suggestions-discussion

[sand umbra]

it'd be nice if we knew whether or not he was online

[ruby cobalt]

he is

[distant gyro]

also add this to the 'leaves right after making a suggestion' counter

[hollow shell]

I will

[terse sundial]

thanks

[radiant meadow]

Time for me to disappear once again and work on a patron item.

[sand umbra]

oh my god he's actually set to online
a rare sight indeed

[void kelp]

seraph come back

[green pumice]

mfw when not permanent dnd

[hallow kraken]

force him over here

[distant gyro]

[swift bison]

my mistake

i was forced to leave and was unaware it was planned for next update

i apologize

[sand umbra]

...how were you not--

...actually, don't answer that

[radiant meadow]

it's alright. I'll just burn you on the spot anyways.

[sand umbra]

[swift bison]

[void kelp]

rip seraph, yeeted on the spot

[swift bison]

🔥

[hallow kraken]

seraph no

[distant gyro]

[sand umbra]

oh yeah @ alt
congrats on becoming yellow

[swift bison]

indeed

[green pumice]

it happened during the mutant experience

[gusty geode]

3 defense
On a post-Prov set

I actually don't believe that
There's no way

[hollow shell]

tbf the other armor pieces make up for it somewhat.

[keen geyser]

still kinda weird

[sinful violet]

pearlwood armor 2 electric booga-

[low salmon]

[zealous ridge]

alright, trying to digest these death changes

really interested in the concept on paper

seems like it will help the pacing of death mode fights a lot

[frosty dagger]

Where can you find them

[zealous ridge]

the death changes? in #changelogs

[ruby cobalt]

1. #changelogs
2. why the fuck are both of you in #suggestions-discussion

[zealous ridge]

well uh okay

[frosty dagger]

Thanks

[zealous ridge]

was unaware that this wasn't the place to talk about it

just thought this was the place for discussion about recent changes, i suppose

[dusty stirrup]

The proper channel would be #calamity-mod-talk

[zealous ridge]

my bad then... just thought it was a bit crowded in cal talk

[frosty dagger]

Mine to, I'm still a bit new to discord and should have checked other pages (or whatever their called) first

[unique vector]

no need to be extremely harsh on them lol

[zealous ridge]

yeah, i was a bit taken aback, but it's fine

no harm done

ill be waiting for more reveals, though, they help me see where dev focus is so i can shift my suggestions to compliment the plans

[ruby cobalt]

@opaque sierra there's one in crag chests

[opaque sierra]

Oh really

[hollow shell]

There's one in the crags, yeah

[opaque sierra]

Well I have bad luck then

[radiant meadow]

it's already craftable too

[hollow shell]

The lower houses, buried under the surface

[radiant meadow]

so like

[opaque sierra]

I haven’t seen any

[keen geyser]

is it not craftable?

[hollow shell]

Oh yeah look at that

I forgot people complained about this in the past

[radiant meadow]

can't really implement something I already did

[opaque sierra]

I’ve drilled through the crag several times with my onyx drill mount

[opaque sierra]

Well shit

[ruby cobalt]

oops

[opaque sierra]

I’m a retard lemme delete suggestion real swift

Damn jungle roses

I get them all the time in vanilla

And I haven’t got one once during my playthrough or calamity

[keen geyser]

buy them from the dryad

[opaque sierra]

Is there any specifics to that?

Time or moon phase?

I don’t remember seeing one in her shop

[ruby cobalt]

yes, it's called opening the shop and finding it

[opaque sierra]

[keen geyser]

i think it requires you to kill queen bee

or skeletron

don't remember

[opaque sierra]

I’m post ml

[hollow shell]

She always sells it.

[opaque sierra]

I’ve killed the shit out of both those bosses

[keen geyser]

yeah

[opaque sierra]

Yah I saw that earlier

[unique vector]

ive suggested an obsidian rose crafting recipe before

you can find it from the crags houses

[keen geyser]

or craft them as it is possible

[opaque sierra]

There ain’t a single one in my crag

[unique vector]

its almost guaranteed to be in one of those chests unless that was changed recently bc i havent played recently

[opaque sierra]

So I’ll craft one when I get on next

Oh yeah

Is there a way to craft diving helmet

[hollow shell]

It drops pretty often from Trashers

[unique vector]

yeah you can craft it

[keen geyser]

i sent that

earlier

?

[unique vector]

shh im kinda blind

anyway

[opaque sierra]

Where are thrashers

[keen geyser]

sulfuric sea

[hollow shell]

Sulphur Sea

[unique vector]

thrashers are in the sulf sea, but move to #calamity-mod-talk please

[hollow shell]

Yeah fair

[opaque sierra]

K

[unique vector]

ty

[teal ibex]

[versed tundra]

What can I type in the searchbar to find all the messages about the suggestion reviews?

[keen geyser]

i mean you could do from:hectique

[versed tundra]

thanks

[teal ibex]

brav is better for the recent suggestions. i've been busy the last week or so

[keen geyser]

oh yeah mb

brav

[versed tundra]

is there a keyword you two always use?

[teal ibex]

no

[keen geyser]

from:brav in:suggestions_discussion

[ruby cobalt]

has:link

[teal ibex]

^ that will do a decent job

if you're wondering how one of your suggestions did, both of us ping the people whose suggestions were delivered

so if you don't have a ping from either of us it hasn't been marked yet

[versed tundra]

I think mine is right after the last batch, but I just felt curious to see what got seen/approved before I got on this server.

thanks for the help

[gusty geode]

Just noticed the Bloody Edge has an RIV and the Night's Edge doesn't
Would it count as a specific item sug if I asked for this to be fixed

[zealous ridge]

ehh

[cobalt rose]

scourge of the desert has an RIV and scourge of the seas doesnt

[zealous ridge]

the same dynamic exists with spear of destiny/ichor spear

[foggy plover]

theres not really a correlation between what has a varient

besides weapons already based around borderlands

[sand umbra]

Conclave literally didn't even need one h

[zealous ridge]

i feel like there are more pressing matters to pay attention to

but it is odd that corruption misses out on not just 1, but 2 RIVs

oh wait

never mind actually, riv of carnage drops from blood zombos

so i guess my point is kind of null

[sand umbra]

Spear of Destiny still lols on Corruption though

poor Cursed Dagger ain't even that good compared to other options that can arguably be easier to get

[hallow kraken]

cursed dagger meme

[void kelp]

suggestion to buff cursed dagger

[distant gyro]

[hallow kraken]

Make it do something cool really

[distant gyro]

both cursed dagger and ichor spear are generic and not viable tbh but apparently ichor spear having a riv makes up for it

[hallow kraken]

Just “infinite throwing knife that also inflicts buffed on fire”

[sand umbra]

it'd be a nice introductory Cursed Inferno wep...if Cursed Inferno actually did anything of note

and the weapon itself isn't really cool at all

[queen sail]

Cursed Dagger should do smth different tbh

We already got a knife weapon that does stuff and inflicts a dot debuff at the same tier

[zealous ridge]

it is just a piercing dagger that bounces a few times off the ground

[sand umbra]

it's literally the Shadowflame Knife but rogue and worse

[zealous ridge]

(which weapon?)

oh shadowflame knife

well, even then, cursed dagger doesn't bounce off of enemies...?

i think

might be wrong

bounces off of tiles, not enemies

its just gel darts with inf use and a dot debuff

[sand umbra]

thoughts:

