suggestions-discussion

[wooden wedge]

• legal bullshit

[green pumice]

i mean

if the people want plushes

then why not give them some plushes

(if were ignoring legal bullshit)

[potent veldt]

^^^

It's mostly an argument of "Do they wanna do it or not"

[void kelp]

they’ll commission the artist themselves, then

[potent veldt]

Not, "should they or should they not"

[void kelp]

making a plush is a lot more complex than y’all seem to note

[potent veldt]

It is

[green pumice]

it is indeed

[sand umbra]

honestly the issue of Calamity merch is mainly a lot of legal bullshit that'll just piss you off if you learn more about it

[void kelp]

not only do you have to cover the costs of specific fabrics and stuffing, you also have to cover the costs of designing one in the first place

[sand umbra]

anywho time to pay for an IRL Cosmic Plushie complete with stabby knife and...other things

[void kelp]

[sand umbra]

no, not like that

get your head outta the gutter

[queen sail]

Cosmic Plushie IRL but when you get it it’s actually just Terry with a bat

[ashen warren]

Then some guy trademarks it in russia and makes their own merch

[void kelp]

terry just comes over to your house and beats you up

[hollow saffron]

oh boy i cant wait to buy a ravager plushie

sounds cute

[radiant meadow]

I think its more along the lines of something like an Anahita plushie

[versed mica]

I would die for a leviathan plushie

[green pumice]

big fish

[versed mica]

But like Leviathan is so cute

how could you not want a plushie of that

[hollow idol]

iirc Fab wanted to make plushes

[wide flicker]

Or to attract the wrong crowd, the elementals from the heart of elements

[void kelp]

they might be the wrong crowd but they are a paying crowd

[sand umbra]

telling you right now, people will pay good fucking money for plushies of the HotE gorls

[hallow kraken]

irl specific item sug, nightmare stuff

Even if it is a bad sug

why

does it have 11 ❕

[hollow idol]

doesnt sound convenient to do

[loud steeple]

i would love some plushies

[quick ice]

I’d buy a Signus, Hivemind or Yharon plush if those came out

[hollow idol]

Id collect em all because im a sucker for plushes

[radiant pivot]

Bumblebirb tho 😳

[karmic stone]

Birb plush was lost somewhere in space

I'm not going to elaborate further

[hollow idol]

I can elaborate in dms

[radiant pivot]

You can?

Could you? Lol

[rapid pivot]

uh

mouse pads are one thing

but plushes..

[loud steeple]

Ok so from what I am seeing everyone wants plushies?

[tepid root]

br

[cyan lagoon]

@ashen warren um

[hallow hatch]

@ashen warren wrong channel ur suggestions

[cyan lagoon]

i don't know if that's offtopic but it's not a suggestion.

@ashen warren stop

[ashen warren]

wups

[brittle merlin]

oh god i looked back without realized and thought that high voltage’s suggestion had 39 stars

[karmic stone]

[hallow hatch]

[ashen warren]

sorry didnt see ping

[wary canyon]

I now want a yharim plush so bad

[hallow hatch]

same

[hallow kraken]

maybe in 2073

[worn salmon]

laser wall plushie

[hallow hatch]

cosmilite brick plushie

[hollow depot]

rock plushie

[quartz hare]

sea serpent plushie

[hollow shell]

ok

s'enough plushie

[gleaming sundial]

has anyone suggested a upgrade for the Super absorbent sponge that can clean up water in the abyss and deeper? because you bed your butt that would lead to some awesome builds

[void kelp]

sponge and bucket cannot be used in the abyss

[potent veldt]

Wouldn't really matter all that much anyway, tbh

Considering the Abyss kinda regenerates its water anyway

[sand umbra]

the Abyss inflicts enormous DoT on you if you're out of water within it

[potent veldt]

^^^ That too

[sand umbra]

and all of the walls periodically create water anyway

[potent veldt]

There's a ton of roadblocks to stop people trying to do that

[sand umbra]

the Abyss is not supposed to be built in

plain and simple

[gleaming sundial]

now thats pretty gay.

[void kelp]

nothing wrong with being gay

[sand umbra]

(or bi, or ace, or any other Orientation Of The Day)

[wooden wedge]

No homophobia pls k thx

[sand umbra]

(all are welcome here)

[brittle merlin]

❤️

[gleaming sundial]

well it still sucks

[quartz hare]

⬆️ no

u

[potent veldt]

It makes sense, tbh

If the accessory required to travel most of the Abyss is a suit of extremely thick and plated diving armor that is specifically meant to survive such crushing pressures, I can't at all imagine most houses surviving down there structure-wise

[gleaming sundial]

there are bases meant to survive at high pressures

[potent veldt]

I'm not saying there aren't

But it's also pretty agreeable to say that it's better to just say "no homes down there" instead

It's not even like you can't build, you still can

You just can't really make a town down there

[gleaming sundial]

true

it would be a pain in the ass to code some blocks working and others not

[potent veldt]

Exactly

So it's much easier to just block it all off instead

[lost agate]

You can survive with no water down in the abyss

Youre just gonna be at 100 hp always

[hollow shell]

Yeah I noticed that

it stops at a certain point

[lost agate]

Yeah

[tepid root]

oh, huh

[lost agate]

is that not mentioned in the wiki?

[hollow shell]

It isn't, I'm doing it now

Documenting it, that is

[lost agate]

Aight thank you

[hallow hatch]

Bruh when you cross out the sentence I can still read it

Smh my head

[hollow shell]

(it's a bit of a strict punishment, considering you can accidentally encounter air if you're mining upwards into some Planty Mush or Chaotic Ore.
It'd be one thing if it just didn't regenerate any air but it's another to inflict the most severe DoT in the game)

[potent veldt]

I don't really see why that's the case then

If it's just a DoT that caps at 100 hp, then what is it for?

[hollow shell]

Makes you very fragile

You'll die in one or two hits from anything down there

[ruby cobalt]

you die in one hit

[potent veldt]

Eh, I guess

Weird then

[ruby cobalt]

I totally didn't cause this DoT

[lost agate]

i forgot how did you even do it

[potent veldt]

He pulled a sneaky

[ruby cobalt]

siren's heart with dipping in and out

[lost agate]

But guess it is true its very incovenient

[ruby cobalt]

then Fab just buffed it to high hell

[hollow shell]

Also, it's something that needs a debuff icon.
I'll add that to the list

[lost agate]

I would make it be no breath gain if i knew how to manipulate breath

But sadly i dont

[sand umbra]

I could look into it ig

[hollow shell]

Normal Abyss breath manipulation doesn't reveal anything?

[sand umbra]

god knows I require more things to investigate

[lost agate]

Abyss modifies how you lose breath, something that happens naturally basically

So i havent figured out how to prevent something that should happen basically

I could look into it more tomorrow

After i finish that thing and that other thing

[hollow shell]

Gotcha

[sand umbra]

appears to be a static gain of 3 per tick when out of water

there isn't a variable for this, which bothers me

(it's not surprising, though)

[lost agate]

Royal gel lacked a variable so go figure

Anyway, me need sleep so i go sleep

[sand umbra]

good night, slep well

[hollow shell]

Gnight Shucks 👋

[sand umbra]

now then, I'm gonna go back to investigating drawing back-of-player items

[hollow shell]

Have fun

[sand umbra]

I'll try

[fleet igloo]

@supple lodge I think SCal is supposed to give you her armour when you defeat her?

