But melting two other bosses is okay :P
#suggestions-discussion
hollow shell
void kelp
but it doesn’t sound overpowered if it’s just another melee weapon for early hardmode
something something give worm bosses specific resistance if it’s that bad
hollow shell
Or just reduce the dust's piercing
distant gyro
I think aop is fine as is due to how uncommon the playerbase use it 
hollow shell
Oh it
actually just shoots Purification Powder, that is set to deal melee damage
alright specific resistance it is
void kelp
kinda curious to see how it fares DPS-wise in general
does destroyer have resistance to sub shocker sparks?
umbral mulch
Ranger still has the daedalus stormbow for aquatic and destroyer
hollow shell
Daedalus is nerfed somewhat hard in Calamity
-25% damage
umbral mulch
I'm aware
It's still really good
Partially because it's damage was so over the top to begin with
hollow shell
It doesn't seem that Destroyer resists Submarine Shocker sparks
keen geyser
Small thought I had here involving the Victide summoning set
Summons don't proc the seashell, so why does it even have that set bonus in the first place? Wouldn't it be better to either make it so summons proc it, or just give it a different set bonus?
I wanna throw this into suggestions, any thoughts?
void kelp
I like it
gives summoners more benefit in a time where they could use all they can get
keen geyser
It just doesn't make sense to me that it has an absolutely useless set bonus for people who are playing purely summoner
hollow shell
Doesn't Victide get a little urchin buddy for summoner?
foggy plover
Yea, the thing that shoots spikes out randomly that dont hit anything xd~
keen geyser
Like, victide as a set in my eyes is a pretty good set already, but I feel as if summoner is overshadowed by the other ones
also that the boomerang one shouldn't be on summoner
hollow shell
pure class/subclass playthroughs where you force yourself to not use any other weapons is dumb fight me
keen geyser
regardless
hollow shell
You could suggest something I guess
keen geyser
Victide armour set suggestion
Give the Victide summoning set a different set bonus other than the 10% chance at the seashell
I feel as if the Victide summoning set is overshadowed by the other classes since the urchin has bad aiming AI and summon weapons can't throw the seashell.
It doesn't really make much sense that a summoner should be forced to use a different class weapon to make use of a part of the armor set bonus.
This fine?
sand umbra
pure class/subclass playthroughs where you force yourself to not use any other weapons is dumb fight me
hollow shell
Yeah sure that's good
sand umbra
subclass playthroughs? I partially agree, although only on the basis that people act like it's the holy grail and you should do it or you're a chump
that said, pure class playthroughs are. honestly the Calamity norm
cobalt rose
pickaxes count as melee weapons 
distant gyro
hmm
sand umbra
like I'm sorry to break this to you but pure class playthroughs are Calamity's bread and butter
basically everything is balanced around the idea you will play one class and that's it
(and as a matter of fact, multiclassing is inherently worse in Calamity because set bonuses are so powerful for whatever class they're for and nothing else)
Summoner being hard to play through the game with is. not okay, to be blunt
because it's not a subclass. it's a full class and is defined as such both in vanilla and in Calamity
let's not get this twisted
keen geyser
aye
hollow shell
Summoner could really benefit from some shuut of its own
Something to do besides run around and rely on your minions for everything
sand umbra
I really think the big thing of it is that it lacks a sufficient amount of unique mechanics to separate it from a big mage subclass
which is where the common joke comes from
hollow shell
We do have the classless debuff guns...
as in, we have 1 debuff gun, and 1 other for Rev+
hollow shell
Ah right, Aestheticus just got added
so, 3
sand umbra
SuperHot take: Aestheticus is literally just an earlier Lunic Eye
hollow shell
Well, its debuff has nothing to do with DR, or defense at all
and the projectile has splitting whereas Lunic Eye does not
so, I disagree
sand umbra
fair
honestly all these classless weps baffle me
because the thing of it is. none of them work very well by the time you get the third
Lunic Eye's point in progression is where bosses start to commonly say fuck you to every debuff except a few
hollow shell
yknow what I totally forgot Marked Magnum exists
which is weird cuz I was thinking about it earlier
sand umbra
tell me again how many pre-Hardmode bosses have Rev+ DR high enough for it to matter
and that's only in Rev+ too so the thing isn't worth half the shit required to craft it in Normal/Expert
distant gyro
SuperHot take: Aestheticus is literally just an earlier Lunic Eye
wait what
Aestheticus doesn't even inflict Marked
keen geyser
queen bee has 5% kappa
distant gyro
Aesth slows enemies down
distant gyro
vaporfied or something
keen geyser
crawdad has 20% :4head:
distant gyro
marked magnum last as long as no and yes combined
sand umbra
that makes a whole one enemy with Rev+ DR high enough for Marked to truly make a difference
ashen warren
performance question: Any one else having a problem in multiplayer with randomly teleporting bosses.