• Cursed Dagger explodes into infinitely-piercing but short-lived cursed flames on critical strikes
• Ichor Spear explodes into blood/ichor globules that last a while but hit once on critical strikes
• both of these types of child projectiles cannot hit enemies for 5 ticks after they spawn to prevent them all hitting the same enemy

[zealous ridge]

i would wait on the current rogue weapon stealth strike update

which i dont know when that will happen

but we know its being worked on

[distant gyro]

probably next update

[radiant meadow]

I doubt a stealth strike will magically make them viable

[sand umbra]

stealth itself isn't fantastically viable in early Hardmode

[radiant meadow]

but if it gets a stealth strike, that means it'll get tested

and possibly buffed

[sand umbra]

which is where these two weapons are placed

[zealous ridge]

stealth buff

but, memes aside

[radiant meadow]

stealth is an enigma that isn't fully ironed out yet I don't think

[sand umbra]

I may or may not be borrowing these sorts of ideas from the fact that Tubulance's wind slashes get a special ability on crits
one more point for the best rogue weapon

[zealous ridge]

well, that's good to hear

[radiant meadow]

definitely epic because I coded it but not the best

[zealous ridge]

i certainly don't think it's ironed out

stealth, i mean

im sure you guys have plans

[radiant meadow]

we do?

[zealous ridge]

[queen sail]

The truth is nobody knows what we’re doing

Including ourselves

[sand umbra]

[queen sail]

We’re all big brain

[zealous ridge]

fair enough kirby

[queen sail]

[sand umbra]

Stealth to me is an enigma

it's a mechanic that by virtue of how it works is often overlooked even as someone playing rogue

until the latest of late-game...where it becomes beyond busted

[zealous ridge]

but like, i have wack many ideas for stealth

eh, it isn't really beyond busted in my experience

[sand umbra]

Eclipse Mirror

[zealous ridge]

okay but like

[sand umbra]

chance to dodge and gain full stealth + retarded stealth gain while standing still + stealth gain while moving + stealth strikes at Darksun-tier+ are stupid strong + remember that all the other rogue things exist to further boost it

oh and also all stealth strikes take and require 50% of max stealth

[queen sail]

Dark God’s Sheath builds it up at speed

[sand umbra]

hell that starts with Dark God's Sheath

except because of how it works it ends up being too much too late

[radiant meadow]

ruin medallion isn't bad iirc

[sand umbra]

it's not

it's just that like, stealth as a mechanic is not very easy to utilize in its current state

[zealous ridge]

darksun dodge not properly dodging attacks, still having to be still or not attack for a while to charge stealth at a ludicrous rate, stealth strike effects are weak at that tier (really youll only be doing it for dps on non-stealthstrike weapons)

that's my experience at least

what i noticed from it

[sand umbra]

honestly stealth is just

you either get way too much out of it or you get nothing from it

[queen sail]

That’s where you get Dual Wield and abuse the fact that other-handed weapons don’t deplete stealth /s

[sand umbra]

there isn't really an inbetween

[zealous ridge]

cmoon inkblot candle

[umbral mulch]

Yeah

[zealous ridge]

or i think i called it something else

[umbral mulch]

I said that a while ago thomas

[sand umbra]

you did?

[umbral mulch]

Yes

[sand umbra]

must've missed the memo, my apologies

[zealous ridge]

yeah, kirn has felt this way for awhile

but its a fair point

[sand umbra]

but like, I really do agree

[umbral mulch]

I feel like the only way to make stealth actually work is to have it as a replacement adrenaline of sorts

Since if you make it viable on it's own with adrenaline it's just gonna be bonkers

[zealous ridge]

^i disagree with that^

but fair enough

[sand umbra]

I think something like Vortex stealth is a better way to go about it, but

[zealous ridge]

you're entitled to your own ideas

[sand umbra]

that'd take a huge rebalance/rework of stealth strikes and accs across the board, so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[zealous ridge]

there are a lot of ways to approach stealth's problems

[umbral mulch]

I say that because of that reason

The most likely solution if they're gonna try one

Is probably a replacement adrenaline

Simple to make

And solves the problem

[sand umbra]

would I be willing to go into that timesink? if I didn't have more important things to assess, I absolutely would try my hand at the Vortex stealth knockoff

but given the things the main devs wanna work on it ain't feasible, now or in the near future

so I can see something like Adrenaline working fine...maybe

as long as it doesn't become another balancing headache

[zealous ridge]

id wait on hearing what devs wanna do about it

[sand umbra]

I already hate balancing around rippers as it is

[zealous ridge]

at least, im holding off on it until they give us info

making my own ideas, i mean

[lost agate]

Stealth becoming bootleg adren sounds bleh

And it just kills stealth strikes

[umbral mulch]

I'm not saying it's a pretty solution Because it's fucking not but it's the most realistic one

[lost agate]

No its not

Not getting hit isnt really related to stealth

And rogue would just be "nohit: the class"

And im sure as hell people wont like having part of their class locked by nohitting

[sand umbra]

^

[umbral mulch]

I mean if you get hit they know where you are

They just hit you after all

[lost agate]

They know where you are before youre hit

Otherwise why is there even a risk of being hit

So logic wise its also falling flat

Its like saying "oh a overgrown dragon isnt hitting me because it doesnt know where i am, despite the fact its constantly trying to ram me"

[sand umbra]

yeah that's pretty

[zealous ridge]

i for one, would like to see the evasive-ness of stealth as a stat helped

for instance, the sand cloak and uh... forgot what the other one was called, help the class's evasiveness at the cost of stealth

spectral veil

[hollow shell]

"evasiveness" like, dodge chance?

Or movement speed?

[sand umbra]

I think the general term is

mobility.

[zealous ridge]

like, they give the class movement/evasion capability

[sand umbra]

something I've been a fan of for a while is the idea of rogue having higher mobility than other classes at the cost of being squishier than those other classes

(this is sorta separate from the stealth idea I had but also plays into it, my ideas are weird and complicated)

but like e.g. Statis' Ninja Belt, a decidedly rogue accessory, grants a dash

[zealous ridge]

it seems related, i think, to the general balance of rogue as a whole

[queen sail]

Aren’t rogue/thief classes intended to be speedy

In bursts

[sand umbra]

yes, and that's what I'm referring to

[queen sail]

[sand umbra]

granting additional potential mobility options to rogue but in turn reducing tankiness and making them squishier

to give them even more ways to evade their taxes

[zealous ridge]

i think kirby's on to something with the "speedy in bursts" idea

[sand umbra]

ye

[queen sail]

I mean consider the concept of rogue, also known as the thief class

When you think of a thief, you have to think of being fast but also being stealthy

Also about robbing people but still

[zealous ridge]

the class also has a sort of "trapping" or setup dynamic, with the spiky balls

[lost agate]

Hell's sun is quite literally setting a minefield for provi to run into

[queen sail]

God’s Paranoia on DoG

[zealous ridge]

yharon, rather

i think

[queen sail]

Though tbh they might mean something in the buffed moon events

[lost agate]

Yeah they were balanced for moon events

[zealous ridge]

fair enough

[frosty dagger]

Mabey when holding a rouge weapon with rouge armor as a default feature you move, turn, fall, and accelerate faster and a cost of increased damage taken. (Kinda like how summons deal less damage when holding a weapon from another class)

I wouldn't put it on a accessory chain because rouge getting a third late game accessory would be to op and unessissary and armors already have enough text as is

[queen delta]

@ashen warren already planned

[hallow kraken]

resprite sug lol

[hollow shell]

It's been in progress for a while

It's taking a lot of time because.. it's Leviathan, the sprite's massive

[ashen warren]

oh nice

[queen delta]

any boss sprites that seem lower quality than others most likely have a resprite planned, so keep that in mind

[ashen warren]

Nice! Again Im still pretty new to modern Calamity. So I might sound like a total ding dong a lot of the time

[queen delta]

Well, you should probably take some time to get into Calamity and its community before you make suggestions

That's what I did when I first joined

[tepid root]

iirc the levi base sprite is already done, theyre just working on the anims now

[ashen warren]

yeah thats probably a good idea lol

[devout seal]

I know this isn't suggestion-based
but, rover
did'ya see someone begin to animate new levi's sprite?

