Yes.
#suggestions-discussion
rapid pivot
umbral mulch
5% hp
rapid pivot
Heart Attack, or whatever the name change was.
night cradle
(Absolute Rage)
keen geyser
i still call it heart attack
rapid pivot
And 10% additional damage that isn't conditional on it being activated, with Draedon's.
umbral mulch
That requires an accessory slot
And you can just put something else there that gives that 10% damage
rapid pivot
With all the other benefits of Draedon's Heart?
sand umbra
to be frank, very few people going to use Draedon's Heart practically by the time you can get it
rapid pivot
Either way; Rage has plenty to distinguish it.
rapid pivot
maybe it ought to get a buff then?
umbral mulch
Draedon's heart just gives you a bunch of rage and rage related shit
vague karma
you're right, I should test it in the new version first
umbral mulch
The only thing it gives you outside of rage is buffs when you stand still
vague karma
thank you for pointing this out
keen geyser
i guess immunity to horror is like the main deal
umbral mulch
Draedon's Heart doesn't even give rage a big buff at all
keen geyser
wow 60 per second and 30% bonus damage in death
umbral mulch
Any of the effects you can get from it you can just get via filling rage yourself and using a different accessory
sand umbra
I think the underlying issue here is that Rage itself is not that useful for most practical purposes just because of how it works as a mechanic
but that's probably a different small rambling for me to go on another time
rapid pivot
hm
umbral mulch
Gaining something from being hit already can't be too good because it requires basically no effort to actually get it
sand umbra
except for when the point comes that you actually cannot get it without taking the fat L to a boss
umbral mulch
Yeah
rapid pivot
... actually, yeah, come to think of it, you're right
sand umbra
true melee will build it as well, except...see point 1
rapid pivot
maybe rage needs a revamp?
umbral mulch
Rage on the whole needs a revamp ye
rapid pivot
What if it was more of a speed + damage buff, that you built up.. hm..
umbral mulch
It's damage isn't even that good unless you're on death
sand umbra
you often times cannot get close to a boss, especially in later-game where it's expected to become more relevant, without taking an L or at least a fat chunk of damage
umbral mulch
And good luck having it every single boss fight on death
sand umbra
may I remind you that this and Adrenaline are only available on Revengeance and Death, two modes that practically balance around the player taking stupid amounts of damage
rapid pivot
..... What if it was sorta like adrenaline, but instead of getting it while you don't get hit, you get it by not healing?
rapid pivot
Maybe, but.. hm.. something in that vein, perhaps?
umbral mulch
It's an idea
keen geyser
not an out of the question idea imo
rapid pivot
like, let's be honest here; people who are capable of no-hits are going to be heavily using adrenaline already
but the people who do get hit.. this'd reward them for being risky
sand umbra
I personally don't really like rippers as a whole, they're a headache to balance and balance against, and really aren't even incredibly worth doing so for especially since only two modes are affected by them
that's just my thoughts, but
I will say
if Rage has to stay, it needs to become a bit more unique and/or there absolutely has to be a way to build it much faster
umbral mulch
I like adrenaline as a mechanic
It's a bit wonky but it gets the job done in rewarding the player for being good enough to avoid being hit that long
sand umbra
imo, it's a neat idea on paper but in practice it's a nightmare to balance things against
rapid pivot
The no-heal idea?
sand umbra
again, though, that's just me and it's not really my place to ramble about it at the moment
umbral mulch
No heal idea is a good starting point
I don't quite think it's what we want but it's getting there
sand umbra
it'd definitely require some more expanding upon it and figuring out how one would best balance it and balance against it
but it's a neat idea and a good potential starting point
rapid pivot
Like.. I can't help but imagine having this clutch thing that you can use when you need to GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY from an attack that'd kill you.
umbral mulch
What if rage was a speed boost
umbral mulch
Speed and damage is a bit much but there could be a balance between the two
queen sail
Devs don’t like the idea of rippers giving speed boosts iirc
umbral mulch
That's fair
rapid pivot
Oh, right, because it'd throw people's idea of how fast they are off, and that'd cause.. issues.
sand umbra
I mean movement speed buffs don't really affect top speed for boots
(blame Terraria's codebase being stupid)
queen sail
Honestly I think the issue with rippers is how they’re presented
Rage is pretty much a nerfed Ripper Mode (which is obvious but the point is still made)
Which would work in a combat game
...but Terraria itself doesn’t have the most engaging combat mechanics
sand umbra
Terraria is a game that is balanced around ranged play.
The overwhelming meta for boss-fighting probably isn't even one you consciously note half the time: it's "yeet away at the speed of e while barfing out 500 projectiles per tick".
queen sail
Rage is mainly built either by 1) getting hurt (which is a big no no most of the time) or 2) true melee strikes (a subclass that honestly struggles and often gets yeeted for muh beam swords)
Not only that, you lose Rage entirely if you get hit when you use it
Which means you pretty much wasted, like, five - ten minutes worth of rage building if you took a stray hit
Which is often why Rage is seen as lesser in comparison to Adren
sand umbra
Rage suffers from the same general field of issue that things like rogue stealth, the Shiny Stone, and Draedon's Heart do, though perhaps not quite for the same reason.
They all essentially ask you to guarantee damage taken just for you to output a marginally better amount of damage or gain some other increased statistic.
(The difference is that the examples I mentioned simply necessitate standing still --- which will probably guarantee some nasty hits from opponents anyway --- whilst Rage outright requires you to get up close and personal or take damage.)
queen sail
Do you lose all your adren if you get hit while using it?
sand umbra
Nope.
sand umbra
Adrenaline is a nightmare to balance against imo
Honestly, switching their loss-on-hit conditions might be fine.
Having Rage be the one that doesn't get lost on hit while being used, while Adrenaline can be the one that does get lost on hit while being used.
sand umbra
Not only will it help to balance the two out, it's fitting given how each one is individually built up.
Kirby, you're a genius.
queen sail
My IQ has paid off 
That and wouldn’t rage be more befitting being like
Unstoppable Rage
And adren would be more about focus
Rage being “You are extremely pissed off, murder everything in an unstoppable rampage”
Adrenaline being “You have focused yourself by not getting hit and can shred literally everything but getting hit knocks you out of your focus and you have to start over”
hollow shell
(please god let a suggestion result from this, the convo's been goin on for an hour)
queen sail
I mean I can but
umbral mulch
Kapp
queen sail
Thomas please do it for me I used all my IQ already 
umbral mulch
Rover do you have notifications on for this chat
terse sundial
umbral mulch
From the wording I thought you did lol
sand umbra
On today's episode of "some mechanics are a fucking nightmare to balance and balance against":
Swap the "on-hit" conditions of Rage and Adrenaline.
