#suggestions-discussion | Calamity Mod Discord | Page 772

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 5:16 AM

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you could

hearty yew Jan 24, 2020, 5:17 AM

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Lmao

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I am too tired to do that right now

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I will leave it as it is, with no hidden semantics and no implication of a bug fix

lost agate Jan 24, 2020, 5:17 AM

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~~Yeah but whats the fun in that~~

hearty yew Jan 24, 2020, 5:17 AM

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Just to see if people want the UI change

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If people want the UI change then surprise they get a bonus bug fix

teal ibex Jan 24, 2020, 5:17 AM

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time to suggest rover vs ozzatron event boss

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pick a side

hearty yew Jan 24, 2020, 5:17 AM

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I'll also make the bars shake violently when in use

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Because that'll look fucking awesome

lost agate Jan 24, 2020, 5:17 AM

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I pick vs

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 5:17 AM

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I thought it'd be a good idea to suggest the Adrenaline draining when no bosses are alive, rather than popping away instantly, considering it's a slight functional and balance change
(and our convo in Dev was in our sugg_disc)

hearty yew Jan 24, 2020, 5:18 AM

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one of us has edit and continue shucks

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i don't think it's a contest

sand umbra Jan 24, 2020, 5:18 AM

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I pick the concession stand

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txvsn

hearty yew Jan 24, 2020, 5:18 AM

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basically i'm using this to gauge public interest in me progressing on something that has been on my todo list for months

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which is, "internally rework rippers and ripper UI"

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it's all a fucking sham anyway

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 5:18 AM

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This is like a really minor detail tho

hearty yew Jan 24, 2020, 5:18 AM

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it's still a valid suggestion

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 5:19 AM

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~~which I didn't realize you were going to suggest~~

hearty yew Jan 24, 2020, 5:19 AM

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if it's not then delete it

lost agate Jan 24, 2020, 5:19 AM

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Thats half of what i have been doing here lately

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 5:19 AM

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yeah it is but it doesn't need to exist

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It's valid.

hearty yew Jan 24, 2020, 5:19 AM

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okay

distant gyro Jan 24, 2020, 5:19 AM

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what's the point of having rage and adrenaline x/10000 anyway HDfailure

hearty yew Jan 24, 2020, 5:19 AM

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so like what would you have me do

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 5:19 AM

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but you're the lead programmer and you coulda just done it

hearty yew Jan 24, 2020, 5:19 AM

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last time i suggested something to see what people liked it was a bros rework

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a bros rework happened which was very different

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 5:19 AM

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You can delete it if you want.
If you find value in gauging interest over this minor detail then you can leave it up

lost agate Jan 24, 2020, 5:19 AM

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Rover i am programmer too and you see suggs from me taxevasion

hearty yew Jan 24, 2020, 5:19 AM

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it is a waste of screen space

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but it already has 15 votes so

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imma let it stay

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if it still only had 2-3 or so

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i would delete it

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i will stop doing this in the future because this is me invading your territory and arguing with your rules

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if you did that in bugs channel i would neatly dice your throat and serve it as sushi

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 5:20 AM

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aw cmon-

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oh

hearty yew Jan 24, 2020, 5:20 AM

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so, like

tepid root Jan 24, 2020, 5:20 AM

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ech

hearty yew Jan 24, 2020, 5:20 AM

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i understand

lost agate Jan 24, 2020, 5:21 AM

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Very friendly team amirite

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 5:21 AM

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(This doesn't have anything to do with suggestion rules or w/e
There was just a miscommunication in what I wanted you to suggest)

tired haven Jan 24, 2020, 5:21 AM

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hey what's u-- oh

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 5:21 AM

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If you posted a Specific Item Suggestion then yes I would indeed disembowel you without hesitation.

hearty yew Jan 24, 2020, 5:22 AM

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👏

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 5:22 AM

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~~I'm tempted to post an emote indicating sarcasm but I think it's funnier if I don't.~~

swift wadi Jan 24, 2020, 5:23 AM

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Let people guess

lost agate Jan 24, 2020, 5:25 AM

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Anywho, leave a star if ya want, show is over

swift wadi Jan 24, 2020, 5:25 AM

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Already has 20, damn

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And yeah it's a good idea and fixing it would make my brain not hurt as bad so yes

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 5:51 AM

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@still cliff ... wh

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https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/670093260533792793

distant gyro Jan 24, 2020, 5:51 AM

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isn't that just 4 sugs above

fervent citrus Jan 24, 2020, 5:51 AM

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I think that was suggested somewhere

distant gyro Jan 24, 2020, 5:51 AM

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surprise

fervent citrus Jan 24, 2020, 5:51 AM

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Damn internet

swift wadi Jan 24, 2020, 5:51 AM

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He drew inspiration HDfailure

distant gyro Jan 24, 2020, 5:51 AM

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HDfailure

keen geyser Jan 24, 2020, 5:51 AM

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i mean

still cliff Jan 24, 2020, 5:51 AM

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Does that say about a summoning item for siren?

swift wadi Jan 24, 2020, 5:51 AM

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Fr where is all this coming from

distant gyro Jan 24, 2020, 5:51 AM

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Sirens inhabit sea-breaching rocks in oceans as opposed to being at the bottom of the ocean, having a rock formation that spawns at worldgen

fervent citrus Jan 24, 2020, 5:51 AM

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I dunno, try reading it taxevasion

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 5:52 AM

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Nick saw Caz's suggestion and then forgot that he saw it and thought it was his own idea

still cliff Jan 24, 2020, 5:52 AM

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ok damn chill

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 5:52 AM

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lol

still cliff Jan 24, 2020, 5:52 AM

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Sorry for the expression

distant gyro Jan 24, 2020, 5:52 AM

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CompleteFailure

fervent citrus Jan 24, 2020, 5:52 AM

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We were just bored HyperFailure

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At least

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Me anyway

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smugyon

still cliff Jan 24, 2020, 5:55 AM

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(that weird moment that you are the last to text and nobody response)

fervent citrus Jan 24, 2020, 5:55 AM

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Tru

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Wait...

nova radish Jan 24, 2020, 7:13 AM

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slobbyjoy

radiant meadow Jan 24, 2020, 11:09 AM

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@teal ibex you know you catch twinklers with a bug net, right?

teal ibex Jan 24, 2020, 11:34 AM

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is it the other one that you fish up or am i just terrible memory mode

tired haven Jan 24, 2020, 11:35 AM

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You get twinklers from crates and by catching

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gaxro-smth is only fishing

radiant meadow Jan 24, 2020, 12:19 PM

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Arcturus astroidean

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I can remove twinklers from crates if it's a problem for some reason

teal ibex Jan 24, 2020, 12:24 PM

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oh nah thats fine, just didnt realize

lost agate Jan 24, 2020, 1:07 PM

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The jellyfish is from vanilla right?

tired haven Jan 24, 2020, 1:07 PM

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Yes, all 3 of them

lost agate Jan 24, 2020, 1:09 PM

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Wew

low salmon Jan 24, 2020, 4:21 PM

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I'm not questioning to be rebellious, but is there a reason behind
- Placeable Calamity bars as a suggestion don't?

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Frequently, or being added in eventuality, or --- simply not worth it content wise.

distant gyro Jan 24, 2020, 4:22 PM

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because they will come eventually

low salmon Jan 24, 2020, 4:22 PM

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Alrighty.

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If it was a 'not worth it' I was gonna try and make it my first little minimod to get used to things. sip_still

distant gyro Jan 24, 2020, 4:23 PM

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speaking of bars

worthy fiber Jan 24, 2020, 4:25 PM

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Kind of thing where we just "wait for sprites"

low salmon Jan 24, 2020, 4:31 PM

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Alrighty.

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 5:18 PM

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It's in the Frequently Suggested section

low salmon Jan 24, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Of course, but it is under the Suggestion Don'ts. And i've walked into a landmine in here before. 02giggle

winged pilot Jan 24, 2020, 5:32 PM

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What does everyone think about deathmode slimes healing (or some other kind of buff) under certain circumstances. Example would be a spiked ice slime or ice slime entering into frigid water.

low salmon Jan 24, 2020, 5:33 PM

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That sounds like it'd be awesome personally, but I feel like it would make waters extremely dangeorus if you fall in, like... no chance levels.

winged pilot Jan 24, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Lava slimes jumping into lava cause the geyser effect

low salmon Jan 24, 2020, 5:35 PM

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sip_still

winged pilot Jan 24, 2020, 5:41 PM

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If I knew how to code I’d make an entire mod only based around slimes

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 8:49 PM

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@potent veldt What?
This is a feature I am unaware of

potent veldt Jan 24, 2020, 8:49 PM

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?

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You've never seen Jellyfish in expert-mode?

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It's a vanilla thing

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 8:50 PM

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I have. They go shocky and damage you if you hit em with melee weapons

potent veldt Jan 24, 2020, 8:50 PM

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Yes, but their shock hitbox extends their sprite

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 8:50 PM

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Yeah by a few pixels lol

potent veldt Jan 24, 2020, 8:50 PM

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Unless I'm just consistently crazy, it sometimes feels like these things will hit you from a good 2-3 blocks away

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 8:51 PM

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Gimme an image/gif/video of it happening

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cuz I think you may have been swinging your sword and/or pickaxe willy nilly and not realizing you've made contact

potent veldt Jan 24, 2020, 8:51 PM

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I never play melee lol

hollow idol Jan 24, 2020, 8:51 PM

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use modder’s toolkit to see the hitbox

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 8:51 PM

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But you have pickaxe :P

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or yeah, that too

sand umbra Jan 24, 2020, 8:52 PM

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just took a gander at it

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doesn't seem like the shock extends past their hitbox at all

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just to clarify though I'll take a look through source

potent veldt Jan 24, 2020, 8:53 PM

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That feels wrong though, since it definitely feels like it's a big hitbox

sand umbra Jan 24, 2020, 8:53 PM

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seems to be placebo effect

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 8:54 PM

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Actually Thomas while you're in-game can you check somethin for me

sand umbra Jan 24, 2020, 8:54 PM

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nothing in-game or in-source implies a hitbox size change

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sure! fire away, rover

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 8:54 PM

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The sword electrocution thing is real, right?

potent veldt Jan 24, 2020, 8:54 PM

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It also could be lag

queen sail Jan 24, 2020, 8:54 PM

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Yes

potent veldt Jan 24, 2020, 8:54 PM

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And yes it is

queen sail Jan 24, 2020, 8:54 PM

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It is rover

sand umbra Jan 24, 2020, 8:54 PM

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the what

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 8:54 PM

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Hitting a Jelly with a sword hurts you if it's electro

queen sail Jan 24, 2020, 8:54 PM

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Hitting electrocuting jellies with a sword damages you

sand umbra Jan 24, 2020, 8:54 PM

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I can check that too, methinks

potent veldt Jan 24, 2020, 8:54 PM

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When you hit jellyfish with a melee attack during their electrical fit, it hurts you