[green pumice]

??????

no?

she drops a dev weapon and calamitous essence

[keen geyser]

you craft shadowspec armor with shadowspec bars

[fleet igloo]

No, that's only in the game because she's the current final boss. When Yharim is released(?) she's supposed to give you her armour if you spare her in her boss fight.

[tepid root]

spare

[opal barn]

lol lore from 2018

[fleet igloo]

Wait, that was scrapped?

[ashen warren]

Yo plush toys would be dope

[dense ferry]

I want Colossal Squid plushie

Abyss need love

[hollow saffron]

everybody gangsta till we be pulling up for dat ravager plushie

In reality tho, they would probably need to hire a company to make the plushies and market them

And if not a lot of people buy them then it's not worth the cost

[cinder robin]

I kind of like the fact that there’s still danger when sc is at 1%

[hallow kraken]

why

[twilit swan]

Someone gives their child a ravager plushie for their like 3rd birthday... Child becomes a murderer at age 8...

[lost agate]

Wha

[green pumice]

[supple lodge]

Ravager waifu pillow

[green pumice]

br

[tired haven]

ok cease?

[void kelp]

Thomas drop in a better sugma to discuss pls

((or anyone really))

[green pumice]

https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/664467150714568742 two 90 star suggs

[lost agate]

Its at 89 tho

[keen geyser]

🤔

[lost agate]

Huh

So my discord is drunk

[green pumice]

byeah

[prime turtle]

Maybe make a new Pre-Hardmode boss?

[keen geyser]

boss sugmas are a dont

[opal barn]

lol

[gusty geode]

6-foot AEW plush when
Unironically

[queen delta]

Are we still doing plush memes? It’s old.

[spark flax]

squeaky toy crabulon or riot

[teal ibex]

[hollow shell]

and not a single mention of Sunskeet. I am disappointed

[lost agate]

I want to suggest smth but im missing some details

[queen sail]

Define some details

:echthink:

[lost agate]

Heres the idea, would making conclave crossfire post golem be a good idea?

[queen sail]

I mean

[versed tundra]

why?

[queen sail]

Probably

[versed tundra]

is it too strong?

[hollow shell]

Tactical Shotgun, right?

[lost agate]

Because conclave is the instant upgrade of tactical shotgun

[queen sail]

Bc it being post plant makes people skip tactical shotgun

[hollow shell]

It's an instant upgrade atm

[lost agate]

Yeah

[hollow shell]

So yeah post-Golem makes sense

[queen sail]

Same goes for Lazinator, really

[hollow shell]

Gonna need the RIV to drop from a different enemy though

or progression-lock it I guess

[queen sail]

Hm

[lost agate]

Yeah

Thats why i said i was missing details

[queen sail]

Red Devils post golem?

[versed tundra]

tac shot isn't that interesting IMO, but having upgrades locked behind bosses makes sense

maybe if you needed something from the martian invasion?

that would be post golem

[lost agate]

Lazinator is the laser rifle upgrade right?

[hollow shell]

Ye

[queen sail]

Yep

[hollow shell]

Victory Shards

[queen sail]

Only needs victory shards

...which you probably have from prior ds farming

[hollow shell]

Granted, it requires a Mythril/Orichalcum Anvil

[lost agate]

Yeah lemme see if i can think of smth for that one too

[quiet abyss]

I’d call lazinator more of a side grade than an upgrade.
Its much higher fire rate is big meme when you realize how piercing works

[queen sail]

But it usually takes a couple of minutes to get enough mythril/orichalcum for an anvil

114 - Lazinator now ignores iframes. - Done ✅

[lost agate]

So lazinator is on the very edge of instant upgrade

[quiet abyss]

Eeyup

[tired haven]

Do we gather all the instant upgrades together rn?

[quiet abyss]

Though again, because of piercing i frames shenanigans it feels more like a sidegrade.

[hollow shell]

Pop in some Souls of Light/Night to push it very slightly past the edge

[lost agate]

Actually how many instant upgrades do we have that isnt sandnado?

[quiet abyss]

Could prolly also just pop in some hallowed bars and buff it to actually be objectively better than laser gun in all aspects.

Like an upgrade should be.

[hallow kraken]

CRYSTAL VILE SHARD

[lost agate]

I mean, ofc if we are gonna move it we are gonna balance it lol

[quiet abyss]

Oh ye, crystal vile shard and hellburst.

[lost agate]

Ok so thats 3

[hollow shell]

eehhhh

[queen sail]

Add Fright to Hellburst

[hallow kraken]

YES

[hollow shell]

That requires two Dark Shards which can be a bit of a bitch sometimes
but, I guess we could lock it behind a boss

[tired haven]

Two dark shards are 20 mummies in desert, not that much

[lost agate]

For me dark shards drop annoyingly often lol

[hallow kraken]

Why is CVS buffed by calamity when you can just upgrade it?

[tired haven]

Boomstick to flarestorm cannon but that's more of a side grade? ig

[lost agate]

Tbh that can honestly stay

[versed tundra]

shards do requier some biome setup if you aren't lucky with original biome placements

[lost agate]

Or it can require hellstone idk

Anyway, imma write up something for conclave

[versed tundra]

(which I find more annoying than mushroom gathering for shroomite, but don't suggest changing :) )

[tired haven]

10 unholy water is a bless

[hallow kraken]

When scal gets human form privilege back

[mellow bay]

i guess never

[hollow depot]

i mean itll happen eventually

[mellow bay]

it would be cool if she turned into her human form on acceptance part

[hallow kraken]

why

[mellow bay]

yes

[hollow depot]

i think her whole fight is gonna be humanoid. they might have to re work it tho

[mellow bay]

i doubt it will happen

its the same as saying DoG phase 1 is going to be removed

[karmic stone]

This is confirmed

[hallow kraken]

And I mean, suggestions about scal’s humanoid form are future content but that last suggestion’s fine I guess

[karmic stone]

Not the rework, the humanoid part*

[gusty geode]

Why's DoG phase 1 still a thing if it's non-canon anyway

[karmic stone]

Gameplay

[gusty geode]

Because Scourge of the Universe plays for it and that's the most popular song in the mod

[sand umbra]

wasn't moving Conclap Crossfire and by extension Conference Crutch a sugg in the past, actually

[hallow kraken]

DoG 1st phase has one of the most iconic theme and sprite in the mod and is unfortunately completely overshadowed by his second phase

[hollow depot]

DoG and yharons theme just take the cake for calamity music. the other boss songs are good but by the time u get to DoG and yharon its a big surprise to just hear the "difference" scal theme doesnt flow with me exept for a few parts

[lost agate]

Maybe but i wanna see if people actually want it moved

[sand umbra]

well tbf you have my vote

[hallow kraken]

Ah yes more immediate upgrade shenanigans, unfortunately my hell burst sug seems to be stuck at 75 stars

[sand umbra]

I'll just move Hell Burst myself--

[lost agate]

People like hell burst how it is i suppose

[sand umbra]

I've never seen anyone actually recommend it though

maybe I'm just on at the wrong times

[hallow kraken]

It makes the entire CVS buff pointless

[sand umbra]

but like also ^

[lost agate]

Yeah i get that

Maybe i could write up a suggestion for that one too, but later

And potentially firestorm cannon too

[sand umbra]

Firestorm Cannon is in something of an awkward spot

because Flare Gun itself...isn't really a weapon

[lost agate]

I would just move them myself but i wanna see if people actually want it moved first

[hollow shell]

Firestorm I don't think needs to be moved

[sand umbra]

Firestorm and Spark are fine where they are, imo

[lost agate]

Aight

[versed tundra]

@mellow bay It's not too late to add punctuation points.

