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#suggestions-discussion
twilit swan
swift bison
ok good
radiant meadow
see what I mean now?
swift bison
can space debuffs also check is players are behind safe background walls
?
because it would make sense for someone to be safe from them in an environment like the main planetoid base
radiant meadow
I don't think Fab programmed it yet.
swift bison
Fab, Ozz, Dom and Ben all seem to
and anyone else i don't know about who programs for calamity
twilit swan
I'm guessing Fab isn't the only programmer because that would be a 24/7 ordeal
swift bison
as i said, the main programmers i know of are Fab, Ozzatron, Dominic K, and Termi/Ben
radiant meadow
Shucks just dies
twilit swan
Ye
radiant meadow
Alterra joins Shucks in the grave of being forgotten
swift bison
Shucks is supposedly a programmer but iirc they don't actually do anything 
radiant meadow
uhhhh
Shucks does a ton of stuff
he's just on break atm
oh, and Amber does stuff
but this is veering away from suggestions
swift bison
Crappy internet strikes at the worst possible time once again
Prevented my "I kid of course" message from sending
ashen warren
of course it did
twilit swan
Nah all my suggs have been shot down so I joined the gang that slams suggs XD
opal barn
twilit swan
opal barn
Leave this chat
swift bison
Good call
twilit swan
Can you at least look and the last sugg concerning Providence? There are some serious issues with that fight
twilit swan
I'm talking about what he actually suggested
hollow shell
We'll look at it once it reaches 90 :P
twilit swan
kk
shell lynx
Will stardust armor set bonus ever get better?
tired haven
keen geyser
hmm 🤔
lost agate
loud steeple
What's the bonus now?
keen geyser
you think they're allowed to reveal that
radiant meadow
you're also assuming we even made changes
opal barn
you get 2 minions instead of 1 obviously
void kelp
two buff boys
left crest
@fiery idol that's literally #help-advice-read-pins
opal barn
^
fiery idol
oh
bitter topaz
there's also a wiki page that goes over setups if i'm not mistaken
left crest
yeah
opal barn
Yeah, class setups
left crest
it's not that specific but if you need more specific info we have a channel for that already
fiery idol
where?
left crest
fiery idol
kk
hollow shell
swift wadi
The world itself is gonna be a threat soon
hollow shell
He's referring to the environment changes
like freezing to death in the snow biome, or burning in hell
winged elk
There should be only either rage or adrenaline(either one) in revengeance, then the other as well in death mode
hollow shell
Why?
winged elk
Hol up im tryna think
hollow shell
The reason should come first, you know
hollow shell
To make Death easier?
winged elk
Actually, death mode would be the same
But revengeance would only retain either rage or adrenaline
hollow shell
We just got rid of the buffed Deathmode damages of Rage and Adrenaline, so they're now equal in power to Rev
I don't think we're going to implement a different change which follows the same concept as we had before
winged elk
Oh ok
hollow shell
lost agate
Also thats a nerf to rev 
mighty knot
Make Determination Breaker (and any other difficulty modifiers that aren't already) a Toggleable Item instead of an Accessory
If I want to add an extra challenge to my run, it would be nice if I didn't have to waste a valuable accessory slot on the item that causes this challenge. This is, of course, even more valuable with higher difficulties. I don't see Determination Breaker being used a lot, and I think that's probably the main reason.
hollow shell
That's been suggested before, but a long time ago
So you're free to suggest it again
(weirdly enough, Fabsol rejected the idea in the past and was even confused as to why the suggestion was a thing
which is weird to me cuz I feel like the reasoning is quite clear)
(He may have been confused with what that past suggestion meant, maybe)
sand umbra
DT Breaker, to me at least, seems largely redundant/irrelevant to most people's idea of a "challenge"
especially in the face of the upcoming upgrades to Death Mode
(but if there are people that use it, I'm all for it becoming a toggleable like the rest of the existing difficulty items rather than a post-Papyrus equipable; honestly why is it even progression-locked if its only purpose is to add challenge)
distant gyro
DTB is just a large sans reference
keen geyser
its existence is for no reason but to be a reference
sand umbra
mfw people harp on me for making a gazillion Gungeon references that also exist to be actual items/mechanics, but an Undertale reference that only exists to be one is fine
wooden wedge
sanS
sand umbra
what do you mean these two things are nothing alike, they are clearly the same situation in any and every capacity
honestly I just don't really see the point of DT Breaker at all
there isn't really a point to it, especially in the face of things such as Armageddon, Defiled Rune, and the buffed post-ML events
keen geyser
it's for sorta offtopic stuff but not
hallow hatch
I see
hollow shell
Yeah pretty much
It's kinda like putting stuff in parenthesis
keen geyser
or at least that's how I use the strikethrough
or when I'm putting myself into a conversation that has already been going on
sand umbra
so like
would anyone be opposed to a sugg that potentially has DT Breaker become something more unique/usable
keen geyser
I'd be down
sand umbra
rather than just "lol fuck yo immunity frames"
hollow shell
iirc it was to prevent a cheese
keen geyser
but why activate it in the first place
hallow hatch
challenge
distant gyro
DTB is LUL on opposite day. Both are reference items existing as reference items and they do random stuff.
radiant meadow
Saving and exiting resets silva revive
But I may consider making the nurse refresh it
loud steeple
i like the silva suggestion but i think it shouldnt reset for hardcore
imo those revival things should be a one use type thing in hardcore
ashen warren
hardcore
fervent citrus
hardcore
hexed lagoon
harcore
radiant meadow
Let's not start a chain, thank you
left crest
tbh imo if youre gonna play hardcore godslayer is a lot more useful
hexed lagoon
Auric tesla has both
left crest
exactly
that combined with the fact that silva only is slightly better than godslayer in other ways
austere lion
logging out and logging in the game will recharge it instantly
hollow idol
@bold plume but why tho
bold plume
why not
hollow idol
“Add ocram”
why?
