That's fucking horrifying
#suggestions-discussion
swift wadi
hallow hatch
you sacrifice
potent veldt
Again, yeah
hallow hatch
the guide
potent veldt
T rating
hallow hatch
for a wall of flesh
potent veldt
Children shouldn't be near Terraria in general lol
hallow hatch
there is a cult outside the dungeon
lost agate
Yeah if you wanna bring kids as an excuse, terraria isnt even for kids 
subtle cove
No change brimmy
sinful violet
Don(
cobalt rose
aint terraria rated T
sinful violet
t
hallow hatch
so whats the idea behind changing brimmy?
lost agate
Yes xvader
wide flicker
There is a guy that exists as a tortured soul for the horrid things he has done
hallow hatch
if its because of the kids than I call bs
wide flicker
Possibly horrid things
hallow kraken
currently looking at DP’s quotes
hollow idol
Thats more of implications, I dont think a person who sees the tortured soul will be like “oh man this guy has probably dismembered others”
subtle cove
In terraria there are worse things than brimmy sprite
hallow hatch
^^
potent veldt
I mean, if I'm being honest
swift wadi
Reminder that the Wizard is totally gay for Permafrost
hallow hatch
"mourning wood"
potent veldt
I do feel it shouldn't be too suggestive
hallow hatch
lmao
swift wadi
Remember that quote
ashen warren
there are plenty other terryfuing stuff in terraria
potent veldt
If toning down everything that's a bit on edge is the issue, then I can get that
hallow hatch
mourning wood, golden shower, master bait,
potent veldt
Being picky is weird though
ashen warren
oh yea those name are a thing
lost agate
I dont see why it should change
hallow hatch
the stuff on the edge is part of the game
there is no reason to change it
terraria is not a kids game.
lost agate
So this topic doesnt seem to go anywhere anymore
potent veldt
Yeah
dusty stirrup
Brunga how long are we gonna be saying the same thing over and over again now
potent veldt
Might as well just die down for now
hollow idol
its just a loop of “Terraria isnt for kids” rn
sinful violet
This is honestly still a pointless conversation. Less nsfw is something we’re focusing on but at this point, move it to at least cal or gen.
lost agate
i was just saying we are going in loops lmao
swift wadi
Fun fact that Brimmy WAS censored at one point
hollow idol
except that changed like one update later
sinful violet
Trying to get changes which make the mod less nsfw is a struggle enough for us as is.
lost agate
Eh
sand umbra
shark gun
lost agate
I guess?
hallow kraken
nowthatscool
sand umbra
~~it'd be more logical to move Barracuda Gun later and buff Piranha Gun to compensate imo
but this isn't my sugg and I'm too busy attempting to understand IL editing to make a sugg rn~~
hallow hatch
ig could be upgraded into something post-providence
maybe like a trasher gun?
abyss/sulpherous sea themed?
hallow hatch
yea that
wooden wedge
you need a reason
sand umbra
MAULER GUN
MAULER GUN
(post-Polter would be a neat spot also but hmmmst)
wooden wedge
and an actual suggestion too
hallow hatch
mauler gun
wide flicker
Mauler fun
wooden wedge
@ashen warren
umbral mulch
Hell yeah brother
keen geyser
cotton
ashen warren
wat
zenith hazel
no meme suggestions please
wide flicker
Sorry autocorrect on mobile sucks
wooden wedge
yes
ashen warren
ABHH
wooden wedge
read the pins
zenith hazel
idek if it's even a meme suggestion
ashen warren
ay i was editing
worthy fiber
It is
ashen warren
:C
zenith hazel
but it seems memey enough to qualify
cobalt rose
not the place to tak about that
worthy fiber
anyway back on topic
Frost Hydra is the only biome weapon without an upgrade
wooden wedge
that ain't suggestion talk
hollow shell
okay Bolivia's suggestion is delet I guess
hallow hatch
hahah
hollow idol
sug deleted
open brook
F
lost agate
im making an endo upgrade to hydra staff that basically shoots fucken fireworks and you cant stop me
hallow hatch
I like that
sand umbra
have fun making it viable
open brook
xd
hallow hatch
combine celebration with frost hydra
open brook
Oof
lost agate
Who said frost hydras cant have wings
hallow hatch
hydras are like dragons. A new years dragon staff that shoots fireworks would work
zenith hazel
frost hydreigons
hollow idol
frost hydra isnt even a hydra so anything is free range
sand umbra
so there are
two big things that make Frost Hydra suck
void kelp
giant frost mechworm
cobalt rose
- sentry
- it sucks
hollow idol
speed
queen sail
I mean, Thomas
sand umbra
- its projectiles are far too slow and lack any way to reliably hit enemies even when they are in range
queen sail
It was pretty much the first sentry in the game
sand umbra
b) it isn't actually a hydra
cobalt rose
i mean, the staff itself is of the frost hydra
nothing really suggests the summon has to be a hydra
hallow hatch
give frost hydra a post prov upgrade and we done
wide flicker
Frost hydra upgrade with homing firework rockets that move at the speed of sound 
cobalt rose
oh right i forgot i was a fucking absolute bumbling idiot
lost agate
You know i probably should make my own mod for crazy ass ideas
queen sail
Lemme just
hallow hatch
make it into an actual hydra
lost agate
Nah
sand umbra
aw
hallow hatch
make an upgrade thats hydr
hallow hatch
what I want to see is a goddam MEG
void kelp
thomas and shucks fusion dance into crazy mod idea man
lost agate
Mine is being separate from calam
wide flicker
Make a fucking trebuchet that launches the frost hydra summon at Mach 7 :
hallow hatch
^^
wide flicker
Still would suck
zenith hazel
ok but what does all of this have to do with suggestions again
lost agate
Right
wide flicker
Yeah probably should get back on topic
zenith hazel
then make a suggestion, simple
queen sail
Unfortunately I can’t see a suggestion like that getting far
Unless, y’know
“Give Summoner content”
past cape
A sentry that aims at your cursor would be neat
zenith hazel
yoyo that does summon damage
queen sail
sand umbra
meme time
On today's episode of "summoner is a meme and always will be unless/until it is bootleg Pokemon imo":
Make an upgrade to the Staff of the Frost Hydra using Endothermic Energy.
