mrpp pls
#suggestions-discussion
distant gyro
radiant meadow
that was another reason he wanted to give pets a function
sand umbra
I swear to god
split narwhal
The only pet that actually does something in vanilla is companion cube which just stabs you
wide flicker
Fine, silva crystal furniture buffs you in an area
radiant meadow
@sinful violet I hope you know what you have caused
Rover is devolving
sand umbra
and I must scream
carmine island
It's fun to watch people have a conversation about the hermits box that spirals out of control
wide flicker
Please save this crashing ship
sand umbra
this god-forsaken box is going to send us all down a rabbit hole from which there is no return
sinful violet
Or you could just realize it doesn’t really have a massive effect on gameplay and people could not throw fits in the chat 
swift wadi
I like the sage i think he's cute
wide flicker
I want to use the fox drive
swift wadi
Add another pet slot
wide flicker
But the box is superior in every way
radiant meadow
actually, can I make full health a config
thick arch
does anyone else feel like Skeletron Prime's phase where he spins in a large circle spawning drones should be much less frequent? Its very difficult to damage him during it and you have to focus on the drones before they overwhelm you, by the time they are dead you got 2 or 3 seconds before he's doing it again. combined with his insane defense it makes the fight far too long
sand umbra
,
I forgot configs existed for like 2 minutes there
swift wadi
Make the sage have some consumable version that makes every pet do what it does
sand umbra
but the full health respawn becoming a config might actually be the perfect solution
inb4 no
sinful violet
There’s already a mod which can add that capability
radiant meadow
I will have to give sage a different healing function to compensate
hollow shell
I guess full health on respawn wouldn't be a far cry from our global pick speed boost
radiant meadow
something far less controversial
swift wadi
"Use this item to bless your pets with the power of the Third Sage"
sinful violet
Ben that wouldn’t exactly be a solution either 
Any other healing buff would be way worse
hollow shell
Yeah the problem is that it has a function at all
radiant meadow
I mean, I would give other pets something too
hollow shell
please no
sand umbra
no
sinful violet
^
swift wadi
Most full hp spawn mods dont work with the hp calamity gives
fervent zealot
destroy all pet functionality
sinful violet
That sounds like wing lore item etc again
radiant meadow
well, you said that before
swift wadi
They go to 500 max
sinful violet
Because it wasn’t really a good fix
radiant meadow
multiple pets sounds like vanilla meme
distant gyro
abyss light level abuse
hollow shell
@solemn flame Don't mention other people's suggestions in your suggestion.
distant gyro
hollow shell
That's called "chaining"
radiant meadow
like hardcoding
hollow shell
Suggestions should be able to stand on their own
solemn flame
Ok
lost agate
termi i think you forgot smth
solemn flame
Took it down*
sinful violet
Almost said something which I don’t think is out yet
radiant meadow
I still think the full health thing could easily be a config
hollow shell
Anyway
Mrrp I think you gotta recognize there's an issue considering
many people agree it's an issue
sinful violet
Yeah I’m thinking about it.
Though I still don’t agree turning it into a light pet would be an answer either
hollow shell
Alright
radiant meadow
I think we've opened up one too many
wide flicker
One, you mean several
sinful violet
I underestimated how much value people put on vanity ig 
swift wadi
I honestly dont see this as much of an issue, call me dumb but like, use Third Sage or just use Nurse when you respawn, not that big of a deal, or a money waster
radiant meadow
you really did
uhhh, I think you're forgetting something
about the difference between respawning with full health and attempting (and failing) to heal up while 20 pumpkings are up your ass
wide flicker
Also other pet based dedicated items are being slightly undercut to be never used
radiant meadow
it doesn't even have to be buffed lol
sand umbra
actually yeah, scratch the "buffed"
just the seasonal moons in general and the 20 Mourning Woods or Everscreams that camp my NPC hotel
swift wadi
Then just remove third sage's effect and add it to a perma upgrade dropped by like, Cryogen, or is the point that it isn't what Mrrp wants
radiant meadow
Mrrp did want some healing function for third sage
although I don't think he realized the amount of controversy it would cause
sinful violet
That kinda stuff is bs which is really what it was aiming to fix. Most agree full health respawn should’ve been a thing to begin with.
radiant meadow
I can make that happen at any time
sinful violet
Well I picked what’d have been the least controversial
sinful violet
It’s that people want to use other pets which is the issue
solemn flame
Oh dear God what have I started
radiant meadow
like I would want to use the pet dedicated to myself
swift wadi
Why not make it work in the inventory? Maybe even give a buff, although some people might complain "But meh buff slots!"
radiant meadow
rather than your little snake thing
hollow shell
Nah this convo was goin on before you, Megu
radiant meadow
but I also don't want to be at a disadvantage in multiplayer during boss fights
(just an example)
sand umbra
...bit of a longshot, but
normal vanity item thing in the pet slot ft. flying snake
if you have it in your inventory, but not in the pet slot, it grants the full health regen
probably won't happen, just thought I'd give a potential idea
hollow shell
Ehhmmnn
sinful violet
At that point just give it functionality in both inv and pet slot no?
hollow shell
Both would be better in that case, yeah
sand umbra
I mean sure
sand umbra
the point being: it could work from your inventory
which would free up the pet slot if you want the full health respawn, but perhaps wish to use a different actual pet
carmine island
Pet slot for those who want the pet and the buff...
