
hollow shell
two of which
may I add
are Frostburn and Darkness
zealous ridge
soryr
radiant meadow
frostburn can be done away with probably since gsi does the same thing but better
hollow shell
Yes
And just make Whispering Death reduce your vision, like Plague does
or yknow
just
not do that
because why
zealous ridge
ye
radiant meadow
because the toxins cloud your vision
and when you get closer to death, you start to black out
zealous ridge
like i feel like its the pre godslayer debuffs
small talon
next update
radiant meadow
or read the pins in #calamity-mod-talk or #other-mod-talk
hollow shell
Already happening
radiant meadow
and wait like 3 days
zealous ridge
awesome
neon basin
What?
radiant meadow
before I explode and murder someone
neon basin
...
radiant meadow
(already happening. I did it like a month ago)
zealous ridge
yeah check changelogs, theyre adding compatibilty
and, just gonna say
we're gonna have suggestions for that till the updates actually in at this point
zealous ridge
yes
amazing
you do the lords work ben
also, uh quick question
is this channel fine to post ideas that you wont suggest because it breaks a rule or somthing, but theyre for the calamity mod? just wondering because ive been working on a big post-ml armor thing
hollow shell
No
hollow shell
There's no point
zealous ridge
yeah fair enough
hollow shell
[obligatory crag rework ping]
keen geyser
heh
toxic kettle
What kind of screen resolution do you have where the entire Crag fits on the screen
hollow shell
Crag rework is comin in the future and it'll be made much bigger
We could increase its size between now and then
but
it's comin eventually no matter what
prime elbow
yay
also, time to make as many suggestions about the crag as possible before the rework
hearty yew
I think that's as succinct as I can get it.
If anyone has any reason why this shouldn't be done please @ me here
hollow shell
It's possible to add a right-click to a vanilla item?
hearty yew
Yes
hollow shell
cool
void kelp
does the autofire have better or worse dps on average ?
hearty yew
Worse because it's -25% damage so perfect clicking will be noticeably better
karmic stone
Why not let people break their mouse/fingers if they want to?
True, but still, die.
hearty yew
It shoots at perfect speed though
hollow shell
I definitely prefer having some weapons have no autoswing but better DPS if optimal
There's fuckin plenty of weapons with autoswing already
hearty yew
Basically epsilon and I got to wof in our pt and I missed being able to spam my mouse button and feel like I was accomplishing something
I'm one of the weird people who actually likes clicking
tired haven
Basically it depends on your trigger finger but I can assure that average player will get similar results with and without auto in that scenario
But yes, if that can be coded as alt fire, that will be perfect
void kelp
aah
zealous ridge
the feel of the blaster is a bit lacking now, it feels a lot more brainless
hearty yew
^ On average, imprecise clicking leads to -16 to -18% DPS.
safe sail
dev making a suggestion
woeful ginkgo
uh my last suggestion has already reached 90 stars but it hasn't been delivered yet I assume I have to wait?
safe sail
zealous ridge
yeh shadow, wait it out
hollow shell
Yeah just have patience Shadow
hearty yew
So the average bonus will be like... +7% from trying to manually click
woeful ginkgo
aight thanks for letting me know
hearty yew
@tired haven is that name considered vulgar and grounds for change
hollow shell
Ah actually Shadow
your suggestion was bluechecked, so there won't be an indication once it's "delivered"
woeful ginkgo
so what happened then?
safe sail
ight
hollow shell
It did the thing. It do. It worked
safe sail
fixed it
hollow shell
Original suggestion has been marked as Many Have Suggested
woeful ginkgo
oh it's the original one aight I see
radiant meadow
now time to not do it
prime elbow
What if instead of making alt-fire be autofire it was a toggle between semi-auto and auto? This could also be used to give some weapons more than 2 firing modes. 2 modes is normally enough, but maybe it could be used to allow firestorm cannon to shoot flares like a normal flare gun.
radiant meadow
and how would you toggle it?