<><><> ❔ <><><>
Summoner has extremely little variety with weapons and gear available in late-game and it really starts to show after the Devourer of Gods' defeat, what with only one summon weapon being between DoG and Yharon (and being a direct DoG drop, at that). Granting an alternative weapon choice for reaching such a major progression stage will help to ease the lack of options for summoner in late-game and thus make the class that little bit better for actually playing the game with.
(Also, every other Biome Chest weapon from vanilla has an upgrade at some point in the game. Might as well make it a full set.)
sand umbra
all of my suggestions are 100% serious any objections to me sugging a late-game Frost Hydra upgrade, speak now
for real though
hallow kraken
Ah yes, the old “why is there still no post-prov sentries”
foggy plover
cuz boss fast, sentry bad
lost agate
Is there a story with that im missing?
worthy fiber
It would work against the Post-DoG event enemies
lost agate
The <><> i mean
sand umbra
yes, and in the interest of not going into a meme discussion for 10 minutes I will explain it to you la--
god damnit
queen sail
lost agate
also who said sentries cant learn a new trick and like tp or have long af range
Tf is sdomg
tepid root
foggy plover
tbh lunar portal staff that fires across your entire world
sand umbra
I mean, contrary to semi-popular belief, you can teach an old dog new tricks
you just gotta put in the effort
foggy plover
cant miss or have to move then
lost agate
Oh...
lost agate
I can see sentries being like summons but with like 3 times more range
sand umbra
basically one of the final nails in the coffin for SI suggs
foggy plover
I joined a long time ago and I dont even remember <>
queen delta
Can we like not meme on past suggestions that still exist?
foggy plover
tbh I dont think there is a way to make post provi sentries useful without adding teleporting/excessive range
odd terrace
@radiant meadow ... how long has that channel been a thing
queen sail
Well I mean
worthy fiber
Big splash damage
lost agate
Anyway, long ass range with a sentry might make it worth while for yharon
queen sail
Yharon and DoG require constant movement
foggy plover
a sentry where you lead the boss on top of it might work
be really good, just for short bursts
queen sail
SCal is the exception because she cages you
lost agate
I dont think youre gonna move out of an area with yharon
sand umbra
okay but like hear me out
a sentry with homing projectiles
gusty geode
Lightning Aura-style ones or maybe ones that in turn summon regular minions of some kind
sand umbra
lost agate
Tornados you know
queen sail
That’s what Energy Staff does, Thomas
foggy plover
tbh the wand reminds me of a sentry
a big af one that does magic damage, but it resembles one
but honestly there is prolly a reason why no post provi sentry has been added besides summons being a pain
lost agate
But yeah when i mean long range in a sentry i do mean looooong range
sand umbra
l o n g e
lost agate
To the point putting the sentry in the middle of the tornados will make it reach most of the area
sand umbra
so, am I all clear for posting, or
queen sail
i mean go ahead
lost agate
You can post
sand umbra
foggy plover
No one seems to object besides it being a summon
sand umbra
fair enough
no objections, so sugg is now live
sand umbra
a sentry for DoG would almost certainly need something along the li--
oh my god I just got the greatest idea
sentry that performs a lightning chain attack on nearby enemies, crafted using Armored Shells and smth else
lost agate
That could work
foggy plover
Ive always thought something along the lines of a profaned upgrade to the 2 sentries from ml would work for DoG
are sentries any less of a pain to code compared to regular summons?
