also in the post-moon lord Hallow and Underworld with the spawn of Scorn Eaters and Profaned Energy it would be really annoying
#suggestions-discussion
ashen warren
ashen warren
not counting the Impious inmolators cuz they has neutral AI
gusty geode
See why I suggested tying the 30x spawn to it
sand umbra
you're seriously overshooting a problem that if I may be frank doesn't really exist much at all
it does what it's supposed to do
it's a non-difficulty-locked drop from the Wall of Flesh that can't be turned off, you can't seriously expect it to have a huge effect
cobalt rose
i do not see why you suggested THIRTY TIMES the spawn rate
dense ferry
If you are more masochist than I, do it by yourself
Don't make some new player end his playthrough wihile accidentally trigerring this
karmic stone
"I've seen someone do it"
sand umbra
was that someone a newer player to Calamity who'll likely use all the items they get or most of them because they wanna see what the items do?
was that someone a newer player to Calamity who would use the Demon Trophy and then find #bugs-read-pins in the next five minutes asking what happened and how to turn it off?
was that someone a newer player to Calamity who literally cannot read and will never acknowledge the fact that the effect can't be reversed even after being told such?
imagine the absolute fucking swarm of new players in #bugs-read-pins that would scream about Demon Trophy's effect and ask how to turn it off
the change would be undone within 1 update
gusty geode
Not doing something because some idiot who doesn't read is gonna complain aside
I admit it was a bad idea
I figured something having a stupidly powerful upside should have an equally powerful downside
rapid pivot
here's a thought; what if Defiled Rune provided an additional, but smaller spawn rate bonus?
cobalt rose
where the fuck is the upside in that
dense ferry
The entire item is the downside
rapid pivot
like, y'know, 200-250% more spawn rates on top of its other effects?
sand umbra
your first and worst mistake was assuming newer players will look into the finer details of Calamity before starting to play it
that is what cost you the idea in the first place: the fact that people will be people
bonus points: also applies to those who haven't played in a while
dense ferry
I once placed the SCal lore item into my inventory and died to a Boss. I then discovered that you could undo the insta death on Bosses by taking it out
Imagine if I couldn't undo the action? My charachter would be completely lost
rapid pivot
i think he gets the point
sand umbra
now then
dense ferry
Now, back to writing my history
rapid pivot
either way, here's a thought
sand umbra
should I sugg that Glacial State thing I wanna sugg, or should I instead sugg more Make OOA Great Again moments
...or should I pick something else entirely from the random list of shit I have planned for EE that I might wanna see pushed to main 
gusty geode
Even for how bad that was
"Too confusing for new players" still isn't a good reason not to do something imo
cobalt rose
yes it fucking is
dense ferry
Especially when you can't undo it
rapid pivot
Suggestion:
Add a 100-150% spawn rate boost to the effects of the Defiled Rune.
❔ With the Zerg potion debuffed, a major grinding tool is diminished. However, the Defiled Rune already exists as its own major grinding tool. An effect like this could add a bit of what Zerg does/did in aiding grinding, with the balance being the rest of Defiled's effects.
gusty geode
I'd upvote that
dense ferry
Maybe
dense ferry
M a y b e
sand umbra
any semblance of statistics that would help us determine if Vortex Beater is actually weaker than P90
cobalt rose
"near the same time"
one is post-plant and the other is post-LC
ashen warren
P90 with Crystal bullets it's op?
sand umbra
if this is the P90 + Acid Rounds shitfest again I swear to god
maiden bone
Nvm
cobalt rose
cobalt rose
rapid pivot
anyway; thoughts on my sugg?
that one, at least, is already well-established as a grinding tool
cobalt rose
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhh
its mostly for bosses, no?
rapid pivot
nah, it also boosts rare item drops
ashen warren
mmm
rapid pivot
and money
ashen warren
not bad at all
sand umbra
ye, Rune also boosts money and rare drops
ashen warren
but can annoy ur run like squid's suggest
ashen warren
ye
sand umbra
and if you're doing a playthrough with the Defiled Rune then like you signed up for some top-kek stuff
such as a Gastropod sniping you for 440 damage or some garbage like that
gusty geode
Do we need more RIVs
rapid pivot
RIVs?
ashen warren
Defilled Rune and the Blood Pact
rapid pivot
imo it'd be a matter of cutting down just a lil bit more on grind in exchange for the various penalties associated with the Defiled Rune
ashen warren
sand umbra
also, if I may...
cobalt rose
battle horn from fargos
dense ferry
A unic item that increases the spawn rates, but with some downside
rapid pivot
tbh again; i can't see why that item can't be the Defiled Rune
it's already established as a challenge item/grind assist
sand umbra
On today's episode of "Frozen 2 is the best meme movie and it's up to you whether you wanna bother seeing it or not":
Adjust Glacial State to be more of a Hardmode Chilled variant rather than a Frozen variant.
❔
Currently, Glacial State is inflicted by a whopping 3 things in Calamity. These things are Cryogen's ice bombs, Rev+ Destroyer's frost beams, and the Rev+ Ice Golem's frost beams. All 3 of these entities can rather easily combo the player if the debuff is proc'd on them --- like, incredibly easily --- and for Destroyer in particular it's one of the reasons the fight isn't really fair at all. Additionally, Glacial State as a debuff isn't too terribly unique, simply being Frozen but with some defense reduction applied. Reworking the debuff to be more like Chilled would not only allow for greater creative liberty to be taken with the debuff without it being unfair, but also indirectly make the aforementioned fights a little more reasonable.
thoughts?
rapid pivot
sure
ashen warren
it exist enemies related to the Nightmare's Fuel?
cuz the only enemy who drop that is Pumpking
hallow kraken
cool sug internet thomas man
sand umbra
alright, y'all know how it goes
any objections, speak now or forever hold your pieces
ashen warren
u have the Infinity Gauntlet emote?
sand umbra
no
ashen warren
i asked cuz the yoshi disappering emote
lost agate
zealous ridge
i would like to know what making it a variant of chilled would entail for you
and of course, there's a lot to consider
for the ice beams, i believe they inflict chilled as well, right?
zealous ridge
... that actually might be interesting
lost agate
Its like an inverted electrified
zealous ridge
like perhaps you can't build up movement speed, it can only really go down when youre under the debuff
sand umbra
that's another more unique way to go with it!