[hollow shell]

I heard about it, didn't see it

[radiant meadow]

Iban has been working on it

[worthy fiber]

new design -->

[sand umbra]

--> good

[void kelp]

Levi dash be like <—

[karmic stone]

iirc the levi base sprite is already done
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/404775224106811412/568538093460914206/unknown.png?width=1105&height=677

Ye

Yharon takes priority right?

[swift wadi]

That's amazing

[frosty dagger]

Agreed

[tepid root]

sex

[queen sail]

||Somebody’s animating levi rn||

[zealous ridge]

Gruby, you have a reason I presume?

I would add that to the suggestion

[hollow idol]

it was nerfed for a reason

[ashen warren]

well yeah

[hollow idol]

and likely wont ever be unnerfed

just use zerg, battle, and both candles

[ashen warren]

the main point why I want it was because it helps a lot when grinding

[karmic stone]

Battle + Water + Zerg + Chaos has spawnrates similar to old zerg

[ashen warren]

and it is annoying to get

[hollow shell]

You need to provide a reason in your suggestion

[karmic stone]

So just do that

[hollow shell]

and yeah do what Add said

[zealous ridge]

Yeah, it just takes more effort overall to reach old Zerg level spawnrates

[hollow shell]

(which is good)

[karmic stone]

Old zerg trivialized grinding alot yea

[zealous ridge]

yes

[hollow idol]

What if late game thing that combines all four spawnrate boosters

[zealous ridge]

calamitous candle

[swift wadi]

Candle of calamity

[ashen warren]

[sand umbra]

old Zerg allowed people to shoot down any potentially-creative grinding solution with "just Zerg lole"

which was smelly

[zealous ridge]

but, point is, discussion and general opinions on old Zerg was that it trivialized grinding too much with little effort

[gusty geode]

The devs wanted people to actually have to work to get materials

[ashen warren]

the most annoying part for me is that it always spawned the armored digger within 3sec

[sand umbra]

besides, Reduced Grinding's War Potions are better anyway, especially after the Battle Potion buff

[karmic stone]

Are you gonna edit/delete your sugma anytime soon or

[hollow shell]

un-nerfing the Zerg potion wouldn't solve Armored Digger spawns . _.

[sharp mulch]

actually if you use both spawn rate potions and the candle is even better than the old zerg

[swift wadi]

That would take the fun out of the Crystal working with specific character names tho

[hollow shell]

@potent veldt "Only those that are worthy can use this item before Yharon is defeated" is the full line.
If you have a dev's name, it works before Yharon.

[potent veldt]

I know, I just didn't want to type out the whole thing

[teal ibex]

also it's a perfect defense against cheaters who blow up their base

[hollow idol]

Actually I just had an idea: Locking use of heaven disc (or whatever the astral chest item is) until aureus is killed since the astral chest can be buggy and open early

[potent veldt]

My point is that no one but a Dev or a cheater would be able to get it that early to begin with, which, if you're a cheater, why even use the thing, when you literally have the entire DevWeapon section to choose from instead, without any penalty or requirements?

[hollow idol]

and you could just kill yharon with godmode anyways

[potent veldt]

^^^

[hallow kraken]

Wouldn’t it be a better idea to get the bug fixed

[teal ibex]

the reason you'd use it is because it's one of the hardest items to obtain legitimately

[potent veldt]

But then just kill Yharon first

[hallow kraken]

I think I just said something dumb

[potent veldt]

And then use it

[teal ibex]

any dev weapon is easier to get than yharim's crystal. 1/100 from yharon takes hours at minimum

[potent veldt]

Again

If you're cheating already, just kill Yharon

The tooltip even tells you what to do to use it

[teal ibex]

you wouldn't know to do that if the text was gone.

[potent veldt]

It's not a very effective countermeasure/troll when it gives you instructions on how to beat it

[teal ibex]

that's the point

[hollow shell]

And if you cheat Yharim's Crystal in because you're trying to get it to drop from Yharon and failing, then you've already satisfied the conditions for using it

[teal ibex]

people can't complain about it because they were instructed on what they could do to use it

if you remove the text, cheaters use the weapon due to ignorance

and come here to complain about it

it's the infinity problem

[potent veldt]

Then, remove the requirement to begin with, if that's somehow the reason why that text is there.

[teal ibex]

let me use this weapon i don't fully understand and then complain when it breaks my game -- either remove the hindrance or leave the text imo

[potent veldt]

Then, yeah, remove the hinderance to begin with

[teal ibex]

i'm cool with removing the dynamite meme, ye, just not the text. too messy of a possible outcome with peeps filling #bugs-read-pins for no reason

[potent veldt]

The text and requirement altogether just seems more like an unnecessary step for something that is no longer possible to obtain legitimately at a game-breaking point

[queen delta]

I'm not concerned at all about the #bugs-read-pins thing

I just think this whole dynamite meme is unnecessary now

[potent veldt]

So just remove the requirement altogether. No other weapon in the game except Murasama has this kind of requirement, and for Murasama it makes sense given that you can get it really early.

[teal ibex]

i don't disagree

removing the dynamite is fine, but removing the text means people will swarm #bugs-read-pins -- that was my point

[queen delta]

Oh

[hollow shell]

(do note that Vehemence, Fabstaff, Void Vortex, Apotheosis, etc all are not locked. It's just Yharim's Crystal)

[queen delta]

Yeah, just let us cheat in yharim's crystal and use it

[teal ibex]

ye but again, those are all arguably easier to obtain. there's a reason behind it -- just not a very good one lol

[queen delta]

Whenever I set up a BR or scal arena, i gotta kill yharon if i wanna use the crystal which is

[teal ibex]

though you could argue fabstaff is pretty rough

[potent veldt]

What I'm saying is to just remove the requirement to kill Yharon to use it

[lost agate]

where is the fun in that tho

[potent veldt]

If you do that, along with the text, no one would even know

[queen delta]

What fun is there if the only way you can obtain it is from yharon or cheat sheet

and if you have cheat sheet, you're probably gonna just slap on godmode and kill yharon anyways

[lost agate]

which is more effort nonetheless

[queen delta]

yeah so its pointless

[hollow shell]

What's the point in deterring cheaters over this one item

What's the point in deterring cheaters at all? Who cares?