Inventory for who want the buff and other pets
swift wadi
It's 1 slot
hollow shell
I feel like having it be Lore Item-like makes sense
swift wadi
Shouldn't be that big of a deal
radiant meadow
trust me, I have inventory management issues
hollow shell
It's another minor trade-off thing
hollow idol
make it WoF lore because people dont care that much about extended pickip range iirc
sand umbra
believe me, so do I
but at least the box is 1 specific thing 
sinful violet
I never really keep track of lore items anyway
radiant meadow
I can barely find room to take off armor when testing something
sand umbra
rather than like 3 dozen things you rack up over the course of your journey
sinful violet
Lore item functionality is still something I’m a bit unsure about, like cryo’s basically giving you the option of a free slot.
sand umbra
my issue is 20768902769 potions hogging all my inventory space
radiant meadow
I'm thirsty to add stuff to my new config but I will have to quench my thirst another day
swift wadi
What if it was a permanent trigger that happens on WoF's death? Although if you still wanted it to be related to the sage you might confuse people with a message like "You have been blessed by the Third Sage" Or something, because that would make people like "wtf is the third sage"
sand umbra
th i r s te
radiant meadow
a permanent trigger wouldn't be bad
sinful violet
imo that’s a bit much, directly making reference to it in chat
could just eat the box
distant gyro
swift wadi
That works too
radiant meadow
eat the box is fine
sand umbra
c o n s u m e
the box
wide flicker
Eat the box
radiant meadow
should I do that?
distant gyro
consume.
sinful violet
I’m half kidding, it’s a sake box after all.
swift wadi
DRINK THE BOX
radiant meadow
right click to gain a blessing
sand umbra
I still think having it work from inventory would be the best approach, or at least one of the better approaches
hollow shell
I'm still behind the config idea
radiant meadow
I prefer the right click (or config)
hollow shell
though WoF lore change also works
sinful violet
I think given people’s general stance on inv management and how full health respawn should be a thing anyway making it come from the item would be preferable, if not just personally.
swift wadi
@sand umbra writes the sugg and we see what he does
hollow shell
do aulll of them
swift wadi
lol
carmine island
Config for each option?
split narwhal
What about other methods of full health respawning that isn't a pet, just to make it so that you have choices whether to use to pet or something else in your inventory?
sinful violet
Absolutely not a config for each option no
radiant meadow
come from the item as in your inventory?
lost agate
If we make it just consumable we have a snake sprite unused 
radiant meadow
you consume or equip smh
prevent consumption if you've already been blessed
to avoid accidental consumption
lost agate
So you eat the snake and all
wide flicker
Have it activate the blessing, but not consume, and allow it to be used as a pet
lost agate
lost agate
I mean sure
lost agate
Theres a bool for the healing already, you could use that i think
radiant meadow
consume the snake to get blessed
lost agate
No wait you cant
sinful violet
Popo did put a lot of time into that/the box means more to me than just "funny reference" Although it is half a meme ref
radiant meadow
equip the snake to have snake
lost agate
Its used to control when to stop the healing
sinful violet
Drink from box for full health respawn
radiant meadow
I will figure out a way
lost agate
Ya have to make a bool
radiant meadow
but tomorrow because I have to go to bed
lost agate
Aight
sinful violet
Also makes it more of an upgrade than just toggling a config which I wasn't too sure about. Felt like it'd be just a bit more earned that way.
radiant meadow
that's fair
sinful violet
Alright, drink the box it is then
sand umbra
🍸
wide flicker
I really like drink the box
lost agate
Did you make the slider yet?
sinful violet
ingame configs without even having to exit to menu is sex yees
swift wadi
D r i n k b o x
radiant meadow
I made the slider, yes
carmine island
So you use the box as an upgrade for full health respawn but can still equip it for the pet?
Am I understanding this correctly? 
lost agate
Aight
sinful violet
Yeah
radiant meadow
btw
swift wadi
That also keeps it very unique, which I think is a good idea
sinful violet
tbh I hadn't even realized they made the config changes even better since they were in the mod menu
lost agate
So non consumable then
hollow shell
You can either keep the snake as a pet, or consume its essence to attain new power
sinful violet
Yeah shucks
wide flicker
Or kill wall twice for both
sinful violet
Also no rover then we'd have the people who liked the pet on our backs
radiant meadow
oh, so you can't eat the box
hollow shell
Yeah but you can just kill WoF twice
sinful violet
I mostly prefer full health respawn myself but why not just avoid any trouble.
Not like it'd be better to make it so you have to farm a boss for a pet
radiant meadow
I mean, you already have to do that for most other pets
craggy hedge
^
radiant meadow
stuff like fox drive and levi are the exception
hollow shell
ah, didn't realize it was 10% on all other kills
radiant meadow
except those 2 are mode locked
lost agate
Ok but you dont literally eat the pet if you get it
radiant meadow
snakes for dinner guys
swift wadi
Consume Sage
radiant meadow
it's settled
wide flicker
MEat is back on the menu
sand umbra
mood
the Terrarian also believes this is mood
carmine island
I keep seeing people say eat the snekk and I keep thinking
oh god poor snekk
sinful violet
crunch
radiant meadow
reminder that Terrarians drink drugs stimulants and random potions
wide flicker
eat snake
wide flicker
consume noodle
sand umbra
daily reminder that the Terrarian just swallows potions, bottle and all, like it's nothing and somehow gets buffs from them
carmine island
SAD SNEKK
split narwhal
Odd mushroom
hollow idol
shh, eating snek isnt canon, its a game mechanic
sinful violet
Anyhow, that's sorted. Non consumable buff toggle for full health respawn and pet.
swift wadi
I feel bad saying eat snake considering this is an item tributed to two real snakes that passed away
wide flicker
raw bacon from pigs
sinful violet
Let's not overrun suggestons with that anymore.
sinful violet
As a bonus I will post the two real snakes if I can find them in gen talk so people leave this place
radiant meadow
carmine island
No more entertaining debates about a box with a cute snekk
hollow idol
“raw bacon from bigs” smh the vanilla way is from mutated corrupt pigs
swift wadi
Yes i wanna see Rose and Pearl
sand umbra
now it's time for me to go dig up that sugg about Betsy's melee weps gaining Betsy's Curse
the one I was gonna post before the opportunity of making HM Abyss shit specific to Clone struck
radiant meadow
add betsy's curse to aerial bane? my pleasure
sand umbra
no
radiant meadow
okay, then phantasm (and therefore phangasm)
split narwhal
What does betsy's curse do in calamity again?