honestly the point is mainly "Glacial State is just Frozen 2 and it shouldn't be"
zealous ridge
imo its worse than frozen
because at least youre allowed to move in any capacity at all via gravity
sand umbra
yeah Glacial State is literally Frozen but even stronger
zealous ridge
with glacial state its just you're stuck in place and in the perfect position to get comboed with the same freezing attack
fighting ice golems is not fun with his lasers basically being a near-death sentence unless you get lucky and he misses like 2 shots in a row
sand umbra
phase 2 Destroyer might as well be death on hit
zealous ridge
destroyer is stupis too, but like, i think its in a better state i guess
sand umbra
it really isn't
you can get hit like 3 or 4 times in the same barrage of lasers because of Glacial State's current effect
zealous ridge
the frost lasers i didnt have much of a problem with on my fight, but that was... my rogue playthrough
sand umbra
that's already most of your health gone
zealous ridge
of course, that's because i never let myself get hit by freeze lasers
sand umbra
and that's assuming you aren't dead by the time you can move again
zealous ridge
i can see it being unfair
sand umbra
zealous ridge
well at least p1 is manageble maybe idk
sand umbra
phase 1 is manageable
phase 2 is also manageable to a point but you are given a LOT less room for error
zealous ridge
im in early hm on my current playthrough, so im just getting around to fighting that guy
sand umbra
phase 3 is just death
zealous ridge
tbh i felt the same way about twins
p1 was manageable, p2 took like 2 attempts of practice, p3 took up most my time as i learned the pattern
it has been the hardest fight of my playthrough currently
worse than even SG/WoF
part of that might just be breaking vanilla habits learned over about 3000 hrs
but another part of me wants to say that i felt the room for error was much smaller than in other fights
slime god allowed you to get caught out a few times, like getting slightly punished by the flying wall of slimers if you didnt manage them or falling into a horde of spiked crimslimes
i mean you could escape that
but the mech bosses sofar have been a really big spike
sand umbra
I have. other issues with Slime God that I will eventually assess
the big thing with the Mechs in general is that they are an enormous difficulty spike
zealous ridge
yeah, not saying SG is really a perfect fight in comparison
sand umbra
I suppose the Glacial State rework sugg is, in part, an attempt to remedy that
zealous ridge
would make destroyer less daunting i suppose
but personally at least
giving a freeze attack that combos into literally any other high damage attack from a boss show up semi-randomly (as in different firing locations and random chance for the lasers to fire at any given time) doesnt really sound amazing to me, even on paper
tired haven
Test dummies are almost never a good representative of damage. Go slap cultist with both at least then
zealous ridge
yeah its important to consider defense
also what you lose in damage, you make up for in some amount of extra utility and ease of use
for instance, the homing rockets
and the fact that it doesnt chew through as much ammo (i think, havent done number checks on that)
tired haven
P90 more like Minus30 (bullets per second) 
But oh well, I agree p90 is somewhat powerful, just that the testing should be more accurate than on 0 defense target
maiden bone
I assume you mean with my old character and not the new one?
foggy kindle
What he meant is Super Dummy/Dummy has 0 defense
hollow shell
P90 is already getting nerfed iirc
sand umbra
...if I may ask
why
hollow shell
Too stronk
maiden bone
Best answer
sand umbra
follow-up:
foggy kindle
Rushing B is overrated, that's why 
sand umbra
is it too stronk with anything that isn't the fucking Acid Rounds meme
and do Acid Rounds work well with other weapons at all? too well, not well enough?
hollow shell
Frostspark Bullets are apparently also really good
sand umbra
that is. not one I expected to hear
I've never seen anyone ever unironically suggest Frostspark Bullets
so either I'm blind or they're really just not that great normally
hollow shell
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Test results look like all bullets are just really good with P90
With Acid being really really good
tired haven
I can't recall which of them is frostspark, the one with 2 pierce?
tired haven
(there is too much ice related gear) 
zealous ridge
frostspark electrifies enemies and deals more damage to enemies immune to frostburn if i recall
tired haven
Maybe freezes?
hollow shell
Frostspark does not inflict Electrified, no
zealous ridge
hold on ill check this real quick
hollow shell
It inflicts Glacial State and deals more damage to enemies immune to Glacial State
zealous ridge
i know it doesnt actually inflict electrified
tired haven
At least now I recalled the actual frostspark, neat
hollow shell
Ah yes
"Has a chance to freeze enemies and explode into electricity"
hollow shell
Must be a new thing, it's not on the wiki
sand umbra
time to make Frostspark Bullets inflict Electrified
tired haven
2 pierce is icicle bullets then
Explode into electricity would mean sparks, no?
wooden wedge
@maiden bone what's the suggestion though?
wooden wedge
and the p90 has a high DPS because it shoots a fuckton more bullets in a second than the vortex beater
tired haven
Man that really sparked out of nowhere
sand umbra
.
versed tundra
Too many similar yet completly different ice-themed ammo types
tired haven
zealous ridge
arctic, icy, frostburn ig
sand umbra
enhanced nano rounds are literally meme
zealous ridge
yeh but essence of eleum so ig ice ??? cold maybe
tired haven
Icy arrows are better meme iirc
versed tundra
Eleum is the essence of zen potions too
versed tundra
It was weird the first time playing the mod when you got acess to two new bars, both ice-themed for killing one boss
zealous ridge
nah he responded
versed tundra
In retrospect, it makes sense, if you consider the "bar of life" trio to be thematic upgrades to chlorophite, hellstone and frigid bars
wooden wedge
also what's the suggestion here, even?
he just said the DPS of the vortex beater vs the P90
hallow kraken
a lot of effort with that test
sand umbra
if you consider the "bar of life" trio to be thematic upgrades to chlorophite, hellstone and cryo bars
Cryonic Bars and Frigid Bars are literally the same tier
zealous ridge
well yeah
but thematically theyre similar i guess...???
its a rough connection but i can see it
versed tundra
Cryo bars make a stronger set I thought?
hollow shell
"Cryo Bars are an upgrade to Cryo Bars"
versed tundra
Yeah I mixed-up the names
zealous ridge
at least if you're melee/ranged
sand umbra
"hmm yes these cold bars are upgrades to other identical cold bars"
zealous ridge
sand umbra
the placement of Cryonic Bars kinda strikes me as weird, tbf
versed tundra
Frigid bars feel like downgrades in some ways to adamantite and titanium, since they can only make one set and can't make a forge
foggy plover
arent they literally just there to craft the cryogen drops?
they arent even a sidegrade imo
versed tundra
I'm prob. wrong, but doesn't permafrost already sell many cryogen drops?
