suggestions-discussion

[umbral mulch]

Games themselves sure if they're delayed 3 fucking years

But mods are already free for the most part

[hollow shell]

Good mentality

[umbral mulch]

And calamity is basically an entirely different game from terraria

[hollow shell]

Rogue updates really pushed us, we're technically behind schedule and all our programmers are burnt out as fuck

[umbral mulch]

I would imagine a few years of working with redigit's spaghetti code would make any man lose his fucking will to live

[vocal grotto]

Redcode isn't an issue here

[umbral mulch]

It was a joke

[hollow shell]

Sometimes Redcode is the issue

just not as much for these

[vocal grotto]

Sure, but it's a phrase that's sometimes thrown around without understanding what it really means. And sure, sometimes it is, but not really when it comes to just weapons 99% of the time

I'd say stuff like Roxcalibur and Gael were exceptions

[lost agate]

DepthLayer not doing shit is indeed redcode tho

[vocal grotto]

I agree with this

I'd say Gael and Roxcalibur were issues with redcode tho.

[lost agate]

Personally

Rox wasnt

The biggest issue was just that weapons cant collide with tiles

[vocal grotto]

Yeah, that's what I'm referring to mainly. Meanwhile the reflection on Gael just didn't want to work at first because of animation stuff.

[lost agate]

Items not colliding with tiles wasnt redcode tho

Its just maybe something that was never considered neccesary

Cuz why would you want your weapon to be blocked by blocks

The biggest struggle with rox was probably just managing to pull everything together, all the cooldowns, all the interactions, all the limitations you had to gave it so it worked

(which btw i still have to adjust because theres a bug)

[queen sail]

Is rox actually that

Yknow

Eugh to work with

[hollow shell]

The slam's entirely custom-made afaik
Took a lotta effort to do

[queen sail]

Is creating custom code and making it work with redcode the hardest thing to do?

[vocal grotto]

For the most part, ye

[lost agate]

Im probably the only that knows how to modify rox without breaking

Since im the one that made it

The primary attack is just normal sword with projectiles

But the alt fire is basically a sword that works as mount

[queen sail]

How’d you get it to bounce

[lost agate]

A projectile

On the very tip of the sword

If that hits a tile, you bounce and it makes the attack animation end

If you hit an enemy tho

It goes the other way, the actual sword hits and the projectile dissapears, also ending the attack animation

But making everything coordinated and making sure the projectile didnt move out of place was quite the deal

[hallow kraken]

As for Gael was it the attack cycles

[lost agate]

Iirc dom said it was the projectile reflection

[vocal grotto]

Attack cycles were weird too iirc

But not as bad as reflection, ye

[lost agate]

Anywho, uh, what was the topic here?

[vocal grotto]

Draedon and its delay

[lost agate]

Oh yeah

[hallow kraken]

Rogue update > devs being burned out > redcode > hard to code stuff

[lost agate]

Rox i made a while ago

But yeah i came from a break like 2 weeks ago

It was mostly because i had been testing for weeks and then i just got sick of terraria altogether

And now im having problems figuring out why cant a knife trigger the stealth strike effects of moonstone crown

Good times

Also yes we have a pre scal rogue weapon planned

I know how to english i swear

[queen sail]

You sure about that

[lost agate]

Its spreading

[queen sail]

[lost agate]

Protect your children

In fact that variety will serve it well so i can slap a nerf into celestus

Because holy shit that weapon carries you

Also the deus spawn method is a placeholder pretty much

[rapid pivot]

Here's an idea for a suggestion.

Remove the MOAB's bonus jumps, and just roll them into additional flight time/vertical velocity. Alternatively, add a way to turn the jumps off.

❔ Ironically, even though these jumps technically add air time, they also get in the way of the main upward boost; the wings effect kicking in. This makes them awkward, as you effectively must triple-jump before actual flight (and far more rapid upward momentum as a result) kicks in.

Thoughts?

[zealous ridge]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[ashen warren]

What

[hollow shell]

Isn't MOAB, like

really good actually?

[lost agate]

It is

[ashen warren]

Jumping is the whole point of MOAB

[zealous ridge]

i dont like that because it removes what makes the bundle of balloons interesting to use in the first place.

[lost agate]

Vertical king basically

[rapid pivot]

Ye, but the fastest vertical movement bit comes in at the end.

[lost agate]

And yeah that just makes moab yet another pair of wings

[rapid pivot]

And if you need to go up really fast..

[hollow shell]

Just don't use MOAB

if you want that

[ashen warren]

use drews wings

[lost agate]

Removing the jumps would just make moab boring imo

[zealous ridge]

imo that's the tradeoff, sure it has great vertical speed but at the same time you have to burn the jumps to get that

[rapid pivot]

fair enough

[zealous ridge]

can't just be the vertical king all the time

[ashen warren]

The jumps are good for dodging

[lost agate]

I just spam the initial jumps like a motherfucker lmao

[rapid pivot]

Oh, uh, also; maybe a way to roll the Counter Scarf into Statis's Ninja Belt?

[zealous ridge]

ehh

statis is already good as is

[lost agate]

That would make it rev exclusive

[rapid pivot]

nah, like; an upgrade for it

[zealous ridge]

and it would unnessecarily roll it into rev terrirory, yeah

well

[rapid pivot]

craft Statis with Counter Scarf, get a new thing

[zealous ridge]

an upgrade to statis is already in the game, belt of curses

[rapid pivot]

because isn't it kinda odd how you use this one item, the Counter Scarf, from EoC til the end of the game?

Yeah, but that makes it into a weird rogue/summoner accessory.

[ashen warren]

u dont use it till the end of the game

u change to asgards valor

[rapid pivot]

not really

[zealous ridge]

yeah i upgrade to asgards and statis as soon as i get it

your experience may be different, but that's what i do

[rapid pivot]

in my experience; the counter scarf's damage dodge is something I use til SupCal

[lost agate]

Who uses scarf after like WoF

[ashen warren]

^

[lost agate]

The dash lenght is small af

[ashen warren]

scarf is worse than soc

[lost agate]

You just dodge projectiles but thats about it

[zealous ridge]

plus the dodge is unreliable at best

[rapid pivot]

eh, might just be me being weird; I like having the Scarf's damage dodge as a panic button

[lost agate]

In that case you dont need to generalize

[rapid pivot]

ye, legit thought that's what everyone else did

[lost agate]

Anywho

[zealous ridge]

nah ever since the counter scarf got it's dash nerfed

but yeah

[lost agate]

I wouldnt really mind a sidegrade to belt of curses

[rapid pivot]

ye, like, tbh; I don't get Belt of Curses

[lost agate]

Problem would be balancing something so dodge heavy

[rapid pivot]

like

I enjoy the idea of more Shadowflame things..

but the Belt doesn't have a Shadowflame effect on Rogue weapons, if I remember right

[lost agate]

The debuff is kind of irrelevant by then tbh

[zealous ridge]

lowkey though temporal sadness on rogue weapons

or is that also obsolete

[rapid pivot]

does it?