To clarify, this means that Adrenaline would be lost on getting hit while being used, whilst Rage would not be.
❔
To balance out the two, first and foremost --- Adrenaline is universally better than Rage even for the one class where Rage generally should be better, for the simple reason that Rage currently relies on getting hit and then...not getting hit while being used. Adrenaline by comparison is a free 5-second boost to numbers which are probably already big in the first place, and which can't be stopped once used.
A thematical fit, really --- Rage is already largely themed around getting pissed off and one can describe it as unstoppable fury, which lends itself well to the idea that it doesn't get lost on hit. Adrenaline, on the other hand, is largely based around focusing and not getting hit, so naturally it makes sense that getting hit would knock one out of focus and force them to get back on track again.
thoughts?
terse sundial
interesting
frosty dagger
You should make a poll on this I agree, brilliant idea
hollow shell
Yeah you should clarify that you mean post-activation
terse sundial
while I don't like nerfing adren again, I'd rather just remove the "on hit remove rage" overall
queen sail
No you don’t lose adren when it’s fully built and when you’re using it
terse sundial
I don't see the purpose of it in general
hollow shell
Yeah honestly
That'd be nice
Just make neither one disappear on-hit
You already built it up this far
hollow shell
You can cancel buffs
sand umbra
edited it to clarify that I meant "while being used"
umbral mulch
So basically you just want adrenaline to be lost if you're hit while using it/waiting to use it
sand umbra
and for Rage not to be
umbral mulch
Fair enough
wooden wedge
wasn't that how adren used to be?
umbral mulch
Adren you're not supposed to be getting hit to use it anyway
hollow shell
Rage was always lost on-hit as far as I can recall
sand umbra
Rage encourages getting up close and personal for big numbers and big boosts to your big numbers
hollow shell
Don't know why their buff effects are reversed
umbral mulch
Could have rage deal more damage for true melee
sand umbra
Adren, by comparison, encourages playing keep-away and staying focused on what's happening
hollow shell
Rage builds up on True melee hits
umbral mulch
Yeah
karmic stone
Then why do you just up and lose all rage upon getting hit after activating it 
sand umbra
so it seems borderline paradoxical that their buff effects are reversed when being used, with Rage being the one that's lost on hit while Adrenaline is a free 5-second big boost to already-big numbers
karmic stone
This ugly
queen sail
Rage being lost on hit is one of the main reasons mostly nobody uses it
umbral mulch
On top of the fact it's too much of a bitch to get beforehand
wooden wedge
I think the actual main reason is that it's never built up
queen sail
It’s a waste of time to build something that you might just lose due to a mishap
sand umbra
you're both right, actually
Rage is far too punishing to build up and far too easy to lose
queen sail
I’m not sure if the Rage boost items actually alleviate the issues
karmic stone
I try to use it right after getting hit for it to atleast do something
And that something may as well just not be
sand umbra
both of these factors contribute to it being practically useless
queen sail
Considering that the rage items boost its damage (which means nothing if it doesn’t address losing it on hit and its tedious build method)
Adren by comparison shortens the timer
sand umbra
Rage should be the unstoppable one and Adrenaline should be the one that takes focus and higher skill to use
correlating with their respective...themes, if you will
queen sail
Make adren high iq 
queen sail
The other way to build Rage up is taking damage
karmic stone
Other ways to build up other than true melee
queen sail
Which is 
queen sail
And by the time you get the accessory that naturally builds it up, you’re at the game’s current final boss
Oh HoD
karmic stone
Ye but what if HoD could actually build up rage consistently mid battle instead of having to stand afk right before
m
sand umbra
so!
any objections to the sugg at hand, speak now or forever hold your pieces
gettin' ready to post it and see how far it gets
queen sail
I mean I’m fine with it
umbral mulch
I'm fine with it for the most part
sand umbra
alrighty then
hollow shell
I don't think you need to stand still for HoD
karmic stone
I'd star it ye
wooden wedge
I mean you don't have to stand still
karmic stone
I meant as in
wooden wedge
but you're gonna be AFK while it's buidling up
karmic stone
Does anyone build up rage with HoD mid battle
wooden wedge
because it's so slow
karmic stone
Instead of using it before summoning a boss without doing much
sand umbra
aaaand we're live
hollow shell
It's not supposed to be your main source of Rage
It's the only way you can get Rage aside from getting hit (at the time you obtain it), which makes it decently strong on its own
sand umbra
it's the only way you can get rage aside from getting hit
aside from using true melee
which basically guarantees a hit anyway no matter what point in the game you're at so 
queen sail
Why lock one of the main gameplay mechanics of rev to an accessory and a subclass of one of 5 classes
You can take damage but, like
umbral mulch
Rage is for people that use heart of darkness and true melee at the same time :D
queen sail
The game pretty much encourages not getting hit (see the other gameplay mechanic of rev+)
hollow shell
No player can think "hmm I want to take exactly 4 hits this battle so that I may build up my rage"
Getting hit is a mistake
cobalt rose
heart of darkness exists
umbral mulch
There's enough rng in bosses to make not getting hit sometimes impossible
wooden wedge
except when you just want to do no hits on bosses
lost agate
Nohitting is only a very small part of the communith
hollow shell
Decently small
lost agate
Because trying to not get hit at all will more often than not likely ruin the fun in some bosses
sand umbra
that doesn't change the fact that the difficulties where you actually use these mechanics very much encourage not getting hit
and getting hit on these difficulties, especially in later-game, is an enormous detriment
hollow shell
Again, yes, they do encourage not getting hit
but good luck
umbral mulch
^
lost agate
Anywho, a suggestion was made already, dont see much point to continue
sand umbra
tired haven
How about, just not resetting already ongoing boost for both rage and adren
Only hits that would matter will be when you try to fill up adrenaline
queen delta
Huh, getting hit loses rage? Never had that happen to me
queen delta
Oh
sand umbra
yeah getting hit while using Rage causes it to poof
hallow kraken
rage needs to be improved in general
It’s almost impossible to get rage during boss fights because of how little it charges
grim tusk
Except with draedon's heart
hallow kraken
Even if you do get rage, how good is rage really
sand umbra
not very good
this sugg, while not a perfect solution by any means, is what I feel is a step in the right direction for making the two Rippers equally useful and balanced
terse rain
Nvm I misread you
frail mantle
ain't that a suggestion better asked in #wiki-basic doe
umbral mulch
I still don't know a damn thing about the lore
All I know is calamity mod fun and fair
hollow shell
Ehh
umbral mulch
Fairer™️
hollow shell
I dunno how well that'd go over, giving lore figures their own pages
Sounds like it'd lead to a lot of speculation or fan shit being inserted into pages
Our lore documentation has so far been reserved to trivia notes or verbatim restatings
and I think that works fine
queen sail
What do you mean that Infinity Zero from Ancients Awakened™ isn’t actually Xeroc’s father
left crest
Wow I guess I never realized that you lose the rage buff on hit
queen sail
/s
left crest
That's just dummy
wooden wedge
Would it be worth suggesting that the gelpick being fixed so that when you press the A and D keys that the player swings it in that direction?
