#suggestions-discussion | Calamity Mod Discord | Page 766

sacred imp Jan 16, 2020, 11:44 PM

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Sorry about the suggestion. Next time, I will research more

hollow shell Jan 16, 2020, 11:45 PM

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Alright
I'll remove it.

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Unlimited Mana was the big issue.

rapid pivot Jan 17, 2020, 1:12 AM

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hm

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thinkin' that maybe statis' belt of curses could be tweaked a lil

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it's kind of weird that it grants rogue bonuses

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or, maybe, just flat-out removing the ornate shield

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like, sure, people are suggesting a rework, but it's being suggested because for all intents and purposes, it basically adds nothing to the mod

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just crafting fodder

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 1:19 AM

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its getting some effects already

rapid pivot Jan 17, 2020, 1:20 AM

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oh?

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 1:20 AM

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and statis curse also has something planned

rapid pivot Jan 17, 2020, 1:20 AM

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hm, a'ight then, thanks.

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 1:20 AM

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basically both of the things you said are already being thought about/being changed

rapid pivot Jan 17, 2020, 1:21 AM

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a'ight, fair enough

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any word on what they might be?

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or is it not final yet?

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 1:21 AM

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its mostly ideas rn

rapid pivot Jan 17, 2020, 1:21 AM

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ah.

radiant meadow Jan 17, 2020, 1:21 AM

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ornate shield will give some stat bonuses if you wear daedalus armor

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statis' belt line isn't any finalized ideas

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hmm, yes, I should make necklace do something

civic pond Jan 17, 2020, 1:26 AM

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something

hollow shell Jan 17, 2020, 1:26 AM

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Smooth life-ratio-to-damage, with a max of 20%?
So that you have the big boost for less long but the biggest boost is quite high?

split narwhal Jan 17, 2020, 1:26 AM

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Or give the buff on hit for a few seconds

rapid pivot Jan 17, 2020, 1:27 AM

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maybe it could grant a discount version of the demonshade enrage effect?

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it is the necklace of vexation

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 1:32 AM

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as long as the result doesn't make it a direct downgrade of the item it's crafted from

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otherwise it might as well just be a normal Perennial Bar craft with no other mats in the way

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hahayes

split narwhal Jan 17, 2020, 1:33 AM

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avenger emblem>necklace atm

radiant pivot Jan 17, 2020, 1:37 AM

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Is there like, any way for people to realize that this is written in the pins? Lmao

📎 Screenshot_20200116-203652_Discord.jpg

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I just kinda see it happen all the time oop

vocal grotto Jan 17, 2020, 1:38 AM

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It's usually used as a means of saying that someone disagrees with a sug nowadays

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That rule isn't really enforced

cobalt rose Jan 17, 2020, 1:38 AM

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you act like most people actually read pins LeviKek

hollow shell Jan 17, 2020, 1:40 AM

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speaking of rules

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@fierce hedge You ever gonna edit your sugg?

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Previous ping: https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/667019770746634242

wary canyon Jan 17, 2020, 2:59 AM

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yknow what would be cool

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a grappling hook that just kinda yeets you if you use it on a platform

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more like spider-man's web than a grappling hook

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like you keep the momentum from grappling and just go flying in whatever direction you were going

unborn light Jan 17, 2020, 3:03 AM

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that kinda very cool

hollow shell Jan 17, 2020, 3:07 AM

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Would be cool but you should be able to provide some good reasons for it beyond the "cool"

hollow saffron Jan 17, 2020, 3:15 AM

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could provide for some interesting boss fighting tactics

ancient crow Jan 17, 2020, 3:15 AM

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i mean you can kinda do that already if you unhook in time

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but it doesnt give huge amounts of momentum

loud steeple Jan 17, 2020, 3:19 AM

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Though it is really helpful at the start of the game if you got hermes boots

radiant pivot Jan 17, 2020, 3:45 AM

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I would vote for that yeet hook suggestion tho

ancient crow Jan 17, 2020, 4:03 AM

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maybe have it be a Web Slinger upgrade?

radiant pivot Jan 17, 2020, 4:09 AM

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👀 maybe

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 4:44 AM

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Welp i dont think i have anything else to suggest

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All the other instant upgrades are either unimportant or from vanilla, and i havent found anything worth suggesting in my pt

hollow shell Jan 17, 2020, 4:45 AM

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What're the 'unimportant' ones?

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 4:46 AM

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Accesories mainly

radiant meadow Jan 17, 2020, 4:46 AM

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like the entire frostspark boots tree?

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 4:46 AM

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Yeah as i said, its either unimportant or from vanilla

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And removing the instant upgrades of accesories is an iffy subject since well...

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Tinkerer workshop's whole deal is causing instant upgrades

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Since its meant to just be a station to mix accesories with nothing else in the recipe others than the accesories

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So yeah i dont think i have any more suggestions until i find something odd in my pt

umbral mulch Jan 17, 2020, 4:55 AM

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I don't really see how instant upgrades are a big deal unless it's 2 or 3 all at once

hollow shell Jan 17, 2020, 4:59 AM

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Because the initial item has no reason to exist

umbral mulch Jan 17, 2020, 5:00 AM

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I think it'd be a little wierd if I got a phoenix blaster from a dungeon chest instead of a handgun

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 5:00 AM

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Phoenix Blaster makes Handgun entirely irrelevant, though

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(although, admittedly, that one's a bit iffy since pre-Hardmode progression is much more loosely defined than most other points in the game)

umbral mulch Jan 17, 2020, 5:01 AM

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There's so many items in the game that are irrelevant that I don't even know what ones to list for examples

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 5:02 AM

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~~Frost Staff and its Crystal Flare Staff upgrade, for starters~~

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HyperFailure

umbral mulch Jan 17, 2020, 5:02 AM

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Either way it's almost a garauntee some items are useless in comparison when there's this many

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And there's a lot of weapons that are pretty irrelevant in calamity

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 5:03 AM

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Laser Rifle literally just takes 7 Victory Shards and a Hardmode Anvil to become the Lazinator

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 5:03 AM

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Its not about irrelevancy

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 5:03 AM

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the Conclave Crossfire --- and the Conference Crutch, for that matter --- can be obtained at the exact same point, in the exact same place, as the Tactical Shotgun

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 5:03 AM

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Its about one weapon inmediately being able to turn into another ine

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 5:03 AM

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all three are the same type of weapon, by the way CompleteFailure

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 5:04 AM

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Theyre shotguns yes

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 5:04 AM

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lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 5:04 AM

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Cuz why wouldnt an upgrade to a shotgun be a shotgun

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But thats not the point

umbral mulch Jan 17, 2020, 5:05 AM

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Either way I don't have a problem with it

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 5:05 AM

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I suppose that's my problem with it, mainly --- weapons that, on the exact same tier with insufficient effort to justify it, can be upgraded into better variants near-instantly

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~~bonus points if these weapons by technicality are not actually upgrades~~

umbral mulch Jan 17, 2020, 5:05 AM

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It makes pretty good sense to have some item upgrades to be broken up the way they are

opal silo Jan 17, 2020, 5:06 AM

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Is this about the vile thorn suggestion?

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Not vile thorn vile shard

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 5:06 AM

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The vile wat

opal silo Jan 17, 2020, 5:06 AM

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Or whatever it's called

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 5:06 AM

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Crystal Vile Shard moments

opal silo Jan 17, 2020, 5:07 AM

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The crystall vile thorn thinfy

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 5:07 AM

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Ah no its just like in general

opal silo Jan 17, 2020, 5:07 AM

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Ok

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 5:07 AM

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I already made 2 suggs about this kind of thing

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And im not really willing to touch anything else

opal silo Jan 17, 2020, 5:08 AM

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I think this is about 2 types of game making one
Slapping so much stuff that the original stuff doesn't matter
And two actually trying to make everything have a place

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Both have their merits of course

hollow shell Jan 17, 2020, 5:09 AM

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I do think powercreep could be a part of it
When the Calamity weapons were originally made, they were just Calamity asserting itself over vanilla shit with things we could control and were (arguably) more interesting

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 5:09 AM

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I mean

opal silo Jan 17, 2020, 5:09 AM

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Ya so slapping more stuff on and making the past stuff irrelevant

hollow shell Jan 17, 2020, 5:10 AM

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'Oh hey this is a weapon
Lets do that but cooler, and you can upgrade to it immediately!'

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 5:10 AM

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It probably was made cuz fab didnt know how to buff vanilla stuff back then

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Just a guess

opal silo Jan 17, 2020, 5:10 AM

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The crystal vile thorn sugg was made with the assumption that people actually used the crystal vile thorn

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 5:11 AM

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Well they should

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Because calamity literally buffs it

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 5:11 AM

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HDfailure

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 5:11 AM

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As i mentioned in the sugg

opal silo Jan 17, 2020, 5:12 AM

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Ya but there's a better version of it so why would people use it that's the point

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 5:12 AM

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Thats.... Exactly the point of the sugg

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Why is there smth instantly available thats all around better

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Even when calamity does the effort to make vile shard worth it

opal silo Jan 17, 2020, 5:14 AM

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Vile shard can be buffed even more and push back the better version or it can live in the darkness of being "worse version of other thing"

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 5:14 AM

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Or.... We could do what i suggested

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Which got accepted and im planning to implement already

opal silo Jan 17, 2020, 5:15 AM

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Ok

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 5:15 AM

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nice HyperFailure

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 5:15 AM

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So i dont see what the argument here is

hollow shell Jan 17, 2020, 5:16 AM

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I don't think there is an argument
I think DiCiorno was just clarifying and restating the entire time . _.

opal silo Jan 17, 2020, 5:16 AM

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Im lost too

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Ah ok

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 5:17 AM

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Well ok then

opal silo Jan 17, 2020, 5:17 AM

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All's well it end well then

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 5:18 AM

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I dont exactly know if vile shard really needs another buff since i havent tried it

opal silo Jan 17, 2020, 5:19 AM

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Try it on destroyer if your gonna try it out thats what most players would use it on if they used it

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 5:19 AM

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I'll try when i get there

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Rn im barely past EoC

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Cuz early game is just slow as hell

opal silo Jan 17, 2020, 5:20 AM

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Ok

hallow hatch Jan 17, 2020, 5:22 AM

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Vileshard against DoG CompleteFailure

fierce hedge Jan 17, 2020, 5:47 AM

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@hollow shell edited.