sand umbra
sentries could potentially be easier since you don't necessarily have to program shit for them to do while idle or while trying to yeet towards the player
(which is something a typical minion does have to have code for)
lost agate
Its not that hard once you learn how
But learning takes a while
The code for the buff is basically the same every time
sand umbra
summon code isn't really hard, per se, although it's certainly more complex than a typical projectile
lost agate
The item only need a spawn on cursor code
sand umbra
the hard part is figuring out what the summon/sentry should do
lost agate
Well lemme tell you a fun story thomas
sand umbra
though then again that's still about as hard as programming a normal projectile wep to do the same thing 
lost agate
I decided to piece together a summoner ai tutorial so we could get more summons going
swift wadi
Thomas I like your idea, and the use of <> is great, but I don't see a perfected and beautiful diagram to go along with it
lost agate
I would say its like 5 screens long
sand umbra
sorry, no diagram for this one :(
queen sail
lost agate
So yeah theres a lot to learn about summons
tepid root
🧊 🐉 >>>>>> 
sand umbra
the basic idea is incredibly simple to do
it's once you start getting into the actual fighting behavior of a summon that you might encounter some issues
lost agate
You have to learn how to make projectiles aim at smth
lost agate
Which is often done with the all reliable destination point minus origin point, then normalize then multiply
sand umbra
mhm, that's the one I always go with
lost agate
Or at least thats how i learned it
sand umbra
it's simple enough and it gets the job done for just about anything I normally need to do
I think the harder part comes with attempting to make a summon unique
because while there is absolutely room for plenty of creativity, the question mainly comes when you start considering the ability to raise multiple copies of the same summon
something I often have trouble with is where the line has to be drawn with giving unique abilities to summons which can be summoned many times at once
gusty geode
How about sentries that attack by summoning minions
These wouldn't go further than a set distance from the sentry, and depending on what the minions in question do maybe the minions per sentry could be tied to your minion count
Or alternatively, you could use a sentry slot to either summon a new sentry with the base amount of minions or make an existing sentry summon more minions
sand umbra
so Hive Pod
foggy plover
^ and dreadmine
gusty geode
Oof
swift wadi
Ceaseless void sentry that spawns and uses dark energy
sand umbra
gusty geode
Projectiles that shoot more projectiles
And are summoned by other projectiles
swift wadi
A sentry that spawns minions that shoot projectiles that, on-hit, spawn dive-bombing minions
tepid root
hollow shell
@hard crescent They are.
hard crescent
they dont seem to be
at the very least they dont seem to be affecting vampiric talisman regardless of crits
keen geyser
lifesteal cooldown
hard crescent
not that either
and (this isnt confirmation or anything) when i have stuff that buffs rogue specific crit chance, it doesnt appear i get more crits. But when I have stuff that buffs all crit chance, it does
that last one doesnt mean anything but worth noting
hollow shell
I'm pretty sure secondary projectiles are incapable of getting crits
hard crescent
they definetly can
sand umbra
all projectiles are equally able to get crits what
hollow shell
I noticed this earlier when I was using Ballistic Poison Bomb
Even when I was throwing constant stealth strikes (i.e. 100% crit chance because of the accessory that does that)
I was still seeing yellow numbers
hard crescent
my setup is mycoroot, at a distance that the luxor projectiles hit but not the main weapon
crits are certainly appearing
hollow shell
Are your attacks only dealing 1 or 2 damage?
All of them?
hard crescent
yeah
hollow shell
Then yeah, there will be no lifesteal.
The numbers are too low.
hard crescent
oh really
hollow shell
Yeah
hard crescent
whats a weapon thats fast but has enough damage to do so
hollow shell
Lemme document that on the wiki if it's not there already
hollow shell
Much less
keen geyser
i see
hard crescent
yeah still no with terror talons
there are some 30's in there, idk if thats below the cap
keen geyser
shouldn't be
sand umbra
this feels like information that. really should be noted on the item's tooltip itself
not just the wiki
hard crescent
vampiric talisman is just 1-4 hp per crit
hollow shell
Nope
keen geyser
nay
hard crescent
oh
hollow shell
It's 0.015x the damage you dealt.
And if that rounds to 0, it grants no lifesteal.
sorry
keen geyser
so 15%
hollow shell
no lifesteal
keen geyser
or 1.5%
hollow shell
1.5%
hard crescent
huh
keen geyser
im bad at math sorry
hard crescent
okay well thanks then
hollow shell
np
keen geyser
so the first time you'll get any results is at like 80 dmg?
hollow shell
around 67 damage is when it rounds down to 1
I don't know if C#/XML rounds up when doing integer conversions
sand umbra
who knows
but like. 67 damage or so would be the cap, then
that's a pretty fat number for one hit, relatively speaking
hollow shell
If it can round up, then the minimum damage is 34
but it looks like you've been hitting greater than 34 and got no lifesteal
hollow shell
aight
You can get rid of the sugg then
hollow shell
I'm sorry on the wiki's behalf for misinforming you
(technically the minimum damage is 68 actually cuz crits can't be odd numbers)
keen geyser
that's cursed information i don't like that
tepid root
^
hollow shell
lol
hollow shell
@ashen warren Gonna need more extensive reasoning than that
also, Drill Containment Unit exists
keen geyser
dcu is just a better oek
keen geyser
i think that's more of a you problem
hollow shell
You can use Demon Trophies after using them once?
tepid root
and yeah you can
hollow shell
Never tried.
tepid root
its wack byeah
worthy fiber
cavern exploration is like, ech
It's a fair reward for finding a single chest in a huge world
wooden wedge
@vague laurel pretty sure it does say that it doesn't stack
hard crescent
@hollow shell "Whenever a player is healed with a lifesteal effect, the cooldown variable is decreased by a certain amount that is typically proportional to damage". Is it decreased by the actual amount healed, or to the amount of damage dealt to have received the life?
oh wrong chat sorry
hollow shell
It's fine
I can answer quickly because I have no idea
It's worded vaguely because we didn't know the details and/or the details are really stupid
hard crescent
lol fair enough thanks
distant gyro
@raw mulch There might be a new summon weapon that damages yharon in an instant flash
but it's a few tiers below
raw mulch
that being?
distant gyro
[REDACTED]
raw mulch
thank you so much
distant gyro
it's post-polter
raw mulch
but does it really do enough damage?
zenith hazel
do I smell leaks
raw mulch
leeks*
low salmon
I smell a smelly smell... that something smells... smelly. 
raw mulch
who smelt it delt it
bitter topaz
what
frank stratus
raw mulch
Im asking for the gift of life
zenith hazel
which is...
bitter topaz
ok then
raw mulch
if your highest proficiency is melee then it can drop melee weapons?