why not
bold plume
it could add to the lore and you feeling better as the main character of the game imo
bold plume
i've always thought about it while farming cell canisters
hollow shell
You need to add reasoning to your suggestion, edit it in
Reason is the most important part of a suggestion
hollow idol
I sincerely doubt it will be added, but if you want something like that, the Calamity dimensions mod adds a plague biome you can spread and cure
versed tundra
The only somewhat valid reason would be "because the monsters are harder and annoying", but that's the whole point
bold plume
ok i did so
void kelp
doesn’t the PBG drop let you get immunity to plague debuff?
hollow idol
they want to make a spreadable biome type thingy
bold plume
yes but i just feel bad seeing the monsters sick
versed tundra
The other thing annoying about the plague is the random spawn of the miniboss
void kelp
the most I can think of that you could probably implement is like. a potion or whatever that’ll let you be immune to plague w/o the specific accessory
hollow shell
That's not what he means, spider
void kelp
ohh
bold plume
yes
hollow idol
vanilla lore says a decent amount of enemies are infected by the corruption anyways
bold plume
yes but you can cleanse the corruption, can't you?
hollow idol
so saving them from the plague is kinda
bold plume
even though i hate the giant tortoise i feel bad for it
void kelp
but part of the gameplay use for cleaning corruption is to basically make it not destroy your world/towns
plague doesn’t do that to the jungle
hollow idol
also iirc plague expansion is coming, wether it makes blocks convert is unknown to the public
bold plume
ok well that's just a suggestion i have if you guys dont like it dont put a star on it then 😐
bold plume
^
void kelp
i don’t mean it as an insult at all to say that a suggestion doesn’t make much sense to me
bold plume
me neither i just wanted to suggest
tepid root
queen delta
Dont just suggest for the sake of suggesting
hollow idol
hollow shell
Cool
bold plume
ok well it's my first time suggesting
hollow idol
sugs generally need a good reason
hollow shell
m
The main character thing I think is decent enough
You could add the fact that the Corruption, Crimson, and Astral Infection are curable (although they are more physical than the plague, the concept's still there)
Good, nice
bold plume
they're bosses
wdym they can't be clentaminated neither can corruption or crimson enemies
radiant meadow
The plague is just enemies
bold plume
yes i know
lost agate
Yes what else would you cleanse
bold plume
idk man i dont wanna argue about a stupid suggestion
lost agate
radiant meadow
then why did you suggest it
Suggestions are supposed to help improve the mod and this seems pointless
bold plume
ok i get it do u want me to delete the suggestion
lost agate
It seems like it was brought from the future as if plague was a biome
hollow idol
they wanted to clentaminate enemies yeah
hollow idol
he said he wanted to unplague turtles so 
granite owl
Just cleanse jungle
hollow shell
@ashen warren Why an option?
Why not just suggest that they shouldn't glow
The glow isn't exactly a useful resource that people would wanna keep
versed tundra
I like glowing weapons
hollow shell
(It'd be really awkward having a config or something somewhere just for that one weapon)
Also
the right click is the way that it is for a reason
To be the non-lag option
Left-click bein the lag option
swift bison
i still don't entirely understand why shredder is so laggy for some people.
even on my old potato PC (and it really was a potato) it was no more laggy then weapons like heavenly gale and alpha ray.
For the most part, afterimage drawing (which is what the shredder uses for its projectile glow effect) doesn't create much lag from my own experience, even when used excessively
ashen warren
I mean.. just get a better laptop or PC.
versed tundra
that's not a solution for some
ashen warren
I get that
tired haven
Maybe it's easier to reach critical point for shredder to lag
Also it's certainly not a solution to upgrade setup because 1) barely no one can afford that and 2) lots of stuff that lags, lags due to engine limitations and does so even on top configs
swift bison
can you explain what you mean by "easier to reach critical point for shredder to lag"?
i don't understand
tired haven
Like, gather more bullets for the game to start lagging
versed tundra
"optimise shredder, it's laggy" would suffice then?
tired haven
Gale and ray have more-less same amount of projectiles at all times
Shredder bullets can vary
Try flying to the side at full speed and shooting shredder in the direction of move
swift bison
so what you mean is that when gale and alpha ray lag, they lag as much as the shredder does, but they don't lag as often as shredder?
versed tundra
tired haven
I mean that:
if gale and ray lag, they will do so almost always
Shredder can spike the lag, thus being more common to occur for players
swift bison
ah
night cradle
There already is a good way to find shrines
These being spelunker, metal detector
You shouldn't really have an even easier way to find the shrines since they are supposed to be hard to find
and metal detector also detects special chests nearby
still cliff
Or we could just put torches in the shrines
safe sail
i mean like a treasure hunt map type thing
still cliff
They could be generated to have*
hollow idol
doesnt sound nice to code ngl
lost agate
since they are supposed to be hard to find
hexed lagoon
Or we could not
still cliff
I mean..
Like the jungle ones
hexed lagoon
Right
hollow idol
also are all shrines guaranteed now
still cliff
That have light and they are easy to detect
safe sail
i think so
ruby cobalt
if worldgen doesn't do an oopsie yes
safe sail
unless something bugs
though in my experiences mushroom shrine doesnt generate like half the time
still cliff
They are generally generated in the glowing mushroom biome which is a spacious area
Which makes them easy to detect
But again with a spelunker potion it's easy as well
low salmon
Like how we have boss checklist coming up in the next update, is there any talk about compatiblity with AchievementLib?
sand umbra
@vocal grotto vibe check engaged
you can explain this better than I can, methinks
inb4 I die because modping
vocal grotto
I'm not bringing that nonsense in main.
low salmon
Well alright, I personally didn't know of anything wrong. Was just suggesting.
sand umbra
in other news
opal basalt
someone join casual vxc
sand umbra
Something small, something new, something something...suggestion!:
Make Hellbats and Lava Bats inflict On Fire! on contact. In all difficulties.
❔
They're Underworld enemies that are decidedly fire-based.