hollow shell Jan 17, 2020, 5:47 AM

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Thank you sir

fierce hedge Jan 17, 2020, 5:48 AM

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Yw yw YharimDance

radiant meadow Jan 17, 2020, 11:19 AM

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iirc crystal vile shard memed on AS, but that was before pierce resist

zenith hazel Jan 17, 2020, 12:22 PM

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~~this almost hit discord's message limit, woo~~

radiant meadow Jan 17, 2020, 12:23 PM

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Warn for spam

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HyperFailure

zenith hazel Jan 17, 2020, 12:23 PM

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try me binch

opal barn Jan 17, 2020, 12:23 PM

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warn for toxic behavior

zenith hazel Jan 17, 2020, 12:23 PM

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warn for offtopic

radiant meadow Jan 17, 2020, 12:25 PM

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I completed this https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/477611995609301030
There, on topic CompleteFailure

zenith hazel Jan 17, 2020, 12:25 PM

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only took a year and a half

radiant meadow Jan 17, 2020, 12:26 PM

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There was a big gap between spriting and programming

zenith hazel Jan 17, 2020, 12:26 PM

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yeah but I can’t believe you even knew this existed considering it’s from 2018 lole

radiant meadow Jan 17, 2020, 12:26 PM

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I was digging through Vai's pics

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Apparently, she sprited it for that suggestion over a year ago

zenith hazel Jan 17, 2020, 12:27 PM

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that’s fair

radiant meadow Jan 17, 2020, 12:27 PM

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Naturally, I thought yes I should do that

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@ivory gull kind of a meme ping but not really, your suggestion has been completed for next update
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/477611995609301030

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HyperFailure

void kelp Jan 17, 2020, 12:32 PM

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~~did you enjoy your vacation at least, brav~~

distant gyro Jan 17, 2020, 1:16 PM

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revealing possessed hatchet 2.0 moment

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(I have flagged a few haven't told which ones... yet)

distant gyro Jan 17, 2020, 2:45 PM

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... I don't think that's the right place to put the interludes

swift wadi Jan 17, 2020, 2:45 PM

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Pretty sure suggesting ways to put Interlude themes in the game is in the Don'ts doc

terse sundial Jan 17, 2020, 2:45 PM

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In the don't

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yea

night cradle Jan 17, 2020, 2:45 PM

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yeah

terse sundial Jan 17, 2020, 2:45 PM

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@ashen warren adding the interlude themes is in the suggestion don'ts

ashen warren Jan 17, 2020, 2:45 PM

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ok

distant gyro Jan 17, 2020, 2:46 PM

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some music are sacrificed

terse sundial Jan 17, 2020, 3:10 PM

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another one
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/614287772232056832 @brittle bane dev_complete

queen delta Jan 17, 2020, 3:12 PM

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Finally

ashen warren Jan 17, 2020, 3:16 PM

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BanditHueh

queen delta Jan 17, 2020, 3:19 PM

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Now i have more reason to use PSA for nohits

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 3:57 PM

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I have been ponged

versed tundra Jan 17, 2020, 4:00 PM

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yes because of the SUGG recap

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 4:14 PM

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Ye

gusty geode Jan 17, 2020, 4:55 PM

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So
Would it be a stretch to say accs that activate at low health are useless because you're not supposed to get hit

radiant meadow Jan 17, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Depends on how low

tired haven Jan 17, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Probably not but BanditHueh

radiant meadow Jan 17, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Like under 5%, yes

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Under 25% isn't really useless

tired haven Jan 17, 2020, 4:57 PM

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Generally even 50% is a tad too low because you are asking to be killed

radiant meadow Jan 17, 2020, 4:57 PM

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Unless that's all the acc does

hallow kraken Jan 17, 2020, 4:57 PM

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+10 defense when you’re a hit from death

umbral mulch Jan 17, 2020, 4:57 PM

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Any accessory that requires you to be remotely low is a bad accessory automatically imo

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Unless you get defense that's bonkers broken it's never even gonna be worth it

tired haven Jan 17, 2020, 5:02 PM

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Well, see
Dark souls. Everyone is obsessed with red tearstone ring. But there are 2 key cases (or even 3, in fact)

The ring gives quite unique attack buff, you don't regularly have weaker but stable alternatives here unlike Terraria (ofc there are some but they usually have another condition)
In DS you can dodge virtually everything for indefinite amount of time. Terraria is gonna slap you with mild rng and wack controls from time to time
And the most overlooked fact, in dark souls you stay at one health level infinitely. In Terraria you have natural regen, regen buffs, and even enemy hearts that are picked up automatically. Thus, you constantly have to get hit to ensure you are in the bonus area, and that is asking for being combo'ed

umbral mulch Jan 17, 2020, 5:02 PM

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~~Red tearstone isn't even that good imo but ye~~

tired haven Jan 17, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Closest case I could imagine is using Omega Blue, Fishron mount, and replacing all the accs with health % dependant, and then proceed to somehow lowkey nohit DoG or such

umbral mulch Jan 17, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Yeah

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And even then you'll pick up hearts from DoG's first phase death

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It's really difficult to keep an HP value in terraria

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~~And in yharon other shit's probably gonna spawn and drop hearts here and there~~

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 6:08 PM

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i think something like "receiving x amount of dmg actives an effect for some amount of time" would probably go more places

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Kind of like limit breaks in some rpg games

queen sail Jan 17, 2020, 7:23 PM

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I’m gonna ask beforehand

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Has anyone who fought Rev DoG found the cosmic guardians to be of any notable threat

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thonk

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 7:27 PM

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no

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...well, actually, it depends

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DoG's fight pretty much mandates a piercing weapon for all the wrong reasons

low salmon Jan 17, 2020, 7:28 PM

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I've done just fine bashing him down with a SDMG/SDFMG and holy fire bullets...

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 7:29 PM

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and it's because of those little shits
if you have a piercing wep such as Dank Spank or Valedictatorship, they die in .2 milliseconds
then you have non-piercing weapons such as SAC, Seadragon, and the like which take much longer to kill the same opponent

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(Ranger actually has a sizable disadvantage here as a majority of ranged weaponry at this point in the game doesn't exactly pierce)

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I mean, Elysian Arrows can still keep things like Daemon's Flame fairly functional, but ultimately this isn't the point here

it's just. why do Cosmic Guardians exist, exactly?

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they're either way too much of a threat or very nearly none at all

low salmon Jan 17, 2020, 7:31 PM

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Yeah...

queen sail Jan 17, 2020, 7:31 PM

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Flavor probably

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 7:31 PM

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you already used that card on debuffs

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hahayes

queen sail Jan 17, 2020, 7:31 PM

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Same reason why we have a fuckton of generic dot debuffs

low salmon Jan 17, 2020, 7:31 PM

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You either are just underneath the threshold to handle DoG and CGs in Rev, or just above, which means CG don't scare you anymore.

queen sail Jan 17, 2020, 7:31 PM

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It can be for the same reason though :echthink:

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 7:32 PM

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I mean yeah but that doesn't make it a good reason CompleteFailure

queen sail Jan 17, 2020, 7:32 PM

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I’m pretty sure that in a couple of nohit videos people immediately switch to Valediction and meme them before going back to their respective weapon

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For 🐶

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 7:32 PM

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...so then they're largely irrelevant anyway

hollow idol Jan 17, 2020, 7:33 PM

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replacement for cloning dog maybe, before phase 2 was added

tired haven Jan 17, 2020, 7:33 PM

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Tbh making use of several weapons throughout the bossfight looks more potent design than holding m1 on some gun

But in case of guardians the difference between optimal and secondary choice is too high, I guess

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 7:34 PM

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I like the idea of having to/encouraging use multiple weapons throughout a boss fight too, don't get me wrong (although I personally don't approve of using such mechanics for testing purposes)

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...but Cosmic Guardians make like two in particular just nullify every other option

queen sail Jan 17, 2020, 7:34 PM

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Well if they replaced the 🐶 🐶 mechanic it didn’t really completely fill the void

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Considering one version lasts for 5 seconds and the other pretty much made the fight last infinitely

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 7:35 PM

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Valediction and Dark Spark exist and Cosmic Guardians just die

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honorable mention:

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Banshee_Hook

queen sail Jan 17, 2020, 7:36 PM

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banshee hook emote

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taxevasion

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 7:36 PM

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TaxEvasion

queen sail Jan 17, 2020, 7:36 PM

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How

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 7:36 PM

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~~skribbl~~

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byeah there are maybe 3 weapons that shine more than anything else for Guardians

queen sail Jan 17, 2020, 7:37 PM

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Valediction shines for a lot of things tbh

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 7:37 PM

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and because the CGs don't share DoG's unique fatass pierce resist, there's no way for them to protect against the piercing onslaught

queen sail Jan 17, 2020, 7:37 PM

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Sooooooo

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I’m guessing they’re there to make the fight “feel more tense”

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 7:37 PM

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they don't really do that job well enough

queen sail Jan 17, 2020, 7:37 PM

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With the pretense of “Oh no, two fast boss servants are after you now”

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 7:38 PM

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give them pierce resist more akin to DoG's, it'll make them actually give Rogue and Mage a hard time

queen sail Jan 17, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Which fails because Nutdictionary meta

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ech

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Ech

queen sail Jan 17, 2020, 7:39 PM

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Honestly I’d rather have DoG do smth else rather than summon cosmic guardians

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They’re easily cheesable atm as they are, what they add to dog’s fight is relatively minimal, and I can’t see much potential that can be taken from them to expand on what they can do

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Like, even if you buff them what else could they possible do to make them more interesting

hollow idol Jan 17, 2020, 7:43 PM

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~~lasers and flamethrower breath~~

gusty geode Jan 17, 2020, 7:44 PM

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Hot take
DoG phase 1 is held up entirely by its sprite and the iconic value of its theme

queen sail Jan 17, 2020, 7:44 PM

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DoG phase 1 is more or less legacy without a backbone

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It was more significant until someone made a giant dog sprite in the spriting channel and fab took it from there

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I guess you could say that phase 2 appearing much more imposing and having an expanded moveset than phase 1 goes with lore saying that dog’s an arrogant dumbass but it doesn’t exactly fix the issue

hollow idol Jan 17, 2020, 7:47 PM

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phase 1 isnt canon tho

queen sail Jan 17, 2020, 7:47 PM

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Soooooo

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Why is it here then

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thonk

gusty geode Jan 17, 2020, 7:47 PM

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Because Scourge of the Universe

hollow idol Jan 17, 2020, 7:47 PM

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just make it a music box smh

queen sail Jan 17, 2020, 7:48 PM

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You could honestly still say that phase 1 exists because dog’s cocky and it would work tbh

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And phase 2 being “Fine, I’ll put effort this time”

gusty geode Jan 17, 2020, 7:48 PM

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I bet you could remove phase 1 entirely and from a gameplay perspective nothing of value would be lost

queen sail Jan 17, 2020, 7:49 PM

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Ig phase 1 is more or less kept for nostalgia value?

