suggesting new biomes is in the Don'ts iirc
#suggestions-discussion
frail mantle
ashen warren
I wasnt suggestions a new biome
cobalt rose
its a structure, so it would still be a don't
ashen warren
I was just talking about small structures like that tiny vanilla box room with pre hatdmode liot
Oh ok
I thought when it said that it ment suggestions a specific structure not just structures in general
tired haven
Anything that has to do with unique worldgen would most likely fall under that rule
So yeah
ashen warren
Wow it's the real crabbar
I've been watching your vids recently
They are very well made
hollow saffron
planter box person
cobalt rose
?
ashen warren
Boulder too
hallow kraken
off topic
queen sail
nothing left to explore post ml
Well
What do you have, honestly
Vanilla’s not built for post ml
ashen warren
Exactly which is why it would be epic if CA made more to explore post ML
cobalt rose
the lower 2 layers of the abyss count as a post-ML area to explore, but let's be honest, you don't have any reason to go down there until post-polter
ashen warren
@queen sail similar to the two evils after WoF there could be two new biomed (not necessarily spreading biomes) that appears post ML
ashen warren
No I said non corruption biomes
I was just suggesting that they could use they code that already exists for the random placement of the two evils to work off of. But they can make it so it doesnt spread
hallow kraken
thematically what could be added
gusty geode
I am that one person 
ashen warren
Bat mox I would try to be creative and give you and example but people would probably just yell at me telling me that I'm not allowed to request a specific biome or structure, and to check the pins next time
frail mantle
We wouldn’t yell at you but we would tell you to read the pins because some of the most important things to remember when making a suggestion are in the pins
teal ibex
i know i missed the convo about it earlier, and i know it's really not necessary at all
but when i first played calamity i was wicked sad that there was no cosmilite pickaxe tbh
tired haven
let's instead ask for spectre pickaxe upgrade post-polter that has +80 range 
teal ibex
ok hear me out
tired haven
(it's a joke but yknow)
teal ibex
let's ask for both.
tired haven
runic heath
Where's my unlimited range pickaxe
smh where are my more progressive damaging pickaxes, you're ruining my subclass run
tired haven
Ah yes, toolist, the greatest memee subclass of them all
queen sail
Devourer of Rocks
runic heath
I mean you gotta use the best tool, elemental axe
radiant meadow
when someone sprites it and sprites it good
teal ibex
alright brb starting my spriting career
verbal hatch
ok but hear me out
an upgrade to the Crystal Crusher
open the map
mine literally anything without even moving
ashen warren
- Add a way to negate/lessen the effects of mana sickness.
- This could be appended with an accessory/potion or other effect maybe from mage armor.
Why?: Certain weapons still use so much mana that they are pretty much useless without a mana flower because mana regen potions cannot keep up, rendering quite a few late-game magic weapons much weaker than alternatives because of the penalty from mana sickness.
thoughts?
void kelp
is this w mana reduction and max mana in mind?
ashen warren
this is with weapons like Last Prism in mind where they are meant to be powerful but mana sickness renders them almost useless because of their mana usage
void kelp
I guess the next question is, do you have kill times compared to other weapons in the tier?
ashen warren
No but I can get them
radiant meadow
calming & battle pots, and water/peace candles were buffed to compensate for the zen/zerg/chaos/tranq nerf
hexed ore
What does "enemy aggro" even mean?
wooden wedge
nobody knows
hexed ore
So why do Calming pots exist
void kelp
normal enemies targeting you
wooden wedge
they reduce enemy spawns
tired haven
Tbh i have brought up mana and magic during tests a lot recently, so it's a known issue to some degree
Though of course catching especially bad weapons due to mana issue is welcome
cyan lagoon
Doesnt invisibility also reduce "aggro"?
wooden wedge
it just says that it reduces aggresion
void kelp
ye
cyan lagoon
But that doesnt reduce spawns
void kelp
reduces range for enemy targeting iirc
wooden wedge
when in function it reduces spawn rates/spawn cap
https://terraria.gamepedia.com/Calming_Potion I'd reccomend reading this
the stats aren't the same in calamity because it was buffed but the actual funtion is the same
wooden wedge
toxic kettle
why does the Battle Potion buff spawn rates by so much more than Calming Potions reduce them 
also 48.15% and 30.07% seem oddly specific
wooden wedge
because ben failed math class ig
tired haven
Do they stack additively or as multiplier?
Because that makes reductions a lot better
radiant meadow
@languid badger suggestions like that are in the Suggestion Don'ts document
specifically buffing early game bosses like King Slime and Desert Scourge
toxic kettle
ngl I had to read that new suggestion a few times before I got it
radiant meadow
also, when I made those numbers, I didn't know that vanilla boosts were capped
and modded boosts bypassed the caps
tired haven
sighs and reaches out to Don't doc
frail mantle
also KS kinda already has anti-rope cheese in Rev+
tired haven
teal ibex
that example might want to be updated 
toxic kettle
give King Slime a death ray attack for the hell of it
gusty grail
tired haven
It's a joke anyway so uh
dense ferry
I would joke, but now I think I'm too late
runic heath
Make KS force iron heart and arma on
hallow kraken
just make KS turn you into a fool mentioned in his lore item
cinder robin
No
hallow kraken
give KS give an attack that doesn’t deal damage but instead makes you question your degrading mental ability
runic heath
Make KS summon SCal after 10 minutes as a fun Easter egg
actually low boss killing only SCAL 
long granite
I'd like to suggest something, but I'm not sure if it will break one of the numerous rules or not ...
void kelp
which is why you can show us a draft here!
frail mantle
^
void kelp
that’s what’s suggested to do
frail mantle
feel free to post your ideas in here before posting in #suggestions-voting in case your suggestion breaks any rules/needs a little tweaking
dense ferry
Last one, let's give KS a series of numerous that have a chance of 0.00001% of happening, and when happens it will summon every single boss on the game, also Iron Heart and Armageddon will be turned on 
frail mantle
dense ferry
I think I went too far
void kelp
bad meme
long granite
Hmm, that's true ... Oh well, let's see then !
It's about adding monoliths based on Calamity's biomes. Some of us (especially on Reddit) does structures and buildings based on biomes, but we only have the music boxes. I thought about it during my Brimstone Cathedral contruction : the forest doesn't seem right, so I wondered if it was possible to suggest that ...
frail mantle
that has already been suggested before
void kelp
when was it last suggested?
hollow saffron
@languid badger 
that's in the donts
frail mantle
the 28th of december
void kelp
I forgot when the blue check cutoff was
long granite
Oh ?