...yeah I can't really make this any simpler than it already is.
low salmon
Death mode only. 
sand umbra
No.
low salmon
Well Rev+
sand umbra
No.
low salmon
Yes.
low salmon
I'm personally down for Rev+ on that suggestion, since Normal/Expert should be mostly untouched in my opinion. :s
lost agate
2 seconds ago
low salmon
Would irritate the newbies now they have to deal with bat flame.
sand umbra
okay so an Underworld enemy that is decidedly fire-based and is in an environment that is extremely hot to the point where realistically it should burn you but it doesn't lel
should only inflict the lowest-tier fire debuff in Rev+
is that what you're trying to tell me?
low salmon
Yes.
If anything
I forget what the stronger version is, should be Death mode, on fire in rev.
sand umbra
how in df does that make sense
lost agate
Make it arma only, no balls
low salmon
All bats count as bosses. 
lost agate
I should probably stop the mems
teal ibex
i think it should be expert+
even in vanilla small annoyances like that are kept out of normal a lot
low salmon
Anything that effects the vanilla mobs should really only appear in Rev unless it's something essential.
teal ibex
even if it is just on fire LOL
sand umbra
sand umbra
I mean tbf Sun Bats already universally inflict Holy Flames
teal ibex
Make ducks inflict Godslayer Inferno in Normal Mode+
they are too power
sand umbra
in all difficulties
they're a start of Hardmode enemy, mind you
sand umbra
yeah I can agree with it being Expert+
since Normal is generally agreed to be a very casual mode compared to the other three
low salmon
I know for a fact, a few of my friends would rq in normal mode if that was a thing.
They picky.
teal ibex
excuse me. normal mode is only for the FASTEST of diehard gamers. i am personally offended
teal ibex
ye
low salmon
Okay.
sand umbra
bonus points: I now realize this also helps to separate Expert from Normal a bit more
which I wholeheartedly support
anywho, Hellbats and Lava Bats inflicting On Fire! in Expert+
any further objections?
low salmon
I personally think they should inflict more dangerous flamey debuffs the farther into the game you are. Tbh.
but thats more a add-on to your suggestion.
lost agate
God please dont make this an expert slime situation 
low salmon
Expert Slime?
safe sail
wait hellbats and lava slimes didnt do that normally?
lost agate
They scale up in hardmode and theyre more durable and hit harder than fucken all the actual hardmode enemies
safe sail
i coulda sworn they did fire
teal ibex
i think thats unanimously disliked shucks LOL
also, did you know: lava slimes dont drop lava in normal mode
teal ibex
this is apparently a crazy revelation for a lotta peeps
sand umbra
and not the actual liquid
lost agate
Its like "so why did you buff slimes to be stronger than even the enemies that normally spawn in hardmode"
"Yes"
low salmon
When a mob is jumping, they can't do anything else right?
lost agate
Great sand shark can 
low salmon
Well.
You can counter the open door fighter ai with the bit in front of the door.
I was wondering if they could get a chance when they jump to pop the door. 
sand umbra
HM enemy scaling is actually dumb 
gusty geode
I thought they already inflicted On Fire
sand umbra
they don't...unless Calamity already changes this and I'm not aware
doesn't seem like it
it is time to vibe
versed mica
HM scaling is absolute shit
sand umbra
wholeheartedly agreed
versed mica
Slimes should not do an absurd amount of damage in mid hm because “you are supposed to be stronger”
sand umbra
personally I'd like to see it more be based around what enemies can do as the game progresses
old enemies gain a debuff or a new trick, some enemies are buffed upon defeating a certain boss, etc.
versed mica
I’d like to not get memed on by MP and scaling at the same time so I get hit for 70 by blue slimes
sand umbra
I follow this sort of philosophy for difficulty modes too
versed mica
Ruined more than a few boss fights
sand umbra
when I think about Expert+, I think not about how much damage something does, but what it can do that actually makes it more challenging
versed mica
I would love more challenging, and not master mode for regular mobs deluxe
sand umbra
Hellbats being able to inflict On Fire! is a small but workable way to just make Expert a bit more full and fleshed out
it's a minor change, but it does set the stage for other things and it's thematically appropriate
similarly, Lava Bats being able to do it in all difficulties is sort of a "you got this far in the game, let's see how you handle enemies that actually deserve more diverse/powerful attacks"
it follows the expectation that you will at the very least have an Obsidian Skull at this point in time --- which you probably should, because you're in Hardmode and have killed a Mech
hallow hatch
Make it rev
hexed lagoon
I didnt even know they didnt inflicted those, i just guessed they would, it makes sense
sand umbra
brb doin' that
208 - Hellbats and Lava Bats in Death now inflict Vulnerability Hex. - ✅
radiant meadow
why death
ashen warren
210 - Red slimes now inflict vulnerability hex ✅
hexed lagoon
211- Green slimes now inflict Oozed with a 120% chance.
