sugma pins
#suggestions-discussion
void kelp
karmic stone
ruby cobalt
short for suggestion because like half of them sugma balls
hollow shell
so I'm just gonna
delete Skoores' outright
Even though it reached 90, tis against rules and also he's rude
void kelp
it never got the ❕ removed
void kelp
should suggestions that have the ❕ for like, 24/36/48 hours after posting without any edits be deleted?
hollow shell
Remnant ❕ s are always a weird grey area
(hah)
radiant meadow
Rover said no last time that was asked
terse sundial
that's not really the purpose of it
byeah, it's pretty awkward to see a suggestion with 90+ stars and still have 
ruby cobalt
the purpose of it is "this sugma is unreviewed and may potentially contain dumb shit that breaks the no-no's"
void kelp
tbh I see it kinda relevant when the sugma sort of. stays w breaking the rules and with no attempt to change it since it feels like it should’ve been deleted
radiant meadow
Rover takes it a little different iirc
hollow shell
It's not often that a rulebreaking suggestion lasts that long
radiant meadow
because sometimes I remove it because I think it's fine
and then Rover just reacts with his own ❕
hollow shell
Usually they do when it's really teetering on the line, or something from out of left field, or it's just low quality or has some aspects mods/me would like to see changed (but sometimes it's like several days later and it gets real awkward)
(were you the one who removed the ❕ from Skoores' suggestions about Nightmare Fuel / Endothermic Energy new event)
radiant meadow
I don't remember
hollow shell
Chaotic Ore is pretty fiery and explosiony
potent veldt
I guess, but that implies that Chaotic Ore (a very far later in the game ore) has the same concepts and power as Hellfire Arrows
Which, it doesn't
hollow shell
Hm.
potent veldt
Unless you're saying Chaotic Ore and Hellstone are close in consistency, which I might believe
hollow shell
Could be a tier thing as well
By the point you're in the Abyss you're also in Hell
Bone arrows are significantly weaker than Hellfire
potent veldt
Yeah but you can also get to the Abyss far easier than you can get to Hell
Unless you cheese with some random TelePotions or something
It could also be generally better to buff the amount of Bone Arrows you would get
So instead of the regular 10-20 it could be something like 30-50
So while it's weaker, it's a more reliable source for some quick ammunition
hollow shell
... actually no joke Unholy Arrows would be better than Bone
potent veldt
I initially thought Unholy Arrows, but that'd imply Abyss Pots have something to do with the Corruption
Which makes even less sense
hollow shell
At some point it becomes less about thematics and more about what would actually be useful
"gee, bone? 1 damage higher than wooden? thaanks"
potent veldt
I am mainly looking at it from more of a thematical standpoint, I'll admit
But it also is kind of weird that two separate areas of the game give the same arrows
hollow shell
Bester idea:
Replace them with new Depth Arrows that deal 11 damage and inflict Crush Depth 
hollow shell
You could, as long as you don't give them a name or exact stats (like I just did)
potent veldt
Better?
hollow shell
That looks like a name to me 👀
hollow shell
yeah I know, that's the point
... see it's
it's not supposed to have a name
the "or something" gets you in the clear a lil bit, but I would prefer if it was kept more general than that
potent veldt
There ya go
zealous ridge
hmm, interesting suggestion yata
perhaps alongside that npcs could get more powerful attacks as well, sort of tying in with the hardmode attacks of certain npcs? it would certainly help them defend each other
i probably wouldnt add that to the suggestion, but food for thought
hollow shell
The Guide gets his hands on Luminite Arrows 
zealous ridge
oooh
hollow shell
That would be useful, yes
Even if they have a ton of health, doesn't help much when they barely scratch their assailants
zealous ridge
like im imagining that permafrost hones his ice magic the futher you progress through the game, or amidas slowly begins to learn to use water magic
stuff like that would be cool to see, like how your npcs become stronger as you do
doing it to vanilla npcs though, might be more difficult because that potentially means untangling some spagettii
regardless, i like the suggestion yata
might have to adjust nurse's heal values too, because THAT is definitely an annoying thing to have happen (constantly having your npcs restore a tiny sliver of health one after the other)
hollow shell
Yeah..
I mean it'd be fine in between combat considering she'll have nothing to do but restore everyone
but mid-combat she'd lose a lot of effectiveness
zealous ridge
its a minor thing, but nurse npc healing being buffed would be helpful
lost agate
how do you buff smth that heals you fully
zealous ridge
no i mean the syringes
that she throws to heal npcs
iirc they only heal a portion of npc health
like i said, a tiny thing lmao
lost agate
Oh ok
zealous ridge
its just that if all the npcs have such high hp values it would take years for to nurse to heal them at all
potent veldt
Machine Gun Armsdealer when
cobalt rose
arms dealer equips the shredder
civic pond
scaling npc's sounds h o t
potent veldt
Stylist actually cuts enemies hair
zealous ridge
potent veldt
Thereby debuffing them through embarrassment
Almost tempted to suggest that DoG not be able to hurt NPC's
Mainly because he strays so far sometimes in the fight that he just randomly hits them sometimes
And it'd make sense, since DoG could easily tap them and deal 0 damage while saying "This isn't worthy of my bite" or something
terse rain
Please don’t give him dialogue when he hits npcs
That would flood the chat instantly
Maybe give it a cooldown?
potent veldt
His text stuff should have a cooldown already anyway lol
Tbh him not hitting npc's should be implemented after they fix his mini-Ted talks
terse rain
Mini-ted talks lol
potent veldt
Also, ngl, Id much rather him diss the npc's 60 times a second than have him delete all of them instantly in one swipe
terse rain
Well shit so would I
deep yarrow
Maybe have NPCs get increasing defense after killing milestone bosses?
Milestone bosses being those that make the world harder like WoF, Provi, and dog
keen geyser
moonlord
swift wadi
Inb4 someone posts one of the many pictures of DoG killing their entire village
In all seriousness I would love to see this change, I basically end up just cheating my npc's back in late game because if I need one item or reforge I have to get lucky with who respawns and wait forever
keen geyser
@earnest flame that's a don't on the pins
tropic yoke
Yo why isn't there astral mud?
tropic yoke
wot
earnest flame
oh
hollow shell
Yeah the lore items are supposed to take up inventory space
an inconvenience as a trade-off for the effects they grant
tropic yoke
Lmao just get extensible inventory.