Or similar to that
zenith hazel
but why
raw mulch
Cuz i can't kill it again and its getting annoying
distant gyro
ok but
raw mulch
And it didn't drop the kindle staff
zenith hazel
then you just have bad luck
raw mulch
Tell me something new
distant gyro
imo this idea of "if you deal the most damage with x class then the boss drop a weapon of x class" should be its own mod and not a calam feature
not everybody wants it
raw mulch
Im sorry if yharon is basically impossible for summoner and im trying to relieve the pain
zenith hazel
if you can't farm it, just cheat in kindle staff
yharon is not impossible, you just haven't tried hard enough clearly
raw mulch
Clearly its my fault if the mechworm decides not to focus on yharon while he teleorts
Or hes not fast enough to reach it before he teleports again
Its not even fair
zenith hazel
then use a different weapon?
raw mulch
Summoner weapon?
zenith hazel
calamari’s lament is a decent option for subphase 4
hell, use a different class weapon
zenith hazel
you have options, you just don’t know what to do.
raw mulch
Clearly
quick ice
To be fair, summoner has 8 options post moonlord (12 if you’re picky and count the stardust weapons)
distant gyro
spikecrag, energy, eaxe, lamp, phantom, squid, worm, sons, immat
quick ice
So it’s pretty rough when you’re current weapon doesn’t work, since the only part of Post-ML with 2+ summons is the sentinel phase with the Cosmilamp, Ethereal Dubjugator and the Calamaris lament
distant gyro
stardust weapons too meme
placid moth
let's buff stardust guardian
raw mulch
For an armor you use for 4 seconds?
placid moth
Uh, for an armor until I beat Prov.
placid moth
Actually Lunar Gear could potentially surpass everything else till God Slayer
Nebula
quick ice
Oh, sure it can. However, you’re given stronger options so the majority of people will upgrade their armor rather than stay with the lunar gear
placid moth
I meant, Nebula gave more offensive bonuses which was preferable to defensive bonuses the other stuff gives
Stardust has 2 extra slots, which might make a difference
iirc the Tarragon summon armor has some sweet spots too
lost agate
Yeah making stuff drop more often based on what you use in the fight isnt gonna happen
Too much issues would happen with it and its not really a lot of payoff
That is to say, actually adding a summon there isnt off the table
distant gyro
imagine darksun summon wep so people would stop complaining about their kindle staff grind
not too farfetched
placid moth
I mean, re-doing Yhar P1 for a certain weapon can be frustrating
lost agate
Darksun summon is a possibility
As a ranged summon so theres not 3 melee summons around yharon
Also two suggestions in a row wew
tired haven
Proficiency affecting weapon drops is... interesting
But will have to be a config disabled by default because otherwise regular players may get cucked a lot
lost agate
But again, its too much effort, possible issues, mod incompatibilites to really work
tired haven
(and at that point mildly redundant addition-- yea)
quick ice
Here's a quick suggestion idea that I had, thoughts?
Plague Enemy Drops: Considering that the Plague Enemies are all variants of vanilla jungle enemies, it doesn't make sense that they don't retain their drops. Listed Below are the drops from the plague enemies vanilla counterparts that I believe should be given to the plague enemies.
- Pestilent Slime: Murky Paste
- Plagueshell: Turtle Shell
- Viruling: Beetle Juice
lost agate
I mean
Theyre sick so ofc their materials arent the same
You cant leave a food out the fridge and expect it to be the same two days after (weird analogy but you get the idea)
Also arent plague enemies like robots anyway?
lost agate
Idk really but thats not the point
radiant pivot
lost agate
Yeah, but theyre infected so i dont see how they would drop the vanilla materials
quick ice
that's fair, I've scrapped the suggestion
distant gyro
tfw temple is eternally untouched apart from an easter egg
that ended up being removed but not
quick ice
it's an enemy, and while I don't think it needs to exist giving it some extra value as a threat and for some drops make it's existence more reasonable
I'm surprised Temple isn't touched more considering that it appears to have been Yharims fortress
tired haven
Maybe that's an exact reason why it isn't, given yharim himself is a fat TBA
quick ice
oh cool, so it may get some changes/additional content in a couple years?
distant gyro
pretty much 
crude bronze
Would asking to fix the recipe of the Silencing Sheath be a Suggestion or a bug report?
quick ice
what's the recipe right now?
radiant meadow
I fixed it
queen sail
Actually
radiant meadow
be patient
crude bronze
Ok
queen sail
That’d go in #bugs-read-pins
quick ice
of course it doesn't, but the Bride does have a drop which is why it's fine that shes a rare enemy whereas the Bohldhor doesn't, so giving it a drop or making it more threatening will make the Rarity of the Bohldhor more justified
quartz hare
lost agate
I mean yeah it being a source of lihzahrd bricks is ok
quick ice
I'd also liked to have added Solar-Tablet Fragments and Lihzahrd Power Cells to their drop pool, but the other 2 Temple enemies already drop those so it'd be redundant
void kelp
I mean, it wouldn’t be a bad idea
civic pond
adding actual drops would satiate me
quick ice
of course, but I try to keep my suggestions simple in the hopes that I can get a 2nd suggestion accepted and implemented in the game
queen sail
Normalize the Bohldohr.