keen geyser
not quite the place to ask tho
ashen warren
when they are not meant to
ashen warren
When its multiplayer calamity most bosses past slime god, Its fine in solo play once its multiplayer the bosses just Bug" out
distant gyro
Teleport when it's not supposed to = Desync
zenith hazel
@warm dock what
distant gyro
ashen warren
Well I never had desync before
warm dock
sorry i accidently hit enter without the shift
karmic stone
Oh ok
ashen warren
Even when im in a playing a multiplayer server alone i get teleporting bosses
so how can it be desync?
keen geyser
connection
ashen warren
ALONE
zenith hazel
terraria multiplayer is lol funny haha eks dee
keen geyser
sometimes it's the fact that your comp's ram is overloaded
zenith hazel
what do you mean holden
warm dock
it means you turn back into your young personality and you turn young
keen geyser
what
zenith hazel
huh?
sand umbra
...what
sand umbra
I'm sorry I was busy listening to the unicorns and pixies that say this idea makes no sense, can you run through that again?
hollow shell
Specific item suggestion and also a reference for the sake of a reference
karmic stone
Understandable
hollow shell
These are things you can't suggest
hollow shell
They're in the Suggestion Dont's Doc, which is pinned.
zenith hazel
and cock goes the gun
karmic stone
warm dock
thomas is right!
swift bison
:delet:
distant gyro
@ashen warren
Welcome to Multiplayer.
- Items you can't pick up
- Fail to summon boss
- Teleporting when it is unintentional
- Chat delaying for 1 minute
- PVP being absolutely unbalanced with late game gears
- Bosses being easily cheesed with spawnpoints and stuff
Calamity didn't make it like this. Terraia was doomed from the start.
warm dock
oh ok
ashen warren
@distant gyro NOT LAG OR DESYNC
keen geyser
bruh
keen geyser
he's playing solo
warm dock
i am sorry
terse rain
Calamity pvp is more unbalanced than normal endgame pvp though
hollow shell
he's not playing solo actually
distant gyro
it's connected to the server so it's fucked from the start
keen geyser
wait what
hollow shell
It's okay, just make sure to read pins holden.
distant gyro
moving on from this topic
sand umbra
thank you.
ashen warren
In previous versions this was not happening, a recent update seems to have bugged the boses to randomly teleport not desync not lag trust me I would know if it was lag.
keen geyser
you are playing on a multiplayer server
terse rain
What you’re describing is symptoms of lag
ashen warren
Anybody who knows about computers and can help ping me
keen geyser
please?
void kelp
you can desync solo if you’re playing on a dedicated server
sand umbra
okay that's it I need something to yank this topic onto something sugg-related
before I blow a gasket
quick, somebody give me something to make a sugg about
void kelp
uhhhh
keen geyser
uh buff ark of the cosmos :kappa:
dusty stirrup
suggest another exo sword
sand umbra
brb making Scarlet Devil nerf
ashen warren
guys here's a really specific sword for shadowspec tier but you should add it because it's from an anime and anime is cool!!
dusty stirrup
:/
sand umbra
:/
distant gyro
haha sword
swift bison
the thing is, buff exoblade is actually valid
distant gyro
No
swift bison
it's worse than both ark and ataraxia when i tested
distant gyro
Have you landed the comets
ashen warren
aiming?
ashen warren
in my melee playthrough?