Well, at least I'm not the only on to think about it !
frail mantle
bluecheck cutoff was the first of july iirc
long granite
Found it
Hmm, it seems they only asked for Astral ... well, at least having one new monolith will be enough in my opinion. I can use Solar until then I guess
void kelp
if you suggest it + the new thing that counts as different enough to not be blue checked
versed tundra
@hexed ore you can farm souls by killing king slime in the right biome
that doesn't help with all items, but it's an alternative to zerg potions
hollow shell
also yeah Battles are buffed
karmic stone
Increase the amount of Revivify Potions obtained in 1 craft
The current recipe is a little difficult to complete until Post-Golem (With Spread Rod being unlocked and Cinder being dropped by Golem itself) which is fine, but then there's the price of 5 Crystal Shards for 1 pot. Crystal Shards are not hard to get, but you need some time to get a decent amount for crafting Revivify Pots and even so you'll see yourself needing to get some more soon because Revivify only lasts 30 seconds, so overall it seems that the time needed to get a considerable amount of these pots is unbalanced with the time they'll actually last
keen geyser
+1
hollow shell
Yeah it's pretty frickin expensive
radiant meadow
perhaps
karmic stone
Yhea the only reason I'm not gonna make them is because I don't want to suffer for so long in order to refill my Crystals and then run out of Revivify in like 4 fights
So should I post?
radiant meadow
I always forget revivify exists sure go ahead
hollow shell
like jesus
karmic stone
Oh even the Blood Orb recipe is wack
hollow shell
Endurance Potion is only 10 Blood Orbs, btw
and it has an arguably larger DR boost for 8x the duration
hollow shell
Yharim's Stimulants is also 50
and it lasts 30 minutes
radiant meadow
make stims take 100
hollow shell
Make Revivify take 20 
radiant meadow
I'm only obligated to do it if it gets sent.
hollow shell
m
radiant meadow
versed tundra
Yharim's stimulant is expensive though
karmic stone
Kill Crystal Shards from the game entirely because most not-1-time recipes that have them are hell lol
versed tundra
And it stacks with it's ingredients
Crystal darts @karmic stone
Crystal darts are super sweet and cheap
karmic stone
The only problems I have when making Yharim's using the normal recipe are Titan Pots (Shiverthorn is not nice) and Endurance because fishing gets good starting from Plant (extra lures are yes nice)
versed tundra
IMO fishing is good as soon as you kill scourge
because you get tons of stuff that would require days of grinding in vanilla
but I digress
shiverthorn isn't harder to get than other plants
in fact, the most annoying one is the deathorn because it gives seeds more more rarely
making a plant farm is as simple as buying like 50+ planter boxes and making 6 lines
I'm still mad I haven't found a staff of regrown, despite being in post-ML, though
harsh grove
hard agree, extra lures when fishing are just objectively the best thing ever
this is why I love battle rods
sand umbra
Kill Crystal Shards from the game entirely because most not-1-time recipes that have them are hell lol
ok 🅱️uster
Crystal Darts, Crystal Bullets, and Greater Healing Potions are already piss easy to make as is
radiant meadow
imagine crafting greater healing pots though
versed tundra
Imagine breaking pots in the abyss to farm for soup
hallow hatch
Also, how do y’all feel about the game giving the Revify heal a rework
Rn it can’t heal against fatal damage, so what’s your opinion on changing the heal to be the same time/before the damage
sand umbra
I don't like Revivify too much tbf
it's a glorified but weaker Endurance Potion obtainable much later in the game
sand umbra
Revivify is effectively 6.67%
Endurance is 10% before the cap
even taking the cap into account Endurance is better in most practical scenarios
radiant meadow
it's only 6.67%?
sand umbra
isnt' it 1/15 of all damage?
I remember that being it, anyway
maybe I'm being retarded again, lemme double check
okay yeah it's 1/15
sand umbra
if it were 10% it'd be straight-up a better Endurance Potion 
since, as you mentioned, it isn't affected by the DR cap
radiant meadow
I could buff it to like 1/12, reduce the recipe cost, and increase it to 1-2 minutes
sand umbra
honestly the effect just feels strange to me. it's like, a glorified way of saying "you have 6.67% special DR for like 30 seconds"
I'd love to see it maybe become more unique?...if I ever had any ideas myself
sand umbra
I...think so?
I don't know, mainly because I don't use Revivify Potions enough to know
I never use them at all 
radiant meadow
same
sand umbra
radiant meadow
sometimes I'm too lazy to craft potions beyond well fed
sand umbra
they just don't seem like they're worth it, I guess? that, and their effect could be a bit more interesting
in my opinion, anyway
tired haven
Yes it is glorified (actually worse since won't save you during otherwise fatal hit) endurance pot
radiant meadow
time to brainstorm a better effect then 
radiant meadow
Tears of Heaven be like
tired haven
Imagine potion that revives you after fatal blow at 1hp for no reason 
tbh I don't want to see that effect in mod, just that it may be more amusing than heal on hit
hallow hatch
runic heath
isn't the DR cap much softer now though? I am guessing it still scales pretty but doesn't the formula apply from 0 instead of just 90% less effective at 33%
tired haven
It is log yes
radiant meadow
player.endurance = 1f - (1f / (1f + player.endurance));
player.endurance being your dr
hollow shell
(technically a rational function, not a logarithmic function
but, yeah)
radiant meadow
1f = 100% dr
runic heath
thanks
hollow shell
Having a DR stat of "100%" only reduces damage by half
which is still pretty good
hollow shell
Damn, I didn't even think about that
versed tundra
I don't think it does
radiant meadow
-30% dr (from Void of Calamity) turns to like -42%
runic heath
I calculated maximum DR at some point but I can't seem to find my numbers
cobalt rose
just like, have it such that negative dr = -f(|dr|) (where f is the dr function)
versed tundra
I think it should do a 180° rotation around 00
so the more negative DR you get, the less each point affects you
hollow shell
ehh
versed tundra
you are already pretty f****** anyway
queen delta
so whats the maximum real DR you can get?
cuz that graph certainly looks like theres an asymptote
runic heath
been a while since I calculated it and I am pretty sure new items have been added that changes it
hollow shell
I think we're fine just having it be the correct unmodified values in negatives
cobalt rose
no it doesnt have one.