Wait, what does mud get converted to when it is overtaken by the astral infection?
Dirt?
tropic yoke
...
hollow shell
Yeah it looks like it doesn't even check for mud when generating
tropic yoke
Wack..
hollow shell
so if you're meteor lands in the Jungle, your Jungle is not completely obliterated
keen geyser
Would it be fine to suggest more uses for copper/tin
zealous ridge
hard to say suggesting astral mud would bring upon new enemies
also, what were you thinking, voidborn?
just more uses?
keen geyser
just like maybe a mid-late hardmode use for copper
perhaps a set of armour that builds out of copper armour or something like that
just something that would make copper/tin actually worth getting in some scenarios
zealous ridge
i mean, it's not too out of the question considering other pre-hm bars have use for later items
iron/lead bars for instance are needed in the p90, and gold/platinum in the sandslasher
keen geyser
im sure there are other people that find it grueling to have to trash copper whenever they get it
umbral mulch
Let us make actuators and wire out of copper and a few other things
Now it has a use
keen geyser
even that would probably spike its use
a lot
I'm gonna throw the suggestion out there
see how it does
umbral mulch
And also lets us get philostone before even killing any bosses 
zealous ridge
hmm
well, my current rebuttal to this copper getting more use thing is that... does it really need more use? i mean, do any of the prehm bars need any use outside of their respective tiers, besides a few exceptions? does copper even need to have exceptions or is it content just for the sake of content?
keen geyser
it's just that it literally has no use outside of coin of deceit
you get the copper tools for free
the armor is worse than cactus
and nobody in their right mind makes a copper watch over a gold/platinum one
teal ibex
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pardon me just. putting that there
carry on
keen geyser
no problem
More uses for copper and tin
This has probably been suggested half a dozen times already, but I think I can speak for most of the Terraria playerbase when I say that it is so annoying to have copper or tin filling up an inventory slot since it has no practical use for anything except for the Coin of Deceit for rogue.
I suggest maybe making copper armour build into some sort of mid-late game armour set, perhaps make it build into some sort of early game summoner accessory. Just make it not absolutely useless for every class other than rogue.
does this seem good?
zealous ridge
i mean there is decoration, although that's something of a moot point granted the utility of the other bars
keen geyser
you can place the bars, and you can make a copper chandelier
that's all the decoration
zealous ridge
candelabra, copper and tin plating, i dont remember if there are bricks, but there are still some decoration uses
keen geyser
foggy plover
bruh silver and platinum are just as useless
keen geyser
nope
foggy plover
and theyre rare
keen geyser
platinum at least makes crowns to summon king slime
the platinum pick is a decent pick powerspike too
if you find a lot of platinum
zealous ridge
okay, gold has more use than copper
but does copper need to have more use?
is the gap too wide, from your perspective?
queen sail
Honestly
keen geyser
idk i just feel like copper should have some use
queen sail
Astral Infection spawning in the Jungle is impossible
keen geyser
for all/most classes and not just rogue
keen geyser
not the second one
p sure
anyhow I'm gonna throw the sug out and see how others react
zealous ridge
fair enough
keen geyser
appreciate the feedback though
umbral mulch
I do feel like it needs a use
Since atm it's an ore you see and then immediately trash
umbral mulch
Could just flat remove it
keen geyser
nobody would realize if it was removed from the game tbh
keen geyser
see what
umbral mulch
Exactly
keen geyser
.')
wary flume
It has its uses, alot of mods do build off of it, example the late game gear for Thorium, enchantments from Fargo's.
keen geyser
that isn't calamity
ashen warren
@teal ibex what did pinging me there mean
karmic stone
How it's used on other mods has no relevance to this sugg directed to Calamity
keen geyser
to show you your thing was sent to devs
teal ibex
it is your suggestion
ashen warren
ok
hollow shell
The devs didn't approve nor deny of your suggestion
teal ibex
if you'd like me to not ping you in the future, feel free to let me know and i'll exclude the pings
ashen warren
no im fine
teal ibex
alright cool 
amber escarp
@keen geyser if you want uses to old ores, download fargo's soul and mutant mods, tho it's not much, you'll have to get some. Also, copper or tin no, but silver and plat are used in magic storage. Also, i don't really feel like you need a use to such low level ores.
keen geyser
that's not calamity, again
if other mods have a use for it, cool
vanilla doesn't and neither does calamity
when copper can be used to make an accessory for only rogue, i think that's kinda dumb
karmic stone
i don't really feel like you need a use to such low level ores.
So just leave them catching dust, yes
amber escarp
The thing is, calamity is a standalone mod, but it can't add everything. That's why there's other mods, and something like this is not at all needed when you have another mods that fill that gap.
umbral mulch
Let's just ignore iron is still used for the rest of the game in random recipes
karmic stone
Also the argument of "[X] mod already does that" only works with certain suggs
This isn't one of those suggs
amber escarp
Idk, i don't see any need in that, but you do you.
potent veldt
Odd thought
What if you could convert a single copper/tin ore directly into like
10 copper coins
keen geyser
that'd still not really be worth it tbh
potent veldt
Maybe higher then
keen geyser
considering that copper is 50 copper per ore
hollow shell
Convert it into money
aka selling 
umbral mulch
Should be able to make platinum and gold coins out of platinum and gold Kapp
karmic stone
Now that you pointed this out, I realized that Gold Bars sell for 12 Silver
gusty geode
Yeah, early pre-hardmode ores don't see much use
But you know what else doesn't?
Early Hardmode ores
The pre-hardmode ones get use in special furniture like chandeliers, a line of magic weapons, copper and tin get 2 kinds of bricks for some reason, and everything iron and lead make
Hardmode ores?