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 8:54 PM

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It was not on the vanilla wiki until I added it about a month ago

queen sail Jan 24, 2020, 8:54 PM

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Pretty sure that’s vanilla

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 8:55 PM

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Yeah ik it'd be vanilla

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It's just weird that nobody ever noticed it or bothered to document it

sand umbra Jan 24, 2020, 8:55 PM

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yep, that's real

teal ibex Jan 24, 2020, 8:55 PM

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yo rover

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while we're on the topic of things that are NOT on the wiki

potent veldt Jan 24, 2020, 8:55 PM

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That seems like a really precise detail to code in and then not tell anyone about

teal ibex Jan 24, 2020, 8:55 PM

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can we please find the likelihood of voodoo demon spawns? hecticHmm

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 8:55 PM

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Aight cool
Second thing:

Is it just swords (swung melee weapons), or do other swinging weapons do it like some staffs or Dirt Rod or something?

teal ibex Jan 24, 2020, 8:55 PM

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there seems to be no documentation about it despite them existing for like. nearly a decade

sand umbra Jan 24, 2020, 8:56 PM

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any weapon that has a melee hitbox

queen sail Jan 24, 2020, 8:56 PM

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It’s called, hectique

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QoL recipes

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 8:56 PM

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So, Dirt Rod and company also damage you?

queen sail Jan 24, 2020, 8:56 PM

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ech

teal ibex Jan 24, 2020, 8:56 PM

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i mean for literal vanilla gameplay

sand umbra Jan 24, 2020, 8:56 PM

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I...don't think Dirt Rod and the like would?

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might as well give it a shot though

teal ibex Jan 24, 2020, 8:56 PM

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i have no idea about how likely a voodoo demon is

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 8:56 PM

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Spawn rates are a nightmare

teal ibex Jan 24, 2020, 8:56 PM

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this is for vanilla wiki, which afaik still has no information about it

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 8:56 PM

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especially for vanilla

queen sail Jan 24, 2020, 8:56 PM

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Apparently voodoo demons tend to spawn near obsidian towers iirc?

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Fsr

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 8:56 PM

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That sounds like a myth

queen sail Jan 24, 2020, 8:56 PM

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Probably is

teal ibex Jan 24, 2020, 8:57 PM

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i've also heard they have a chance of replacing normal demons

queen sail Jan 24, 2020, 8:57 PM

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Remember seeing that mentioned somewhere though

teal ibex Jan 24, 2020, 8:57 PM

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but i can't know if it's true or not because freaking. there's nowhere to know

potent veldt Jan 24, 2020, 8:57 PM

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Just realized the jellyfish hitbox thing could be lag caused

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 8:57 PM

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Perhaps

sand umbra Jan 24, 2020, 8:58 PM

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okay so it won't affect things like Dirt Rod

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just tested

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 8:58 PM

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Alright, that's good

sand umbra Jan 24, 2020, 8:58 PM

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the weapon alone has to be able to do damage by swinging

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 8:58 PM

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Thank you for checking

sand umbra Jan 24, 2020, 8:59 PM

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hey, more knowledge for everybody's always a good thing in my book

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PoiThumbsUp

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I wasn't aware this was a thing myself, but it's a really neat detail that I actually appreciate quite a bit now that I know of it

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 9:01 PM

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(does this mean that Helstorm, Hellborn, and Marnite Bayonet are affected, actually?)

radiant meadow Jan 24, 2020, 9:02 PM

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affected by what?

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 9:02 PM

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Jellyfish electrocution damage

radiant meadow Jan 24, 2020, 9:02 PM

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I think so

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although giving a non sword contact dmg causes funny hitbox memes

sand umbra Jan 24, 2020, 9:03 PM

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most likely

radiant meadow Jan 24, 2020, 9:03 PM

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non-useStyle 1 weapon I should say

sand umbra Jan 24, 2020, 9:03 PM

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(it also means you can proc it with Unholy Trident, so have fun with that)

radiant meadow Jan 24, 2020, 9:03 PM

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(or non-useStyle 3)

queen sail Jan 24, 2020, 9:04 PM

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Nonmelee weps with hitboxes are actually projectiles right

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 9:04 PM

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Not all of them, iirc

radiant meadow Jan 24, 2020, 9:05 PM

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for marnite bayonet, helstorm, and hellborn, no

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for stuff like flak kraken and contagion, yes

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(so stuff with a spin-up)

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 9:05 PM

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Cuz they're special

radiant meadow Jan 24, 2020, 9:06 PM

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spinup weapon contact dmg won't proc jellyfish

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because they're projectiles

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Yeah

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although I don't think they deal contact damage anyway, do they?

radiant meadow Jan 24, 2020, 9:06 PM

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(I can easily "fix" certain spinup weapons having contact dmg but I see no point)

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 9:33 PM

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Hm

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Yeah makes sense

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We'd have to modify his AI to do something else briefly once he hits you

still cliff Jan 24, 2020, 9:33 PM

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He sticks on you and kills you

cobalt rose Jan 24, 2020, 9:34 PM

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maybe make him go through you?

still cliff Jan 24, 2020, 9:34 PM

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This also happens with other bosses

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Signus and

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Profaned Guardian?
I think

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 9:35 PM

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Ye, I made a suggestion for Signus and Profaned Guardians a lil while ago

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and iirc it has been fixed for the next update

still cliff Jan 24, 2020, 9:35 PM

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Ah yea i remember

civic pond Jan 24, 2020, 9:39 PM

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i hate that shit

frail mantle Jan 24, 2020, 9:40 PM

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alternatively: give Skelefuck a spawn animation where the Old Man dies, releasing some energy that flies up, lands where he died and spawning Skeletron

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preferably lasting a few seconds

potent veldt Jan 24, 2020, 9:40 PM

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^^^Thatd be a handful of work

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But it'd be cool

frail mantle Jan 24, 2020, 9:41 PM

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ye that's true

civic pond Jan 24, 2020, 9:41 PM

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so basically change where he spawns
Or give him a delay so that the player doesn't get instantly slapped

potent veldt Jan 24, 2020, 9:41 PM

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The easiest way to fix it is to just offset his spawn

frail mantle Jan 24, 2020, 9:41 PM

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i just feel that the way Smellytron spawns is weird

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he just Kool-Aids his way onto where the Old Man stood

still cliff Jan 24, 2020, 9:42 PM

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An other question:
Does the counter scarf dodge deathrays?

potent veldt Jan 24, 2020, 9:42 PM

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I thought it dodged any hitbox

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Unless it has to be contact damage

frail mantle Jan 24, 2020, 9:42 PM

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it can dodge anything if you don't have the cooldown and it deals damage

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 9:42 PM

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Yes

still cliff Jan 24, 2020, 9:42 PM

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I have tried to dodge every deathray

sand umbra Jan 24, 2020, 9:43 PM

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follow-up question:

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does Counter Scarf use a custom dodge

potent veldt Jan 24, 2020, 9:44 PM

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That's a loaded question

sand umbra Jan 24, 2020, 9:44 PM

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it really isn't
simple yes or no

if it does, pretty sure it falls under "many Calamity things that proc extended invulnerability don't proc on local cooldown slots"

potent veldt Jan 24, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Given that it has it's own cooldown and everything, I'd hope so

sand umbra Jan 24, 2020, 9:44 PM

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which to my knowledge has been fixed for the next update

still cliff Jan 24, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Would be good to have less couldown with the philosopher's stone?

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 9:45 PM

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It has its own i-frames

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Well

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... uh oh

still cliff Jan 24, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Or every other cooldown

sand umbra Jan 24, 2020, 9:45 PM

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uh oh?

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that's soundin' like an "it only increases player.immune" to me HDfailure

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 9:46 PM

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immuneTime only affects slot -1 projectiles right?

sand umbra Jan 24, 2020, 9:46 PM

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assuming our research wasn't entirely faulty, correct

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Yep, that's the problem then

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@still cliff Your suspicions were correct. You cannot dodge deathrays.

sand umbra Jan 24, 2020, 9:47 PM

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called it

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special immunity cooldown slots strike again

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Also I'm giving Hec's suggestion all of my Yes

still cliff Jan 24, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Aha

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And i have been thinking of it a lot recently

teal ibex Jan 24, 2020, 9:48 PM

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hello, and welcome to my #suggestions-voting speedrun pb attempt. i'm aiming for a time of 3 hours or less to get sent to the dev server. this would be a world record as far as my understanding shows. thank you for coming to my ted talk. hecticPog

still cliff Jan 24, 2020, 9:48 PM

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Good luck

small talon Jan 24, 2020, 9:53 PM

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dont they start doing damage once it splits at that layer

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isnt that good enough of an indicator?

teal ibex Jan 24, 2020, 9:53 PM

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it's a gradual thing. it doesn't split all at once so unless you're near the top you don't really have much idea how far into the animation it is

still cliff Jan 24, 2020, 9:53 PM

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The old man could spawn Skeletron 3 seconds after clicking on 'curse'

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 9:54 PM

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I feel like it'd also communicate to the player better if they started out half-transparent to "explain" why/that they aren't dealing damage initially

teal ibex Jan 24, 2020, 9:54 PM

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that as well

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it's not particularly clear that they don't deal damage to begin with, so that's another little benefit of a fade

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 9:54 PM

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Yeah

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It'd be nice to have a visual timer in the form of increasing opacity

radiant meadow Jan 24, 2020, 10:14 PM

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do I need to make counter scarf boost player hurtcooldowns?

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is that an issue?