radiant meadow
Oozed is kinda yuck though
which Silva armor gives immunity to for whatever reason
radiant meadow
I believe it does
ashen warren
212 - being hit by a green slime permanently reduces max hp by 1 and this is irreversible. - ✅
radiant meadow
okay, y'all can stop with the changelog memes now 
sand umbra
Silva armor gives immunity to every goddamn combat debuff in the universe
versed mica
I just finished one damn it
sand umbra
why? who knows, because late game for all we know
radiant meadow
except vulnerability hex and armor crunch
sand umbra
...the fuck
ancient crow
I still find it funny that all the late game bosses have immunity to basically every debuff except cursed inferno and ichor
sand umbra
Silva armor doesn't grant Armor Crunch, Whispering Death, or Weak Petrification immunities
yet it does grant immunity to things like Dazed which can't even be inflicted on the player normally
radiant meadow
weak petrification makes sense since its a ravager exclusive movement inhibitor
sand umbra
I mean yeah that one makes sense sorta
radiant meadow
same with stuff like extreme gravity, icarus' folly, and warped
sand umbra
...but like
radiant meadow
the only real weird ones are armor crunch and whispering death
especially armor crunch
sand umbra
by the time you're getting Silva armor, you are well past the point where Armor Crunch or Whispering Death are relevant to you
radiant meadow
whispering death in boss rush finale
sand umbra
Whispering Death perhaps a bit less so because BR meme
lost agate
For now
radiant meadow
I did ask about armor crunch when it was first introduced and Fab said it was intentional
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sand umbra
Armor Crunch is weird
it's just a beefier Broken Armor...that is inflicted on the player by a whopping 1 enemy
radiant meadow
perhaps to prevent margarita memes vs golem
queen sail
Which is Golem
Fsr
And like it’s not even a difficulty thing
Golem just has it now
sand umbra
yeah
it's not even a Rev+ thing, if it were then like I could see that
but Armor Crunch is inflicted by Golem in any difficulty and only Golem
lost agate
Well it could be inflicted by earth elemental 
radiant meadow
onoes
queen sail
The only reason I could think that it’s a new Golem thing is that vanilla Golem was intended to inflict Broken Armor or smth but Ankh Shield memes
sand umbra
vanilla Golem doesn't inflict debuffs at all
hexed lagoon
sand umbra
I was getting to that
queen sail
Truly the most dangerous attack
sand umbra
but aside from those fireballs, Golem inflicts no debuffs in vanilla
hexed lagoon
Doesnt the laser also inflict On Fire
queen sail
No
hexed lagoon
Wh
queen sail
Laser does damage
sand umbra
and since you probably have an Ankh Shield by the time you fight Golem in Calamity especially, he's granted the ability to inflict Armor Crunch
frail mantle
fireballs inflict On Fire
queen sail
How about
sand umbra
(...except no other enemy has this debuff, which is strange given the conditions)
hexed lagoon
You're fighting golem bruh 
sand umbra
actually, nothing in the game that I can see grants Armor Crunch immunity
radiant meadow
perhaps I should make armor crunch more relevant
sand umbra
BR Golem inflicts Armor Crunch EX
queen sail
I assume you refer to Oceanic Maul
lost agate
Oceanic wat
hexed lagoon
Negative armor
radiant meadow
maso debuff
lost agate
H
sand umbra
maso Duke debuff
also known as "welcome to the biggest shitfest of all time"
radiant meadow
armor crunch could be inflicted by skellies in the post moon lord dungeon
as well as earth elementals
if it was made more relevant, I may add it to silva immunities
sand umbra
I can get behind this
more enemies inflicting it and a late-game method of gaining immunity
lost agate
Dew it
lost agate
Almost all pre hm enemies become irrelevant on HM, so eh
radiant meadow
dab on you and make them inflict war cleave instead
lost agate
Well except slime cuz fuck u
hexed lagoon
Pocket Mirror 
radiant meadow
perhaps prehardmode enemies inflict war cleave post plant
and post plant skellies inflict armor crunch post moon lord
and of course earth elementals
sand umbra
Earth Elementals inflict both
because they aren't big enough bullies as they are, clearly
radiant meadow
sand umbra
quick ice
Can’t slimes just have their HP cut down to 100 or so in Hardmode rather than being at 200+?
ashen warren
hi
quick ice
Hi?
hollow shell
you're cutting them down
opaque venture
why does WoF drop biome keys? it seems super cheap
removes the fun and grind of getting one normally
hollow shell
Calamity operates under the assumption that grinding is not fun.
foggy plover
like its hard to get anyways using defiled
hollow shell
That's why we add recipes for all the Ankh Shield ingredients.
foggy plover
5% drop rate from everything takes like 2 minutes
opaque venture
thats straight up stupid
hollow shell
Why
foggy plover
they are only mediocre weapons anyways tbh
opaque venture
because you can literally get 20 biome keys if you get lucky with 20 guide voodoo dolls
i know, but biome keys are meant to be rare and a cool thing to get
and the fact the WoF drops them their value plummets to mud block level
lost agate
Thats a bit of a stretch 
radiant meadow
I mean, they're already "No value"
foggy plover
its not just wof that drops biome keys anyways
opaque venture
well, i guess
just feels so damn weird with the WoF dropping them all of a sudden
hollow shell
Indeed
opaque venture
ok, sorry, *corruption and crimson keys
hollow shell
(Actually, I think that's slightly outdated.
I think it's 20% for WoF too)
opaque venture
alrighty
sorry if the suggestion was bad
i was just thrown off track and havent really played terraria seriously in a bit so it really confused me
radiant meadow
hexed lagoon
Just trash them and go grind the keys
opaque venture
@hexed lagoon no motivation if you can get them via wof
removes the fun but i understand that it removes the grind which i think is totally fine and plausible
sand umbra
hollow shell
...
sand umbra
time for ping-pong ditch hours
hollow shell
(I feel like I recall a mod doing something like this)
(May have been Starbound, actually)
ashen warren
Is that suggestion bad
indigo fog
why would i enable a mode that makes grinding significantly more tedious
ashen warren
I would cuz im bored
hollow shell
Making it take longer to grind for materials would make you more bored
sand umbra
because while suggestions to increase grind, to my knowledge, aren't really against the rules
that doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of people would hate a mode like this
versed tundra
This feels like a suggestion for a whole entier mod
sand umbra
grinding for materials for five years is already infuriating
ashen warren
It can be a new challenge mode
sand umbra
versed tundra
I don't think it's up to Calamity to propose that kind of stuff
indigo fog
there is enough challenge modes already
sand umbra
^
ashen warren
😬
indigo fog
and unlike the others, this isnt fun at all
ashen warren
To some it is
indigo fog
how
versed tundra
Grinding isn't the kind of chalenges Calamity is interested in right now, I think
ashen warren
I like wasting time
opaque venture
grinding is what made up classic terraria
sand umbra
you can make a mod that has like a 4/5 chance to return PreNPCLoot false on any mob in like 5 minutes
so
opaque venture
now its more boss fights and what not
versed tundra
Ok, feel free to make your own mod then
lost agate
I mean, that suggestion isnt bad per se, just not that feasible
hollow shell
Yeah it actually would be quite hard in the programming department
rapid pivot
tbh the issue I have with it is that the sole purpose of the mode is to create busywork
hollow shell
It doesn't naturally implore you to explore the world and spend more time in it
It artificially increases the amount of time you need to be in the world to get the same shit
rapid pivot
and quite frankly, I think that if we have to turn on a mode to create pointless busywork for busywork's sake out of sheer boredom, the mod has failed in its purpose
just my opinion
opaque venture
would it be possible to disable autopause for death mode?