hollow shell
Yeah the asymptote is at 100% iirc
You can never reach full invincibility
versed tundra
that's the formula on the same page IIRC
cobalt rose
oh wait it does im an idiot
hollow shell
It takes a ton of DR to even get close, tho
versed tundra
minimum damage is 1 in Terraria, IIRC
runic heath
Tequila Sunrise + 7% (debuff)
Endurance Potion + 7% (buff)
yharim's stimulants + 5% (buff)
evergreen gin + 5% (debuff)
moonshine + 5% (debuff)
titan scale potion + 5% (buff)
onyx excavator + 10%
all accessories warding +7%
frigid bulwark +20% (accessory) (only applies when below 20% health)
rampart of deities +20% (accessory) (only applies when below 20% health) (do not know if this stacks with frigid bulwark)
permafrost's concotion +30% (accessory) (only when encased is active)
The Sponge +19% (accessory) (Only 19% when in liquid, otherwise 10%)
The Absorber +13% (accessory) (only 13% in liquid, otherwise 10%)
Bloody worm scarf +10% (accessory)
bloody worm tooth +10% (accessory) (only 10% when below 50% health)
173% technically
probably outdated
versed tundra
so even 101% reduction would leave you taking one point of damage, I think
runic heath
so just plug 173% into the equation
cobalt rose
63%.
hollow shell
Yeah, about 63%
runic heath
Nice
hollow shell
Roundabout 2/3rds damage avoided
radiant meadow
according to my calculations, having less than -100% dr, you start getting positive dr
like a lot
versed tundra
and then you take 200 points of damage while above 20% health, killing you instantly before most of your situational DR kicks-in 
runic heath
That's not bad except that that build is kind of poopoo garbage
hollow shell
That's pretty good
radiant meadow
having exactly -100% dr might crash the game
runic heath
There are probably better items to use anyways
versed tundra
does it really divide by 0?
runic heath
I made that list like 4 months ago, and I am prone to human error especially since I don't really have a whole list of everything
versed tundra
can you reach exactly 100?
hollow shell
if player.endurance < -0.99 {
player.endurance = -0.99;
}
radiant meadow
the max you can reach with just clam is -70%
hollow shell
problem solved
radiant meadow
but I should still remove the increased scaling with negatives
hollow shell
Yeah that's prolly the better idea
runic heath
but yeah if someone wants to look through all the items that give DR and fix my list feel free lol
versed tundra
no thanks
radiant meadow
-101% dr turning into 10100% dr sounds pretty hot though 😳
fervent zealot
sign me the fuck up
hollow shell
That actually sounds like a hilarious strategy
Debuff the fuck out of yourself and risk insta-death in order to obtain 99.99% damage reduction
versed tundra
touches green slime for dungeon guardian-like attack
radiant meadow
decreasing your dr beyond -100% eventually tries to hit 100% asymptotically
runic heath
I mean besides you would have thicc attacks anyways
radiant meadow
but it'll always be over 100% so who cares 
runic heath
cause that would be dim soul and reaper tooth
hollow shell
ah right it wouldn't be 99.99%
It'd actually be over
You'd take 1 damage from everything guaranteed
runic heath
actually would reaper tooth necklace make it harder?
if you have negative dr does reaper tooth halve that?
hollow shell
Reaper Tooth Necklace cuts it in half, so yeah
It'd impair your attempt to reach super-negative numbers
you'd have half negative DR
radiant meadow
rtn/mfd only halves if your dr is positive
hollow shell
ooo
radiant meadow
this is not true for defense though
hollow shell
It just, doesn't do anything to your DR if negative?
radiant meadow
ye
hollow shell
Damn
versed tundra
quirky
radiant meadow
it checks if your dr is greater than 0
hollow shell
Anyway this has been a cool conversation but we're strayed far away from Revivify at this point
versed tundra
Without that you'd get some good synergies with meme negative DR builds, which sounds fun.
oh yeah,
radiant meadow
byeah, revivify needs something
versed tundra
never even considered making or drinking that potion tbh
runic heath
is the most increase to damage vulnerability 75%?
I mean it doesn't matter since it's patch but
versed tundra
if there were accesories multiplying the effects of heals, you'd get a synergy with that potion, but aside from that, I don't get the point of it working the way it does
sand umbra
Revivify needs something...unique, something that really separates it from other effects of similar purpose
runic heath
as it stands it seems like it is just worst endurance that you have to spam
sand umbra
because as I mentioned before, currently it is just a glorified but worse Endurance Potion that lasts a whopping half a minute
versed tundra
I'd say make the time super short, cancel it on hit like invisibility potions and make it heal for 120% the damage taken.
hollow shell
We do kinda have a lot of revives but honestly having a revive on a potion could be neat
radiant meadow
it'd need a far cheaper recipe thne
sand umbra
and it takes fucking Holy Water of all things as an ingredient btw
hollow shell
You need to anticipate your death and time the drink accordingly
runic heath
draconic elixir is kind of like that
versed tundra
maybe make it trigger the healing potion cooldown...
radiant meadow
the revive would have to be pretty fucked up then or heal for an extremely low amount of health
distant gyro
revive potion kinda meme iirc
hollow shell
That's true, forgot Draconic Elixir affected revives
sand umbra
well yes
runic heath
draconic elixir is basically a better healing potion
sand umbra
but it only affects certain existing revives
radiant meadow
draconic elixir only affects some revives
sand umbra
doesn't necessarily add new ones
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radiant meadow
it doesn't do anything to permafrosts' concoction or nebulous core
distant gyro
oh nice ping
runic heath
well it specifies silva so yeah I'd imagine
sand umbra
that accepted sugg I made is some real hours
indigo fog
oh cool
sand umbra
byeah, Drac Elixir only affects GS and Silva revives
indigo fog
it got implemented
sand umbra
Nebulous Core is a bit more on the useful side since it. actually has some other effects that universally help
versed tundra
revivify could work as a more time-restricted and weaker draconic elixir: just drink it before you tank the biggest attack of a boss and voila, you both negated the damage and healed yourself 20% of that attack's damage.
radiant meadow
enough for me to use it because I like rng memes
runic heath
Also it's impossible to get 173% DR because you would be revived with 30% health with permafrost so rip
sand umbra
I'm mainly just throwing my daily dose of Perma Concoction shade here 
radiant meadow
revivify would have to be just as fucked up as concoction tbh
sand umbra
because, for the record, Permafrost's Concoction is literally just slightly delayed death
radiant meadow
because revivify is even earlier and doesn't sacrifice an acc slot
sand umbra
and also doesn't freeze you for five years when it procs
runic heath
nebulous core is just rng amazing
radiant meadow
and concoction could theoretically save you from something if some minions pull a little bit of work
sand umbra
even that's a bit of an edge case
runic heath
you could also probably just get an item that actually gives them some more survivability that isn't dumb
radiant meadow
of course it is, but like an early hardmode revive is already kinda bruh without some serious backlash
sand umbra
if you're proccing Concoction in the first place there's a pretty good chance you're not close enough to the end of the fight for minions or other weapons to handle the remaining bit of the boss
runic heath
Concoction probably isn't bad for exploring
especially early hardmode since you'll likely die a lot
Not all accessories have to be good for every situation
sand umbra
okay but like its other effects aren't even that impressive
radiant meadow
perhaps make concoction have better bonuses that don't focus on the revive
sand umbra
that's the main thing of it
versed tundra
I died to a true eye oh chtuhulu while ML was playing it's death animation. Concoction doesn't sound that bad in this very case.