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thonk

hollow idol Jan 17, 2020, 7:49 PM

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then the sentinel phase gets axed as well

queen sail Jan 17, 2020, 7:49 PM

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Like it’s very conflicting here

hollow idol Jan 17, 2020, 7:50 PM

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~~DoG phase 1 isnt even anything like what it was when phase 2 was added anyways~~

queen sail Jan 17, 2020, 7:51 PM

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DoG was popular because of the 🐶🐶 mechanic back then

hollow idol Jan 17, 2020, 7:51 PM

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half of its projectiles were removed and it no longer spawns mini worms and stasis probes

queen sail Jan 17, 2020, 7:51 PM

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That and he got a significant promotion from a generic post plant destroyer recolor to a post ml boss

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 7:58 PM

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and a major required one, at that

queen sail Jan 17, 2020, 7:58 PM

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Sooooo

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Is dog phase 1 gonna get anyth new or significant besides “Thought you could escape worms? Not so fast ech ”

hollow idol Jan 17, 2020, 7:59 PM

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~~thats already ruined by sentinel phase~~

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 8:00 PM

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phase 1, I feel, is treated very strangely in the context of the overarching fight

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it's just kinda. there.

queen sail Jan 17, 2020, 8:01 PM

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The fact that it’s apparently noncanon doesn’t help much

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 8:01 PM

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At this point most of the fight is just phase 2's memery.

queen sail Jan 17, 2020, 8:01 PM

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I don’t even know why there was a need to make it noncanon

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Phase 1 isn't particularly tough to tackle and the Sentinels die pretty fast to anything ~~except SAC in my experience but let's not start that firefight again~~ so most of the fight is just "big fat cosmic worm with lasers and fireballs ft. teleporting or some shit".

hollow idol Jan 17, 2020, 8:02 PM

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because gore

queen sail Jan 17, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Phase 1 has no teleport

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No fireballs either

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 8:03 PM

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Isnt uh

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lore getting reworked

queen sail Jan 17, 2020, 8:03 PM

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It’s just “big worm with lasers” p much

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 8:03 PM

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I was referring to phase 2

queen sail Jan 17, 2020, 8:03 PM

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We have no idea on how much the lore is getting reworked

gusty geode Jan 17, 2020, 8:03 PM

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So
Phase 1 might be canon then?

queen sail Jan 17, 2020, 8:03 PM

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@sand umbra oh PensiveCore

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 8:03 PM

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phase 2 is the memorable one

queen sail Jan 17, 2020, 8:04 PM

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Regardless that leaves phase 1 in a weird spot

gusty geode Jan 17, 2020, 8:04 PM

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~~I'm still internally BEGGING that the lore rework kills "game mechanic"~~

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 8:04 PM

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phase 1, to give my two cents, is just kinda there for the Big Bad factor

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which then also leads into an explanation for the Sentinels phase

queen sail Jan 17, 2020, 8:04 PM

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How different would dog be if that one person (forgot who) never made that first massive dog sprite

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thonk

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 8:05 PM

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realistically, only phase 2 actually factors into the lore aspect of the fight
phase 1 is supposedly non-canon and--

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~~fuck~~

jovial spire Jan 17, 2020, 8:05 PM

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Yeah it's mentioned in the lore that sometimes DoG will sometimes let his prey "escape" then tear a hole in reality right where they are after they let their guard down

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well

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was, lore rework

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 8:05 PM

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--you already killed the Sentinels beforehand and that's why DoG is willing to fight your ass in the first place, it even says so in the Sentinels lore item

queen sail Jan 17, 2020, 8:05 PM

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kescpae

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thonk

wooden wedge Jan 17, 2020, 8:06 PM

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escape

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pretty sure celest just had a stroke

queen sail Jan 17, 2020, 8:06 PM

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Basically what I see is

jovial spire Jan 17, 2020, 8:06 PM

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the more i write the worse my spelling gets

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case in point ive been working on the SoA doc

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so my writing is shit

queen sail Jan 17, 2020, 8:07 PM

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“Okay I’m gonna eat this human because even though they look boring as fuck they apparently killed my target, probably won’t need to do much”

jovial spire Jan 17, 2020, 8:08 PM

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Yeah probably more or less what he's thinking

queen sail Jan 17, 2020, 8:08 PM

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“Okay, I guess he wasn’t shittin, you three do whatever the hell you want and I’ll come back later”

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“Hey, I’m back, I’m putting effort this time”

jovial spire Jan 17, 2020, 8:09 PM

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but yeah i don't know why phase 1 wasn't canon but he even did the cop out thing in the lore

queen delta Jan 17, 2020, 8:36 PM

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Uh, so you posted the suggestion a week ago, but it didn’t get enough stars?

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So why post it again?

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 8:39 PM

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~~I fail to see the issue here~~

queen delta Jan 17, 2020, 8:41 PM

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“Not enough people starred my suggestion. Darn, guess I should post again and hope the results are different.”

civic pond Jan 17, 2020, 8:44 PM

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I still fail to see the issue

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i did that and then it got in

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 8:46 PM

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yeah this is far from a first-case scenario

civic pond Jan 17, 2020, 8:47 PM

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~~and trust me, the results can change drastically depending on whos online~~

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 8:47 PM

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it's not against the rules and is perfectly fine to repost a suggestion if it didn't meet the star requirement

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now, if it had met the req and been delivered, and then was posted again? that'd be a different story

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but this suggestion was posted long enough ago for it to be legitimate, it did not reach the star requirement, and the suggestion itself does not break any other rules

indigo fog Jan 17, 2020, 8:53 PM

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In the pinned rules it states that you are allowed to repost a suggestion that didn't get enough stars if it has been at least a week since you posted the suggestion.

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 8:56 PM

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^

radiant meadow Jan 17, 2020, 8:56 PM

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I think the issue is stating that it's a re-suggestion

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which is kinda pointless

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although that's just being nitpicky

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 8:58 PM

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literally everyone states if they're posting a resuggestion though so like

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deepthonk

hollow shell Jan 17, 2020, 8:59 PM

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@queen delta It's a totally acceptable policy

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It's in the rules, you can do that.

queen delta Jan 17, 2020, 8:59 PM

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Aight

tired haven Jan 17, 2020, 9:19 PM

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I guess the difference between "reposted" and "posted a week ago, but the suggestion didn't get enough stars" is quite noticeable, albeit both are fine as stated in rules

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The latter shows more personal approach to the suggestion, with possible consequences

hollow saffron Jan 17, 2020, 9:24 PM

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what are the possible consequences

tired haven Jan 17, 2020, 9:36 PM

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🤷

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Anything emotional side

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Starting from willing to improve suggestion constantly, ending with punishments for aggressive arguments

teal ibex Jan 17, 2020, 9:38 PM

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i also just find it a little weird that if my suggestion isnt great but isnt inherently bad that i could just post it like 4 times a month in desperation

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not that anybody would be likely to do that, but

tired haven Jan 17, 2020, 9:39 PM

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If it didn't receive conclusive reasons on why it won't be implemented but yet didn't reach the goal then the repost is only logical

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It just is that with each repost people want to move it from undefined status and either debunk it completely or finally get it through (less likely)

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 9:57 PM

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How would a "make Seabound Staff's Minion attack a little bit more agressively" suggestion sound?

teal ibex Jan 17, 2020, 10:05 PM

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thats the desert scourge star right?

hollow saffron Jan 17, 2020, 10:09 PM

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wdym by aggresively

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do you mean that it does more damage or that it sticks to enemies longer.?

keen geyser Jan 17, 2020, 10:12 PM

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so that it doesn't sit and do nothing every few seconds?

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yeah I agree

teal ibex Jan 17, 2020, 10:15 PM

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honestly i think either make it more aggressive OR reduce its aggression and allow it to pass through tiles

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i definitely prefer the latter because they are kings of getting stuck underground

zealous ridge Jan 17, 2020, 10:16 PM

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why would that come with a reduction to aggression? because of the extra mobility they'd be granted?

tired haven Jan 17, 2020, 10:17 PM

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Yes?

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 10:23 PM

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or make it both agressive and go through tiles

tired haven Jan 17, 2020, 10:23 PM

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Then you just kinda created herrings

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 10:23 PM

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i mean just slightly more agressive since i really feel like they need it

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i saw my star miss a vulture 3 times so....

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herrings are still quite different

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So do i suggest it?

opal barn Jan 17, 2020, 10:28 PM

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Why does it need to be suggested when you're a dev and people agree

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 10:30 PM

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for the same reason i have suggested 3 other things

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and well not everyone agrees with both things it looks like

teal ibex Jan 17, 2020, 10:43 PM

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p sure devs put things in suggestions to gauge ideas more than anything else really

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its like a secondary function of the suggestions channel

harsh isle Jan 17, 2020, 11:32 PM

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My suggestion from last Sunday, make all boss summons non-consumable in higher difficulties, is almost at the required stars, but it didn't have any discussion here, wondering what people think about it

zealous ridge Jan 17, 2020, 11:32 PM

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idk its kind of one of those "qol" things that in my opinion detracts from a part of the experience of preparing for a boss fight

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remind me which higher difficulties you had in mind, actually

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like, arma?

harsh isle Jan 17, 2020, 11:33 PM

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I was thinking Rev/Death. You still have to prepare once, but it removes the annoying grind on bosses you have to fight several times to learn

gusty geode Jan 17, 2020, 11:34 PM

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Isn't annoying grinding
Kinda a big part of a survival game tho

zealous ridge Jan 17, 2020, 11:34 PM

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well i mean, calling it annoying could be considered inaccurate to some people

gusty geode Jan 17, 2020, 11:35 PM

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Things in survival games take work
So if you wanna do something multiple times
You should have to do the necessary work multiple times

harsh isle Jan 17, 2020, 11:38 PM

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The fun part of bosses is fighting them. Imo, not being able to fight hard bosses because of resources is an unfun mechanic. The fun part of the survival part of Terraria is exploring and gathering resources to make stronger gear. It's not fun having to get the same resources over and over just to get to play the boss fighting part of the game

hallow kraken Jan 17, 2020, 11:39 PM

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~~remember ocram~~

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 11:39 PM

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dual mech skulls moments

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...wait no

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not skulls

gusty geode Jan 17, 2020, 11:39 PM

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~~Eyes~~

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 11:40 PM

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1 skull and two eyes

teal ibex Jan 17, 2020, 11:40 PM

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i think for stuff like plantera its not suitable since it kinda totally defeats the identity of the boss