[zealous ridge]

i dont remember

it doesnt do that yet

[rapid pivot]

no, that's for minions

[lost agate]

Yeah shadowflame is like 20 dps iirc

When bosses reach millions of hp

Also dont remember what temporal sadness does

[rapid pivot]

... hm..

-15 def, speed cut in half

[zealous ridge]

eh

it's a slight dps boost i guess

[hollow shell]

I'm using Scarf right now and I'm pre-Plant...

[zealous ridge]

me too rover

me too

[lost agate]

Preferences i suppose

Which is ok

[hollow shell]

I'll remove it once I upgrade Ankh to Valor but for now
it's my only dash

Aside from fuckin
Cryo lore

[zealous ridge]

[hollow shell]

or SoC but like

bunp

[lost agate]

SoC is only good that later on in some specific cases

Like duke

Cryo lore i have never used so cant tell

[hollow shell]

I used it for a full playthrough cuz I wanted to dash but I also didn't wanna mess up my vanity

It's... ok
for quick movement

not so much for anything else

As it should be

[lost agate]

Is it just a flat dash?

Like no on hit effects or anything?

[hollow shell]

It has on-hit effects. Glacial State.
Just doesn't go too far and not much damage

[ashen warren]

it has like same range as scarf

[lost agate]

Oh i see

I mean i can see why you wouldnt like it

[hollow shell]

Actually yeah I take that back, it's a decent distance

slightly better than scarf

but, still
pales compared to later game alternatives

[lost agate]

Which makes it compensate for no loss of acc slot i suppose

[frail mantle]

tbh i like SoC just because bonking is both fun and can occasionally be a life saver with bosses that dash towards you

[lost agate]

Except when it isnt a life saver

God forbid whoever uses SoC on something like skelly to intentionally bonk on him

[frail mantle]

yea Skelefuck is the anti-SoC boss

[ashen warren]

skelp or skel

[lost agate]

Also the god of stunlock before stunlock immunity

"So i heard you want the KB immunity from inside this dungeon, hoh boy youre gonna want it even more"

[sand umbra]

player: "I see you are approaching"
Skeletron: "I can't combo the fuck out of you without getting closer"

[lost agate]

[sand umbra]

featuring like 5 consecutive hits from headspinning because fuck you I guess

[hallow kraken]

skele-tons of boink combo deaths

[sand umbra]

indeed

[wary flume]

@tawny wind iirc someone already suggested that

[karmic stone]

☑️

[hollow shell]

That is indeed

what the blue checkmark indicates.

[teal ibex]

this person is such a unique suggestor

https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/657237723467218945 👍 @queen sail
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/658759304563785768 ❔ @gritty flower

[queen sail]

[hollow shell]

Prolly could use some notation for a neutral response

[teal ibex]

normally the presence of other emotes would indicate it but yeah, i guess

[hollow shell]

➖ or summin'

[teal ibex]

though it'd be weird to shove one in since there's no precedent marking in #suggestions-voting itself

[hollow shell]

yeah I dunno

Could just say it outright

"Neither approved nor denied"
"Neutral response"

[teal ibex]

part of me wants to just put a normal ✅ but i might start posting sent suggestions as well. not really sure if that's worth posting, let alone pinging, over

❔ 0️⃣ for neutral and no vote respectively?

actually no

💬 is perfect for no vote LOL

[hollow shell]

Perhaps

🤷 is also an option

[teal ibex]

🔇 could also work for no vote

[hollow shell]

Nah cuz that's called "mute"
which could imply "yeah no buddy your suggestion sucked so hard you're gettin muted now"

[teal ibex]

i mean

is that wrong

👀

i'll do question and speech bubble for now

we can be more particular about it later and it might be worth adding stuff to the #suggestions-voting lexicon

[wild yoke]

To be fair, throughout the game, it now feels like rogue is overfocused, with more class accessories than any other class

[hollow shell]

Well we need to do that

because rogue doesn't have any vanilla content

All other classes do, alongside Calamity content

[teal ibex]

i mean this suggestion is basically a mute point to begin with

it would be kinda ridiculous for the devs to leave only one option for scal for the class the mod introduces

it's more of a matter of time than anything else

and that time is most likely now-ish

[hollow shell]

@carmine linden Did you... get your commas and periods confused?

[carmine linden]

yes

i am poop

at grammer

[hollow shell]

ok

[carmine linden]

can nut Spall

i fixed it

you happy

its freaking 1 am

[teal ibex]

[hollow shell]

Yes :D

[teal ibex]

LOL i adore you rover

[hollow shell]

:D

[quiet abyss]

:D

[carmine linden]

other than my poop spelling do you actually like the idea

im guessing so

[teal ibex]

oh my god

[carmine linden]

because the ❕ is gone

[hollow shell]

Nah the lack of ❕ is just to say the sugg's valid

[carmine linden]

Ok

[hollow shell]

I personally don't have much of a problem with their AI

[carmine linden]

ok

[hollow shell]

Then again I haven't fought em personally in a while
I'm gettin there though

[carmine linden]

i fought scal recently

and you can already tell my opinion on the brothers phase

[gusty geode]

Shouldn't that be a bluecheck

[hollow shell]

For what past suggestion?

[cobalt rose]

for the scal brothers ai change i think

[rapid pivot]

hm

what would everyone think of a Shadowflame buff, actually?

[teal ibex]

debuff buffs get suggested a lot

they're usually well received but rarely acted upon

[rapid pivot]

Answer's 'no', then, a'ight.

Is a pity.

[cobalt rose]

there has been a suggestion about it before (idk how to link to discord messages)

[hollow shell]

Cuz usually the convo devolves into

[teal ibex]

since if debuffs are getting tweaked, it'll probably be in a big sweeping change rather than individually

[hollow shell]

"literally every debuff in this game except 3 do jack shit"

[rapid pivot]

hm

[teal ibex]

rover got the tone exactly correct as well

i believe a holistic debuffs rework went through and was approved though

so it's on the list™️

[rapid pivot]

ah, yes, the list of a major mod for a popular game

Has it hit the 1 terabyte mark yet?

[teal ibex]

only 1?

it's mostly just a case of effort vs output

even if debuffs get good they're still just flare for the most part

except on worm enemies, where they're busted

[rapid pivot]

fair enough

unless it's ichor

[teal ibex]

it would be cool tho

well ichor is busted for all things

forever and always

[rapid pivot]

(yeah; i still think the hive mind lore item is good for a long, long time)

(because it's basically free cursed flames on everything)

(and cursed flames is basically a slightly lamer ichor for DR)

[hollow shell]

(it only works in the Corruption, no?)

