This is just one logical instance of this
#suggestions-discussion
hallow hatch
distant gyro
and there is an equal balance in inconsistency
lumenyl, luminous corvina, and lumenous amulet
hallow hatch
Luminous striker
distant gyro
to reiterate, luminous striker is out for being unrelated to the abyss and the term 'luminous' in its name is describing the weapon
distant gyro
and re-reiterating lumen- is associated with the abyss
keen geyser
also luminyl would just look bad
distant gyro
it is not a real word but it is associative to its origins
distant gyro
low salmon
All words are made up.
hallow hatch
There’s no reason for it to be inconsistent
distant gyro
well I'm not trying to get sweaty with names so just post the fucking suggestion iirc
distant gyro
convo dragged for too long now, get the others to form their opinions on it
hallow hatch
Thank you for discussing
wary flume
If something was added it should be a lock to the artefacts use
warm tinsel
To simply put it
opal barn
Calamememode
warm tinsel
Calamimode is the best tier, you enter that by killing Hastur (ML) so ye, we should have something better than Tremode
fervent citrus
i call the mode 'pain' 
warm tinsel
I mean it's just a name, can you guys create a better one or did I do a good?
opal barn
I usually call it Post-ml and it works just fine
fervent citrus
pre/post-WoF 
zenith hazel
tremode
warm tinsel
tacit rock
You-gonna-die-a-lot-mode
warm tinsel
Yeah, can you guys actually top this name? Or did I actually create something nice?
tepid root
frail mantle
Calamode
distant gyro
calamode.
frail mantle
or, if we want to spice it up a bit, possibly Scourge Mode or Adversity Mode
swift wadi
I dont like the idea of naming it a "mode" because I feel like that will confuse it with other calamity modes
Dont mind that seizure I had on spelling
tacit rock
is it even aa mode or just a section of bosses
swift wadi
Just post-ml stuff afaik
graceful stream
post-ML is just hardmode but post-ML
there aren't any global changes like in hardmode compared to pre-hardmode
distant gyro
hardermode
swift wadi
YES
frail mantle
Difficultmode
tacit rock
Post-Hardmode
gusty grail
Tremor aint a good mod to draw inspa from
opal barn
Calamity GOD mode
tacit rock
so true XD
keen geyser
ngl sounds like a suggestion just for the sake of making a suggestion to me
opal barn
ngl bad sugma but doesn't break rules so
tacit rock
ooft
quiet abyss
At this point “Post-Moon Lord” is a widespread term.
Not just calamity uses it either, a few others like SoA mod also uses it.
No need for a new name when Post-ML works just fine.
zenith hazel
no meme suggestions please, that's gonna be a warn
gusty grail
Blue check?
opal barn
📌
gusty grail
Epiv
royal cedar
iirc, the summoner class is being expanded at a few points in the game, including pre-boss
loud steeple
Wait so since aew completely breaks on multiplayer with it's chaos state summon thingy,why not have the bottom abyss chest have a unlimited summoning item for it?
ruby cobalt
it breaks even if it's a natural spawn
loud steeple
But not the younger one?
ruby cobalt
yes
loud steeple
What's the difference between them aside from size,dr,and attacks?
loud steeple
I'm tempted to maybe get ozz or someone with access to the code in here since I don't know if I'm the only one but I wouldn't mind being able to fight aew in multiplayer
royal cedar
Probably something weird to do with "elseif" or "and/or" statements within the code
versed tundra
That's not... Okay it IS how code "works", but that's such a vague way of describing the origin of the problem you might as well say "it's a bug". Did you mean it's impossible to make the actual spawn conditions as specific and precise as they want? @royal cedar
Because the way most languages (if not all) work is that you can use as many parameters and boolean operators as you want in one statement, so if it is a bug in there, it should be fixable.
Unless some of the information isn't accessible for some reason.
royal cedar
By no means did I say it was unfixable, nor did I say about any limits in parameters for staements. What I meant was that there is most likely (which I cannot say for certain since I don't have source code access, merely giving my own thoughts) some conflict that causes breaks in natural spawning. For example, it may be "if chaos_state do... elseif natural_spawn_timer do..." or something to that effect, where the boolean chaos_state and multiplayer don't line up fully. If this is the issue then it is almost certainly fixable, although again without source code access I don't know exactly how
frail mantle
Make the Astral Infection transform Living Wood and Living Wood Walls into placed Astral Monolith and Astral Monolith Walls, and make it remove Leaf Blocks
Reason for this suggestion: Whenever the Astral Infection hits a biome, it transforms almost all blocks into Astral variants of the blocks. However, if a Living Tree happens to be in the Astral Infection when it appears, it stays as its pure variant, making it stick out like a sore thumb (or rather in this case a perfectly healthy thumb on a body covered in bruises). This makes little sense, as the Astral Infection is meant to be this disease that can corrupt anything from animals to machines, meanwhile it can do nothing to what's essentially an unusually large tree.
thoughts?
ruby cobalt
colossal squid is supposed to be a jumpscare
fierce hedge
Then adding sounds would make it an even better scare
dry ore
Heir to the cum throne
Also for the astral stuff before, a sprite for astral cactus flowers would be cool
lost agate
Wh
fierce hedge
what-
dry ore
Oh, it’s the video drh’s pfp is from
hollow idol
id say if collosal squid got a sound it would be some quiet bubbling or quiet tentacle noises, nothing loud and would build tension
fierce hedge
Yeah exacly
hollow idol
then you get too close and [insert pain]
fierce hedge
Not a roar like Wyrm or Shark bc... Squids don't do that.