terse sundial
I really don't want dedicated lore pages on the wiki
wooden wedge
Instead of it just being like the beesword autoswing
terse sundial
the one we have is fine
wooden wedge
To me when I used the gelpick it seemed kinda lazy to just have it be swinging in one direction while I'm mining in the other direction
distant gyro
you mean giving gelpick useturn?
sand umbra
what the fuck is useturn
wooden wedge
So you know how when you turn to a different direction
I'm guessing it means that the tool or wrapper you're using will follow that new direction
dusty stirrup
I'm pretty sure atleast 80% of people don't care about the lore ngl
wooden wedge
Hey this lore gives me more pickaxe speed
Cool
oh and there's some words on there too
dusty stirrup
They'll acknowledge it at most but nothing more
wooden wedge
Yeah tbh I've already forgotten most of the lore
distant gyro
ok but who wait who decides to walk backwards when they swing their pickaxe
wooden wedge
Bruh
distant gyro
easy fix though tbh some lurking dev
wooden wedge
Have you ever used a pickaxe
And yeah it does seem like it'd be an easy thing to change
That's why I asked here first
like an intellect
wooden wedge
Very miner thing
hollow shell
but yeah
ashen warren
hollow shell
hah
wooden wedge
Fucking can't view it on mobile
It just shows an image
Oh it loaded
i can't tell is this on .111
hollow shell
I don't know what this video is implying
distant gyro
turning on useturn
wooden wedge
Look at how the pick follows his character direction
hollow shell
Yeah I know I see that but I don't know why/how you Altix did that
wooden wedge
It's because I asked about making a suggestion about it here
distant gyro
idk to me it kinda felt like it's not really a big difference
hollow shell
"how" is what I'm most concerned about
distant gyro
point being that you don't really need to make a suggestion about it
distant gyro
how? toolkit
wooden wedge
So I'm guessing it's gonna be changed in the next version?
distant gyro
are there any other pickaxes like this btw
distant gyro
I see crystyl has useturn on, too lazy to check any other
wooden wedge
If nobody else can check it in like the next 20 minutes I'll do it
lost agate
i think use turn is just that you turn around or not when moving while using it
wooden wedge
imma start testing now
ok for pickaxes it's only the gelpick
out of axes, pickaxes and hammers the gelpick is the only tool that doesn't have use turn
sinful violet
(no)
prime rain
Anybody know how to get a halo?
hollow shell
Travelling Merchant sells it rarely.
Not the right channel to ask, though.
hollow shell
Preferably you'd just use the wiki for things like this
prime rain
I comepletely forgot
hollow shell
#help-advice-read-pins is usually the channel for questions though
prime rain
Ill just put my suggestion here completely
Make EoC drop Deal With It glasses lens in revengeance mode that give a 20% damage boost but you take 10.5% more damage based on how many bosses you have fought
It increases by 2.5% each boss you fight
Haha
hollow shell
That breaks a few of the rules in the Suggestion Don'ts doc, which is in pins
cloud surge
^
prime rain
Another mute
foggy plover
Why has there been a lot of deal with it glasses meme suggestions lately?
foggy plover
ive seen others, not from you
prime rain
All I did was two
plus thats not a suggestion as of yet
I was seeing if it would be taken lightly or taken horribly
Just be glad im smart enough to not put it in there
karmic stone
Yes you're smart
hollow shell
I'm glad about that too.
But not that glad, cuz you still didn't read pins
cobalt rose
but you aren't smart enough to read the don'ts doc :/
prime rain
Eh ill just suggest boosting a weapons damage by 30
Is that breaking anything?
I read it don't worry but still
hollow shell
wdym "boosting a weapons damage by 30"?
prime rain
As in
keen geyser
it matters which weapons
and also matters if they genuinely need buffs
if it's a buff for the hell of it, it's a don't
keen geyser
isn't "changes for no real reason" in the don'ts
hollow shell
No, it's in pins :P
hollow shell
Yeah that's kinda important
The weapon that you think should be buffed should be the first thing you think about
not that you wanna buff something and especially not the number you wanna buff it by
keen geyser
huh, you're right. You did write it after all. I could've sworn I saw it in there..
hollow shell
I could put it in the Don'ts doc too under Practices
keen geyser
I mean, if you don't consider it a massive nono, I don't see any real reason to tbh
hollow shell
It's a decently big nono
Suggestions should be spurred by something you want to see changed
not motivated by some empty desire to send text in the channel
keen geyser
true
prime rain
so saying make the bladecrest oathsword drop chance higher is a decent suggest or no
hollow shell
You could suggest that, yeah
As long as you have good reason for it
keen geyser
my inventory fills up way too fast for that to be valid
foggy plover
If you can find a good reason for a suggestion, generally its pretty good
prime rain
But thats the point
hollow shell
It's a decently low chance but Demons are pretty common enemies, especially PreHM
prime rain
Saying "I wasted over 2 hours trying to get the sword and it didn't drop till I was done with wall of flesh"
Isnt a good point
Honestly
hollow shell
Yeah cuz it's anecdotal
It'd be better if it was like
a semi-notoriously low drop chance
Like RoD
Then you could have an argument of "why is this one weapon so rare"
prime rain
Bruh
keen geyser
"I feel as if the Bladecrest Oathsword has too low of a drop rate. Especially since it's really only possible to effectively farm for in pre-hardmode, since Demons stop spawning as much in hardmode. I would say you could maybe up the chance by a percent or something I don't want it buffedso that getting the sword is actually feasible"
This would be an okay reason right
prime rain
Imksushi mod destroys that aurgument
hollow shell
The fact that it's affected by Defiled Rune defeats the point of suggesting it a lil bit
unless you think 5% is still too low
hollow shell
I'm not entirely sure what this conversation is supposed to be
keen geyser
tbh me neither
foggy plover
its explaining the concept of good suggestions to someone who I guess is trying to meme?
karmic stone
Imksushi mod destroys that aurgument
terse sundial
karmic stone
prime rain
what
RoD is easily craftable
Its not like farming for it is pointless or anything if your doing calamity mod ALONE
terse sundial
alright this convo has run its course
I'd recommend dropping it or moving channels
dusty stirrup
Make Sea Serpent, Oarfish and Gulper Eel passive until hit (or the player gets close to the head).