[rapid pivot]

either that or the EoW one

the ones with all the spores

[hollow shell]

Yeah, EoW

[rapid pivot]

ye, that one

[sand umbra]

ok but like Perfs lore outclasses HiiH MiiM lore in every possible statistic because of that fact

[teal ibex]

i mean, it's allowed to

[rapid pivot]

only in crimson

[lost agate]

Yes debuff changes are already on the list of some people

But its a big change balance wise and functionality wise so its gonna be a struggle

[ashen warren]

bruh please don't make supreme brothers dash

pain and defeats the point of bullet hell boss

[swift wadi]

They're fine how they are imo

[frail mantle]

yea

[grizzled stone]

True

[swift wadi]

Why make SCal harder

[manic pumice]

imagine if they circled around you

[swift wadi]

Because the brothers aren't super hard

[frail mantle]

having to dodge dashing brothers in the SCal arena would just be a massive pile of fuck

[ashen warren]

ragnarök time

[swift wadi]

The brothers don't have to be hard, half the fight doesn't have to be hard, because the other half makes up for that

If every part of SCal was as tough as something like BH5 then no-one would be able to beat her

[green pumice]

if the brothers actually moved then they'd become the hardest part imo

since where are you supposed to move in a tiny arena

[fervent citrus]

No hitters would be ded

[frail mantle]

people in general would be dead

[green pumice]

who says i have to redo nohits to keep role

[swift wadi]

Any thoughts on the idea of adding a way to tell, universally, if a boss is enraged? Not sure if it's been suggested before but I know a lot of people wonder "Why is Storm Weaver so fast?" or "Why is Hive Mind taking no damage?", Something like a sound indication, background color change or something less noticeable like their map icon changing color (I know that was suggested for DS at some point) would be nice, even a straight up message in chat would work, although it would be a little annoying possibly, and on the nose

[frail mantle]

a thing i've thought of is having an icon appear above bosses when they're enraged, like a red eye

[swift wadi]

I was also thinking maybe some red, decorative circle around the boss, but that could be mistaken for a boss mechanic

[opal barn]

Already suggestes

[dense ferry]

I was thinking of a debuff saying the Boss is enraged, like the zen one they inflict

[tepid root]

not really a good idea, debuffs arent very noticeable

[ashen warren]

wat about a status message?

[opal barn]

this was already suggested

[lost agate]

Guys i think it was already suggested but im not sure

[queen sail]

Enrage notification was sugma’d already

[lost agate]

Skeletron has an enrage notification already

It says Player was slain by Skeletron

[queen sail]

[lost agate]

Smh discord cant do math

[ashen warren]

spooky

[green pumice]

red

[ashen warren]

also why is it red

yes

[lost agate]

Low battery

[ashen warren]

that's just straight up FF0000

b r i g h t

in case you want to know

[lost agate]

Smh discord

I check reactions for no reason sometimes dw

[ashen warren]

same but with my sugmas

because that's the only place you commonly get reactions

[void kelp]

@modern loom wrong channel?

[civic pond]

this is the wrong channel

[brittle merlin]

suggestions is for suggestions to the mod

[modern loom]

any suggestions on how to get it?

[karmic stone]

Br

[brittle merlin]

that isn't what the channel is for

[gritty flower]

[karmic stone]

You already did this once

[modern loom]

-.-

[karmic stone]

And people explained this to you

[frail mantle]

that's a question better asked in #help-advice-read-pins or #calamity-mod-talk

[void kelp]

read the pins please

[karmic stone]

Also Calamity has quest fishes now?

[frail mantle]

indeed

[hollow idol]

ye

[karmic stone]

[gritty flower]

Someone should probably remove the thing

[karmic stone]

Ein

[void kelp]

I was gonna ping dom

[bitter topaz]

@modern loom not a question for here

[void kelp]

instead someone sc it ig

[modern loom]

I'll for fabsol or someone else to go online

[bitter topaz]

just read the wiki or something?

[frail mantle]

^

[modern loom]

have]

[void kelp]

please read #info or whatever I bet it tells you what these channels are for.

[frail mantle]

pretty sure calam fishing catch chances are on the wiki

[bitter topaz]

they should be

[sturdy yoke]

quest fish don't have the exact chances brought out but if they're the same as vanilla ones, around 1:10

[brittle merlin]

@modern loom https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/611726243217539129/660181495100473387/unknown.png

[modern loom]

ive seen that

it doen't drop

[brittle merlin]

rng

[modern loom]

rng?

[karmic stone]

Random number generator

Aka randomness

[sturdy yoke]

odds are you just have bad luck, keep going

you'll get it eventually

[gritty flower]

I could have maybe given that a better title

[frail mantle]

i think giving the Guardians more content/making them harder is in the Don'ts

[hollow idol]

it got removed iirc

[lost agate]

im pretty sure a profaned guardians sugg was already sent

[gritty flower]

Actually it’s not in the don’ts, neat

[lost agate]

yeah but it was sent already afaik

[hollow idol]

“Note: Buffing and reworking later game "easy" bosses like Profaned Guardians was previously disallowed, but now it is okay.”

[gritty flower]

I’m not suggesting buffing or reworking

I’m saying maybe make them have a Treasure Bag or at least make them drop some Essence

[frail mantle]

ah

[hollow idol]

im telling Providab

[frail mantle]

my mistake

[gritty flower]

@hallow hatch I think weapon reworking is a don’t

[hallow hatch]

But poison staff is laughably weak

It would be nice for it to be worth grinding

[gritty flower]

Still a don’t, and can’t you upgrade the staff

[hallow hatch]

The upgrade is post planters

[gritty flower]

And?

[frail mantle]

i believe weapon reworks are allowed unless it's so specific or such a big rework that it's basically a new item

[hallow hatch]

What do you think about a new drop?

A rare item variant from black recluses

[distant gyro]

no

[frail mantle]

giving the Poison Staff an RIV wouldn't really fix it being a bad weapon

[karmic stone]

Specific

[gritty flower]

That’s adding a new item

[distant gyro]

also the upgrade is actually post-mech

[frail mantle]

^

[distant gyro]

Venom staff only requires chlorophyte

[hallow hatch]

Damn really

Well either way

I like the idea of a poison mage weapon

[distant gyro]

There are actually plenty

Astralachnea and Plague Staff are indirect upgrades

[hallow hatch]

Yea Ig

Thanks for your input y’all

I appreciate it

[sand umbra]

we already have more than enough immediate upgrades in Clam

and they DON'T solve the problem of the origin weapon still being trash

[karmic stone]

Weapon A that literally only exists to make Weapon B

Yes fun e

[sand umbra]

(see also: Laser Rifle, Frost Staff, probably Tactical Shotgun, Tempest Staff)

[distant gyro]

Crystal Vile Shard, old Galactus Blade, old Stake Launcher

[karmic stone]

Shotgun is sex in vanilla iirc

But Clam stats memes

[sand umbra]

AH YES

I ALMOST FORGOT

[distant gyro]

Shotgun is a vanilla mistake

[sand umbra]

Crystal Vile Shard

[hallow kraken]

Why crystal vile shard even though it’s buffed

[karmic stone]

Die

[sand umbra]

Hell Burst, that's why.