versed tundra
Just use hunter potions SMH /s
hollow idol
Yknow what I just realized, the colossal squid doesnt blend in with the darkness with it being pale af, which already detracts from its stealth
versed tundra
It's still impossible to outside of it's aggro range see unless you have light sources where he spawns
Making him black wouldn't help him much
fierce hedge
Even though. The Squids should have more sounds other than just the hitsound tbh
versed tundra
It doesn't need to be stealthy: it's an apex predator
low salmon
hollow idol
Reaper sharks probably try to eat colossal squids
fierce hedge
You're propably not wrong
Squids only spawn at layer 3 and reaper sharks both 3 and 4 so
candid dove
The Colossal Squid would have a way higher chance to kill the Reaper Shark than the other way around
fierce hedge
Why would that be
candid dove
Tentacles
loud steeple
But nom nom
hollow idol
reaper has buff arms and sharp penetrating teeth for a reason
fierce hedge
Doesnt Reaper Shark have some seriously sharp teeth
candid dove
Those things can fuck over a shark real badly, and then it just uses its beak to kill it
dry ore
Lore wise I’d think the Leviathan would be able to take down the Reaper Shark
hollow idol
Levi lived in the abyss in the soon to be retconned lore
fierce hedge
Ah okay
dry ore
Oh I see
fierce hedge
I didnt know that part
dry ore
Never mind then, I guess it wouldn’t
candid dove
Once an armored angler of unknown origins, she spent much of her juvenile life in the depths of the oceans, preying upon any unfortunate enough to stray into her territory.
fierce hedge
Oh damn
But does Levi really have as sharp teeth and armor like Reaper Shark
Well not armor
But i am pretty sure that Reaper has some hard skin
dry ore
Levi has immense amounts of blubber armouring here, as well as the ability to literally vomit meteors
Plus she has Siren
fierce hedge
Iguess
It's a weird world
Iguess only Danny and Fab can answer that question
Since well, they create the mod
hollow idol
Mrrp said levi flying isnt canon, so who says the meteors are
hollow idol
He’ll tell us to get back on channel topic
frail mantle
is my suggestion ok?
fierce hedge
Don't see a problem with it
ruby cobalt
it's ok
you will be personally blamed for the next astral biome crashing bug if it gets in though
fierce hedge
frail mantle
lost agate
Nah it should be fine
We discovered that autoload bad and tree trunks evil
And giant trees are blocks rather than actual trees
hallow kraken
Woah dude 12 hours and this already
fierce hedge
Its good bc yes
tired haven
I mean
If replacing dirt with astral dirt didn't crash game except it did, why would placed astral monolith tree
radiant meadow
bug Alterra to make astral variants of the living tree stuff
tired haven
eh, monolith is fine as is and leaves not spawning is a better design
radiant meadow
not sure if the chest can be replaced
but I think Alterra did make some astral monolith furniture to replace the tables and chairs™️
idk if she finished
sand umbra
I took a look at the Lumenous Amulet to Abyssal Diving Suit recipe and uh
do I need to remind you what all Lumenous Amulet does
green pumice
yes
sand umbra
it increases your light level in the Abyss by 2, gives all of your attacks the ability to inflict Crush Depth, and grants a whopping 25% boost to max health whilst in the Abyss
green pumice
sex
radiant meadow
Idk why
green pumice
god
lost agate
i dont think thats how light works
sacred imp
FYI, for my suggestion I didn’t have unlimited mana, I had the buffs. Unlimited Magic Buffs, Unlimited Defense Buffs, and Unlimited Basic Buffs
Yharim’s stims, caydence, thorium combs
sand umbra
On today's episode of trying to make OOA actually worth half a fuck to farm:
Remove Betsy's Curse immunity from (at least) the bosses between Golem and ML, inclusively, and adjust the buff made to it so it is more balanced in the grand scheme of things.
❔
Calamity specifically buffs this exact debuff to make it more worthwhile and in an attempt to make OOA worth farming, yet every boss past Golem --- a.k.a. the point where you can start inflicting this debuff in the first place --- is immune to Betsy's Curse, and thus Betsy's Wrath itself becomes a fantastically mediocre weapon with a nigh-useless debuff. Removing this immunity and balancing out BC to compensate would not only make Betsy's Wrath a good weapon, but also maybe take a step towards putting OOA back on the map for people that aren't summoners.
time to be told to fuck off for bringing up debuff immuntiies yet again hahaueh
sand umbra
anywho, you all know the drill by now I hope
any objections, speak now or forever hold your pieces
@toxic kettle I believe this is relevant to your interests
queen delta
Yes the deepsea staff stacking is annoying
toxic kettle
I mean, it took me quite long to get it, even though I got Betsy's Wrath from the first Treasure Bag, and now I found out it's practically useless
frail mantle
idea: nerf Deepsea and Seabound Staff and make them use local immunity frames assuming they don't already
void kelp
wait, why would you have both minions up though
aren’t they just the same sea star but one of them is stronger
frail mantle
i think he means that when more than one of each is summoned, they kinda just sit on top of each other and act like one single minion
void kelp
oh
see that makes more sense, because I was wondering why would you have one of each minion out
sand umbra
no objections spotted, we're live
frail mantle
wait, glow as in glowmask or glow as in provide light
sand umbra
tell me again how they're gonna know what the difference between these two things is
frail mantle
void kelp
what’s the difference
frail mantle
glowmask would make the projectile visible in the dark, producing light would make it actually light up the surrounding area
void kelp
their hitboxes no longer overlap?
radiant meadow
Shucks already did that
ashen warren
Ok cool
radiant meadow
They got anti-sticking code
frail mantle
in the public version or in .201
radiant meadow
Next update
radiant meadow
Part of many bug fixes
frail mantle
zealous ridge
well okay, as far as OOA is concerned
sure, making BC better is something of a step in the right direction to making it more worthwhile
and its easier to implement
so yeah, agreeable suggestion
i just think there could be more done with the event in general
sand umbra
believe me, so do I
but that's a topic for another time, and potentially another place
zealous ridge
fair enough i guess
void kelp
suggest changes bit by bit
zealous ridge
well, okay, we dont have to talk about OOA as a whole
but i guess a good place to start is how this would affect post-golem balance
radiant meadow
so betsy's curse immunity should be removed from pbg and ravager you say?