[queen delta]

this was only a thing cuz it could be obtained anytime, and now thats gone, yet the anti cheat still remains

[sand umbra]

time to deter cheaters from using dev weapons before SCal

and from using exo/Auric weps before Yharon/Draedon

[queen delta]

Yeah I was against anti butcher from the start, and have made a suggestion for it before

[hollow idol]

anti cheat just makes testing harder

[queen sail]

Deter cheaters who choose to cheat on their own volition

[queen delta]

anti cheat just says "fuck you" to op weapons that are probably just used for fun

[hollow idol]

sandbox game

[sand umbra]

anti-cheat is a game of
"I have the infinity sword"
"well I have the infinity shield that blocks your infinity sword"
"well I have the infinity glove that empowers my infinity sword enough to break through your infinity shield"
"well I have--"

[queen delta]

https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/605925642533470219
yeah i already suggested it before

[sand umbra]

pretty sure it was Terry who described it in about this fashion before but it bears repeating

[queen delta]

i'd suggest it again but it was on july, so still in blue checkmark range

[queen sail]

Don’t we have a pin saying “Don’t shit on people for using other mods that break balance because this is a game aimed for people of all ages and is considered on the surface to be 2D Minecraft”

[sand umbra]

yes

[hollow shell]

Not in this channel

but, probably somewhere

[lost agate]

A gazillion other games have some sort of anti cheat just because

[sand umbra]

in Calamity talk

[hollow idol]

"Terraria is a sandbox game. No need to shame or look down on others for using "cheaty" mods like AlchNPC, luiafk, wingslot, etc."

[sand umbra]

and by Yata, no less

[hollow shell]

I use Luiafk in every playthrough, personally

Just saves time

[lost agate]

so if its like a sin to just slap an anti cheese somewhere just for shits and giggles then geez

[sand umbra]

you can't really compare Calamity to "a gazillion other games"

not in a scenario where having anti-cheat in place can actively ruin the fun from other "OP"/"cheaty" parts of the "game"

[wide flicker]

Most of the time anti cheat is for multiplayer pvp

[queen sail]

slapping an anti cheese on one item is a sin is geez

[sand umbra]

Calamity is, at the end of the day, a mod for a game that never had anti-cheat in the first place and never needed to

[queen delta]

oh wow i completely forgot about that one

[queen sail]

Jokes run old

[queen delta]

[gusty geode]

Idk what the problem with the text is
Maybe I'm just not looking in the right places but afaik there's not that many idiots around here

[sand umbra]

you'd be surprised

[cobalt rose]

things like calamitas saying "go to hell" if you butcher her are still ok to leave in, it doesnt really do anything

[lost agate]

ah well

[radiant meadow]

The problem is that the mechanic can be an inconvenience at sometimes

[hollow idol]

^

[queen sail]

Also Yharim’s Crystal used to be a bootleg old Legendary

Hence why it has anti cheat

[lost agate]

guess im just gonna go before i get judged to high hell for something i dont think its a big deal

[wide flicker]

Also all the dev weapons are useless because you can't even use them against the bosses that last more than 2 seconds against them

[lost agate]

but whatever

[sand umbra]

it's lowkey incredibly annoying to not be able to butcher late-game bosses for testing purposes

[hollow idol]

^

[radiant meadow]

I do remember blowing up a house after getting it from a weapon rack
(I forgot tmod ate weapons)

[hollow shell]

ay look at that changelog, Thomas

[queen sail]

Oh, nut?

[hollow shell]

Unfortunately doesn't count as a completion cuz you said to swap em

[queen sail]

[sand umbra]

close enough for me

[hollow shell]

Ye still a win

[sand umbra]

I'll still take that as a win

[queen sail]

The main point (Rage no longer being when hit while in use) went through so it is by all means a win

[sand umbra]

mhm

[random flume]

un nerf the zerg potion

lol

[zealous ridge]

Death exclusive items is kind of a no go so I’ve heard

ONLY cosmetic things, if at all

[hollow shell]

@chilly elk Yeah Death Mode-exclusive item suggestions are a no

[zealous ridge]

And even then, really only dev or patron

[umbral mulch]

To me the death incentive was damage and then that got thrown out the window so it would kind of be nice to have a reason to play death

[hollow shell]

s'been a rule since the onset of suggestion rules

[chilly elk]

Why if I may ask?

[gusty geode]

I have even less of an idea what I'm talking about than normal
But
Why would a team-oriented acc like the Paladin's Shield be used in a non-team-oriented line

[distant gyro]

no intent to do so

[worthy fiber]

Death mode was intended as an extra difficulty which should only be picked for extra challenge

[hollow shell]

It applied more in the past, admittedly,
back when people were allowed to suggest exact specific items with names and sprites and stats, etc

And of course making something Death Mode-exclusive was just another thing to add to the super edge OC awesome item checklist

[distant gyro]

both death mode exclusive items are dedicated so they have a special charm

[void kelp]

one of them is basically a meme item

[hollow shell]

For the time being Death Mode isn't supposed to have any real incentive behind it
It's just difficulty

[zealous ridge]

which... eh

[hollow shell]

Might change with the upcoming changes

but, for the moment, that's how it is

[zealous ridge]

I guess I’m fine with that rn

[umbral mulch]

If adrenaline is getting gutted I want something in return bc that was fun

[zealous ridge]

It does seem to be less separated from rev now

[void kelp]

I assume it’ll be less separated before it becomes more differentiated

[chilly elk]

Personally at least when it comes to things like that I find there should always be an incentive to play it, if it feels not much different then rev, why play it over rev is the way i see it

[void kelp]

bc self-imposed challenges like defiled, arma,

[distant gyro]

sole incentive is and has always been difficulty

[umbral mulch]

Those two do something though

One increases drop rates and the other gives you 6 bags

[distant gyro]

defiled and arma are difficulties at the circumstance of qol

[void kelp]

the difficulty brought by death has no reward as of now aside from hypothetically increased challenge

[zealous ridge]

well, part of that is a hallmark example of calamity’s rapt inclination towards more difficulty

[void kelp]

If death introduced some harder AI stuff that’d be neat

[umbral mulch]

The reward is adrenaline

Was at least

[distant gyro]

but death mode's sole purpose is always difficulty and it has always been that way since the existence of prepare to cry

[hollow shell]

well, Prepare to Cry had exclusive rewards too iirc

Granted, Death does too, just not many

[gusty geode]

The reward for the higher difficulty
Is something that makes it easier

[zealous ridge]

some people may feel like losing that ripper boost would take away from the incentive of death

But not me

I think the faster phase transitions and higher dmg are reason enough personally

[umbral mulch]

I have fun trying my damned hardest to not get hit and try to get adrenaline

But now the damage boost is just 150% again

[hollow shell]

I think we ought to see how the Death Mode rework works out before we start makin suggestions and assumptions about it

[umbral mulch]

Why do I care that much about getting adrenaline

[zealous ridge]

yeah honestly we should wait

[sand umbra]

byeah a lot of Death Mode changes are in the works
probably best to wait

[gusty geode]

Ig on the topic
Permission to bring up an extremely dead debate

[sand umbra]

no

[ashen warren]

wait people don't like the ripper changes?

[sand umbra]

I do

it'll make Adrenaline less of a headache to balance against

[zealous ridge]

some people don’t, perhaps

[ashen warren]

my first reaction was about time

[sand umbra]

and Rage is actually becoming relevant which I accept as a win

[zealous ridge]

I mean that’s self evident that some people won’t like the changes

[gusty geode]

Still think you should actually be punished for failing to dodge an attack
Certain something still prevents that

[ashen warren]

you are punished

[sand umbra]

I mean, you are punished for failing to dodge an attack

[ashen warren]

you lose health

[sand umbra]

that's what taking--

fuck

[ashen warren]

that's the main point

[hollow shell]

You fucking die if you do it like twice in the span of a few seconds

[ashen warren]

you just die faster if you don't dodge

[sand umbra]

if you dodge, you survive longer

if you don't dodge, you survive longern't

that's the simple truth of it

[zealous ridge]

[gusty geode]

RoD exists tho
Is what I'm referring to

[sand umbra]

...I'm stunned

[hollow shell]

Is using RoD "failing" to dodge?