[distant gyro]

Crystal Vile Shard is upgraded to Hell Burst 10 seconds after

[hallow kraken]

What was the point of buffing it to base damage of 25 when it can be upgraded to 40

[sand umbra]

Because you immediately can make Hell Burst, which blows it outta the fucking water in every possible category, directly after obtaining it.

[hallow kraken]

You guys realize I suggested that a week ago

[gritty flower]

How do you make Hell Burst?

[karmic stone]

Just looked at the recipe yea
Not locked behind anything even

[hallow kraken]

souls of night and dark shards

[karmic stone]

Hardest thing to get is Dark Shards

[sand umbra]

Crystal Vile Shard, Flamelash, and a bunch of Hardmode starter materials nobody cares about

[karmic stone]

The its normal mat memes

[hallow kraken]

but to change that you can search my last suggestion and star it

[karmic stone]

Lé Excalibure

[hallow kraken]

shameless advertising

[sand umbra]

I already starred it when it existed

[gusty geode]

Profaned Guardians as a whole are getting a lot of undeserved pain from the devs
They only exist to drop one thing
And that thing has a non-consumable version that can be crafted immediately after so you don't even need to fight them more than once
They're the only boss in the mod with no treasure bag
Death mode does literally nothing to them except make them hit harder
Devs refuse to buff them because "they're a gateway boss they're supposed to be easy"

[gritty flower]

Exactly, they could at least drop some Unholy Essence

Feeling bad for the Nuggets, man

[gusty geode]

Just because they're a gateway boss doesn't mean they can't be challenging imo

[gritty flower]

Ye

[gusty geode]

One change I thought would make sense for them
Was having them revive after a short time with like 25% health if at least one was still alive
So the fight only ended if you killed all 3 in rapid succession
But according to Terry that simultaneously made them too hard and did nothing to increase their difficulty

[gritty flower]

Mmm yeah

I don’t think that’s a good idea

[lost agate]

devs refuse to buff the profaned guardians

im literally trying to change them lmao

[gritty flower]

I’m not saying buff them or rework them

Wow, so far the one about the Profaned Nuggets I made is the most popular one so far

[quick ice]

Yeah, if they had a weapon or 2 and dropped some unholy essence that’d be nice

[gritty flower]

Exactly

[sand umbra]

at least put 'em on par with LC drop-wise

since iirc they're treated about the same way as he is --- as a gateway boss

[quick ice]

Also Birb should get a buff since it’s the required boss to fight Yharon who’s late Post-ML, and yet the Birb is fought right at the beginning making its drops relatively low use until after Doggo

[sand umbra]

for those wondering what this means:
give them a crafting station drop, one drop with a fantastically funny special gimmick, and an RIV nobody's ever going to care about

also Birb does not need a buff

[gritty flower]

Fantastically funny special gimmick?

[sand umbra]

it needs something more akin to an actual rework to make it not just a reskinned faster Mothron with occasional feather projectiles

and yes, that bit was in reference to the infamous Eidolon Staff

and its inability to stop its projectiles from existing if the enemy keeps getting hit

[queen sail]

I mean i said this before

Profaned Guardians only really exist bc of lore

[zealous ridge]

they used to exist bc they were the only source of profaned cores, but that was changed some time ago with the introduction of the unconsumable

[hallow kraken]

profaned guardians exist to be a pain during Providence’s fight

[zealous ridge]

that too

[sand umbra]

correction

Profaned Guardians exist to make Elemental Disk relevant

[queen sail]

:txvsn:

[sand umbra]

[zealous ridge]

well but like

[queen sail]

(Is this supposed to be a thanos snapped or)

[sand umbra]

(I don't know)

[zealous ridge]

id still like them to be redesigned into a standalone fight

or at least a miniboss

[sand umbra]

so do I

I'm just statin' the facts here

[queen sail]

I suggested that they be biome minibosses

[sand umbra]

as they stand, the only reason they exist is to encourage using the Elemental Disk because rogue is the only class

[hallow kraken]

They also exist because unholy ambush is really good

[queen sail]

With each dropping a piece of the profaned core

[sand umbra]

(except melee gets Ele Disk too because melee is actually the only class worth balancing for)

[queen sail]

Crimsaber

Crimsaber

(And however many beam swords this mod adds)

[zealous ridge]

i dont think we need to get caught up in why these bosses exist currently

because honestly? the reasons are somewhat self evident

[queen sail]

Free super healing pots at most tbh

[sand umbra]

(the 100+ swords in the mod that you will never use on their own merit but will use for Exoblade and then forget about)

(this includes Exoblade itself)

[gritty flower]

Lol

[queen sail]

why last mourning when soul edge exists

[sand umbra]

Last Mourning is a Patron wep iirc

[zealous ridge]

yeah

[queen sail]

Mmmmm

[sand umbra]

I'm not counting those, for the purpose of the expression

[zealous ridge]

in any case

[sand umbra]

in any event

[zealous ridge]

i personally think the mini-bosses do need some more expansion, at least to some degree

[sand umbra]

the takeaway here is that the Profaned Guardians need a rework and a reason to exist past dropping the Profaned Core, and Birb needs a couple new moves and not just an extremely annoying gimmick that's already dumb enough when Mothrons do it except this time you can't prevent the little fuckers from spawning

[queen sail]

Honestly we really need more interesting gimmicks

[hallow kraken]

I’ve heard someone else suggest they drop geodes after providence

[sand umbra]

give me more bosses like Provi
give me more bosses like Astrum Aureus

[opal barn]

Hey peepa

[sand umbra]

hi Tera

[gritty flower]

Give us Mecha Waifu (Exo Mech Brimmy)

[sand umbra]

welcome to a very in-depth discussion of boss enjoyability directly post-ML

[opal barn]

Everybody knows that people want changes to profaned guardians

Stop talking about it here

[sand umbra]

gacha

/poof

[opal barn]

Especially stop with the comments like yours, thomas

[gritty flower]

No, Gacha is a different game

[zealous ridge]

...are we not allowed to discuss it in here if the devs already know?

perhaps i misunderstand

[opal barn]

Do you know how many times this has been discussed here

[hollow shell]

It's not a universal thing
It's just Profaned Guardians

Yes, they suck, devs know, workin on it
Add it to the 4 billion other things on their plate

[zealous ridge]

im not really asking it be done immediately

i guess it's just that it's not productive to talk about it for the 100th time?