Basically, revert the caps lock, give it the same drop pool as Lihzahrds and Flying Snakes, and make it more common (maybe even make it drop Lihzahrd Bricks so players have a renewable source of Lihzahrd Bricks).
Reason: Well, Syntax Error is gone so...what else is it gonna do?
quick ice
mind if I use that for my suggestion?
it's worded better and much clearer than my paragraph
queen sail
Sure
quick ice
awesome, thanks
lost agate
Making it a common enemy is ech imo
quick ice
it shouldn't be common but it's to rare atm
ashen warren
it as a common enemy would be quite the nuisance when trying to make your way to the golem room tbh 🤔
lost agate
That too
civic pond
it doesn't have any drops for being rarer ae
lost agate
And doesnt this suggestion cover that already outside of wanting it to be a common enemy?
quick ice
I'd rather it be more common but not a common enemy
lost agate
Thats ok
void kelp
Id honestly like it to have drops
civic pond
even dropping 2-3 gold would be alright 
lost agate
Then star the suggestion smh
void kelp
I forgot to until you told me 
distant gyro
oh gee
sinful violet
@strong minnow Don't joke around in suggestions. If that wasn't a joke, the answer's a solid no.
distant gyro
o hey I was going to ping someone about it
sinful violet
wait
distant gyro
distant gyro
probably
hollow shell
Was it a lorde
civic pond
yes
hollow shell
Not sure, then
civic pond
"bring back THE LORDE"
distant gyro
or I just read it as such
sand umbra
what's this about the L-word
hollow shell
Actually nevermind looking at his message history he deserves a warn
sinful violet
my brain's dead from overexhaustion and overheating so someone else can deal with that if it was
oh really
civic pond
hollow shell
It wasn't just an unawareness of the rules
sinful violet
i can do it then
hollow shell
He was trying to meme
sand umbra
o ok
strong minnow
Whats wrong with me suggesting something? I thiught it would be fun to have it in as a challenge or something to do after SCal
quick ice
The L-Word is banned from being suggested
hollow shell
which is explicitly disallowed in the Don'ts doc which is pinned.
quick ice
If you want a post S-Cal challenge, wait for Goozma/Xeroc in another 3-4 years
strong minnow
Oh fck
hollow shell
or download Calamity Dimensions I guess
quick ice
Dimensions isn’t going to be doing Post-S-Cal stuff for another year at the earliest iirc, were busy with the Alt provi stuff and finishing up Goozma/Plague Biome
sand umbra
(still a good mod to play through though, I recommend it)
(I've had it on my to-play-through-with list for a good while now)
quick ice
I still haven’t played through it yet and I moderate the server, as I’ve been waiting for Draedon to come out
hallow kraken
dumb icky sugg time: Make Staff of the Mechworm craftable with cosmilite and moon event materials.
Staff of the mechworm is the only summoner weapon after DoG until 1st phase yharon is defeated. This means that if a summoner doesn’t get the weapon, they have to fight DoG again with almost identical gear as the first time, only difference being a few accessories. Forcing to farm a boss for a weapon in that manner is essentially forcing to repeat the boss. This can be fixed by making it craftable in a similar fashion to other cosmilite weapons.
lost agate
How about we add post dog summons instead
queen sail
Frost Hydra upgrade using Endo Energy
void kelp
queen sail
I go
hallow kraken
You know what? That would be cool.
queen sail
:omw:
sand umbra
STAR MY SUGG
queen sail
Actually thomas
sand umbra
oh wait a minute it's already
queen sail
I don’t need to star your sugg
void kelp
wait, hold on, should like
sand umbra
these recent suggs of mine have just been flying up the charts 
void kelp
"making bosses drop weapons specific to class/damage" become a suggestion don't
hallow kraken
Alright, well I still think SotMW should be changed to a cosmilite weapon
sand umbra
this one reached 90+ in like 12-13 hours
the one before it (Levi/PBG dash fairness) has reached 160 and reached 90 incredibly fast
when did I become capable of making good suggs
hallow kraken
it’s because of the cool shiny color name
lost agate
its not even shiny
lost agate
White is basically the definition of shiny lmao
lost agate
I mean, you can suggest but i stillbelieve just adding a summon there is a better idea
sand umbra
(although I personally really like it)
hallow kraken
epic
sand umbra
literally just hope that my sugg about a Frost Hydra upgrade post-DoG gets in
that way summoners don't need Mechworm to progress at all
lost agate
Yeah but it would be a sentry so idk
distant gyro
smemtry
sand umbra
we just had a discussion on making said sentry hella good last night 
hallow kraken
hehe sentry
lost agate
Yeah it would be useful
civic pond
SENTRY?