As it stands right now, Sea Serpent is the only NPC that's aggressive right upon spawning in the Sunken Sea. This is quite jarring for a biome supposed to be the most peaceful place in the game. People make a base in Sunken Sea Pre-HM and then they're forced to move it somewhere else due to Sea Serpents harassing them to no end.
As for Gulper Eel/Oarfish, I'm aware they're supposed to be passive at first, but it doesn't function properly as they just try to hover very close to the player's head, causing them to go aggro as soon as they get close to the player anyway. They ruin the aspect of Abyss being meant to be explored by being stealthy, and unlike Cuttlefishes, they're far from easy to kill and can actually do quite some damage with all their segments.
What I would recommend to fix them would be to give their head the same AI as the other abyss fishes, bar the block collision. This way, players will be able to avoid them but still have to work their way around them without getting close/hitting them, or simply waiting until they go away.
I know this kind of suggestion's been posted before her but byeahg
hollow shell
Sounds good
karmic stone
I'd star this, just a thing
Gulper Eel
(or the player gets close to the head)
Doesn't the Eel currently go towards you no matter your aggro or am I tripping
mighty knot
dusty stirrup
It does but it shouldn't
queen delta
Awesome suggestion 
dusty stirrup
It's supposed to do something like Eidolon wyrm but it does a stinky and attacks the player
aight, I'll post it
sand umbra
I always thought Oarfish and Gulper Eel were intentional 
ashen warren
amazing suggestion
zenith hazel
epic
dusty stirrup
They've got a different behaviour when passive and aggressive
it's really strange
but in both cases they head towards the player
unique vector
smh why do devs post suggestions when they can just forward it through testing
tepid root
unique vector
queen delta
Because then you have the argument of “90+ people agree with me”
unique vector
non
sand umbra
I already sugged Sea Serpents in particular becoming passive until provoked in the past
and if I knew anything worth half a fuck for worm AIs I'd probably have already done it myself
because like. it's always been jarring that there's this one singular enemy that gets pissy at you for your very existence
yet everybody else is calm
queen delta
Sea serpents are that one grumpy old man that hates people
sand umbra
yes
zenith hazel
because worms are angery
sand umbra
you go into the Sunken Sea for two seconds and a Sea Serpent is like "YOU DAMN KIDS GET OFFA MAH PROPERTY--"
dusty stirrup
I'd do it but I'm way behind with coding stuff at this point, don't wanna ask for source for a simple fix
hollow shell
@lunar plank A two to three minute delay before spawning a boss would be a bit obnoxious
It'd be really hard to add those themes in-game in a way that makes sense and doesn't intrude with anything
The themes weren't meant to be implemented, they're just a part of the OST
cloud surge
Scal spawns 3 minutes after yharon is killed like ml and the pillars
cobalt rose
adding them is also a don't iirc
hollow idol
its a frequently suggested
cobalt rose
its in the don'ts doc so it still counts
hollow shell
yeah
lunar plank
Fair enough. It would definitely intercept with other things. Not familiar with modding so I wasnt sure if it would be hard
radiant meadow
don't you have source access though, Phup?
radiant meadow
the one in calamitywiki should be updated enough afaik
lost agate
I dont think phup ever got into git so byeah
swift wadi
Is Threats of the Ocean Floor able to be heard in normal gameplay?
hollow shell
No
swift wadi
What if we gave it to AEW?
hollow shell
I proposed doing that before, but I suppose that would push it too far into boss territory
swift wadi
I mean, it's the hardest enemy in the game right? I don't think giving it a theme would be too bad
Plus it would act as a way to warn player of his presence, his hp might if it pops up before he's hit, but it that's turned off or it doesn't, it would make him known and even scarier for a new player to run into
hollow idol
Id say if AEW got it, it would be when its enraged
hollow shell
Funny you should mention that.
He plays this sound when he gets enraged.
swift wadi
Enraged AEW is so rare to fight I feel like it would be wasted on that
ashen warren
I agree with Epsilon. I feel like it would add to the terror of the AEW and it would fit the miniboss perfectly, given how powerful he is.
It would be a nice addition.
swift wadi
Oh goddamn it my sugg to add Threats of the Ocean Floor is in the "Don't"s doc, so is your sugg @lunar plank
ashen warren
thats a shame
swift wadi
Adult Eidolon Wyrm
hallow hatch
Bruh
quartz hare
swift wadi
commonly asked for and already known by the devs iirc
if they want to they will make one, but for now they know people are asking for it and have their own plans i think
void kelp
hey, now that shucks has gotten into the groove of making summons, it could happen 
keen geyser
Maybe 
frail mantle
a Plague summon weapon is planned, i believe
hollow saffron
ngl idk what to suggest anymore lol
tired haven
Time to farm crabulon, harhar
fervent citrus
insert crabulon rave here
tired haven
Time to check if anyone suggested crabulon do that already
modern rock
I mean, I usually just use the clentaminator on the surface Jungle once the truffle has moved in to get mushrooms seeing as the trees fully convert but I can see it being inconvenient I guess
teal ibex
i still wish you could use blue solution on chlorophyte ore tbh
tired haven
Welp, that's certainly a blue mark, there are at least 2 90⭐ suggestions in last 8 months
queen delta
Anything past june 1?