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already seems to do that

sand umbra Jan 24, 2020, 10:25 PM

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you might've already fixed it

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back when the lot of us spent like the entire day researching how Terraria's player immunity frames work

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 10:25 PM

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Hmmm could be that I was just quick to judge

sand umbra Jan 24, 2020, 10:26 PM

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HDfailure

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 10:26 PM

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... hm

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Fuck, I may've been

still cliff Jan 24, 2020, 10:29 PM

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Imagine how life would be without immunity frames

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 10:29 PM

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                {
                    player.hurtCooldowns[k] = player.immuneTime;
                }```
Would this make the dodge also affect both slot 0 and slot 1, Thomas?

still cliff Jan 24, 2020, 10:29 PM

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Literal hell

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 10:29 PM

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(this is technically l33ks but it's copied from vanilla source's dodges so it doesn't matter much)

radiant meadow Jan 24, 2020, 10:30 PM

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I don't think I was the one to add that

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 10:31 PM

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Yeah that's just a vanilla thing that Calamity also has

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I glazed over it when I pinged Nick

sand umbra Jan 24, 2020, 10:32 PM

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that'd make it affect all local slots as well as the global slot, yes

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 10:32 PM

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Good, aight

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@still cliff Nevermind, you can dodge deathrays

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Somethin else must've been screwy

sand umbra Jan 24, 2020, 10:32 PM

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probably just local i-frames bein' wack

still cliff Jan 24, 2020, 10:32 PM

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Well...

sand umbra Jan 24, 2020, 10:32 PM

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player i-frames are incredibly convoluted and stupid

still cliff Jan 24, 2020, 10:32 PM

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Yeah indeed

sand umbra Jan 24, 2020, 10:33 PM

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if something gives me immunity frames, it should give me immunity frames
not activate immunity frames on one slot while I can still get hit by everything post-ML on another

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HyperFailure

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 10:33 PM

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smh what about the cheeses

still cliff Jan 24, 2020, 10:34 PM

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Imagine having the same immunity frame as an enemy

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 10:34 PM

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sitting on a Blue Slime or Spike Block to make yourself pseudo-invincible

sand umbra Jan 24, 2020, 11:01 PM

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smh caring about cheese

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nobody here is lactose intolerant as far as I'm aware and honestly I don't think we could patch that out if we tried

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not without then raising a few concerns on how fair some aspects of certain fights are

cobalt rose Jan 24, 2020, 11:02 PM

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~~yeah you can fuck off with that joke~~

sand umbra Jan 24, 2020, 11:02 PM

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no

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txvsn

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but like

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...eh, what do I care
people probably won't care anyway and see it as QoL hahayes

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 11:41 PM

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"Just dont play with only flails" is a perfectly valid argument and you should not base suggestions on self-imposed challenges

small talon Jan 24, 2020, 11:43 PM

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Was that in the "Don'ts"? I dont remember reading that, or is it just not written there

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 11:43 PM

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It is in the Don'ts, yes

sand umbra Jan 24, 2020, 11:43 PM

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if you can't get a Chain Knife I really don't know what to tell you

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 11:43 PM

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📎 unknown.png

small talon Jan 24, 2020, 11:43 PM

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Shit, sorry for wasting your time

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 11:44 PM

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It's okay

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At least you didn't post it in #suggestions-voting :P

sand umbra Jan 24, 2020, 11:44 PM

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Chain Knife drops from Bats

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which are a dime a fucking dozen early-game HDfailure

small talon Jan 24, 2020, 11:44 PM

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I mean yeah i can get it but when i do class playthroughs i dont kill ANYTHING until i get the specific weapon type, you might do em different

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but theres no point now since i missed that

sand umbra Jan 24, 2020, 11:45 PM

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personally I don't think early pre-boss matters too terribly much for this sorta stuff

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~~and one could always alternatively make Chain Knife a craft with Chains and any Iron-tier bar or something and make Bats drop something actually relevant to them
just a totally random thought

wink wink~~

small talon Jan 24, 2020, 11:46 PM

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I might as well read over the don'ts document since i probably missed more stuff

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~~good point~~

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 11:46 PM

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Sounds like a good idea, Bepis

radiant meadow Jan 24, 2020, 11:46 PM

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time to ignore Thomas' idea

sand umbra Jan 24, 2020, 11:47 PM

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all according to plan

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txvsn

small talon Jan 24, 2020, 11:47 PM

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PensiveCore

ashen warren Jan 24, 2020, 11:48 PM

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Now Offbrand Pepsi has slime god levels of S A D

hollow shell Jan 24, 2020, 11:49 PM

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(also thanks Bepis for spurring me to look over the doc as well. Noticed a few grammar errors)
(Also added a note to the "future content" Don't specifying that #changelogs content counts too)

split narwhal Jan 25, 2020, 12:53 AM

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Change/buff badge of bravery.

This is another one of the "no incentive" accessories.The badge of bravery is a post providence accessory that gives you 15% melee speed, and that's it.You get 14% damage and speed with fire gauntlet, making it superior in everyway, and it's only post golem.There are much better accessories for warriors than this in hardmode, which goes to show how underwhelming this accessory is.
Any opinion?

terse sundial Jan 25, 2020, 12:55 AM

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yes

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this is good

warm tinsel Jan 25, 2020, 12:56 AM

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There was also an old plan that Yharim would be too powerful to kill, and would only let you win by using 1% of his power™️

but that was before Xeroc was proposed
@jovial spire

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 12:56 AM

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~~Ferox is tardy~~

potent veldt Jan 25, 2020, 12:56 AM

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Detention for you

warm tinsel Jan 25, 2020, 12:57 AM

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~~couldn't quote you in lore~~

split narwhal Jan 25, 2020, 12:57 AM

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~~I keep finding these worthless accessories while browsing the wiki~~

potent veldt Jan 25, 2020, 12:58 AM

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~~speaking of worthless accessories~~

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 12:59 AM

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oof

placid girder Jan 25, 2020, 12:59 AM

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tbh there are a ton of accessories that literally just vibe and are only materials

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but idk because thats also a thing in vanilla too

civic pond Jan 25, 2020, 12:59 AM

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~~same goes for weapons but im just gonna shoo now~~

placid girder Jan 25, 2020, 12:59 AM

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like every ankh shield material

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 1:00 AM

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Dark it seems like you're operating under the assumption that only one Band of Regen and Band of Starpower exist in the world

split narwhal Jan 25, 2020, 1:01 AM

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Magic Cuffs and spikes are a thing

potent veldt Jan 25, 2020, 1:01 AM

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It still doesn't make sense why the crafting tree essentially wastes two accessories

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For an upgrade that may or may not be an upgrade at all

split narwhal Jan 25, 2020, 1:01 AM

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It does feel weird

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I think the magic cuffs should have it's own crafting tree tbh

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 1:03 AM

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Judging by how easy it is to upgrade from Mana Regen to Cuffs
I'd almost think it's giving you a choice

potent veldt Jan 25, 2020, 1:03 AM

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I'd agree if it weren't for the fact that Sigil requires Celestial Cuffs

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Meaning you're gonna get rid of that mana regen at some point

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And if that's the case, then you're just burning through accessories, which is a waste of them existing to begin with

split narwhal Jan 25, 2020, 1:04 AM

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Adding an alt recipe to sigil then?

potent veldt Jan 25, 2020, 1:04 AM

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~~I was suggesting having them both be different trees, and then just use them both in Sigil~~

split narwhal Jan 25, 2020, 1:04 AM

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What crafts into magic cuffs then?

potent veldt Jan 25, 2020, 1:05 AM

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Make someone sell it, idk

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Or make it craftable from stars and the shackle

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 1:05 AM

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I feel like this is way too much revamp for Calamity to be doing

Yes, we move Fire Gauntlet quite far, and we edit Terra Blade's recipe (for consistency and to remove the instant-upgrade)

but this would be redoin a lot

loud steeple Jan 25, 2020, 1:06 AM

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The ankh stuff can actually be useful in some cases

potent veldt Jan 25, 2020, 1:06 AM

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In fairness, I don't blame Calamity for that mess of a crafting tree

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Since the entire CC tree is vanilla

split narwhal Jan 25, 2020, 1:06 AM

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~~vanilla bad~~

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 1:07 AM

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~~"Blame" isn't the problem~~

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well
depending on how you look at it.

potent veldt Jan 25, 2020, 1:08 AM

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I think it's a stretch of a sugg, yes, but it's also based off of something

split narwhal Jan 25, 2020, 1:08 AM

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~~Who uses those cuffs anyways, mana regen pots are king~~

potent veldt Jan 25, 2020, 1:08 AM

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^^

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That too

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Mana Flower ruins the entire tree

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 1:09 AM

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We ain't like
a total conversion mod like Overhaul

This is kinda not our place to be doin that, not this extensively

potent veldt Jan 25, 2020, 1:09 AM

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I'd agree, but again, Sigil uses Celestial Cuffs

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Meaning I have to go through that tree every time

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The only silver lining it has in calamity is that it's traveling-merchant-proof

split narwhal Jan 25, 2020, 1:10 AM

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Maybe just change CC so it keeps the effect of it's components

potent veldt Jan 25, 2020, 1:10 AM

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^^I would have suggested that, but I think buffing it would have been harder to sugg

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 1:10 AM

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iunno I might be overreacting

I think it's the fact that you describe the issues with the entire tree
but your sugg is just to make Magic Cuffs have a different recipe

potent veldt Jan 25, 2020, 1:11 AM

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I described the issues step by step because it also gets across more clearly how fine Mana Regen Band is until the rest of the tree happens

radiant meadow Jan 25, 2020, 1:11 AM

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I don't think we should really touch the cuffs recipe

split narwhal Jan 25, 2020, 1:11 AM

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What should craft into magic cuffs is another problem

potent veldt Jan 25, 2020, 1:12 AM

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I still say stars and the shackle

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Or maybe two shackles, for consistency

radiant meadow Jan 25, 2020, 1:12 AM

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I also don't think trees necessarily need to be completely linear in function

split narwhal Jan 25, 2020, 1:12 AM

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That would make it way too easy compared to mana regen pots and mana flower

potent veldt Jan 25, 2020, 1:13 AM

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Then probably demonite/crimtane

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Since it'd keep it at it's current state of progression ~~arguably~~

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I don't know. I think it's at least a worthwhile thing to bring up, just to show that it's flawed. Whether or not it gets in isn't my choice.