sand umbra
Concoction's main thing is its revive
its revive, which absolutely sucks ass and is not practical for most purposes you'd even use it for
its other effects can all be found on other items in better condition
radiant meadow
make the concoction dr unaffected by the dr cap
versed tundra
it can save you outside of boss battles though
toxic kettle
using Permafrost's Concoction against Moon Lord 
sand umbra
since fucking when does Concoction give DR
runic heath
it gives you 30% dr while encased
toxic kettle
you still die
versed tundra
radiant meadow
when your frozen
sand umbra
you're still stuck in a block of ice for 5 seconds
tired haven
but...
runic heath
has at least since I made my dr maximizing
versed tundra
use conveyor belts lmao
runic heath
which was like 4 months ago
versed tundra
you still moving
runic heath
conveyer to honey
versed tundra
use the RoD
runic heath
I don't think you can use items
versed tundra
oh
sand umbra
the issue here is that that's longer than basically any Frozen or Glacial State proc you will encounter in Hardmode and anything with half a brain cell in its AI will capitalize on it
bonus points if you're new enough to try it during a boss fight
runic heath
if the dr was uneffected by the cap that could make a difference
but you do only have 30% health
sand umbra
e.g. Destroyer, who can already combo the fuck out of you from a frost laser's 1-second Glacial State proc
if the DR was special DR and you weren't so easy to combo from it, maybe it might see more use
runic heath
30% dr 30% health would reasonably be 150 health at that point of the game which isn't great
sand umbra
or
versed tundra
the first hit you take after the revive sends you flying to safety
sounds hilarious
runic heath
launches you at mach ten upwards
toxic kettle
how to be a Snow Flinx 101
sand umbra
make Glacial State the lovechild of Chilled and Broken Armor so there isn't a way for Destroyer and Ice Golems to literally combo you to death
versed tundra
yeah and flinxes are long to kill for that reason
sand umbra
totally not something I already did but would love to see pushed to main either way
radiant meadow
Permafrost Concoction Buff
Why: the revive is the main seller of the item and it kinda sucks due to being frozen for 5 seconds which is longer than most if not all instances of glacial state or frozen.
How: make the encased dr unaffected by the cap
reduce the encasing time to 2 to 3 seconds
increase the bonuses that don't focus on the revive
so something like this?
sand umbra
yes
sand umbra
don't do yourself like that
posting a sugg for a change means you take the gamble of getting 90 stars
radiant meadow
I live for the gamble
radiant meadow
I have colored name so bonus stars
runic heath
bruh
sand umbra
bruh
radiant meadow
dambf can't post anymore to prevent chaining
runic heath
I can delete mine and you can put in yours since it gives multiple ideas
hollow shell
Why not just make the Concoction DR be separate, like Siren's Heart's Ice Shield or Abyssal Diving Suit's Plates?
radiant meadow
that's what I meant tbh
versed tundra
Now I kinda wish there was a way to get strong negative knock back resistance for a short time, allowing you to escape combos...
hollow shell
Instead of
having it add directly onto DR weirdly
tired haven
^
radiant meadow
I can post mine instead I guess
hollow shell
(directed at Roofon)
radiant meadow
do the power play and delete yours by force
runic heath
I deleted it myself
sand umbra
tired haven
sand umbra
anywho time to star
runic heath
Yours is better structured anyways so that's fine
I just was wording it in a way that made sense to me
hollow shell
I big disapprove of making Concoction focus more on the non-revive effects
It should be the focus of the item
runic heath
^
radiant meadow
well, the revive should still be better
hollow shell
Indeed, it should
swift wadi
It freezes you for 5 seconds?
sand umbra
yes
runic heath
Yes
swift wadi
That's so bad
versed tundra
Ice ~= defence ~= tanking ~= limiting your dodge options
sand umbra
Concoction freezes you for 5 seconds; longer than any Frozen or Glacial State proc in the universe
runic heath
you have 150 health and +30 defense + 30% DR
radiant meadow
and it is probably very subject to change
versed tundra
that's my chain of thoughts
sand umbra
you return to 30% health with massively boosted defensive stats...except enemies can combo the shit out of you
runic heath
You could have the player be frozen for like 1.5 seconds but then slowed for a bit afterwards
hollow shell
Well you don't have any "or"s in your message or the word "possible" so it looks like you want all three to happen
versed tundra
^
runic heath
Although speed in terraria is a huge
sand umbra
bosses like Destroyer especially I really need to sugg that rework to Glacial State eventually
radiant meadow
added a note to the bottom
hollow shell
aight cool
vagrant meteor
Luxor Gift projectile from yoyo can shoot continously while holding attack button.
Why?
Because make it easier for yoyo user rather than click it multiple time to spawn luxor projectile
note: maybe not necessary or will conflict with melee luxor projectile code. just suggestion do
radiant meadow
pretty sure it will conflict
because luxor only happens upon shoot
for it to affect yoyos like that, something needlessly complicated may need to be added
sand umbra
also Luxor's working continously for yo-yos would be like the fattest buff in the universe so like
left crest
It could fire relatively slowly
distant gyro
still pretty bruhmbo
luxor yoyo is the first and only introduction to "yoyo spam meta"
it's a fresh and unique playstyle to yoyos in general
sinful swift
Suggestion: Make the slime god lore item be able to be enabled/disabled
hollow shell
Take it out of your inventory
wooden wedge
just remove it from your inventory
distant gyro
how do you disable something that is in your inventory other than removing it what
wooden wedge
what would the point of it even be>?
hollow shell
(let him finish)
distant gyro
sinful swift
You might want to use it for getting around, for example getting to the dungeon, but once you are there it need to stay on until you are back home and put it in a chest. It can be implemented by right clicking or activating/disabling it like a potion or the death item.
hollow shell
Money Trough
hollow shell
lol
harsh grove
could potentially be toggled by being favorited, as is the case with WeaponOut's Voodoo Arm
but money trough works too
zenith flicker
Weird thought: increase sell value of expo tier weapons
the materials to craft them sell for more than the weapons themself (ya ik I doubt people would sell them but why not?)
harsh grove
this could very easily lead to a huge cascade of item value rebalances
off the top of my head, since it's related to the suggestion I put up the other day
hollow shell
Weapon values are based on rarity
harsh grove
Princess Fish sell for 25s, but the Love Potions they're used in sell for only 40c???