swift bison
good luck getting them to appear outside of heart phase
keen geyser
buffing exoblade would be dangerous i would say
ashen warren
haha
zenith hazel
aim and hope
distant gyro
swift bison
sand umbra
having to aim at exo-tier is a joke so funny I forgot to laugh
keen geyser
nah dude just turn on homing skulls
hearty yew
@ashen warren as the person who made axe of purity a viable weapon, get me a video of it obliterating bosses and I can assure you it'll be nerfed into oblivion
hearty yew
anyone can make the video
keen geyser
the big guns have arrived
hearty yew
IDC who it is
distant gyro
Axe of Purity speedkill eh
hearty yew
just make the video, @ me here and send it (or report it as a bug in #bugs-read-pins) and I can assure you someone will nerf it within a week
distant gyro
hearty yew
calamity has zero tolerance for bosses being trivialized with the exceptions of king slime, desert scourge and profaned guardians
hearty yew
??? what
ashen warren
dusty stirrup
swift bison
echcease
sand umbra
if I get it to speedkill half that fast I'll kill it myself
elder mist
begone, thought
ashen warren
wow flexing your kool kids klub server eh
sand umbra
swift bison
thought purged
sand umbra
(except not really because I have more important shit to worry about than Axe of Purity lole)
distant gyro
ashen warren
lol
distant gyro
tfw people be recommending forsaken saber and clam crusher and shit
Then there's thE Axe
dusty stirrup
Clam has moist points
hearty yew
the pre plantera meta keeps getting turned on its head every 3 months cause mech bosses are horribly overbuffed and it's flavor of the month new item to kill them easily
or at least easier
distant gyro
(last time I try axe it was balanced though what it up with that speedkill)
elder mist
how the fuck is axe of purity broken
does the right click ignore iframes or something
that's the only way im seeing that being anywhere near powerful
keen geyser
pretty sure he's overestimating its damage vs segmented enemies
distant gyro
the right click attack pierces but has short range
elder mist
distant gyro
if anything chases the dust then it takes good damage
elder mist
isnt stormbow still better for piercing options vs destro and AS
distant gyro
no idea
elder mist
and that thing still takes at least some time to kill
distant gyro
I'll have to see for myself some time
But 15 seconds aquatic scourge sounds impossible that's for sure
zenith hazel
inb4 using rage
zenith hazel
or frost maybe
distant gyro
Probably frost
keen geyser
so frost and accessories?
ashen warren
all menacing maybe
distant gyro
frost + frozen wings though
zenith hazel
but frozen wings exist to boost frost too
flame wings also exist to boost melee even further
distant gyro
Don't forget wings synergy eat pant now
keen geyser
i mean like, which accessories. I don't feel like going through them all 
distant gyro
Flame wings are post mech
zenith hazel
just kill a mech then
meager lichen
Luxor's gift?
Wait nvm
Yeah the build seems relevent, Ambroisial Ampuole seems questionable but it is mostly relevent
tired haven
Wingslot compensates I guess
keen geyser
yeah
i have frozen wings there
this is 15 seconds of hitting all segments with AoP
expert mode
void kelp
what dps do you get?
keen geyser
rage plus adrenaline :kekw:
meager lichen
Good, not overpowered
keen geyser
wait lemme see
3k
by hitting literally all segments
which, doing so would get you killed
zenith hazel
if you somehow get adrenaline in 15 seconds in early-hardmode then you might be on a weird kind of drug
meager lichen
AS pierce resist covers the damage
keen geyser
yeah
meager lichen
Idk bout destroyer
meager lichen
Agreed
hollow shell
@ashen warren Can you give us some info about how you were able to melt those bosses with Axe of Purity?
What gear you were using, your buffs, etc?
ashen warren
inb4 souls
hollow shell
(I honestly don't expect him to respond. Umbrella never responds to pings.)
hollow shell
I know him, lol
and by 'I know him'
I mean that I know that he doesn't respond to pings, and that's it
keen geyser
destroyer 30 seconds, standing still hitting most segments that he lets you
meager lichen
Yeah, not fantastic
tired haven
Now try to actually dodge and see the kill time become 2 minutes 
keen geyser
yeah
let me see, AS DM
15 seconds, dm as
same items, same strat. Gonna use rage and see if it changes
meager lichen
It doesn't seem like AoP is really that powerful against worms. Sure it's decent but by no means an AS 15 sec kill
keen geyser
its ai is being fucky tho
circling me just like pluto does the sun
but yeah, i think we've debunked that
ashen warren
what if he plays on normal
keen geyser
can't, he specifically claimed to be in dm
ashen warren
hmm
zenith hazel
if he's using dm rage then ofc it'd look like it's op
meager lichen
False accusations towards power level
keen geyser
and yes i did have the buff to rage from crabulon
zenith hazel
ok it might be a little strong for AS but there's no way it can kill it in 15 secs
so this guy needs to backup his claims somehow, which is unlikely considering he doesn't read pins like what Rover said
keen geyser
his claim for destroyer is just bs tho
wild yoke
One modification to the previous suggestion: maybe make crates a little rarer, so that calamity does not make the vanilla mistake of letting fishing jarringly skip grinding or progression
royal turtle
karmic stone
They're saying that the intended skipping is a mistake
shell lynx
I like getting crates for the ores so I don't have the awful 33% chance to spawn a random corruption/crimson or hallow block in your world
queen sail
Crates are already pretty uncommon
Well, biome ones, anyways
Wood/Iron/Golden Crates are a different story 
gusty geode
The item that almost always drops
From literally the only enemy that spawns in pre-hardmode Space in vanilla
And is given exactly 1 friend by Calamity
Is annoying to farm
gusty geode
Also I could've sworn there was such thing as an ice crate
sand umbra
Fargo's Mutant thing
gusty geode
Yeah, just checked the wiki
I was wrong
umbral mulch
"And you get a crate, and you get a crate, and you get a crate, and you don't get a crate!"