lost agate
But idk if it would carry you alone
sand umbra
I mean, it'd at the very least provide a useful asset for re-fighting DoG for Mechworm
civic pond
im sure it would be absolutely better than nothing
lost agate
So also a craftable summon is not half bad
distant gyro
I doubt a frost hydra like summon is good for beating dog
hallow kraken
Yeah cause sentries are great against a fast worm boss with only two hitable segments
distant gyro
compare to something like spikechad
lost agate
Piercing hitscan wants a word with you
sand umbra
it's a Frost Hydra sentry with projectiles that don't take 5 years to travel though
civic pond
i mean if its so far in progression it doesn't have to be similar to the original frost hydra
its an upgrade for a reason
lost agate
I want it to fly even
civic pond
so actually have multiple heads?
distant gyro
barracuda gun
distant gyro
also cosmic rainbow, empyrean knives, and sotc
sand umbra
why did I think Barracuda Gun was post-Provi
lost agate
anywho, ever since i learned summon code im getting a hella lot of ideas
distant gyro
ok but
keen geyser
summoner overhaul soon 👀
sand umbra
what even is Cosmic Rainbow
civic pond
uh
distant gyro
If post-provi barracuda gun exists make it a pun with tarra from tarragon or bust
civic pond
i actually dont know
distant gyro
cosmic rainbow is a magic bow
civic pond
doesn't it shoot 3 rainbows or smth
grim tusk
I think the endgame bosses need changes, in rev Yharon killed me around 70 times, while Scal only 28
sand umbra
ah yes
lost agate
Imma tarra you a new one
civic pond
oh no
distant gyro
line of 3 curving rainbows and 2 additional ones from the top
civic pond
queen sail
So uhhhh
distant gyro
that is cbxin rainbow
queen sail
If this sugma becomes a thing does dog get a new summon wep
keen geyser
upgradable post provi energy staff
lost agate
are you talking to me or who?
civic pond
you
sand umbra
personally I think something like an energy portal or black hole could work nicely for a DoG summon
distant gyro
ok but sand sharknado staff will probably be rebranded to post-plantera
sand umbra
COUGH CEASELESS VOID SUMMON POST-DOG COUGH
distant gyro
because inconsistency meme
lost agate
Cosmilite summon that shoots cosmic fireballs iirc
queen sail
DoG drops a CV summon that succs your enemies in
Enemies that contact CV have their inv frames shredded
distant gyro
the bruh
lost agate
Ok but like
queen sail
I dunno i’m bad at game design
hallow kraken
Nightmare fuel summon that does spooky stuff
civic pond
notaworm™️
lost agate
Bosses dont get affected by succ
sand umbra
hallow kraken
Make CV suck bosses, but like, emotionally
civic pond
they already exist anyways
queen sail
Lunar Portal Staff upgrade that isn’t big 😔
lost agate
cough
queen sail
Mayhaps
civic pond
Mechworm being craftable is fine by me
sand umbra
fun fact: both of ML's summon drops need some sort of buff to be viable in Calamity's context
distant gyro
Lunar Portal is an enigma
queen sail
ML’s summon weps suck in general, really
sand umbra
also fun fact: of those, Rainbow Crystal Staff is the only one that was relevant in the base game to begin with
distant gyro
it's in the category of "buffed but never good enough"
queen sail
Both Stardust weps outclass them
lost agate
Cosmilite and darksun need a ranged summon change my mind
sand umbra
yes please
left crest
lunar portal is OK against frost/pump moons I guess? but RC is still far better
sand umbra
if it's only okay against seasonal moons there's something wrong
civic pond
ok actually
left crest
exactly
civic pond
alt was using spikecrag for providence
lost agate
I think the deal with portal staff is that the laser is too slow
distant gyro
spikecrag is the better option for providbb
sand umbra
civic pond
the fuckfest to end all fuckfests
sand umbra
discord please let me send messages
sand umbra
Lunar Portal laser speed buff when iirc
lost agate
Lasers are my nemesis iirc
queen sail
New LP buff makes the laser rotate at the speed of reti fuckspin
distant gyro
most but the one, the only ppsm
queen sail
Mage is the only that gets good ML drops tbh
distant gyro
ok lunar flare is decent
civic pond
i mean star wrath would be nice if it didn't fuck my fps
lunar flare exists
byeah its alright
hallow kraken
SDMG
sand umbra
LET ME SUGG THE DEATH OF LAST PRISM ALREADY
H
queen sail
Lunar Flare works, mostly
distant gyro
star wrath actually does more dps than ark of the elements for some reason
queen sail
Then Prismeme exists
queen delta
SDMG is decent tho
civic pond
Definitely
lost agate
Prism is already nerfed
sand umbra
I mean yeah
distant gyro
(Both were tested on provi)
sand umbra
and then Celebration exists
lost agate
No need to worry about it
civic pond
Celebration
Crystal staff
LP staff
sand umbra
too many deathlasers anyway
civic pond
they exist
sand umbra
civic pond
OH
hallow kraken
Celebration can beat prov
distant gyro
Celebration is buffed but never steps out of the shadow
sand umbra
Meowmere is the fattest meme
distant gyro
Meowmeme is eternally sinful
civic pond
launchers exist
sand umbra
can we just universally agree to move that to post-ML Party Girl
queen sail
Meowmere
civic pond
also uh
queen sail
More like
sand umbra
and make its cats use local i-frames
distant gyro
can we universally delete meowmeme
civic pond
back to sentry talk
sand umbra
that works too
queen sail
UwU check out my nyan cat meme UwU I’m cool right UwU
civic pond
queen sail
hallow kraken
meowmere is what a 9 year old cheats into his inventory to call himself “overpowered”
civic pond
s u re
sand umbra
then he gets fucked by the superior Star Wrath and ragequits
queen sail
“It’s got the highest damage of all the swords in the game so it’s the best”
lost agate
Anywho, maybe im gonna start my new mod to develop these summon ideas im getting
distant gyro
civic pond
im interested
queen sail
A tentacle-like summon that sticks to the player and fires things?