radiant meadow
increasing the sell value would rack up the reforging prices
that's not something we want
tired haven
iirc megashark sells for less than minishark
distant gyro
this is why sell price is based on rarity yes
tired haven
Just, don't really try to follow irl logic in terraria
(though even then, often the materials spent cost more than actual product)
radiant meadow
certain mods being Fargo's Soul Mod
and I personally think that's a Fargo's problem
I also think the uniqueness and rarity add to their charm
they're not necessary to advance, so making them "multiplayer compatible" is not necessary
brittle lagoon
fargo said to complain here
radiant meadow
okay well I'm telling you to complain in Fargo's 
karmic stone
Ask dad/Ask mom momentum
distant gyro
imagine not cheating in the item after finding 1 in multiplayer
ancient crow
why’d I get pinged
radiant meadow
probably suggestion notification
tepid root
or just click the mentions button
lost agate
hardy wing
That’s pretty different you meme
tired haven
Fishing smellu
distant gyro
there's not even a granite crate, or a marble crate, or hell crate or desert crate or ice crate
tired haven
I still believe that replicating shrine items should be some npc's job 
distant gyro
imagine crate when direct catch
lost agate
shove the rest on a golden crate
Me seeing that the rest either is just underground shrines or doesnt have crates
Golden crate meta moments
Oh wait theres the effigies
swift wadi
Suggestion: Make Tiger Skin craftable
Tiger Skin is an item sold rarely by the Travelling Merchant that's used in the crafting recipe of Handheld Tank, I cannot simply say to remove it from the recipe as it's what the donator wanted, but I feel like it would be a lot more convenient if Tiger Skin was simply craftable with something like Leather. Another item that's used in recipes and sold by the TM is Frost Barrier, however this has an alternative method to obtaining and therefor isn't as tedious to get, which I feel is an attribute that every item like this should share. If leather is used, recipes for the other skins could be added so it isn't completely out of place as-well
swift wadi
I don't think this suggestion would go against what the donator wanted
karmic stone
Make a tiger enemy for the sole purpose of dropping tiger skin, and for consistency, zebras
swift wadi
Which is a fairly high priority, even if I don't understand it
karmic stone
Byhea I'm P sure this is fine in terms of donator's wishes thing
lost agate
Make pitbull drop other skins rarely
swift wadi
LOL I said that to Ozza and he was like "We're not gonna make spriters work for just that" lol
karmic stone
lost agate
Pitbull for skin chad
swift wadi
That could work too, I suggest using leather because it's just an idea to throw out there, but other methods I am also okay with obviously
Point is removing TM memes
Think I should post it?
karmic stone
Ye
gusty geode
Ik I've said this enough times for it to get annoying
But someone wanna remind me why materials aren't allowed to potentially take time to get
swift wadi
It's not that it takes time to get, it's that the time you're taking is waiting for the merchant to sell it or you just got lucky earlier
hollow shell
swift wadi
The chances of someone who doesn't have tiger skin getting it in the time between Handheld Tank being a viable weapon and it being outclassed is very small
sand umbra
items taking time to get is one thing
items relying on the Travelling Shitlord is another thing entirely
swift wadi
It's not even the best weapon of it's tier, so most people just wont make it if they can't as soon as it's available
Frost Barrier builds into an endgame item, so it's actually useful that TM can sell it
Because he has the entire game to sell it
sand umbra
can't Ice Claspers also drop the Barrier or am I stupid
swift wadi
Handheld tank is near the ass end of the game aswell, but it really shouldn't be locked away behind TM
Yes it can
queen sail
There’s a difference between an item requiring effort to get vs an item being locked behind rng
sand umbra
literally what I said but more generalized
swift wadi
I was saying that the fact TM can sell it is useful, and why it can be a benefit for him to sell it instead of 100% relying on Ice Claspers
queen sail
Travelling merchant is just a worse case because time memes
sand umbra
except if you meet the moon phase requirements you are guaranteed to be able to get it
swift wadi
Not to mention, he can end up selling a skin that's not tiger skin, and that doesn't work to make Handheld Tank
queen sail
Why does handheld tank specifically need a tiger skin tbh
What omega lame reference could this possibly be referring to
swift wadi
No idea, but it's what the donator wanted
sand umbra
whatever meme-tier reference it is, it ain't Gungeon so I really don't care
karmic stone
Rover caught me trying to give it a star right away HDfailure
Oh so people can actually get slapped for self star or what was that
HDfailure
swift wadi
I don't wanna start a hate train or should I say tank onto the item using it, the donor wanted to represent something I'm sure he loved, or at least thought it would be cool
What matters is that it's part of the recipe and is quite annoying to get, and I wanna stay on that
queen sail
Something using leather ig
brittle lagoon
just box the traveling merchant in and spam cosmolite
sand umbra
queen sail
Idk this is gonna seem half weird because we’re doing this for one specific decoration item that’s specifically used for one weapon
karmic stone
Cosmolight affects TMerchant?
brittle lagoon
new day new inventory iirc
sand umbra
his inventory refreshes each time he shows up, not each time a new day comes
karmic stone
Like with Angler
brittle lagoon
might be a mutant mod thing
queen sail
Probably is
karmic stone
Oh ye Mutant's Cosmolightn't thing does that on normal use iirc
queen sail
Some enchs and souls use traveling merchant items and getting him to give the right shit is The Meme Embodied™
sand umbra
Idk this is gonna seem half weird because we’re doing this for one specific decoration item that’s specifically used for one weapon
brittle lagoon
sand umbra
you mean kinda like how Calamity gives recipes to a lot of these weird specific items that specifically are used for one crafting tree and never useful on their own?
brittle lagoon
kinda above doe tbh ngl ig
queen sail
That’s another can of worms
swift wadi
Lol
sand umbra
I'll come back to this later, probably
the point is/was that Tiger Skin should have some alternative way to be obtained according to the all of two people that find Handheld Tank to be relevant
brittle lagoon
lol
swift wadi
I don't even use it, but I should be able to if I want to
sand umbra
this is the part where I would say "if you don't use it, why do you care" if I wouldn't be the hypocrite of the century for doing so
swift wadi
Lol
queen sail
I’m looking through the vanilla recipes on the wiki and the only example i’m seeing similar to this is black lens
sand umbra
what the shit are black lenses used for again
swift wadi
Oml the dye idea is amazing lol
queen sail
Literally just optic staff and sunglasses
sand umbra
wait what the fuck
queen sail
The latter of which is only relevant if you use fargo’s
sand umbra
they're used for Optic Staff?