hollow shell
That sounds like a bad idea
indigo fog
you can just disable autopause
lost agate
possible? probably, neccesary? no
opaque venture
of course not necessary
lost agate
cuz why would you want to remove the pause button essentially
tired haven
Little spoiler: people hate making the game longer like that, so nobody really would sign up for that
opaque venture
because you could use the pause button to cheese boss fights
or at least thats what i remember doing before
lost agate
its not cheese
hollow shell
It gives you more reaction time I suppose
hollow shell
Although you can still just alt-tab to pause the game
sand umbra
what???????????????
rapid pivot
tbh if you want reaction time, just use the shredder :P
that thing'll basically put the game in bullet time mode
teal ibex
autopause is fundamentally broken
sand umbra
opaque venture
yeah i used to use a trick with the autopause
tired haven
Nurse + autopause is in fact cheese tho
teal ibex
you can use it to abuse every item in the game
lost agate
you would need to react to activate autopause in time rover
teal ibex
however, the amount of flak you'd get for disabling pausing? immeasurable
sand umbra
okay now I'm just annoyed
teal ibex
imagine the swarm in #bugs-read-pins
opaque venture
lol
hollow shell
Or yeah
Do what I did and open up 11 tabs of resource-intensive browser games, then turn off Frame Skip :P
sand umbra
I'm really getting sick of people trying to get every bit of cheese patched out of the game
hexed lagoon
I dont understand the suggestion
sand umbra
because a lot of suggestions I've seen over the weeks/months have been about their own lactose intolerance
opaque venture
huh
worthy raptor
if you think about it, complaining about people wanting all cheese removed is the same thing as the people who are complaining about the cheese existing in the first place 
sand umbra
I mean yeah
tired haven
Btw to clarify, I don't really want pause being fixed: I merely state it's cheese
sand umbra
but at the end of the day, it's like
hallow kraken
Wouldn’t this be the same level as suggesting to add anti ks rope cheese before the crown jewel was added?
worthy raptor
people like what they like, whether or not you agree or disagree with it people will most likely voice their opinions since merely bringing it up is harmless
opaque venture
obviously some things with it were patched but i just thought it'd be a fun little tweak because of its possibilities
worthy raptor
and if a LOT of people agree and the idea is feasible that at least lets the devs know that something could be done to improve the experience for some, hopefully in a way that doesn't lessen it for others
and even if someone has a suggestion that people deem as bad, it at least spawns discussion
lost agate
removing the pause button would make it more stressful for a lot of people probably
cuz you cant take a break unless you tab out
hollow shell
(and it still wouldn't fully remove the pause button)
yeah if you remove the tab-pausing then everybody is pissed
sand umbra
my thing is just
why do people care so much about "cheese" in a game that is literally riddled with it
Terraria is a sandbox game, whether Calamity exists or not, and it's also not exactly one that is meant to be taken 100% seriously
hollow shell
It's annoying
opaque venture
or maybe you could add it into something like a defiled ruin just as a small concept
sand umbra
that's just my two cents on what I mentioned earlier though and I figure the people bringing it up have what they feel is good reasoning as well
so /shrug
opaque venture
no no i love cheese in games it makes them fun and unpredictable
but if its easily abusable and can be used efficiently anywhere if needed
then it kind of makes the game more predictable and you can use it to your advantage
worthy raptor
that implies everyone would abuse that though
hollow shell
Well that's your own fault for doing it :P
worthy raptor
there are people who would just, never use it
hollow shell
You experienced a hollow victory. You gained nothing and learned nothing
sand umbra
you cheated not only the game, but yourself
worthy raptor
either because they don't like it breaking flow or they don't like the cheese aspect, either way some people don't like it while others would
opaque venture
i agree
but of course it still is used for purposes of making the game easier
obviously not a 100%
lost agate
if you want me to be direct, i only use it to go pee
hollow shell
(The only reason I opened up a billion browser tabs to lag the game was cuz it was Rev ML, and it takes forever to refight him
I was at the end of my honor-rope (died like 10 times beforehand) and just wanted to continue playin the game)
opaque venture
oh, fair
thanks for clearing me up on that too
honestly i threw myself in here without much recent prehand terraria knowledge
but ill keep that to mind
hexed ore
Ok, hear me out
keen geyser
isn't this just about as difficult to code in as a new class
hexed ore
Luxor's Gift + || Gleaming Dagger || immuntiy frames rule each other out and it only counts for one of them, and it's pretty annoying
keen geyser
i mean
hollow shell
That's kinda the balance of Luxor's Gift, honestly
If all its projectiles had unique i-frames it'd be incredibly OP
radiant meadow
luxor's gift uses local i frames pretty sure
hollow shell
Not sure how possible that is to execute
radiant meadow
if anything, the weapon overrides Luxors'
hollow shell
Oh yeah would you look at that lmao
zenith hazel
why do you need to spoiler tag the daggers?
hollow shell
Luxor rogue does use local iframes
hexed ore
I didn't know if it was past the spoiler period or not
hollow shell
They've been out a while
radiant meadow
it's well past the spoiler period
zenith hazel
it's been like a month at this point
hollow shell
it's fine
radiant meadow
byeah, luxor's doesn't interfere
the weapon interferes with Luxor's, not the other way around
distant gyro
luxor kinda capitalize on working with specific things
queen delta
I feel like the increased grinding mode would be better off as a standalone mod
@ fargo
tepid root
sand umbra
queen sail
NEW RELEASE - Fargo’s Grinding+
-All enemies with drops have a 1/2 chance to drop nothing
wide flicker
potent veldt
Actually, I'll post it here first
hallow kraken
But this is calamity lore
small talon
its a cool idea, but if the rocks were placed in the sea, they would have to stretch a ways upward
potent veldt
I kind of want Siren's spawn conditions to be more locked, but that literally is only because I hate that you can summon Duke Fishron and in the middle of the fight accidentally summon Siren from some sneaky "???" that you didn't know was hiding
keen geyser
i'm just gonna shut up idk what's going on with me rn
potent veldt
Change Yharon's lore item to be written by him, not Yharim
Why?: Alright, hear me out.