[zealous ridge]

well I mean, that’s a dodge mechanic in and of itself

[sand umbra]

I've never actually seen someone highball the cheese factor of RoD until now

[hollow shell]

You already have +25% damage taken

[sand umbra]

good job, you've officially broken my head

[quick ice]

RoD is more of a “Get out of jail free card”

[ashen warren]

it takes little effort to use rod
but yeah that's a bit of a stretch

[zealous ridge]

To say you aren’t punished at all for using rod in some capacity is untruthful

[sand umbra]

to put that in perspective, I'm the guy who actually despises having to balance against RoD in the first place

[umbral mulch]

Every 5 seconds you get to not dodge an attack and push a button instead :D

[zealous ridge]

I mean, it’s more complicated than that

[ashen warren]

and you lose 2 seconds of dps every time

and usetimes don't make it instant

[hollow shell]

Fun balancing idea:

Make Rod always take health away when used. Permanent Chaos State (but without the Abyss effects)

Now you really gotta think before you hit that Normality key

[umbral mulch]

Hell yeah brother

[ashen warren]

you can be swinging something and press the button for teleport and you still gotta wait

[sand umbra]

you're gonna regret this in 2.5 seconds Rover

[zealous ridge]

chaos state becomes a dot debuff

[ashen warren]

as for the use of health as a resource, i agree

[sand umbra]

you just gave me the exact inspiration I needed for NR

[ashen warren]

but I don't think it should be for RoD

[sand umbra]

[hollow shell]

Fuck

[ashen warren]

that should prolly be a mage thing

lifeburn nonsense

also technically true meme uses health to an extent when facetanking

[quick ice]

For rovers idea, I’d love that as a config option or as an attached mechanic to Revengeance/Death mode

[gusty geode]

Even if I'm remembering wrong about how strong it is
Still think blocking RoD use entirely while afflicted with Chaos State is the best way to go

[sand umbra]

ehhhh

[hollow shell]

I disagree

[ashen warren]

that would do next to nothing

[sand umbra]

see, I disagree

in fact, that'd be a QoL-style buff

[hollow shell]

Taking damage is a fitting punishment for trying to Get-Out-Of-Jail too many attacks too quickly.

[ashen warren]

you still get a free dodge every 5s

[sand umbra]

because now you're incapable of taking the damage penalty

and you still get the free teleport every so often

[hollow shell]

Remember that Normality saps 1/4 of your health if you do that

[quick ice]

Duration of Chaos state could also be increased (10 seconds would be a nice #)

[gusty geode]

^

[ashen warren]

honestly if the RoD had a range and chaos state stacked and shortened the distance every time then sure

but terraria for some dumbfuck reason attached resolution to the amount of shit you can see

[void kelp]

it would be neat if RoD just took a solid % of health each use, only increasing exponentially when you use it w chaos state

[zealous ridge]

this is a difficult problem to approach

I like it

[ashen warren]

not in my opinion

[zealous ridge]

Gives me a lot to think about

[swift wadi]

Br why we nerfing RoD, it's fine

[ashen warren]

balancing teleportation mechanics is easy

unless you're dealing with terraria

[quick ice]

It is, primarily because a lot of people like the RoD so to balance it you’d have to find a way that makes it weaker without pissing off half of the server

[zealous ridge]

[ashen warren]

which has untold amounts of design choices

[lost agate]

I mean, in some scenarios if the dmg is higher than this tp penalty might as well eat the hit/die

And for something you have to actively try to farm for/fish for that may let some people down

[gusty geode]

Imo it's a problem if fanbase response is a factor in whether or not an item is balanced

[hard crescent]

yeah but paladin shield toggle tho

[hollow shell]

DoG's big fat face can nearly insta-kill you or will definitely insta-kill you
So it's always a good idea to RoD/Normality out of the way even if you have Chaos State

[ashen warren]

basically if I were to design it from the start it would be like mist raven, sekiro fyi

capped distance

needs timing

[umbral mulch]

You bet your ass I take RoD damage instead of boss damage most times

[zealous ridge]

Okay but like, we aren’t in that perfect world

[lost agate]

Yeah but im talking about the idea of receiving dmg from rod even without chaos state

[ashen warren]

yeah I already said I disagree with that before

the use of health as a teleportation resource is silly

[wide flicker]

how though

[ashen warren]

the entire point of teleporting in a boss fight is to avoid damage

[lost agate]

As to be entirely fair, RoD is what it is cuz the original obtaining method is basically getting a miracle in hallow

[gusty geode]

TF2's a good example of that
Base Jumper was an extremely popular meme weapon that, in the right hands, could give ludicrous air control because you could freely change your fall-speed by opening and closing it
When they nerfed it so you could only open and close it once
There was outrage from the casual community
But the nerf went we through anyway, and serious players are grateful for it

[frosty dagger]

As a noob who completely relies on the rod to consistently dodge I would hate a Nerf
...but RoD needs it, increasing chaos state and taking a small amount of damage to use seems like a good nerf

[ashen warren]

does someone want to write this up and let the people decide then?

[lost agate]

Or the crafting recipe could dissapear and rod would become what it was meant to be

A rare convenience

[sand umbra]

greater Chaos State duration, greater health loss if used under Chaos State

that's all RoD needs imo

[swift wadi]

Inb4 No-hitters are fucked as RoD no longer is allowed to be used due to taking damage

[umbral mulch]

That everyone would farm for

[swift wadi]

[frosty dagger]

Should include several options for nerf when suggested

[gusty geode]

Point I'm trying to make here
Is that fan response shouldn't be a major factor in balancing an item
In fact, if there's that much outrage from something getting nerfed, all the more reason to nerf it

[lost agate]

No one farms for rod in vanilla to my understanding

[umbral mulch]

I did

[frosty dagger]

I did

[umbral mulch]

Few other people I know did

[hollow shell]

I sure as hell tried

[zealous ridge]

See what I mean when I say this is a complicated problem to approach? Lmao

[ashen warren]

make rod of discord a drop rate equal to halibut
remove the rune thing

[wide flicker]

I know several people who do

[hollow shell]

You wanna know why?

Because it's the best single item in the entire game

[lost agate]

And the rarity excuses it

We made it easier to obtain and voila

[umbral mulch]

Rarity doesn't matter if you can set up an AFK farm and get it eventually

[sand umbra]

I think the big thing here is that Calamity makes RoD a bajillion times easier to get

[ashen warren]

afk farms are never considered

[sand umbra]

and it becomes comparatively busted as a result

[ashen warren]

not even vanilla does

[lost agate]

That eventually could be an entire week

[umbral mulch]

Then make it not an AFK farm and farm it yourself in an open area in the underground hallow

[lost agate]

And still take one week

[gusty geode]

Gotta remember the lengths some people go to to get important items
If a meta slave player wants it, they'll do whatever it takes

[sand umbra]

in vanilla, I can at least see why it's so strong; it's stupidly rare

[umbral mulch]

Battle and water candle exist at the start of hardmode

[ashen warren]

they are

[umbral mulch]

And when I was farming it in vanilla it really didn't take that long

[sand umbra]

that doesn't mean I entirely support it, but it does mean I understand it

[ashen warren]

far from relevant

[sand umbra]

(also Battle and Water actually suck in vanilla)

[umbral mulch]

They do

[ashen warren]

imo, range limit fixes all
el peace

[sand umbra]

imo, no

[hollow shell]

not really

It'd still get you out of the way of a hungry DoG

[sand umbra]

or a fluffy dragon who hugs too hard

[lost agate]

So if you wanna talk more about rod, my single and simple solution is remove the recipe and defiled rate

[sand umbra]

and his fat-ass 'nadoes

[frosty dagger]

Several options for nerfs here
Increases difficulty to obtain
Increase chaos state time
Increase damage by chaos state
Increase damage taken with chaos state

[lost agate]

Make it was it was meant to be

And thats it

[ashen warren]

you are severely overestimating how far the teleport would be

[sand umbra]

return RoD to its original obtaining difficulty

[hard crescent]

slow down player when under chaos state?