[hollow shell]

(Spark?)

[sand umbra]

Spark Spreader

[gusty geode]

Could the Gatligator be considered an instant upgrade to the Clockwork Assult Rifle
They're not connected in any way but they're obtainable at the same tier and do basically the same thing
But Gatligator does it better

[hollow shell]

ah

[sand umbra]

the other pre-boss thing that uses Flare Gun

[hollow shell]

Naah I would not consider that, Squid

[mellow bay]

@versed tundra im not a native english speaker

[sand umbra]

pre-boss progression "tiers" are a bit wackily defined to begin with so the rules for "instant upgrade" there are a bit more
lenient

[hollow shell]

Gatligator's got the big funny lack of accuracy

[versed tundra]

yes but that doesn't mean you are can't improve ;)

I not either btw

[sand umbra]

also yeah CAR has some nice accurate shots while Gatligator is stronger but has the like 30-degree cone of fire

[lost agate]

Gatligator has spread while CAR has the triple shot

So i dont see how exactly they do the same thing

[sand umbra]

they're both guns that fire bullets
clearly this makes them immediate upgrades of one another

[gusty geode]

They both focus on rapid fire ig

[lost agate]

Also CAR could be obtained instantly on hardmode if youre lucky

Gatligator needs some more effort

[sand umbra]

CAR is a drop from WoF, ye

[versed tundra]

"This shotgun is an upgrade of the sniper riffle because it fires more bullets and at a faster rate"

[sand umbra]

Gatligator takes either the systematic genocide of Trashers or Traveling Merchant RNG

[tepid root]

the accuracy of gatligator is literal shit which makes the weapon also literal shit other than maybe against worm (but then there are better options)

[sand umbra]

Gatligator would probably do best up close so none of its shots can miss, but we all know how smart getting up close and personal is in this game

[hallow kraken]

But like, it’s the flare gun

[tired haven]

Or using chloro bullets but at that point you usually have better guns

[lost agate]

Verium

[versed tundra]

The flare gun is an upgrade to every single gun because the effect of it's bullets light-up the world for much much longer

[tepid root]

[lost agate]

Anyway

So firestorm stays

And hell burst and conclave is on to-do

[sand umbra]

gamer moments

[gusty geode]

This one's definitely a stretch
But Night's Edge could be considered an instant upgrade to any of its components
Idk if it counts because of the work you gotta do for it
But still

[sand umbra]

I tried sugging that NE be moved to post-SG for consistency with other similar weps introduced by Calamity

it didn't gain the necessary traction because NE is like actually a good true memee pick for SG itself

[hallow kraken]

nice, so my hell burst sug is making it in

[lost agate]

As it stands NE is either an instant upgrade to muramasa or Fire Greatsword (or whatever the name that was)

[sand umbra]

Fiery Greatsword, ye

it's literally an instant upgrade to whichever sword comes last in your quest for its ingredients

[lost agate]

Thats a vanilla weapon so im not too fond on moving it

[sand umbra]

insert Terra Blade memes here

[teal ibex]

night's edge is one of the most high-effort prehardmode weapons available

it's cool if it's above the curve and it's true melee anyway so its balance is in hyper-limbo

[tired haven]

I think it's only instant to muramasa because any others you are expected to have at most post-evil boss

[lost agate]

The order for jungle/hell/dungeon is kind off a whatever

Like theres not really an order to it

[sand umbra]

pre-Hardmode progression is very loosely defined

[tepid root]

onyx blaster is also an instant upgrade but thats vanilla so h

[lost agate]

You just kinda pick your poison

[sand umbra]

so we just go with "it's an instant upgrade...to whichever sword you get last"

[tired haven]

Mhm
I have always considered jungle-hell-dungeon in exact order, with mild throwback to hell when preparing waffle

(that only matters for cascade though)

[lost agate]

I always went jungle > dungeon > hell

[sand umbra]

it's generally accepted to go Jungle ---> Hell ---> Dungeon for intended progression but like

the cool thing about pre-Hardmode is that it's inherently designed for you to do whatever

[green pumice]

https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/658706247092011049 blue checkmark moment?

[sand umbra]

also, no, that sugg didn't get delivered

no blue checkmarks today

[green pumice]

⭕

[tired haven]

It didn't get green check so

[sand umbra]

☑️ only happens if the previous iteration of the sugg gets ✅

[green pumice]

i have the ⭕

[sand umbra]

[green pumice]

sorry bout that

[tired haven]

conference call should be pixies drop because they are just as annoying as @ everyone and they mute things

Yo listen

[sand umbra]

hey, listen

listen

listen, hey, listen

[green pumice]

:zeldarefrence:

[lost agate]

We dont have a fire dog-like enemy right?

[gusty geode]

Scorn Eater

[sand umbra]

not that I know of

there are Angry Dogs but those are decidedly snow-themed

[tired haven]

dog like, probably not

[gusty geode]

In appearance or behavior

[lost agate]

Time to do a power move and make a crags miniboss for it

[tired haven]

Definitely power one

[gusty geode]

Still think Scorn Eater fits in terms of behavior
And arguably appearance

[tepid root]

damn

fighting a dog

[tired haven]

they are a tad too late for that

[fervent citrus]

[grizzled stone]

[wooden wedge]

What're the cosmic guardians

[hollow shell]

exactly

[opal barn]

dog p1 minions

[hollow shell]

Previously known as Devourer of Thots

[wooden wedge]

Oh I see

I thought he was talking about storm weaver

[frosty dagger]

They get instantly deleted by weapens with peircing like validiction

[wooden wedge]

As with any worm boss

[hollow shell]

Well, no

[karmic stone]

They also dissapear once p1 is KILL

[hollow shell]

cuz other worm bosses have pierce resist, as izzy mentions

[frosty dagger]

Not dag or storm Weaver and desert scourge rquirs very careful place ment to do that and it doesn't work on eoc, but yeah aucuatic scourge yes

Dog

[sand umbra]

...I sorta get what you're saying but also could you run that by me again in English

[hollow shell]

autocratic regime scourge

[wooden wedge]

Regime scourge

New boss leak?

[sand umbra]

ah yes
AS becomes the supreme ruler of everything

truly the greatest possible outcome

[green pumice]

i am your god now

[sand umbra]

also, if I may ask: is there any reason for Cosmic Guardians existing in the first place other than to necessitate Valediction and friends

[hollow shell]

Supposed to make Rev harder

but atm they don't do much at all like at all

[sand umbra]

yeah uh

it feels like Seekers in Clone fight

[lost agate]

I mean

Soul Seekers shoot the life seekers

[sand umbra]

it's either you nuke them in 2 seconds or you take half a minute to do so

the difference is that Cosmic Guardians have no projectiles or lesser summons to ruin your day with

[hollow shell]

What if CosGuards punished you for killing them, like Aureus Spawns
So you're forced to deal with them one way or another

[sand umbra]

please no

[hollow shell]

It'd certainly make them more relevant

[gusty geode]

I support

[sand umbra]

Rover please I already hate Aureus Spawns to begin with

[hollow shell]

I do too

[lost agate]

I dont mind them much

[gusty geode]

Punishing blindly shooting anything that moves is unironically a good mechanic

[sand umbra]

I mean on one hand I agree

but also Aureus Spawns are borderline impossible to not hit

because you have a metric fuckload of AoE weps at that point in the game

and Aureus Spawns don't even yeet at you at the speed of sound, although they can teleport towards you for no reason whatsoever aside from tricking you into hitting them

[lost agate]

Or you can just hit them and slam them into the ground

[sand umbra]

I know but that's not the point here, the point is that a mechanic like that isn't as easily applicable to Cosmic Guardians which you are currently expected to kill in the first place

[teal ibex]

"don't touch this thing" is better suited as an early game mechanic

[sand umbra]

Aureus Spawns, while easy to hit, can be managed well if you're smart or have a ceiling

[teal ibex]

it's much more interactive and more likely for the player to say "yes ok will do sir" instead of just blasting and dealing with the consequences

[lost agate]

Dont touch the servants of chtulhu from EoC

[sand umbra]

shucks

[lost agate]

Wat

[sand umbra]

you forgot not touching the little Desert Scourges from DS

[green pumice]

[sand umbra]

or the Dried Seekers

or KS' 500 different species of jello

[lost agate]

Ok but like

[hollow shell]

I do wish Aureus Spawns were a lot more durable
or had i-frames or something
or if their hitsounds were louder or something

[tired haven]

Or hiih miim blobs?