sand umbra
there will be no Aerial Bane buffs in my presence
sand umbra
Betsy's Curse is pretty stronke, ye
radiant meadow
basically ichor 2.0
sinful violet
Flask of ichor + flying dragon or whatever the betsy melee drop is
I feel like that'd get out of hand
split narwhal
Does it stack with ichor?
radiant meadow
I mean, if it goes bananas, it can be removed in testing
but flying dragon falls flat in calamity's power scale iirc
sand umbra
literally just make Ichor fail if Betsy's Curse exists
radiant meadow
even if pretty good in vanilla
sand umbra
I do not remember either of Betsy's weapon drops ever being good in Calamity's context
sinful violet
Isn't it just like, one
sand umbra
Sky Dragon's Fury is a thing
radiant meadow
iirc sky dragon's fury was a decent meme against AD pre resist
but then resist happened and I forgot about it
especially with grand guardian existing
split narwhal
People mostly just use influx waver instead in vanilla
radiant meadow
flying dragon is nice for tile phasing and fat hitbox
sinful violet
Having to make specific resists is kinda painful
sand umbra
so it should be god for PBG then
sinful violet
Yeah it makes hitting shit a lot easier
also why would sky dragon fury being good for worms make it god for PBG
sand umbra
I was referring to Flying Dragon
sand umbra
in any event, are either of Betsy's melee weapon drops particularly good for their tier? in Calamity's context, specifically
or, more accurately, does their power level justify the shitfest you have to go through to get them
sinful violet
*flying dragon is good for saucer cheese because of tile piercing
sand umbra
so in conclusion: no, except Flying Dragon for one purpose that other weps can probably do a better job of filling
it's them hours again, folks
split narwhal
Most other people chose either influx, flairon, hatchet for melee at this point
sand umbra
Step right up, ladies and gentlemen, it's time for everyone's favorite sugg show: "Let's Make OOA Great Again!"
Now, today's featured concept is Betsy's Curse being able to be inflicted by both of Betsy's melee weapon drops: the Flying Dragon and the Sky Dragon's Fury.
❔
To give the debuff a bit more relevancy for people that are not playing the Mage class, and due to thematical reasoning, it makes sense that the melee pair of Betsy's weapon drops should be able to inflict her exclusive debuff. It'll also make farming her out for class-specific weapons a bit more worthwhile for the playerbase as a whole, really.
this look good and ready to go, or should I change anything like explaining why Aerial Bane wouldn't get this buff despite the reason being obvious
sand umbra
distant gyro
why
sand umbra
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distant gyro
damned forbidden <><>
swift wadi
<><><>
sand umbra
past that, though
do I need to add a sentence explaining why Aerial Bane very much does not need this buff, or is this sugg good to go as it is
split narwhal
ngl the weapons from betsy all are really cool but they aren't that useable (except that one bow)and hard to get so I 100% agree with this
sand umbra
"that one bow" would be Aerial Bane
which is on the complete opposite end of the spectrum 
anywho let's goooooo--
sand umbra
eh, maybe
sinful violet
yeah lets go sleepy octopod buff
sand umbra
I can get behind this
sinful violet
melee stealth strikes
sand umbra
Psycho Knife hours
Psycho Knife should have a dozen different effects when striking from stealth iirc
ashen warren
stealth strikes should be made into a manually charged attack that make u stand still
fervent citrus
worthy fiber
That's what the forum page is for
Though I don't know the last time the credits were updated
raven patio
everyone seems to forget about the frost legion though
still an invasion event that needs love
loud steeple
I totally didn't forget that was a thing.....
green pumice
the problem with legion is that its very luck based
worthy fiber
Does the legion even give you anything?
quick ice
not really, it's just available as part of the Christmas Event
karmic stone
Snow and an NPC that only sells decoration and only lasts less than 1/12 of a year 
worthy fiber
what is this mod?
elder mist
me when hunger mechanic is mentioned but i remember tremor had it but it had massive backlash because it was a shit mechanic
tepid root
survivaria big epic imo
potent veldt
From what I've seen, Survivaria actually looks promising
Unlike Tremor's thrown-in hunger
tepid root
also lole
potent veldt
Which is the only reason I cared to suggest anything about it at all
welp
Should I just remove the sugg then, since it's already being done
potent veldt
Very well
hollow idol
wait sanity? i only heard temperature, durability, radiation, and seasons
tepid root
sanity is basically gonna make you see illusions and other cool shit when its low
tepid root
green pumice
mfw when shadow monsters
hexed lagoon
Odd Mushroom 
fast monolith
Aren't cross-mod things sorta... frowned upon?
worthy fiber
Really low priority stuff
queen sail
Cross mod stuff requires high iq level reasoning as to why it should exist and what gets affected should be relatively minimal
tiny rose
Is this stealing level cross-mod, or referencing level
If two mod authors respect and like eachother, they might just include nods towards the other one, then there is copy paste level without even informing
Thats a nono
distant gyro
what's with phoenix blade
queen sail
No I mean like the first example
Phoenixblade is Yuyutsu’s old name
Spirit also has a brimstone weapon referencing Calamity iirc
hollow shell
I don't think that's what they mean by "cross-mod", Elise
subtle flume
Has making the DoG's body in the first phase visible in the minimap been suggested before?
quartz hare
"cross-mod"? why not if fab will run out of ifeas
tiny rose
@hollow shell sorry, what is the idea behind the word then?
frail mantle
i think he means cross-mod as in shit like SoA Rev+ changes or post-DoG bard weapons
hollow shell
Yeah it doesn't mean taking content from other mods
It means compatibility, expanding on concepts from other mods when playing with both
queen delta
Turn the extra max mana over the hardcap into reduced damage penalty from mana sickness.