[hollow shell]

If the teleport is like only two or three player-distances away then it's hardly worth it

[ashen warren]

it wouldn't allow free yharon dodge

[hollow shell]

A dash can do that

[umbral mulch]

I mean I still don't excuse halibut cannon dispite being 1 in a million

[sand umbra]

that'd be the easiest nerf, the harshest in Calamity's context, and the most logical

[distant gyro]

people be like that

tbh a crazy idea is to raise usetime/useanimation for everything in presence of rod

[vital anchor]

It's 'too good', nerf it
Makes changes
It's bad now, buff it

[lost agate]

If you think rarity cant excuse power then im sure as hell you wont like half the games i play

[distant gyro]

hell, raise usetime of rod itself

[hollow shell]

yo

Make RoD require a short charge-up time to use

[swift wadi]

owo

[ashen warren]

RoD shouldn't be viable into post-ml

you get it at the start of hm

[sand umbra]

uh

RoD isn't a weapon

it's a tool

[swift wadi]

^

[umbral mulch]

I probably wouldn't like half the games you play

[sand umbra]

and a very unique sort of tool, at that

[ashen warren]

I know?

[frosty dagger]

Charging it is to slow, make it's animation after teleport long

Should be useable post ml

[ashen warren]

Rod is what rover just said

[swift wadi]

You get wrath potions in early-prehm and they're good until post ML

[ashen warren]

the strongest item in the game

[distant gyro]

tools can freely be viable pml

[umbral mulch]

If something incredibly powerful is locked behind a large amount of RNG you're just making it a headache to get for the people that are going to get it anyway no matter what

[ashen warren]

actually no

you can't use a molten pickaxe until p-ml

[sand umbra]

actually you absolutely can

[distant gyro]

you can... bomb most of the hardmode ores and null them

[ashen warren]

not if you like mining

[sand umbra]

fishing

bombs

[distant gyro]

in fact I don't even get a gallant pickaxe ever

[swift wadi]

You can bomb Cryogenic ore, I think it's called

[distant gyro]

just because bombs exist

they end up being a hassle to get

[vital anchor]

Or just veinminer.

[lost agate]

If everything was made easy to get and balanced like that then theres nothing that really rewards your efforts

Its just bland

[potent veldt]

^^^

[gusty geode]

Since we're moving away from the topic
We have enough on RoD for a sug

[lost agate]

I can get everything i want in 5 minutes and theyre all average, so nothing is special and you end up with just that, an average experience

[hollow shell]

(I'd still love a fantastical miracle world where all of Terraria's RNG drop chances get replaced with drops after certain numbers of kills
RoD drops when you kill the 500th Chaos Elemental, not a moment sooner nor later)

[distant gyro]

you can do that with banners

10 banners for a rod

[hollow shell]

Isn't that exactly what imkSushi does?

or, Fargo?

Some mod?

[distant gyro]

I think fargo

[hollow shell]

Yeah imk would use its tokens

[sand umbra]

inb4 all of the late-game boss weapon drops become after a certain number of kills

[distant gyro]

halibut cannon requiring 20,000 banners

[hollow shell]

anyway that's just my god-dream

Someone make a RoD sugma

Make this convo worth it

[ashen warren]

I think I finally understand why people complain when you do the "but this exists" argument
just because there are other options doesn't mean the one talked about is suddenly obsolete
there is a balance curve to how easily you can obtain something and how good it is when talking about something which intends to be non-linear, which calamity does
the rod of discord is right broken, fixing it, in my opinion, would mean making it stop being viable at some point so it doesn't end up consistently becoming the best item of all time period
the stance of doing nothing about broken mechanics because other broken mechanics exists is infantile

and no, you isn't specific

[sand umbra]

...alright, sure, I'll give it a whirl

don't think for a second this changes my personal opinion on RoD, though

[lost agate]

Wait who mentioned other mechanics

[hollow shell]

Seems like Squid's doing one

[sand umbra]

aw fuck

I was gonna sugg the death of Defiled RoD and crafting recipe

[hollow shell]

imo boosting rarity is a bad solution

[swift wadi]

:echfull:

rip

[sand umbra]

it's not boosting rarity

it'll put RoD right back to where it was from the start

[hollow shell]

Because it just makes the same overpowered item more annoying to get

People are still going to try, they'll just be less happy doing it

[sand umbra]

well in that case

[ashen warren]

thomas said it was a tool and therefore is excused from being viable until boss rush
I mentioned that you can't use the same basic tools until the endgame
then the response I got was
"but bombs"

[sand umbra]

greater Chaos State period, larger health penalty for getting spammy

that's it.

that's all that needs to happen.

[ashen warren]

that's what, shucks

[lost agate]

Ok

[sand umbra]

it's a simple nerf and it's one that makes RoD much more strategic in nature while not cucking its rarity back up to vanilla levels

[zealous ridge]

Rod is sure as hell a strong item but I don’t see it as game breaking

Alright here’s my perspective on this

RoD is not fun for me to use at all, so I usually avoid it until I can get normality. But even when I get it, such as in vanilla or when I grind it early in case I need it for subsequent fights, I never find myself using it for bosses because the teleport leaves me somewhat disoriented and drags the pacing of the fight to a temporary halt. Even when I have normality, I rarely use it for teleports, I use it for the increased fall speed. The teleport is very niche in my experience, so it’s just interesting for me to see such polarizing opinions in comparison to mine... just some thoughts.