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arguably same for queen bee

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but like, mech summons are lame and id happily pay a slightly larger price for a non consumable

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 11:40 PM

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mechs in general are p. bruh to fight

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gathering up their summons is far from difficult but by god is it annoying

gusty geode Jan 17, 2020, 11:41 PM

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Also
I don't think it's supposed to be fun
You failed to beat the boss with the chances you worked to give yourself (the number of summoning items you crafted)
Now as punishment you gotta do more work to get more chances

teal ibex Jan 17, 2020, 11:41 PM

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well its not quite that cut and dry

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your punishment to the player for not learning the boss also makes it harder for them to learn the boss

harsh isle Jan 17, 2020, 11:41 PM

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I agree that it could be applied selectively. Things like the King Slime and EoC, and later the mech bosses are very annoying to craft

teal ibex Jan 17, 2020, 11:42 PM

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but generally yeah there should be some repercussions for failure

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it just so happens that those repercussions can be REALLY disproportionate on certain bosses

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 11:42 PM

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~~isn't the repercussion for failure the loss of like 3/4ths of your money~~

harsh isle Jan 17, 2020, 11:42 PM

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Plus, it's a video game. It should be fun at all times. Dying and having to learn a boss is a fun punishment. Having to grind for a summon is an unfun punishment

teal ibex Jan 17, 2020, 11:42 PM

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most of it anyway

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 11:42 PM

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CompleteFailure

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Expert mode money-stealing memes

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honestly, it's harder for me to apply this logic to things like the Mechs because the Mech summons themselves are actually stupidly cheap to craft

gusty geode Jan 17, 2020, 11:44 PM

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Idk
Kinda feels like babying the player imo
It removes any setbacks you might suffer from losing

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 11:44 PM

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bruh

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you still lose your money

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you still lose the chance to get loot from that fight

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a good chunk of time still gets chopped off the clock if it's a time-of-day-oriented fight

teal ibex Jan 17, 2020, 11:45 PM

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ye its situational. some bosses im like "why god" and others not so much

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mech summons arent terrible but like. mech eye requires a nighttime only resource for a nighttime only fight

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which is just. so yes. yesyeysyesyyeeysy

gusty geode Jan 17, 2020, 11:47 PM

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Losing money can be alleviated by putting it in storage beforehand
Not winning isn't a punishment for not winning
And the time-of-day thing depends on the boss, and in cases where it applies that just gives you more time to get the materials for a rematch

teal ibex Jan 17, 2020, 11:47 PM

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not for mech eye

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time spent getting the resource is time wasted for the fight

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hence why it should be situationally applied depending upon the circumstances

harsh isle Jan 17, 2020, 11:48 PM

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Coming from someone who loves super-hard platformers, the "punishment" for losing shouldn't be much more than just starting over. The point of playing is to do hard stuff over and over until you can beat it. That's fun. Having boring punishments isn't fun. Terraria is a survival game as well as a boss-fighting game, so it makes sense to have an initial resource gathering stage, but having to repeat that detracts from the whole point of the boss-fighting part, and in Rev/Death, you're mostly playing those modes for the harder bosses

gusty geode Jan 17, 2020, 11:50 PM

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Not being punished for failure as much kinda defeats the purpose of it being harder

harsh isle Jan 17, 2020, 11:51 PM

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No? The point of it being harder is that some people like playing harder things. The fun of a hard boss is having to repeat it and learn hard attacks

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 11:51 PM

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the point of bosses being harder is that the bosses themselves are harder

gusty geode Jan 17, 2020, 11:52 PM

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You're making the bosses harder but the rest of the game easier
Is what I'm saying

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 11:52 PM

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the rest of the game is already easier

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I'm sorry to break this to you

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HDfailure

harsh isle Jan 17, 2020, 11:53 PM

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Removing grind in a mode where you would otherwise have to grind more isn't making any part of the game easier. It's just making the part you're trying to do more fun

teal ibex Jan 17, 2020, 11:54 PM

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okay, lemme propose a compromise

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what if the non consumable summons cost more from the player to create?

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okay, lemme propose a compromise

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that way you're proportionally putting in extra effort now to potentially alleviate it later

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 11:54 PM

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discord is dying for you hec?

gusty geode Jan 17, 2020, 11:54 PM

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Suffering less for losing to a harder boss just doesn't make sense imo
If anything you should face worse punishments

teal ibex Jan 17, 2020, 11:54 PM

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thanks discord i really needed that second compromise message

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ye i guess shucks LOL

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 11:54 PM

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double the compromise oyes

gusty geode Jan 17, 2020, 11:55 PM

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Also yeah, that I'd be ok with

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 11:55 PM

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provi is a prime example of this

tiny rose Jan 17, 2020, 11:55 PM

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Moon Lord, re-fighting is not very much fun because of pillars, it takes way too long and that kind of cycle usually makes it irritating imo

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 11:55 PM

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non consumable is harder to craft

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 11:55 PM

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oh yeah

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 11:55 PM

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even if just barely

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 11:55 PM

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when the actual fuck are we making a non-consumable ML summon

tiny rose Jan 17, 2020, 11:55 PM

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I wish Thomas

sand umbra Jan 17, 2020, 11:56 PM

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Ech

harsh isle Jan 17, 2020, 11:57 PM

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Yeah that seems like a good idea. It fits with the established pattern in Calamity and still removes the need to regrind in between fights

cobalt rose Jan 17, 2020, 11:57 PM

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100 of each fragment taxevasion

gusty geode Jan 17, 2020, 11:58 PM

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~~I maintain that having to regrind in-between fights is supposed to be annoying~~

tiny rose Jan 17, 2020, 11:58 PM

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I wouldn't mind having to do pillars like 3 times if it means infinite

harsh isle Jan 17, 2020, 11:59 PM

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I maintain that in a video game nothing should supposed to be annoying

lost agate Jan 17, 2020, 11:59 PM

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unless its a character thats supposed to be annoying

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if it is then gg to whoever voiced/wrote the dialogue

gusty geode Jan 18, 2020, 12:00 AM

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The point is that for one reason or another you messed up
And this is what you get

harsh isle Jan 18, 2020, 12:00 AM

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yeah lol

gusty geode Jan 18, 2020, 12:02 AM

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~~When you wanna make an argument but you don't know how to word it without it sounding like a personal attack~~

tiny rose Jan 18, 2020, 12:02 AM

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Pillars were too much of a setback for me personally, I cheated in the end to retry Moon Lord

ashen warren Jan 18, 2020, 12:03 AM

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fuck pillars

gusty geode Jan 18, 2020, 12:03 AM

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If you can't accept having to do more work because of your own failure
That's more on you than the game
~~Hopefully that doesn't offend anybody~~

versed tundra Jan 18, 2020, 12:04 AM

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Does anyone else feel like the https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Polaris_Parrotfish beats all of the other pre-hardmode-boss ranged weapons? Even without reaching the final mode, you still easily get 500 DPS, making Marrow and Butcher (to name a few) almost useless?
EDIT: My point is not that this gun is too powerful, but rather that others don't feel much like hardmode weapons

ashen warren Jan 18, 2020, 12:04 AM

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having to make you defeat two fucking long term of boss fight is no way to make ppl "enjoy" the mod

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ml had a huge difficulty spike with bs swarming eyes and it did irritate ppl no matter how much its your fault

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ofc there will be punishment but whats the point if it makes you wanna quit then try to do again

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you tell me

tiny rose Jan 18, 2020, 12:06 AM

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LOL

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I had to take a break from ML because of that, thank God the eyes are gone GWnonexUmaruCry

gusty geode Jan 18, 2020, 12:07 AM

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Like I said
If you aren't prepared to have to do the work for something multiple times
That's on you
Patience is kinda important when playing these kinds of games

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 12:07 AM

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im pretty sure butcher is good enough

gusty geode Jan 18, 2020, 12:07 AM

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~~See why I was worried it'd sound like an insult~~

versed tundra Jan 18, 2020, 12:08 AM

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butcher is barely better than the slime god shotgun

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 12:08 AM

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are you actually charging it up

ashen warren Jan 18, 2020, 12:08 AM

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we should never point out anything abt bosses because theres no way something might be off or irritating about a boss its all on us?

versed tundra Jan 18, 2020, 12:08 AM

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it takes ages to accelerate, and at full speed with musket balls on a single target it gets beaten by that fish

gusty geode Jan 18, 2020, 12:08 AM

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When did I say that

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 12:09 AM

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i thought it got to max in like 7 seconds or so

ashen warren Jan 18, 2020, 12:09 AM

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dude i get there has to be a slap in the face but sometimes its way too horrible for a punishment

versed tundra Jan 18, 2020, 12:09 AM

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Feels like ages to me lol

ashen warren Jan 18, 2020, 12:09 AM

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even in dark souls you lose souls but can try the boss right away

harsh isle Jan 18, 2020, 12:09 AM

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grind != fun gameplay
grind != difficulty

ashen warren Jan 18, 2020, 12:09 AM

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here in some cases you grind for god knows how long

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 12:10 AM

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well if youre just gonna suggest a blanket buff to early hm ranged i dont think that will go much places

versed tundra Jan 18, 2020, 12:10 AM

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Yeah...

ashen warren Jan 18, 2020, 12:10 AM

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i get what you mean but it does not work in ever situation

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 12:11 AM

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Well you dont exactly fight the boss right away in DS most of the times

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since there may be enemies in the way but yeah

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its only a matter of getting there

ashen warren Jan 18, 2020, 12:11 AM

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you get what i mean

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you dont fucking grind for it

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 12:12 AM

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no need to get heated up by it

ashen warren Jan 18, 2020, 12:12 AM

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lmao im not sorry if it looks like it

gusty geode Jan 18, 2020, 12:12 AM

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Eh
Might just depend on the person
I don't mind having to grind for it all again, others may tho

frosty dagger Jan 18, 2020, 12:12 AM

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Sugg idea: add a summoner drop from bumblebirb, there is one for every class but summoner

void kelp Jan 18, 2020, 12:13 AM

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read the suggestion doc

frosty dagger Jan 18, 2020, 12:15 AM

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My b didn't notice

hollow idol Jan 18, 2020, 1:08 AM

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People sending out suggestions in rapid succession isnt really something i’ve seen besides the people intentionally doing it to break the rules

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 1:08 AM

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That probably would cause more of empty backlash than actual good

void kelp Jan 18, 2020, 1:09 AM

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I’ve never seen suggestions flooded too rapidly