civic pond
uh
queen sail
Like a piranha plant
distant gyro
ok but isn't this a don't
queen delta
Also this is a suggestions don’t since it suggests to remove some of the non linearity
queen sail
@pine cove did you forget that this mod explicitly removes linearity
opal barn
yeet the suggestion time
queen sail
distant gyro
yeet time
sand umbra
it is
removing non-linearity in any capacity is a don't h
queen sail
You have been pinged
pine cove
It just doesnt make sense
queen sail
Your sugma will now die
pine cove
Who in this world would fight Cultist after king slime?
distant gyro
you will lose sugma
hallow kraken
Imagine not reading pins
sand umbra
nobody
opal barn
It's a hardmode item dude
queen sail
Nobody
sand umbra
because Eidolists don't spawn until Hardmode
queen sail
It’s hm locked
sand umbra
pine cove
Ok who after Wall of Flesh would fight them?
opal barn
Me in fact
sand umbra
a fair few people
queen sail
Speedrunners
sand umbra
including myself
hallow kraken
Speedrunners and people with arbalest
distant gyro
low% players
pine cove
CHALLENGE TIME; A dorito with a hammer VS a wall
sand umbra
LC dies incredibly quickly to a lot of earlier equipment
much faster than you may think
pine cove
with hacks to proove i prove a point and my stupid fucking dumb shitty as name is cringy
distant gyro
you can probably use a funny meowthrower to defeat normal mode cultist multiple times because normal mode cultist is normal mode cultist
sand umbra
normal mode Cultist dies in two seconds to on-tier gear
queen sail
How much hp does normal cultist have
sand umbra
about 36k
distant gyro
like 32k
queen sail
Why
distant gyro
it's lower than twins even
hallow kraken
terraria boss design
sand umbra
Terraria's boss design is flawless I tell you
civic pond
From what i remember cultist apparently takes less damage from homing projectiles..? I forgot where i heard this
sand umbra
yeah that's a vanilla thing
vanilla Cultist takes less damage from homing projectiles
civic pond
its barely noticeable
distant gyro
which means it lasts about 3 seconds more
sand umbra
which just so conveniently happens to be everything one is most likely to use against him
so it lasts about 5-6 seconds longer than the 5-6 seconds it'd normally take
civic pond
did they expect the size of the boss to actually make it harder to hit
sand umbra
civic pond
queen sail
Doesn’t atop anyone from spamming megashark with chloro bullets like they did with every other boss beforehand
okay, honestly, that’s just three bosses
gusty geode
They removed Syntax Error?
quick ice
yup
gusty geode
Huh
Also when can we get Eidolists spawning pre-hardmode
I would pay good money to see a playthrough where someone skips the entire vanilla game
hallow hatch
bruh
umbral mulch
Could just give them an orange glow or smth
Putting them on the map makes it a bit too easy
Most of the time you see where they're placed anyway because they home on you and you can just remember from there but w/e
lost agate
Map icons for tornados would be chaotic and laggy to say the least
queen sail
That reminds me
Why is DoG p2 the only version of dog that gets map icons for the entire thing
hallow kraken
Because he’s cool
umbral mulch
Yeah I always thought that was wierd
It feels like you're trying to shove down our throats a little too hard to turn on the overlay
And I don't think overlay should be a near requirement for a boss
Should give some help but it shouldn't be "Turn on overlay or die" type thing
tired haven
Minimap allows you to see the coils just fine?
That's certainly a weird and sudden argument made right there about overlay
quick ice
the minimap is tiny, I've never had an issue with it during a boss battle
umbral mulch
Fighting DoG without overlay is way harder than without
You don't know where you need to aim exactly
sand umbra
umbral mulch
With overlay click the head
quick ice
It's harder to fight the DoG without the overlay than without it
umbral mulch
Uhh
sand umbra
quick ice
yea you goofed my friend
lost agate
Hm
sand umbra
personally I find that the minimap for DoG gives me all the information I need
lost agate
I dont feel like this is gonna go anywhere
sand umbra
anywho map icons for Arena Infernadoes anyone?
quick ice
I'd like that
lost agate
Border infernados could happen, but tornados altogether 
sand umbra
definitely not all of them
quick ice
or we can just get a S-Cal type arena to trap you inside of instead
sand umbra
but I feel like Arena Infernadoes could absolutely use that visual aid
they have a fucking fat sine wave for movement and they're huge
lost agate
The top of the tornados is a risky spot yea
sand umbra
the top of them especially has this problem, ye
it gets worse the higher up you are
for the lower segments it isn't too too terribly bad but on the higher half or so it just becomes
really stupid really quickly.