queen delta
Crabulon drops a ton of glowing mushrooms so i dont think him dropping shroomite is necessary
fervent citrus
tru, he also drops enough mushroom grass seeds which you can later convert into jungle grass seeds using green solution
karmic stone
How does this relate though
fervent citrus
good question 
gusty geode
Alternative solution to the new sug
What if every other class used Adrenaline
While Melee was built to make use of rage
Melee's already the only class built to take a lotta hits, which makes it easier to use rage
So it makes sense
sand umbra
scenic crypt
Isn’t lack of chlorophyte the main problem when trying to get enough shroomite bars since crabulon alr drops glowing mushrooms
sand umbra
like, Squid
I'm gonna be really blunt with you here
that makes virtually no sense to me
melee shouldn't get half the fucking rippers to itself in the first place
all classes need reliable ways to build rage
scenic crypt
In deathmode you can’t take a lot of hits if you’re not playing melee
scenic crypt
If all weapons can build up rage then what’s the purpose of true melee
sand umbra
if only true melee can build up Rage, an already pathetically mediocre mechanic, past taking damage or using that one accessory chain nobody likes
then what's the point of Rage
ruby cobalt
it never had any
scenic crypt
The rage accessory chain ends after DoG with draedon’s heart
elder mist
tired haven
Tbh summoner should generate rage when the damn minions don't hit what you right clicked 
umbral mulch
Every second the minions don't hit what's purple you gain rage
teal ibex
@scenic crypt i don't think people are particularly worried about the cost of chlorophyte but just the general tedium
with spectre you just kill stuff in the dungeon. with shroomite you get mushroom seeds, a bunch of mud, create an artificial biome, house a dude, wait for him to move in, and then buy something only to then have to gather glowing mushrooms as well
luckily in calamity glowing mushroom planetoids are an option, but that's still pretty ehhhh
it's just incredibly disjointed for some reason
tired haven
Well, dungeon is supposed to be "dangerous", ig
So farming is seen as "has to be more complex for the pacifist nature of it"
teal ibex
true but you also get weapons while farming the spectre stuff
so it's still unbalanced
tired haven
It is
teal ibex
you just get way more bang for your buck in general because spectre armor is busted too LOL
tired haven
Can't really advocate that, just knowing how it goes with 200 fishing quests achievement and such
tepid root
wth does successfully right clicking with summons mean, you literally just right click, and it "works"
tired haven
if there are no enemies nearby that won't work 
tepid root
explode
tired haven
But ye
queen delta
If you right click and nothing happens, your rage is disabled forever and you get 10 debuffs inflicted on you
tepid root
aaaaa
tired haven
Also, actually given how broken true melee rage gain is (in terms that it barely matters), adding more dead options is kinda excessive
gusty geode
If I may give my bad opinion
I think having to obtain items in ways that are more complex than just killing and mining is a nice change of pace
Shroomite is a good example of that
Having you get a special crafting station from a special NPC
And then farming for a material that, depending on how you play, you might already have a lot of, and if not you can still get it relatively easily
elfin swan
Living up to your name
Yeah but QoL is never a bad thing, like how aureus drops fragments so you don't have to deal with celestial events
wooden wedge
wyverns only have like 8000 HP
queen delta
Have a few stuff in your inventory, then talk to an npc to trade in those items for a good item
wooden wedge
which is pretty small
gusty geode
I'd tackle that by having Mushroom biome enemies drop Glowing Mushrooms, personally
Makes sense, and it'd actually give a reason to care about them
wooden wedge
don't ice golems have a boss healthbar?
queen delta
Yeah iirc
wooden wedge
and I think they also have 8000 health
wooden wedge
or explosive
elder mist
i have to say being forced to get a new anvil, like autohammer or sky mill or ice machine, just for a piece of armor to me isn't a 'nice change of pace', it's annoying
tired haven
Or imprecise powerful weps
elder mist
whenever I first wanted to get aerilate in my recent playthrough, brought all the mats to the anvil and saw no armor, checked recipe browser and there it said sky mill
I rolled my eyes, not feel excited
tired haven
I guess what's partially an issue of shroomite, it's that you have to get a crafting station for a single recipe
Everything else is done on a regular anvil
gusty geode
Same applies to the Blend-o-matic for Asphalt but nobody complains about that
elder mist
asphalt isn't as widely used as an in-tier armor
elder mist
poor comparison
gusty geode
Ok, better one
Hellforges are used exclusively for converting Hellstone ore to bars
elfin swan
But they also function as normal furnaces
They're an upgrade rather than a one time gimick
gusty geode
Just checked wiki and yeah
You probably won't use it for more than that tho
And it's an upgrade that you use for exactly one tier
gusty geode
Or
Ig 2 if you count the first 2 Hardmode ores
Yeah
You get another upgrade almost immediately after
elder mist
at least you dont need to go out of your way to get it
since while you're making an arena for wof you'll guaranteedly encounter one
elfin swan
You could say the same about a lot of weapons and accessories too, like the PDA and cell phone
elder mist
autohammer you have to go out of your way to build an above ground mush biome just to get it
and while in modded this isn't as big of a problem
in vanilla making an above ground mushroom biome is obnoxious
queen delta
^
teal ibex
@gusty geode i wholly agree that having non-farming methods of obtaining items is cool. i've made suggestions advocating it multiple times.
i don't, however, find it very cool that those methods should take such dramatically disproportionate amounts of time and actively hinder the player for playing differently
shroomite as it stands right now is an awesome concept that actually builds upon interacting with the world, which is AWESOME and should be prevalent in way more aspects of a game where you can destroy and create anything
however, it's completely torn down by the fact that the process is so demanding and involves waiting not once, but twice, and sometimes even three times just to get gear that other classes can get in like 15m tops
versed tundra
Builing a skybridge, cabin and then planting a few seeds is so little to ask
gusty geode
Somewhat unrelated but I just realized something that would make the whole process a little less painful
Move the Dryad into an underground Mushroom biome
She sells the seeds you need then
That skips a third of the process
tired haven
it doesn't in calamity because crabbo thankfully drops seeds already
in vanilla that's decent method tho
gusty geode
Anyway
Like I said, having Mushroom biome enemies drop Glowing Mushrooms would help with getting enough of them for Shroomite
It's a simple change, it makes sense, and it actually gives a reason to fight them
versed tundra
So does anyone have a better idea for a way to give rage to summoners?
resummoning for attack refeshes? using sentries well (since they are hard to use on most bosses)?