(and probably all pre golem bosses lole)
sand umbra
byeah
zealous ridge
pbg, ravager... are the vanilla bosses immune to these debuffs?
like im thinking duke and friends
sand umbra
Duke isn't immune to it
toxic kettle
Moon Lord isn't
radiant meadow
vanilla bosses aren't immune
sand umbra
LC is immune to everything for reasons nobody can comprehend
radiant meadow
except LC
zealous ridge
radiant meadow
because lol
hours
zealous ridge
well alright, so pbg and ravager
toxic kettle
and Deus
radiant meadow
as far as I'm concerned, the only debuffs LC shouldn't be immune to are Shellfish Claps, Enraged, and Spiteful
shellfish claps because lol and how shellfish staff works
sand umbra
so that marks PBG, Ravager, and Deuces Wild as candidates for vulnerability
also, as far as I'm concerned, why is he immune to Plague
sand umbra
...I mean yeah that's one way to justify it
radiant meadow
worms tend to be immune to all debuffs
radiant meadow
deus, AS, destroyer, doggo, weaver, etc
zealous ridge
kind of just pbg and ravager, then
radiant meadow
well, you can piss on p2 weaver
void kelp
smth about multiple hitboxes and a single HP bar?
sand umbra
Betsy's Curse on Storm Weaver phase 2 moments
zealous ridge
radiant meadow
made shine and lumenous amulet stack light level
void kelp
because that’s why DoT is super brokenly powerful against this one boss in darkest dungeon; all components share the same HP bar but take DoT separately per part which causes them to stack absurdly
sand umbra
gamer time
zealous ridge
well okay, considering how BC works, it certainly isnt the best candidate for a debuff applying weapon
like compared to the piercing, high fire rate golden shower
radiant meadow
if the betsy's curse suggestion get sent, I'll probably remove betsy's curse immunity from:
cryogen, brimmy, clone, aquatic bitch pair, aureus, pbg, and ravager
I would do it now, but then Rover would yell at me
toxic kettle
what about post-ML?
radiant meadow
same with the gilded/gleaming dagger suggestion fuck, global think emotes died
hollow shell
@subtle fjord Are you gonna edit or delete your suggestion now that you know Adult Eidolon Wyrm exists?
zealous ridge
post ML?
hollow shell
and yes I would, Ben 
toxic kettle
post-Moon Lord
subtle fjord
Ah yes I'll delete rn mb mb
hollow shell
Aight, cool
toxic kettle
zealous ridge
well, idk if i want betsys wrath to be like a viable pick for too long
void kelp
I’d like it to not be absolutely useless
zealous ridge
its a debuff weapon with an exclusive defense decreasing effect
toxic kettle
Defense and Damage Reduction
zealous ridge
ichor can be applied in a lot more ways than just golden shower
betsy's curse is exclusive to betsy's wrath
sand umbra
that's not the point
hollow shell
So, add Betsy's Wrath upgrades? 👀
toxic kettle
sand umbra
you can inflict Ichor at the start of Hardmode and keep inflicting it consistently on everything throughout the rest of the game
zealous ridge
but that was my point
the reason i dont like betsy's wrath being useful past ml is because the debuff is exclusive to it
toxic kettle
Drataliornus apparently inflicts it too, but at that point you don't really need it anymore
sand umbra
(additionally, one could add more items that inflict Betsy's Curse, such as making the other Betsy drops do so for example)
toxic kettle
in Boss Rush maybe
hollow shell
A Birb-tier upgrade would prolly make sense
sand umbra
Yharon-tier upgrades
hollow shell
Too late
zealous ridge
e
sand umbra
void kelp
ok so I never actually noticed what betsy’s curse does
hollow shell
Well, maybe after the Birb-tier upgrade
zealous ridge
sand umbra
just think about it for a moment, it makes sense
zealous ridge
but yeah, my take on ichor is not too positive either, but at the very least you don't have to stick with a single weapon (golden shower, for example) to inflict the debuff you want (ichor)
sand umbra
honestly I believe that Betsy's Curse should at the least be inflicted by her other drops
toxic kettle
Does the damage reduction reduction () Betsy's Curse causes subtract 34% from the existing DR of the enemy that gets hit or does it multiply it by 0.66?
zealous ridge
and yeah, BC being inflicted by the other drops is fine too
radiant meadow
multiplicative, ye
sand umbra
and I can absolutely get behind her drops having a couple upgrades throughout progression
give Effulgent Feathers and Yharon Soul Fragments some more use on their own
zealous ridge
yeah that sounds nice
radiant meadow
:hmm:
void kelp
make OOA good for not just mages wanting a cool weapon and summoners
sand umbra
byeah
zealous ridge
i was just making a point that if things were to stay as they were, with BC being only inflicted by BW, i wouldn't want it to be viable past ml
sand umbra
yeah, I can get that
tired haven
Do you mean vesuvius for mages? Just curious
zealous ridge
well, if the suggestion of the hour were to get through, it might be good after all
void kelp
nothing else would be of consideration lol
sand umbra
and if I can get my foot in the door or somethin' with this, I may very well be able to successfully suggest other things that make OOA better all-around for all classes and mayhaps make Betsy's drops useful for later in the game, e.g. upgrades to them later on
also a nerf to Aerial Bruh Moment
things?