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 1:15 AM

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I was about to say that you could arguably acquire Celestial Cuffs before fighting EoC
(which I guess you can but)
forgot the tree requires Tinkerer's Workshop

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So you could just make the recipe have 1 Demonite Bar in it
or even just keep it at Shackle with stars, cuz it's locked behind Goblin Army (that is, at least one orb smashed) anyhow

split narwhal Jan 25, 2020, 1:16 AM

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How about this:band of starpower crafts into both mana regen band and magic cuffs, and sigil uses either while granting the effect of both

potent veldt Jan 25, 2020, 1:16 AM

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^^^

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That could be a way to do it

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 1:19 AM

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... tho could I still kindly ask you to cut down on your arguments a bit in your suggestion?
That's a chonky boy

potent veldt Jan 25, 2020, 1:20 AM

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I don't know where I'd cut it tho

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Lemme see

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 1:23 AM

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"For one, I have literally no idea where the "restore mana when hurt" comes from, because the Shackle doesn't have this,"
is not a very useful sentence

potent veldt Jan 25, 2020, 1:23 AM

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Snipped it a handful

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 1:24 AM

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removing a recipe entirely sounds sketchy

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 1:24 AM

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Arguably you don't need to have as much ranting in the Magic Cuffs -> Celestial Cuffs section
considering your suggestion wouldn't change that aspect

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 1:25 AM

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also my guess as to why shackle makes it gives mana on hit is this:

potent veldt Jan 25, 2020, 1:25 AM

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Tada

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 1:25 AM

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PFFF

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aight cool that works

split narwhal Jan 25, 2020, 1:25 AM

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much better

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 1:27 AM

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Shackles sole porpuse is giving defense, aka something related to when an enemy hits you, now if you grab mana regen band, which makes mana regen faster, you put those in a blender and you get mana regen on hit

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 1:27 AM

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Good logics

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 1:27 AM

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makes barely any sense but thats my best guess

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 1:27 AM

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Kinda follows in the same footsteps as Life Regen -> Mana Regen

Turns survivability into mana gain

radiant meadow Jan 25, 2020, 1:28 AM

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the mana on hit is actually pretty good tbh

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I don't see how it's a downgrade

split narwhal Jan 25, 2020, 1:28 AM

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spike strats with cuffs

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 1:28 AM

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~~Adrenaline XD~~

radiant meadow Jan 25, 2020, 1:28 AM

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~~stfu Rover~~

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 1:29 AM

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That was the first time I've typed XD into this server since 2018

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I'm proud and ashamed

potent veldt Jan 25, 2020, 1:29 AM

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It's a downgrade in Armageddon

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 1:29 AM

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uh...

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why are you

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using items with effects on hit on arma

potent veldt Jan 25, 2020, 1:30 AM

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And just is a preference thing

split narwhal Jan 25, 2020, 1:30 AM

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A lot of accessories are downgrades in arma

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 1:30 AM

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Technically literally anything involving defense or life regen or life or anything like that is a downgrade in Armageddon

potent veldt Jan 25, 2020, 1:30 AM

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Fair

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 1:30 AM

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literally anything that doesnt give dmg is pretty much worthless in arma echcrisp

potent veldt Jan 25, 2020, 1:30 AM

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I still see it as a preference thing though

elder mist Jan 25, 2020, 1:31 AM

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me when i use tabi and its worthless in arma

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walking_rick

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 1:31 AM

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oh yeah mobility

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woops

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but yeah i dont really like the idea since removing a recipe altogether is echbegone

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and tbf

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this crafting tree is almost the only one, if not one of very few, that isnt just stacking effects of ingredients until you reach the end of the line

radiant meadow Jan 25, 2020, 1:34 AM

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It makes a more diverse tree

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 1:34 AM

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it makes it a lil more unique if ya know what im saying

radiant meadow Jan 25, 2020, 1:34 AM

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kinda like the ~~cosmic immat~~ ele axe line

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 1:35 AM

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(I do actually really like the concept of combining accessory ingredients to get an entirely new but related effect)

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(instead of, yeah

just... piling them all on)

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 1:37 AM

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yeah like, imagine you have smth that boosts max hp a bit, and something that causes an effect on kill, why just stack them up when you can make smth like "Killing an enemy boosts your max hp up to 100" or smth

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 1:37 AM

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Yeah stuff like that

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 1:37 AM

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~~totally not the infusion from RoR2~~

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 1:38 AM

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I've got uhh...

I've got like 5 pages of Google Doc describing how we could change our current accessories to do stuff like that...

radiant meadow Jan 25, 2020, 1:38 AM

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hmm

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can I see?

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 1:38 AM

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if some are cool i would like them to get in

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 1:38 AM

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Well it's amongst a sea of other changes

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tis my big fat doc

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 1:38 AM

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oh that doc

radiant meadow Jan 25, 2020, 1:39 AM

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that's what Ctrl + F is for

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 1:39 AM

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~~you really should drop that soon before it piles up to unmesurable levels~~

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 1:39 AM

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(It's not necessarily focused specifically on that combinatory effect
but moreso just making equipment (and weapons) more focused and interesting with their effects overall)

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ex. Siren's Heart
What a mess

Defense, life regen, glowing, Hunter/Dangersense, shop discount
all superfluous

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(although the shop discount is funny.)

radiant meadow Jan 25, 2020, 1:41 AM

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you gotta influence the town npc's with your smooth moves

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 1:41 AM

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They could all be removed and, for a trade-off, buff the effects of the Ice Shield or the underwater buffs or something

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Make it more focused

radiant meadow Jan 25, 2020, 1:41 AM

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otherwise known as sing and hypnotize the town folk

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 1:41 AM

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isnt sirens heart gama's thing?

sand umbra Jan 25, 2020, 1:41 AM

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~~you mean that isn't called being attractive~~

radiant meadow Jan 25, 2020, 1:41 AM

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the effects are completely made up by Fab

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 1:41 AM

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Technically yes kinda

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 1:41 AM

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ah i see

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 1:42 AM

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but, yeah
Fab's effects

radiant meadow Jan 25, 2020, 1:42 AM

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and gama wanted the item removed

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as in resprited to anahita style

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for when that comes around

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 1:42 AM

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Yeah well that'll happen when she happens

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ye

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 1:42 AM

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well make it related to waves or smth idk

radiant meadow Jan 25, 2020, 1:43 AM

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~~so when can we see this doc?~~

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 1:44 AM

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Also, frickin
The Amalgam is one of my favorite examples of a focus nightmare that could be much better and cooler

Instead of the accessory being a fucking amalgam itself, a mishmosh of a ton of unrelated effects
It could instead spawn a unique ~~disgusting~~ minion, a super-upgraded Fungal Clump-type guy who has projectiles and effects based on the constituent accessories

ancient crow Jan 25, 2020, 1:44 AM

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YES

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that’s a really good idea honestly

sand umbra Jan 25, 2020, 1:45 AM

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Amalgam is indeed very much true to its name...for all the wrong reasons hahayes

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literally like over half its effects can't proc outside of liquid iirc

distant gyro Jan 25, 2020, 1:46 AM

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~~amalgam kinda felt like some kind of large mass combo from soul or something with a bajillion effect and still kinda ech~~

sand umbra Jan 25, 2020, 1:46 AM

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remember that you get this accessory post-DoG, which is honestly pretty far past the point where using water arenas for anything stops being viable HDfailure

ancient crow Jan 25, 2020, 1:46 AM

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15% increased damage
Shade rains down when you are hit
You will confuse nearby enemies when you are struck
Drops brimstone fireballs from the sky occasionally
Brimstone fire rains down when invincibility is active
Temporary immunity to lava, greatly reduced burn damage, and 15% increased damage in lava
Summons a fungal clump to fight for you
You leave behind poisonous seawater as you move
75% increased movement speed, 10% increase to all damage, and plus 40 defense while submerged in liquid
If you are damaged while submerged in liquid you will gain a damaging aura for a short time

radiant meadow Jan 25, 2020, 1:46 AM

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last I checked, suggestions can't be implemented if I don't know them

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PensiveCore

sand umbra Jan 25, 2020, 1:46 AM

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are you challenging me?

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HyperFailure

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 1:47 AM

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This is true

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I do try to keep my doc hidden cuz it contains many hot takes and things that would potentially infuriate Fab if he saw it
~40 pages of taking shit in my own direction, and Fab does not like having control of the mod wrastled from him.
I'm never provocative or anything like that, I do try to be polite in language ~~mostly~~. I just don't want to seem like I hate everything in the mod and want it all to be changed

radiant meadow Jan 25, 2020, 1:48 AM

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well, 90% of the time, they also have to please me in order to be implemented

sand umbra Jan 25, 2020, 1:48 AM

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...yeah, you're definitely challenging me

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lord knows I have no clue how to please people with half my suggs

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CompleteFailure

radiant meadow Jan 25, 2020, 1:49 AM

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but I also need to hold off on doing suggestions until we like actually release another update

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CompleteFailure

sand umbra Jan 25, 2020, 1:49 AM

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this is true

radiant meadow Jan 25, 2020, 1:49 AM

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I just have an itchy commit and push finger

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 1:49 AM

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i would implement suggestions if my brain wasnt about to explode 24/7 atm

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and my todo list wasnt massive as is

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 1:51 AM

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PensiveCore

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Hope your brain stabilizes soon, Shucks

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 1:58 AM

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Thank you

ashen warren Jan 25, 2020, 2:04 AM

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Someone can suggest this? Idk english very good so good so somebody pls do it for me

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Basically

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Make the book pages of calamity bosses for the boss checklist mod

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 2:05 AM

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That's happening, don't worry

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Next update

distant gyro Jan 25, 2020, 2:05 AM

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That's already done yes

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 2:05 AM

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It's all already programmed

radiant meadow Jan 25, 2020, 2:14 AM

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I guess I'll just explode now

sand umbra Jan 25, 2020, 2:23 AM

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:literallyfuckingdead:

gusty geode Jan 25, 2020, 4:22 AM

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I'm probably wrong here
But if you removed the bands from the cuffs recipe
Wouldn't that just leave the shackle

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 4:23 AM

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Yeah the proposition is to replace em with something

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like Fallen Stars and/or Demonite Bars

tired haven Jan 25, 2020, 4:25 AM

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Tbh even if that one recipe makes 0 sense I wouldn't have tempered with it that much

radiant meadow Jan 25, 2020, 4:26 AM

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except it does make some sense

tired haven Jan 25, 2020, 4:26 AM

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Mana regen ring by itself is pretty minor effect and life regen is incorporated in lots of other things already

radiant meadow Jan 25, 2020, 4:26 AM

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daryl

tired haven Jan 25, 2020, 4:27 AM

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And oh well a bit

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Funny thing is btw, the cuffs DO inherit 20 mana

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So at least third of upgrade is legit

radiant meadow Jan 25, 2020, 4:28 AM

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celestial cuffs lose it for some reason

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but I feel that the magnet effect is pretty major

tired haven Jan 25, 2020, 4:29 AM

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Oh
Hmm
Fire gauntlet 2 p much?

distant gyro Jan 25, 2020, 4:29 AM

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band of starpower line is a sidegrade to eachother

radiant meadow Jan 25, 2020, 4:29 AM

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kinda

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but the magnet is way better than magma stone

distant gyro Jan 25, 2020, 4:29 AM

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except magic cuffs that's a direct upgrade

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CompleteFailure

tired haven Jan 25, 2020, 4:29 AM

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And 20 mana is pretty negligible when you would use cuffs so byeah

sand umbra Jan 25, 2020, 4:44 AM

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I honestly don't understand the purpose of the Gallant Pickaxe