[opal barn]

So far the only thing that came out of profaned guardians discussion is pain and annoyance

[zealous ridge]

hmm

perhaps that's just something to do with the nature of most discussions here

[opal barn]

Probably true

[zealous ridge]

i mean, i personally have no problem with discussing the profaned guardians because i have ideas for making them more interesting, i just don't know if it would matter if i shared them

[hollow shell]

I'm wondering if we should try to be more stringent about derailing complaint convo ramblings
There's already a pin about it... kinda

Some convos just happen where we hop from one bad area to another and it's okay cuz it might result in a suggestion

[opal barn]

I want to enforce that, but then people: hurdur discussion

[zealous ridge]

and because direct solutions like suggesting drops and items is kind of against this servers suggestion policy (which im fine with)

and yeah, people get on to tangents about the balance of calamity as a whole without making any ground towards suggestion making

[opal barn]

A lot of the times this channel feels like a rant channel

[zealous ridge]

i can see that

i remember the wings discussion a few days ago(?)

there was a general discussion about the depth blade that just turned into a massive rant about dead item drops

and i guess, that's partially my fault for derailing the discussion from the beginning by talking about how i dont like enemies dropping standalone items

[opal barn]

I don't know if you were here then but some time ago Fab had to step in, so you can imagine how bad it can get. Anyway this isn't relevant to this channel anymore

[zealous ridge]

ah yeah, sorry

[hollow shell]

And we acknowledged that it's a vanilla issue that can't really be solved by Calamity, but the convo continued anyway

m

[zealous ridge]

well, an idea i had was making profaned guardians do more interesting things...

if i may discuss this a little bit (ill try and propose some interesting ideas)

unless that's kind of ech

eh, i think i may just write it up somewhere else for no

now*

[opal barn]

Getting direct ideas can be good, but it can still derail to hurdur profaned guardians useless!

[zealous ridge]

yeah yeah i understand

[opal barn]

But there's no way to fiz this other than ruling this channel with an Iron hand

[zealous ridge]

mmm

yeah ill hold off for now, my idea got longer than i thought it would be

but i am excited to share some time later, if anyone wants to see it

[quick ice]

I’m interested, if you posted it here in a document that’d be cool

[zealous ridge]

its not like standalone document long

hold on i can post it real quick

dont know if it's the most original idea, but real quick
considering the guardians must be fought before fighting providence, what if the fight was a sort of tutorial for her attacks, rather than just having their own abilities that are kind of distinct from hers?

a change to the fights pacing may be in order as well, to fit providence's attack speed increasing the further you get through the fight.

so, fight gets more hectic the further you get through it, maybe all three bosses have a shared health bar (?) and stay near each other more
additionally, crystal guardian either uses a single holy ray in the hallow or occasionally summons a crystal above the player that breaks into falling shards. Defense guardian makes every guardian gain massive DR and intiate a lesser version of providence's cocoon attacks (perhaps pulses of fire projectiles and bouncing spears?), and finally the attack guardian dictates the movement of the entire cluster and tries and deal contact damage (other two don't have contact damage)

ive yet to figure out what they would do during the providence fight itself

[umbral mulch]

I mean they're already different in the provi fight aren't they

[zealous ridge]

yeah

they may not need changes in the provi fight

[umbral mulch]

So wouldn't be too different from now anyway

I do think that's a good idea though

Kind of like the brimstone crag has those eyes that shoot the same lasers as calamatis

[zealous ridge]

oooh yeah

and closer to home, how the profaned energies replicate an attack from providence herself

[umbral mulch]

Ye

[dull salmon]

have infinite quivers/pouches for calamity ammo already been discussed?

[frail mantle]

pretty sure they have yea

and i think the final verdict was that they'd make Ranged even more broken than it is now

[dull salmon]

i was thinking they'd be more for convenience/ease of life

[void kelp]

luiafk has it so that stacks of any anmo at max dont go down when used

[fervent zealot]

not max

4 stack's worth of ammo, same as the vanilla quiver/pouch

[umbral mulch]

Infinity also exists

[terse rain]

They wouldn’t make the class any more “broken” what

The dps and other qualities of the class would remain exactly the same there just wouldn’t be ammo farming which is already shit anyways

[dull salmon]

thats what i was thinking

wym by "infinity also exists" @umbral mulch

[void kelp]

it’s a mod that has that effect, specifically

[umbral mulch]

It mod

It also adds in endless potions

If you're the kind of person that likes infinite ammos you're probably the kind of person that likes the idea of endless potions

[zealous ridge]

it just doesnt seem like a thing that this mod would do, the way i see it

[umbral mulch]

I can tell you because that's the kind of person I am

[zealous ridge]

theres no precedent for that kind of content in calamity currently

[dull salmon]

i dont mind farming for bullets, but it'd be nice to not have to

[umbral mulch]

Then get infinity and call it a day

And if you don't like infinite potions don't make them

[dull salmon]

true

[potent veldt]

This is probably a niche thought, but you could make it so that ML's defeat does bring out profaned enemies, but they are mostly docile and don't care about you

But upon the defeat of the Guardians, it enrages all of them and makes them all harder

[teal ibex]

https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/659121402640728075 👍 @queen sail

congrat

[sand umbra]

is it Giant Squid rework hours

[queen sail]

Oh hey my 🦑 rework got in

Naisu

[teal ibex]

well approved

[queen sail]

Also i’m wired from sleeping all day due to diarrhea

I woke up to this

[hollow shell]

Ah

[teal ibex]

[queen sail]

[teal ibex]

i apologize

[queen sail]

Nah nah its fine

[teal ibex]

feel better soon friendo

[sand umbra]

I mean, you woke up to something good, at least

for whatever that may be worth

[queen sail]

Yeppity yep yep

[sand umbra]

and ye, hope you get well soon

[queen sail]

Thx

[karmic stone]

This is alot of spritework iirc

[hollow shell]

Only one biome has a shader (Astral), the rest would be for bosses

[frail mantle]

haven't Calamity monoliths been suggested before

[vocal grotto]

Isn't Astral's shader a light purple fog overlay?

[hallow kraken]

Hm

[hollow shell]

It is

And they have

Also @supple lodge Did you get my pings from
two days ago?

or are you just gonna act like you're still offline even though you starred the suggestion from 4 minutes ago

[sand umbra]

then again, maybe they have pings suppressed or smth

I know that's a feature Discord has, incondusive as it may be to this channel's purpose

[hollow shell]

@queen sail Already fixed iirc

[karmic stone]

[hollow shell]

ye

[terse sundial]

^

[queen sail]

Oops

[hollow shell]

s'fine, it's not like it was in changelogs

[radiant meadow]

already fixed it

It was because I copied Consecrated Water when making the file and adjusted it to my needs

but forgot to change that because yes

[hollow shell]

It's the same noise as Vampire Knives, right?