swift wadi
T Hanos yes
sand umbra
well I'm fuckin' sorry that I made the Optic Staff a Twins drop and literally have never cared what its normal recipe is
swift wadi
That weapon is why people farm for Black Lenses
sand umbra
queen sail
Did you seriously not know that optic staff requires one black lens
swift wadi
Well wait, lemme rephrase
swift wadi
That weapon is an attempt to make people farm for Black Lenses, but it's still a bad weapon so no-one does
sand umbra
quite a lot, welcome to chili's can I take your order
queen sail
I asked for chicken tenders 2 hours ago what’s the story
lost agate
Handheld tank is like one of the few items that hits like a beast with bee
And the AoE is nice for polter and such
swift wadi
Yeah, so I don't see why it would be locked behind RNG
People hate that one bow TM sells, HHT is the same way if you think about it
sand umbra
...no, it really isn't
at all
the Megashark isn't related to Destroyer in any fashion and is literally just Minishark 2, there's no reason why it even needed Souls of Might in the first place
the Optic Staff literally summons miniature Twins
also this isn't a change in vanilla or main Calamity so
karmic stone
CCC
hallow hatch
What’s ccc?
hollow shell
Christmas Comeback Crisis
split narwhal
Increase traveling merchant's spawn chance depending on how many town npcs are alive.
While the traveling merchant has many useful items for sale, it is hindered by the fact that he does not spawn often, and even less often will you get the item/weapon that you actually want.By increase his spawn rate this way it would be balanced and not too game breaking;It would also make sense for the traveling merchant visits you more if your town is populated as it means more opportunities for him to sell his items.The traveling merchant could also have extra dialogue to reflect this change but it is optional.
thoughts
ashen warren
Travelling merchants are alr pretty common imo
worthy fiber
night cradle
The things they sell rely on RNG still
...and some somewhat on the moon phases from what I recall
Okay nevermind they don't, just checked
green pumice
travelling merchants dont spawn when you want them to spawn tbh
and if they do
they sell some shit like the compainion cube
ashen warren
LunaticCultistSoundeffect.mp3
tepid root
wasnt this how it was but got removed with the update that made it so you can fight a lot of bosses more freely progression-wise
fervent citrus
It was?
tepid root
i think so
sand umbra
okay but like can we not
fervent citrus
Hmm, i do kinda like the post BoC thing tbh
sand umbra
I like how the only real reasoning for this is "it makes sense" and Perfs lore
when Perfs lore is outdated in basically every respect known to man
hollow idol
@opaque sierra any sugs to change calamity’s nonlinear changes is not allowed
sand umbra
also byeah
tepid root
perfs lore is 
sand umbra
either way it doesn't assess the fact that
void kelp
perf lore highkey bad ngl
hollow idol
even Fab admits the hiverator lore is outdated af
sand umbra
HM and Perfs are literally right after/the same general tier as EoW and BoC respectively with no separation between them, yet nobody seems to want them to be moved despite Deuces Wild being moved on literally the exact same grounds
opaque sierra
void kelp
I got some good lore stuff written for hiih miih
night cradle
And that feature was removed for a reason
Readding spawning criteria for cysts would have no sense since it allows more freedom in progression
night cradle
If you want stronger gear
sand umbra
that's not the point I was making but okay
night cradle
You can try to take them out
night cradle
Plus it affects all players, so you also can decide to not take them down before that point
opaque sierra
It just seems rather impractical
night cradle
^
night cradle
So you can play how you want and not how game wants you to
ashen warren
it's like saying that to defeat WoF u need to defeat all previous bosses
keen geyser
except it's not
ashen warren
when WoF can be defeated as first boss
tepid root
thats a bit of an exaggeration but sure
ashen warren
also both hive bosses are optional in the playthrough
only allows you to get Aerialite Stuff
hollow saffron
imean even if they lived inside it we dont know if they were physically bound to it permanently
versed tundra
woops
potent veldt
The reason you'd do HM/Perf before EoW/BoC is because they do substantially more for you
Aerialite, better gear, etc.
Lowkey easier to spawn and farm
Ngl I dont really see any reason to even touch BoC in a crimson playthrough
Also, no
That defeats the purpose of the rng that those items have to begin with
small talon
So your saying add compatibility to imksushi mod
potent veldt
^^^
Just use imk bruh
And, technically, that already exists in Calamity with S/L
So get bamboozled
terse sundial
@tiny agate can you add a why to your suggestion?
i'm also 90% sure thats a 
but I need to check
huh its not
@opaque sierra suggestions about removing calam's non-linearity design aren't allowed
you can change it if you want, but I will delete it in 5 mins otherwise
terse sundial
they deleted it themselfs which is also valid
sand umbra
versed tundra
Give all the Architect Gizmo Pack ingredients a recipe in hardmode
It can potentially take a long time to obtain all four parts for this non-combat-focused accessory.
A way to guarantee access to them without making the traveling merchant useless would be to add recipes in hardmode. Examples of such recipies follow:
Brick layer : Builder potion x 5, Enchanted Metal x2 (30 gold), 5 souls of light
Portable cement mixer : Builder potion x 5, Enchanted Metal x2 (30 gold), 5 souls of night
Extendo grip : Enchanted Metal x 2 (30 gold), Toolbelt (10 gold) could also use ectoplasm, since specter tools have +3 range
Paint Sprayer : Enchanted Metal x 2 (30 gold), Paintbrush (1 gold), Paint Roller (1 gold) could use spectral paint tools instead too
What do you think?
terse sundial
the specific recipes are too much imo
distant gyro
maybe less specific recipe ye
versed tundra
kinda
terse sundial
I like the idea
versed tundra
I guess I wanted to give an extra use to the enchanted metal and give a price range
terse sundial
but the devs will decide the recipe if it gets implemented
versed tundra
the whole thing is roughly 1.4 plat
drifting wagon
reasons courption is better
1 worm scarf
2 its the orginal
versed tundra
I'll make it less specific (while still mentioning enchanted metal as an idea for a crafting component, as well as the overall extra cost)
@drifting wagon musket
hallow kraken
off topic swag
terse sundial
what I mean with the recipe part is that it's usually a bad idea to add a recipe to suggestions, but if you do generalize it I'd be fine with that
versed tundra
Give all the Architect Gizmo Pack ingredients a recipe in hardmode
It can potentially take a long time to obtain all four parts for this non-combat-focused accessory.
A way to guarantee access to them without making the traveling merchant useless would be to add recipes in hardmode. Naturally these would be more expensive than the usual 10 gold a piece, maybe requiring some Enchanted Metal.