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I never have

indigo fog Jan 25, 2020, 4:45 AM

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meld lunar pickaxe

sand umbra Jan 25, 2020, 4:45 AM

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I know what it is

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my question was moreso "why does it exist"

indigo fog Jan 25, 2020, 4:45 AM

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because meld is a lunar fragment, and it needs a pickaxe

sand umbra Jan 25, 2020, 4:45 AM

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yes

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and that pickaxe should be a normal goddamn pickaxe, not a direct upgrade to the other four

tired haven Jan 25, 2020, 4:46 AM

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Imho lunar pickaxes do not need a buff BUT uelibloom ore/exodium claster? need a nerf to be mined by anything here

indigo fog Jan 25, 2020, 4:46 AM

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then gallant pickaxe would still be an instant upgrade

sand umbra Jan 25, 2020, 4:46 AM

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it already is

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just nerf the damn thing

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Wtf

tired haven Jan 25, 2020, 4:47 AM

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mmm if gallant would copy lunar stats by removing it from upgrade tree, it wouldn't be an upgrade

wide flicker Jan 25, 2020, 4:47 AM

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Thomas is having an aneurism here

tired haven Jan 25, 2020, 4:47 AM

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Just like xeroc was moved to rogue only

sand umbra Jan 25, 2020, 4:47 AM

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correct, it wouldn't be an upgrade to the Lunar Pickaxes

and it doesn't need to be, if I'm being quite blunt with you

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it's a Lunar-tier pickaxe. that's the long and short of it

radiant meadow Jan 25, 2020, 4:49 AM

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meld blobs aren't a lunar fragment

indigo fog Jan 25, 2020, 4:49 AM

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they are close enough

sand umbra Jan 25, 2020, 4:49 AM

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I'm pretty sure that's called "semantics" HDfailure

radiant meadow Jan 25, 2020, 4:49 AM

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not really

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meld blobs have several differences from lunar fragments

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literally the only connection is xeroc being a rogue armor

tired haven Jan 25, 2020, 4:51 AM

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Ok
Meld blob is a modded material that was implemented to increase celestial event's gear variety while also making sure to avoid questionable design choice of adding 5th pillar, effectively coming as lunar fragment's analogue
How is that

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failure

radiant meadow Jan 25, 2020, 4:51 AM

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I mean, meld bars aren't even really a rogue class material

sand umbra Jan 25, 2020, 4:51 AM

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haven't we--

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okay wait a minute this isn't the point

indigo fog Jan 25, 2020, 4:52 AM

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Even if it isn't a lunar fragment, it is still an instant upgrade that makes lunar pickaxes useless.

tired haven Jan 25, 2020, 4:52 AM

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You don't imply that stardust fragments are used only in summoner equipment, do you? (and 3 more examples with other pillars)

radiant meadow Jan 25, 2020, 4:52 AM

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well, in vanilla, yes taxevasion

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~~what clam shit uses stardust fragments besides statis curse?~~

tired haven Jan 25, 2020, 4:53 AM

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Even then, wings and tools are universal yet can be crafted with them

sand umbra Jan 25, 2020, 4:53 AM

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the point here is that the Gallant Pickaxe is in no way separated from the Lunar Pickaxes it uses as material and is objectively better than them in every fashion despite being basically effortless to obtain after you have a Lunar Pickaxe alone
the two ideas here are either to buff the Lunar Pickaxes to make them actually usable or to adjust the Gallant Pickaxe to be on the same tier and make Uelibloom mineable with 225% pickaxe power or higher

tired haven Jan 25, 2020, 4:54 AM

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It's certainly more of semantics that productive separation

radiant meadow Jan 25, 2020, 4:54 AM

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I think buff is better

tepid root Jan 25, 2020, 4:54 AM

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wait about fragments and what they craft, why does swarmer use vortex fragments and not nebula

radiant meadow Jan 25, 2020, 4:54 AM

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because apparently laser drill is a thing

tired haven Jan 25, 2020, 4:54 AM

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Laser drill certainly ISN'T a thing KEKW

sand umbra Jan 25, 2020, 4:55 AM

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well no, it ain't

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because the DCU exists

tired haven Jan 25, 2020, 4:55 AM

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Well, not popular one at least

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Does that one point fit?
"One may find that the Luminite Pickaxes are better at general mining than the Laser Drill; the 5% boost the Laser Drill has isn't required for mining any block and the Luminite Pickaxes are much faster. One could consider taking both but this may prove impractical."

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 4:56 AM

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@indigo fog I feel like it'd be a better idea and an easier one to reduce Uelibloom's mining requirement than to buff all the Lunar Pickaxes to Gallant's level

tired haven Jan 25, 2020, 4:56 AM

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(well, and also nerf gallant to lunar level, tbf)
still simpler and cleaner solution

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 4:57 AM

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Yeah

indigo fog Jan 25, 2020, 4:57 AM

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ok

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im editing it

tired haven Jan 25, 2020, 4:57 AM

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Exodium will also have to be nerfed, however

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 4:57 AM

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Nope

tired haven Jan 25, 2020, 4:57 AM

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nvm

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 4:57 AM

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Exodium is Lunar

tired haven Jan 25, 2020, 4:57 AM

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I'm goofed

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 4:57 AM

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goofy

indigo fog Jan 25, 2020, 4:58 AM

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edited

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 4:59 AM

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Thank you

(you don't mention reducing Uelibloom Ore's mining requirement but I suppose that's implied.)

sand umbra Jan 25, 2020, 4:59 AM

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I mean, considering there'd be no way to mine Uelibloom Ore without going full Demoman otherwise

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hahayes

indigo fog Jan 25, 2020, 5:00 AM

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fixed

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 5:01 AM

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Nice

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It is complete

split narwhal Jan 25, 2020, 5:13 AM

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Give picksaw a tooltip that says"able to mine chaotic ore"

When I played calamity for the first time I completely forgot about the chaotic ore in the abyss until I killed ravager.Every other ore in calamity has messages but for chaotic ores where was no status messages or anything telling you that you could mine it after you kill golem.Giving the picksaw a tooltip stating this or just display a status message would help greatly.

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thoughts

distant gyro Jan 25, 2020, 5:13 AM

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good

sand umbra Jan 25, 2020, 5:14 AM

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good

Chaotic Ore is strange to me regardless, but good

distant gyro Jan 25, 2020, 5:14 AM

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any kind of ore that is "appears at the start of the game just don't know how or when to mine it" is kinda the ultimate dilemma

sand umbra Jan 25, 2020, 5:15 AM

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just pull an Astral Ore iirc

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 5:15 AM

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Well that's different

sand umbra Jan 25, 2020, 5:16 AM

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fair enough

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 6:02 AM

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I mean, that makes me look forward to finding whatever breaks the ore

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Instead of "here, you can mine this the moment you see it"

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 6:03 AM

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Which ore are you talkin about?

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 6:04 AM

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As mentioned, chaotic ore, or if we talking vanilla, shit like chloro does it too

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 6:04 AM

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Ah, okay

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 6:05 AM

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(referring to the fact theyre saying chaotic ore is weird)

loud steeple Jan 25, 2020, 12:46 PM

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I allways forget chaotic ore is a thing since I almost never go to the abyss

ashen warren Jan 25, 2020, 1:00 PM

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If you’re worried about the player not knowing what Chaotic ore is, tell them. The picksaw tooltip could say “can mine chaotic ore, which can be found in the abyss”

swift wadi Jan 25, 2020, 1:01 PM

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make a chat message or something if you're gonna do that

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The depths of the Abyss heat up

ashen warren Jan 25, 2020, 1:02 PM

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The method doesn’t matter. The idea’s the same

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Although a message like that may not be helpful to someone who does not know what chaotic ore is, but I get your point

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 1:05 PM

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A message would imply chaotic ore spawned at that moment, which it didnt

swift wadi Jan 25, 2020, 1:06 PM

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True

ashen warren Jan 25, 2020, 1:10 PM

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The heat of the abyss can now be harvested
Or something to that effect

swift wadi Jan 25, 2020, 1:11 PM

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I think it would be the only ore to leave a message in chat like that, it would be kinda
bizarre now that I think about it

sand umbra Jan 25, 2020, 1:12 PM

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actually
wouldn't a message also help with indicating that a select few Abyss enemies can now drop Chaotic Ore

or is that + Chaotic Ore becoming able to be mined by a newly-unlocked pickaxe too small to care for still

ashen warren Jan 25, 2020, 1:12 PM

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It is the only ore to spawn on worldgen yet be a late hardmode ore, so it in itself is bizarre

sand umbra Jan 25, 2020, 1:12 PM

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honestly yeah Chaotic Ore in and of itself is an outlier amongst ores

swift wadi Jan 25, 2020, 1:13 PM

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True

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 1:13 PM

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echascend

sand umbra Jan 25, 2020, 1:13 PM

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it spawns on worldgen, specifically in a location added by Calamity, and cannot be mined until you're nearing the tail end of Hardmode

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(or have already killed ML, depending on how you go about it)

swift wadi Jan 25, 2020, 1:15 PM

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I just got an idea, what if when you hit blocks you couldn't mine yet, something happened like a picture of the pickaxe you need pops up above your head

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Maybe not fitting of Calamity actually but, a cool idea

ashen warren Jan 25, 2020, 1:16 PM

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Doubt there’s a way to do this without it being a sort of outlier situation

sand umbra Jan 25, 2020, 1:17 PM

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you'd be correct, more or less
and it is because Chaotic Ore is, again, an outlier in and of itself

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the one ore I can semi-closely relate to it would be Charred Ore but tbf that can be mined much earlier

ashen warren Jan 25, 2020, 1:18 PM

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You do still have to go our of your way to do it tho

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Perhaps we could pair a couple of things

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An abyss related chat message paired with the Picksaw tooltip “Can mine Chaotic ore”

zenith hazel Jan 25, 2020, 1:22 PM

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swift wadi Jan 25, 2020, 1:22 PM

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holy shit I looked in here and thought someone spammed

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The 6th one doesn't have a thumbs up yet

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🤔

swift wadi Jan 25, 2020, 2:49 PM

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Make those two into one suggestion

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@eager knoll

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Like, add the reason to the end of the original post

eager knoll Jan 25, 2020, 2:50 PM

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Hmm?

civic pond Jan 25, 2020, 2:50 PM

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just edit the first suggestion to include the reason

eager knoll Jan 25, 2020, 2:50 PM

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Ok.

civic pond Jan 25, 2020, 2:50 PM

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i'd love this as a source of endothermic energy

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buffed cryogen sounds odd to me though BirbThonk

ashen warren Jan 25, 2020, 2:51 PM

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Then there should also be an alt source for nightmare fuel

civic pond Jan 25, 2020, 2:51 PM

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~~and delete the second message~~

eager knoll Jan 25, 2020, 2:51 PM

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I have now.