As for making it rare like before, I don’t know if that would change it being broken in the hands of those who want to use it, it just makes less people able to use it because the chances are lower that you’ll get it... and idk if that’s really a purely balance solution

[ashen warren]

Imagine if double rod just straight up killed you while a boss is alive

[distant gyro]

@ashen warren sorry but I felt like doing that idk why
As I said, tools can be freely viable post-ml but it doesn't apply to all tools
Take torrential tear

[sand umbra]

inb4 Torrential Tear works less the later in the game you are

kek

[distant gyro]

Pickaxes are a prime example of something that consistently loses its viability

[ashen warren]

tear doesn't have a scaling mechanic

[distant gyro]

Event toggles aren't

[sand umbra]

neither does RoD

[hard crescent]

oh right

[ashen warren]

a free dodge is just as useful against king slime as it is against scal

[hard crescent]

thanks for reminding me

[ashen warren]

even though one is vastly more difficult than the other

[lost agate]

Except its not a free dodge

[sand umbra]

RoD requires at least 2 IQ to utilize

it isn't Shadow Dodge, which is actually a free dodge and takes no effort at all to proc

[ashen warren]

learning rod of discord has never been said to be hard

[lost agate]

You could accidentally tp into something or tp into a situation thats gets you cornered

[gusty geode]

Got the sug up

[lost agate]

Its not hard to click a spot on your screen

[sand umbra]

I never said it was hard, I said it requires not being an idiot

[ashen warren]

I know

[sand umbra]

these two things are different

[teal ibex]

oh god oh god oh god

a rod suggestion

[sand umbra]

hi hec

[ashen warren]

hEC

[sand umbra]

welcome to hell

[zealous ridge]

[lost agate]

Its hard to make that click not lead you to smth else

[teal ibex]

i'm gonna be extremely real with you squid

please don't do this

[umbral mulch]

d o i t

[swift wadi]

D o n t d o i t

Not my baby

[sand umbra]

and this is why I never made a sugg on RoD despite my personal distaste for its mechanics

[umbral mulch]

D O I T

[frank stratus]

[ashen warren]

yeah you eventually need to pin down a mechanic

[sand umbra]

because this sugg in particular is going to get backlash out the wazoo because nobody wants their precious teleport stick nerfed

[potent veldt]

I personally just think it's dodge should straight up deal damage

[ashen warren]

and apparently nobody ever likes your taste

[potent veldt]

No chaos state or anything, just damage as it's punishment

[hollow shell]

Idea

Squid

Don't specify an exact nerf like you do with movement speed

let people come up with their own nerfs and vote with that

[potent veldt]

^^^

[frank stratus]

It can't be used in nohits if it deals damage, I thought that's been discussed many times before

[hollow shell]

The important part is that RoD gets nerfed, increased punishment

[swift wadi]

RoD doesn't need a nerf

[hollow shell]

not exactly how

[potent veldt]

You never want to be more specific than you need to

[hard crescent]

i dont even use the damn thing, who cares if its busted? Its been busted all this time so whatever

[teal ibex]

there is literally

NEVER

going to be a satisfying state of rod of discord

[sand umbra]

yeah I'm gonna yeet on outta here

[teal ibex]

changing it will ONLY cause problems

i promise you this

[sand umbra]

this is gonna blow up in a minute I'm certain

[teal ibex]

it has happened so many times

[sand umbra]

and I don't wanna be here when it does

[teal ibex]

this is not worth it

[gusty geode]

That include the thing about removing the recipe

[ashen warren]

bye thomas

[hard crescent]

if you think "its op" then dont use it

[hollow shell]

I'm not so sure about the recipe thing

[ashen warren]

don't use it argument has been proven to not hold water

[hollow shell]

If you want, you can remove that too

[potent veldt]

The recipe thing seems really unnecessary

[swift wadi]

Who cares about RoD being RoD, yes it makes you dodge something easy, but isn't pulling it out, anticipating the attack, and using it in the right spot the "dodge" you're looking for?

[hollow shell]

but, definitely remove the speed part

[ashen warren]

meta slaves exist etc

[zealous ridge]

Everyone has their opinions on RoD, is what I learn from this

[hollow shell]

rework it/rewrite it, etc

(Normality makes RoD much less IQ)

[potent veldt]

I do agree at least that RoD's overall mechanics allow it to be a particularly easy way to just ignore a certain attack or boss pattern with almost no punishment

[hollow shell]

I do think that switching to RoD in anticipation for a dodge is a good thing
a bit smart

but with Normality you can just whap onto the keyboard

[potent veldt]

Like, completely skip one of DoG's laser walls for free, just because you have the item

[hollow shell]

never stop firing your weapon

[ashen warren]

normality is a patron item though

[hollow shell]

Indeed

[potent veldt]

Patron items can be nerfed, though

Since, they do still need to be balanced overall

[hollow shell]

As long as we get Gibb50 on the horn

[zealous ridge]

might just write up a thesis on The history of RoD and its atrocious balance

[vital anchor]

Extend the Chaos Debuff, make it deal more damage?

[teal ibex]

ajkslafjdsa this is not a good idea please please please there's already so many non-regulars talking about it aa

[lost agate]

Hec calm down

[zealous ridge]

Well, when I say atrocious, I mean like controversial

[hollow shell]

@hard crescent Can't

Terraria limitation

[ashen warren]

honestly you're right both ways chozo

[hollow shell]

It's just how weather works

[hard crescent]

nice

[potent veldt]

Yeah, weather in Terraria is odd

[swift wadi]

NR is the issue, I agree tbh

[hollow shell]

(Don't forget to delete your original sugma, Squid)

[swift wadi]

We've gone over this before in a convo about NR being banned from No-hitting

[potent veldt]

Why not just edit the old one?

[ashen warren]

doesn't the rain charm in luiafk work instantly?

[hollow shell]

I don't know

[gusty geode]

I thought I edited the original message why did a new one spawn

[hollow shell]

oof

Thanks Discord

[ashen warren]

I'm pretty confident it does, if so y'all can ask how they did it.

[swift wadi]

NR can be used as a reactionary dodge, you can use it instantly if you see danger, RoD has to be used as a prediction, you know the boss, you know what's happening, and you know an attack is coming, ready it up for that attack and use it

[hollow shell]

(That's kinda been happening to me recently too)

[swift wadi]

The difference there is a lot

[hard crescent]

also, adding a line to say if rain is being disabled or enabled would take what, 3 lines of code?

[hollow shell]

Yeah it wouldn't be hard

[ashen warren]

Rod can also be used as a reactionary dodge, say for instance you hear the sound queue for ml’s head laser

[hollow shell]

Still takes slightly more effort to switch to it

[ashen warren]

It's tighter than normality but it's there

[swift wadi]

You can also hear that noise and fly around him

[frail mantle]

also RoD requires switching to it in your hotbar, which means (unless you're a summoner) that you have to stop attacking for a moment and lose a little DPS to use it

[lost agate]

Oh yeah dont use rod with slow weapons

[ashen warren]

especially if you put RoD in the 2 slot or smrg

[lost agate]

Its no bueno

[ashen warren]

smrg, nice

[lost agate]

By the time the attack animation ends for you to switch to rod youre already dead

[cobalt rose]

i don't like using RoD because i just panic heavily when switching to it

[potent veldt]

Hot idea that will be too hot to handle: Make RoD and NR take up an accessory slot or something

[cobalt rose]

no

[hollow shell]

oh fuck

[swift wadi]

Having to switch slots almost costed me my life here, because instead of pressing a button and teleporting that instant as a reaction, I had to switch slots and then teleport, if I had NR I wouldn't even of needed the luck I had going through the lasers on the first wall

[umbral mulch]

That an idea

[cobalt rose]

get that shit outta here

[umbral mulch]

Me kinda likey

[hard crescent]

have it take up armor slot

[potent veldt]

Take up pet slot

The ultimate cost

[swift wadi]

Not my pet slot!