(For example, extra mana that didn’t count towards the max mana would reduce the mana sickness damage penalty from 50% to something lower.)
Because of the mana hardcap, there’s no reason to go for max mana builds because once you’re over the hardcap (which is very easy to do), any other builds that give max mana are obsolete. This change should give players a reason to use builds that focus on increasing max mana.
Thoughts?
hollow shell
Why not reduced mana usage so it's a de-facto max mana increase?
keen geyser
reduced damage penalty from mana sickness sounds cooler
hollow shell
Sounds harder to balance
distant gyro
reduced mana usage is a meme on things such as alpha ray
or anything that already has low mana cost in theory but has so little use time that it gets eaten in mere seconds
queen delta
Yeah its mainly for the above reason
Weapons with low mana wouldnt benefit as much from this change
While the mana sickness debuff nerf would almost equally affect all weapons
sand umbra
I don't think you realize how huge of a buff reducing the magic damage cut from Mana Sickness is
hollow shell
Alright
sand umbra
that said, if done right I'm all for it
queen delta
Perhaps ill include reducing mana usage as an alternative
fleet night
am i the only one seeing similarities between the concepts of survivaria and enviromine?
hollow shell
m, hearing "temperature" "hydration" and "sanity"
(Minecraft already had hunger tho)
gusty geode
I'd enjoy that
Still need go try Survivaria
tired haven
Lots of people prefer to avoid mana potions in favor of mana regen potions and then that change does nothing to them
hearty plaza
why use mana potions and suffer mana sickness when you can use mana regen potions and basically regen mana instantly
hallow hatch
2 seconds > instant
placid girder
ok hot take
statigel jump and jump boost effect should be unique
more importantly jump boost as at the time youre gonna be using it youll probably have bundle already so its kinda pointless
radiant meadow
unique double jumps are a pain to program
which is a major reason why statigel does not have a unique jump boost
jump boost being unique should be relatively easy
radiant meadow
it does
tired haven
thonk
radiant meadow
it has the shiny red balloon bool set to true
tired haven
Well guess that's why I didn't notice it 
radiant meadow
names don't carry as much weight as the theming of the song and how it sounds
pure dove
good point
frail mantle
^
pure dove
yea
night cradle
the feeling of the song fits more onto the biomes rather than name
pure dove
good point
hollow idol
when have song names mattered smh
tired haven
Around never, i guess
though some like "A glacier eventually farts" still puts a giggle on my face when entering void in risk of rain 2
what does that have to do with void? nothing
teal ibex
honestly i see what you're saying but i don't think it needs anything new
it should just have more hp first phase and less hp second phase
radiant meadow
make the laser phase through tiles
teal ibex
it's not that hard of an attack when you get used to it, especially with calamity mobility, so it's just a matter of not becoming monotonous over time imo
fierce hedge
P2 is fine
Its a bit of a pickle but once you get used to it you'll never be hit by the laser again
indigo fog
still wish it did more than just spam a single laser that's 2x as strong as ML laser
its first phase is much more interesting
because it does more than just spam a single laser
gusty geode
Guess if we're on the topic
Can the Flying Dutchman get a second phase
Last I checked once you knock out all its cannons it just fucking dies
indigo fog
what else would it do if it doesn't have any cannons to attack with
it would just drop pirates
gusty geode
Maybe it could
Summon waves to attack the player with
Or teleport, since its name is a reference to a ghost pirate
Or at the very least ram the player
indigo fog
ramming the player would be fine
where would it get the waves from
if you are fighting on land
indigo fog
pirates can't control the weather
gusty geode
They also can't make their ships fly so
fierce hedge
Why give Flying dutchman a 2nd ohase
It doesnt even drop anything
Legit. Nothing
Not even money
indigo fog
it should
teal ibex
LOL that's amazing
indigo fog
all other minibosses do
teal ibex
thank you terraria very cool
indigo fog
and event bosses
gusty geode
So
Give it drops too then ig
indigo fog
it drops a trophy right?
night cradle
yeah but it's not as important as its other drops
cutlass, coingun, etc.
indigo fog
I think it should have its own unique drops
rather than having pirates drop everything
the ship is just there as an obstacle
that gives you nothing
There's no point in making Elemental Quiver bow only and then cloning the same accessory for different subclasses
also
hard crescent
Change the stats around
indigo fog
isn't this in the suggestion don'ts
"Subclass-only runs are self-imposed challenges, and Calamity should not cater to them."