[keen geyser]

I'm pretty sure it is

[radiant meadow]

I don't even remember what I chose and why

[keen geyser]

It's just really abhorrent to listen to that sound whenever I'm using that weapon

[radiant meadow]

I can change it to the basic swing sound I guess

[hollow shell]

I'd hardly call the sound abhorrent or anything

[keen geyser]

all of the people i play with have told me to rather not use that weapon simply due to the sound

so I'm not alone

[radiant meadow]

it uses SoundID.Item39

whatever that is

[sand umbra]

yeppers peppers

that's Vamp. Knives and SotC, alright

[hollow shell]

ye

[keen geyser]

this repeated over and over with the fast attack speed of the Talons really doesn't make my ears happy

[sand umbra]

I imagine it's
not as pleasing to listen to at the speed Talons fire at, ye

[radiant meadow]

oh, I think I copied it from Lunar Kunai

[hollow shell]

ye

[radiant meadow]

in Calamity, it's used by Lunar Kunai, Empyrean Knives, Illustrious Knives, Terror Talons, and Mistlestorm

[keen geyser]

do you agree with the fact that it's really not enjoyable to listen to

like

[cobalt rose]

no

[keen geyser]

i enjoy hearing the other sounds of the game

so I'd rather not just turn them off

[hollow shell]

Unless you're like blasting the sound into your ears

I don't really mind it too much

[sand umbra]

mmm

[keen geyser]

using it for lengthened periods of time just makes me want to stop using it and throw it in the trash

[sand umbra]

yeah I like the sound normally but uh

at that speed

that ain't it, chief

[supple lodge]

@hollow shell I saw

[hollow shell]

Okay.
So, would you mind deleting your suggestion or shall I?

Considering it falls under a Don't or two

[radiant meadow]

alright changed it to the Eidolic Scream

[keen geyser]

even better

[radiant meadow]

I actually didn't touch it

[keen geyser]

i figured

[hollow shell]

Not yet anyway
needs 86 more star

[radiant meadow]

I thought it was bomb proof

but regardless, actuator memes are a thing

[jovial spire]

Lemme test it

[hollow shell]

There's nothing for CanExplode in its file, and it seems that it defaults to explodable
considering Astral Dirt also has no mention of CanExplode

[hallow kraken]

What about hoiks

[cloud surge]

I just blew it up

[jovial spire]

Yep can confirm

[radiant meadow]

I swear you used to not be able to blow it up

[cloud surge]

But I guess it still would be a temple situation otherwise, since hoiking and actuators

[hollow shell]

Yep, in this old-ass source there is indeed a Return False for CanExplode

Must've gotten forgotten when Kira redid the file for the custom textures?

[radiant meadow]

maybe

I'll fix it

since this is a bug rather

fixed it

[hollow shell]

Nice

... I hope there aren't any more of these hiding away that we forgot about

[cloud surge]

Cryogenic ore?

Or that meant to be explodable

[radiant meadow]

cryonic ore should be explodable post cryo

[hollow shell]

and uhh
it only spawns post-Cryo

so yes

[cloud surge]

Ok

[radiant meadow]

the post cryo thing is a relic

[karmic stone]

Time to crimsonify the Crags and use BoC's lore item to get Philosopher's

[radiant meadow]

from when it spawned with world gen

[cloud surge]

Ha I had that same idea

[radiant meadow]

you can do that if you want

and nobody is going to stop you

[gusty geode]

I honestly thought getting the Stone early was intentional

[hearty yew]

@keen geyser as the person who chose that sound: what's the problem exactly? I just thought it sounded better than the default ass throwing sound that everything else in the game uses

It's a change of pace

Sure, terror talons aren't a multi-throw shotgun weapon, so that could be reason enough for them being changed

But what would I change it to I guess

[radiant meadow]

oh, so you changed it?

[hearty yew]

Yes

It used to be default throw

I changed it to vamp knives while redoing the item

[radiant meadow]

oh, so it was the default throw

[hearty yew]

Yes

[radiant meadow]

I was wondering how it got to that sound

[keen geyser]

It's just that my ears can't withstand that sound repeated that fast

it gives me a minor case of tinnitus

[hollow shell]

Assumedly because of the bass

[sand umbra]

yeah I like the Vamp. Knives/SotC throw as much as anybody but

there are better options for a weapon thrown that fast

the reason it works for the two weapons of origin is because they're relatively slow

[small talon]

it took THIS LONG for people to find out that slag was not bomb proof cuz everyone thought it was cuz it should be

[sand umbra]

wait a fuckin' minute

you can blow up Brimstone Slag

[quick ice]

yup

not anymore though

[queen delta]

lmao

wait

Last time i ever attempted to blow up brimstone slags, they were immune

Mustve been changed recently

[lost agate]

Now it got changed back lmao

[random flume]

didnt make use of it this run

[ashen warren]

is that an instant 🏁

[keen geyser]

Indeed

[quartz hare]

Indeed

[hallow hatch]

[zenith hazel]

wait who uses claspers all the way up to pillars

[swift wadi]

What

[ashen warren]

bruh

[versed mica]

Yeah there is no way they are viable up to that point

@arctic crystal

[arctic crystal]

you ever done a summoner playthrough in calamity

there op

[versed mica]

There are much better things than claspers at that tier

[zenith hazel]

I just did, and they only last till clonemitas

[arctic crystal]

i think thats still to far anyway

[zenith hazel]

that's mainly because other options available at that point aren't too good

i.e. deepsea staff or vanilla summons

[versed mica]

Your suggestion needs to be rephrased also for that then(already rephrased)

[tepid root]

lol what the fuck

[arctic crystal]

ill leaave as is 😉

[gusty geode]

Please don't nerf summoner
It needs all the help it can get rn

[versed mica]

Yeah summoner also doesn’t need any nerfs

[tired haven]

Claspers certainly fall off after plantera, no idea how would it last that long

And 8 bosses in early-mid hm are too close in tiers

[tepid root]

time to beat fishron with claspers

[arctic crystal]

im be back after taking a video of my killing cultists and fish boi with claspers

[versed mica]

Ok

[tepid root]

ok

[versed mica]

Inb4 it’s normal mode

[arctic crystal]

in expert

[versed mica]

Hrmmm

[tired haven]

To be honest, though, I don't mind moving claspers to like post-all mechs (NOT post cryo, this point is overloaded), but only if deep sea stars are buffed

Also, that won't proof a point really. I can kill cultist with megashark and claim it lasts too long

[versed mica]

The problem is what is a good summon for early hm

[arctic crystal]

there arnt any and that should change

[tired haven]

Now, if it did SHRED cultist on par with post golem summons, then yes

[versed mica]

Right but making new summons takes time and right now claspers is a good viable option for a pretty weak time for summoners

[arctic crystal]

true

its more a long term suggestion

i dont experct anything to change for a long time

but eventually it will probbaly get reblanced

[tired haven]

Well, that suggestion should come when it becomes relevant then
Would get forgotten if passed now

[versed mica]

was looking forward to Ice clasper against fishron endurance fight

[arctic crystal]

il still do it

be right back

[tepid root]

make sure to show your gear if youre gonna actually do it lol

[arctic crystal]

acidintally did it on normal mode and im to lazy right now to go back and to it on expert but watchout tommarow cuz ima post the expert mode tommarow but for now i sleep

apparently my files are too powerful and they axceed 100MGB any way to get around this?