Yharon and Yharim have a very extensive history with each other, literally to the point where the dragon has basically acted as Yharim's part-time therapist at some points in his life. And as RoarOfTheJungleDragon clearly states, in Yharon's final moments when he knows he's most likely doomed, which is why he supposedly sings that entire song to begin with; as a final warning to Yharim.
However, under the conditions that Yharim would be clearly devastated by Yharon's death, I really think that it'd be a much better touch for Yharim to simply not say anything to you at all after you kill his best friend. It makes more sense psychologically, and is a much more subtle touch to how much you hurt Yharim, instead of him basically texting you "Hey come kill me so I don't have to live without Yharon anymore pls" through an otherwise potentially-heavy lore item. I also just don't think Yharim is that forward; I think he'd be just stunned into silence, at least.
As for what it should be, I also think it'd be an easy opportunity for Yharon himself to put something into that lore item, since RoarOfTheJungleDragon shows ||probably|| that Yharon does have the ability to speak. Even make it a last-ditch effort at telling his master to run from the player, or a final note to how much they've been through and how Yharim should live on without him or something.
hollow idol
RotJD is a fan interpretation
keen geyser
^
hollow idol
the lyrics
rain estuary
Nice, you put it in the wrong channel too
rain estuary
wh
keen geyser
you post your sugmas here to discuss
potent veldt
There's another person who hasn't read the pins lol
potent veldt
Also, I'm only using RotJD as a footnote for reasoning
The lore itself still has basis for change, since Yharim himself still kinda plainly says "Well, shit, I hope I die now"
Even if it's still emotional in some way, it's still tonally off
hollow idol
yharon lore is yharim saying "id be sad if yharon died but he can respawn so lol"
not that he hopes he dies
potent veldt
I
Really am not sure about that, unless some dev said that
Since Yharim throws in at the end of the lore item "It is a world I'll never have to see, for better or for worse
hollow idol
"I would not be able to bear a world without my faithful companion by my side.
Fortunately, fate will have it so that it is a world that I shall never have to see, for better or for worse."
potent veldt
Yharon respawning should be a for better thing no matter what, so if that's what that lore item is hinting at, then that's really weird
hollow idol
Devs confirmed Yharon can respawn as long as Yharim is alive
hollow shell
Having "Fortunately" and "for better or for worse" in the same sentence is somewhat strange
potent veldt
^^^
I always thought it was Yharon coming to terms with dying, because of how lamentful it's worded
hollow shell
I guess the lore item is trying to say that maybe he deserves to have Yharon taken from him
He's happy that he will never see Yharon die, but he thinks he shouldn't be happy
hollow shell
m
potent veldt
Since, it feels extremely obvious what it's about
keen geyser
i mean it was just dokuro doing his own interpretation on yharon and yharim's relationship
sand umbra
RotJD being a fan interpretation is pretty strange when it's the literal theme of phase 2
lyrics and all
so like
keen geyser
but yeah
sand umbra
hollow shell
(I don't think we'd reject anything he wrote on the grounds of slightly faulty lore execution)
hollow idol
Tbf if someone put hours into a song including lyrics i wouldnt reject it
keen geyser
especially not lyrics that flow THAT well
gusty geode
Wasn't there an instrumental version that he made so the song could come without lyrics if need be
potent veldt
I mean, if I'm being honest, the lore of "Yharon is immortal because Yharim said so" makes RotJD seem really anticlimactic
hollow idol
dok didnt know that probably
hollow shell
I didn't know that
sand umbra
~~I mean I was gonna lead into why the idea that RotJD is a fan interpretation was an argument that was used before
but okay~~
hollow idol
he assumed yharon died
potent veldt
What dev said this lore, if I may ask
hollow shell
RotJD was written prior to the lore item, iirc
sand umbra
I'm gonna yeet outta here now before I make myself look dumber
potent veldt
I believe that a dev said that the lore is true, but I also lowkey feel like that lore is... Outdated?
keen geyser
i remember listening to the song before lorei tems were a thing
potent veldt
It feels incorrect in some way
radiant meadow
Mrrp plans to rewrite a lot of the lore
potent veldt
Because even the lore itself doesn't make total sense. Why would Yharon be immortal because Yharim is alive?
hollow shell
Holy shit RotJD was posted in May 2018?