[lost agate]

Hive mind

[hollow shell]

When I was fighting Aureus I wasn't even paying attention to them
and just dealt with having huge homing projectiles occasionally spawning

[teal ibex]

they actively attempt to make you hit them

which discourages you from avoiding hitting them

[tired haven]

Tbh treat aureus spawns as if they already got hit 2/7/12 times

[teal ibex]

like, i don't frequently try to diss calamity's design choices

but aureus spawns have two major ideas that directly conflict with each other and make things far more frustrating than they should be

just make them a projectile

[fervent citrus]

wait cryogen enrages

??

[teal ibex]

yes

[fervent citrus]

my life is a lie

[lost agate]

Spawns dont teleport but destroying one spawns a black hole

[queen delta]

Yeah that was a major problem with aureus spawns

I get stuff like “dont hit them then”

How am i supposed to not hit them if they teleport in my face or where im shooting at

[lost agate]

...who even said that

[fervent citrus]

wait

oh

sry

[teal ibex]

idk if anybody said that but it is the counterargument for aureus spawns

it is, in fact, a poor and situational one

because the mechanic itself is poor and situational

[queen delta]

Yeah when i was nohitting aureus and was struggling to deal with the spawns, all i got was that

They should just be enraged right off the bat and have a time limit of life before exploding

As it seems, they could go on forever until you show them the ground

[lost agate]

Then suggest that

[tired haven]

~~side effect to a timer will be that it would be too similar to regular projectiles but probably still better than rn~

[keen geyser]

nice one

[tired haven]

what if that was intentional to not hinder readability in an ass way

[keen geyser]

maybe, who knows

[lost agate]

Or you could ask for the teleport to be removed

Or have some indicator for the teleport

Theres quite some options

Whatever you guys feel its the best

[teal ibex]

hmmm, what if they could regenerate health?

so you deal damage to them and they chase you, but they regenerate and hault temporarily?

that way it's less of a "i might as well just shoot them and get it over with" and more of a "if i shoot them i can probably get off fine after a couple of seconds"

arguably if something like that existed they shouldn't detonate against surfaces since you'd still have little incentive to follow suit

but that might be far too toxic to spray weapons

[hollow shell]

That'd be interesting

Suggestion seems a bit weird but I see the reasoning behind it

[fervent citrus]

good suggestion

there hasnt been a PT where i dont spend hours getting them xD

[potent veldt]

^^^

It also really doesn't help that they are literally the only thing in the Underworld that becomes harder to find the more you progress

All other drops either have numerous sources, or are still found in the Slags chests

Those two blades are the only ones that are left stagnant

[safe lava]

i just had a cool idea

a dm dokuro-based outfit or item to commemorate him for the amount of work he did for the mod

does that seem like a good suggestion?

[karmic stone]

If Dok wanted a dedicated item he would have already asked for one

[hollow shell]

Yeah

Dedicated items must be requested by those who they're dedicated to

at least, for devs or donors

[karmic stone]

People started talking about his OC's hammer thing

But he himself said that he didn't want it in, or anything

[safe lava]

ah

huh

well thats why I asked before I posted anything lol

[hollow shell]

ye thanks for that

Plenty of people don't :P

[night cradle]

A question, do the Rifle and Sniper Scope inform the player about flamethrowers also being able to increase player's view range?

In Calamity ofc

[wooden wedge]

don't they do ranged damage

[night cradle]

(item being held is Elf Melter, a vanilla flamethrower)

uh, let me get a better screenshot of that actually

[wooden wedge]

does the scope work for bows?

[night cradle]

No

[wooden wedge]

hm

[night cradle]

But it works on flamethrowers, both modded and vanilla

[wooden wedge]

I'm guessing flamethrowers count as guns then

because the tooltip is that it increases view for guns

[frail mantle]

or maybe it's just Redcode At It Again™️

[hollow shell]

prolly shouldn't do that

[night cradle]

wait do you mean the accessory ability or the suggestion?

[hollow shell]

It shouldn't zoom on flamethrowers

[night cradle]

ah

[swift wadi]

meanwhile Halley's Inferno:

[cinder robin]

New world

[sand umbra]

Halley's Inferno: "wait a minute, that's illegal"

[gusty geode]

Came in a bit late
But if Dokuro ever gets a tribute
Imo it should be in the form of an NPC that sells Calamity music boxes

[hearty yew]

@potent veldt I suggest Hellstone + Souls of Night or something else very similar

[bitter topaz]

dok will get one, in the form he chooses, if he ever wants one

[ruby cobalt]

(he doesn't)

[bitter topaz]

he doesn't have anything besides his music in the mod because he doesn't want anything besides his music in the mod at current

[hollow shell]

@indigo fog You know Grand Dad has an additional knockback-affected effect, right?

[indigo fog]

i had no idea

[left crest]

yes grand daddy sets enemy kb resist to -666%

[hollow shell]

just -600% but yes

[indigo fog]

guess ill delete the suggestion

[hollow shell]

That could be in the tooltip, I suppose

It only mentions the defense reduction

[mighty knot]

Show Damage Reduction & Minion Slots (either available or total) Somewhere in the Inventory, similar to Defense.

In vanilla, damage reduction isn't hard to figure out, since only a couple things give it, and the vanilla summons only ever take up 0.5 or 1 minion slot, or 1 sentry slot. However, Calamity uses both of these a lot more, with a lot of defensive accessories giving damage reduction, and weapons like Yharon's Kindle Staff and the Cosmic Immaterializer taking up more than one slot. When I'm switching out armor/accessories to see which is better, it would be nice to get an indicator other than damage, health, and defense. Summon slots are also important so one can tell whether a minion requires a new armor set/helmet or just a summoning potion/extra minion slot-giving accessory without having to make said accessory, armor, or potion.

[frail mantle]

Stat Meter shows both DR and max minion slots iirc

[radiant meadow]

it does

[hallow kraken]

[gusty grail]

How does everyone forget about the stat meter

[small talon]

@open brook suggested many times already

i believe they are working on it

[open brook]

Oh well

I'll remember it

[opal barn]

smh could've at least removed the suggestion

[radiant meadow]

be patient, it's coming next update

[hollow saffron]

are meld blobs really associated with anything in particular

[hollow shell]

Yeah

Rogue

[potent veldt]

They're Rogue's entire alt for the Lunar stuff

[hollow shell]

They are ever so slightly muddier than the other fragments
considering you can make a melee and ranged weapon out of em too

[radiant meadow]

and mage

[hollow shell]

Yeah, indeed

[jovial reef]

I was going to suggest an option to allow the player to spawn without the Starter Bag, Revengeance, and the Iron Heart - but then I remembered that Calamity doesn't have a mod config.