teal ibex
you would think one of the most prominent biomes, the first one nearly every terraria player finds, would have a great
and you would be wrong. 
hey look suggestion results. i'm gonna start pinging the people associated with each suggestion so nag me if you don't want to be pinged for these.
sand umbra
self-ping
teal ibex
it's only fair. 
don't worry, i'll double self-ping in the next set. it's only up from there
hollow shell
@jagged mountain Might wanna clarify that you mean the new boss checklist
solemn flame
jagged mountain
@hollow shell Sorry about that. I just fixed it
hollow shell
Thank you
sand umbra
wasn't something like this sent literally less than a week ago
i.e. isn't this a bluecheck
hollow shell
Yes, hence the bluecheck.
wild yoke
cryogen exists
cobalt rose
(thats the boss)
quick ice
Snow, Hell, Crags and Hallow all suck so I wouldn’t mind any and all of them being expanded
sand umbra
I have my own plans for at least two of those
but also I wholeheartedly agree holy fuck
hollow shell
@wild yoke That last sentence looks like it's supposed to have a "but" afterward
wide flicker
Wasn't this a suggestion a few weeks ago?
hollow shell
ah, there it is
wild yoke
sorry, my shift key is a little wonky sometimes
wide flicker
I see
wild yoke
I wonder if anyone ever read this:
random flume
must... press.... button.....
hollow shell
@fast monolith Ice one sounds like Thin Ice
which tbh is already a trap, if you don't have Ice Skates/Frostspark
fast monolith
I mean. Fair
But still, we don't have many unique traps for Terraria
Just the basic Dart, Boulder, and Explosion
hollow shell
Don't forget flame geysers
hollow shell
because they sure do
exist
fast monolith
Ik
hollow shell
New traps would be nice
fast monolith
Yea
wide flicker
Something new to keep you on your toes
fast monolith
It'll also be more fun for the Mechanics of Terraria to experiment with
wide flicker
Imagine the new farms people would make too
fast monolith
I feel like Calamity would be the only mod yo actually do that sorta thing.
hollow shell
@gilded pike Those two are pretty unrelated to each other. Dye is suggested somewhat often so you could remove that part, and expand upon why you want cultist vanity / why it'd be a good idea.
gilded pike
good idea
hollow idol
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this specific
hollow shell
It's borderline
It... may be
But it's based on an existing enemy and they don't specify a crafting recipe or anything like that
and it's just vanity, there's no armor effects
tired haven
(or the fact it could be just a drop like cultist robes)
gusty geode
Would it cause too many problems if "specific items" was changed to "specific weapons or accessories"
Cuz iirc those were like 99% of specific items
hollow shell
Yeah they don't even mention obtaining
tired haven
This suggestion grazes specific a bit but honestly isn't one
hollow shell
Why would we allow specific armor suggestions
hollow idol
"it's just vanity"
Time to suggest aero slime mask
gusty geode
Tbf mod is slightly lacking in that department
And even if you do have plans, no harm in letting people say what they'd wanna see when that problem gets addressed
hollow shell
I mean sure yeah if you (somehow) have the reasoning to back that up
Aero Slime mask.
sand umbra
Aero Slime mask.