The exact same tool/armor set, an anvil upgrade and a furnace upgrade and last I checked orachilum gets a full furniture set for some reason
gusty geode
Unless it's been changed gonna confirm on the wiki to be sure
Orachilum ore crafts into Bubblegum blocks
Which then craft into a furniture set
ashen warren
Orichalcum*
queen sail
I’m not sure that counts since it’s not a legitimate orichalcum furniture set
gusty geode
Turns out I'm wrong anyway 
But that just further proves my point
Hardmode ores get even less use than pre-hardmode ones
And then chlorphyte didn't even get a brick until 1.3 fun fact btw, it apparently purifies grass blocks and converts dirt to mud
hollow shell
Are you fuckin with me
gusty geode
Apparently not
Taken straight from the wiki
hollow shell
Ah, the ore, not the brick
Still, something I never knew
Or if I knew it at one point I forgot
gusty geode
I guess
There's a helpful tip for anyone who wants to avoid their jungle getting eaten
ashen warren
remember back in the past chloro pickaxe couldnt even mine chloro ore
queen sail
200 IQ balancing
cobalt rose
wasnt that only on mobile
potent veldt
Both mobile and ||still|| 3DS for some reason
versed mica
lost agate
Good god
Imagine having to farm titanium for furniture
And no fishing wont save you cuz that mainly drops bars
cobalt rose
only wooden crates drop ores iirc
keen geyser
copper doesn]t have a brick tho
cobalt rose
yes it does.
keen geyser
?
cobalt rose
cobalt rose
every metal brick uses ore
cobalt rose
i mean, i only use them to spice up npc houses 
karmic stone
Make SCal's epiphany not loop so soon
For the sake of climax, by the time you're in that part of the track SCal has most likely depleted all her bullet hells and struggling to kill you, so the ability to time the 1% with epiphany's very final drum would be nice
Thing
umbral mulch
Some people have builds that do a lot of damage
Some people have builds that don't do a lot of damage
Music ends at different times for both of them
Also depends on how fast you can kill spelucher for the second time
Basically impossible to sync up the music
potent veldt
It'd be cool to be able to loop music perfectly like that, but yeah, it's simply not possible to perfectly time any boss fight to it's music
The only cases I can imagine where that isn't the case is if the boss fight is literally tuned to act with the music
Which, now that I think about it, actually would be a really interesting boss fight 
But yeah, that ain't happenin with scal
zenith hazel
~~have you tried entering sulphuric water yourself? ~~
potent veldt
I agree with this
"Spreading" meaning it came from someone else with the illness, or was from something else where it'd be considered an "illness"
It was in water when you got it.
void kelp
poison isnt a pathogen
potent veldt
If you drink rat poison, did the rat poison spread?
It's also not really even an illness lol, it's the Sulphuric Sea
brittle merlin
yes but you do have to remember that it became the sulphuric sea because many bodies were dumped into it
cloud surge
What I'm saying is it's not a disease
brittle merlin
correct @void kelp
brittle merlin
not according to the lore iirc
potent veldt
Then the sea is named wrong
void kelp
according to lore, the waters are so severely polluted
brittle merlin
by dead bodies, correct?
cloud surge
And pollution
void kelp
yeah, but death isn't a disease, noah
potent veldt
Then the "Sulphuric Sea" is a misnomer.
terse rain
what is the debuff called again
brittle merlin
yes but decaying bodies typically are riddled with pestilence
cloud surge
Suplhuric poisoning
terse rain
exactly
void kelp
change the phrasing to smth like "the water makes you sick" rather than "the water's illness is spreading to you"
decaying bodies transfer their own diseases, but the toxicity in the waters would not come necessarily from the bodies alone, but rather because the water is unclean
cloud surge
If there is disease from the bodies, there wouldn't be just one disease, so saying "The illness" is wrong
void kelp
and these people didn't die from a plague
which is why "illness" makes no damn sense, consistency speaking
potent veldt
The "Sulphurous" in "Sulphurous Sea" is derived directly from the word "Sulfurous".
"Sulfurous" means "containing or derived from sulfur.
Sulfur is toxic. It's not alive, so it's not an illness. It's an acid.
cloud surge
Also the debuff is called Sulphuric poisoning
void kelp
i'd add smth to your sugma saying something like "there isn't an illness being spread by the water, because you're being hurt because the water is toxic"
potent veldt
The way the Sulphurous Sea actively kills you is absolutely correct. It would essentially slowly burn off your skin.
The way it says it kills you is absolutely incorrect.
cloud surge
They wouldn't call an ocean that isn't sulphuric the Sulphuric sea because it has just any disease
void kelp
dark we're not disagreeing with you btw
cloud surge
Ight I'll add that
lost agate
the sulfurous sea is also polluted af but eh
potent veldt
If it's polluted, then the debuff is named wrong.
void kelp
but pollution alone isnt a pathogen
jovial spire
Did you have a lore argument without me
lost agate
It can cause rhem
potent veldt
It's either the acid burning your skin off, or the pollution killing you from disease.
void kelp
but saying that the water spreads illness would be inaccurate
potent veldt
There's no in between.
lost agate
Dive in black waters, see if you dont get ill
potent veldt
That's not the point
void kelp
saying it spreads illness is inconsistent with what is said about the water, shucks
hollow shell
It'd be a much more fitting tooltip for the Astral Infection debuff
potent veldt
^^^
lost agate
Yes ik
hollow shell
which is currently
"Your flesh is melting off"
void kelp
in the sense that plague and astral infection are directly called diseases too
hollow shell
honestly you could switch them
void kelp
just. swap it
potent veldt
Yeah lol
jovial spire
Wait did those get swapped accidently or
cloud surge
Maybe a mistake was made
hollow shell
nah, could'nt've been
potent veldt
Nah, Sulphuric has always been like that
hollow shell
It's because Astral Infection is based on GSI
which has the tooltip "Your flesh is burning off"
potent veldt
I guess just nobody thought about it
jovial spire
Ok, so new suggestion, swap the AI and Mint Sea debuff descriptions
potent veldt
Eh
tepid root
potent veldt
That could be too specific
And it's also too large a leap to say the Astral Infection wouldn't melt your skin off
There are diseases that do just that, after all
jovial spire
AI wouldnt melt your skin though probally
potent veldt
Who says it wouldn't?
void kelp
it could when it tries to replace your skin with scales or turns your epithelial layers inside out
jovial spire
I suppose
potent veldt
The AI debuff is mostly fine at least, it can stay the way it is
The Sea's debuff is all wonked out, that needs to change
potent veldt
Either make it pollution-based or sulphuric-based
The tooltip fits the pollution aspect but the name fits the sulphuric aspect
cloud surge
potent veldt
"Ouch, my bones"
sand umbra
very vaguely relevant: why is the Calcium Potion buff tooltip not a bone-type pun
potent veldt
Because the shape of the potion is a thicc bone
cloud surge
I'm angry now
void kelp
i'd recommend stepping away to calm down!
tired haven
would it be "skeleton when haves milk"?
void kelp
nothing good can come from being angry
potent veldt
angery
void kelp
its bone no-hurty juice!
potent veldt
Bone healing juice
tired haven
It's still bone hurting juice, it just insults them a lot, so bones become literally too angry to break
potent veldt
They become determined
I kind of want the Calcium potion buff's tooltip to be something spooky
"Your skeleton is ready."
cloud surge
I like that one
sand umbra
"your bones are ready"
jovial spire
It makes it so your legs won't have a bad time when you land
cloud surge
My body is ready
potent veldt
Why is it Calcium juicePotion that makes you immune to fall damage?