[hollow shell]

It does

Just not an in-game integrated one

yet

You can always just throw them out as soon as you start the world

[lost agate]

Also cant you just trash the bag?

[hollow saffron]

^

[zealous ridge]

yeah i see no reason to add a config for it when you can just get rid of it or not use it

[hollow saffron]

easier than modifiying config files every time you want to do something once

[zealous ridge]

like you arent forced to use any of those items, theyre just in your inventory and youre given the choice of using them

it would be a different story if, for instance, rev was an untoggleable mode that activated upon starting a calamity expert world

but that's not the case here

[lost agate]

Stuff like having no rippers is more understandable, you can decide to not use the rippers but that leaves with bars you dont even want, therefore being visual clutter for you
Bag is just gone once you trash it

[zealous ridge]

besides, the method currently employed is not only more elegant than others, it also appeals to the widest amount of players

eh, you can just not use rippers, the only problemo with that is that you really can't control getting heart attack reliably

and... does rage offer any other passive bonuses? or am i psycing myself out

[lost agate]

Even if you decide to not use rippers, the bars are there

The config gets rid of them

[zealous ridge]

oh yeah the ripper config is a thing

well that's fine

also, if i may add to the meld blob discussion

i think the current method of obtaining meld blobs in general is antiquated

i feel like they'd fit nicely as a part of the lunar event exclusive to the astral biome

like imagine you go to the astral biome during the lunar event, all of the sudden this new bg filter comes in and the sky is lit with levitating monoliths and like little astrum deuses coiling around them, and enemies in the astral infection drop meld blobs during the lunar event instead of nebula pillar enemies

it doesnt have to be a new pillar or anything, but it would be a similar dynamic

perhaps astrum deus could be the "pillar" of the astral biome, in that respect

[hollow shell]

What if
a normal pillar spawns in the Astral biome

[zealous ridge]

...what do you mean? like a monolith is the "astral pillar"?

[hollow shell]

Four vanilla pillars spawn in the world
What if one of them
just so happens to land in your Astral biome

[zealous ridge]

or do you just mean a pillar that isn't "infected", per se, by the celestial pillar's fragment elements

[hollow shell]

I was giving a counterargument

not an
adjustment/proposal

[zealous ridge]

ah

i see, i see

[lost agate]

(which is very probable with how big the biome is)

[zealous ridge]

would this imply that the pillar that drops in the astral biome would drop meld blobs from it's enemies?

[lost agate]

No, the bg would overlap

[zealous ridge]

okay so it's more an aesthetic thing? sorry if im being smol brain im just trying to understand

and yeah, i have had the astral and pillar biomes overlap in some cases

its kind of what gave me the idea, i had the nebula pillar spawn on top of the astral biome

[hollow shell]

We're sayin that it'd be an issue where you'd have two "pillars" goin on at once

Which

[zealous ridge]

oooohh

[hollow shell]

may or may not be possible

or okay

[gusty geode]

Full-on 5th pillar is the best option imo but people have a burning hatred for the Pillars for some reason

[zealous ridge]

5th pillar is usually hard to code, is the biggest problem

plus a lot of effort has to be put into them

[hollow shell]

Problem:
It don't fit

The four pillars are evenly spaced

[foggy plover]

put it right smack in the middle then

[gusty geode]

Actually
Just had an idea

[zealous ridge]

ye, i wasnt really saying that there be a literal 5th pillar, just that the astral biome have some change to it during the lunar event

[hollow shell]

Could be in the sky or in the underground I guess

Underworld pillar

[foggy plover]

put it in the middle of the main planetoid

[zealous ridge]

specifically a change that allows meld blobs to drop in astral biome during the lunar event

[gusty geode]

A sorta "Xeroc monolith" that spawns
Somewhere you'd associate with Xeroc
It functions in the same way as a Pillar, but is optional in summoning ML
That's what drops the Meld Blobs

[zealous ridge]

like there could be background changes or enemy spawn changes or even a new miniboss "pillar" that serves in summoning deus, but that's not what im personally shooting for when i say i would like to see lunar event astral content

[frosty dagger]

Put the fifth in the astral biome and prevent the others from spawning there

[zealous ridge]

probably easier said than done, Szeth

rover has stated that coding it might be hard, not possible, or straight up unbalancable/unbalanced

[frosty dagger]

Yep, it would be hell to code and balance, also it is low on priority list

If it was a priority

[lost agate]

A 5th pillar is a no go

[zealous ridge]

fair enough

[lost agate]

Tremor did it iirc and it was a disaster

[zealous ridge]

[hollow shell]

Didn't it just put it somewhere random on the surface?

[sand umbra]

~~SuperHot take: Solar Pillar moves to Hell

seriously why wasn't it there to begin with, it's the perfect spot--~~

[zealous ridge]

think it spawned clustered with another pillar (?)

[lost agate]

Now if you mean the entire astral biome going haywire on the lunar event, that can work

[zealous ridge]

thomas you nut

yeah, that's what i was shooting for

[lost agate]

But alas, astral biome would need to get a lot of new things for that to be interesting in any way

[frosty dagger]

Solar pillar can't be in hell with the other four on the surface, I like astral biome as a whole changing during event

[zealous ridge]

not really a 5th pillar, per se, just analagous to how the pillars change the overworld

[lost agate]

Basically

Terrarian: Stars lunar event
The entire astral biome: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[zealous ridge]

astral biome may need some new content, i can see that being a potential turn-off to devs, but i was moreso focused on already-existing content being implemented into an astral biome "mini event?"

[lost agate]

I mean, thats not that bad of an idea

[zealous ridge]

like, i said that meld blobs could drop there as the "fragment" rather than the meld blobs dropping from the nebula pillar, which already has a fragment associated

[lost agate]

It just requires quite some thought

[frosty dagger]

That could happen post-cultist

[lost agate]

What do you add there to make it not "buffed astral biome but meld"

Ofc it would lmao

[frosty dagger]

Like a sandstorm/blizzard

[lost agate]

Lunar event is post cultist

[jovial spire]

@gusty geode Meld blobs have nothing to do with xeroc anymore

[zealous ridge]

the way i see it personally, it would only be active during the lunar event, and when the lunar event ends, so do the meld blob drops

[sand umbra]

new enemies maybe?
new drops from said enemies
make singular Deus worms occasionally spawn in higher difficulties

am I oversimplifying this beyond belief? yes

but that's not the point here

[frosty dagger]

You can make it last forever in that case, if the event start when cultist died and exists some time after (time only counting down when in astral biome)

[sand umbra]

you can run absolutely wild with potential stuff for post-LC Astral Infection

[lost agate]

You know theres a literal variable to check when the lunar event is active right?

Its not a permanent deal

[frosty dagger]

Just leave a pillar alive

[lost agate]

Yeah and whats the problem

[sand umbra]

~~so there's a check for lunar events being active but not a bool for Royal Gel or a variable for breath regen

nothing surprises me anymore~~

[frosty dagger]

You said it wasn't permanent

[gusty geode]

Maybe the AI (indirect spawn of a Dark God) responds to the presence of the Pillars (made to seal away a Dark God) and goes into overdrive in an attempt to destroy/infect them

[lost agate]

Yes because it goes away when the lunar event ends

[jovial spire]

Ok that's actually an interesting idea

[frosty dagger]

Leave a pillar event never ends

But yeah great idea

[lost agate]

Uh

[jovial spire]

Not quiet practical I'd think

But cool idea

[lost agate]

You know that if you can end something its not permanent right?