lost agate
I mean thats how tornados actually function
sand umbra
oh I know
sand umbra
oh yeah
I forgot
Border Infernadoes also insta-kill you if they hit you
so that's a one-hit KO projectile that can swing into your face as you're trying to reposition because you just happen to be in the general area
queen sail
Border infernadoes are :peepodetective:
Sure they deter you from leaving and trap you in with yharon but, like
Wack movement + chonk + instakill
=
sand umbra
it's the perfect recipe for a disaster waiting to happen
queen sail
And sometimes I can’t tell the difference between a big fat infernado and the border infernado
lost agate
They do are rainbow tornados but
sand umbra
ehh
fervent citrus
I understand what he means by 'low resolution', i play on a laptop 
lost agate
A color in that rainbow is orange so lmao
queen sail
Like yeah the border ones change color but I ain’t gonna notice that when I got a chicken chasing my ass
tired haven
What I would like with infernadoes is that they stop expanding in width at about 50 blocks height
Nothing else really
For some reason I do like their instakill nature as it's something to pay attention at, and they don't actively seek you out. In fact, if they didn't instakill, enraged yharhar will, and with much higher salt infused
fervent citrus
Oh hey crabbar
queen sail
🦀 —
sand umbra
instakill nature would be more workable if the Infernadoes themselves weren't capable of covering over half a 1080p screen with their movement on the higher segments
(and you're much more often going to be grazing the higher half of these 'nadoes than laying low)
so two solutions would be to either
- add minimap icons to these 'nadoes in particular, or
b) make the Arena Infernadoes in particular, at least, have a much less fat sine wave for movement
tired haven
How would icons help with that btw?
fervent citrus
Sounds right
tired haven
Like, draw the whole line?
sand umbra
telling you where the hell the 'nadoes are
fervent citrus
More visibility..?
sand umbra
one issue is that --- because unlike SCal, Yharon's arena is more of a makeshift one with two columns of projectiles blocking the sides --- you cannot actually see where the "arena" starts or stops horizontally with the minimap
radiant meadow
give them cosecent movement
sand umbra
i mean if it's less yeeting and more fair then sure lmao
tired haven
Eeeh
I know the nadoes are to the left and right of me, that's what the icons will tell me
Won't help not bumping in them 
fervent citrus
Would it be a good suggestion if wulfrum shards were more useful later in the game?
Cause they are useless rn
(Kind of)
hallow kraken
“useless” sure
frail mantle
they're meant to be useful exclusively in early pre-boss iirc
fervent citrus
Well... i know that
But it would be nice if they had later uses
Or not?
Just an idea...
hallow kraken
See the problem with that is it would force people to kill pre-boss enemies with endgame gear and that’s as fun as blood moon farming for bloodflare armor
fervent citrus
But it happens by accident all the time so u already have the shards and who said the enemies have to be the same
Perhaps at some points of the game one group of wulfrum enemies will stop spawning and new ones will
lost agate
Doesnt wulfrum enemies stop spawning after WoF anyway?
fervent citrus
No...
would be nice if they did
Hey i got an idea for a suggestion
No more wulfrum enemies after pre-HM
hallow kraken
Who’s this “wulfrum” guy anyways
Or actually, why is tungsten relevant to the lore
at teary N. musical
fervent citrus
Good suggestion?
terse sundial
That's how it used to work
fervent citrus
Really?
hallow kraken
Honestly nah
fervent citrus
Why is it a bad idea? Seems fine
terse sundial
but now since the Crystalline requires Wulfrum Knives, you are now blocking the player from crafting it in Hardmode
hallow kraken
Even if they aren’t useful it would still be pointless to remove their spawns
terse sundial
not every player is going to stock up on them in pre-hardmode
terse sundial
It's just easier to keep them spawning originally
fervent citrus
K then
terse sundial
doesn't require a new enemy
hallow kraken
Just because it slightly irritates you doesn’t mean it should be completely removed at a point
quick ice
you could just make Wulfrum craftable with Tungsten/Silver in hardmode, problem solved
cyan lagoon
fervent citrus
Im not saying its meant to be exactly like that, as i said, newer enemies, but if that aint a good idea either then ok
quick ice
that wouldn't make sense considering Wulfrum is meant to be, you know, super weak
hallow kraken
Here’s a revolutionary option: just keep their spawns
fervent citrus
K, imma ditch that suggestion
Is one allowed to demonstrate hew sprites for items?
lost agate
This is
fervent citrus
Might be wrong of cours- oh
lost agate
This is just
fervent citrus
?
cobalt rose
does this count as a specific item suggestion
lost agate
fervent citrus
lost agate
Idek what defiled even refers to here
frank stratus
what.
cobalt rose
i havent seen a sprite like that since calamity 1.0
radiant meadow
@obtuse kestrel I recommend you add a reasoning to your suggestion and not add an uncropped image like that. It really doesn't help at all.
Moreover, specific items can't be suggested.
I'm just going to delete the suggestion for now.
gusty geode
Specific item aside, it ain't a terrible sprite
Props for making it
fervent citrus
btw i sprited smth too
fervent citrus
Was that a meme?
prime rain
thats not a meme tho
radiant meadow
yes it was
cobalt rose
wait what was it
opal barn
it's not a meme because I don't think it's a meme, therefor it wasn't a meme 😎
lost agate
(what was it, i missed it)
cobalt rose
make yharon drop deal with it glasses after scal is defeated
lost agate
Ah