Is the implication literally that it just makes your bones so strong that gravity can't break them?
But everything else can?
sand umbra
better question: how come it doesn't reduce KB/give slight damage resist
potent veldt
^^^
sand umbra
(maybe make it just greatly increased fall damage resist to compensate)
lost agate
Too much calcium actually crystalizes your bones
sand umbra
wait a minute
potent veldt
Make it a meme and make Calcium Potion just petrify you
sand umbra
drinking multiple Calcium Potions in quick succession actually causes you to end up losing fall damage immunity if you have it, along with taking more of it
void kelp
too much calcium causes your kidneys to start turning to stone
potent veldt
Can we make that a slight easter egg
That drinking one Calcium Potion is fine, but if you drink another while the buff is still active, you just petrify and die
karmic stone
Liver isn't enough
We need more organ failure
sand umbra
tired haven
Guess the reason why bones do not make you more resisted to damage is that enemy attacks will still blow off the flesh/gore just as easily and decapitating isn't a thing in Terraria anyway
Deep lore™️
potent veldt
But it'd still blow the skin off your feet when you land after a great fall
tired haven
Bold of you to assume terrarian isn't one with the boots
sand umbra
so like 
tired haven
potent veldt
In fact, I actually think the entire rest of your body would collapse upon landing, just leaving an invincible skeleton standing amongst the gore
ashen warren
the terrarian never takes off his boots
tired haven
Shhh
This is all horse shoe argument rn
ashen warren
except for the few seconds upgrading it
hollow shell
(I would love to see someone stick a landing after a huge fall
and all their meat rockets into the floor leaving a skeleton with its arms folded and sunglasses on)
(... that'd be a nice visual.)
tired haven
... never realised I would love to see that
potent veldt
It'd probably have to be after an insanely long drop
As to make the Potion still useful
Also, probably would need to change the tooltip to something like "Makes you immune to fall damage. Don't fall too far though."
tired haven
Given that terrarian's fall speed caps out at 51 mph, no, it wouldn't be a long fall
And at that speed the meat rocketing thing might not work anyway, albeit would feel mildly uncomfortable
(but then again, we talk about a dude who can outright regen being swiped by literal deathray in about a minute with nothing but campfire)
But oh well. Probably that whole convo needs to be moved to generic chat instead of suggestions
hollow shell
m
cloud surge
Give the Stellar Culex, Sightseer, and Astral Probe enemies post-Aureus drops
All astral enemies besides the Stellar Culex, Sightseer, and Astral Probe have post-Aureus drops. I don't see why these ones don't either (except for astral probe, I don't know what coube be pulled from that)
hollow shell
Heh
At least be consistent
Don't leave it to a future suggester to ask for Probe to get a drop too, considering it'd be the one and only one left behind
cloud surge
I don't think astral probe is unique enough to get its own item, but ok
Is there any problems with that edit?
hollow shell
pf
If you insist on degrading probe so much then yeah sure I guess that edit is fine
Hang on
You forgot about Fusion Feeder
We
quick ice
Just as a quick QoL suggestion, Astral Slime should drop Stardust
It’s the only Astral Enemy that doesn’t
tranquil vale
keen geyser
fair
swift wadi
Make it drop Aureus cells post AA so I don't have to keep killing him
frail mantle
wrong channel?
inland briar
ah your right, that i was on mod talk
cloud surge
Fusion Feeder added to the list
hollow shell
👍
echo horizon
oh
hollow shell
#bugs-read-pins is the channel
potent veldt
||I guess he won't be deleting it||
hollow shell
(I will)
potent veldt
He didnt even go to bugs, lol
hollow shell
Yeah idk what happened
fervent citrus
Maybe he suddenly got distracted by smth lol
lost agate
I thought you could dodge rav pillars by just flying up or away
karmic stone
You can
And I've seen a worrying amount of people fly straight up as fast as possible just when the pillars are falling down 
lost agate
Flying straight up as fast as possible is often a death sentence
Like very often
What you wanna do is tap repeatedly so you still go up relatively fast but not get momentum throwing you up, also lets you have time to react to projectiles above you
Also rav is like hella nerfed in comparison to what it was before
Dont know if another nerf would be good for it
karmic stone
No imo, atleast for me whenever I get hit and get half of my hp snapped out of existence, it becomes easy to recover once you get the mentality of "Ok I actually gotta dodge this time"
lost agate
To me rav is basically like a war tank that wont harm you as often as say, duke and its constant close ups
Rav itself wont really keep up with your speed and some of the stuff is easily dodged as fly up or keep running, where duke consistently demands for quick decisions
Sure, bubbles do jack shit if you keep shooting, but duke itself is a huge threat
Anywho, kinda offtopic
potent veldt
Yeah, Rav is fine where he is, imo
Its worth mentioning as well that I wouldnt honestly say that Rav should even be super fair, since he's technically optional and is meant to circumvent a handful of grinding
frail mantle
the only way i could see Rav needing a nerf is reworking Weak Petrification so it doesn't completely fuck over people with Defiled on tbh
but then again, i suppose that very few people play defiled anyways so /shrug
tepid root
sand umbra
a better prompt would be to take Glacial State off the Destroyer's blue lasers or rework it somewhat so that getting hit by one doesn't leave you wide fucking open for combos but that's another story entirely
personally I think Ravager is...mostly fine?