civic pond Jan 25, 2020, 2:51 PM

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yep ok

ashen warren Jan 25, 2020, 2:52 PM

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@hollow shell sorry to disturb but are the star and ! reactions in each suggestion automatically given by a bot or someone has to manually react

swift wadi Jan 25, 2020, 2:52 PM

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A bot does it

night cradle Jan 25, 2020, 2:52 PM

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they are given by a bot

ashen warren Jan 25, 2020, 2:52 PM

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kk

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Which bot

distant gyro Jan 25, 2020, 2:52 PM

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suggestionbot

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aka custom

swift wadi Jan 25, 2020, 2:53 PM

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@ashen warren

ashen warren Jan 25, 2020, 2:53 PM

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lol

distant gyro Jan 25, 2020, 2:53 PM

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suggestion DEMON

swift wadi Jan 25, 2020, 2:53 PM

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Sorry for the ping Mr. Bot 😳

civic pond Jan 25, 2020, 3:00 PM

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cursed plastic dagger

hallow kraken Jan 25, 2020, 3:01 PM

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Deathmode rework sug moment

swift wadi Jan 25, 2020, 3:01 PM

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When on earth, do you get inflicted with ichor, and then fall into jungle water

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What?

night cradle Jan 25, 2020, 3:02 PM

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~~and then, the leeches ascend to godhood~~
ngl I don't really see the reason this would be a thing
way too situational, especially since jungle is far away from crimson for the change to be used

civic pond Jan 25, 2020, 3:02 PM

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remove ichor because leeches suck you is what im getting at(?)

hallow kraken Jan 25, 2020, 3:02 PM

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Not totally sure but kinda sounds like future mod content

civic pond Jan 25, 2020, 3:02 PM

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eah

swift wadi Jan 25, 2020, 3:02 PM

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Ichor is blood, so the leaches would give it the suck basically

civic pond Jan 25, 2020, 3:03 PM

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well yeah

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but what aloe said

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far too situational

swift wadi Jan 25, 2020, 3:03 PM

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But that would require getting hit by one of the like, two enemies that inflict ichor, and then falling into jungle water

indigo fog Jan 25, 2020, 3:03 PM

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isn't it a don't to suggest for future updates?

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before they come out

hallow kraken Jan 25, 2020, 3:03 PM

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yes

prime elbow Jan 25, 2020, 3:03 PM

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This is really just for a bit of polish

civic pond Jan 25, 2020, 3:03 PM

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polish what though

prime elbow Jan 25, 2020, 3:04 PM

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existence

civic pond Jan 25, 2020, 3:04 PM

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yep ok

hallow kraken Jan 25, 2020, 3:04 PM

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Woah great reasoning

indigo fog Jan 25, 2020, 3:04 PM

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at least wait for the update to release before suggesting this

quick ice Jan 25, 2020, 3:07 PM

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There’s another issue with this;
Why would you be under the effects of ichor in the jungle?

night cradle Jan 25, 2020, 3:07 PM

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or in the underground crimson desert

swift wadi Jan 25, 2020, 3:07 PM

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crimson overlaps your jungle or something I guess

hallow kraken Jan 25, 2020, 3:07 PM

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It’s really too situational to be a thing+future mod content suggestion

night cradle Jan 25, 2020, 3:07 PM

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yeah, but it rarely ever gets to the point where underground j also gets to be infected

quick ice Jan 25, 2020, 3:08 PM

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Yeah, and any death-mode suggestions should be left until after the update once we know what they’re planning to do with the mode

hallow kraken Jan 25, 2020, 3:09 PM

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is this a thing that should temporarily be in pins until the update comes out ~~or until people get it~~

quick ice Jan 25, 2020, 3:10 PM

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most people should get it, and iirc it’s already part of the rules to look at changelogs before making a suggestion so that should be enough

civic pond Jan 25, 2020, 3:12 PM

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what pins

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its all a figment of your imagination

hallow kraken Jan 25, 2020, 3:12 PM

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right, forgot they don’t exist

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 3:12 PM

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way too situational, especially since jungle is far away from crimson for the change to be used

Cries in evil biome worldgenning in the jungle

civic pond Jan 25, 2020, 3:12 PM

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sorry but i only know ice corruption

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😔

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Well the rev map im playing rn has a corruption literally besides the jungle

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But yeah, situational

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One of those situations is my horrid luck echthink

hallow kraken Jan 25, 2020, 3:14 PM

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would it also count as future mod content?

quick ice Jan 25, 2020, 3:16 PM

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Yes

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It’s related to a future mod change, which is a no-no

indigo fog Jan 25, 2020, 3:20 PM

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About that Cryogen suggestion

Cryogen being an ice themed boss isn't a good enough reason.
The Pumpkin Moon would need some kind of alternative if they were to do this. I don't see Cryogen randomly spawning in the Frost Moon while the Pumpkin Moon stays as it is. Cryogen AND Ice Queen puking out tons of Endothermic Energy will leave you with much more of it than the Pumpkin Moon. At least edit the suggestion to slightly lower Ice Queen's spawn rate.
Defeating a buffed Cryogen is way easier than the buffed Frost Moon because post-DoG gear makes the boss's slow projectiles much easier to dodge than it already is. Cryogen was made for early hardmode and you now have post-DoG movement and gear.
There are already enemies everywhere during the Frost Moon that deal massive damage, especially when you are being swarmed by Ice Queens. Having a bunch of Cryogens, even one, will turn it into a mess, even more so when they go into their last phase.
I seriously just think both events are fine as they are.

I just don't see this happening.

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I didn't think this was going to be this large of a wall of text, sorry about that

fervent citrus Jan 25, 2020, 3:22 PM

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||~~the great king forgives you~~||

hallow kraken Jan 25, 2020, 3:23 PM

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ice slimes are ice themed

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buff them after dog and make them spawn during frost moon

fervent citrus Jan 25, 2020, 3:23 PM

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BanditHueh

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No wait, what about the rest of the ice themed enemies?

frail mantle Jan 25, 2020, 3:27 PM

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make Ice Golem lasers home, ignore debuff immunities, buff its damage and health and make it drop Endothermic Energy
:why:: it's ice themed

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 3:28 PM

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Btw inventory clutter moments if you play normal cuz bags dont exist there echmega

hallow kraken Jan 25, 2020, 3:29 PM

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buff ice blocks after worm spawn frost moon

ice theme

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 3:34 PM

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Also, frost moon isnt really themed around ice

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Its themed around christmas

indigo fog Jan 25, 2020, 3:36 PM

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then again i'm pretty sure Ice Queen has nothing to do with Christmas

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it's just an ice boss

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 3:36 PM

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Shes the winter of the christmas i guess

quick ice Jan 25, 2020, 3:37 PM

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Shrink the Sand Tortoise: Pretty self explanatory, this guys huge right now and for an underground desert enemy its size makes it ineffective at hurting the player due to the size of the caves down there.

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proposal for some changes to the Sand Tortoise, thoughts?

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 3:37 PM

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have the sandstorm spawn in the sandstorm

foggy kindle Jan 25, 2020, 3:37 PM

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Have the sandstorm spawn in Desert during sandstorms?

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Wha

distant gyro Jan 25, 2020, 3:37 PM

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CompleteFailure

sand umbra Jan 25, 2020, 3:38 PM

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@quick ice sandstorms can now spawn during sandstorms, yes

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~~in which I have the worst timing in the universe~~

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 3:38 PM

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Hmm yes the floor here is made our of floor

sand umbra Jan 25, 2020, 3:38 PM

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hmm

quick ice Jan 25, 2020, 3:39 PM

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fixed

indigo fog Jan 25, 2020, 3:39 PM

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this is fine

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but there is already too much going on in a sandstorm for sand tortoises to spawn

foggy kindle Jan 25, 2020, 3:40 PM

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I feel like a bunch of Desert Sharks + Tortoises spawn around you isn't really fun... ~~But tbf the game isn't really fun the moment sandstorm happens anyway~~

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 3:40 PM

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Ok so

sand umbra Jan 25, 2020, 3:40 PM

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there's too much going on in a sandstorm to begin with

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fucking Dune Splicers everywhere

foggy kindle Jan 25, 2020, 3:41 PM

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And those fucking things

distant gyro Jan 25, 2020, 3:41 PM

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and sharks

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and elementals

quick ice Jan 25, 2020, 3:41 PM

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I could certainly cut the Sandstorm part out, I just added it in since I felt that putting them in the normal desert wouldn't work since everything else that spawns there is weak

foggy kindle Jan 25, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Just make Tortoises fly through blocks like Cnidrions do

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 3:41 PM

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You want them to be smaller so they can traverse through caves
But you also say theyre effective in open areas and as such should instead be put in the surface

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Idontgetit

indigo fog Jan 25, 2020, 3:41 PM

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that'll be crazy and unpredictable

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 3:42 PM

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Why do one thing when the other happens

sand umbra Jan 25, 2020, 3:42 PM

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Cnidrions just flop through blocks

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a

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b, Tortoises are horrible in every biome ever and should not be given such an enormous buff in the Underground Desert

foggy kindle Jan 25, 2020, 3:42 PM

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Reduce its speed down should fix the unpredictable part

hexed ore Jan 25, 2020, 3:42 PM

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Shtomp

quick ice Jan 25, 2020, 3:42 PM

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the idea would be for them to spawn in both the underground and the Sandstorm

hexed ore Jan 25, 2020, 3:42 PM

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suffering

indigo fog Jan 25, 2020, 3:43 PM

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reducing the speed still gives no indication

foggy kindle Jan 25, 2020, 3:44 PM

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Well you can see them flying at you

indigo fog Jan 25, 2020, 3:44 PM

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not if they are flying through blocks

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you cant always see through blocks underground

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it's dark there

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 3:45 PM

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Uh

foggy kindle Jan 25, 2020, 3:45 PM

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~~Torches exist but alright~~

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 3:45 PM

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Nobody said to make them go through blocks

quick ice Jan 25, 2020, 3:45 PM

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AnotherSquid did as a joke

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 3:46 PM

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Ah i missed that

quick ice Jan 25, 2020, 3:46 PM

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anyhow, back to my Cryon Suggestion so it's not worthless anymore

indigo fog Jan 25, 2020, 3:46 PM

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Cryon suggestion?

quick ice Jan 25, 2020, 3:47 PM

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I was looking at the enemies last night trying to find more issues with them, and I noticed that the Cryon is inferior to the Ice Clasper in a lot more ways than it should be

indigo fog Jan 25, 2020, 3:47 PM

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oh i see

quick ice Jan 25, 2020, 3:50 PM

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Here's a comparison

📎 unknown.png

ashen warren Jan 25, 2020, 3:52 PM

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Cute

indigo fog Jan 25, 2020, 3:56 PM

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I think the Ice Clasper's health should be slightly nerfed along with the Cryon's buff. It always seemed like it had a little too much health (at least for me)

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but i might be wrong

quick ice Jan 25, 2020, 4:01 PM

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yeah, upon further consideration I've realized that the AI for the Cryon (Which is my main issue with it) isn't really able to be changed into anything interesting besides giving it an Ice laser or another ice-themed projectile

mellow bay Jan 25, 2020, 4:19 PM

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i have a (pretty old) suggestion with more than 90 stars (92) and it doesn't have the green check mark

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http://prntscr.com/qsr5ie

Lightshot

Screenshot

Captured with Lightshot

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oh

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nvm

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its not like that (im so dumb)

indigo fog Jan 25, 2020, 4:21 PM

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Does anyone think post-Providence Calamitas should have her and her brothers' health buffed? Every time I kill Providence I fight the 3 buffed bosses along with the Sentinels, and every time I fight Calamitas she dies in under a minute. I just killed her in like 40 seconds with Augur of the Elements while the other 2 bosses were fine.