radiant meadow
perhaps
hollow shell
If that's possible, that'd be nice for Crystyl Crusher
radiant meadow
but I don't think it's necessary
hollow shell
cuz the planned effect would require a "channeling" effect
which isn't possible to bind to right-click
radiant meadow
although
people would probably right click on accident
and destroy their base anyways
hollow shell
Nah
prime elbow
give it sound effect
radiant meadow
not realizing that right click would switch modes
hollow shell
the whole deal was that it'd have several seconds of charge up with a loud and noticable sound effect
radiant meadow
yes, but you can't have a charge up with the switching modes thing
hollow shell
Yeah that was the issue
well
it was the issue with binding the effect to right-click directly
prime elbow
just sound effect
hearty yew
Right click to activate Ultrakill mode.
hollow shell
If right-click could be used to change the function of left-click, would it be possible?
hearty yew
This requires charging and can't be used by accident
radiant meadow
you can do that I think
but I don't think making right click change crusher's function is going to prevent base deletion
hollow shell
It'd be way better than current
Having it be instantaneous and on the same button as interacting with chests and NPCs and doors
radiant meadow
If anything, someone might right click and then not be able to figure out how to stop the destructive madness
hollow shell
Let go of left click.
prime elbow
the description could change
hollow shell
Yeah obviously it'd be in the tooltip
radiant meadow
I am unsure of some people's reading capabilities, but I also think people will still have some issues
hollow shell
Sure if they're frickin stupid
Currently people are destroying their base unintentionally
because it's instant and bound to the same button as opening chests, talking to NPCs, and opening doors
prime elbow
reading is for literate people
west prairie
yeah, any sort of instant destructive effect that only takes a single input that is used very commonly shouldnt exist in the form it does
radiant meadow
actually, I'm not sure how well it would work
since one function does not shoot anything and one does
west prairie
i say right click charge
hollow shell
Right click charge is not possible
because Terraria spaghetti.
Having right click be a mode change for left click may be possible
west prairie
... oh that is some bullshit right there. fucking redcode, man.
hollow shell
yep
radiant meadow
the example I was thinking of has a shoot method on all modes whereas crusher would only have it on one
hollow shell
indeed
port it to binary
radiant meadow
if the game thinks that crusher has a shoot function still on the normal function, crusher won't be able to mine
hollow shell
hm
open sphinx
remembering another thing to suggest
hearty yew
C# is perfectly functional as a language, it's amazing actually. What I want to do is IL edit (or use TML) to allow right click charges
hollow shell
@open sphinx May wanna say "tooltip" in your main line
kinda confusing when you read it as actually meaning the mana cost change itself
@rain estuary You do
You drown really really fast
zealous ridge
yeah its near instant
open sphinx
ok
zealous ridge
if you dont have sufficient gear
radiant meadow
we don't need to confine exactly to the physics of the real world
rain estuary
ech
hollow shell
I'd say we probably are
Actually, you're right
You can be at the bottom of the Abyss for 2 seconds without dying.
In real life, you'd be dead in a millisecond.
Big difference
toxic kettle
Layer 4 didn't damage me too fast without the suit
hollow shell
I assume you were still wearing Abyssal Diving Gear and whatnot?
toxic kettle
nope
hollow shell
(the helmet that is)
toxic kettle
Aquatic Emblem, Gills Potion and Victide armor iirc
hollow shell
That's still a fair amount of resistance, yeah
radiant meadow
there's also no real need to instakill the player
for what? Terminus?
which has no loot mind you
rain estuary
rock
tired haven
What can be done is damage being proportional to breath loss ig
(but it may be already a thing)
rain estuary
I can reword it if necessary
sand umbra
just saw the sugg about Pheonix Blaster and Venus Magnum
woeful ginkgo
You could punish the player more for going into the forth layer of the abyss without proper gears but insta-kill will ended up being as an unenjoyable experience.