versed tundra
They are a pitty timer for the kelvin catalist 
hollow shell
Permafrost sells unique stuff
versed tundra
Like the sea king, right
sand umbra
I guess my thing of it is
any item that can be made with Frigid Bars, sans Arctic Arrows and Icy Bullets, can also drop from Cryogen
so the number of unique items they create? is really low
versed tundra
Make frigid bars great again
sand umbra
then again that's a lot of Calamity materials in a nutshell
versed tundra
I'm almost thinking they should be part of pre-hardmode somehow to be farther away from cryonic bars
Or maybe the other way around : make cryo bars harder to get somehow
The only roadblock to the daedalus set is cryogen and geeting the third demon altar ore pickaxe
It doesn't seem too powerful for where it's at
Hmmm... I don't even have an hypothetical solution to make the frigid bars stand-out more without straight-up adding more crafting uses.
ashen warren
Hi guys i have a suggestion but i have to ask some things before to send it
i think dog should be harder (more life, damage, etc)
but without the second fase and the sentinels
and after ALL the bossess be the final boss with the second phase and the sentinels
i know is a big change but is ridicoulous that a eye is stronger than "THE DEVOURER OF GODS"
hollow shell
We kinda already have DoG's final phase as a climax with the Boss Rush
(also, lore)
karmic stone
SCal is not staying as an eye also
ashen warren
but the boss rush is optional
karmic stone
And DoG's nickname is an exaggeration also also
hollow shell
She's a Superboss
... technically you could just stop playing at Yharon I guess, if you don't wanna experience the content after him
or any boss for that matter
depends on what you consider "optional" to mean
ashen warren
maybe the first fight against dog could be a copy like calamitas
hollow shell
Eh, would be too close in progression
and we already have Storm Weaver
hallow kraken
Also scal being an eye is temporary
Oh wait someone already said that
And I don’t see the reason to make DoG harder, he’s completely fine and fun at his tier
hollow saffron
@maiden bone what do you want implemented
i dont understand
owo is that a boss suggestion i see
sand umbra
DoG is already horrible for newer players as he is to be quite frank
m
hollow saffron
^
hollow shell
It's a bit of a grey area whether splitting DoG into two boss fights counts as a "boss suggestion"
cuz it's not adding anything new
I don't think it counts.
ashen warren
but its not to add a new boss
hallow kraken
I don’t think making yharim’s wacky wonderful double demigod eating worm the final boss would make sense compared to say his loyal pet dragon that saved him from death
ashen warren
dog is a creation of yharim?
hallow kraken
wh
hallow kraken
yharim didn’t make dog, he kinda just appeared randomly in his life to eat some yummy troops
sand umbra
DoG literally only sticks around Yharim for the free food
ashen warren
that has no sense,if the dog serves to yharim that means that he is more than a god
hollow shell
Remember that DoG couldn't beat Signus either
hallow kraken
confusion
gusty geode
He kinda is
hollow shell
Sometimes it comes down to more than just raw power
(the player, for instance, is significantly weaker than literally any boss they fight)
hallow kraken
and plus it’s the official lore and you can’t argue with the official lore
sand umbra
Perfs would like a word with you
hallow kraken
heck
hallow kraken
at terry muse hey can you change the lore so I’m correct
gusty geode
Anyway
In the event a DoppelDoG(?) fight became a thing
I would put it between Sentinels and Polter
You fight the Sentinels, summon what a new player would think is DoG
Beat him, make it seem like DoG is gone
Then you kill Polter
And then gain the ability to fight the real DoG
hollow shell
Calamitas and SCal for instance are waaay separate
sand umbra
daily reminder that Clonamitas and SCal are literally half the game apart
fuck, I've been sniped
gusty geode
Fair
ashen warren
basically the doppelDoG is where the actual DoG is without the second phase and the sentinels but weaker and the real is the same figth as the actual but at the end of the game and stronger
hollow shell
Again, I think the Boss Rush has you covered there
Yharon and SCal kinda deserve to be placed higher than DoG if we're talking about lore
DoG's just a hungry being who's naturally an all-powerful, cocky bitch.
Useful tool for Yharim to dispose of enemies, yes, but pretty much just a really good employee.
Yharon was Yharim's companion for life and SCal has her whole lore... and yknow, Supreme Calamitas kinda the embodiment of the Calamity Mod
(and Draedon, coming after Yharon later, was Yharim's right hand man and the guy who made all his gear)
sand umbra
and then, of course, you have the Big Bad himself
hollow shell
The only things planned after SCal in the future are Yharim himself
followed later by literal actual God
sand umbra
who terrorized all the land and all its subsidaries in his quest for conquest
hollow shell
heh
hollow saffron
On today's episode of "Xul that's kinda cool tho":
Give Exo Freeze a much more unique ability and make less bosses immune to it.
Reason: Exo Freeze is literally just Glacial State/Stoned/Frozen/standing in Minecraft cobwebs with a rebranded name. This really gives it nothing unique at all. Not just that, but many bosses are also immune to it, and the ones that aren't get oneshotted by the weapons that do inflict it(exo weapons). An example of this would be 'freezing' bosses' ability to summon projectiles for a few seconds, after which they get a 30 second period of immunity to the debuff. Thank you for listening to today's episode, Xul out.
P.S.: Limiting bosses' ability to summon projectiles is just an EXAMPLE
hollow shell
Well the problem with that is
When aren't you hitting the bosses with your exo weapons?
You'd be inflicting it all the time
hollow saffron
thats why i said the boss would get a period of immunity
and its just an example of something more unique
sand umbra
Exo Freeze is literally just an excuse to have more cool flavor xd debuffs
hollow saffron
indeed
sand umbra
functionally speaking, anything Exo Freeze can do, Frozen and current Glacial State can do just as well
hollow saffron
if bosses weren't immune to that too 
gusty geode
Aren't most bosses immune to movement-impairing debuffs to remove the need to program how they react to them
hollow saffron
On today's episode of "Xul that's kinda cool tho":
Give Exo Freeze a much more unique ability and make less bosses immune to it.
Reason: Exo Freeze is literally just Glacial State/Stoned/Frozen/standing in Minecraft cobwebs with a rebranded name. This really gives it nothing unique at all. Not just that, but many bosses are also immune to it, and the ones that aren't get oneshotted by the weapons that do inflict it(exo weapons). An example of this would be 'freezing' bosses' ability to summon projectiles for a few seconds, after which they get a 30 second period of immunity to the debuff, although it would be up to the devs to determine what the unique effect would be. Thank you for listening to today's episode, Xul out.
aight
put in a disclaimer
queen delta
Trying to copy thomas' style i see
hollow saffron
smh yata
hollow shell
You could fit that a bit more elegantly into the reason but I guess that's fine
sand umbra
eviscerate (under my hands)
sand umbra
why is everyone copying my special style now 
I didn't sign up for this
(sugg looks good btw)
hollow saffron
thanc
hollow shell
"... 30 second period of immunity to the debuff. Just an example, though, doesn't need to be like this. Thank you... "
somethin like that
hollow saffron
ah ok
aight i changed it
so anything else to change, or am i good to go
ok i assume thats a yes
hollow shell
Wording isn't the best but it's fine
Almost seems like the "unique effect" is a separate thing from the projectile freezing
hollow shell
(why'd you ping him for?)
hollow saffron
On today's episode of "Xul that's kinda cool tho":
Give Exo Freeze a much more unique ability and make less bosses immune to it.