things have gotten nerfs as well
tired haven
Time to nerf monsoon and tsunami
sand umbra
yeeeeeees
radiant meadow
tries to get living trees to convert to astral
how am I supposed to delete leaves
queen delta
turn them into air
radiant meadow
is there an air id?
hollow shell
is it 0
radiant meadow
0 is dirt
hollow shell
Null, then?
sand umbra
well, let's think
when does vanilla make a tile yesn't if something happens
radiant meadow
switch (type)
{
case TileID.Dirt:
Main.tile[x, y].type = (ushort)ModContent.TileType<AstralDirt>();
break;
case TileID.LivingWood:
Main.tile[x, y].type = (ushort)ModContent.TileType<AstralMonolith>();
break;
case TileID.LeafBlock:
tile.TurnToAir();
break;```
like this? (there's more stuff that is to be converted of course)I messed up, there isn't actually a TurnToAir method--
radiant meadow
sand umbra
excuse me while I go examine a few things
lost agate
tile.active = false
swift bison
make an astral leaves tile 4head
hallow hatch
^^
fierce hedge
sand umbra
BINGO
radiant meadow
that requires sproots
umbral mulch
Deer that is the single fastest star I've ever seen in my life
hollow shell
WorldGen.KillTile?
radiant meadow
and I don't need to bug Alterra atm
sand umbra
WorldGen.KillTile(l, k);
if (Main.netMode == 1)
{
NetMessage.SendData(17, -1, -1, null, 0, l, k);
}``` case TileID.LivingWood:
Main.tile[x, y].type = (ushort)ModContent.TileType<AstralMonolith>();
break;
case TileID.LeafBlock:
Main.tile[x, y].active = false;
break;```
?thank you, Clentaminator conversion code
radiant meadow
put that instead of Main.tile[x,y].active = false
but change the l and k to x and y
sand umbra
mhm
hollow shell
To clarify, this does not refer to Actuation and actually just means deleting the tile?
sand umbra
context: Thorns when converted to Purity by e.g. the Clentaminator's Green Solution
radiant meadow
platform collisions are ugly iirc
that might be why jelly bean doesn't do it
same with rox not bouncing off platforms
hollow shell
(and you can work on this suggestion immediately because it's a bluecheck )
radiant meadow
and sentries not landing on platforms
well, yes, that is exactly why I did it Rover
hollow shell
Goodie
radiant meadow
on another note, novae slag, astral clay, celestial remains, and astral snow weren't being counted as astral tiles when deciding to spawn another biome, so I fixed that
sand umbra
hollow shell
👍
lost agate
Rox is a mount in disguise iirc
tired haven
The best mount, along with anvil from thorium
radiant meadow
anvil is fucking bruh
sand umbra
anvil is pure, unadulterated YEET
lost agate
i invented pogo sticks before relogic did iirc
sand umbra
pogo stick class when, Socks
lost agate
Non
devout seal
i like the idea of colossal squid ambient noises.
zealous ridge
(also, yeah i thought he did have ambient noises)
its like a water gurgling thats quiet
hollow shell
Nah, those are Reaper Sharks
hollow shell
hollow shell
That's the music :P
zealous ridge
wait hold on
radiant meadow
void kelp
hollow shell
Sweet
frail mantle
nice
hollow shell
Maybe could get Astreal Leaves in the future for reversibility, but this works
frail mantle
yea
zealous ridge
so is the principle the same for converting when entering HM?
void kelp
trees/astral monolith in background don’t have leaves
void kelp
clentaminator bug makes a return
radiant meadow
the monolith walls should be safe for housing
swift bison
Ah yes, leaves made entirely of yharim's mom
radiant meadow
just like the living wood walls
radiant meadow
destroying an astral leaf drops an astreal defeat
hallow hatch
hallow hatch
ew
radiant meadow
or donate on patron which is the reason perf pet exists
hollow shell
@silk lantern Perf pet is donator item
loud steeple
Quick someone donate for HM pet
void kelp
@hollow idol don’t you have a sprite for a HM pet?
radiant meadow
sprite a good* hive mind pet
void kelp
iirc he has a pretty good sprite sheet
silk lantern
Oh whoops I’ll delete it then
void kelp
fits with old HM not new HM
radiant meadow
old as in old old?
hallow hatch
make the hermits box of one hundred medicines a light pet first
radiant meadow
or as in not with iban's new resprite
Mrrp didn't want box to be a light pet
so that's not happening
silk lantern
Epic
hollow shell
loud steeple
I'm guessing the box thingy is mrrps admin thingy?
radiant meadow
mrrp's dev thingy
loud steeple
That's the word
void kelp
not the new iban sprite, yeye, but the one current
hollow shell
Gotta donate $50 buckeroonies
radiant meadow
or just donate $20 for some epic sneak peeks
hollow shell
It used to be $20 but then too many people donated $20 and now we've got a billion items to make
silk lantern
Ok I guess I’m not becoming a Patreon lol, I can’t give 50 a month
Wait what if I donate 50 once then stop?
radiant meadow
you still get an item
frail mantle
you can do that and still get an item iirc
radiant meadow
all donations are epic, but of course, the decision is ultimately up to you
hallow hatch
is one allowed an expletive in ones tooltip
in other words, can I donate and get an item named bitchass
devout seal
there's a perf pet??
hollow shell
Lompl has "Balls? Smalls" but I'm not sure how much that counts
Explitives are probably discouraged
hallow hatch
I see
radiant meadow
probably heavily discouraged
especially since a lot of people who play terraria are younger
hallow hatch
I see
radiant meadow
[[Bloody Vein]] @devout seal
red stormBOT
wooden wedge
Have calamity candles have the right click to break function.