[zealous ridge]

also, if you want my take on a "lunar event rework to the astral biome", perhaps re-introduce the pillar motif in an interesting way that doesnt fuck super hard with the current pillar generation

like, here's an idea, there's an astral "heart" in a large dugout chamber in the centre of the astral biome, and there you stage the summoning for astrum deus rather than just killing atlases. you could offer meld blobs to the heart (which is only active during the lunar event) and in turn summon deus with enough blobs. Or perhaps, the astral meteor is the staging ground, where you summon deus through some method including that. there's actual potental there, i think. and yes, BOS, i was thinking something similar lorewise actually... i might elaborate on the lore server...

[lost agate]

You can keep it for long as you want but its in no way permanent

Why the hell am i arguing what permanent is

[zealous ridge]

[jovial spire]

I would enjoy that Chozo

[sand umbra]

I was about to ask you the same question

why are you arguing with someone over what the words "permanent" and "temporary" mean

[lost agate]

I dunno

[frosty dagger]

Good question

[queen sail]

Are y’all talking about Astral Infection and Nominated for Most Boring Event in Terraria

[sand umbra]

well, ladies and gentlemen, now I've seen everything

[zealous ridge]

bruh im trying to make it less boring here

[queen sail]

Bc uhhhhh

[zealous ridge]

so, do yall think my idea holds water, or no, in that case?

[gusty geode]

I like it

[sand umbra]

I think that, with some ironing out and deeper thought, it could absolutely hold its own as an idea

[jovial spire]

I think your idea is interesting

i really like it

[zealous ridge]

it's probably one of those "more work than is nessecary" things, but i think its a great jumping off point for a unique rework

[queen sail]

I’m reading through it hol on

[jovial spire]

Would be a bit tough to implement ofc, but really cool

[queen sail]

So, basically

Lihzahrd Altar with Meld Blobs?

[zealous ridge]

i mean, sure, that's a somewhat fair comparison

[frosty dagger]

Why would you want to summon astrum deus that late enough to sacrifice meld blobs, (unless it's buffed and offers better rewards), would be a good idea to make astral more relevant

[sand umbra]

...Deuces Wild
is already post-LC

[queen sail]

Deus is post cultist

[sand umbra]

[queen sail]

It’s been this way for months

[frosty dagger]

Oooooh

[lost agate]

[jovial spire]

Yeah by the time you fight LC you should be able to get blobs easily?

[zealous ridge]

specially considering if its collected from a new batch of grindable enemies

(astral creatures)

[queen sail]

Literally just

Go to the nebula pillar and afk farm with grand guardian

[frosty dagger]

So, I played a couple months ago and got burnt out trying dad mode Scal and haven't updated in a while doing dad mode, and I conly cam back recently and hadn't noticed deus had been moved my b

[zealous ridge]

(also just wanna say Thomas, individual deus worms spawning during the event is really interesting to me, might incorperate that because it allows players to see what the fight is like mechanically before you waste blobs on it)

[queen sail]

Deus is post lc bc post plant is

Just so you’re caught up

[frosty dagger]

I knew that

I thought you were saying it has been moved in progression

[sand umbra]

individual Deuces spawning on occasion would not only give a basic idea of what the real deal is like so you have a better concept of what you're getting into, but could also give the chance for a few neat little rewards of their own (and another potential source of Meld Blobs, if I've been following this discussion correctly)

[gusty geode]

Yeah
I brought up the idea once before, only they spawned post-ML and dropped small amounts of Fragments

[frosty dagger]

Wouldn't you have already beat deus (because post plant)

[queen sail]

I had the idea of making individual deus worms spawn in the AI but I didn’t decide when they should spawn

[sand umbra]

no

[queen sail]

[sand umbra]

Deuces Wild got moved to post-Lunatic Cultist

[zealous ridge]

[queen sail]

We just said he got moved to post cultist

[sand umbra]

I don't know how much simpler we have to make this explanation

[frosty dagger]

You said it was post lc because post plant

[zealous ridge]

well in any case

[sand umbra]

no

[queen sail]

Because post plant is bloated

And back to back astral bosses

[sand umbra]

post-Plantera is already omega fat and that is why Deuces was moved to post-LC

[gusty geode]

Also both astral bosses were fought at the same time before

[zealous ridge]

because it USED to be post plant, which was crowded, just to clarify

[jovial spire]

The only time you can ever fight Deus is after Cultist is dead

[frosty dagger]

Just check wiki I get it now

[zealous ridge]

it is now post-cultist

[queen sail]

I thought this fat levi would help signify bloat

[zealous ridge]

there we go, all good now? may we return to productive discussion

[sand umbra]

so anyway

back to the topic of individual Deuces spawning in the Astral Infection while the Lunar Events are active/just post-LC in general

and other ways to make post-LC content a bit more interesting

[gusty geode]

Still don't understand why this is a tier tbh

[zealous ridge]

what, post LC?

i know, it does seem already somewhat crowded at first glance, its such a small slice of content to be fair

[sand umbra]

post-LC is something of an awkward placement as a tier because you have these four things that are basically events of their own and then you have a boss that comes once those things are beaten

suddenly, random unrelated boss exists and can now be fought

[gusty geode]

Can we make post-Guardians a real tier then

[sand umbra]

it'd be better if the Lunar Events were a bit less jarring to have happen, but meh

[zealous ridge]

but im honestly glad calamity explores post-lc specific content (in the form, perhaps, that i describe, there could be even more incentive and interest created in doing more stuff during the lunar event)

[sand umbra]

time to add 5 bosses between Guardians and Provi

[zealous ridge]

also, as far as post-guardians, i have my own ideas, but i don't want to derail the discussion off of the current astral focus

perhaps for another time

[frosty dagger]

I think your idea is great but rn I don't believe my knowledge is up to date so bye hope this idea goes though

[zealous ridge]

[gusty geode]

Could have, like
Infected versions of Lunar Event enemies
Or just bigger infected enemies, like early-game bosses

Saw some cool infected EoC designs in an art contest a long-ass time ago

[sand umbra]

infected variants of existing enemies would be neat if they were sufficiently different from the base entity

and not just blatantly "xyz but with Astral Infection lols"

[zealous ridge]

so, general wish-list for me and the astral infection biome post-LC
-cool new bg effects to signify some new content, specifically active during lunar event
-meld blobs drop from astral enemies instead of meld blobs dropping from nebula pillar enemies
-perhaps some new enemies or enemy behaviors exclusive to lunar event
-new method of spawning deus in line with the lunar event, perhaps something underground or maybe specific to the surface meteor

oh and
-deus worms individually spawn on their own during the lunar event in the astral biome

[sand umbra]

writing all this down as thoughts for later

[zealous ridge]

me too

[gusty geode]

Infected EoC could spawn Sightseers and have a Spaz-esque flamethrower

[zealous ridge]

that would be scary tbh

[hollow shell]

Did someone say Astral EoC?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/404771400834875402/459127121558634496/1st_koopahunter197.png

this is for old Astral but it's still rad

[zealous ridge]

oh my god i remember this

this was by... koopahunter, right?

[hollow shell]

ye, as you can see.