Reason: Exo Freeze is literally just Glacial State/Stoned/Frozen/standing in Minecraft cobwebs with a rebranded name. This really gives it nothing unique at all. Not just that, but many bosses are also immune to it, and the ones that aren't get oneshotted by the weapons that do inflict it(exo weapons). An example of this would be 'freezing' bosses' ability to summon projectiles for a few seconds, after which they get a 30 second period of immunity to the debuff. It's up to the devs though, and as such it doesn't need to be like this.. Thank you for listening to today's episode, Xul out.
sors look in #suggestions-voting
hollow shell
...
hollow saffron
i scrolled up
hollow shell
Wording seems fine now
hollow saffron
🤦♂️
and the exact way in which i scrolled up made it appear as if there was a new sugg with no reason
ok ill post it
hearty yew
@maiden bone I figure this has been talked about earlier, but that isn't really a suggestion.
Dummies have zero defense. Try that same test on an enemy with even 20 defense and you'll see a huge DPS difference.
You can't reliably test DPS on dummies for this reason.
tired haven
One thing I'm concerned about with exo freeze affecting bosses is that their ai goes bonkers
final karma
wdym
tired haven
They do not account for exo freeze stopping them in their tracks, and also sometimes plain cease to function properly (altho the brightest example of that, Spirit of Purity, is from another mod)
gusty geode
I had mentioned that
But Rover said it wasn't an issue
hollow shell
Admittedly I haven't seen it with my own eyes
(except DoG)
I don't know just how broken it can get
tired haven
🤷♀️
hollow shell
I assumed it just set their velocities to 0. It'd cause problems, yeah, but I wouldn't think it'd break anything irreparably
radiant meadow
I barely was able to add a mod call just for the bool of whether the bar shows or not
sand umbra
oh there's a call for that?
sand umbra
I was wondering how to set that up
radiant meadow
next update there will be a mod call so you can detect if the bar is showing or not
it was requested by the YABHB creator
sand umbra
manic yew
Any plans to put the vanilla items on the calamity wiki
cobalt rose
no
void kelp
the wiki has a list of vanilla changes and links to vanilla where relevant
manic yew
The only place I find it's needed is when a vanilla item builds into a calamity item
E.g. solar eruption -> mourningstar
radiant meadow
perhaps the recipe finder page can help you
manic yew
I'll bet it could lol
cobalt rose
=no
manic yew
Thx
zenith hazel
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potent veldt
Ye, mine was repeated lol
zenith hazel
I didn't know he reported my delivered suggestions so eh
distant gyro
I reported everything marked in community sug from 2 days since your last post and -2 days from sug wall
how about next time I ping yer
ashen warren
o
swift wadi
I don't see why you wouldn't just leave it to Brav and the others to do it, not like 6 people need to be reporting in suggs
distant gyro
@ionic olive fox drive if that counts
hollow idol
^
swift wadi
@ionic olive oh boy do I have the item for you [[Fox Drive]]
red stormBOT
tepid root
quality suggestion right there 
ashen warren
split narwhal
Can someone remove that sug?
hollow shell
smh its only existed for 0.1 seconds
ionic olive
Wait
distant gyro
swift wadi
ionic olive
A fox drive?
swift wadi
ye go look at the page I sent
distant gyro
suggestion system is a meme btw epsi
zenith hazel
gonna delete the sugg ig
swift wadi
It doesn't have to be if you don't make it that way
A proper system could very easily be put in place, and I feel it's already mostly implied
hollow idol
here it is in action
ionic olive
I need that
distant gyro
has to mark their own as complete, manually
swift wadi
why does his back feet not make shadows
hollow idol
kill Yharon for it
swift wadi
Are those even shadows? That still doesn't make much sense
quartz hare
specific item? sure
swift wadi
Just make more money
distant gyro
you can time travel back to 2018 to make a specific item sug
hallow hatch
Holy fuck this new suggestion style is awful
hollow idol
time travel back to 2016 if you want it to be accepted guaranteed
distant gyro
and then get chosen at will
hallow hatch
It’s so annoying to read
tepid root
hollow idol
hey man, we got alpha ray out of 2016 specific sugs
hollow shell
YuH why do you know these things
ashen warren
This servers suggestion channel is like the best ive seen
Devs actually care at all
hollow idol
I know too much
distant gyro
Crimsaber, Genisis line, Spark Spreader, Black Hawk Remote are current afaik
and thank
hollow shell
Shadecrystal seems like an odd one
distant gyro
implemented suggested items on trivia when
hollow shell
I have thought about doing that
hollow idol
"unnecesary"
hollow shell
YuH if you could compile a list of all implemented suggested items that'd be great thanks
hollow idol
will do it eventually
distant gyro
hollow shell
nice
radiant meadow
2 more suggestion items coming next update™️
swift wadi
Providab's is one iirc
radiant meadow
perhaps
swift wadi
maybe™️
hollow idol
swift wadi
:fear:
hollow shell
Technically not a bluecheck but this one did get delivered yesterday
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/671717166910930964
I give you a spiritual Half-Bluecheck
for attempting to solve the same problem
:P
distant gyro
@swift wadi one of your suggestions maybe implemented; maybe two
hallow hatch
Holy fuck when y’all gonna stop suggesting likes it a video game adaptation of an anime’s dev update post
green pumice
@ashen warren thats a don't suggest moment
hallow hatch
Exactlyyy
tired haven
I blame thomas for all this unneeded flavor spreading into masses 
hollow shell
Indeed
hollow shell
image doesn't have much meaning on its own, but
y'all recognize the font and bg
tired haven
hallow hatch
Bruh
green pumice
just delete the sugg and it'll be fine
swift wadi
True melee is a subclass by definition
hallow hatch
and the fucking pre boss flamethrower stuff
It’s a subclass, no reason for these suggs
green pumice
a subclass is basically a smaller group of a class
hallow hatch
Or early game guns
green pumice
so any class that isnt melee, ranger, mage, summoner or rouge is a subclass
hallow hatch
My point is there is lots of talk, or so I’ve heard, of adding prehm guns, scal true melee, etc for the sole reason of “true melee/ranger/Yoyo is difficult and hard to do”
hallow hatch
It is
hallow hatch
But I’ve heard people say they need a new true melee to make scal in true melee viable