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alright it has been 10 minutes and nobody has responded

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im just gonna post it and see what happens

queen delta Jan 25, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Honestly I wouldnt be against the idea of actually buffing them but making them exclusive to desert surface

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Jungle underground works good for tortoises cuz of the open spaces and few deadends, unlike underground desert

sand umbra Jan 25, 2020, 4:33 PM

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honestly

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Tortoises work a lot better with the Underground Jungle because there are generally much more wide, open spaces, and there isn't too terribly much separating different areas from being connected by mining

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the Underground Desert, by comparison, is a huge assortment of small coves and caves you will never have the patience to spend 5 years expanding out for sufficient space to contend with a Tortoise

quick ice Jan 25, 2020, 4:36 PM

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They should still be shrunken or given a new sprite so they don’t look bad (And because there’s no reason to them being large)

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 5:06 PM

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@prime elbow Don't make suggestions about upcoming features

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You can re-send that once the update releases

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 5:53 PM

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I wanna ask for clarification with what happens when taking screenshots in those biomes currently
because.. I've never used the screenshot mode
but that could just be me

hollow idol Jan 25, 2020, 5:55 PM

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sulph sea already has one tho

ashen warren Jan 25, 2020, 5:56 PM

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With the menu, you can choose the biome background, which also affects the water color. For example, you could take a capture in the Hallow, but change the background to something like the Jungle, also changing the water color

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It’s just an aesthetic change that I was thinking about while taking screenshots of builds

hollow idol Jan 25, 2020, 5:56 PM

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oh

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 5:56 PM

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Ahh, I see

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You could include a sentence or two explaining that function

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I dunno how popular the screenshot thing is for people

tepid root Jan 25, 2020, 5:58 PM

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its used by builders a lot of the time

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Thanks Noi 👍

ashen warren Jan 25, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Np

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 10:14 PM

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reforges to hooks just sounds like more money for the goblin to drain echceasebegone

keen geyser Jan 25, 2020, 10:14 PM

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agreed

civic pond Jan 25, 2020, 10:15 PM

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hook reforges sound cool doe,,.,.,.

keen geyser Jan 25, 2020, 10:15 PM

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in a way it sounds kinda cool

civic pond Jan 25, 2020, 10:15 PM

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i kinda want that legendary hook

keen geyser Jan 25, 2020, 10:15 PM

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but with the small amount of hooks in the game, I think it'd honestly just be a small™️ waste of time to code in

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maybe if it were accompanied with more calamity hooks

civic pond Jan 25, 2020, 10:15 PM

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~~small? idk about that~~

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 10:16 PM

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I'd hardly call the amount small
if it is small, that's even more reason to vary up the ones we have

keen geyser Jan 25, 2020, 10:16 PM

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i guess

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 10:16 PM

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More Calamity hooks would indeed be nice

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 10:17 PM

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I just dont think reforges are the way to go to make them varied

civic pond Jan 25, 2020, 10:17 PM

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I like the idea of hooks with different effects though

keen geyser Jan 25, 2020, 10:17 PM

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still kinda cemented on the fact that it'd fit better with the addition of more hooks

civic pond Jan 25, 2020, 10:17 PM

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e.g. static hook or gravity hook

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which are honestly really useful in their own ways

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 10:17 PM

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well i dont think a reforge is gonna give that

civic pond Jan 25, 2020, 10:17 PM

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nope

foggy plover Jan 25, 2020, 10:17 PM

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~~can we get a hook that actually functions like an irl hook?~~

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 10:18 PM

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Like, Starbound-style?
Gravity, swinging, rope bends around blocks?

foggy plover Jan 25, 2020, 10:18 PM

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yes

civic pond Jan 25, 2020, 10:19 PM

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in terraria im unsure how that'd work

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 10:19 PM

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That was gonna be a thing in otherworld but you know what happened to that

foggy plover Jan 25, 2020, 10:19 PM

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I love gravity based things, its one of the few things terraria falls off on sadly

tired haven Jan 25, 2020, 10:19 PM

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Isn't that kinda a thing in overhaul

civic pond Jan 25, 2020, 10:19 PM

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the closest we get to that is gravity hook

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which sort of(?) does that but at a much slower rate

tired haven Jan 25, 2020, 10:19 PM

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kinda because iirc it doesn't bend around blocks

civic pond Jan 25, 2020, 10:19 PM

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no bending

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but at least you can "swing"

tired haven Jan 25, 2020, 10:20 PM

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I see then

foggy plover Jan 25, 2020, 10:20 PM

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imo hooks should be a combo of anti grav, static hook, + being thrown like rope

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but it is a basic terraria function to be the exact opposite of that

civic pond Jan 25, 2020, 10:21 PM

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different hooks would still be neat.

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 10:21 PM

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Hooks have been a thing suggested since
time immemorial

foggy plover Jan 25, 2020, 10:22 PM

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imo hooks are more of a polish thing, same with dyes/vanity, the mod is still having major content added to it so for now im good without hooks etc being added for now

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 10:22 PM

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and yet we only got one with the SS update

keen geyser Jan 25, 2020, 10:22 PM

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it has been suggested like 5 million times recently, so a lot of people agree

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 10:22 PM

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do we have sprites for other hooks actually?

civic pond Jan 25, 2020, 10:23 PM

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not that i know of BirbThonk

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 10:25 PM

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hook in:suggestions has:image

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They aren't great but
they exist

keen geyser Jan 25, 2020, 10:26 PM

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some of them are okay imo

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at least, the soul gripper looks p good to me.

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 10:43 PM

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thing is

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all of those are just item sprites, theres no hook sprites Kirbypain

hollow shell Jan 25, 2020, 10:44 PM

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Except Meta's

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 10:44 PM

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yeah

keen geyser Jan 25, 2020, 10:47 PM

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yeah tgood point

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 10:47 PM

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tho having a hook put you inside blocks might not be the best of ideas

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unless youre like exploring

keen geyser Jan 25, 2020, 10:48 PM

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the amount of bugs and exploits that'd cause

lost agate Jan 25, 2020, 10:48 PM

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no just the fact u would end up inside a block when fighting something

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which i suppose its why you can just single tap it

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~~Also hello yes, discussing something from 2 years ago nothing much~~

keen geyser Jan 25, 2020, 10:50 PM

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ah, yeah

keen geyser Jan 26, 2020, 3:16 AM

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isn't that a dont

zenith hazel Jan 26, 2020, 3:18 AM

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the mods are already talking about it and voting on it, no need for a suggestion

void kelp Jan 26, 2020, 3:18 AM

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ah shit

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soorry

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boop

hollow shell Jan 26, 2020, 4:29 AM

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@proud isle Assuming you mean Rev+, you could also mention a consistency factor
in that most other bosses are at least given a new unique attack, but QB only has adjustments

proud isle Jan 26, 2020, 4:29 AM

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Oh yeah

mighty knot Jan 26, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Make Stingers launched by Hornets, Queen Bee, Plaguebringer Goliath etc. More Visible.

This has always been a problem in vanilla, what with hornets doing so much damage early prehardmode, but it is more so in Calamity with Plaguebringer Goliath and the harder Rev+ versions of Queen Bee. Since the Goliath changes the background to a much darker green color, and since the stingers do more damage, it feels kind of cheap when you're hit by something you can't even see. They're tiny and blend in with everything (and are even more camouflaged in a jungle background, which is where the majority appear). In Rev+, Queen Bee launches even more stingers, and they also do a lot of damage, encountering nearly the same problem. The fact that she enrages aboveground, making it impossible to get rid of the camouflaging jungle background, does not help.

proud isle Jan 26, 2020, 4:32 AM

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#suggestions-voting maybe

hollow shell Jan 26, 2020, 4:32 AM

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Well, Goliath's stingers have red lights on them

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and nah you're recommended to send em here first for review

proud isle Jan 26, 2020, 4:33 AM

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Oh

hollow shell Jan 26, 2020, 4:34 AM

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Seems like an aight suggestion
Potion of Omniscience would help with that, cuz they illuminate enemy projectiles
but those're post-Skeletron

civic laurel Jan 26, 2020, 4:43 AM

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@mighty knot does dangersense or hunter work on stingers?

mighty knot Jan 26, 2020, 4:44 AM

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um

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true dangersense

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but they're still pretty hard to see

hollow shell Jan 26, 2020, 4:44 AM

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No, Dangersense does not work

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only Omniscience

mighty knot Jan 26, 2020, 4:45 AM

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what about true dangersense

hollow shell Jan 26, 2020, 4:45 AM

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What is that

mighty knot Jan 26, 2020, 4:45 AM

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isn't that a thing?

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just highlights enemy projectiles and traps

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I feel like it's a thing

hollow shell Jan 26, 2020, 4:45 AM

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Some AlchemistNPC thing I assume

proud isle Jan 26, 2020, 4:45 AM

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That’s not calamity

mighty knot Jan 26, 2020, 4:45 AM

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but it might be alchnpc or something

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yeah

hollow shell Jan 26, 2020, 4:57 AM

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@opaque sierra Extremely tedious?
If you're at post-Yharon2 it shouldn't be hard to throw down a Chaos Candle, pop a Zerg, and enable Defiled Rune

opaque sierra Jan 26, 2020, 4:58 AM

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The fucking things not only wont spawn but won’t drop the thing

hollow idol Jan 26, 2020, 4:58 AM

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there was this rejected sug

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hollow shell Jan 26, 2020, 4:58 AM

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That was a different kind of thing

hollow idol Jan 26, 2020, 4:58 AM

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still provided it as an alt option

opaque sierra Jan 26, 2020, 4:58 AM

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I spent 2 hours with defiled, Zerg, water candle and chaos candle

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I encountered 9 possessed armor

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Fucking 9.