sand umbra
and I wholeheartedly agree
hollow shell
m, Layer 4 already does hurt a lot if you don't prep for it
and there's nothing down there for you to get if you go there early. Nothing
sand umbra
honestly I feel like the non-autofire but high damage of weapons such as the Pheonix Blaster and Venus Magnum is part of their identity
hollow shell
Ye
sand umbra
without it, Pheonix Blaster doesn't really feel any different from other guns and Venus Magnum's low use time makes it just a better Uzi
tired haven
I mean
If the player goes there post-polter (because that's the only logical tier to go here), and they don't have diving gear, then it's the worthy risk but also an alternate strategy
Artificially punishing for no key item is too much in that case
sand umbra
(I kinda wanna bring up Handgun as well but I don't know if that actually gets touched or not)
woeful ginkgo
Venus is more accurate than uzi tho
radiant meadow
handgun isn't touched
sand umbra
alrighty
radiant meadow
because phoenix blaster exists
sand umbra
pfffff
radiant meadow
and is superior in every way
tired haven
(besides, trying to bring up mariana trench when the terrarian can heal the shot in the head near campfire in 30 seconds is rather courageous)
radiant meadow
also, venus magnum should be better than Uzi
rain estuary
Better question:
Why is Terminus in the chest at the bottom?
Yharon drops it, why do we need to waste the possibility of a really good weapon or accessory with a boss rush summoner dropped by the semifinal boss?
rain estuary
hollow shell
so you aren't screwed if you lose it
radiant meadow
in case abyss generation is fucked up
hollow shell
yeah
ashen warren
In between suggestions, obligatory thanks to Fab for the latest change. Didn’t know where to post it so
gusty grail
with raise melee speed i think it should be a softcap since melee speed is normally op
@hard crescent
hard crescent
it could be either
gusty grail
i prefer soft cap like everything else over a hard cap
that way we can still get ludicrous melee speed with cheat mods but wont become op normally
hard crescent
its not that busted, if you dedicate your whole build to boost a single stat and it ends up being good thats fine by me
gusty grail
it makes true melee op
hard crescent
hard disagree
hard crescent
i dont see why
hard crescent
i get its a challenge, but it doesnt need to be arbitrarily difficult
potent veldt
@slender current Are you memeing, or nah
gusty grail
maybe edit the suggest to include "or alternatively change it too a soft cap"
slender current
i think it would be cool to have it as an easter egg
potent veldt
Also, bruh, the goal for post-scal is Boss Rush
And if killing 50+ Super Dummies is supposed to be an easter egg, it's perhaps the most unnecessary easter egg possible
gusty grail
actually i agree on having it as an easter egg for killing one
potent veldt
For killing one, maybe
gusty grail
50 no
hard crescent
its not hurting anyone by being there, a mod can delete if they want
gusty grail
it is memey but im taking it as if it was an actual suggestion
slender current
yeah maybe 1 is good
hollow idol
you get another super dummy if you kill one
slender current
like the bone key
potent veldt
That is not the point at all
gusty grail
alternate way of getting lul
worthy fiber
Would be funny igs
The banner thing
Even if it probably isn't possible in vanilla-calamity
hollow idol
hydra can do it
hollow idol
dummy pet
worthy fiber
Nah the banner's fine
slender current
may be a vanity
potent veldt
Nice sugg, btw, whoever that was
slender current
dummy vanity
karmic stone
Ah yes
sleek wadi
Beat the super out of it
karmic stone
/
potent veldt
Put that back in that suggestion channel so I can star it boi
indigo fog
how would you even obtain a super dummy banner
i'm pretty sure Hydra is the only weapon that can kill it
and you won't have enough ammo to kill it 50 times
hard crescent
how much health we talking
ive gotten its health to "0" on display but it just insta healed iirc
pretty sure anyway
slender current
i inficted it with venom and it stopped regenarating
indigo fog
It can heal
hard crescent
but looking at the wiki theres no way
indigo fog
it's on the tooltip
hollow idol
I killed it with Hydra
sand umbra
a Super Dummy cannot die if it is afflicted with any debuffs at all when it hits 0
hard crescent
oh really
slender current
i literrally did it last miniutes
indigo fog