yeah, it is
hard crescent
my ban, awaiting ban
frosty dagger
No, this is talking about main classes not having enough accessory paths, or just post ml accessories in general, summoner has many, (statis path) rouge has three, I haven't done melee, but I agree, ranger and mage are lacking a bit in terms of endgame accessories
That was just and example
hard crescent
it was
frosty dagger
The Sugg is about a lack of diverse post ml accessories in ranger and mage and I agree, a new one hasn't been added in a long time
indigo fog
oh
frosty dagger
There is only ethereal talisman and elemental quiver currently
indigo fog
i guess rogue does have way more accessories than ranged and mage
hard crescent
well rogue is a new class so it gets a pass
also, theres a ton of catering to true melee (not that i mind)
frosty dagger
For those two you have to run many fillers (rampart of deities, sponge, affliction ECT)
hard crescent
well "a lot of catering" being that they specify the difference
green pumice
does mage need more acessories
sand umbra
mage having more accessories would be neat
queen delta
mage already has a lot of accessories that give max mana
using normal, standard mage gear post-DoG would put you at the cap very easily
sand umbra
...on the condition that none of them become Ethereal Talisman mats
need to have more unique accessories, accessories that don't necessarily craft into anything or have a very small line, but have interesting effects to keep things fresh
gleaming siren
that sounds like rare variants
sand umbra
no
tired haven
Certainly not ft. mana overloader
sand umbra
see, Mana Overloader is good
tired haven
and permafrost concoction but eh, it's not mage even if it got 50 mana
sand umbra
it does a unique thing that separates it from other accs and it isn't used purely to beef up another acc
Permafrost's Concoction ain't worth the ice it's made from
tired haven
sand umbra
hexed lagoon
Idk why they even drop cultist clothes in the first place
sand umbra
they're supposedly related to the lunar cult
zealous ridge
something something lore related
indigo fog
you can use auto trash
sand umbra
but nobody's ever bothered to elaborate on why
indigo fog
but the drop chance should be reduced to 10%
zealous ridge
I would like it if the drop chance was at least decreased
sand umbra
also mfw post-LC vanity is dropped by a start-of-Hardmode entity
zealous ridge
Eidolists are not that rare, they’re just relatively uncommon compared to the average trash mob
remember Martian conduit plating being accessible at the start of hm
tired haven
Wow, nobody did annoying mud joke, am disappointed
queen delta
you're an annoying mud
hexed lagoon
queen delta
thorium has an enemy that drops annoying mud
tired haven
Had, at least
radiant meadow
used to anyways
hexed lagoon
And what bout it
zealous ridge
uh yeah but how is this a relevant joke like
tired haven
Annoying mud did nothing, was here solely to waste space
zealous ridge
Because it’s something you just throw away?
hexed lagoon
Flash backs of Rock from boss rush
tired haven
Something to obstruct your inventory
zealous ridge
I mean there was a reason it was removed
subtle fjord
Rock can be used in Fargo's soul mod doee
tired haven
And yes
zealous ridge
It was a gamey and uninteresting mechanic
instead he throws the mud, which actually makes him a unique threat
hexed lagoon
I think completing the bossrush should give you an actual item that can be useful for something, not just a rock like yeah its funny but i lost 3 hours of my life
queen delta
i mean, BR is just a bonus mode
tired haven
Well too bad because for now rock will stay entirely useless on a purpose
shell lynx
I always thought it was more of a placeholder
tired haven
^ p much
tired haven
"- Any suggestions about giving usages to the Rock.
Example: Making it an ingredient for an end-game item.
Reason: The Rock is supposed to be a trophy for completing the Boss Rush and a comedic intentional anti-climax. Making it have any usage, especially multiple usages, would be an incredibly annoying grind (and would spoil the fun).
"
zealous ridge
I mean, if we are to look at hollow knight, the inspiriation for boss rush I think, that really had no gameplay benefits and was really only a for fun/practice mode/challenge mode
and I think it serves that purpose well
unique vector
the point of configurations is optional mechanics that are toggleable
terse sundial
Isn't death mode already toggleable?
unique vector
if fab decides he wants it as a main mechanic of deathmode then its certainly not becoming a config. you cant just state "well a few people dont like X update change so make it configurable"
and yes, dm is already a config in itself if you think about it
just... dont play death
@vestal comet
terse sundial
not to mention the extra boss health and ripper damage is going away
vestal comet
I mean some people may just play it for the bosses
terse sundial
right, you can toggle on death before you fight a boss
noone is forcing you to play death constantly
vestal comet
I get that, but some people may get mad at some of the random debuffs during a boss like cryogen
hexed lagoon
I play deathmode cause of the bosses, why else would i play it? 
unique vector
cryo already debuffs you fyi
gusty geode
Apparently changes in higher difficulties that make parts of the game that aren't the bosses more difficult are a problem
unique vector
the point of the changes is to make it more difficult like that, if you cant handle the changes and feel more annoyed by them, then well death isnt for you i suppose
hexed lagoon
Terraria Overhaul mod adds some kind of realism and everything is configurable
sand umbra
actually
unique vector
overhaul isnt calamity
sand umbra
if the Snow Slow effect works like Mighty Wind
hexed lagoon
But i dont think it would work for calamity
vestal comet
I mean i could care less about it, ive seen other users complain about it elsewhere
zealous ridge
I have problems with the new death things, but like
vestal comet
I for one think it gives calamity deathmode a new feeling if its like that
hexed lagoon
Can y'all just wait till the update comes out and then like give feedback or something
vestal comet
Thats probably the best way to do it
zealous ridge
Oh I’m waiting
I just don’t like what the text entails
is it bad to draw at least a few conclusions there? I’m not saying I hate the update yet
hexed lagoon
I didnt say that but okay
zealous ridge
did I misinterpret something you said?
hexed lagoon
Just forget it
unique vector
its not bad to draw conclusions but dont take self made conclusions as facts
gusty geode
Ig the point of the original sug is
For lack of a less... elitist way of putting it
The idea of the game outside of the bosses being harder is a new concept to a lot of players and will probably be met with mixed reactions
unique vector
its perfectly fine to not like what it sounds like, but hold some more neutral expectations
lost agate
Masomode also sounds like madness until you try it out so like
zealous ridge
yeah, I wasn’t saying they were facts either
lost agate
It also makes death mode engaging than just boss changes
Cuz if you aint fighting bosses death mode does jack shit
zealous ridge
yeah there’s certainly positives
queen delta
masomode is still madness even after you finish a pt, but now you're more conditioned to it
lost agate
The natural hazards are manageable tho
queen delta
so yeah, we should just wait for the update to come out and try it out before you people start complaining
lost agate
And well
Deathmode itself is like a config if you think about it
Dont like non boss changes? Turn it off when not fighting bosses
Simple
zealous ridge
was I making it sound like I was complaining? I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to come off like that
I mean, may not be directed at me but
lost agate
No im just stating that i think an entirely different config is redundant when DM is toggleable
zealous ridge
Yeah, I can see you’re taking a different direction with death
I feel like it’s getting a shift in focus, I guess
And that’s not what I dislike, really
that’s not an inherently bad thing
gusty geode
Those geysers are definitely not gonna go over well
A mechanic being unpredictable generally automatically makes it bad from what I've seen
frail mantle
i'm sure Fab will make sure that it's not a load of bullshit unpredictable asspiss
gusty geode
Fair
lost agate
It can literally gurgle before shooting
tired haven
Time to search for those who complain about bubbles in teal sea
radiant meadow
aka something I can do without Rover yelling at me because it could also classify as a bug
zealous ridge
indigo fog
also Chaos Stone is Pink and drops from Calamitas
vestal comet
Ill probably just delete the suggestion for now and see how it turns out ig
zealous ridge
yeah i would wait for when the changes are in game
ancient crow
I thought chaos stone was from brim elemental
round falcon
figure itd be worth discussing first:
Automatically stop all environmental hazards (i.e. freezing to death, lightning, etc.) from occuring while a boss is alive.