I'm about to post that
any last remark?
terse sundial
that's fine
versed tundra
ok, thanks
tiny agate
Oh yes, completely forgot
hallow kraken
for fargos?
oh, I get it
See, DoG unlocks a lot of upgrades that can make the fight easier on the case of not getting a weapon
Same with a lot of other bosses
sand umbra
very vaguely relevant: gonna be real, I'm surprised Cosmic Discharge isn't anywhere in the Soul of the Tyrant
hallow kraken
additionally, calamity isn’t supposed to be a QoL mod like imksushi
versed tundra
It isn't yet it adds the cosmolight, for example
distant gyro
(cosmic discharge isn't in god slayer enchant? heresy)
versed tundra
also making the playthrough longer, bosses generally harder (bigger arenas) and forcing you to build houses more should naturally lead to more building in one playthrough. I don't see why building shouldn't be enhanced as well?
distant gyro
convenience for building is good
hallow kraken
I was talking about the weapon swap sug
distant gyro
calamity adds a lot of blocks to play around with but not really a way to build faster
versed tundra
ironically it makes breaking the world easier than usual
distant gyro
crystyl spree 
versed tundra
oh, I just thought of one thing that's kind of annoying and could be a nice QoL stuff
You know how some shops only sell some items on specific days, time of day, weather conditions and astronomical events? maybe there could be a way to make the torential tear, stone table, cosmolight and so-on unlock those trades while they are in your inventory.
ex: you have the cosmolight on you -> you can buy illegal gun parts anytime
that's a small one but the most annoying ones are rockets II and IV from blood moon/solar eclipse, as you might not have designed your base to allow yourself some downtime during those events and can easily lose some NPCs during the trade.
but that's such a minor complain, I don't think it's worth posting
distant gyro
the ultimate climate changer
end the world with climate change
would be interesting if there's a moon phase changer
lost agate
Eggman's laser piss
versed tundra
You can spawn those but you have to deal with the monsters potentially spawning in your base while you buy what you have to buy
A moon phase changer is the cosmolight, by the way
distant gyro
does cosmolight even change day as in moon phase
terse sundial
no
distant gyro
I thought if you keep spamming cosmolight eternally it only flicks between night and day
terse sundial
cosmolight only jumps time around
distant gyro
which is why eclipse, blood moon, angler quests didn't work etc
terse sundial
it doesn't progress the day forward
technically it goes back in time if you use it at night because of this
distant gyro
swift bison
Cosmolight used to advance the day tho
sand umbra
what's funny is
it adjusts moon phase just fine
swift bison
i assume it was changed because it was too powerful
sand umbra
distant gyro
used to invalidate any other event summons yes
lost agate
If your npcs died in the event then use a zen or just pop up that config
Like hell, you probably even have enough time if you just close the doors
sand umbra
if you have the doors to the outside world open in the first place you've done something wrong
terse sundial
what the fuck
versed tundra
Please don't patch that out
I don't want to constantly wait for full moon to harvest my death weed
lost agate
Im in phone
versed tundra
have you tried turning it off and on again?
keen geyser
big brain
terse sundial
@solid bronze the plate buff only has 50 health
versed tundra
"it would be cool if"
terse sundial
which is taken away almost instantly by 90% of enemies post-ml
and also that isn't a valid reasoning
gusty geode
Swap out "cool" for "helpful" and it should be good
versed tundra
When does the bot that auto removes "place%bars" and "it would be cool" come out? /s
gusty geode
Imo if a suggestion winds up in the don'ts for being frequently suggested
Unless it goes against rules it should be made at least slightly higher priority
Cuz if you feel the need to essentially make a rule asking people not to suggest it
It's obvious a ton of people have wanted it for a long time
But that's just me
hollow shell
@solid bronze You could reword your reasoning a lil
"cool" isn't the word I'd use to describe that
versed tundra
I think a way to improve rule readership would be to have the suggestion channel be locked to humans and have a bot reading the content of another channel, removing the suggestions as they get validated by you moderators.
hollow shell
Also nah Merk that's not fully accurate
terse sundial
is it 50 in one hit?
versed tundra
that way the posting channel would be almost empty, allowing for a BIG warning READ THE RULES
terse sundial
i don't remember which one it is
hollow shell
It must be over 50 in one hit, yes
But the plates can take up to three of those >50 dmg hits
then they break
versed tundra
that would requier lots of changes to the bot, though
hollow shell
Ye
gusty geode
Also
I did suggest having a sorta verification system for suggestions
But apparently that would've just made things worse
And/or the fact that it can theoretically be worked around completely invalidated it
hallow kraken
reasoning is pretty weak on the sug, just “it would be cool”
gusty geode
Tho that may have been for a qna channel idk
versed tundra
having suggestions "restricted" in a way might discourage some, making them think it's not worth going through the ordeal just to post an idea they aren't even sure is going to get approval from other members
I would only consider it necessary if the flow of suggestions becomes too much to handle / keep visibility on each suggestion
I personally have no problem reading them all
but some might just check the last 4 when they visit
gusty geode
Tbf
Everything except minor fixes and rebalances are either outright banned or doomed to never be accepted these days
Seems kinda discouraging already
lost agate
gusty geode
Emphasis on "these days" I'm aware of that one SIS that got in this update
That was posted a long time ago tho
lost agate
Im not gonna bother ya know
gusty geode
Fair enough
Idk why I'm still repeating myself either
lost agate
If you wanna keep acting like you do, do whatever you want, idc
gusty geode
Idk
Maybe it'd help if the rules made it clear just how limited the scope of acceptable suggestions really is
Rn it just doesn't make sense to me that it sounds like larger suggestions are fair game and have a shot
But there's also this rigid plan that you refuse to deviate from for more than a few minutes at a time
lost agate
The acceptable suggestions are the ones that reach 90 stars, thats all there is to it
If you want them to be implemented in very short frame of time then idk what to tell you
Shit like reworking abyss worldgen doesnt take 20 minutes
void kelp
I’m pretty sure it’s implied that some suggestions of larger scopes are a bad idea
lost agate
They can exist, but they need to be planned somewhere
gusty geode
That's fair
I get things take work
void kelp
especially considering how the dont’s doc details stuff like “hey this is a bad suggestion because it’s way too big of a project fo easily execute”
Eg. boss and event suggestions
lost agate
You cant just post an important change and hope "oh yeah lemme do that real quick"
gusty geode
An emote confirming a suggestion has been accepted and will be added at some point
Not necessarily next update but eventually
Would probably be enough to shut me up
lost agate
...there is an approved emote already
void kelp
there’s literally 🏁
terse sundial
means it has been accepted into the mod
void kelp
and 👍
gusty geode
Legend says "accepted and implemented"
Meaning it's already in
lost agate
The 👍 its the approve emote yes
terse sundial
means approved and likely to get it, but not guarantee
void kelp
implemented =/= immediately added into the mod tho
gusty geode
I'm asking for one confirming that it hasn't been added yet, but will be added eventually
lost agate
👍
cobalt rose
why…?