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stan

hollow shell Jan 26, 2020, 4:59 AM

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Damn, that seems strange

opaque sierra Jan 26, 2020, 4:59 AM

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NINE

hollow idol Jan 26, 2020, 4:59 AM

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psy amulet was also not nice for me to get

hollow shell Jan 26, 2020, 4:59 AM

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In my Blood Orb farming I was swimming in Psychotic Amulets, and I didn't even have Defiled Rune turned on (iirc)

swift wadi Jan 26, 2020, 4:59 AM

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something was probably eating your spawns

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like a cave or something like that

opaque sierra Jan 26, 2020, 5:00 AM

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Aw hell naw everything else was there

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Fucking possessed armor takin a day off though

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Like

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dafaq

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Dafuq

queen delta Jan 26, 2020, 5:01 AM

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Well, that doesnt seem right

opaque sierra Jan 26, 2020, 5:01 AM

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In the 7 Zerg overloaded blood moons I’ve done I’ve only gotten 1

hollow shell Jan 26, 2020, 5:01 AM

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Do you happen to have like 2 other major content mods installed

opaque sierra Jan 26, 2020, 5:02 AM

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I got thorium

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And I got the enigma mod

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But nothing else major

hollow shell Jan 26, 2020, 5:02 AM

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Those could definitely factor into it

opaque sierra Jan 26, 2020, 5:02 AM

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Enigma is a helluva lot smaller than thorium

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Not many enemies added by it

hollow shell Jan 26, 2020, 5:04 AM

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I see, yeah

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Thorium does completely overtake Blood Moons tho

opaque sierra Jan 26, 2020, 5:05 AM

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Regular Zerg nights tho

hollow shell Jan 26, 2020, 5:05 AM

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Dunno what to tell you

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You got way less Possessed Armors than you should've

opaque sierra Jan 26, 2020, 5:06 AM

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shit.

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Well

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~~cheat sheet it is then~~

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JJonah

civic laurel Jan 26, 2020, 5:10 AM

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what does the gray reaction mean

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its not on pinned

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looks like some gray box with something on top

lost agate Jan 26, 2020, 5:14 AM

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Is discord memeing on blue checks again? echbegone

hollow shell Jan 26, 2020, 5:21 AM

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Jump to the pin, you should see the emote there

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It's probably the bluecheck

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☑️ = bluecheck

gusty geode Jan 26, 2020, 5:35 AM

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Thing: takes time and effort to get
Calamity fan-base:

hollow shell Jan 26, 2020, 5:40 AM

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That is indeed a tendency

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In this case tho he did put in the time and effort, but God was fuckin with him

teal ibex Jan 26, 2020, 5:44 AM

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the more you make this take the less substantive it seems and the more it feels like whining that people have a different opinion than you tbh

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it's not a great look

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psychotic amulet is actually completely irrelevant to a lot of people's playthroughs despite nearly everybody having to grind for it, that's not a good example of effort required

hollow shell Jan 26, 2020, 5:52 AM

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I don't think Auric Tesla even inherits its effects, does it?

rapid pivot Jan 26, 2020, 6:01 AM

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it just provides a discount Stealth effect, iirc

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actually, come to think of it; why is it required in all of the helmets?

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wouldn't it make a lot more sense to have a universally-required item in the chestplate or something?

hollow shell Jan 26, 2020, 6:02 AM

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There is

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Frost Barrier.

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Leggings have Magic Carpet.

rapid pivot Jan 26, 2020, 6:03 AM

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why not do that with the amulet, then?

teal ibex Jan 26, 2020, 6:03 AM

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it really honestly just shouldn't be in auric set honestly

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nor should frost barrier imo

rapid pivot Jan 26, 2020, 6:03 AM

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Or, even, maybe only make it part of the recipes for the ranged and rogue auric helmets.

teal ibex Jan 26, 2020, 6:04 AM

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they aren't really... impactful? their identity is generally very limited and has no actual recognizable effect on the armor

rapid pivot Jan 26, 2020, 6:04 AM

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At least there it vaguely makes sense.

teal ibex Jan 26, 2020, 6:04 AM

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magic carpet at least is substantial in that it will trigger when your wings run out, and is visibly incorporated and whatever

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but frost barrier and psycho amulet are just... somewhere in the effect soup

gusty geode Jan 26, 2020, 7:34 AM

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Since the Blazing Wheel thing confirms changes to specific enemies are gonna be happening
Are we allowed to suggest Death Mode enemy AI changes? Or does that fall under exclusive content, which iirc is against the rules?

distant gyro Jan 26, 2020, 7:36 AM

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fab already has plans to execute AI changes

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many of them

gusty geode Jan 26, 2020, 7:37 AM

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Really don't like the mentality that plans already being in place means coming up with your own ideas is a bad thing

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Besides
I doubt every enemy is covered
Might as well throw out a few ideas and see if anything sticks

hollow shell Jan 26, 2020, 7:39 AM

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Would not be against the rules, cuz it's Deathmode items that aren't allowed
and technically it doesn't pertain to upcoming changelogs content but it also kinda does?

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(Deathmode item suggestions may come to be allowed if we add any normal Deathmode items of our own
but will stay disallowed till then)

swift wadi Jan 26, 2020, 7:41 AM

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I don't think it counts personally, I think the rule should be that you can't change mechanics already in changelogs or described, at least not until they are released, the other way would just be confusing

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It could actually prove as a good way for devs to get ideas, depending on what comes out of it

distant gyro Jan 26, 2020, 7:42 AM

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you can be a bit vague to ensure safety

swift wadi Jan 26, 2020, 7:42 AM

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True true, would be a good idea

distant gyro Jan 26, 2020, 7:43 AM

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hell, even "rev+ ai change"

gusty geode Jan 26, 2020, 7:43 AM

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Aight
Gimme a sec, I'll see what I can do
~~Not to self-promote or anything but made a bit of a name for myself doing this kinda thing in Fargo's~~

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Rev+ Enemy AI Changes

-Devilfish's mask protects from more hits, but it still becomes aggressive/faster after taking the normal 5.
-Despair Stones create explosions that inflict Brimstone Flames on impact with a block.
-Pitbulls can move much faster and sometimes inflict Feral Bite.
-Angry Dogs spawn in phase 2 and also sometimes inflict Feral Bite.
-Bloatfish spawn at maximum size and are immune to KB.

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How's that for a start

hollow idol Jan 26, 2020, 8:53 AM

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~~I know that it makes a lot of sense for that suggestion to be a thing, but at that point its just a light pet~~

still cliff Jan 26, 2020, 8:53 AM

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Yeah but its a sun

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taxevasion

hollow idol Jan 26, 2020, 8:54 AM

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yeah I know that, and its weird that a sun wouldn't emit light, but it still clashes with the idea of a light pet

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gameplay takes priority afterall

still cliff Jan 26, 2020, 8:55 AM

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I know.
Its an early pre-hardmode weapon

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To help you out with its light while being in the dark.

hollow idol Jan 26, 2020, 8:56 AM

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thats kinda the issue though, it would outclass every single prehm light pet

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except smol Siren but she only works underwater

still cliff Jan 26, 2020, 8:57 AM

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Ι know

hollow shell Jan 26, 2020, 9:00 AM

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Could just be really dim

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Oh, it
it already does emit light, apparently?

keen geyser Jan 26, 2020, 9:01 AM

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is it talking about the shots, by chance?

still cliff Jan 26, 2020, 9:02 AM

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I just read that in death mode the nurse will be refused to heal you

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Jesus Christ

hollow shell Jan 26, 2020, 9:02 AM

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Indeed

keen geyser Jan 26, 2020, 9:02 AM

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~~finally~~

still cliff Jan 26, 2020, 9:02 AM

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Holy cow
Why

keen geyser Jan 26, 2020, 9:02 AM

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prevent nurse cheese

hollow shell Jan 26, 2020, 9:02 AM

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Noo it's only during boss fights

still cliff Jan 26, 2020, 9:02 AM

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I know

hollow shell Jan 26, 2020, 9:03 AM

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Could you (or anyone I guess) send a screenshot of Sun Spirit being used in the dark in-game?

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Cuz it does appear to emit light judging by the source

still cliff Jan 26, 2020, 9:03 AM

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I am using my phone right now but i will sent you a screenshot

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Only the laser shines

hollow idol Jan 26, 2020, 9:04 AM

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hollow shell Jan 26, 2020, 9:04 AM

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(not dark enough)

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(require larger screenshot for more contexxt)

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(preferably don't have it within blocks)

hollow idol Jan 26, 2020, 9:05 AM

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hollow shell Jan 26, 2020, 9:05 AM

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Okay that seems significant

hollow idol Jan 26, 2020, 9:05 AM

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idk if im wearing anything that emits light

hollow shell Jan 26, 2020, 9:05 AM

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Unequip everything

swift wadi Jan 26, 2020, 9:05 AM

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still cliff Jan 26, 2020, 9:05 AM

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I was playing yesterday with my friend

swift wadi Jan 26, 2020, 9:05 AM

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I only have vanity on in this

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like armor

still cliff Jan 26, 2020, 9:05 AM

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Remove it

hollow shell Jan 26, 2020, 9:06 AM

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Aight yeah that amount of light looks 👌

hollow idol Jan 26, 2020, 9:06 AM

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worthy fiber Jan 26, 2020, 9:06 AM

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~~Where's that armor from?~~

keen geyser Jan 26, 2020, 9:06 AM

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doesn't seem to emit light

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worthy fiber Jan 26, 2020, 9:06 AM

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Odd

still cliff Jan 26, 2020, 9:06 AM

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Aha

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I was right

keen geyser Jan 26, 2020, 9:06 AM

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only the beam does

still cliff Jan 26, 2020, 9:06 AM

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No wait
I was left hellyes

hollow shell Jan 26, 2020, 9:07 AM

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lol
2 screenshots: Yes it emits light
1 screenshot: No it doesn't

still cliff Jan 26, 2020, 9:07 AM

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It was the armor

keen geyser Jan 26, 2020, 9:07 AM

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quite interesting

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I have nothing on

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no accessories and no armor

hollow shell Jan 26, 2020, 9:07 AM

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Vanity cannot emit light, Nick

swift wadi Jan 26, 2020, 9:07 AM

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keen geyser Jan 26, 2020, 9:07 AM

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wtf