hollow shell
We are indeed lacking in armor
but I feel like specific armor suggestions have a much lower likelihood of implementation than specific weapons/accessories due to the effort required
and the latter was already implemented very not often
hollow idol
It was in the early days
gusty geode
Could just get a bunch of Calamity-themed costumes and dump them in the Goodie Bag loot table
hollow idol
but I still feel like this suggestion is specific, + vanity basically never gets added
the only instance in recent times I can think of is AS trophy
gusty geode
Why wouldn't a boss have a trophy anyway
Kinda part of being a boss, gotta have both a trophy and a mask in your list of drops
hollow idol
also profaned guardian trophy when, only non superboss without one
hollow idol
AS trophy got added
sand umbra
when the fuck did AS get a trophy
hollow idol
few updates back
sand umbra
why have I been misled in such a manner
alright then I don't care anymore add whatever you want
the best trophy for the best boss got added
gusty geode
Why isn't that an emote in this server
gilded pike
why isnt that an official discord emote
hollow idol
something something adding emotes to this server is ech
tired haven
why the offtop, more like 👀
don't mind me, I'm just trying to formulate why specific items were banned in first place
hollow idol
because when you do them, stuff like crimsaber happen. Yes Crimsaber was a specific item suggestion
tired haven
Was it?
Can't find that one suggestion, unless it was removed
tired haven
Damn, that's really old stuff
That being said, there was like only 1 weapon removed in ages, so the probability of that being solely due to specific suggestion is microscopic
Not that I try to defend specific suggestions tho, they barely get implemented in first place and that's the real issue with them
hollow idol
iirc it was reworked
tired haven
Has been like 2.5 years, so yeah, pretty likely
sand umbra
Crimsaber existed
except it was mediocre by whatever standards it was held to so it got yeeted later
rip
hollow idol
Demonic pitchfork, Alpha ray line, and shadecrystal were also specific items
hollow shell
I don't think pre-Discord or pre-wiki stuff really applies at all anymore
So, so long ago
s'neat trivia tho
fervent citrus
Is calamity gonna support the boss checklist (boss highlight) mod in any future update?
Might be a dumb question
void kelp
I believe it’s being worked on
hollow shell
It is
fervent citrus
Cool
fast monolith
Yeah that... doesn't seem very related to the set
distant gyro
@steel raptor wait why the fuck would a gun be sold by the dryad and not the dealer
hearty yew
It's arms dealer post QB
distant gyro
yes he does
the suggestion is to push it right as soon as you defeat a boss rather than post-bee
gritty flower
I like the summoner idea
hearty yew
What
gritty flower
She does?
distant gyro
Maybe 'Arms Dealer sell it while the Dryad is alive'
hearty yew
Calamity doesn't do that, wtf?
I like that idea altix
Especially since it's a jungle gun
distant gyro
But in no way should the Dryad sell it
hearty yew
if dryad is alive arms dealer sells boomstick
distant gyro
since she's not a gangster gunner
zenith hazel
why dryad when witch doctor
gritty flower
why witch doctor when it could be sold by Fabsol
zenith hazel
because that’d lock buyable boomstick to hardmode
distant gyro
The dryad doesn't sell Boomstick, the Arms Dealer does
gritty flower
It’s also completely opposite the purpose of Cirrus’ shop
distant gyro
you get what I mean yet
@steel raptor I suggest you change the condition to 'Arms Dealer sell it while the Dryad is alive'
gritty flower
@steel raptor did a new version of the texture pack come out?
distant gyro
(and ye]
steel raptor
I'm editing the sugg brb
Alright I changed it to getting the Boomstick after killing EoC as well as from the Arms Dealer because I was dumb for thinking that the Dryad sells it
Sorry about that.
hearty yew
:+1:
karmic stone
@tidal bough
Why
This could be more of a thing when planetoids used to screw up with old worlds, but now they don't do anything wacky, so why
tepid root
didnt somebody at some point suggest a config for planetoids because they caused "lag" 
tidal bough
Some people may crash when generating their world's.
steel raptor
I never crash when creating worlds
It could be a problem if you are using other mods that interfere with world generation (mainly structures that generate in the sky)
Me, the only content mod I use is calamity
gritty flower
I use lots of content mods and I’m just fine Computer explodes in background I needed a new one anyway
ashen warren
@keen geyser You asked for my gear, so here it is:
Frost armor set
Legendary Axe of Purity.
All accesories menacing:
Power glove
MOAB
Frost Flare
Deific Amulet
Ranger Emblem
Tool time
Just now did I notice that I was using Luiafk item that rapidly increases tool swing speed. Sorry for that.