gusty geode
Memes aside gaining rage when your summons damage an enemy that isn't the one being targeted makes sense
versed tundra
it makes you rage IRL, but it's not really skill based
unless
unless you summon voluntarily in a "bad" spot so the minion has to go through another ennemy before they reach their target
gusty geode
A sentry that makes you passively gain rage would also work
Would help all classes a little
But benefit summoner the most, as they'd be able to summon multiple
sand umbra
Rage with Summoner is a fickle thing
anything you can do, 9 times out of 10, will end up helping other classes more than Summoner itself
potent veldt
Tbh the only "logical" way I could see Summoner building rage without taking damage is getting pissed that their summons are missing their target
sand umbra
that'd make every class OP because then you could have a slow summon at all times for ez rage
potent veldt
No no, with summoner its different
sand umbra
oh I see what you're saying, don't get me wrong
but you really do need to be more specific
you have to remember that summons can be used alongside other weapons with virtually no penalty
versed tundra
a summoner uses right click target and resummons minions mid-fight, unlike other classes
potent veldt
You could make it so you have to have summoner armor to make it count
versed tundra
the summoner's rage mechanic should be based on that
potent veldt
So maybe there could be a way to make true summoners gain rage from their summons being idiots and missing
The more important the target is, the more rage
tired haven
Summoner armor being required is a crutch to the hybrid trouble
sand umbra
~~ngl I feel like this is a commentary on how Summoner as a whole feels
not that I dislike the idea, it's just amusing to me~~
see, the big thing of it is, Summoner in vanilla is not designed intricately enough to be a standalone class
tired haven
tbh, up to this day I wonder how pure summoner has to be designed to not make hybrids op and to be engaging gameplay
sand umbra
I think the main thing of it is that
tired haven
Special trouble is that first summon always matters more than additional
potent veldt
Well, honestly the "must be pure summoner" part makes perfect sense too
tired haven
So non-summoners get hidden benefit
tired haven
Maybe
potent veldt
If you're hybriding, you're not really all that focused on your minions missing
If they miss, oh well, you have other options
tired haven
Maybe the main thing
gusty geode
I've had ideas to make pure Summoner interesting
They'd all be absolute ass to code but they exist
tired haven
smh
versed tundra
@potent veldt it's not missing, that should be rewarding rage, it's hitting OTHER targets when only one is being right-click focused
sand umbra
listen I'm too busy remembering how to make Summoner into bootleg Pokemon Trainer, I don't have time to figure out what y'all are speakin' of
potent veldt
That could work too, but thats also specific and just really hard to do
Because summons hard focus targetted enemies
SDD will actually shoot across the entire screen sometimes just because you right clicked an enemy while it was busy off screen
tired haven
Guess time to make even more powerful banners to hold in hand so it's actually worth instead of holding 
they will also affect summons AI presets and be absolute garbage to code
sand umbra
what is this, Thorium--
tired haven
Partially
sand umbra
fair enough
honestly the banner idea Thorium has would be pretty neat
making summons more powerful as you hold a specific item
yes I said the SI word please don't banaenae me
like, it'd help out pure summoners whilst prevent hybrids from being absolutely broken
potent veldt
I'm actually perfectly fine with BlueMushroom enemies dropping blue mushrooms, because damn are they some pointless enemies
sand umbra
since those banners/specific things wouldn't be as practical to hold for those utilizing a hybrid-style setup
meanwhile, it ain't like Summoners really have any other weapons to fire while their minions are off being retarded
versed tundra
here is how it would work
sand umbra
tired haven
Well, as long as they are not just stat buffs I'd be really pumped to see some "banner" variations
Ooooo nice concept art
sand umbra
ooo
versed tundra
you summon your melee summons behind the targetted enemies so that they can do collateral damage on the way
potent veldt
That wouldnt logically build rage though
gusty geode
A) Summons that do more things
Currently vanilla only has summons that attack, and Calamity adds 1 or 2 that provide some kinda support function. Expanding on the idea of support, with summons that buff the user, other summons or even other players, or provide some other new function (perhaps attacking based on what the player does, I.e. releasing energy balls that home in on enemies when the player touches them) would make Summoner more interesting and engaging.
B) A more advanced targeting system
It would be cool if you could make summons focus on enemies based on certain stats, such as the one with the most HP (for focusing bosses) or the most common one (for clearing away boss minions or events). Maybe you could even have different minions prioritize different enemies, encouraging the use of multiple kinds of summons at once.
potent veldt
Whos gets mad at their summon for killing enemies
sand umbra
that is actually really creative and adds a skill-based element to it
tired haven
Who would get mad from using a pure blade instead of proper shooting madness 
And yeah
gusty geode
That is how to make Summoner interesting
versed tundra
Who gets mad because they hit true melee damage?
sand umbra
versed tundra
no
valid swallow
why a summon that starts weak and gets stronger the more enemies it kills
sand umbra
might as well add some skill-based elements to it for other classes
valid swallow
thered need to be some limits ofc
versed tundra
I'm not saying my idea can fix the pure summoner class, but it gives something interesting to try and do
potent veldt
Weapons getting stronger off of kills is super risky in balancing
valid swallow
ehh, just add a cap to it
versed tundra
^
valid swallow
and have a blacklist of enemies
sand umbra
you'd almost have to balance it like Pokemon
if your summon gets too strong before a certain point it just abandons your sorry ass
potent veldt
That sounds just annoying then
sand umbra
/s
potent veldt
"This really strong summon of mine that Ive spent time grinding up its strength for won't attack this enemy for some reason"
gusty geode
Anyone see my ideas
valid swallow
just make slimes and other statue enemies not give upgrade points
potent veldt
What did that have to do with what I just said
terse sundial
summoner overhaul is
sand umbra
...you know, I'm surprised
potent veldt
Also, I saw, Squid
terse sundial
that is my opinion
potent veldt
Sounded cool
sand umbra
I've never seen someone simultaneously lowball and highball the complexity of making summons
...until now
hallow kraken
Isn’t scaling a don’t or something
terse sundial
not necessarily
potent veldt
Balancing your own suggestions yourself is a dont
Since it'll basically be ignored anyway
hallow kraken
cool
terse sundial
mhm you gotta leave the balancing to us testers
that's why I don't like buff/nerf suggestions that much
keen geyser
also isnt that a scaling item
wooden wedge
tbh getting glowing mushrooms is very easy
you can either just grind crabulon
or make an artificial glowing mushroom biome
both give a lot of glowing mushrooms
and with crabulon you get infinite glowing mushrooms
because he drops more than the boss summon needs
tired haven
Might as well just buy summon item
gusty geode
Do people ever make Mushroom biomes larger than what you need to house the Truffle
I've converted some/all of my surface Jungle before
Looks kinda cool
keen geyser
i do that to farm for fungal carapace
teal ibex
i think most people convert surface jungle for mushrooms if they bother with it
teal ibex
i keep it that way tbh. you don't need a surface jungle, just an underground
elder mist
truffle worm farming in vanilla
teal ibex
i'd probably convert it exclusively if i wanted to farm turtle shells
elder mist
convert jungle to glowing mush biome
also