hallow hatch
That’s not my argument
It’s definitely possible but people want more versatility for the sole reason of “difficult so make easy”
green pumice
the only reason i see for these subclasses is that youtube revenue babyyyyy
tepid root
tired haven
It only became a thing because ranger came with shroomite helmets, change my mind
hollow shell
I'm pretty sure people would make the distinction between swords and boomerangs regardless of whether there was a unique damage buffing precedent set
tired haven
I'd not be so sure because without a precedent separating these things doesn't really make sense
Summoner has melee summons and ranged summons, yet even currently no one talks about that 
hollow shell
There's no separation precedent between Wands, Tomes, and Magic Guns apart from visual style, yet they're separated nonetheless
... which yeah I guess it doesn't make too much sense but it's good for organization
tired haven
Le shrug
I mean, it's highly unlikely for shroomite helmets to be the exact cause but well, that's certainly one of the bigger factors
It's not like wiki forced the subclasses into community, since it's organization sake as you mentioned
hallow hatch
Everyone got the Thomas style
swift wadi
smh
hallow hatch
Y’all should get yo own styles
tired haven
It's worse because it's 
all over again
lost agate
Its but stretched to a paragraph
tired haven
Accurate
zenith hazel
yeah this is just getting repetitive, it contributes basically nothing to suggestions
if you're going to suggest something, get to the point instead of having a long-winded introduction
zenith hazel
it started off normal with 1 person, then it started to become a trend which was really unnecessary
tired haven
Personally I do like to bring up trivia in suggestions but only if it is directly linked with the subject of said suggestion
zenith hazel
yes you can give context to your suggestion, obviously, but at least that has a meaning to the suggestion itself
swift wadi
I feel bad for Thomas, I thought his style of sugg was pretty funny and a refresher tbh, but now it's gonna be memed so much I dont think it'll have any impact anymore
tired haven
Can't exactly agree because funny or not it was a mild distraction, but as OC that suffers a lot due to copycat tendency that will get the whole thing banned
swift wadi
I didn't personally see it as a distraction, it was a simple start to a suggestion, now it's getting repetitive sure but i like his suggs having some personality
Should all suggs have personality? Does it make the sugg itself better? No, but still I see no harm
zenith hazel
does a suggestion need personality when you're just suggesting to add/adjust/remove something from the mod?
the whole point is that it's straightforward
tired haven
Personality is here only to appeal to people more tbh
zenith hazel
I'd argue that content is more important than personality
tired haven
Indeed, brav
But that's how it be currently
(it's not like i personally miss out on flavor either when suggesting but eh)
frail mantle
Tbh I see it kinda like slapping a sprite onto your suggestion
swift wadi
I don't wanna argue it or anything, because it's a really small thing that isn't like end of the world, and I for sure agree that at this point it's just annoying
split narwhal
Btw is my sug good or does it need improvement?
zenith hazel
it's like having a sprite on there yea, yet way less effort and way less flooding
frail mantle
Doesn’t necessarily do any harm but sure as hell catches people’s attention
tired haven
iirc it does harm to suggestor unless their sprite was art-tier
frail mantle
I know because I’m guilty of it
zenith hazel
mspaint sugma 
tired haven
(remember all the "eugh is this recolored x")
frail mantle
distant gyro
the next thing you know there will be someone come in with a 5-paragraph essay properly formatted in MLA; you know what, that's such a fresh style that it might as well be effective
tired haven
i thought half a screen suggestions were already discouraged? 
radiant meadow
absolutely not letting bosses inflicted with glacial state
movement affecting debuffs can potentially break the AI
queen delta
Also that’s just incredibly op
Yes, I agree bosses should be immune to less debuffs, but glacial state shouldnt be one of them
austere lion
elemental mix
quartz hare
^
lost agate
Also wot is that formula for
lofty blade
what
zenith hazel
I smell meme suggestion
frail mantle
meme sugg moment
versed tundra
@blissful pine 
zenith hazel
yeah no meme suggestions please
hollow shell
uh ohhh
blissful pine
its not a meme, it is a serious suggestion. I think it would be really entertaining
zenith hazel
or at least give a valid reason other than "haha sans"
hollow shell
It is, actually
blissful pine
Ok give me a moment
versed tundra
Sans is a meme
zenith hazel
adrenaline has no correlation to sans
blissful pine
let me go type up a whole fucking paragraph about why adrenaline should give the player a blue eye brb
placid moth
did you mean: some sort of visual effect to indicate adrenaline mode
versed tundra
If the point was "visibility" then you'd have chosen something easier to see about the player than an eye color change
placid moth
the idea is there, i guess
hollow shell
iirc the player already emits dust?
placid moth
what
swift bison
it's not all that noticeable tho
hollow shell
Yeah it could be more obvious
lofty blade
but adrenaline is a conscious action that you make, and comes with a sound effect along with a massive boost to your damage, i don't really see the need for the usage to be more obvious
hollow shell
Not the usage, but the duration
swift bison
what if rage and adrenaline mode both drew an animated flame aura over the player or something
hollow shell
I always look up at the buff bar for the icon
which is a tad annoying
swift bison
red for rage, blue or green for adren
hollow shell
(I would say "something like a DBZ aura" but the DBT men wouldn't like that)
placid moth
I dont rly notice the buff icon, it's like 5 seconds and I need to fully focus on aiming
fleet night
wait theres a buff icon?
placid moth
fleet night
i always judge it by when my character stops sparking
blissful pine
Ok i wrote up that damn paragraph
fleet night
also i use the other glowy eye thing already
hollow shell
Well the thing is, now
The blue eye is unnecessarily specific
You could just say "a more obvious visual effect on the player" or something
lofty blade
can't there be a more noticeable effect or somet- yeah ^
loud steeple
SANS!!!!!!