I think that the candles should have this function to be more consistent with vanilla terraria candles, where you're able to right click them to break them instead of having to pull out your pickaxe to break them.
thoughts?
hollow shell
Damn
radiant meadow
but uhh, you can hold out tranq and chaos candles now
radiant meadow
you get the buff if you hold them
hallow hatch
keen geyser
mp memes
radiant meadow
it won't stack with a placed one though
lost agate
You can run around wherever you want
wooden wedge
but I was talking about the placed candles
wooden wedge
so you can't have the calamity candles be right click to be broken?
lost agate
Can you right click calam torches?
lost agate
Maybe look at that
radiant meadow
but you can't hold out abyss torches with smart select
lost agate
Uh
wooden wedge
ah I misunderstood some stuff
tired haven
Candles do not break on right click for calamity right now
I think there was a suggestion recently about that
hollow shell
There was a suggestion for Chaos Candle specifically
radiant meadow
suggestion, yes. so I tried to do it
radiant meadow
when I say try, I mean fail
frail mantle
wait if my suggestion is already implemented in the test version wouldn't it be a flag instead of a bluecheck
radiant meadow
the original got a flag
frail mantle
ah
radiant meadow
zealous ridge
alright, looking for weird discrepancies on the wiki, and idk if this is a wiki problem or an ingame problem (if it could even be considered a problem in the first place)
so the light-dark spiky ball (i dont know how to spell it) is post-mech, but is crafted at an iron anvil
radiant meadow
will fix nychthemeron
green pumice
ask for wiki contrib if you wanna help wkth wiki
zealous ridge
alrighty nice
queen delta
you now have wiki contrib
zealous ridge
wh uh
hollow shell
Hand em out like candy
radiant meadow
it's not a wiki discrepancy because it's like that in game
but I doubt it was intended
sand umbra
ngl I don't understand Nych specifically being post-1-mech when all the other light-dark weps are pre-Hardmode-boss
sand umbra
I want to understand anyway
green pumice
radiant meadow
because that's what the description said
you can also tell, that not all the spiky balls were programmed by the same person
given how Nychthemeron retreats to the player whereas others disappear on right click
hollow shell
Can I just mention that Nychthemeron is the best spiky ball, by the way
hollow shell
radiant meadow
nychthemeron uses a mythril anvil next update
hollow shell
It's little details like this that make our country so great
radiant meadow
that's a thing?
zealous ridge
tf why does forbidden saber need an iron anvil too
radiant meadow
I tried to
and then the ones I made had a fucking spaz attack
so I scrapped the idea
hollow shell
Aight
radiant meadow
all forbidden stuff should use a mythril anvil
hollow shell
Forsaken Saber is even funnier because there's Adamantite/Titanium in the recipe
zealous ridge
arid artifact too
radiant meadow
fixed forsaken saber
zealous ridge
idk if this is the best place to even be mentioning this stuff regardless
i mean, i guess its really smol stuff
hollow shell
m
radiant meadow
it really belongs in bugs
hollow shell
Ehhhh
radiant meadow
but I fixed arid artifact too
radiant meadow
oversights are bugs
hollow shell
It's like
potentially suggestible material but it's [Very Low Effort] so it just gets fixed on the spot
zealous ridge
so like its in a gray area i suppose
radiant meadow
it doesn't matter too much I guess
lost agate
(oversights are also bugs btw)
radiant meadow
well, I need more stuff to do because there's no more planned weapons I can program
hollow shell
Heh
radiant meadow
bar stuff from [REDACTED]
lost agate
(go make crystyl alt fire charge up iirc)
zealous ridge
yeah, ill bring any other discrepancies i find to bugs
i dont wanna flood this place
low salmon
Flood it so the devs can part it like Moses.
zealous ridge
versed tundra
If oversights are bugs and a bug, by definition is a programming oversight, then the two terms are synonimes?
teal ibex
its squares and rectangles. all bugs are oversights but not all oversights are bugs
cobalt rose
exactly.
hollow shell
The definition of oversight could get a bit muddy, too
Is insufficient testing resulting in a weapon being too strong/weak considered an "oversight" on the testers'/programmers' part?
hollow shell
You could considering that an oversight, yes
But it definitely wouldn't belong in #bugs-read-pins
lost agate
Kelvin 
mighty knot
Permanent Minion Slot Upgrades
Considering we already have permanent upgrades for life, mana, rage, and adrenaline, I don't see why minion slots are exempt from this rule, considering they are similar in nature to mana. The fact that Calamity turns Summoner into more than a side class gives this a lot more reason for addition. Since all mod-added upgrades to these things are dropped from bosses or only accessible at a certain point in the game, I'd assume it would apply to minion slots, too.
what do y'all think
is it on the stat meter or something
hollow shell
Summoner proficiency.
keen geyser
yeah
hollow shell
That is permanent.
mighty knot
oh
keen geyser
proficiency gives up to 3(?) slots
mighty knot
that should be fine
queen delta
3 yeah
mighty knot
never mind then
keen geyser
level 6, 11 and 15
karmic stone
Proficiency is most important to Summoner of all classes precisely because of this
Oh ok
hollow shell
yeah proficiency is disproportionately powerful for summoners
versed tundra
As a ranger I get more level ups in summoner than ranged
queen delta
Honestly, summoner proficiency should be either nerfed or made harder to get
Cuz of how summoners are, you could reach level 15 extremely quickly
Hell, I got level 6 before even killing skeletron on my summoner pt
keen geyser
i almost always get level 6 pre-hm
tired haven
Summoners indeed have a few aces in the hand including proficiency
I don't really think it should be made much harder, imho it should just be suppressed if you use other classes
So you don't have 3 levels ahead in summoner from 1 random minion while actively using rogue
queen delta
Even pure summoner, it should still be harder to level up
keen geyser
maybe if you level a class up to level 3 proficiency it'd lock you out of gaining other proficiencies?