Why? With the upcoming Death Mode changes, it may be a lot more difficult to fight a boss when the weather is not a clear night. While we have the Torrential Tear, it would be tedious to have it start raining/snowing during a boss fight and having to either risk the extra damage from the boss or the environment, or losing the fight entirely.
zealous ridge
again, we don’t know the details of how it will work yet
So for all we know that could be the plan
round falcon
better to suggest something unknowingly redundant than to not suggest anything at all, though
plus, that's why it's in the discussion channel and not straight to #suggestions-voting
zealous ridge
well okay
wooden wedge
zealous ridge
I suppose that’s fair enough
round falcon
alright, i'll keep it in my pocket
hexed ore
My brain is not working
radiant meadow
I would need a sprite for that to happen
but also, like I don't believe there's any dd2 gear that would fit rogue
(actually, there probably is and I have terrible memory)
hexed ore
I see
civic pond
radiant meadow
cool, yes
viable, uhhhh....
cobalt rose
@safe lava suggestions to add things like boss death animations are a don't.
indigo fog
yeah they were suggested way too many times already
it's not necessary to suggest them again
tepid root
wasnt a sugma like that already sent to devs
wait it was spawn animations not death animations
h nevermind
safe lava
hollow shell
@hot oracle Don't make suggestions about upcoming features like that
Wait till they're actually implemented
distant gyro
@hot oracle sike campfires grant cold immunity before the change log was even added
hot oracle
oh my bad
distant gyro
hot oracle
do i delete it then?
distant gyro
ye
hot oracle
hollow shell
Do we have that documented anywhere as a rule, actually?
hot oracle
hell ye
karmic stone
Pinned in #suggestions-voting ye
cobalt rose
the don'ts actually mention
Any suggestions regarding future content that has yet to be implemented
hollow shell
That's true
karmic stone
Read #changelogs before posting a suggestion so as you do not suggest something that has already been, or will be, implemented
hollow shell
Yeah that'd fall under that
karmic stone
Oh also
hollow shell
Nah Add that's referring to something else
That's covering for if somebody suggests right now "Make lava in the Underworld shoot up flames in Death Mode."
karmic stone
o
hollow shell
Everybody else: "Check #changelogs, already happening"
hot oracle
aight i mustve missed that part in pinned. thanks for the heads up.
zealous ridge
i mean, is discussion in here about changelog changes before theyre implemented fine?
zealous ridge
ah
radiant meadow
indeed
zealous ridge
fair enough
radiant meadow
since even if you gather enough for a suggestion, the suggestion could be invalid immediately depending on what it is
since you guys don't know the full extent of what is happening
zealous ridge
may be just me seeing this as more of a discussion channel than anything
which isnt really accurate
cobalt rose
the discussion part is about the suggestions themselves
zealous ridge
yeah that's what i mean
radiant meadow
Yo, as part of the Ben's Developer Feedback Process, you have been chosen to be informed that this suggestion which belongs to you has been completed.
Although I may be over a year late, I just want to show our dedication and how sometimes I feel like digging really far back in the suggestions channel for no real reason and that I may have no life.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/482998084138172446/483003342713520149/unknown.png
@bitter topaz I'm not sorry btw
bitter topaz
wait what the fuck
radiant meadow
radiant meadow
probably
bitter topaz
god that nickname is quite the throwback
& so is that colour
worthy fiber
old wiki contrib
radiant meadow
It was an opportunity not to be missed.
swift wadi
Holy shit thats an old sugg
radiant meadow
I saw despacito gummy style in the dev suggestions channel and waited for bidoof to come online
void kelp
oh my god
jaunty jackal
I like the idea of making shinobi infiltrator armour a rogue/summoner hybrid, as I believe currently red riding is range/summoner, dark artist is mage/summoner, and then valhalla knight and shinobi infiltrator are melee/summoner, so switching it would make it more balanced.