Hydra is the only weapon that is fast enough to kill it
hard crescent
i cant remember what i was using that gave it a debuff
hollow idol
still could be an easter egg for using it
or if you have a mod that adds ungodly strong weapons
indigo fog
A Super Dummy banner serves no purpose because your DPS on the dummy would change and be completely different
making the super dummy useless
slender current
so just make a trophy lol
dense ferry
Killing Super Dummy is easy lol
I killed one under two minutes
With Apotheosis or Earth, at least
indigo fog
there's still no purpose in a super dummy trophy existing
hard crescent
its just a small easter egg, thats all
indigo fog
still pretty pointless
hard crescent
i dont think its intended to have a purpose
dont you get a useless item for beating boss rush
le funny rock or some shit
worthy fiber
This is pretty much a meme suggestion
indigo fog
that's what i was thinking
worthy fiber
It's funnier than the others we usually get
indigo fog
it serves no actual gameplay change
worthy fiber
which isn't much
sand umbra
fun fact: with the right gear, I'm mildly certain Scarlet Devil can actually do enough DPS to fuck a Super Dummy
legitimately
I'd have to test again
sand umbra
nope
sand umbra
Scarlet gives no debuffs whatsoever
hard crescent
i might of had a summon active or something
but it can absolutely do enough dps, it just takes a while
indigo fog
Super dummy isn't hard to kill post-Scal
gusty geode
A reward for doing something you're not supposed to do seems like a nice idea imo
Pointless or not
Bone Key or whatever is pointless but people still go after that
gusty geode
Well
If you're looking for a practical purpose
It's a bit of a stretch but you could use that to compare dps against enemies when you have their banner vs when you don't
slender current
insert the purpose of the rock in boss rush
dense ferry
I think may being a trophy or wathever
slender current
like no boss trophy have a purpose
ashen warren
Could be used for something in the future
dense ferry
If Fab raised Super Dummy life to 64-Bit Integer Limit we could continue talking
More than a Quintillion health lol
indigo fog
I'm not completely against implementing pointless items, but the Rock and Bone Key work because you're given a useless item for doing something actually challenging.
Killing the super dummy isn't a challenge
dense ferry
Give Super Dummy SCal AI lol
Honestly, killing one may be easy
But 50 can be tedious
Like doing DG
It's Just shooting and flying for like, 10 minutes
indigo fog
Killing 50 isn't challenging. it just takes long
dense ferry
Same with Dungeon Guardian, imo
indigo fog
DG is more of a challenge in vanilla, rather than in Calamity
In calamity you get post-ML mobility and weapons, which makes it not challenging
gusty geode
So I'm told weapons as early as post-DoG can 1 or 2-shot it
indigo fog
the super dummy?
gusty geode
No the DG
distant gyro
scarlet devil with imbued ichor
tired haven
Or you just stack 50 super dummies together and use celestus (in hopes it doesn't crash your game) and get job done in like, 10 seconds
dense ferry
IQ 140
distant gyro
or marked magnum + sd
loud steeple
Bit late to the party of but gold came before plat @ashen warren
Might Wana edit your suggestion
sand umbra
you forget, Crab
Celestus inflicts debuffs
if a weapon inflicts debuffs it is inherently unable to kill a Super Dummy
sand umbra
what the fuck is a Nebula Floater again
teal ibex
teal ibex
this demon
toxic aurora
oh tthat anoying briain
teal ibex
they honestly contend with ice golem for worst enemy in the game
sand umbra
fuck these things
lost agate
(reminder killing a super dummy isnt hard at all)
teal ibex
@hollow shell should i post a follow-up image since peeps probably don't know it by name or nah? i know that'd screw with stars and junk
tepid root
oh god those telefragging fuckers
toxic aurora
they are by far the most anoying pillar enemy
tepid root
i hate them
sand umbra
literally worse than Crawlitpedes
tepid root
worst enemy in the fucking game
teal ibex
2nd worst
sand umbra
I didn't know being worse than Crawltipedes was possible but here we are
teal ibex
đź‘€
lost agate
You can put a super dummy, right click, and its dead so uuuuuuuuuh
Also yeah those enemies are annoying
tepid root
i don't find ice golem too bad, even if it sometimes spawns every 2 seconds for some reason when i dont want it to which is ????