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the most I’ve seen is like.. someone sending two suggestions consecutively since they were told to split the idea into two suggestions

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 1:09 AM

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~~"BuT wHaT iF i SeNd SmTh On AcCiDenT?" and alike~~
Yeah usually people never post more than 2 in a row

civic pond Jan 18, 2020, 1:10 AM

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a slowmode on suggestions

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ecg

void kelp Jan 18, 2020, 1:10 AM

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your reasoning carries the implication that like... consecutive suggestions from the same person are innately bad

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:10 AM

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My idea isn’t for the sake of consumers but to potentially aid moderator/developer sanity more than anything, Yes people do post multiple Suggs to split ideas but I don’t really have an argument I’m just thinking about unique stuff more than anything.

void kelp Jan 18, 2020, 1:11 AM

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I don’t see a reason for it tbh

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:11 AM

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So do what yous like 🙂

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Then go your way I am not going to hate

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 1:12 AM

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It is totally fine to do so
Just saying that imho the issue isn't severe enough for the change like that

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:13 AM

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But also it could be done for other purposes it may not have happened, but what’s if a 5 second delay is out on to potentially block that one spammer with no purpose then to cause an annoyance

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It would still be an issue but the aftermath would be easier to clean for mods

radiant meadow Jan 18, 2020, 1:14 AM

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I think it would just be to discourage breaking up a suggestion into multiple lines

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 1:15 AM

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I mean, if they spam more than 2 meaningless messages in a row, they are likely to get banned and their lines cleaned up automatically, so this isn't that much help

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:16 AM

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I mean how easy is it because if someone is going to spam with no delay they will it isn’t hard to do so

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Unless there is a bot I don’t see

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Or someone running scripts

vocal grotto Jan 18, 2020, 1:17 AM

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I'm not concerned about spam as much as I am new people splitting their sugg into multiple messages. I'd say this, depending on the delay, would give the message of "hey, you shouldn't post things here often. Use this place sparingly"

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That way it doesn't need to be repeated multiple times (pins are admittedly not read often after you just arrived in a server)

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:18 AM

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I have never read pins fyk 😂 I just follow commonsense mostly

wooden wedge Jan 18, 2020, 1:19 AM

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you should start

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:20 AM

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I have no had a need to if I am unsure about something I generally ask about it if I am directed to the pins off I go

hollow idol Jan 18, 2020, 1:20 AM

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two channels have “read pins” in their names

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 1:20 AM

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~~this really should be one of them~~

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:21 AM

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Probably

vocal grotto Jan 18, 2020, 1:21 AM

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Even then, not everyone listens.

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:21 AM

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Well back onto delay talk

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Got some mixed opinions so far

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 1:22 AM

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inb4 it immediately causes a problem with larger suggestions

distant gyro Jan 18, 2020, 1:22 AM

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I think it's fine with this place not having rp in it

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 1:22 AM

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and with people who have many ideas for suggestions at once

distant gyro Jan 18, 2020, 1:22 AM

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But channel description might be misleading for some

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:23 AM

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5 seconds will not hurt to be there, it may be useless but there may be chance it does something g

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 1:23 AM

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.

distant gyro Jan 18, 2020, 1:23 AM

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"Discuss suggestions posted in #suggestions-voting here"

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 1:23 AM

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you might as well not have it there then

distant gyro Jan 18, 2020, 1:23 AM

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Implying you don't do something else here

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CompleteFailure

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 1:23 AM

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nobody ever is going to post two suggs within 5 seconds of each other
are you serious right now

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:23 AM

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Thomas maybe but why not put potentially free to use prevention somewhere just in case

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“Spam” could happen

vocal grotto Jan 18, 2020, 1:23 AM

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Yeah, 5 seconds would do nothing except mitigate spammers

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 1:24 AM

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If the sole issue is someone running a script, why won't they run it elsewhere?

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 1:24 AM

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(and that really wouldn't change the fact they can do it in any other channel with no issues)

vocal grotto Jan 18, 2020, 1:24 AM

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And that's not a very common thing that results in punishment

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 1:24 AM

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Which probably get banne anyway

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Spam can result in mute or bans if its spammed everywhere iirv

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 1:24 AM

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And putting 5 sec slowmode on each channel is blergh

vocal grotto Jan 18, 2020, 1:25 AM

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I mean, I'm certain most moderators would agree with a mute or smth if the spam is, like, their first messages

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:25 AM

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What is the process of deleting spam messages out of Suggestions?

zenith hazel Jan 18, 2020, 1:25 AM

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you... just delete the messages

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 1:25 AM

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^

zenith hazel Jan 18, 2020, 1:26 AM

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there is no 9000 IQ thing that goes behind deleting a message

vocal grotto Jan 18, 2020, 1:26 AM

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Same as deletion of anything else, like deleting your own message, if you will

hollow idol Jan 18, 2020, 1:26 AM

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@molten granite play older versions iirc

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:26 AM

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Exactly if it was in any other chat it’d most likely just get flooded out by other messages but in suggestions you have to delete it all

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 1:26 AM

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you have to delete it all in any other chat though

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what

zenith hazel Jan 18, 2020, 1:26 AM

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it's still the same process as other chats

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:26 AM

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Yes it would have to be deleted either way if it was inappropriate

vocal grotto Jan 18, 2020, 1:26 AM

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Unless it's inappropriate, not really

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 1:26 AM

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Again, if someone floods the channel so much that deleting messages manually becomes a concern, they will be banned with "delete last 24 hours of messages"

vocal grotto Jan 18, 2020, 1:27 AM

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In other channels, at least

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:27 AM

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But if it was something dumb like some spamming hi, in general and it was active why would you delete all of the “hi”

zenith hazel Jan 18, 2020, 1:27 AM

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well yes if it's flooding

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 1:27 AM

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the argument still applies fairly easily to any other chat that isn't suggs

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 1:27 AM

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Remember when someone mass pinged all devs and shit here?

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 1:27 AM

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what exactly mandates having a slowmode on the one channel where it quite frankly isn't gonna be triggered in the first place

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leaCheese

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it seems utterly pointless, if ya ask me

zenith hazel Jan 18, 2020, 1:28 AM

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might as well add slowmode to every channel to prevent fragmenting 5head

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:28 AM

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It maybe will be but it might be nice if something does decide to happen

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 1:29 AM

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so you want to add a slowmode to suggs, but nowhere else, on the off chance someone just random decides to try spamming suggs chat

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mind you, the suggs chat is the one place where nobody who wants to spam will care to go

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they'll most likely be in gen talk, clam talk, or other mod talk

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 1:29 AM

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And in the random chance that doesnt get him banned

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 1:29 AM

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or any of the other dozen channels around here

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what Shucks said

karmic stone Jan 18, 2020, 1:30 AM

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Calamity Legacy Mod
"Don't suggest removed content" is a thing right

hollow idol Jan 18, 2020, 1:30 AM

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yes it is

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 1:30 AM

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the idea that people will legitimately spam in #suggestions-voting is so much of a long shot that
if I stand at the point I'm supposed to shoot from
I can't even see the target because it's so far away

vocal grotto Jan 18, 2020, 1:30 AM

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If someone wanted to make an unofficial legacy mod and it passes Fab, I guess they could do that. But there's no way we'd go to the trouble of retrieving that content just for that one thing

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:31 AM

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Honestly imo if I were to spam it’d be straight to the most noticed place here where do you think that is!

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 1:31 AM

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gen talk

zenith hazel Jan 18, 2020, 1:31 AM

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or calamity mod talk

hollow idol Jan 18, 2020, 1:31 AM

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~~Someone actually is making an unofficial legacy mod for their own private use~~

molten granite Jan 18, 2020, 1:31 AM

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okay I deleted the post

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:31 AM

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Don’t bots give a star automatically in sugg? So messages will be larger and fragment better?

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 1:31 AM

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the most noticed place here

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General talk and Calamity Mod talk.

vocal grotto Jan 18, 2020, 1:32 AM

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I don't see how the emotes would cause problems

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They're deleted along with messages

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 1:32 AM

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the sugg bot actually has a built-in feature that moves the star to the latest message in a chain if more than one message is posted iirc

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 1:32 AM

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Star is given once in a while if there is the same poster, iirc

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Or what thomas said

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 1:32 AM

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Do ya thinks spammers are gonna study this place just to make their spam 1% longer?

vocal grotto Jan 18, 2020, 1:32 AM

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^

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 1:32 AM

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no

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:32 AM

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You could probably get by that

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 1:33 AM

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the point is, it's entirely too much of an issue in the long run for too little reward

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:33 AM

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Discord accounts are easy to make an I don’t think IP banning exists

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 1:33 AM

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lol just drop one msg in all channels
It's much more efficient than spamming a single channel anyway

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:33 AM

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Thomas it is something you set and forget though?

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 1:33 AM

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Out of all the spam attempts, suggestion chat has to have the least spam messages sent in there

vocal grotto Jan 18, 2020, 1:33 AM

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Nobody is going to be dedicated enough to use the tools to make alts and then go back into the server just to cause chaos in the sugg channel

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 1:34 AM

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you can set slowmode for a channel, yes

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 1:34 AM

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Well, if someone is, that will be a story to tell

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 1:34 AM

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but the whole point of what I'm saying is that it isn't worth all the trouble it'd cause for all parties involved

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:34 AM

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I have like 6 discord accounts isn’t hard to make them

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 1:34 AM

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ok?

vocal grotto Jan 18, 2020, 1:34 AM

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Discord goes by IP AND account

hollow saffron Jan 18, 2020, 1:34 AM

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vpns exist

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:34 AM

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Not with ^*

vocal grotto Jan 18, 2020, 1:34 AM

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Who's going to care that much to use a VPN solely for raiding?