[tepid root]

google drive maybe

also MGB

[frail mantle]

moving the ice chunk to post-Mech would be :echprime: because it'd force Summoners to use Spiders on one of the mechs

and spiders aren't very good on enemies that move a lot (like the Mechs)

[placid moth]

I wouldn't touch Claspers at all tbh

[distant gyro]

tfw just buff spiders iirc

[placid moth]

make spiders shoot webs that damage enemies

[distant gyro]

I'd prefer black hawks or even pirates

[placid moth]

black hawks ?

[distant gyro]

black hawk remote thing, summon weapon dropped by wall

[placid moth]

how is its performance like

[distant gyro]

comparable to shellfish and ice chunk as one of the 3 minions for early hm summoner

[rustic flare]

hey guys,

i want to defeat the moonlord using yoyo.
what's the best yoyo when defeat moonlord?

[frail mantle]

that's a question better asked in #help-advice-read-pins

[distant gyro]

wait why ask here

[rustic flare]

oh.. sorry, thank you :D

[frail mantle]

i think map icons for the minibosses are being made

[night cradle]

It was requested on art server for the Giant Clam and GSS, yea

[tepid root]

yeah that was for boss checklist support, what other minibosses does the mod have anyways

[frail mantle]

Earth Elemental, Abyss Minibosses (though i doubt that they're getting minimap icons)

Cloud Elemental, Armored Digger, Plaguebringer, the Mauler

[tepid root]

maybe for abyss mininosses theyll just give them a group photo in boss checklist

say cheese

[frail mantle]

i mean Abyss Minibosses don't even have entries in the normal Boss Checklist so i doubt they'll get entries in the Boss Log

[tired haven]

Why would they have that, anyway?

[wary flume]

I really hate how discord doesn't show recent messages

[frail mantle]

actually none of the Calam minibosses even have BC entries

[fervent citrus]

Would it be a good idea to update the health bar? To me it seems kinda out of place

[frail mantle]

update it in what way

[fervent citrus]

well

make it look different

i mean yea there is boss healthbar mod

[frail mantle]

it looks like that because it's an MGR:R reference iirc

tbh i don't really see anything wrong with how it is currently, though i kinda agree that it looks a little out of place

[distant gyro]

reference mod, reference mod

[frail mantle]

[distant gyro]

I think some things could be changed on

example : currently, spawning the moon lord shows his core HP right away

[frail mantle]

yea it's kinda weird how for example the Prime health bar will show how many hands are alive, even when all the hands are dead

[ashen warren]

health bar graphics update so it looks more like in MGR

[fervent citrus]

then updating the healthbar logic would be a good suggestion, right?

right??

[distant gyro]

ye

[fervent citrus]

ight, imma write that

how do i make my letters, umm, fatter?

[swift wadi]

Bold? Double asterisk

[tired haven]

** on each side

[swift wadi]

**

** xd **

[frail mantle]

**text**

[distant gyro]

"fatter"

[fervent citrus]

thanks

[distant gyro]

discrimination against bold text iirc

[fervent citrus]

accidentally sent it instantly

[queen sail]

[fervent citrus]

done

woah, check out what i discovered

lol

[fervent citrus]

Can someone suggest summons should attack pigs for me?

I keep frickin sending the message too early

[radiant meadow]

@arctic crystal you're completely ignoring like half of the summons that are straight up superior to claspers?
like entropy's vigil, resurrection butterfly, and xeno staff
deepsea staff is also better than claspers in open spaces iirc

@still cliff great sand shark and giant clam will have them next update if the sprites from art are accepted
Abyss minibosses and Mauler will never have them due to the nature of the biomes
however, the others are still fair game afaik
although there can be more than one earth or cloud elemental active at a time so maybe not

armored digger would be a good contender for a map icon

[lost agate]

Also i thought early hm summoner was where it struggled

[frail mantle]

afaik it does kinda decently? not sure

[hollow shell]

@fervent citrus Shouldn't those go in #bugs-read-pins?

[lost agate]

Claspers in cryo derp phase sucks

[fervent citrus]

Is it a bug?

i mean

[hollow shell]

You call them bugs

[lost agate]

Black hawk sucks on any segmented enemy

[fervent citrus]

i know but

[sand umbra]

~~I thought it was early pre-HM where Summoner sucked the most

but then again it's Summoner so take that with a grain of salt~~

[fervent citrus]

pigs not being attacked by minions is cause they are more like critters rather than enemies

i think

[lost agate]

Wat

[hollow shell]

If you don't actually think they're bugs then you should reword the suggestion
(and have a more useful title)

Like "make the boss healthbar show more useful values against some bosses" or something like that

Unless the values you're seeing are inconsistent (sometimes ML core, sometimes hands) (sometimes it shows the right amount of Prime arms, sometimes it doesn't)
in which case they're definitely bugs

[fervent citrus]

Oh you meant that

[placid moth]

The Absorber, Sponge and any accessory/armor in question that gives movement speed, DR/damage/defense buffs in liquids

I think it takes a lot of effort to flood your entire world/arena to get those very specific buffs. Otherwise, the alternative is to TEDit your world to flood the entire damn thing, which at that point, means the buffs are almost a guarantee.

So replace anything that gives stat buffs in liquids with regular stat buffs. Or remove it.

[keen geyser]

I feel like making those into overall stat buffs would make the items disgusting

Maybe change it so it lasts for a few seconds after exiting water

[foggy plover]

Like shrimpy truffle?

[keen geyser]

Ive never used it so idk

[hallow kraken]

I solemnly agree that cal needs more attacks, fight is nothing but “circle lasers kill brothers repeat”

[placid moth]

How would the items be disgusting if it was a direct stat buff

I think the idea that it would last for a good duration after being in contact with any liquid is pretty darn good tbh

[void kelp]

might make them less of a joke

maybe replace the current conditional buffs with weaker permanent buffs

[foggy plover]

What do yall think of an alternate set of adrenaline permanent power ups, that rather than decreasing the time it takes to get adrenaline, just flat increase the damage; this would of course make it so you cant use both sets

[placid moth]

Sure

But waiting 45 secs for late hardmode and Post ML can be very punishing

[quartz hare]

give the crabulon more attaccs

[karmic stone]

Why

[hallow kraken]

crabulon is fine tbh

[foggy plover]

crabulon is fine rn

[hallow kraken]

quite fun ngl

[karmic stone]

@quartz hare Why.