[zealous ridge]

yeah it says it in the name LUL

didnt even notice

[hollow shell]

heh

[zealous ridge]

but yeah, in any case, was my elaboration helpful in displaying my ideas, rover? wanna know what a dev thinks about it

if you've read it that is

in any case, this was very productive for me, got a lot of good ideas from this

you guys had good ideas, too, so thanks for contributing

or at least helping with the general idea of post-LC astral content

[loud steeple]

Maybe instead of the meld blobs dropping from something you craft them? Say x amount of nebula fragements and maybe x amound of x?

[sand umbra]

no

there isn't a reason for them to be associated with the Nebula Pillar specifically in the first place

[placid moth]

uh, what do you think of forcing a relatively large area to spawn in the dungeon

is that even possible to do

[hollow shell]

We'd have to overwrite the entire Dungeon code like we did with Lihzahrd Temple

which

would be fucky

Dungeon's a bit of a different beast

[placid moth]

Oh.

[hollow shell]

You've got Unsafe Dungeon Walls, you can make a big ole area if you tried

S'not a requisite for either of our Dungeon bosses
Polter was changed to just be underground (along with Plantera)
and CV just gets a negligible max speed boost

[placid moth]

Sure

I was just sick of making huge arenas in Dungeon for every playthrough

[hollow shell]

m

... dynamite

[cobalt rose]

CV actually took a while to fight last time i did because apparently some of the dark energies were hard to hit

[hollow saffron]

@hollow shell you say dynamite, forgetting dungeon brick isnt destroyed by explosions

smH

[hollow shell]

oh shit

except

I don't think you're right

Hmm, you are, according to the wiki

[devout seal]

it's explosive immune.

believe me, i tried.

[hollow shell]

But my friend blasted right the fuck through them in his playthrough

so I dunno what's up there

maybe one of his few mods changes that?

[devout seal]

Maybe.

[hollow saffron]

destructible bedrock mod for minecraft

[tepid root]

is that an actual thing

[tired haven]

I would be surprised if that isn't
Literally #3 go-to mod idea imho

[tepid root]

ech

idk why but i read that as explosive bedrock

[fervent citrus]

I just beated ML but i needed more meld blobs

So i had to redo the lunar events

[devout seal]

You can easily farm the pillars for hundreds of easy fragments/materials

[fervent citrus]

Still, bosses droping them sounds better and easier :P

[oak meteor]

I have a feeling my heqtiques suggestion has been denied

crab pots will be nothing but a dream

[fervent citrus]

[oak meteor]

i always go up the stream to checknif it has anything like a checker flag

[lost agate]

10 more stars and i yeet conclave to another tier

[green pumice]

no

i need my cripple

[lost agate]

[foggy plover]

wrong channel sorry

[queen sail]

Cripple no more

[tired haven]

Just use tactical

Or chain gun like a true gamer

[lost agate]

Smh

[sand umbra]

no more Conference Crutch either, hopefully

[lost agate]

Its still gonna be a stronger conclave

[sand umbra]

well of course

[lost agate]

Just for later

[sand umbra]

what I mean is that there won't literally be three Tactical Shotguns of increasingly absurd power levels on the same tier

[queen sail]

Make conference call unique when

[lost agate]

I would if i could make all bullets splits after some time

[queen sail]

That sounds like conference call would become high meme

I approve

[lost agate]

Removing the sky bullets ofc

Or i could do smth else entirely

But thats food for thought for later

[sand umbra]

bootleg the Ele Quiver projectile splitting mechanic to better resemble the real Conference Call

[lost agate]

Thats what i was saying

[sand umbra]

anywho, only 7 more stars until Tactical Shotgun becomes good again, let's make it happen

[opal barn]

oops accidentally deleted suggestion oh no whoops

[lost agate]

oh nooooooo

[sand umbra]

oh no !

[lost agate]

(ono)

[opal barn]

now i can pressure into adding more touhou reference or i will delete because having power is fun

[sand umbra]

now Tactical Shotgun will forever be worthless

[lost agate]

I have the power of not adding it

[hallow kraken]

teragat no

[queen sail]

Literally just add a Touhou NPC that serves no purpose other than being a reference

[hallow kraken]

revoke the “reference isn’t a reason to add an item” don’t first

and then do it

[lost agate]

Yolo it and just do it iirc

[opal barn]

take one for the team

[lost agate]

Kamikaze strat

[queen sail]

Instant popularity, just add Reimu

[opal barn]

Marisa*

[hallow kraken]

but isn’t suprame calmatatis already a toho ref bevause bullet heck

[lost agate]

[queen sail]

SCal is by definition a bullet hell but doesn’t follow Touhou’s patterns

[lost agate]

Bullet furnace

[opal barn]

in conclusion: sans

[keen geyser]

Bullet purgatory

[ruby cobalt]

in fact, it follows next to no patterns

so

[queen sail]

Remember when SCal had Sans dialogue but edgy

[lost agate]

I mean

Some bosses from 2hu dont have a pattern sometimes

[ruby cobalt]

random(360) is a valid pattern, change my mind

[green pumice]

food for thought and food for mouth

[lost agate]

Marisa still sucks btw

[opal barn]

some bosses don't have patterns but they still have formations

also fucking bitchass why u fucking lyin

[lost agate]

Im not lying doe

[opal barn]

go to #general-media so i can prove to you that marisa does in fact not suck

[zealous ridge]

alright, so I've been looking at some accessories on the wiki and was thinking about their viability and uniqueness. I want to make a suggestion to help at least one of them, but I'm torn between a few items. I was wondering if any of you had something to say about the mentioned accessories, and which one you think needs the most help balance and effect-wise.

-Arcanum of the Void/Astral Arcanum's inherited effect: this accessory is a more extreme example of the nebulous core, having a unique effect that procs so infrequently that you might as well not equip it or not equip it for it's projectile deflecting property.

-Badge of bravery: a flat 20% boost to melee speed is nothing to scoff at, but personally I see it as a little boring. You'll be getting more value out of more versatile alternatives at this point of the game, the way I see it.

-Ornate Shield: posterchild for useless accessories, this thing's +8 defense is basically pointless, especially for an accessory slot in one of the most change-diverse points of your terraria playthrough.

-Necklace of Vexation: 20% extra damage is pretty nice, but since it's only active below 50% life it isn't very reliable, nor is it that interesting. I think it could be helped.

[fervent citrus]

hmm...

[sand umbra]

2 more starssssssssss

I have had ideas for 3 of these 4

[zealous ridge]

im assuming you were thinking about the cal bar-made accessories...? ive seen them talked about before

[sand umbra]

idea responses:

• Arcanum is the one I have nothing for, listen out for someone else on that one.
• Badge of Bravery grants a boost to general stats, with a focus on attack speed if Feral Claws stay in its recipe, based on how close you are to enemies. if no entities are alive in the world and hostile, you simply gain a flat 10% increase to all attack speed.
• Ornate Shield of Uselessness has a lot of potential, the general idea I figured was that it'd get a dash. See the sugg I made on it a while back. Would likely also come to include a Cryogen lore rework.
• Vexlace grants a normal boost of 15% damage but additionally grants bonus multiplicative damage based on the amount of health you're missing.