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And just in suggs

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:35 AM

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I have one for general use so

hollow saffron Jan 18, 2020, 1:35 AM

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people who are deticated enough to raid

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:35 AM

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Plenty of people out there ngl

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 1:35 AM

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This is a circus of a discussion rn

vocal grotto Jan 18, 2020, 1:35 AM

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Yeah

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It doesn't appear we'll get anywhere

hollow saffron Jan 18, 2020, 1:35 AM

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~~also this is related to a sugg how~~

vocal grotto Jan 18, 2020, 1:35 AM

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We are discussing something in #suggestions-voting

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:36 AM

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It is something to set and forget well should cause no harm, so I don’t see the POV of most people

radiant meadow Jan 18, 2020, 1:36 AM

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the one about adding slow mode to the suggestions channel

hollow saffron Jan 18, 2020, 1:36 AM

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oh i just saw the post

vocal grotto Jan 18, 2020, 1:36 AM

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Yeah, that one

hollow saffron Jan 18, 2020, 1:36 AM

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imean slowmode wouldnt do anyone harm

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would probs mean they would check the pins and post it here for feedback first HyperFailure

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 1:36 AM

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it'd be utterly useless and would ultimately cause some sort of problem

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I guarantee it

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:36 AM

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Also Thomas it has a non zero chance to actually do something 🙂

zenith hazel Jan 18, 2020, 1:36 AM

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barely anyone reads pins so like

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 1:36 AM

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"if something useless doesnt harm anyone, just add it"

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:37 AM

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5 seconds should stop paragraphs being written

vocal grotto Jan 18, 2020, 1:37 AM

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A non-zero chance doesn't mean it's going to happen in these terms.
This isn't an infinite vacuum of possibilities

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But that's beside the point

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 1:37 AM

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~~is that why Xeroc Greatsword exists, Shucks-- /s~~

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 1:37 AM

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Let's add another bruh emote
I mean it won't hurt anyone

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 1:37 AM

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Xeroc greatsword isnt useless smh

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 1:37 AM

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HDfailure

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 1:37 AM

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~~it actually would hurt danny but shh~~

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 1:37 AM

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yeah ok

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 1:37 AM

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It does good for deus last i checked

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 1:38 AM

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does it? megathink

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 1:38 AM

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It did for me

ashen warren Jan 18, 2020, 1:38 AM

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let's add 37 variations of ech

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 1:38 AM

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But not the topic

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 1:38 AM

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I never really saw it as good or bad per se, it was just kinda there to be Terratomere mat

anywho we'll discuss this more later, back to why slowmode isn't going to help anything

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:39 AM

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But it’s not not going to help either so why not just add it anyway for the possibility it will do something

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 1:39 AM

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it's too much of a long shot for it to be worth doing, though

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 1:39 AM

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Because we dont put useless shit just becausd maybe it does something

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:39 AM

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It is like 3-4 clicks...

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 1:39 AM

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I like how we discuss theoretically pointless and even harmful change for half an hour now

vocal grotto Jan 18, 2020, 1:39 AM

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But it's benefits would be next to nothing, and the secondary results are not certain.

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 1:40 AM

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Unless frightening people away from the channel is a virtue

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:40 AM

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Ugh I have to go but don’t want to because this will be forgotten

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 1:40 AM

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taxevasion

gusty geode Jan 18, 2020, 1:40 AM

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How long would this slowmode be anyway

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:40 AM

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5 sec max I’d say

hollow idol Jan 18, 2020, 1:40 AM

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they said 5 seconds

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 1:41 AM

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@carmine linden anti-heal is intended mechanic to bypass armor and act as true damage

karmic stone Jan 18, 2020, 1:41 AM

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@carmine linden
Negative healing makes it so that DR and Defense don't matter so you have to avoid them anyways

gusty geode Jan 18, 2020, 1:41 AM

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Then what's even the point

carmine linden Jan 18, 2020, 1:41 AM

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oh

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I see it makes sense

karmic stone Jan 18, 2020, 1:41 AM

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5 sec slowmode
br

carmine linden Jan 18, 2020, 1:41 AM

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true damage

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ok

gusty geode Jan 18, 2020, 1:42 AM

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Half-hour would be more realistic imo

swift bison Jan 18, 2020, 1:42 AM

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i'd say a 2-5 minute slowmode myself

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:42 AM

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No because then people can’t split Suggs or post multiple planned Suggs

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 1:42 AM

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Its just pointless limiting

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 1:42 AM

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And then it starts really hurting those who had to separate suggestion in 2

zenith hazel Jan 18, 2020, 1:42 AM

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we can just tell them to not do it

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:42 AM

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Who will listen

vocal grotto Jan 18, 2020, 1:42 AM

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Like, if a sugg is really large, and the dumb character limit gets in the way

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For example

zenith hazel Jan 18, 2020, 1:42 AM

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people?

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:42 AM

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5 seconds 😛

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 1:42 AM

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Except we are the ones who tell them to darylForreal

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 1:43 AM

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And this suggestion just feel like a glorified "because it would be cool" to me now

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 1:43 AM

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Brav not everyone cares what people have to say

vocal grotto Jan 18, 2020, 1:43 AM

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I'm responding to the 30 min thing

zenith hazel Jan 18, 2020, 1:43 AM

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we are moderators, we can tell people to follow the rules

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ok then.

vocal grotto Jan 18, 2020, 1:43 AM

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Not everyone != Nobody

karmic stone Jan 18, 2020, 1:43 AM

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If they don't care then they're getting slapped anyways

carmine linden Jan 18, 2020, 1:43 AM

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people keep talking about a slowmode limit being either 5 seconds or 2 hours and im just thinking “10 minutes”

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 1:43 AM

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0 seconds
The spiciest bet

distant gyro Jan 18, 2020, 1:44 AM

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BanditHueh

hollow idol Jan 18, 2020, 1:44 AM

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perfect

wooden wedge Jan 18, 2020, 1:44 AM

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there's a difference between -100 health and a projective hitting for 100 damage

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you see the latter is affected by defense

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among other things

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 1:45 AM

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latter also triggers on-hit effects at all

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Provi's anti-heal flames ignore defense, DR, on-hit effects, and immunity frames

foggy plover Jan 18, 2020, 1:46 AM

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should make them take adrenaline away

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cuz they dont

gusty geode Jan 18, 2020, 1:48 AM

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Tbh why isn't that mechanic used more often

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 1:48 AM

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take a look at the buffed seasonal moons and you might understand why

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HDfailure

hollow shell Jan 18, 2020, 1:49 AM

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@carmine linden Thematic coolness considering she also fires real healing flames, and also they completely negate i-frames, making them dangerous

carmine linden Jan 18, 2020, 1:49 AM

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hmm ok

hollow shell Jan 18, 2020, 1:50 AM

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and yeah, ignores all damage reducing as well

carmine linden Jan 18, 2020, 1:50 AM

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yes

radiant meadow Jan 18, 2020, 2:11 AM

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the healing flames ignore defense, damage reduction, and i frames

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normal damage can't do that

karmic stone Jan 18, 2020, 2:17 AM

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Considering they didn't know this before writing the sugg, and agreed that it makes sense for it to be this way

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Maybe deyeet it

hollow shell Jan 18, 2020, 2:30 AM

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Maybe @carmine linden You should edit your sugg (or delete, your choice) considering you now know the reasons why they're antihealing

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and in your sugg you say that you don't know why

carmine linden Jan 18, 2020, 2:30 AM

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ok

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 2:31 AM

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The - does make the damage look ugly though ngl is there a way it can be removed

hollow shell Jan 18, 2020, 2:31 AM

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Thank you

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Not sure about that

radiant meadow Jan 18, 2020, 2:32 AM

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if there's no -, people will think it's healing

hollow shell Jan 18, 2020, 2:32 AM

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There's probably some weird roundabout workaround for it

radiant meadow Jan 18, 2020, 2:32 AM

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when it's the opposite

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especially since the green flames do heal

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 2:33 AM

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Make it green like you’re picking hearts up then and have damage red like normal?

radiant meadow Jan 18, 2020, 2:33 AM

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it's not that easy

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 2:33 AM

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Or is there something really annoying about doing that?

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Yeah thought so

hollow shell Jan 18, 2020, 2:33 AM

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Yeah

radiant meadow Jan 18, 2020, 2:33 AM

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it uses the HealEffect function

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which is always the healing color

hollow shell Jan 18, 2020, 2:35 AM

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I'm thinking maybe you could somehow suppress the heal number pop-up and have a custom pop-up appear instead

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Custom pop-ups I know are possible
Heal effect suppression I don't

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 2:38 AM

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I mean you could implement custom textures for it so maybe just use images instead of pure code kinda thing

zealous ridge Jan 18, 2020, 2:40 AM

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Well, in that case I don’t even know what kind of logistical nightmares would arise

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That seems like uncharted territory

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 2:41 AM

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I feel like it wouldn’t be to difficult but I haven’t seen the code and probably never will if statements were something I was pretty good at

zealous ridge Jan 18, 2020, 2:48 AM

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hmm

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Seems like a lot of work to make providences heal flames more consistent

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Or, I think there are other anti heal methods in cal, actually

hollow shell Jan 18, 2020, 2:48 AM

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I can't recall any

zealous ridge Jan 18, 2020, 2:48 AM

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like, isn’t there healer guardians homing flares?

hollow shell Jan 18, 2020, 2:49 AM

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hmm

carmine island Jan 18, 2020, 2:49 AM

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Would it be possible to make the antiheal flames have red text? I see the green sometimes after doing rev twice and I still think I was healed.

zealous ridge Jan 18, 2020, 2:49 AM

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Okay they called fire orbs on the wiki

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As they said earlier, the healeffect function usually only shows green text and it’s hard to do anything with that color value apparently

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It is mildly annoying to have the game send mixed signals, but devs say it’s hard to really do anything about it

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And it probably isn’t the highest priority thing regardless

hallow kraken Jan 18, 2020, 2:52 AM

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Looks like it’s time for this guy to discus a suggestion here because he’s more unconfident in himself than well I can’t think of a good comparison: Change godly soul artifact’s tooltip from “Boosts max minions by 8” to “Summons two Sons of Yharon” or something like that.

The current tooltip implies that the accessory boosts minion slots by 8. Though that is true, those 8 slots are instantly taken up by the sons. The tooltip doesn’t mention anything about summoning the sons, and considering the slot boost only exists as a way to add sons, I believe the sons should be referenced in the tooltip and not the slot boost.

cloud surge Jan 18, 2020, 2:52 AM

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Instead of thinking green text good, think projectile bad

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 2:53 AM

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Probably not bat, seems better to know your summon limit

carmine island Jan 18, 2020, 2:53 AM

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Instead of seeing green text to know I got hit, I think I wasnt hit cause I'm distracted by every other projectile

wooden wedge Jan 18, 2020, 2:53 AM

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the summon slots it gives you is taken up permanently

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it could just say that it summons 2 yharon's sons

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and that'd make more sense

zealous ridge Jan 18, 2020, 2:54 AM

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Hmm, bat mox, this is a small tone thing, but try and be more confident in your suggestions wording

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for instance, “something like that” could be “something similar” or “something of that nature”

radiant meadow Jan 18, 2020, 2:55 AM

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"I believe"

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 2:55 AM

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“I can fly”

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 2:56 AM

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I would agree with that sugg

hallow kraken Jan 18, 2020, 2:56 AM

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alright

zealous ridge Jan 18, 2020, 2:57 AM

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yeah, it helps get your point across with more confidence and will sway more people

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 2:57 AM

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be more confident! you can do the thing!