God damn it time flies fast
What am I doing with my life
potent veldt
Being cool
Also, that lore eliminates the entire logic of fighting Yharon to begin with
If that's the lore, fight Yharim first
Not Yharon
hollow shell
Because Yharon is weaker than Yharim and has Auric Ore in his belly
potent veldt
Fair
But why even bother getting Auric at that point
Just sequence break and klep Yharim's shit
radiant meadow
well, yharim doesn't exist yet
hollow shell
I'd love to see some game manage to write sequence breaking into its lore
radiant meadow
so gonna be hard to do that
potent veldt
When he comes out, I mean
Also, it feels even more outdated given that it implies heavily that Yharon will be only fightable once
The instant you kill him, he's gone, which would make sense, but
Idk if that would be a thing
hollow shell
The old old plan for Yharim as an NPC was that he would show up post-ML, and leave in anger/despair once Yharon is killed
If that's still the plan (which I doubt it is but still), then the lore item would probably be rewritten once he comes around
potent veldt
That would be a fun idea
Wouldn't make total sense with the lore as it stands now tho
swift wadi
Why would Yharim come help the player what
potent veldt
"Oh hey, you're that dude that wants to kill me and my buds, cool"
quick ice
he wouldn't go to help the player most likely, but more of just to watch their progress
keen geyser
to gather information so he can prep his allies
hollow shell
Cuz Yharim doesn't really rule anything anymore
The shit in the lore and his army all happened like 1000 years ago
swift wadi
Yharim the tsundere NPC
hollow shell
Right, yeah
quick ice
yeah, isn't Yharim just watching you grow in power so he can have a 1v1 with you since he hasn't had anything to challenge in centuries
potent veldt
That was the main basis for why Yharim doesn't just spawnkill the player day one, is that he's depressed from being so damn powerful and just lets the player have a chance
Or at least I thought
hollow shell
The plot about how Yharim is empowering the player as a complicated and drawn out method of resolving his past mistakes, including himself
The most roundabout suicide ever
quick ice
wait I thought that when we fight Yharim, he doesn't actually die
potent veldt
He should
sand umbra
he should
swift wadi
If Yharim becomes an NPC he should give the player lore items shouldn't he?
sand umbra
but he won't because he's Yharim
hollow shell
There was also an old plan that Yharim would be too powerful to kill, and would only let you win by using 1% of his power™️
but that was before Xeroc was proposed
potent veldt
Please give me my dream of Yharim becoming buds with the Terrarian after being beaten, and so he moves in as an NPC and tells you old stories of his past
sand umbra
...but also he absolutely should because it'd make the fight actually climactic and a fitting conclusion for a mod that already tends to focus itself on insane power curves and mega-powerful beings that the player can just lol all over
hollow shell
Yharim rules the world and survives for thousands of years, then gets killed when the Nurse gives him the wrong syringe and he has an allergic reaction
potent veldt
Canon is that Yharim is deathly allergic to bees
Which is why he had to tame them all
potent veldt
And he dies because he forgets his epipen for the fight
swift wadi
What would Yharim do if he didn't die
hollow shell
Burning Sky = Kirambulance
potent veldt
QB joins the party and Yharim's like 
hollow shell
anyway what the fuck were we talking about
potent veldt
Yharim dying or not
swift wadi
Hear me out here, Xeroc fight will be Xeroc testing you and not fighting you himself, that's what's planned right?
hollow shell
what suggestion
potent veldt
Oh, me proposing that Yharon's lore item be changed
To be written by Yharon, and not Yharim
radiant meadow
~~my suggestion to transfer yourself to #lore-discussion ~~
sand umbra
this all came from a suggestion posted in here for discussion
swift wadi
fair enough
split narwhal
What has this conversation become
hollow shell
I just feel like communicating that Yharon is the one writing the item would be difficult
potent veldt
Calamity 
hollow shell
May accidentally give off the impression that Yharon wrote all the items
which would be confusing
potent veldt
It wouldn't be hard, tbh
Literally just writing "master" anywhere in it would give it away for that lore
split narwhal
Can dragons even write?
hollow shell
" "blahblahblah"
~ Yharon"
would be very clunky
potent veldt
Fair
hollow shell
also that Master thing would make it seem like Yharim serves somebody
vocal grotto
Unless magic is involved, or he gets paint on his claw and uses it on a tablet, I doubt Yharon could write
potent veldt
That's also pretty fair
cobalt rose
" 'Growling noise'
-Yharon"
potent veldt
"roar owo" is the text
split narwhal
yharon lore is the lyrics for yharon' roar
cobalt rose
at 800% volume
swift wadi
What if it was re-written to be a quote that Yharon said to Yharim, maybe one about if he dies in the future or smth
Just an idea
potent veldt
^^^ That'd probably be the only good way to do it
If it were to be changed
Or just, any lyric from RotJD
hollow shell
Literally
" "If you proceed, I will not blame you;
I will move forth and win your war.
But if I should die before you continue,
You shall have heard my final dying roar."
~ Roar of the Jungle Dragon "
go full Hollow Knight
potent veldt
Hell yeah
split narwhal
Is yharon able to talk or not?
potent veldt
I'd honestly rather it be just "This is a fight you can not win."
hollow shell
(I wouldn't, cuz that could seem like it's directed at the player)
cobalt rose
i'd say he makes beastly noises that others are able to translate into language
potent veldt
He speaks telepathically, using that past-BoC-illusion psychic energy
swift wadi
Just make him drop 2 lore items, one being a quote from Yharon and the other one by Yharim
vocal grotto
Eagle Noises and regular lore
byeah
swift wadi
I mean, it's not cannon but, considering what he's done before, couldn't Draedon just make a translator for Yharon so he can speak to Yharim
hollow shell
A second lore item could work
cobalt rose
i'm just imagining Yharon wearing that translator the one monkey from Cloudy with a chance of Meatballs wears
swift wadi
Here's an idea that could be cool, if Yharim is an NPC.
He could have quotes for every boss you kill, being either impressed or not very surprised when you kill some bosses, considering quite a few of the things you fight post ML he has a history with he has a history with most bosses though iirc, which would be a cool mechanic alone, but what if after you kill Yharon he moves out instantly, and he leaves behind the lore item that has his perspective on Yharon dying, obviously being too upset to continue giving the player them himself
He could have 2 lore items, one being like "Yharim, Tyrant of the Jungle" i think that's his title and another with a bit of a less "serious" name
quick ice
would the less serious name be "Yharim, Lorde of the Jungle"
hollow shell
Yharon could drop Yharim's item, and vice versa..