terse sundial
that's literally just except with one more step
nothing is a guarantee unless it is already done
opal barn
because sugma moments
lost agate
I mean, it would be a guarantee if it wasnt because we have a massive todo list already
But you know what, im not gonan argue this anymore, theres no point
gusty geode
Yeah
This hasn't got been before
void kelp
I really don’t think an emote that specific is necessary yeah
versed tundra
I also agree
having an emote confirming it is going to be implemented instead of one confirming it might be implemented doesn't change how you should see the suggestion
hallow kraken
Kinda sounds like future mod content
lost agate
Maso chaos elementals make you do that so h
sand umbra
* Smells like masochism.
queen delta
Teleporting water? Time to bring a bucket
hallow kraken
As for soaring potion, wouldn’t it be at the balanced cost of having to use true melee?
queen delta
In some cases, it could lead to op combos potentially
But considering I’ve never heard of one being utilized yet, I’d say it’s balanced
worn salmon
fishing in the hallow
void kelp
soaring pot definitely makes stuff like clone a lot easier for true melee
karmic stone
Soaring is stupid with Provi
Yes you can keep hitting her without getting hit yourself if your biome is big enough
void kelp
you can actually fight bosses instead of hoping they come into your blade’s range
prime elbow
what are they?
queen sail
!wiki Despair Stone
red stormBOT
hollow idol
DoG drops cosmilite bricks 
It wouldnt be out of the question for brimmy or a crag enemy to drop it
radiant meadow
Obsidian + Strawberry Jam = Brimstone Slag
prime elbow
oh the rolley things
queen sail
i hope i didn’t break a rule
gusty geode
So
I just wanna be sure
Are suggestions for new DM changes allowed?
Received mixed messages about that over the past few days
radiant meadow
wait until the update comes out
karmic stone
Falls under future content don't
gusty geode
Entirely new changes or just edits to existing ones
I mean entirely new ones
radiant meadow
I would say wait
gusty geode
Fair enough
radiant meadow
@worn salmon it is advised that you don't make suggestions regarding future content (being new Death Mode stuff)
gusty geode
Change Demon Trophy to increase spawnrates to x30 and bypass every form of spawn reduction method except boss zen (without making it toggleable)
This would make it into a half-QoL tool, half-challenge item; grinding becomes easier, as monsters spawn constantly, with the downside being that it can't be turned off, and in general the spawns can't be turned down. The only exception is boss zen, so as to avoid it interfering with boss fights.
❔ : This would give people who hate grinding with a passion a high-risk-high-reward solution, as well as providing a challenge for anyone who wants to try and survive the stupidly high spawnrate.
cobalt rose
fuck no
sand umbra
let's not have more water effects plzkthxbai re: previously mentioned Hallow water sugg
squid explode
this is literally the exact opposite of QoL
frail mantle
old zerg meme
cobalt rose
this just… feels like a joke
dense ferry
True
sand umbra
you literally would not be able to progress
gusty geode
It's completely serious, I swear
sand umbra
assuming this is what I think it is
cobalt rose
rev+ spawnrates are already annoying
rapid pivot
a permanent zerg effect?
dense ferry
30 times the spawn = 150 enemies at least
rapid pivot
no
sand umbra
permanent old Zerg effect, at that
gusty geode
And it wouldn't be impossible
Just a lot more difficult
rapid pivot
that would kill any lower-end computer
sand umbra
you don't understand
this isn't even an issue of fairness
this is an issue of being able to spawn bosses in light of the 3 billion enemies that will be around
rapid pivot
that might make me lag, and I've got a pretty good mid-end computer
cobalt rose
there is no way this could be
a) fair
b) fun
dense ferry
You can imagine yourself taking on a buffed frost or pumpkin moon with 150 enemies on Rev or even Expert?
sand umbra
the NPC table isn't endless, y'know
cobalt rose
c) practical
rapid pivot
maybe, with post-yharon items
woeful ginkgo
something that gives a super high spawn rate that can't be turned off is a bad idea because you literally won't be able to make any bosses arena without getting harassed over and over
rapid pivot
but it'd still be miserable
sand umbra
making boss arenas would become horrible
rapid pivot
maybe if it was a toggle, but permannet?
sand umbra
trying to find ore would become horrible
ashen warren
yeah
woeful ginkgo
especially plantera in the jungle
dense ferry
Imagine Prov arena
rapid pivot
... actually, yeah, wait; what if it was a toggle?
rapid pivot
like, i can imagine that working
frail mantle
that would still be old zerg meme
gusty geode
Avoided having it be a toggle so that there would be some kind of risk to it
ashen warren
finding ore with a lots of Earth Elementals and Armored Digger
sand umbra
being able to have massively boosted spawn rates at will from the start of Hardmode, thus eliminating any and all grinding, is the exact reason Zerg was moved and also nerfed to shit
ashen warren
really crazy
dense ferry
The risk of ruining your playthrough
cobalt rose
thats like trying to operate a nuclear reactor with no cooling rods
theres no way its gonna work
dense ferry
No hardmode ores, no chlorophyte, no everything
ashen warren
imagine that effect in the Abyss
dense ferry
You would need to beat almost every boss of harmode with pre WoF
gusty geode
I've seen a playthrough completed with x30 spawns
It's doable, if not practical
But I see the point
ashen warren
absolutely impossible to explore
dense ferry
They probably was extremelly good, because you would need pretty underwhelming gear for the bosses
Would almost be a no craft challenge, but much, much, much worse
rapid pivot
eeeeh, admittedly, i'd kinda be okay with less grinding
more spawn rates would mean less waiting around; waiting around isn't really too fun
dense ferry
The progression would be to pray for night/light souls to get the mech spawns, get the Hallowed gear, then rush for Plant and kill it without arena, what is really hard Expert +, and it there
No way you will be able to take on the jungle temple
dense ferry
If you somehow manage to kill Golem, the pillars would be the end
sand umbra
have fun with that garbage
ashen warren
i agree that with the spawnrate, it could help with Money and Rare Objects farm
only that
cobalt rose
high spawn rates + nebula pillar = your brain is going to have its soul sucked out by 3578267863890753035270 sucklers at once
dense ferry
And even then, geting to fight Prov or Polter would be impossible, almost
sand umbra
squid
the massive boost to spawn rates being irreversible at all is the punishment
unless I misinterpreted your question and something got lost in translation
dense ferry
Post ML dungeon is hard by itself, and no Abyss
gusty geode
Being able to do that and turn it off freely is dumb
I'm asking what a good limitation on usage would be