sand umbra
daily reminder that Ice Golems in Rev+ are guaranteed a Glacial State proc
toxic aurora
just give me the dam ice feather and get out of there
sand umbra
same as Destroyer's frost lasers
tepid root
hol up what why and 
sand umbra
I went over this back with the Glacial State rework sugg
toxic aurora
glacial state bad
sand umbra
have fun getting combo frozen
cosmic musk
nebula enemies suck
sand umbra
and then Frozen can proc on top of Glacial State, so it's like
if you could somehow move before, you certainly can't now
toxic aurora
eyezor's kinda blow ass in the buffed solar eclipse too
teal ibex
ty rover, didn't think embed would work LOL
sand umbra
literally one of the worst enemies in the game
right next to Crawltipedes and Rev+ Ice Golems especially
tropic yoke
Holy fuck dude I hate nebula floaters so much
They're a worse version of the dungeon wizards
Hope the nerf gets accepted
sand umbra
oh yeah, can we talk about something really quickly
there's the Darkness debuff
right
tepid root
sucklers are cool and dont do anything
theyre easy kills for weakening the pillar shield
sand umbra
and then there are two bootleg Darknesses that are each inflicted by a whopping one enemy and do a whole lot of nothing different from Darkness itself aside from more intense visibility reduction memes
no Darkness isn't a bad debuff
Blackout and Obstructed are memes
they're basically the same fucking debuff
tired haven
Wanna talk about withered armor which is... the same as broken armor iirc but is purely flavor for a single or so enemy?
sand umbra
the only difference is that one is inflicted in the Dungeon where it means you can't see that Paladin around the corner who's about to snipe your ass
and the other is inflicted at the Nebula Pillar where everything is about to snipe your ass
the Withered debuffs from OOA ain't innocent either
Withered Armor is deadass just Broken Armor but cool
tired haven
well, tbf, that also means no free immunity to all of them, but heh
sand umbra
YEP
WITHERED ARMOR IS LITERALLY JUST BROKEN ARMOR
except no immunities at all and OOA
tired haven
Just so not crafting ankh shield won't be considered a suicide move
sand umbra
honestly vanilla's debuffs are wack
tepid root
DoTs
tired haven
Btw I just read the actual floater suggestion and hec is spitting straight fax
dense ferry
Worst enemy confirmed
teal ibex
delete this enemy 
dense ferry
The unic Pillar I dies to farm fragments pre Providence was the Nebula, because of that shit
It gives 200 damage on Death
And it teleporting every fucking second don't help
dense ferry
Let's give SCal it's AI and see what happens
Accidentally created the worst torture method of humanity
Oh
tired haven
The humanity isn't prepared to scal with nebula floater teleports
dense ferry
Oh God
sinful violet
It's not the teleporting I hate it's the amount of health they have tbh
dense ferry
Let's use Randomizer until we get a SCal with Nebula Floater AI
potent veldt
This is one bold assumption
tired haven
well, I imagined like, scal attack patterns combined with floater tps but eh
potent veldt
I am more than willing to admit that those fuckers are the worst enemy in the game
dense ferry
True
potent veldt
Every single class has a horrible time with them
Including Summoner, which just shows how garbage they are
dense ferry
Yeah, my summons almost never tracked that shit accuratelly
potent veldt
Fighting these things is 100 times worse than the old spawnrates of Armored Digger, and I'm a strong advocate for fixing them
hallow hatch
Hoes mad
hallow hatch
Facts
dense ferry
That change needs to happen
glossy falcon
Aren't Crawltipedes, the things that fly around in the solar pillar?
hallow hatch
Yes
versed mica
hallow hatch
Really
fervent zealot
someone complaining about nebula floaters and the fact that they're actually worse than crawltipedes genuinely
crawltipedes only aggro if you fly
nebula floaters are just a blight on this earth
glossy falcon
Crawltripedes aren't even the worst solaar enemy IDK why everyone hates them
The things that reflect my projectiles are worse
tired haven
Maybe because people love flying a lot
hallow hatch
tired haven
Can't judge them tho because of all things I hate corites