[foggy plover]

I mean it still has more attacks than cal and its the 4th boss

[quartz hare]

ha-ha crabulon's second phase

[night cradle]

Current Cal fight is not "running straight and dodging every few projectiles", I disagree
It's pretty fine with it's surprise second phase, all three brother phases and seeker phase
Adding more to it would make the fight kinda more cluttered, especially with how much goes in the fight

[lost agate]

and i kinda buffed the fireball

[night cradle]

Current DoppelCal is pretty fun anyway to fight if you learn her patterns and such

[lost agate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/458428837017944094/658083854707458060/Calfireball.gif

Fire balls are bigger now hueh

Had to be done to fit the new sprite

[gray nebula]

nice >:]

[lost agate]

I remember that clone used to be overwhelming af when the laser homed in more

[tired haven]

Spears have different sprites to not stretch the small icon, don't they?

[frail mantle]

indeed

[lost agate]

Yeah i think

Otherwise they would look very small in the inventory

[tired haven]

The latest suggestion may need further explanation then

[lost agate]

If he means different sprites, wasnt that fixed already?

[night cradle]

He probably means different sprites, yeah

[meager lichen]

Yeah i wasnt clear at all, i just noticed it

[frail mantle]

it seems like the held sprite is different from inventory sprite, yea

[night cradle]

also I don't think it was fixed last time I played the mod

I might be wrong tho

[meager lichen]

I have the latest version of the mod to make that clear

[lost agate]

Well shiet i gotta check then

[frail mantle]

latest as in .111?

[meager lichen]

And yes i mean the sprites not the size

[tired haven]

It would have been useful to show the inventory icon, byeah
~~also please use stuff like from screenshot. org next time instead of camera shot ~~

[lost agate]

Uh regardless

Thats a bug not a suggestion

[opal barn]

^

Deleteing it

[meager lichen]

Sorry bout all this mixup

[lost agate]

Last time we had a bug report as a suggestions people didnt want me to fix the bug cuz the thing hadnt reached 90 stars

So keep it as a bug report

[hollow shell]

@fervent citrus So uhhhh

are you gonna
do anything?

[manic pumice]

honestly every bug report should be a suggestion that has to reach 90 stars

[lost agate]

why

[cyan lagoon]

if that's a joke

then it isn't funny at all

[keen geyser]

a gamebreaking bug should not be locked behind a 90 star wall

like "Killing providence doesn't drop the rune of kos, but since the bug report hasn't reached 90 stars yet, we're not gonna do anything about it."

[vocal grotto]

Well, bug reports don't really even belong here. They belong in #bugs-read-pins

[keen geyser]

well duh

[vocal grotto]

It should be obvious in my opinion, but I can't really decipher if the "bugs should need 90 stars" comment was a joke or not, so it's better to inform them of it just in case.

[keen geyser]

ah i thought that was directed to me

[fervent citrus]

somebody called me?

[karmic stone]

Rover asked what are you gonna do about smth

check your mentions

[hearty yew]

Bugs don't need 90 stars. @keen geyser

I trust people to not report fake bugs.

If people abuse that trust, the moderation team will get involved.

If you have a bug to report, do so in #bugs-read-pins

Do not suggest fixing bugs. Fixing bugs isn't something that requires community support

@manic pumice

sorry I @'d the wrong person

[terse rain]

Dude I think we need to CUT materials from the auric bar recipe

[green pumice]

?????

[terse rain]

They should cut phantoplasm/endothermic/nightmare fuel/maybe even more from the recipe imo

[green pumice]

theres a bar now?

[terse sundial]

yes

[karmic stone]

Auric Bar got in around 109 ish

[green pumice]

also who cares, at that point those materials are piss easy to get anyway

[distant gyro]

auric bar got in around 107 ish iirc

[karmic stone]

Whenever you are missing mats in endgame you just say "oh ok" and then go off for like 3 minutes

[terse rain]

9 separate materials for a bar though?

[karmic stone]

For the most powerful endgame bar, yes

[green pumice]

shadowspec looks at you

[karmic stone]

Actually shadowspec but

[terse rain]

It’s just cancer to manage in an inventory and has genuinely no point in being the way it is

[green pumice]

magic storage

[hollow shell]

Having it all consolidated into a bar is better than requiring all the individual materials for each weapon

at least.

[green pumice]

^

[terse rain]

Yes, it definitely is

[hollow shell]

Magic Storage does make it a lot more manageable as well

[terse rain]

It does. But the bars are nothing but an unnecessarily large fetch quest without considering the fact that they take up nearly 1/4 of the players inventory to craft

[hollow shell]

Well that's the uhh
the point

of the Exo weapons

[terse rain]

Yes, it is

But I’m here to present a novel idea about that aforementioned point

It’s stupid

[hollow shell]

[green pumice]

it's gonna be the same either way

so whats the problem

[terse rain]

It presents no new challenge to the player

[hollow shell]

It's theatrics, climactics

It's not supposed to be a new challenge, it's supposed to feel like "oh shit this is the big shit"

[terse rain]

So either that needs to be fixed or the recipe needs to take a nerf

[radiant meadow]

you can craft stuff from chests

I don't think inventory space is an issue

[terse rain]

It’s not a big issue no

Obviously my main problem with this is just why

Why is this needed and what does it add to the game

[hollow shell]

... climactics

[terse rain]

If this is how climactics are done here they need to not do climactics

Because farming materials for auric bars is pretty damn anticlimactic

[hollow shell]

Aight, aight, bud

You can make a suggestion for it

[radiant meadow]

so you just don't like farming?

[terse sundial]

I don't even know how to respond to that

[hollow shell]

and get 89 people to agree with you

er

88

cuz the bot counts

[radiant meadow]

it's also a change of pace on making bars since most of them are super basic recipes

[terse rain]

I probably won’t honestly but I genuinely don’t think we need to add more materials to the bar like the person said in #suggestions-voting

No offense, Ben, but I disagree with you on this one

[radiant meadow]

you don't have to agree

[hollow shell]

That's fine, you don't need to star it

[terse rain]

Yeah, ik

[radiant meadow]

I could do the huge powerplay and do it anyways

[karmic stone]

No real reason for anybody to be offended by somebody not agreeing with them in the first place

[terse rain]

Well people frequently are anyways even if there’s no real reason to be

[void kelp]

honestly I agree that it adds to climactics since you get that same feeling late pre-HM when you assemble the parts of the night’s edge / equivalents

[hollow shell]

(in other news, Luminite Ore's bein a poopy head)

[karmic stone]

and again, endgame grinding takes only a few minutes

Ore came here asking who pinged and didn't say anything else

[void kelp]

didn’t you ask him to be more clear instead of deleting and reposting

[ruby cobalt]

so, nothing really new

[void kelp]

rover do you have a list of sugma ditchers

[hollow shell]

Skoores is also a poopy head, because he said that he saw what I said about his suggestion breaking some Don'ts and yet never edited it or responded to me other than saying that... he saw what I said

[radiant meadow]

Rover! smh watch your language

[manic pumice]

whats sugma

[radiant meadow]

:C

[terse sundial]

[karmic stone]

short for sugg