crabulon is easily farmable
and it gives glowing shrooms
teal ibex
idk why people think the problem with shroomite is resources
it's just time investment lol
tired haven
Chloro is certainly less of an issue tho
Otherwise spectre and turtle would have been at the same stake
hollow shell
I always make big mushroom islands for the Truffle to life on, and I perforate the ground to give more places for Glowing Mushrooms to grow on
and I still run out of mushrooms when crafting Shroomite, and definitely before I run out of Chlorophyte
elder mist
there's no easy farm for chloro like there is glowing mushrooms
which is why i said chloro technically should be more of an issue than glowing shrooms
elder mist
step 1: buy 3 crabulon summons
step 2: armageddon
step 3: congrats
hollow shell
fair enough
elder mist
going to the jungle and mining takes way more time than killing crabulon too
teal ibex
well okay, fancy new counterpoint
elder mist
like hec said it's just more time invest
tired haven
Thing is that since in calamity chlorophyte gear is off-meta you never are at deficite of it really
(chloro bullets are special case but yknow)
elder mist
than actually hard
teal ibex
actually wait hold on lemme check smth
elder mist
but in vanilla for sure getting glowing shrooms is annoying af
teal ibex
yeah ok you can fish for chlorophyte now
so it's a lot easier due to that, but still
looooooooots of time
to do all the necessary components
hollow shell
Ah yes I'm glad fishing is here to solve all our problems
tired haven
Am not glad but eh 
teal ibex
learn to love it ő̴̓r̵̿̏ ̵̊̕s̵̛̏u̶̔͗f̸̍͋f̴̏̾e̴͂́r̵̓̓!̶̾͗
elder mist
only thing im pensive is that i can't craft suprem tackle box in phm anymore
not even early hm
since you need mythril anvil
hollow shell
but now you've got a pretty pearl
teal ibex
well if you're fishing just stockpile crates
immediately open in hardmode
congrat u hav anvl
elder mist
id accept more "you don't have patience"
which is kinda true
i dont have patience for fishing if it's not taking 2 seconds per hook
hollow shell
just install Luiafk smh
Let it fish for you
elder mist
ew cheat mods
teal ibex
rover warned 
tired haven
It is cheating, just less punished one
teal ibex
ein warned
tired haven
It wasn't directed at anyone so couldn't really care about that
Also ein muted I am so sad
teal ibex
leaving server and reporting for direct harrassment
teal ibex
Rover | Former Suggestion Librarian
lost agate
I thought the hard part of getting shroomite was the chlorophyte
karmic stone
Mushrooms delete themselves quickly but you can just go and get more easily
I've had more problems with Chloro yea
sand umbra
Chloro has always been a pain to farm
mainly because you need it for a huge variety of things
teal ibex
luckily, fishing is here to save the day 
green pumice
is this necessary
dim palm
yes
dim palm
If it messes with progression, then add extra crafting materials to the recipe that can only be obtained at a certain point
green pumice
that just makes it more tedious
versed tundra
that makes it more annoying
dim palm
But it makes sense :I
That's what the tinkerers workshop is for
It's tooltip is "used to combine accessories"
green pumice
theres still no reason for it
potent veldt
I get the point of it, but it's also a situation of "The only reason is because I said so, dangit"
dim palm
Lol
potent veldt
There's no "rule" on accessories requiring the tinkers workshop
Hell, some make more sense without it
Why do I need an accessory workshop to slam some rocks together to make a boulder?
potent veldt
You know what I actually might suggest though, that could make that problem a little more bearable
Add Tinkerers Workshop to the Draedons Forge recipe, and give it it's recipes
dim palm
That's what I was gonna say lol
It would give it a better use then what it currently has
potent veldt
^^^
green pumice
thats good ig
potent veldt
Draedon's is meant to be the "final crafting station", yet completely ignores a station that still is required for all of the starts of each accessory tree, basically
green pumice
ye
potent veldt
Screw it, I'll go suggest it
dim palm
Mk
radiant meadow
bloody worm scarf is crafted at a mythril anvil to lock it to hardmode
frail mantle
tbh i feel like giving Draedon's Forge Tinkerer's Workshop functionality would bloat its usefulness
dim palm
Maybe you could make it so that the scarf requires cursed flames/ichor
frail mantle
it already works as four crafting stations+you need it for crafting basically any post-DoG item
dim palm
So that it's hardmode exclusive
terse sundial
Or we could just not change it and leave it as is
I like the idea of the tinker workshop being in the draedon's forge recipe a lot
super convenience is good
potent veldt
Shadowspec workshop
potent veldt
I'm gonna become a donator just to put that in
cloud surge
Shadowspec is for dev items only tho
terse sundial
^
potent veldt
And it won't even have a use, it'll just look different
potent veldt
Ahh, my b
queen delta
Gotta learn how to code instead 
radiant meadow
aeries uses the vanilla vampire knife heal projectile iirc
ashen warren
yes, that's true, i've checked before suggesting
but even then, the Vampire Knive's red projectiles are probably an allusion to blood, while there's no such thing for the other healing weapons
frail mantle
both spawn and defeat animations for bosses have been suggested before iirc
hollow saffron
this isn't the enderdragon
we don't need that unless it's like a major boss like Yharim
but that's my opinion
teal ibex
this suggestion is cute but wickedly unrealistic
some bosses haven't even had their sprites updated for years, so adding entire new cinematic-style animations would either be lackluster repurposing of existing assets or just not a thing for a very long time
keen geyser
they're working on resprites for most, if not all outdated sprites, right?
or, going to be
bitter topaz
resprites are in the works, yes
it doesn't mean that making death animations is exactly easy
devout seal
They just take a long time
bitter topaz
ah
hollow shell
@supple lodge Frequently suggested, in the doc
teal ibex
double trouble
hollow shell
Or at least, death animations are
green pumice
hmm why do we have a purified gel pickaxe but not hamaxe
radiant meadow
because yes
lack of a sprite? idk
not every set needs to be "complete"
there's no perennial hammer
or uelibloom hammer/axe
or bloodflare/cosmilite tools
radiant meadow
brb removing Gelpick due to Molten Pickaxe's existence
green pumice
sand umbra
am I late to the discussion of Tinkerer's Workshop as a crafting station
green pumice
yes
sand umbra
because I really do feel like Calamity completely misses a lot of opportunities for crafting things at one and--
aw
alright then, carry on
green pumice
you can still mention it
teal ibex
i was similarly surprised by people's general disposition that tinker's table should be excluded from calamity recipes but it's not something i'm willing to stand up for much
sand umbra
the way I see it is that currently crafting stations are
very blatantly or very subtly (it really depends on how you look at it) used as progression-lock for a lot of things that would otherwise be obtainable much earlier on
sand umbra
or, hear me out
actually wait
I had the example of Bloody Worm Scarf in mind but I don't know if anyone else is on the same page
lost agate
making them obtainable as soon as you get all accesories aint gonna happen
sand umbra
oh, of course
I'm all for giving upgraded accessories some degree of separation
but like, to give an example
radiant meadow
what if
sand umbra
Bloody Worm Scarf could be crafted at the Workshop...but take e.g. Cursed Flames/Ichor and Purified Gel or smth
radiant meadow
it requires tinkerer's workshop
but also takes mythril anvil
so you need 2 crafting stations
I'm not sorry
lost agate
oh yeah you can have 2 crafting stations as required
sand umbra
(although who would do that honestly)
lost agate
you need lotsa tool hahueh
sand umbra
in this particular instance, no
radiant meadow
Challenge accepted
sand umbra
gdi ben
green pumice
😬
supple lodge
Removed the death animations part
arctic wren
When playing ranger in vanilla, I’ve found that Shroomite bars were an absolute pain to farm for.