That said, it is explicitly mentioned in the 'suggestion don'ts' not to suggest rogue changes to vanilla items :\
distant gyro
you forgot monk/squire are also a melee/melee armor ://
jaunty jackal
well yeah, the same goes for the post-mech tier
distant gyro
OOA memes are kinda weird
there's 2 melee-summoner sets (Monk and Squire/Valhalla Knight and Shinobi Infiltrator), 1 mage-summoner set (Apprentice/Dark Artist), and 1 ranger-summoner set (Huntress/Red Riding)
also applies to ogre/betsy drops being 3-1-1 and 2-1-1 for melee, ranged, and magic respectively
smelly fillery items but vanilla overrides be like
distant gyro
@torn bear if he wants an item then he'd ask
ashen warren
Yeah that's a suggestions don't, you can read up on them in the pins, plus it's up to him about getting one, not anyone else 
hexed ore
What does the blue check mark "highly suggested" mean?
distant gyro
highly suggested just mean highly suggested
radiant meadow
Ooa armors are also a reference
distant gyro
aka some person has suggested it before
radiant meadow
Monk doesn't really use rogue like attacks in dd2
worthy fiber
You could just fight farther away from the base
distant gyro
deathrays have limited range
queen sail
...it doesn’t go through blocks tho
ashen warren
doesn't it only go through blocks if you're hiding behind blocks
lost agate
It does go through blocks in rev, on the second phase if you are behind blocks
So if you somehow fullfiled all that to get your npcs killed then wew
sand umbra
wait hol up
ashen warren
bruh
sand umbra
mage weps no longer proc summoner nerf with Forbidden armor as of next update?
distant gyro
yes
distant gyro
forbidden armor was too forbidden so it needed to be buffed
also hybrid summoner armor in general bringe
void kelp
tbh removing one of the OOA redundancies with armor by making shinobi rogue sounds neat
distant gyro
totally up for it though
void kelp
also gives more summoner hybrid memes
distant gyro
despacito gummy style points
tired haven
iirc each hybrid meme implemented is 200,000 more players sacrificed to the 
So be mindful
sand umbra
brb implementing a billion more hybrid memes
sand umbra
actually yeah
radiant meadow
Red rider with aerial bane
sand umbra
no
radiant meadow
And spikecrag stack
sand umbra
Aerial Bane in particular triggers the nerf but none of Betsy's other drops do if wearing an OOA set
radiant meadow
Phantasm and spikecrags
void kelp
actually.. if OOA ignored summoner nerf they might actually be good
and yet people still won’t use it
radiant meadow
You don't know the power of sentry stacking
distant gyro
@hexed ore spoilert: voltaic climax will probably never be buffed again
because buffing to scal-viability = yharon dies in milliseconds
after all, voltaic is a darksun weapon
hallow kraken
Vortex?
ashen warren
"the only exo tier mage wep is voltaic"
subsuming vortex is an exo mage wep yk
distant gyro
there's vivid clarity, subsuming vortex, the wand (), yharim's crystal, and void vortex
2 are much harder to obtain
hexed ore
Oh, forgot about those
distant gyro
5 weapons.
zenith hazel
that’s more than rogue + summoner combined technically
placid moth
wait is ssv not
hexed ore
Honestly, does anyone farm for Yharon drops anyways though?
placid moth
but ssv is decent for scal though
upbeat sparrow
Just get High IQ and use Vivid clarity. It deals a very high amounts of damage if you know how to use it
terse sundial
SSV works well
upbeat sparrow
Yeah, ssv works well too
lost agate
Voltaic climax buff 
quartz hare
void vortex?
tired haven
Relying on rivs is smelly ngl
swift wadi
Post-Yharon mage stands for "grindfest 2020" iirc
tired haven
It's "p2w but for some reason paid version isn't even there"
distant gyro
totally doesn't exist
tired haven
Subsuming vortex is tome??
carmine stream
wait oh
ruby cobalt
eviscerate under lack of research
carmine stream
distant gyro
I like how it just skipped out of the radar completely
distant gyro
especially when SSV is the most popular auric-tier mage weapon by far out of the 5
ruby cobalt
both SSV and vivid are viable
ruby cobalt
if your IQ is in low double-digits then it's not the weapon's problem
ruby cobalt
here, a suggestion: stop shitting out ideas for the sake of shitting them out
carmine stream
ok
good idea
instead i’ll shit out ideas with slightly more thought put into them
carmine stream
Sounds neat
sand umbra
okay so hear me out for just a second here
post-Yharon Birb wep upgrades using Yharon Soul Fragments
marble mirage
the birb swarm
sand umbra
the Murderswarm, if you will
distant gyro
tfw probiscuit upgrade
sand umbra
how would literally three new weapons be balance hell bruh
swift wadi
Because yes
distant gyro
god there will be so many pre-scal weapon
marble mirage
also uh
i had an idea of making the dragon rage (or whichever yharon sword that just fires a buncha blades) a flying dragon (or whatever betsy's sword weapon is called) upgrade, and making the burning sky the only yharon melee weapon
probably dumb idea, but eh
could be cool to have betsy weapon upgrades
green pumice
ech
tired haven
Tbh doesn't sound half bad given lots of melee weps lack personality
But then again, yet another viable melee in late 
marble mirage
too many of em
marble mirage
compared to uh
i guess ranger's two?
frail mantle
three in rev
marble mirage
are there any more?
swift wadi
Rogue is one
sand umbra
I mean even Oracle is gonna be usable next update so like
frail mantle
summoner is three, one if you only count Exo tier
distant gyro
holy fuckamoly
marble mirage
yeah i dunno if worm and yharon birbs count
sand umbra
melee has like 7 at this point
this is about as many as every other non-mage class and SSV combined
frail mantle
they're good and all, and SCal would be a meme with only Immaterializer, but it doesn't change the fact that Summoner only has one exo weapon
marble mirage
yeah it's kinda sad how melee gets so much variety and summoner just kinda has one thing that you gotta do
sand umbra
(that being said, lotsa new summons next update! so stay tuned o3o)
marble mirage
woah!