radiant meadow
it uses ice golem lasers
and the blue lasers deal less damage than the green and red lasers
gusty geode
Would be a nice touch if the Destroyer's lights changed color as it switched phases
frail mantle
Suggested before iirc
night cradle
suggested, and not really possible without breaking the compability with Calamity Texture pack
scenic aspen
That Goliath suggestion is kinda true
I've seen Goliath dash instantly after using the Abomination taking a lot of dmg because bad spawn
nova trellis
that's exactly why i suggested it lol
i mean it isn't too much of an issue since 1 hit doesn't take out too much damage but for people going for nohits it could become a huge problem
nova trellis
hm, it might just be a me problem then
at least another person has experienced it lmao, i have that going for me
tired haven
Yeah, not trying to discard that
Sounds peculiar but totally expected in terraria realities
lost agate
No that can definitely happen
modern eagle
I feel that hitting the Piggy enemy with a boulder should result in an instant kill.
queen sail
Why
hallow kraken
bumblebird pet is a frequently suggested thing according to Don’ts
And there’s a calamity extension mod called Calamity’s Vanities or something that does that
karmic stone
P sure there's only a birb hat in that mod, closest thing to birb pet is nugget pet
Byhea vanities is it's own thing
Queue in Austrophage
hallow kraken
I don’t think adding pet drops would really benefit the mod in any way
Should I also mention that Fox, Son of Yharon, and DoG doll are all dedicated items
And therefore have a reason to exist
karmic stone
Calamity encourages progression breaking afaik
potent veldt
It does
fast monolith
Oh
potent veldt
But getting to the temple in Calamity while breaking progression is crafting the Temple Key pre-plantera
Meaning, you opened that front door legitimately
There's absolutely no situation in both vanilla and Calamity where you should be present in the Temple without the front door being unlocked. Unless you did some cheesy stuff that might as well be cheating.
Like hoiking or something
frail mantle
problem: you usually have to go a few blocks into the temple to unlock the door
potent veldt
Yeah, but the programming for what the "official temple" is still there
Since the temple also actively disables RoD-ing into it
Or just make it so if you're present in the temple while not on the first floor
Since the first floor never has the Altar to summon Golem, and always has the door
karmic stone
I haven't tried this, but how you describe it makes me think this would have already been revised by testers before the update and buffed
lost agate
That sounds unnecesary
potent veldt
I agree with the Totality Breakers buff just because the entire "upgrade" is basically just 2 more projectiles, and a wider area of effect
potent veldt
I added that lower half for a reason
frail mantle
at that point it'd just stop people from entering the temple pre-HM
lost agate
And unnecessary given theres so many safety already
potent veldt
That doesn't change the fact, though?
lost agate
Why would you go to temple pre hm?
potent veldt
For any of it's loot
It gives extremely easy potions and healing
And is lowkey easily circumvented by anything the mechanic sells
lost agate
Well gg you somehow got inside
Enjoy it
Deciding what counts as lower temple also is complex btw
potent veldt
It's, not really
Upon temple generation, save where the middle of the temple was upon generation
If present within it's walls while below that middle, activate guardian
lost agate
Its not that simple
potent veldt
What other step would be needed?
The only time the gen screws up the walls and places them outside the door is at the top
terse sundial
@quartz cargo could you provide boss kill times or dps tests on bosses to help prove your point?
potent veldt
And the check for when you are inside the temple and if the door hasn't been unlocked could use the same check that goes for if you're in the dungeon while below 0 depth
terse sundial
it helps out us testers that balance the mod
lost agate
The door yes
potent veldt
Then, just make it a var that's saved for that world
quartz cargo
@terse sundial do you want me to record a video?
terse sundial
No, just fight various on-tier bosses in revengeance mode without using rage and adrenaline and record the kill time
radiant meadow
you can record a video if you want
lost agate
Either way, that sounds like an absurd amount of work for just...
potent veldt
absurd
lost agate
"No we dont want you to get an useless power cell and some potions"
potent veldt
It's adding 2 variables that just check if you're in the lower temple
frail mantle
i checked the wiki and the only loot that'd be useful for a pre-HM player would be some Lesser Healing Potions and other potions that there are already easier ways to get pre-HM
lost agate
sigh
potent veldt
It's still the main issue of Golem himself, being a fight you could potentially skip to preboss
Granted, yes, no idiot should be doing that
lost agate
Yes its only adding 2 variables
frail mantle
golem already can't be summoned pre-Plant iirc
lost agate
Btw altar doesnt even work pre plant
potent veldt
I thought it did?
chilly grail
It used to
potent veldt
Ah, didn't know they changed it
frail mantle
actually Old Power Cells exist, so he can actually be fought pre-Plant
swift wadi
There's not much gained from the temple and it's not worth the work to add in that, it's a sandbox game and no real sequence breaking comes from breaking into the temple, no weapons or pickaxes, nothing
lost agate
You should have checked before suggesting
potent veldt
Apologies, then.
hallow kraken
Well then, so a while ago I introduced a suggestion here but never mustered the courage to post it to suggestions, but now I feel as if I can suggest it
That suggestion is removing floodtide’s recipe and making it fishing exclusive
lost agate
@hallow kraken why
potent veldt
Also, yeah, that feels strangely specific
hallow kraken
Floodtide has a very unique obtaining method, but is overshadowed by the easily crafted recipe
swift wadi
Why would ya do that
potent veldt
I agree it is odd that it's obtainable both ways, but it also would be strange to just make it fishing
lost agate
How is golem fightable pre boss
swift wadi
You can kill cultist like, after a few bosses iirc
potent veldt
Requiring you to craft summoning for Golem, pre-plantera?
potent veldt
That feels kinda arbitrary
Not that you can do that
But that the altar is hardcapped, despite the ability to skip that progression
lost agate
Because thats vanilla locking
potent veldt
Oh, that was a vanilla thing?
lost agate
We just added a recipe in case you wanna skip
potent veldt
I didnt even know Vanilla did that
quartz cargo
@terse sundial on what boss can i test it, its hard to find an appropriate one without dying
and without buff
potent veldt
Just, the earliest one you can obtain it at
Or the most reasonable one you'd obtain it at
frail mantle
probably Plant or one of the Mechs
quartz cargo
well the upgrae is post calamitas but i cant even beat a mechanical boss with it
thats my point its weak as fuck
is it fine if i test both on cryogen?