fleet night
AHHHHHHHHH
quiet abyss
Can ya both not
blissful pine
I'm just saying, a big thick blue trail emitting from your characters forehead is a very obvious indicator of adrenaline
hollow shell
Doesn't need to be the forehead
fleet night
maybe just a blue dust trail
blissful pine
but it could be
quiet abyss
Just any visual indicator to make it more obvious would be fine
blissful pine
it doesnt need to be, but it can
hollow shell
It could be, but it doesn't need to be
Which is why your suggestion should be more general
quiet abyss
^ No need to specify it
hollow shell
There's nothing intrinsic to foreheads that would make the indication more obvious than just emiting from the center of the character
safe sail
is there not the bwoom sound when it hits full
frail mantle
rather say something like "Give the player a more clear indicator when the player uses Adrenaline, like a blue eye"
mighty mica
He wants to know when the adrenaline runs out
safe sail
like a discharge type sound
blissful pine
I mean, there were other undertale references back in the earlier days of the mod
hollow shell
Considering Adrenaline Burnout is getting removed
we could reuse that sound for when it runs out
swift bison
Drew some really quick range and adrenaline play aura concepts
safe sail
oh bruh
mighty mica
thats exactly what I was thinking yeah rover
safe sail
why is burnout getting slapped
mighty mica
that would be very good imo
placid moth
epic
hollow shell
I dunno why burnout existed in the first place
lofty blade
that would be a great idea
fleet night
and now im just imagining Yharim just sitting there with a constant flame
zenith hazel
burnout is dead next update anyway
loud steeple
Burnout was just... annoying
swift bison
ye having the burnout sound play for adren runnning out is a good idea
hollow shell
It's not like you could properly time an automatic meter
not easily anyway
versed tundra
What is burnout?
lofty blade
it existed to keep people from just saving up their adrenaline to skip a specific phase iirc
safe sail
i mean something different than a sputtering out sound would be better imo
placid moth
^why would you keep ppl from saving their adrena for appropriate moments
lofty blade
burn out is when adrenaline deals less damage because you didn't use it
hollow shell
Adrenaline gets weaker if your meter is full for too long and you don't activate it
versed tundra
Oh
karmic stone
I panicked whenever I heard burnout tbh 
safe sail
hollow saffron
doesnt adrenaline have a thing at the top
like
a bar
that charges
or something like that
mighty mica
but he apparently doesnt want to look at it since hes focused on dodging
lost agate
Burnout existed because death adren memed on too much shit the moment you got it
But now that adren isnt gonna be as strong AND getting hit even when its full removes it, theres basically no reason to have burnout anymore
karmic stone
Ok but
zenith hazel
tone down with the fragmenting please
loud steeple
I just allways forgot I had adrenaline since I wanted to be in a half decent spot to use it but since my memory is shit j would forget it 3 seconds after I got it
hollow saffron
imean like you can tell when adrenaline runs out
karmic stone
Imagine rippers without a sound that tells you it's filled
hollow shell
imagine reading damage numbers in the middle of a fight
safe sail
maybe there could be a sort of small debuff damage after using adrenaline
hollow shell
I'm pretty sure just
a sound for when it runs out will suffice.
hollow saffron
yes
mighty mica
byeah I think reusing the burnout sound for when it runs out would be fantastic
safe sail
cause adrenaline eats energy like hell in the real world
loud steeple
I think a debuff for after rage runs out would be better then adrenaline
safe sail
or maybe it could charge faster on low hp
hollow saffron
why should there be a debuff for rage
lost agate
Yeah the burnout sound would be like when you eat too much sugar and all the energy goes away
hollow saffron
"You realize the consequences of your bloody stabbing spree"
loud steeple
Maybe they both could have a tired debuff?
lost agate
and then you faint
hollow saffron
rage charging faster on low hp sounds good tho
safe sail
burnout is something passing off not an "all done" sound
hollow saffron
adrenaline could charge faster above 50%
placid moth
no more ripper strats to skip yhar phases i guess
lost agate
Good luck
lost agate
quartz hare
sa-
lost agate
Youre late
safe sail
infact ima put in suggestions what i want adrenaline to be hol up
hollow saffron
send it er etho
gusty geode
Sa
quartz hare
ns
zenith hazel
enough with the sans.
blissful pine
would it be at a % of your health or after taking a certain amount of damage or once you get to like, 100 health
safe sail
like it could probably charge up before the near death part but you need to be on the verge to activate it
im thinking around 25%
also what do any of the reacts besides star means in suggs
sand umbra
if WoF gets a homing projectile I'm actually gonna flip my shit
can we not do this meme
night cradle
WoF buff 
ashen warren
how is that a meme
tepid root
god please no
ashen warren
wof is way too easy
frail mantle
do Leeches or whatever those worm fucks are called count as homing projectiles
safe sail
try the other difficulties
tepid root
yes but homing projectile is definitely not the way to make it harder
night cradle
WoF is already hard enough on Rev and higher
Especially with charges, lasers and respawning Hungries
sand umbra
then give it attacks that are actually unique and build off of the pre-existing ideas induced by the boss
placid moth
@ashen warren if you want a difficult wof just go maso or something
sand umbra
don't give it an uninspired homing projectile that doesn't actually solve anything and just makes the fight stupid
tepid root
^^^
ashen warren
ok then how about mouth spitting fire
placid moth
what the fuck
tepid root
lol maso
safe sail
yup
sand umbra
honestly I think WoF is probably fine as it is
night cradle
^
quartz hare
^
sand umbra
it isn't exactly a very complex boss
setting up its arena is the real boss fight here, you have to understand
safe sail
we dont need to make getting to hm some great leap
subtle oracle
Wof is literally just running straight to the left or right, the lasers never touch you if you do so
safe sail
having to grind to the best of the best to scrape by
ashen warren
Yes
safe sail
they do
ashen warren
Thats why i suggested that
sand umbra
yes, and that makes up for it taking 5 years to make an arena for the Great Waffle
frail mantle
except WoF constantly moves up and down
sand umbra
all while being fucked in the ass by a billion Hell enemies
safe sail
so wtf do the reacts in suggestions mean
ashen warren
wof moving up and done isnt a problem
safe sail
the exclamation and the check and the flag and stuff
frail mantle
so unless you use literal hours to create the perfect waffle arena simply walking doesn't really help
tepid root
that is correct, but a homing projectile thatll force you to move slowly in wof, will fuck you up so hard, especially at low hp
placid moth
honestly you can just use luiafk to cheese the arena
safe sail
arenas 
quiet abyss
(Check pins next time)
https://gyazo.com/2b6bde522c015746bffae76221a6af33
sand umbra
hmm yes this boss that requires a ton of setup in an environment that is incredibly hostile should be really difficult and discourage the literal only strategy for the fight! this won't make newer players tear their hair out at all, nope!
placid moth
is that the oran berry blissey
sand umbra
bruh I don't fuckin' know
blissful pine
Any suggestion I dont like is a meme and should not be added!!!!