distant gyro
I think there's a plan to make a post-dog sentry of some kind
marble mirage
i guess melee is easiest to work with
just get a sword, make it shoot lots, and there we go
distant gyro
it might not come out in time for the next update though
swift wadi
BIG SWORD HIT THING SHOOTS THING
marble mirage
with other classes you gotta take other things into consideration like ammo and mana
distant gyro
well, let's see
swift wadi
pretty simple to make
marble mirage
that and melee has a buncha variety with what weapon types you got
swords, spears, yo-yos, flails, i don't doubt there's more
distant gyro
two are your typical generic yet iconic projectile sword
one is a MGR:R reference
one is dev sword
one is donor sword
another one is donor, for the yoyo subclass
yet another one is donor, for the flail subclass
3/7 are donators
keen geyser
yes
marble mirage
who would use it
keen geyser
if you name yourself sam
terse sundial
ein
marble mirage
fuck you got me
i feel like murasama would have been less of a meme if it was back to being post-dog but i'm not mr. smart man here
swift bison
You're still right tho
queen sail
What makes Murasama a meme is how it’s presented in comparison to its competitors
By the time you can use it you only really have SCal and BR
tired haven
By the time you can use it might as well use ataraxia or exoblade
Even despite the elusive true memee bonuses (half of which does work on shooting swords' blades anyway)
swift bison
Ataraxia is probably my least favourite sword in the game tbh
It's just some patreon item that requires basically nothing to get, yet outshines the exoblade: the grindiest sword in the game
zealous ridge
in all fairness it really doesn't have much difficulty regarding its crafting recipe
but on the other hand, i really enjoy the true melee effect it has, i just wish the projectile were more interesting
hollow shell
Conflicted on the Exo mage weapon suggestion
Cuz Auric/Exo weapon suggestions are a Don't, of the Frequently Suggested variety
but the Don't was made before the SIS ban
gusty geode
Wouldn't that be double bad then
hollow shell
Hm?
gusty geode
Or at least
Still bad
Since it's still breaking the no-exo rule
hollow shell
Yeah but I'm wondering if that rule is still valid
keen geyser
SIS ban?
hollow shell
considering the Don't was put in place to stop people from flooding the chat with their 6 paragraph long epic 50 billion effect items
but now we can't get those
cuz Specific Item Suggestions (SIS) aren't allowed anymore
keen geyser
ah yeah
queen sail
That add nothing to the game but they want so they can feel like a god
hollow shell
indeed
queen sail
Give me 500 exo weapons that instakill scal and make me use 0.1% of my real power
hollow shell
So now that the only Exo weapon suggestions we can get must be general and supported with better arguments
Should that Don't be removed?
gusty geode
If you wanna feel like god equip SoE
I'd be down
queen sail
Well I mean yeah but the class that needs it the most has an update planned for it soooo
What else is there
gusty geode
That class having multiple options like the others
hollow shell
I'mma just change the Don't to be Exo Gun
tired haven
I doubt it should be
People can get as lazy as:
- add exo spear
- exo kunai
- exo sentry
- exo laser gun (magic type)
lost agate
(exo sentry would be unironically good)
tired haven
Well then sproots and codes in studio pls 
tbh I'd like that too, but that is gonna be inevitably spammed
gusty geode
They're not unwarranted imo
It's the current final set in the game excluding dev weapons
Even if it's not always gonna be like that
It'd make sense for every kind of weapon in the game to have an Exo
gusty geode
Still don't see why we needed a pre-boss flamethrower tbh
lost agate
Take a wild guess
gusty geode
If it's to make gel useful
Wouldn't you be using it for torches at that point anyway
Maybe campfires
lost agate
Also im saying exo sentry would be nice since you fight scal in an arena
Also no wrong guess
frosty dagger
Summoner is already really good for Scal
keen geyser
kinda boring in comparison to the others tho
karmic stone
to make gel useful
Hueh
queen sail
So dying to the zombie hordes at night don’t compose of 30% of my playthrough?
@shucks
lost agate
when tf did i say that
Im playing maso and i had to stay inside my house for like 5 days smh, i know the feel
queen sail
Flamethrowers are effective against hordes :peepodie:
lost agate
So is a jester arrow 
gusty geode
Grenades, spears, slime staff, blocking the door
queen sail
Wasting Stars smh
lost agate
You can get some in chests smh 
karmic stone
Aren't these changes a little bit specific
keen geyser
I don't like the idea of nerfing providence tbh
gusty geode
Specific changes are legal iirc
Just specific new items aren't
hollow shell
Exact numbers are indeed discouraged.
ashen warren
@keen geyser My idea is not about nerfing Providence. I hadn't finished it and posted it accidentally. My idea has in mind to make Provi fair.
I can't even start to tell y'all, how many times I had to redo fight, because in the beggining of fight Provi would just spawn in a manner that almost guaranteed me getting hit/ dying instantly (Arma, you know)
frail mantle
Doesn’t Prov already have meme DR during cocoon phases
radiant meadow
@gusty geode we don't need a pre boss flamethrower
But Vai sprited it and there's little point in putting the sprite to waste
hexed lagoon
I never had trouble with she getting into cacoon on top of me, or the gigablasts, i always stayed far enough from her. Making these changes would only work for armaggeddon, but make the fight easier for other users who dont use Arma, i dont think it should be done
frosty dagger
I agree these things almost never happens to me, unessissary
swift bison
Am i allowed to suggest making some of the upcoming environmental deathmode changes configs (defaulting to true) similar to how lethal lava works currently?
swift bison
ok but what if i want deathmode without the blizzard or space debuffs but still want everything else
ok
hollow shell
Play Rev with a boss health multiplier
radiant meadow
then disable death every time you enter space or the snowbiome
hollow shell
and uhh
have no Wardings
hollow shell
Ah so just play Rev then :P
radiant meadow
just wear the correct gear
swift bison
am i not allowed to make the sugg because it isn't in the game's public releases yet?
or for some other reason
twilit swan
What about accessories later in the progression that cancel out these new debuffs? Like deathmode-exclusive stuff?
swift bison
because i'd also like to suggest: make deathmode environmental debuffs not be inflicted on players behind safe background walls
radiant meadow
we've decided it's best if people don't suggest stuff about the public release
swift bison
so that bases can be made in each respective biome
radiant meadow
since they may not know stuff