terse sundial
I would test plant
frail mantle
Totality Breakers are post-Mech
potent veldt
Also, @lilac nimbus I agree with that, but that's also accounting for the fact that the three bosses before it are as simple as "walk in one direction"
So I don't really know if it can be considered that big a deal
terse sundial
I'm not even sure if we balanced the totality breakers now that i think about it
I'll do some testing also
potent veldt
It doesn't feel like it, definitely not on paper
They do the same damage as the weapons directly before it, and arguably have a less impressive effect
quartz cargo
ill test it on cryogen, its the only one i can kill with both without buffs
potent veldt
Totality Breakers
swift wadi
Alright, I'll gear up a character and try plant with no buffs and no rippers
terse sundial
both weps are also used slightly differently iirc
radiant meadow
Brav tested totality breakers on aureus and levi iirc
swift wadi
Give me a sec to gear a rogue, I'll probably need to use class setups lmao
quartz cargo
this is why i want to test it on cryogen
terse sundial
desecrated water is dependent on platforms
swift wadi
Been a while
quartz cargo
its pretty neutral
potent veldt
Well if we're testing both, then I don't even think it matters what boss
Just test both on the same boss, and compare the runs
terse sundial
it does matter what boss because of progression
both should be tested on the same boss
radiant meadow
watch it be like Amidias' Trident shredding mechs but doing decent for Slime God and WoF
terse sundial
god I hope not
distant gyro
potent veldt
Also, Vart, what
Why Cryogen
You can't get either before him
Unless you somehow consider the mechs to be pre-Cryo
swift wadi
I've gotta use pre-plant armor, sad for a rogue lol
distant gyro
Post-Cryo/Mech weapon hits a special spot in that it literally has to be tested against 5 bosses to make sure it's not broken on a particular individual
potent veldt
Oomph
distant gyro
Umbraphile btw
swift wadi
Oh god I really am outdated in the brain
hallow kraken
Yeah, bad drops. Like a permanent rage upgrade, a gun with good crowd control that can be useable until skeletron, a good close ranged rogue weapon and a scythe train one, a magic weapon that can be used without aiming with decent damage, and mycelial claws.
potent veldt
I personally love Crab's drops
distant gyro
also funny clump thing
hallow kraken
Oh right, don’t get me started about fungal clump
keen geyser
clumpy is stronk for summoner
quartz cargo
all menacing, except 2 of them
hallow kraken
Also, the mushroom rain attack from crab exists
quartz cargo
lost agate
Isnt mycoroot and hyphae rod like, really good?
potent veldt
super dummy
quartz cargo
with the totality breakers
potent veldt
Also, yeah, Spaghet, from personal experience, mycoroot is rediculous
potent veldt
Fair
quartz cargo
even tho its easier to play with
quartz cargo
because its so weak that i cant do any other boss with no buffs with both of them
and also because i havent done plantera on my world yet
and i dont want to create a "sandbox" one
lost agate
Reminds me how does totality breaker works
potent veldt
Didn't you beat a mech to get the weapon tho?
lost agate
Its possible it takes advantage of the size of the boss to do dmg
potent veldt
Totality Breakers are affected by gravity, and once they hit the ground, split into two
Those two, then split midair into two fire projectiles each
(If I recall right)
swift wadi
Alright, well without pots I think only Accs and armor matters, only thing in my inv is Cryo lore and Healing pots
potent veldt
Each separate projectile can only hit an individual enemy once
terse sundial
the totality breakers benefit most from targets that aren't immune to on fire
which makes it good for farming the hardmode dungeon
potent veldt
But then that makes it somewhat niche in usefulness
terse sundial
not every weapon needs to be great for everything
swift wadi
Might switch to warding if I think I should but this is fine yes? It's what I would actually do vs Plant
potent veldt
Especially compared to Desecrated, which explodes into a wide area of bubbles
swift wadi
terse sundial
regardless, I believe it could still use a minor buff
radiant meadow
post in test reference iirc
swift wadi
I still wanna see if it's any good for plant or if he's right
terse sundial
I will once I finish my tests
swift wadi
What does?
radiant meadow
[[Totality Breakers]]
red stormBOT
potent veldt
?
swift wadi
The water does some pretty good dps to plantera, way above totality
Killed her in 1:26 on rev
Totality Breakers got her in 2:49
Could be player error but 🤔
terse sundial
we will probably nerf the desecrated water
not sure if a buff to the totality breakers is necessary still
swift wadi
Good idea, it did pretty insane dps
Hope I helped by doing that at all lol
It was at the very least, good plantera practice
green pumice
sand umbra
calling it now, this is gonna turn into the new "buff KS"
hallow kraken
I like how this guy denies the existence of shroom rains, which I think are pretty challenging and fun
I feel like this guy’s description of crab’s fight is inaccurate to the actual fight
terse rain
I like crabulon
void kelp
yeah and the shroom rain makes the fight a good early challenge
hallow kraken
crabulon’s a relatively early boss, he’s not supposed to be super challenging burn-in-hell simulator feat. mushroom thing
sand umbra
like for God's sake can we just kill these early game boss buff suggs please
civic pond
early bosses are honestly fine the way they are dont at me
sand umbra
this is how things like the shitfest that is Slime God happen
(on a mostly unrelated note, I want to sugg perhaps changing the Slime God fight to make the Core more relevant at some point and overall making the fight a bit more fitting with its placement in progression but ehhhhh, people probably don't wanna hear rambling from this ol' salt shaker for the thousand and Nth time 
)
but like. most of the early-game bosses are perfectly fine being easy as they are
they're just that. early game bosses
I really don't understand how this is a foreign concept to people
Crabulon is sufficiently difficult to handle for the point you fight him already and he does not need a buff
rapid pivot
and really; do you really need to make EoW easier
the archetypal easy worm boss
if you're using the right weapons, you can literally stand still and kill it as it charges at you
zealous ridge
well i mean
the ultimate statement of the suggestion was not just to simply buff the boss, the suggestion was asking for a rework
if im honest, crabulon doesn't need as much attention as some other pre-hm bosses (mostly talking about perfs)
sand umbra
see I know the wording wasn't specifically about buffing but that's not the point here
the point is that it isn't needed 
there are other pre-Hardmode bosses that actually need such treatment much more than Crabulon does
zealous ridge
what are your examples?