(note: Badge of Bravery procs lightly for normal enemies and much harder for bosses. Samurai Badge would take this entire sort of effect to the logical extreme, more than likely)

[zealous ridge]

hmm...

you had in mind more usefulness reworks, and the effects seem nice and fun

[terse sundial]

Ornate Shield and Shield of the Ocean both get something extra next update

[sand umbra]

wut

[zealous ridge]

(ooh sounds like fun)

[terse sundial]

so leave them out for now as they are pretty nice at times now

[sand umbra]

Ornate Shield buff

[terse sundial]

you didn't hear that from me though

[zealous ridge]

alright, ornate shield i'm glad it's getting attention

well deserved

[sand umbra]

Shield of the Ocean was gonna be something else I brought up but if it's already getting a new thing next update I'll stay quiet on it

[zealous ridge]

so that leaves vex and badge

[terse sundial]

as for the other pretty useless accessories, i'll look into them

[sand umbra]

that still leaves Vexlace and Badge though, yeah
and neither of them are particularly impressive atm

[zealous ridge]

vex and badge... i think it's important to note that both of these items converge in yharim's insignia

and i dont wanna risk the insignia getting... bloated? if that makes sense

[sand umbra]

well yes
one could easily grant nerfed variants of these effects to Insignia+

or in some cases, just keep them special to the base accs

Badge of Bravery already gets immediately upgraded into Insignia anyway

[zealous ridge]

yeah, hmm

[sand umbra]

might as well give that branch some nuance to whether or not you wish to take the upgrade or utilize the base acc to its fullest, since you can't really. move it anywhere else

(I mean, you can, but that's not really the point here as Yharim's Insignia itself is in something of an awkward spot in relation to Badge of Bravery)

[radiant meadow]

I buffed ornate shield by reducing its defense from 8 to 2

[sand umbra]

intriguing

now it can be even more useless I mean what

/s

[radiant meadow]

shield of the ocean now instantly electrocutes all enemies when you enter the water and launches a tactical nuke

[sand umbra]

perfection

[zealous ridge]

here's an idea
take that "bravery" motif you laid down in your suggestion, thomas, but gear it back to a defensive boost rather than an offensive one

"true melee strikes grant Tarra Life or some other regen buff"

when it moves to yharim's,

"true melee strikes grant Tyrant's Fury (buff granted from hits with tyrant's ultisword)"

one could be geared to survivability, the other could be geared towards damage, and you could choose and weigh which effects are more useful to your playstyle

[sand umbra]

ooo, that's a good-ass take

[zealous ridge]

btw, doesnt have to by tyrant's fury, could be some other damage buff

also true memellee buff

but yeah. the idea is out there

as for vex

ive been reading into the definition, and perhaps it could have some on-hit effect to mirror the "melee attacks inflict holy flames" of yharim's, especially considering vexation can mean the state of being vexed, or a sort of... affliction.

so basically, maybe melee attacks inflict a potent venom

and alongside that, maybe subsequent hits inflict a more dangerous venom

and that could show up in yharims as a greater holy flames burn with each subsequent hit

that may have to be limited to true melee to limit the free damage in exchange for risk, but yeah

[teal ibex]

i believe queen bee's enrage is not supposed to be harder. it's supposed to make the fight equally difficult on the surface vs the underground.

[formal cobalt]

I feel like it would've been easier if it hadn't enraged

[sand umbra]

and then it's harder anyway because her dashes are the speed of yeet

[formal cobalt]

*harder

[hollow shell]

You do indeed have a lot more mobility on the surface/in space than you do in a bee hive or the normal underground

[sand umbra]

in Hardmode? absolutely

in pre-Hardmode? not really given the necessary space for QB is pitifully small

[formal cobalt]

honestly, the enrage felt easier than the queen bee's underground stuff

[hollow shell]

So..

Are you, arguing against your own suggestion?

[sand umbra]

the enrage feels weird to me because it forgets that pre-Hardmode mobility is an enormous margin lower than Hardmode mobility

even with the existence of the now-nerfed Aero Stone, you can only get so far with a Bundle of Balloons and some shoes

[formal cobalt]

The suggestion was if the intent was to make Queen Bee harder

[hollow shell]

🤔

[sand umbra]

friendly reminder that with the surface enrage, all of QB's dashes are at full speed

[formal cobalt]

indeed

[sand umbra]

and while it's nothing like some...other entities we've spoken on before, she can still get pretty close when preparing to dash

not close enough to make it outright unfair, but definitely enough to require rather sharp reflexes to avoid a hit

[formal cobalt]

It would've been harder imo if she actually summoned bees

[sand umbra]

or very strategic placement

[formal cobalt]

while enraged

[teal ibex]

not gonna lie i think this is a strong case of subjective strengths

[sand umbra]

hi hec o/

[teal ibex]

it certainly took me a bit but i had no trouble getting into a pattern for surface queen bee. it's definitely punishing to say the least but it's fairly doable with a good cycle

hiya

[sand umbra]

honestly I really need to brush up on QB

[teal ibex]

but ye, i think that it definitely varies from person to person on which is harder so i personally kinda disagree with the suggestion. i also just hate finding hives underground so LOL

[strong minnow]

I love how people see a suggestion and then add their own that just a bit different

[swift bison]

what?

wait

[hallow kraken]

[formal cobalt]

to be fair, either suggestion does the same thing

[swift bison]

i didn't even read this cannel before posting my suggestion

[queen delta]

Both suggestions kinda go against each other lmao

[formal cobalt]

it would have to be one or the other

[hollow shell]

It's not chaining

But it is slightly annoying

[queen delta]

Yeah

[cloud surge]

Fyre, I use those larvae for getting materials when I can destroy her

[zealous ridge]

[swift bison]

wait im a total dumbass

[queen delta]

Like, seraph’s suggestion could easily be fused into the one above as an alternative

[small talon]

She enrages? I never noticed cuz she was so easy either way

[swift bison]

i didn't even realize that fyre's was a thing

ill delet mine for now

[hollow shell]

ffs

[small talon]

I always summoned her on planetoids

[cloud surge]

But I'd rather her enrage when outside jungle, not on the surface, than removing hive planetoids

[zealous ridge]

i just don't really think a change to QB is really required

[teal ibex]

likewise

[zealous ridge]

the reasoning is that she enrages, right?

[cloud surge]

Except random spawns of qb

[zealous ridge]

well, the enrage really doesnt imply inherently that QB is meant to be signifigantly harder on the surface

and i don't think that's the case, in game

you trade less space or more required preparation time in the underground, for more space but more aggressive attacks

[cloud surge]

But the surface enrage is probably just forcing players to fight her underground so they actually have to dig out an arena

[zealous ridge]

for me, that's not how i see it

i see it more as a... balance shift

it's a tradeoff

[cloud surge]

Not saying I like it though...

[zealous ridge]

go to the surface for more space, but more aggression, or fight her underground for less aggression, but less space

[formal cobalt]

enrage usually implies that you're not meant to fight something

[zealous ridge]

fair enough

[lost agate]

Uh no not really

[formal cobalt]

it's the only context I've seen enraged in

[cloud surge]

@formal cobalt it means you're not meant to fight it in a certain area

[zealous ridge]

i was not saying you guys had to like it, moreso im trying to propose counterarguments

[lost agate]

Demonshade's whole mechanic is enraging bosses

And some enrage arent that bad

[formal cobalt]

Plantera enrages outside of underground jungle, Duke Fishron enrages outside of beach

[zealous ridge]

i hope im not coming off as pretentious

[lost agate]

QB, golem

[hollow shell]

not the same kind of enrage, Demonshade.

[formal cobalt]

that's really the only context I have for enraging

[lost agate]

Vanilla enrage from plantera literally makes her easier

[zealous ridge]

but in any case

[lost agate]

Cuz she cant even reach you half the time

[hollow shell]

Judging from CV's enrage I think it's just meant to make fighting it on the surface just as hard as fighting it in the Dungeon
It has a higher max speed and its gravity area is larger

It doesn't deal 10x damage or spawn a billion Dark Energies or anything like that