To be honest in my experience shroomite is either:
- super easy to get if you set a mushroom farm early
- super hard to get if you don't
Not the worst change in the world though I guess 🤔
sand umbra
no? or at least, not that I'm aware of
keen geyser
noep
night cradle
He doesn't
ashen warren
imo mushrooms aren't hard to obtain, i have a surface artifical mushroom biome of moderate size and it gives me, like, 150 mushrooms everytime i go there and it grows hella fast
keen geyser
you can already get glowshrooms really easily
just one hit ko 10 crabulons
and get like 400 shrooms
green pumice
true
small talon
And... why should this be added and what does it do
vocal grotto
Don't make meme suggestions. Deleted.
distant gyro
nice snipe point
cyan lagoon
karmic stone
First message as well hahaues
distant gyro
@chilly elk short answer : no
wooden wedge
@chilly elk pretty sure this has to do with tmod bugs
cobalt rose
^
distant gyro
not-that-long-of-an-answer : the art of ever-changing modded item IDs doom item frames for eternity pretty much
hollow shell
tMod, yes
gusty geode
I thought they fixed that recently
sand umbra
something something no removing non-linearity
karmic stone
X not dropping things if Y (which is before) hasn't been defeated is way too linear
cobalt rose
wait why does the suggestion start with "isn't it annoying how some bosses can only be spawned in the day time?"
wooden wedge
they don't
and I think only provi can be summoned in the daytime
and it's not like it matters at that point in the game
because of cosmolight
hallow hatch
^
cobalt rose
also their suggestion is heavily typo'd
wooden wedge
they said that they were tired earlier
umbral mulch
Isn't provi the only one that has to be spawned during day
wooden wedge
yes, I said that
karmic stone
Profaned Guardians h
hallow hatch
profaned guardians too
karmic stone
yes, I said that
swift bison
this suggestion to the best i can understand is against the rules due to being a suggestion of the removal of nonlinearity
hollow shell
It sounds like he's bringing up two entirely different points
distant gyro
I see the suggestion moves from one point to another completely unrelated point
hollow shell
very weird
distant gyro
exactly
sand umbra
yeah this sugg is of an alien format to me
gusty geode
Are suggestions regarding increasing the non-linearity ok
keen geyser
specify
hallow kraken
Let’s hear what you’re thinking
gusty geode
Have a couple ideas
Making Plague enemies (excluding the Plaguebringer) spawn in Hardmode pre-Golem so PBG can be fought early
Making Eidolists spawn in the Abyss pre-hardmode
Making Abyss mini-bosses drop their weapons at any time (with the possible exception of Wyrm drops only dropping from the Adults pre-ML)
karmic stone
y
keen geyser
getting calamari pre-polter
hollow shell
So
the trigger for the Plague would be post-WoF instead of post-Golem
but PBG would still be post-Golem difficulty
versed mica
Yeah honestly right now I think abyss drops are fine where they are
distant gyro
there's a fine line between hardmode jungle and plagued jungle imo
hollow shell
and yeah that'd remove Polter's association with the Abyss
distant gyro
They shouldn't be mixed because derplings would immediately be replaced with virulings, tortoise with plagueshells, and such
gusty geode
Plague enemies wouldn't spawn nearly as frequently pre-Golem as they would post-Golem
So it wouldn't be too much worse to explore
distant gyro
This would also introduce like 15 enemies to the jungle at the start of hardmode
keen geyser
also plague debuff HURT
dusty stirrup
Can I get a translation for this suggestion here because I have trouble understanding it
hallow kraken
Wouldn’t this also give early access to post golem weapons like acid rounds and plaguenades?
distant gyro
also those
ruby cobalt
do things as they're already done
elder mist
Translation:
I dont know if this is the right place, but isn't it kind of annoying that some bosses can only be spawned in the day time? wouldn't it be easier to make it so if a certain boss isn't killed, the next one doesn't drop anything until the boss before it is killed? like the Abyss monsters needing Polterghast to give loot? or would that be really annoying? Just a thought.
ruby cobalt
that's what I'm getting from it
elder mist
dusty stirrup
bruh
hollow shell
He does indeed have two separate suggestions in one
dusty stirrup
Thank you for your services ein
distant gyro
keen geyser
you speak the language of gods
hollow shell
@split jay Could you try rewriting your suggestion to be more understandable, and focus on one idea?
You talk about progression-locking and spawn conditions
And, by the way,
the previous point is a Don't ("Suggestion Don'ts" doc in pins)
Calamity does several things to allow you to fight bosses out of order if you want to
We're not going to be reducing any of that any time soon
sand umbra
okay so I'm gonna be really honestly here
if Plantera wasn't already an enormous power spike as-is, I'd honestly suggest moving the Plague trigger to post-Plantera
keen geyser
uh, i know this isn't the channel to do this, but since you're here rover. Could the wiki be in the need of an update for aquatic scourge's behaviour if you leave the sulfuric sea?
hollow shell
I guess that'd make more sense thematically
hollow saffron
isinint kind of annoying some bosses can only be spawned in the day time
uh
WHAT do you mean
sand umbra
Golem, while yes he is located in the Jungle Temple...
...he doesn't really have any actual association with the Jungle itself
hollow saffron
id say its kinda annoying when you try to oneshot a boss and they just go "no" and crash your game lmao
distant gyro
enchantment table language
hollow shell
And sure yeah I can try Voidborn
sand umbra
Plantera would make more sense thematically and it makes me upset that Plantera already spikes the power and content level sky-high
keen geyser
since it says it just gains faster attacks and movespeed, but it just despawns once you leave
foggy plover
there is a fuck ton of weapons made from ectoplasm/living shards