[potent veldt]

Sacrifice your loved ones

[random flume]

take up your chestplate slot

[hard crescent]

have it be an ammunition and have a limited amount of teleports

[random flume]

big brain

[hard crescent]

ez

[umbral mulch]

Now we just get a stack of it and pretend the nerf didn't happen

[hard crescent]

you need a seperate rod per teleport

[umbral mulch]

LOL

[sand umbra]

ohhhhhhhhhh dear

[swift wadi]

RoD breaks on teleport

[potent veldt]

I actually lowkey think it being an accessory would work as a fair cost, but I'm well aware no one would be down with that

[sand umbra]

so the world didn't explode

but uh

I'm not a huge fan of the direction these nerf ideas are going

holy fuck today is baffling

[random flume]

you have to say yes to a confirmation box to use it

[hollow shell]

You can equip all of your armor slots with RoDs and get 3 Chaos State-less teleports

at the cost of no fucking armor

[swift wadi]

I think a better sugg would be to somehow nerf NR, and make RoD give Summoners the damage nerf they get from holding other weapons

If you must make one at all

[gusty grail]

Bruh no rod nerf pls

[random flume]

sounds like nohit paradise

[potent veldt]

Ngl, I really like the confirmation box idea a lot lol

[umbral mulch]

N E R F R O D

[ashen warren]

that would be a fun mode rover

not even kidding

[hollow shell]

heh

[potent veldt]

You have to provide your electronic signature to use it

[random flume]

rod is voice activated

[ashen warren]

just balls to the wall

[potent veldt]

Alright, this might be getting out of hand, just for now

[hard crescent]

when clicking to teleport, you must first solve an algebra question. If you get it wrong its perma chaos state

[cobalt rose]

lets not nerf RoD
its ok as is

[swift wadi]

RoC

[gusty grail]

RoC

[umbral mulch]

RoC

[swift wadi]

Rod of Cthulhu

[random flume]

rod of cthulhu

[ashen warren]

Cease spam

[gusty grail]

Rod of Caeseeeeeeeeer

[cobalt rose]

yall shut the fuck up please thank you

[random flume]

every time you use rod of discord it kills 3 town npcs

[ashen warren]

Let’s get back on topic and discuss suggestions with less of the memery kthx

[gusty geode]

Said this already but I think it bares repeating also it's the only solid bit of info I can provide to this debate
Immediate backlash to the idea of an item getting nerfed is a sure sign it needs a nerf

[hollow shell]

Every time you use RoD it places one block of Corruption/Crimson somewhere in the world

[hard crescent]

fuck were having fun

[hollow shell]

okay

[hard crescent]

imma bounce

[potent veldt]

Other Nerf-RoD idea: Make it a one-time-use-per-boss-fight thing, like the effective-against-organic weaponry

[swift wadi]

[sand umbra]

oooOOOKAY SO HOW ABOUT THAT CRYSTAL FLARE STAFF MOVE
YEAH howzabout that
we can think about that instead of this
topic. sugg. thing

potential new sugg

[random flume]

once per use RoD sounds like a waste of a hotbar slot

[gusty grail]

Make it one time use per world

[random flume]

lol

[hard crescent]

Kills wing time maybe?

[swift wadi]

MAKE ROD GIVE YOU POTION SICKNESS AND BE TIED TO THE SAME DEBUFF

[hollow shell]

holy shit

[potent veldt]

That

[random flume]

uhh

[potent veldt]

Actually is a great idea

[hollow shell]

Perhaps, actually.

[sand umbra]

[umbral mulch]

Actually yeah

[gusty grail]

Good idea if rod needed a nerf that is

[swift wadi]

[hard crescent]

heal from receiving damage or not receive damage at all

[random flume]

yharon is gonna suck major balls now

[cobalt rose]

immediate backlash to the idea of an item getting nerfed is a sure sign it needs a nerf
yeah no

[potent veldt]

Fuck, now you gotta actually dodge

[gusty grail]

Idk how to beat yharon without rod

[lost agate]

Time to lose my healing for a minute then get hit anyway

[random flume]

^

rather just use a potion

[potent veldt]

Well, it's all risks

[random flume]

lol

[hollow shell]

It doesn't need to be the full 60 seconds

could be like, 15 seconds

[potent veldt]

I'd say 30, tbh

[ashen warren]

you get immediate backlash to nerfing anything

[potent veldt]

Or half of whatever the current cooldown would be for the player

[lost agate]

Which is an arbitrary af punishment

[ashen warren]

does that mean everything should be nerfed?

[cobalt rose]

yes

[potent veldt]

Nerf Calamity pls

[random flume]

nerf magic mirror because people use it too much

[gusty grail]

Nerf healing potions

[hard crescent]

mirror has chance to break very cool

[ashen warren]

magic mirror nerf sweet jesus

Too long of a cool down and it’s useless, so dunno about that

[vital anchor]

Make Recall Potions Great Again

[random flume]

dont understand the logic of “if people like it its bad”

[placid moth]

RoD is important for people who are bad at dodging (like me) as a last chance

[ashen warren]

having a meta that defines how people play does suck

[placid moth]

I would say, that comes in about late hardmode.

[gusty grail]

Bruh you need RoD for yharon

[ashen warren]

but the solution to that is making stuff more viable, not less

[gusty grail]

Hitless atleast

[ashen warren]

no

[placid moth]

Yes, but I am not doing nohits.

[random flume]

“just get good lol”

[ashen warren]

There are videos of rodless nohits

[swift wadi]

Uses RoD to dodge first DoG laser wall
Gets hit by the second
Has potion sickness so can't heal damage off

[lost agate]

Newbies often dont use RoD becausw they dont have the hand coordination to change to rod btw

Just sayin

[hollow shell]

Ye that sounds perfect

[gusty grail]

Dude i never use rod for laser walls

[hard crescent]

you take the damage like a man

[ashen warren]

or learn to dodge

[random flume]

get snaked by dog and just take the damage like a champ

[gusty grail]

Thomas about to release a new suggestion

[lost agate]

Anyway, sorry to bust your bubble but i dont think this is going anywhere anymore

[swift wadi]

Here goes T Hanos

[gusty geode]

If RoD gets nerfed are people gonna have to reapply for no-hit roles
Haven't seen any of their vids but I imagine the majority wouldn't have made it without it

[hard crescent]

if im totally honest, literally everything in calamity is busted compared to vanilla. I kinda like the idea of RoD, a vanilla thing, being busted even post ML when all the content is calamity

[ashen warren]

see, in my book, if the entire crutch to your skill is one item then I'd argue that needs a look at
nerf is maybe, maybe not, but definitely a discussion

[cobalt rose]

Suggestion: Stop fucking talking about nerfing RoD
Reason: we don't need to please fucking stop

[gusty grail]

Actually im ok with a rod nerf if its upgrade doesnt get the nerf

[umbral mulch]

But it does need a nerf

[swift wadi]

How about people stop trying to gatekeep putting a suggestion out for people to vote on

[lost agate]

You know

[hard crescent]

Suggestion: Buff Rod
Reason: chaos state op

[lost agate]

We could also just decide not to do anythign with rod anymore

Because its not even one of our items

[random flume]

ban rod suggestions bigbrain

[hard crescent]

ban rod

[zealous ridge]

good suggestion, Thomas

[swift wadi]

Just because it's not a Calamity item doesn't mean Calamity can't touch it

[hollow shell]

In fact, we do touch it.
In Rev

[swift wadi]

Isn't there a list of things Calamity nerfs that are in vanilla?

An entire, list

[hollow shell]

It's mostly buffs, actually

[ashen warren]

honestly, rod of discord discussions kinda feel like glitched vs glitchless speedruns

[lost agate]

Yeah but heres the thing

[hollow shell]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Vanilla_changes/Weapon_Balance

[ashen warren]

which is the "real" way to play the game

[placid moth]

Spectre Staff got boosted ?

Wha

[ashen warren]

yeah and it still is a bruh

[swift wadi]

Yeah, like a lot iirc