sand umbra
I always thought it was Kirby
placid moth
oh god
night cradle
WoF is only really easy if you prepare much for it
Same goes for others, yes, but for this one specifically because of how WoF and the Underworld work
quiet abyss
^
tepid root
good argument man
sand umbra
literally the best way to explain it
safe sail
i already have to fight a 24k hp wof with moon lord beams and hella speed
ashen warren
Other bosses cannot be nohitted effortlessly like wof even if u have a good arena
quiet abyss
If you don't prepare for it for hours and try to fight it with uneven grounds and towers in the way then WoF can be rather difficult
safe sail
and can barely manage that
sand umbra
90% of the difficulty in WoF lies in the sheer unpredictability of the Underworld and its terrain
not to mention the enemies that constantly harass you when you do try to set up shop
quartz hare
fight wof without arena so here's a difficty
tepid root
lava slimes
quiet abyss
Anyways, the point had been made several times already, so the convo should be wrapped up now.
safe sail
bOsS zEn
sand umbra
ye, point's been made
frail mantle
^
ashen warren
ok beat the boss*
sand umbra
my work here is done, time for me to vanish into the shadows once more...or something
🛫
safe sail
💥
quartz hare
fervent citrus
that one suggestion about the eye
hollow shell
@blissful pine So, are you going to make your suggestion more general or no?
fervent citrus
i like it
fervent citrus
it seems fine ccept for the word damn in the wrong place
hollow shell
Welp
quartz hare
haha sands jokes
hollow shell
yknow
it wouldn't be hard to edit the suggestion
It could be valid and not a meme if you just changed a few words
zenith hazel
cryo’s getting reworked anyway
sand umbra
I'm stunned
someone actually wants to buff Cryogen
hollow shell
Then change it
ashen warren
What few words
zenith hazel
so I’d say wait and see how new cryo turns out to suggest changing him again
ashen warren
For the wof one?
safe sail
fervent citrus
cause its a meme sadly
hollow shell
You prefaced this whole convo with "haha sans"
tepid root
sans from undertale
hollow shell
That was your original reason
blissful pine
And i changed it
zenith hazel
but it’s still a blue eye, no?
hollow shell
But you didn't change the actual meme part
blissful pine
I wrote a whole paragraph about why I was making the suggestion
frail mantle
Cryoven is meant to be the easiest HM boss
hollow shell
The blue eye is not intrinsic to your reason
You could say "any more obvious effect" or something on those lines
keen geyser
because he's getting reworked
zenith hazel
I just said cryo’s getting reworked, so just wait and see
safe sail
enjoyable > hard as balls
hollow shell
Why have you chosen Sans as your hill to die on
ashen warren
ok then ill delete it
placid moth
Are you going to make my Cryo experience even more insufferable
sand umbra
tbf that's an issue of all three Mechanical Bosses being considerably overtuned but I'll address that some other time
fervent citrus
xD
sand umbra
anywho yeah there really isn't a need to buff Cryogen so much as just. make him more interesting
which I figure the upcoming rework will do just fine
blissful pine
Gee I didnt realise people got so heated over a fucking blue eye
karmic stone
You're the only one who's mad here but ok
fervent citrus
basically, i know what you want, alula, and i see why youre confused, when i just entered the server (im not saying you did), i suggested adding the rod of discord, and yea, it was inevitably a meme....
but then, i was told off for the suggestion and, like you, wondered why were people so mad, but later i noticed how the idea was i little too... meme-ish (im not saying i dont like memes, dont get me wrong, but there kinda is a limit well have to deal with)
so i just lived with it
keen geyser
there is no realistic reason you would need to know when your adrenaline is over, is there?
sand umbra
pretty sure you'd know anyway when your damage stops being extra kek
keen geyser
like you're holding left click whether you have adrenaline or not
therefore that sugma is simply for the reference, unless I'm missing something
fervent citrus
but still the eye would be kinda funny not suggesting it dont kill me pls
lost agate
Ya know the running strat only works when you have an extremely good arena right
If someone took that long to make an arena for the running strat to work, then probably you shouldnt punish them for it 
quiet abyss
(Convo's been wrapped up already, no need to bring it up again)
lost agate
(oshit i missed it sorry)
quiet abyss
(You're fine lol)
keen geyser
again with the unreleased change sugmas
karmic stone
@normal otter That's a don't
tepid root
cobalt rose
devs: don't suggest things related to upcoming content
people: that sign won't stop me because i can't read
hollow idol
This logic applies to any mention of
I almost suggested adding check the pins to the server name once while i was sleep deprived
hollow shell
@normal otter You don't know how thick the haze will be, if it'll be severe enough to cause problems to the visually impaired
(the screenshot in announcements was a joke)
fervent citrus
xD
it needs to be more p u r p l e
he wants to set it beyond max in the config files
dense ferry
Acctually, I did a suggestion a while back, where I suppose the change of the laser sprite ravager shoot to a blood burst, by many reasons. It got the 90 stars, and accepted by the devs, but, I don't know if it happened to decide to not implent or if the sug got lost in time, but until now I have no idea if the devs discarted the option or forgot about it. Sorry if I'm breaking any rule by this comment, just want to know what happened about my suggestion
dense ferry
Ok
hollow idol
“accepted by devs”
it doesnt have a flag so it isnt guaranteed
dense ferry
It's a bit old, so I thought that maybe they could have forgot about it
queen sail
I’m not sure why Ravager has lasers
radiant meadow
Approved does not mean it is going to be implemented
It just means a couple of devs approved of the change
dense ferry
I know
It's because the sugg is old, and I never received a "accepted but not implemented", so I decided to say it here
radiant meadow
What's the issue?
dense ferry
Honestly, just me being impacient, sorry about that
hollow shell
We get a lotta suggestions
and a lot of em are liked but later forgotten
(or, planned for later)
It's understandable to be concerned but acknowledge that a majority of delivered suggestions go unimplemented, even if approved
dense ferry
Ok, thanks for saying
hollow shell
We can't implement everything or we'd have no time to do our own stuff :P
Your suggestion would admittedly not be difficult to do
hollow idol
ravager has lasers because of his original concept which wasnt a bloody machine and him still having them is an unchanged remnant
dense ferry
No problems, I just got really excited about it being accepted and all
normal otter
Yes ik it was a joke
Its just consideration for these types of people
Im not saying to remove it entirely
hollow shell
Nah, the problem is that it's a suggestion about an upcoming feature
which isn't allowed, because you haven't experienced it in-game yet and it's also still subject to change before the update releases
lost agate
Lemme just put some perspective here
People: Suggest changes to upcoming stuff
Devs: Already did it way before the suggestion or was planned visibleconfusion.png (
)
Long story short: A changelog doesnt quite equal to experience
well thats said a lot already so idk why im repeating
shell lynx
Maybe my arena isn’t set up properly but I absolutely can’t just run in a straight line the whole WoF fight
wide flicker
Honestly I have more problems with running too fast for the wall
But I think Rev+ fixes that (correct me if I am wrong)
shell lynx
I’m currently trying but there isn’t really an easy sweet spot for the wall
lost agate
For running strat on wof you basically have to do all of this:
shell lynx
If you’re too close he won’t charge but you don’t really get space to dodge
lost agate
- kinda flatten hell so the eyes dont get in the same altitude as you
- make sure theres enough space so the eyes are far enough away from each other
- put a platform in the very middle
gusty geode
I forget, can Leeches fly?