queen delta
Like, maybe instead of 15k points, it could use 22.5k or 30k even
And as for summoners early game/early hardmode, that really falls on the minions themselves
Theyre always either incredibly dumb or incredibly slow
Deepsea staff is perfectly capable of doing good dps to skeletron prime but its slow as hell
Minions need a better speed boost and damage, not better stats from armors and proficiency
void kelp
maybe make those changes when summoner overhaul/expansion happens?
queen delta
Theres no need to wait for a summoner overhaul
keen geyser
is summoner even getting an overhaul
radiant meadow
deepsea staff uses a vanilla AI
void kelp
ah
radiant meadow
the same as spazmaminis
tired haven
There is one little impossibruh question: is there any global way to speed up summons or it's bound to become bug bait?
extra.update 2 on slime 
versed tundra
I don't think players should be limited to a class: if you want to play with all weapons in one playthrough, why couldn't you?
Having proficiency rewards you for you fidelity, but you can just max-out everything with enough time and dedication
Some sets, even in vanilla already promote dual-classing
The astral armor does even better, being for everyone
hallow kraken
if we could speed up summons then maybe, just maybe, amalgam could be usable
tired haven
Summoner is kind of a special case because it's incredible for providing free fire power
Any other class you have to switch to and actually put effort (with a few exceptions), plus with severe penalties of gear
versed tundra
summoner isn't nerfed as soon as you pull-out your pickaxe or building blocks, which is great
tired haven
Yeah, indeed
lost agate
Spoiler alert, which i have probably said like 5 times by now
Summoner very probably isnt getting a dedicated update like rogue
and well about summoner speed, a sugg of mine about 2 of them already reached 90 sooooo
And yes it has proven to be quite a important stat in minions
See: Sandnado
I dont think theres a way to make shit be like "Gives 20% more minion speed" without some finnicky working and lack of mod compat
radiant meadow
it can't be done globally
it would have to be individually within our minion files
lost agate
It could be done with a variable on player multiplied by whatever value you want
But that means changing all of our summons to account for this, and even then it wouldnt work for other mods
Ofc the easy solution is just changing extra updates, but that would either make them extremely faster on barely faster
And potentially breaking some of the ai
radiant meadow
several AIs adjust extraupdates within their files
see over half of the charging minions
karmic stone
Is this doable
hearty yew
@pure dove Jukebox mod I believe either does this or something similar.
gusty geode
Never thought to ask before now
Spirit also has an infection-style biome
Is the AI compatible with it or others? So one can infect blocks from the other?
If not would suggesting that be the case be a good idea?
sand umbra
isn't Spirit dead
hollow shell
Well, I don't think them being able to naturally spread over each other is a good idea
Clentamination, however, would be nice compatiblity
Would save on some Green Solution.
gusty geode
That's what I'm getting at, yeah
hollow shell
That's not really how I would've worded that
because that looks like...
natural infection
radiant meadow
I would have to add the compatibility manually with a weak reference
and in order to convert it back, it'd have to be done on spirit's end
or convert it to green then to spirit
@honest crane coming next update
honest crane
Oh OK I didn't know
radiant meadow
ye, it's not something people usually ask for
because they're too busy asking for boss checklist support
warm tinsel
Ngl, I will stick with calling it Calamimode, sounds great
hollow shell
I beg to differ
void kelp
consider: post-ML
loud steeple
How bout call it true calamity?
Since the word calamity has a chaos like meaning and we can all agree post ml is chaotic?
hollow shell
"Post-Moon Lord" works fine, and is honestly clearer than "Hardmode"
Not if you've been playing Terraria for a long time, of course. I'm just referring to the raw words
radiant meadow
I don't see why it needs a "special name"
void kelp
^^
radiant meadow
it's literally pointless especially since it would only appear on the wiki
tired haven
I think it should be something that is native to community, and post-Moon Lord is already standard choice
unique vector
why would you need to suggest it as a name
tired haven
Plus it allows to keep consistent with other mods in terms of progression, not calling Tremode = Calamode = Thorimode
unique vector
thats like suggesting the term clone to not be used anymore bc its "confusing"
its a community-tied term, not an ingame thing that devs can change by fixing some code
i see zero point in suggesting it, or in the name change at all
want to call it that yourself? go right on ahead
a term is a term, simple
lost agate
making infection convert to other modded biomes definitely is not that simple
sand umbra
...if I may
does the Astral Infection tileset have all those conversion sets that things like the Clentaminator's conversion code use set up
lost agate
wdym
sand umbra
e.g. TileID.Sets.Conversion.Stone[type]
lost agate
im not sure
even if it does we had to put all the shit astral converts in a switch statement and vice versa
so if its stone change to this, if its leaves wall change to astral leave walls, if its green solution touching astral sand make it normal sand
pretty much like that
sand umbra
hollow idol
@ashen warren das a chain suggestion
cobalt rose
chaining suggestions 
hollow idol
it would be better to ping the creator of the og suggestion for them to edit it
hallow kraken
so can someone translate that last sug to be understandable
foggy plover
make turning vanity off on a music box in accessories turn off the music that plays from it
foggy plover
I mean its pretty minor, but if you got persay warding on your box its pretty nice to put on instantly
karmic stone
Jukebox mod I believe either does this or something similar.