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 2:57 AM

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If yharon sons arent mentioned at all then thats a problem

swift wadi Jan 18, 2020, 2:57 AM

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I agree with it too

wooden wedge Jan 18, 2020, 2:57 AM

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"Loyalty
Boosts max minions by 8"

radiant meadow Jan 18, 2020, 2:58 AM

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it doesn't mention them

wooden wedge Jan 18, 2020, 2:58 AM

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why'd I ever associate the children of my enemy with loyalty

carmine island Jan 18, 2020, 2:59 AM

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Those children do damage

radiant meadow Jan 18, 2020, 2:59 AM

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soul artifacts are complicated

frank stratus Jan 18, 2020, 2:59 AM

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~~(Suggestion DEMON)~~

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 2:59 AM

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Maybe they think youre their mom

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If it meant to be ambiguous it can say "You will forever be accompanied"

carmine island Jan 18, 2020, 3:02 AM

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already forever accompanied by the third sage

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 3:04 AM

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Wha

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 3:09 AM

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Mild thought crossed my mind recently
There are 5 accessories that take 5 cosmilite bars. Then there is sponge that takes 15, and then there is rampart that takes 20(!). How about making the numbers a bit more consistent? Feelthinkman

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It's not like those two accessories are something special, either

elder mist Jan 18, 2020, 3:09 AM

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sponge and rampart are probably more powerful than the rest

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i'd assume

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what're the 5 accs

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 3:09 AM

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I thought rampart only needed geodes

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Unless im confuzzled

elder mist Jan 18, 2020, 3:10 AM

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i know core is 1

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 3:10 AM

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Aegis, tracers, cotbg, amalgam, and one more I honestly forgot

elder mist Jan 18, 2020, 3:11 AM

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okay yeah at best sponge and rampart should be 10

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 3:11 AM

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Oh btw

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Is it ok if i post 2 suggs as long as it doesnt look like im chaining them?

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 3:12 AM

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Well from how my sugg went it is fine

distant gyro Jan 18, 2020, 3:12 AM

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Am fine with sponge being 15

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But rampart being 20 is a scam HDfailure

civic pond Jan 18, 2020, 3:12 AM

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yeah it should be

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 3:13 AM

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Well here i go then

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 3:13 AM

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Well everyone was using people posting 2 suggestions at a time against my sugg

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So if you get warned that is kinda bs

civic pond Jan 18, 2020, 3:13 AM

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i posted like 3 unrelated i think

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heck

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 3:14 AM

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It's actually funny how I discovered that
was in mp with lump, decided "today i will be tank mage", started gathering mats for rampart, thought "oh this acc surely would be cheap" and bam! All the cosmilite bars gone

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HDMood

civic pond Jan 18, 2020, 3:14 AM

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how much is it again?

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 3:14 AM

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Lol

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 3:14 AM

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20

civic pond Jan 18, 2020, 3:14 AM

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bruh

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well then.

distant gyro Jan 18, 2020, 3:15 AM

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Rampart takes 20, Sponge takes 15, DSA takes 10, Yharon Phase 1 music box takes 3, The rest take 5

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(Yharon music box is very important to include HDfailure )

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 3:15 AM

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Cosmolite is an honest pain, you need quite a bit of it and killing DOG more than once is not fun imo because it isn’t as unique as say fighting yharon twice

distant gyro Jan 18, 2020, 3:16 AM

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(The one you missed is DHeart, Crab) BanditHueh

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Yeah, right

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Tbh all 3 of those (sponge, rampart, heart) should be on 10

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But that's unlikely so I'd just ask for reduction of rampart

cobalt rose Jan 18, 2020, 3:18 AM

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that sounds better

queen delta Jan 18, 2020, 3:18 AM

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Honestly I don't see anything wrong with brittle stars

distant gyro Jan 18, 2020, 3:18 AM

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heart being 5 is fine imo

wary flume Jan 18, 2020, 3:19 AM

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Oh god got a bit of a shock then none of the colours loaded and I looked straight at crabs name it was white :0

distant gyro Jan 18, 2020, 3:19 AM

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it's not too good of an accessory anyway

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 3:19 AM

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You say that like rampart is meta

queen delta Jan 18, 2020, 3:19 AM

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Other than pretty low damage

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 3:20 AM

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CompleteFailure

distant gyro Jan 18, 2020, 3:20 AM

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~~both sponge and rampart are thick so thematically basing off sprites~~

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CompleteFailure

zenith hazel Jan 18, 2020, 3:20 AM

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~~if anything, the stars from deepsea staff need to be stronger iirc~~

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 3:20 AM

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And then aegis be like smart_think

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Im thin

queen delta Jan 18, 2020, 3:20 AM

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Yeah deepsea staff is basically the same as ice claspers

swift wadi Jan 18, 2020, 3:22 AM

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Yes I agree with all of this

foggy plover Jan 18, 2020, 3:23 AM

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if the topic of summons doing weird wall stuff is here can I just mention that black hawk summons like to sit in walls and shoot at targets that are on the other side of them

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 3:23 AM

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Deepsea staff is from AS right?

swift wadi Jan 18, 2020, 3:23 AM

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DS

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iirc

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 3:23 AM

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Nah thats seabound

foggy plover Jan 18, 2020, 3:23 AM

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deep is aq ye

swift wadi Jan 18, 2020, 3:23 AM

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O

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Both need this change lol

queen delta Jan 18, 2020, 3:23 AM

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yeah deepsea is AS

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also im pretty sure deepsea stars can go thru blocks

swift wadi Jan 18, 2020, 3:24 AM

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🤔

queen delta Jan 18, 2020, 3:24 AM

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not sure

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 3:24 AM

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If they can, good i dont have to worry about those

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So whats the problem with deepsea?

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Not enough dmg? not agressive enough?

queen delta Jan 18, 2020, 3:25 AM

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pretty slow

zenith hazel Jan 18, 2020, 3:25 AM

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dunno if size also matters

queen delta Jan 18, 2020, 3:25 AM

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theyre only slightly faster than ice claspers

mighty knot Jan 18, 2020, 3:25 AM

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Make Hermit Crab (summoned with Magical Conch) Less Affected by Gravity and/or Able to Move Through TIles

Currently, the Magical Conch is rarely useful, since the hermit crab it summons just falls to the ground. It doesn't hit most enemies or almost any bosses, and if there's a block in it's way, it doesn't even notice and just tries to run through it. Most of the time, it deals about 40 damage and then sits in a hole until I move far enough away. I don't even use it anymore and just keep Seabound Staff.

queen delta Jan 18, 2020, 3:25 AM

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so theyre gonna have a hard time catching up with prime and probably twins

cobalt rose Jan 18, 2020, 3:25 AM

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~~brav im taking that out of context~~

queen delta Jan 18, 2020, 3:26 AM

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and deepsea staff should be able to catch up to them

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 3:26 AM

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So do you mean theyre slow when trying to position for the ramming?

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Or is the ramming too slow?

queen delta Jan 18, 2020, 3:26 AM

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they're just too slow in general and not that aggressive ye

mighty knot Jan 18, 2020, 3:26 AM

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um I'm going to post that thing in #suggestions-voting if nobody has any objections...?

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the one above

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 3:26 AM

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I could shove it into the first sugg if you want

queen delta Jan 18, 2020, 3:27 AM

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Nah, hermit crabs are fine as is

mighty knot Jan 18, 2020, 3:27 AM

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really?

queen delta Jan 18, 2020, 3:27 AM

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They're basically tiny brutes

swift wadi Jan 18, 2020, 3:27 AM

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Hermit Crab supposed to be how he is iirc

mighty knot Jan 18, 2020, 3:27 AM

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mmm

swift wadi Jan 18, 2020, 3:27 AM

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So like, ground-based power house

queen delta Jan 18, 2020, 3:27 AM

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They do really good damage against certain enemies and bosses

mighty knot Jan 18, 2020, 3:27 AM

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well, you mainly use it for EoW

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which can be a problem since it gets stuck in shafts

queen delta Jan 18, 2020, 3:27 AM

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If you use it vs crabulon, EoW, or goblins, they're lawnmowers

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close up the shafts then

mighty knot Jan 18, 2020, 3:28 AM

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good point

gusty geode Jan 18, 2020, 3:28 AM

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Sorry for coming back to an old suggestion
But that one about adding a config for the summon nerf

queen delta Jan 18, 2020, 3:28 AM

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for flying enemies, thats what seabound staff is for

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 3:28 AM

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So imma slap deepsea onto the first sugg if you dont mind

gusty geode Jan 18, 2020, 3:28 AM

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Weren't all the other caps like DR meant for balancing too? Yet those got configs

queen delta Jan 18, 2020, 3:28 AM

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yeah, mention that deepsea needs a speed boost as well

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 3:29 AM

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Uh DR cap doesnt have a toggle?

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Im pretty sure it doesnt

gusty geode Jan 18, 2020, 3:30 AM

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It doesn't?
Could've sworn I saw one added a few updates ago

queen delta Jan 18, 2020, 3:30 AM

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i checked configs and saw nothing about DR cap

gusty geode Jan 18, 2020, 3:31 AM

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Oof

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 3:31 AM

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Ok wat

zenith hazel Jan 18, 2020, 3:31 AM

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gj Shucks

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 3:31 AM

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Why did my edit send as a different message

gusty geode Jan 18, 2020, 3:31 AM

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Had that happen lol

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 3:32 AM

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There

gusty geode Jan 18, 2020, 3:33 AM

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Point is
Pretty sure some of the other balancing caps were configurable
No reason why the summon nerf (and DR cap, ig) shouldn't be

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 3:33 AM

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Except they werent

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And if they were it was only on a test version and it wasnt removing the cap, it was changing how it worked

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Alas turning excess of DR into defense

queen delta Jan 18, 2020, 3:34 AM

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ok deepsea staff doesnt go thru blocks

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 3:35 AM

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Off the second sugg it goes then

hollow shell Jan 18, 2020, 3:37 AM

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Why two suggestions?

hallow kraken Jan 18, 2020, 3:37 AM

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~~aren’t brittle stars literally just deadly spheres or something~~

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 3:37 AM

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In case people want them to be more agressive but not go through tiles

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Or vice versa

hollow shell Jan 18, 2020, 3:38 AM

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Hm

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I dunno if that would be very many people but aight

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 3:38 AM

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(also it looks nicer when sent to dev server hueh)

distant gyro Jan 18, 2020, 3:39 AM

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make brittle stars chain-hit for more damage; extra points PBUrSelf

swift wadi Jan 18, 2020, 3:39 AM

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That weapon is straight trash for Giant Clam tbh

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 3:40 AM

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If youre comparing it to lemme-sit-on-your-face-until-you-die staff them yeah its not as good

swift wadi Jan 18, 2020, 3:40 AM

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Kinda kinky 😳

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Im sorry

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 3:40 AM

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godflushed

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Btw rover there is a difference in votes between the two suggestions so byeah

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And hec was one of the people that wouldnt want both to happen i think

hollow shell Jan 18, 2020, 3:50 AM

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m

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I think I'd be fine with Brittle Star being ass AI-wise considering it's so early
Maybe a damage buff if it's totally unviable

Aquatic Star though definitely should not be as worthless

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 3:57 AM

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Early or not i dont think missing a vulture constantly is that good

hollow shell Jan 18, 2020, 3:57 AM

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Kite better SandJudge

queen delta Jan 18, 2020, 3:58 AM

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HahaYes

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 3:58 AM

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bandithueh

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 3:58 AM

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missing a vulture of all things 3 times over is where I'd draw the line, personally CompleteFailure

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 3:59 AM

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Ofc im not asking for like clasper tiers of agressiveness

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Just a lil more to what it is rn

queen delta Jan 18, 2020, 3:59 AM

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So no elemental axes level of aggressiveness?