Or do WoF's minions even matter to the fight
shell lynx
Flatten hell
lost agate
So uh, yeah i dont see why people shouldnt have the comfort of doing running strat if they do all of this
You can just kill leeches and hungries
shell lynx
perfectly easy if you have other mods to flatten it for you
safe sail
if you squish wof into a really small space can you hit all 3 segments at once
lost agate
Byeah
safe sail
with piercing
lost agate
But again
Thats a lot of unnecesary terraforming
And i dont see why there should be a countermeasure to it
I fucken despise hell worldgen so getting punished for dealing with it is 
gusty geode
Preparation for the fight doesn't count as part of the fight itself imo
Should still be a challenge even with a proper arena
lost agate
Bleh
shell lynx
Half the fight is against ash blocks
lost agate
If taking 10 hours preparing an arena doesnt pay off then why bother
wide flicker
It still would pay off because the arena isn’t terrible
It just makes the fight not too easy
shell lynx
I don’t really like when the wall charges into your face and lasers you at a distance where you can’t get away
Maybe that’s a me thing though
gusty geode
How's it punishing tho
The changes would still be there whether you have a bridge or not
shell lynx
His leeches are a homing attack if you think about it
lost agate
If you dont do this overkill arena the homing shit is gonna nuke you
gusty geode
Fair
wide flicker
True, but you are probably getting nuked even if you don’t make the arena, unless you are good
lost agate
Idk why im arguing this when a mod said to drop it already 
shell lynx
Oh they did?
lost agate
Yes
shell lynx
I did not see that, sorry
wide flicker
Apologies
lost agate
Anyway, if people want that shit in, theres the star, nothing else
gusty geode
Would I get warned for saying that shutting down the conversation does nothing but ensure a solution won't be found
lost agate
gusty geode
If I could propose another idea tho
What if detached Hungries shot additional lasers
Would make them matter a bit more to the fight
And fix the problem of being able to just run to win, as lasers would be coming from more angles
sand umbra
a solution won't be found because there is no problem in the first place
and that's the end of that
lost agate
Theres smth terry told me
"If something can be a disadvantage for you, it should be a disadvantage for the opponent too if you use it well"
Or smth like that
sand umbra
them sounds like some solid words to live by
lost agate
Case in point, if the hell landscape is a disadvantage to you, it should be a disadvantage to wof if you use it well
safe sail
dark souls enemies can backstab crit you just as you can backstab crit them
sand umbra
the Underworld's landscape at first is an enormous disadvantage to the player and WoF can take full advantage of it
knowledge of how the boss does this and the ability to work around it can thus turn the same mechanic into an advantage by significantly reducing the threat level of the fight, and it all relies on whether you really know your stuff
lost agate
(also hi terry how ya doin)
sand umbra
there we go, I fixed it
totally didn't press enter like two words into that instead of apostrophe
lost agate
Harhar
gusty geode
Fair
sand umbra
byeah
the downside to WoF being trivialized by such a strategy is that because of Hell's landscape it takes fucking eons to set up a sufficiently long arena in such a manner
it balances out
safe sail
the underworldD
sand umbra
shut the fuck
safe sail
shut it for me
sand umbra
gusty geode
Hungries being nothing but brief distractions/meat shields is another issue tho
I think
sand umbra
it really isn't
safe sail
theyre red sponges in my experience
sand umbra
WoF is very much a test of player patience and prep
safe sail
giant red sponges
sand umbra
the amount of trouble you will encounter while fighting the Great Waffle is directly and inversely proportional to the amount of time you put into preparing the proper arena for it
lost agate
My point is, if i take ages preparing for something, and whats more something specific then why on earth should it be patched
safe sail
also how in the world does adrenaline reset when you get hit
getting bonked by a giant eye is pretty stressful i imagine
lost agate
Like, one thing is having enough space for wof, the other is knowing that you need it to be at least semi flat AND needs a platform in the middle
Its not something you just do casually unless someone told you
sand umbra
in short:
it's one thing to fight a boss.
it's another, and often much more difficult, thing entirely to outsmart it.
lost agate
Well, now i go
sand umbra
imma bounce too, probably, I think I've made the point clear enough
gusty geode
That makes sense and all
I just don't like the idea of all the challenge in a boss being the preparation
Maybe that's just me
lost agate
Well thats what you get if the boss is a wall in a cramped space 
With buildings that can cockblock your patch cuz why tf not
Well now i go for real
gusty geode
What qualifies as "up-coming content" for the purposes of suggestions
Thinking of suggesting a few general ideas for enemies to add some flavor to the world and maybe make some materials easier to get
lost agate
Eeeeh, imo as long as its not already on changelogs or smth you should be good to go
gusty geode
Ight cool
Random Enemy Ideas
These are new enemies designed to fill in bare areas of the game, make some materials easier to get, and overall add flavor
Chlorotortoise
A variant of the Giant Tortoise that has something changed about it (maybe it could shoot a projectile or sometimes reflect projectiles) and drops Chlorophyte Ore. Would make it a little easier to farm.
Corrupt/Crimson Pollution Puffer
A floating ball of Corruption/Crimson biomass that flies around passively, regularly releasing clouds of damaging gas that linger for a while, restricting movement. Drops fair amounts of Vile/Vicious Powder on death.
Have a few more ideas
At least for difficult-to-get items that could be given an enemy
But how's that for a start
Considered suggesting making Armored Diggers spawn as soon as Hardmode starts again and having them always drop a random Mech summon
But I imagine that wouldn't go over well
hollow shell
hrm
They're not specific item suggestions but regardless they give me reason to pause
and yeah we already have Permafrost for mech summon purposes
gusty geode
Yeah
There aren't really any rules on enemy suggestions afaik probably because no-one makes them
Maybe we could get some?
sand umbra
Vile n' Vicious Powder aren't really difficult to get per se
both can be bought from the resident fruit salad during a blood moon
also both can be crafted from their respective 'shrooms
void kelp
the fruit salad?
void kelp
ohh