And the discussion ended there :echcrunk:
hollow shell
oof chain
@ashen warren Read the "Don'ts" document in pins, that kind of suggestion isn't allowed
You should ping Jasoon in this channel with your idea to add to his, instead of writing a separate one
ashen warren
oh my bad
hallow kraken
29 minutes after ping, better than disappearing I guess
lost agate
tropic yoke
What would happen if I suggested "More Post-Moon Lord Summon Weapons"?
tropic yoke
hmmmm
sand umbra
aren't there like at least half a dozen new summons in the next update at this point
tropic yoke
idfk
hallow kraken
Hopefully
tropic yoke
There's only 7 post-ML summon weapons with Calamity.
10 if you count sentries.
But sentrie r bad
hallow kraken
If there won’t be any summons for p1 yharon next update I will eat my socks
sand umbra
all three of those sentries are bad so like
tropic yoke
Name the 3 I was talking about.
Gamre
sand umbra
Lunar Portal, Rainbow Crystal, and Energy.
tropic yoke
lul
hallow kraken
post golem is a meme for summoners
tropic yoke
I'm gonna suggest some sort of craftable summon
rapid pivot
can't suggest specific items
sand umbra
post-Golem Summoner is the toppest of keks
until you realize that Staff of Earth is a magic wep
tropic yoke
Even "Add another craftable Post-DoG summon weapon"
hallow kraken
butterfly
rapid pivot
but my next run if I ever complete Melee will be a summon run
(so I can say I've beaten Calamity on Rev with all classes)
tropic yoke
Let's get back on-topic before the mods smite us.
hallow kraken
I just don’t think it’s worth suggesting to add more weapons when it’s been confirmed that more are coming soon
tropic yoke
How soon is soon?
rapid pivot
eeeeeeeh
sand umbra
if that Staff of the Frost Hydra upgrade we agreed on ain't one of 'em I swear to god
rapid pivot
i'd disagree
it isn't worthwhile to just suggest 'add moar weapons'
it might be worthwhile to suggest 'add more weapons of a specific type at this specific point in the game, because X'
the second is useful to devs, imo; the first is not
sand umbra
And saying "add an upgrade to X weapon at Y tier" or "move X weapon to Y tier" for the reason of Z is just as helpful.
I fail to see what the issue is with suggesting that a craftable post-DoG summon, with no specifics given about it, be added.
hallow kraken
Alright then
sand umbra
I'd still wait until next update drops, though. We got no clue if that Frost Hydra upgrade's gettin' in yet.
hallow kraken
sentry summon meme
sand umbra
And even if it doesn't, one of the other various new summons comin' this update might finally provide a viable Mechworm alternative either way.
tropic yoke
But it's "might"
sand umbra
It's the possibility.
tropic yoke
ik
sand umbra
Better to save yourself and everyone else the trouble than to have a dev get mad for suggesting they do somethin' that's already happening.
hollow shell
hi
sand umbra
Hey, Rover. o/
tropic yoke
@hollow shell
hallow kraken
Wait don’t ping
rapid pivot
kindly don't
hallow kraken
Heck
tropic yoke
lmao
hollow shell
tropic yoke
Are there more summon weapons post-DoG begin added?
hollow shell
There's a fuckton of summon weapons in the early-planning phase, and a few in the upcoming-planning phase
lemme go check the latter
sand umbra
It does. One of the few things I know for certain about how Calamity development operates.
rapid pivot
gonna guess it's not public for a reason?
sand umbra
Trello is a neat little site that lets you make...almost kinda like a to-do board.
hollow shell
Yeah there's a bunch of dev Trellos
rapid pivot
Ye, loads of games use it.
hollow shell
Like, 10
sand umbra
Jesus.
tropic yoke
That's, like, more than 7
sand umbra
And here I thought splitting dev docs into like 5 different better-organized docs was overdoing it at first.
tropic yoke
Remember that one time all of my suggestions were items?
sand umbra
what are these 
sand umbra
okay mr. holmes
rapid pivot
oh, yeah, you
hallow kraken
green fire sword
rapid pivot
you made an awful lot of specific item suggs
sand umbra
now you wanna tell me what they were supposed to be for
tropic yoke
sulphurus sea meme
rapid pivot
and made detailed explanations of them all
sand umbra
ah. intriguing.
hollow shell
oh pff
There's only 1 post-DoG summon weapon in the early-planning phase
tropic yoke
WHAT
REEEE
hollow shell
and uhh
1 summon weapon coming in the next update that's slightly before post-DoG
tropic yoke
Before post-DoG
rapid pivot
starting to be glad I decided to go with melee and not sum for this run
ashen warren
oi vectix
tropic yoke
oi
sand umbra
Staff of the Bugworm just keeps reigning supreme
tropic yoke
The only suggestion that ever got in that I made was ambient abyss tiles.
This is a RIP.
hollow shell
We've got like 8ish upcoming summon weapons in other tiers
and, like I said, a ton in early planning
tropic yoke
Please tell me one of them is a wulfrum drone.
cobalt rose
no.
hollow shell
m
tropic yoke
What a chad move
ashen warren
i would like a wulfrum drone as a summon
lost agate
Im not entirely sure if the staff of hydra upgrade will make it in time
ashen warren
that would be cool
lost agate
i have yet to fully develop the idea and theres no sprite for it
tropic yoke
Imagine literally being a dev.
cobalt rose
too bad
you get wulfrum dust instead
ashen warren
tropic yoke
You need sprote?
ashen warren
tropic yoke
I have spront
hollow shell
(I don't know if the Hydra thing is anywhere in planning except word of mouth)
hollow shell
it's a term, yknow. people still say it
tropic yoke
How many fuckin' devs does calamity have?
sand umbra
Im not entirely sure if the staff of hydra upgrade will make it in time
big pensive hours
hollow shell
Also testers bring it to like 40ish
tropic yoke
'O-O
sand umbra
...thirty developers
tropic yoke
BTW Shadows of Abbadon is gonna start giving you guys a run for your money.