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 4:00 AM

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Nop

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 4:00 AM

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an AI change or two would be best, tbf, something to make them more consistent

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a summon weapon's base statistics aren't worth the words that make them up if the summon itself can't hit anything

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HyperFailure

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 4:01 AM

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Thats what happened with sandnado

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No one used it, it became more agressive and suddenly it even needed a dmg nerf

hallow kraken Jan 18, 2020, 4:03 AM

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Adrenaline just kills cultist with that accursed thing

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 4:04 AM

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Well good thing its getting moved in any case CompleteFailure

hallow kraken Jan 18, 2020, 4:05 AM

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sand+butterflies is just the reason why summoner is god against post-golem

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source: my recent playthrough

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 4:07 AM

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~~if you use sun spirit along with stars they will hit your vulture easily, checkmate~~

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HDMood

hallow kraken Jan 18, 2020, 4:08 AM

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~~alright what is this vulture thing you kids keep talking about~~

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 4:08 AM

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~~I only had one summon slot cuz im running multiclass~~

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Look at the ps of my first suggestiom bat

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 4:08 AM

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~~imagine multiclass when summoner moments~~

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 4:09 AM

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I always did multiclass smh

hallow kraken Jan 18, 2020, 4:09 AM

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I’m doing pure summoner rn

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 4:20 AM

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~~imagine not crafting wulfrum summoner helm at any moment possible~~

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Slots being so discrete are stupid Ech

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 4:25 AM

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Byeah having to use another summon to knock a vulture back because the summon cant keep up is Kirbypain

ashen warren Jan 18, 2020, 4:29 AM

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and if increased aggressiveness makes them too strong, ez damage nerf to balance things out

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Add a crafting recipe to transform Giant Tortoise Shell into Turtle Shell

Giant Tortoise Shell is an accessory that has incredibly higher (19.5% vs ~6%) chance to be dropped by Jungle Tortoises, compared to material, Turtle Shell. Reducing the drop rate would be a decent option, but more creative solution would be to craft excessive shells into material form. That will both give Giant Tortoise Shells a bit more credibility (aside from being Absorber material) and ease the creation of infamous Turtle Armor.

How is that?
~~now that I read it again, turtle shells are also massively dropped in sulphur sea so wack~~

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 4:32 AM

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Why the literal shell is so rare to begin with is beyond me

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 4:32 AM

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read my goddamn mind

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why is it so hard to get a FUCKING SHELL OFF OF A TURTLE

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echmelt

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 4:34 AM

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You break it in process of killing, ig

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No other ideas

hallow kraken Jan 18, 2020, 4:34 AM

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~~I mean, I think it would be easier to get a tortoise shell off of a tortoise than a turtle shell~~

tired haven Jan 18, 2020, 4:34 AM

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🤫

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 4:34 AM

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that's not the point here and you know it

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HDfailure

cobalt rose Jan 18, 2020, 4:35 AM

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a turtle's shell is literally part of its body, so if you want to take it off and only get the shell, you'll need some surgery skills

hallow kraken Jan 18, 2020, 4:35 AM

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I deeply apologize

sand umbra Jan 18, 2020, 4:36 AM

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anywho yeah I'd totally be down for Giant Tortoise Shell being an alternative to/craftable into Turtle Shells

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because fuck farming out Turtle armor

hollow idol Jan 18, 2020, 5:20 AM

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@frosty dagger suggesting dedicated items is not allowed. If Dokuro wants an item, he can ask and get it

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 5:20 AM

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This has been suggested many times

frosty dagger Jan 18, 2020, 5:20 AM

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It isn't, I checked the Sugg don't and it wasn't there

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But I'll take it down if that's the case

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 5:20 AM

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And yes dedicated items are for people that actually ask for it

frosty dagger Jan 18, 2020, 5:21 AM

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Ok

hollow idol Jan 18, 2020, 5:21 AM

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also last I checked, he doesn't want one

hollow shell Jan 18, 2020, 5:26 AM

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I'm gonna put this in the Frequently Suggested

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"Also a Shouldn't"

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or rather
"Also rule-breaking", I guess

lost agate Jan 18, 2020, 5:28 AM

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"Thats not how dedicated items work"

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CompleteFailure

hollow shell Jan 18, 2020, 5:28 AM

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There we go

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hallow hatch Jan 18, 2020, 7:21 AM

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Also change the spelling of the lumenous amulet to luminous

swift wadi Jan 18, 2020, 7:21 AM

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Layer 1 and 2 abyss have one theme, layer 3 and 4 have a different one

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iirc

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Oh that got deleted fast

wooden wedge Jan 18, 2020, 7:21 AM

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uh?

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lumen is light

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iirc

hallow hatch Jan 18, 2020, 7:22 AM

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Yes but luminous is an actual word

wooden wedge Jan 18, 2020, 7:22 AM

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hallow hatch Jan 18, 2020, 7:23 AM

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Just to be consistent

distant gyro Jan 18, 2020, 7:29 AM

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how would that be... consistent?

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I'm pretty sure Lumenous is derived from Lumenyl, one of its core materials

hallow hatch Jan 18, 2020, 7:31 AM

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Consistent with luminous corvina

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And luminous striker

low salmon Jan 18, 2020, 7:31 AM

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The more he talks, the more he makes sense.

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And it's hurting my brain i've never noticed it before.

hallow hatch Jan 18, 2020, 7:32 AM

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Hahah

distant gyro Jan 18, 2020, 7:32 AM

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luminous striker is completely unrelated to the abyss afaik

low salmon Jan 18, 2020, 7:32 AM

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But it's also proper due to the lumenyl thing.

hallow hatch Jan 18, 2020, 7:33 AM

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It’s just that the spelling “lumenous” is confusing as the actual, irl word is luminous

distant gyro Jan 18, 2020, 7:33 AM

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thing about lumin- is that it can easily be mistaken for luminite

hallow hatch Jan 18, 2020, 7:33 AM

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If a player is searching using recipe browser he will not find it

distant gyro Jan 18, 2020, 7:34 AM

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which is probably why lumenyl is still called lumenyl

hallow hatch Jan 18, 2020, 7:34 AM

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Lumenyl is not a real word iirc

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Luminous is

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Ig I’m being pedantic about it but luminous is just the correct spelling

distant gyro Jan 18, 2020, 7:35 AM

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reminder that astreal defeat is spelt as astreal and not astral

hallow hatch Jan 18, 2020, 7:35 AM

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@torn rain AEW

hollow idol Jan 18, 2020, 7:35 AM

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how would a final guardian that you are meant to be able to defeat work

distant gyro Jan 18, 2020, 7:35 AM

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not every name that resemble another word has to be a valid word

hallow hatch Jan 18, 2020, 7:35 AM

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It does not

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But astreal sounds distinctively different from astral

subtle fjord Jan 18, 2020, 7:36 AM

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Well I'd imagine you the guardian isn't quote on quote meant to be beaten, as it's there to defend the artifact so it wouldn't fall into the wrong hands

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Srry new to this whole calamity lore thing

hallow hatch Jan 18, 2020, 7:36 AM

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That’s the adult eidolon wyrm

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That is the guardian

subtle fjord Jan 18, 2020, 7:37 AM

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That's what i imagined but it wasn't listed as a "boss" but as a miniboss

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Sorry for the confusion mate

distant gyro Jan 18, 2020, 7:37 AM

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second reminder is cadance and cadence

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CompleteFailure

hallow hatch Jan 18, 2020, 7:37 AM

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Yes

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That’s confusing

distant gyro Jan 18, 2020, 7:37 AM

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cadance is the potion name but cadance is not a valid word

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cadence is

hallow hatch Jan 18, 2020, 7:38 AM

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But imo lumenous has less of a case because there are two other enemies that use the spelling luminous

distant gyro Jan 18, 2020, 7:38 AM

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1*

keen geyser Jan 18, 2020, 7:38 AM

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~~boss suggestion~~

hallow hatch Jan 18, 2020, 7:38 AM

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And the accessory itself is merely providing light—thus the name ‘luminous’

tepid root Jan 18, 2020, 7:38 AM

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why is it spelled cadence

keen geyser Jan 18, 2020, 7:39 AM

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cadance

tepid root Jan 18, 2020, 7:39 AM

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fuck

hallow hatch Jan 18, 2020, 7:39 AM

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That’s an artistic choice on the mod makers part

keen geyser Jan 18, 2020, 7:39 AM

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I's a reference to my little pony

hallow hatch Jan 18, 2020, 7:39 AM

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But as there is no consistency for the word ‘luminous’ it would make sense to have all instances of the word in the same spelling

distant gyro Jan 18, 2020, 7:39 AM

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there's also this : Despite this item and its buff's name both being spelled "cadance", its tooltip spells it as "cadence".

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HDfailure

hallow hatch Jan 18, 2020, 7:40 AM

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Does that make you feel uncomfortable

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Sorry I don’t have a better word lmao

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That was aggressive

distant gyro Jan 18, 2020, 7:40 AM

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I never felt like Lumenous Amulet was weird

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Cadance is the meme though

hallow hatch Jan 18, 2020, 7:41 AM

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My point is that not that’s it’s wrong to change spellings but just to make it consistent