quick ice
Crabulon is also an optional boss
there's very little content gated behind Crabulon besides its drops, so it's like Duke in that regard
sand umbra
I mentioned Slime God just up above as one
Slime God is anomalously difficult for the point you fight it and the drops you get...are not necessarily worth the pain the fight can induce
you're dealing with two King-sized Biome Mimics that split in half for a partial heal and ability boost at half health...and a little ball that dies before you can even consciously focus it
quick ice
Lionfish tho
sand umbra
the Core feels entirely irrelevant to the fight at large because it dies considerably faster than the big slimes and doesn't do all that much unless it is on its own
the Slimes on the other hand feel entirely too imposing, almost making it feel like trying to fight a Hardmode opponent without even having the equipment to do so
shoutout to Lionfish which makes it so you don't even have to consciously focus Core
it just dies anyway
zealous ridge
huh. we seem to disagree on that front, i find SG to be hard but not "anomalously difficult"
but i dont disagree that he is due for some changes
sand umbra
might be a bit of an exaggeration
zealous ridge
i do like the idea of making the core more formidable
sand umbra
it's to prove a point, though --- SG, to me, feels harder than it probably should be for a pre-Hardmode boss
and it feels like the focus of the fight is put on the wrong things
if this is the entity that is the control unit of every slime in coherent existence, how does it make sense for it to die before its two guardians that it made can
zealous ridge
part of the problem there is that the core and slimes aren't synced very well AI-wise, so perhaps an effort to unite their movements or attacks would do the fight some justice
sand umbra
that too
quick ice
I mean, the guardians are there to protect it so it doesn't have to fight
sand umbra
and this is an issue that persists with multiple Clam bosses at varying tiers
(as a later example, the Calamitas Clone comes to mind)
zealous ridge
less an issue with calamity specifically and more an issue with encounters with more than 1 main boss in them
the way i see it
sand umbra
well yeah
I won't deny its a typical issue with multiple-target bosses
but Calamity has several bosses of this type which is why it can end up being much easier to point out
Calamitas Clone, Siren & Levi, the Profaned Guardians (to a point), Bumblebirb
zealous ridge
what i would love to see is the core initiating most of the "magical" spacing attacks while the slimes are sort of close combat fighters
they could compliment each other in interesting ways, such as the core dashing above the player and raining down mines while the slimes go in for a super jump, stuff like that
sand umbra
(Bumblebirb is a special case because the main boss is one entity, but it spawns half a dozen other miniboss-grade entities with no drops that can do anything the main boss can and lack that sync)
the Slime God in particular has the issue because the big slimes are given too much of the focus in the fight while the Core is just left to hang around and sometimes block potential hits
and I really do think the solution here is honestly as simple as making the King Slimes a bit less stronke and giving the Core some new moves
making the Core more of a focus within the fight itself
I have ideas for this, although they'd never make it in a sugg given how specific they are
zealous ridge
well its fun to think about
cobalt rose
i think the core should at least be able to shoot some kind of projectile
zealous ridge
well he techinically does but yknow he does that only when both slimes are dead
sand umbra
and at that point you've basically already won the fight
the Core...isn't exactly a threat by itself, even though everything we know about it indicates that it should be
cobalt rose
i mean, the distorted debuff means that if you get hit by it once, you're very likely to get hit again, even if it wont be by the core.
rapid pivot
make the core invincible until both are dead?
cobalt rose
didn't it use to be the case that the core was invulnerable until both the slimes are dead?
zealous ridge
yep
and it's hard to say if that would be a solution
the entire point of changing it to current was to offer more interesting paths to fight the boss (finish off the core early or focusing the slimes)
but now the problem arises that the core is too easily destroyed and doesn't pose an interesting threat anymore
so yeah, giving him more attacks might remedy that
im just not very sure that the devs would be 100% willing to change the boss through what is basically a soft rework
well in any case
yeah, there are some pre-hm bosses that need more attention than others balance/fun wise
quick ice
I'd say buff Scourge/make it more interesting but I hear devs don't like that idea
zealous ridge
but i don't think it's necessarily fair to dismiss a boss change suggestion on the merit that it's not required bc the boss is "balanced"
it discourages meaningful discussion about a particular boss on the basis of a system that doesn't really measure enjoyment, but rather focuses on an even difficulty curve
and thus, it discourages certain bosses getting attention that they could otherwise use to make them more fun
plus, boss balance is... a lot more subjective than people make it out to be
that may be a controversial statement, but it is a trend i see
void kelp
tbh its hard to balance the earlier bosses because a lot of them are easy but that's also considering when you fight them
gusty geode
On Expert and Normal DS is actually just a ridiculously big worm that spawns smaller worms
Doesn't have any means of attacking besides contact damage
That's not ok
sand umbra
sounds like another boss who only gets that power in Rev+ and who is also very early in the game
void kelp
thats why you play rev ig
void kelp
seems like a clear solution to me, ngl: stop playing on expert and play on revengance because calamity is trying to get you to play on rev
sand umbra
haha yes
let's completely discourage the play of these two modes that actually work with everything else
sand umbra
in favor of these two modes that have sometimes-cool, sometimes-arbitrary, and sometimes-headache-inducing new modes that don't work with anything else and throw everything you think you understand about the game's boss fights out the window whilst completely failing to actually buff anything else in the game sufficiently to match
I can understand not doing everything but true to the nature of the old Rev+ boss changes, many of the enemy changes are just immunity to stunlock, dealing some extra damage or a cool-on-paper-but-completely-unfair-in-context debuff (Glacial State was a mistake), or...being bigger
that last one is Mothrons
also earlier phase transitions for a select few normal enemies that have two phases, and Ice Golems moving and shooting faster as they lose health
gusty geode
Maso-mode is how you do a harder-than-Expert difficulty imo
zealous ridge
well i mean this is an entirely different discussion now
sand umbra
'tis my fault, I apologize
I'm trying not to go on these ramblings nearly as much but like
the "stop playing on expert" thing honestly just aggravated me
because it's far from the first time I've seen it or something like it as a mentality and it doesn't solve the underlying issue
anywho, where were we
zealous ridge
i think BOS brought up that point not to be told that playing on anything lower than rev is bad, that's an opinion anyways