quick ice
that'd be interesting, considering both are considered to be the only family that the other has
hollow shell
Yharim wouldn't be writing about himself
so it shows you Yharon's perspective
swift wadi
One cooler idea is him staying in your town, but once news gets around that you killed Yharon/You tell him he goes into shock, and after you kill another boss you see every single NPC you have die in chat as he goes on a rampage before leaving, this could also be the setup for an event-esque beginning to his fight, but it would be absolute ass to play and have everyone die
hollow shell
Nah Yharim doesn't really seem like the type that would throw a murder-fit
keen geyser
he's too strategic
hollow shell
Yharon's death would likely be met with a long sigh and holding his face with his hands
keen geyser
"I guess you leave me no choice, Terrarian"
quick ice
can't Yharon just get resurrected though since he's a Phoenix-Dragon
quick ice
ignore that I'm tired
swift wadi
Lol
hexed ore
If you've died to King Slime he would say the first line of Slimes lore item and then "...wait, don't tell me..."
swift bison
Yharim revivies yharon with soul magic iirc
civic pond
magic magic
swift bison
i actually think soul magic is the main source of yharim's ungodly power overall
swift wadi
He's also lucky as fuck iirc
minus like
The family murdering
And that stuff
BUT OTHER THAN THAT HE'S PRETTY LUCKY IIRC
civic pond
pffffft
swift wadi
Star'd because I didn't even know Calamity added bait
tired haven
swift wadi
Fr though I always felt like fishing gear was basically maxed out at skeletron and it is a bit weird, it basically just feels like the merchant doing all the work for you, because i'd consider getting the bait and fishing gear like, more work than fishing
Not that hard when you have infinite bait and fishing accs/pots
tired haven
Yeah, it becomes a bit less fun since you just buy 200+ baits and never come to that part of fishing again
Catching worms/bugs/flies and sorting them during fishing is the better feeling
Though of course sellable bait should stay to let players kickstart in case they skipped fishing for a long time
swift wadi
Anything that isn't removing bait from the equation
I'd say post a HM boss like Siren or something, so that players can't just use the sold bait for HM ore/bars and Souls
Make them work for it a bit more
teal ibex
yo time to chain suggestion
sand umbra
hec nO-
swift wadi
HeC whY
Also while you're here, off topic but I watched your video on the Terraria randomizer and laughed my ass off the whole time, been wanting to tell you, good work on that
cobalt rose
Suggestion: add a new bait, the Ultra Bait
This bait has 999% bait power and can fish up exclusive unlocks
Reason: its better than master baiting lole
teal ibex
Make baits caught from fishing -- such as the jellyfish and Twinkler -- be stronger as options for bait.
What's the point of using bait to catch bait that might just be worse than bait that you can get or have already gotten. Maybe it's just me but it honestly feels like the equivalent of lines snapping when I catch these things???
the randomizer video is going ballistic and being tossed everywhere by the algorithm LOL. i'm glad u like it and i'll be doing a calamity randomizer saturday
swift wadi
~~Stream? Ping me? ~~
keen geyser
:O
teal ibex
it's not actually a chain i'm just goofing
i can LEGALLY post this without repercussions
keen geyser
maybe make jellyfish guarantee a specific fishing drop?
teal ibex
HAHAHA 
i'd rather a simpler solution than that personally
specific drops seem sick but also a little weird
teal ibex
excuse me that's lewd
swift wadi
smh
teal ibex
this is not #general-talk
swift wadi
Banned
teal ibex
time to be banned
tired haven
Well, not necessarily a guarantee, but maybe a higher chance
Sort of luxury option
maybe make jellyfish guarantee a specific fishing drop?
that's what I refer to
keen geyser
that'd be sick
teal ibex
i'll add it as an alternative
tired haven
i'd have imagined an accessory crafted out of these jellies but no one will forgive me cuz it's insane grind
keen geyser
30 jellyfish for an accessory
tired haven
Just 1 of each will make half the playerbase go insane
keen geyser
honestly though
tired haven
@teal ibex 
tired haven
Fishing boogaloo, yes
keen geyser
except you can only get it from fishing
teal ibex
hearty yew
gasp, why am i making a suggestion instead of Just Doing It Myself
hearty yew
@hollow shell >:/
swift wadi
this triggers me so much
hearty yew
You told me to do this
hollow shell
I did
swift bison
i was also confused as to why not you just increase the refresh rate on your end :thinkies:
hollow shell
Public approval, baby
unique vector
yes im very confused every time a dev suggests something here instead of in dev
unique vector
@lost agate extends to you specifically
hearty yew
I suggested the wrong thing?
unique vector
and sometimes ben
lost agate
Shush
swift wadi
Lmao
unique vector
hehe
hearty yew
HOW IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE
hollow shell
We were talking about having it drain away instead of disappear instantly
If you can fix the abrupt jumps thing without causing problems then sure just do that, there's no reason not to
hollow shell
Two suggestions in one message?
swift wadi
Banned
hollow shell
That's
bad practice
swift wadi
fuck you he'll just implement it
hearty yew
retardery
hollow shell
Yeah but it involves two separate concepts
One is to make it look less choppy
and one is for fixing an issue with it buggily disappearing during some boss fights
swift wadi
hearty yew
hell: goto hell;
hollow shell
fuck
lost agate
Mood
swift wadi
HE'S CODING ROVER OUT OF EXISTANCE
hearty yew
actually though
i've tied my hands by doing this
because it's bad practice to implement an unapproved suggestion
hearty yew
i've functionally demoted myself to a whitename to suggest something to myself as lead programmer, to implement it
hollow shell
Just delete it smh
Suggest the other thing already
hearty yew
WHAT IS THE OTHER THING
sand umbra
swift wadi
Suggest the other thing as-well
hearty yew
Suggesting a bug fix?
I don't suggest bug fixes
You of all people should know this
I'm saying this suggestion contains a hidden bug fix
Apparently that's a second suggestion
?????
hollow shell
It's not a bug fix necessarily
hearty yew
Yeah, yeah it fucking is
teal ibex
this is incredible
hearty yew
"increase and decrease smoothly in all cases"
do you want me to change it
i guess hiding functionality in a suggestion is confusing
lost agate
hollow shell
Indeed, indeed it is
hearty yew
the moderator team is always allowed to tell us to break up our fight