Just warnin' ya'.
sand umbra
Jesus, that's a indepentent game development company's worth. I can't imagine ending up with half that amount of people working on the same project, really.
How the hell do you all come to an agreement on things? 
tropic yoke
They don't.
hollow shell
Uhh we've got some systematized things
Sprite acceptance and suggestion approval/rejections are based on voting
They both used to be based on personal responses and conversations but things were getting lost too often or rendered ineffective, especially in the sprite department
so, we did reaction votes instead
Things're goin a lot smoother
hollow shell
If you wanna do sprite things and submit em to Calamity, get in the art server
hollow shell
Right lol, forgot about that
tropic yoke
Every few months I come back here asking to be let back in, or at least for a compromise or something, but no one ever gets back to me ._.
hollow shell
DMed mods/admins about it?
tropic yoke
ye
hollow shell
Dang
tropic yoke
Might end up just getting someone to share art for me.
Or does that count as an alt or somethin'
hollow shell
Dunno. We've had middle-men submitters before but the situations were confusing and I'm not sure if any of the original creators were banned
tropic yoke
Epic.
Imagine being allowed in the fuckin' art server.
If I make a suggestion and it gets 90+ stars, can I come back in?
wtv gamers, gotta scram.
See you all later!
hollow shell
Cya
lost agate
Staff of hydra upgrade is just smth i wanna make
If people like the concept and make a sprite then nice
Kind of like how vai made some sprites for some suggestions
worthy fiber
Give it a shot, I'd say
hollow idol
what is car
still cliff
Idk
ashen warren
@sinful violet 
sinful violet
aAAA
there
leave me alone im in a car
yes that's a funny coincidence haha go away
i just searched "bluec" and that's as far as i got and misclicked
distant gyro
nice
still cliff
It is my belief that astral furniture should be a thing :P
sinful violet
It is objective fact that it's been delivered before and is being worked on :P
ashen warren
amazing
hollow idol
I kinda assumed the reaction had to do with delivery
zenith hazel
what's with the armored digger suggestions lately tbh
gusty geode
Mild inconvenience = bad game design plz fix
Apparently
distant gyro
too much armored diggers
gusty geode
Armored Digger suggestions are becoming almost as common as the Armored Diggers themselves
ashen warren
lmao
gusty geode
In all seriousness
Weren't they made post-Plantera in an attempt to fix this issue
Since what're you gonna be doing in that area at that point anyway
hollow idol
whats even up with normal worm enemy spawns anyways, first it was with the Ungodly Serpent and now Armored Digger
hollow shell
Abyss and SS worms spawn fine
iirc Armored Digger needs the message in order for the healthbar to work properly
so you don't get those errors where it shows the name and health of a Mouse
gusty geode
Might be because those aren't worms
distant gyro
there might be something with worms
distant gyro
eido wyrm awakens on CS triggers
sand umbra
even so, they don't "awaken" when spawning naturally post-Polterghast yet the healthbar still yesses in just fine for them iirc
verbal forge
Doesn't the Digger just drop the triple mech boss thing
distant gyro
yes
sand umbra
yes
which personally I believe would be better suited to Aureus than some random memchanical worm but that's another topic
verbal forge
Maybe they'd be less of a hassle if they dropped literally anything else
hollow shell
Ye Thomas the issue is because its a worm
distant gyro
dangle forced worm spawns
sand umbra
it always comes back to worm memes
hollow shell
I'm not sure about AEW's case
when naturally spawned, that is
distant gyro
AEW doesn't have a healthbar when naturally spawned
verbal forge
Calamity made worms cool
for the most part at least
distant gyro
just like AS
hollow shell
I mean, upon angering
hollow shell
I guess it'd be fine cuz all the segment NPCs are already loaded
rather than making the healthbar appear as the worm is loading in, potentially confusing it
iunno
never knew the fine details of the issue.
bright mountain
Have achievements been added yet
hollow idol
no
hallow kraken
flag gang
keen geyser
Buff The Amalgam or move it earlier in progression so it actually serves a purpose
The Amalgam is an accessory that doesn't benefit the player unless the world is literally completely submerged in water. All it really is is a glorified emblem with a fungal clump and in comparison to the other accessories available at that stage it is simply not worth using.
Has this been suggested too many times already by chance?
keen geyser
is it a bad/invalid sugg, or would it be fine to throw out there
radiant meadow
it's not bad/invalid
@sand umbra consider betsy's curse immunity removed from:
cryogen, brimmy, brimlings, clone, her brothers, clone soul seekers, siren, levi, aureus, pbg, and ravager and its limbs
woeful ginkgo
I also did made a suggestion about how weak Betsy's wrath was but I didn't get any news from it
toxic kettle
There was some talk about higher-tier upgrades to Betsy's Wrath that would make the debuff viable even post-Moon Lord, is that not going to be considered (yet)?
keen geyser
it's a rare item variant
zenith hazel
that recipe isn’t from calamity
bitter topaz
^
RIV & not a calam recipe
zenith hazel
even then, it’s way too cheap
keen geyser
maybe betsy will finally be worth killing
still cliff
Didn't the arbalest have a crafting recipe?
radiant meadow
no
zenith hazel
Fargo’s stuff, not calamity