he brought it up to prove the point that some bosses need balance attention
and not just power curve balance, but fun balance too
gusty geode
Ye
sand umbra
I would love to see Rev and Death potentially take a few pages from Maso's book
void kelp
tbh i can get down w that
sand umbra
because Maso has a ton of really interesting shit that it does
gusty geode
^
sand umbra
and Rev could absolutely benefit from those sorts of changes
sand umbra
perhaps not quite to the same degree, of course
but definitely in that sort of alley
some enemies gaining new tricks to account for the heightened difficulty bar
zealous ridge
i mean, i wouldn't be entirely opposed to it
if rev became the new expert for enemies that got the short end of the new attacks stick, that would be very nice to see
itd just be a long time to program, i imagine
lost agate
Maso like adds a crap ton of debuffs to a lot of stuff
sand umbra
well of course
lost agate
I mean, yes maso does some cool stuff, but theres othert things i dont entirely agree with
gusty geode
I think some of its ideas like blocking damage of a certain type are genius
void kelp
normal enemy buffs would be neat
unique willow
is good
gusty geode
Is it legal to post that
small talon
sigh
unique willow
i dont no lel
tepid root
this clown put this in every fucking channel
small talon
i dont think advertising is aloud here
gusty geode
Holy shit madman posted it in #suggestions-voting
lost agate
@zenith hazel
unique willow
so goodbye
small talon
its in almost every channel
gusty geode
Aaand he leaves
terse sundial
god
unique willow
what
swift wadi
Jesus
sand umbra
...anywho, some random idea stuff
Cloud Elementals in Expert+ throw bolts of lightning at the player (think Luxor's ranged, not Cultist lightning) and in Rev+ summon two larger tornadoes instead of three smaller ones
Paladin thrown hammers act more like the Paladin's Hammer weapon does, in Rev+ they throw these hammers much further if the player is trying to hide rather than not throwing at all
Scorn Eaters in Rev+ can breathe fire (either constant flame or a fireball) at nearby players between jumps
after Yharon's first phase is downed, Rev+ Mothrons leave a group of darksun energy bolts when using their dash attack; these fire at the player after a second or two
zealous ridge
those are some shweet ideas
i like em
it's hard to say if anything regarding new enemy attacks would get in, though, because i'm not completely sure of dev's current priorities
if i could guess, those would be getting the draedon content done and or finishing the rogue class up while peppering in content for lacking classes
zenith hazel
fuck I missed it
swift wadi
RIP mod points
zealous ridge
sand umbra
I mean, I intentionally noted ideas that would be very simple to set up in theory, as a lot of the groundwork for these things already exists in the game
I could've gotten a lot more hammy with some of those ideas 
but like. the point is that it doesn't need to be anything super complex, the changes themselves can be very simple
the important part is how those things change fighting the given entity
zealous ridge
yeah yeah i see what you mean
its kind of a matter of if the devs feel the same way about enemy balance, though
is what i mean
hearty ermine
imagine making an overworld arena for crabulon
lost agate
If you want a good example of what enemy has this kind of risk im talking about
wind flicker
I mean yeah Crabulon is easy if you make an entire biome for it
lost agate
Paladin/pirate captain
zealous ridge
that's what i was thinking, yeah
lost agate
The moment one pops up, you focus on it or you die
Like you literally have to focus on them so they stop shooting
I think my point is
Normal enemies should be kept only difficult when in combination with other enemies, minibosses should be the only ones that should have things complex enough to require focus in a single one of them
sand umbra
I can see that, yeah
lost agate
So basically if youre getting overwhelmed by enemies you can focus fire on a certain enemy to get a escape route
sand umbra
ye
lost agate
Tbh solar pillar does it well
It just that some enemy types spawn so often you never get an escape route 
Side effect of it being a pillar
sand umbra
byeah
teal ibex
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i know you're a mod so pinging might feel like a false positive yata, just let me know if you want me to avoid pinging you for future suggestions
queen delta
eh its fine
teal ibex
okie, just wanted to make sure
queen sail
I offered my thoughts on more significant enemy Rev+ changes
Considering that they get a treatment on par with stat boosts™
(or does fit here, who knows)
quick ice
Rev+ Enemy stat buffs when?
queen sail
Though the change I sugma’d for Rev moths was pretty much a bootleg maso moth
Also iirc the point of maso debuffs was the idea of sacrifice
Gain immunity to debuffs, lose an accessory slot; keep an accessory slot, face the debuffs
Yada yada yada
lost agate
What i didnt really agree with maso was stuff like skelly
The bones are good anti circling that still leaves a slim possibility to not get hit if you go below it, but the regening hands can lead to a long af fight and god, the dg phase
The dg phase in fine in maso cuz its intended to be a mode thats just hard af
But i dont think anyone would want a dg phase in rev
queen sail
Mm
Speaking of skeletron
Can I suggest that his spectre blasts get changed to shadowflame skulls
gusty geode
I'm just gonna list out what I think Rev can learn from Maso
Auras/Reverse Auras force the player to pay attention, and to either stay well out of the way of certain enemies (Meteor Heads) or focus the enemy generating the Aura (Rune Wizards)
lost agate
Shadowflame skulls wouldnt be that bad
gusty geode
The debuffs like Berserked and the anti-class debuffs encourage being prepared and having multiple kinds of weapons on-hand
lost agate
As long as they only implies changing the visuals
gusty geode
And some of the new spawns limit where the player can go early on
queen sail
Ehhhh
lost agate
Would forcing multiclassing really be a good idea tho?
queen sail
I feel like giving maso auras would just make people call out that we’re ripping off maso
lost agate
Yeah thats like terry's signature thing
queen sail
Especially after they called us out for CV’s succ aura
Oh hey it’s the guy i haven’t seen in two years
lost agate
Wait they called us out for CV?
queen sail
Well, some did
sleek wadi
Calamity explicitly discourages multi-classing when they did Summoner dirty by forcing them to eat a damage debuff if they dared tried using other weapons.
queen sail
Mostly in fargocord
lost agate
Lmao thats not an aura
lost agate
Dude
sleek wadi
So having multi-class be discouraged here yet encouraged somewhere else would be wack.
lost agate
Maso didnt trademark dust circles
queen sail
I told you not to ask me
lost agate
Im not asking tho
queen sail
similar shit like a tomato and a tomahto
||||
Anyways let’s get back to enemy changes
Or smth
lost agate
Well ripperinos, i made wind blade spawn a dust circle on kill, time to get called out
queen sail
If anything, new attacks would probably be more in style
and honestly we don’t really have any
sleek wadi
Or just altering current ones, for example making the possessed line of enemies faster
lost agate
Some of these sound like they would be kinda overwhelming
swift wadi
Can Mothra even shoot webs
queen sail
Yes
queen sail
Well in the caterpillar form