So, I did the test again, this time thrashed all Luiafk items/accesories, and swapped Ranger Omblem with Warrior Emblem. Gave Frostspark Boots in place of Tool time.
AS still takes me 20 seconds at most. Maybe it's just something about my game.
keen geyser
Are you using DM rage
ashen warren
Nope
Just hitting AS when it lines up.
Oh, I also have Cryogen lore for dashing. My bad.
keen geyser
Frost wings?
keen geyser
ye
bitter topaz
#help-advice-read-pins , please.
i don't see how this directly relates to any suggestion
keen geyser
?
keen geyser
foggy plover
ignore me your good
keen geyser
i'm debunking this @bitter topaz
bitter topaz
ah
apologies
keen geyser
This is AS after 3 full blown shots with AoP with all menacing and some extra damage from Even more modifiers even. Far more than 15-20 seconds are required to kill it
@ashen warren
ashen warren
I don't get it. I simply don't. I had thrashed all Luiafk items and used regular buffs instead, with same gear, and AS goes down before my Adrenaline reaches 7k. I'm playing Armageddon, so no, I did not get hit.
Must be something with my game.
World or character.
And you might say that I also have Even More Modifiers, which I have. However, all my extra modifiers are focused on ranged damage/mining speed only. I even unloaded that, tested again, with Calamity Mod ONLY. This time it took me about 25 seconds, so MAYBE I overreacted a little when making suggestion.
And before anyone says, yes, I'm doing that on Deathmode, Armageddon, even.
tired haven
It would be perfect if you link the video evidence, because otherwise we are in nothing but darkness of guesses
hollow saffron
more realistic than what
hollow saffron
@full wadi bruh read the pins
hearty yew
Clean this up
Immediate warn
No discussion
Why the fuck does it have so many reactions
hollow saffron
idk
ashen warren
@full wadi dont meme suggest
hollow saffron
someone spammed :the_face:
frank stratus
LOL
foggy plover
do you mean from the shiny stone?
hallow kraken
Sounds like a specific item
foggy plover
/including?
terse sundial
Wait isn't the shiny stone the expert mode golem drop
terse sundial
Why would it need a crafting recipe
tired haven
Gotta add 15 more recipes for "useless" expert items ig
hollow saffron
^
tepid root
grabity globe moment
terse sundial
@still cliff that second suggestion makes no sense to me
hallow kraken
Suggestion give upgrade for sleepy octodad reason it’s useless after the item’s tier
tired haven
before 
hallow kraken
Also because I want item give me item
still cliff
Bring back the Lorde
hollow saffron
^
still cliff
opal barn
Cease meming
hollow saffron
ok sorry
frank stratus
tired haven
foggy plover
Nick you trying to get muted?
still cliff
Sorry
terse sundial
what the fuck
ashen warren
im feeling a warn
terse sundial
leave it for now
tired haven
Either way, stalactites are just an unwanted annoyance terry go grab that in maso ex ngl and shiny stone is pretty fine as is. Not every item has to have an upgrade, and this one in particular has a niche up to post-DoG
fervent citrus
dodgy question but
is the brimstone elementals sprite getting changed in the next update?
green pumice
shiny stone doesnt need an upgrade, you can just switch it to heal up fast, and even then photo potions, draedons heart and the nurse exist
hexed ore
Whoops
hallow kraken
Very specific item
elder mist
frank stratus
keen geyser
are you trying to fight destroyer with no platforms and no potions?
using a copper shortsword?
keen geyser
bruh
sleek spear
@keen geyser is it easy?
elder mist
yes
keen geyser
easiest/second easiest mech boss
elder mist
prime is harder, twins is easier
keen geyser
i don't like twins, but they're probably easier
sleek spear
Prime should be harder, don't know what I'm doing wrong.
sleek spear
@keen geyser No, it's the green undodgeable lasers
keen geyser
what
elder mist
what kind of movement do you have
sleek spear
Frostspark?
elder mist
dash, wings, hook?
devout seal
do you not have the cryogen lore dash
sleek spear
Frozen wings
sturdy yoke
the green lasers should be relatively manageable
sleek spear
Dang it I need to use a hook
sturdy yoke
you don't really need to, you can get by just fine without one
elder mist
before making a sugma
sand umbra
what's funny is that despite not agreeing with the reason why this is a thing
I completely agree with the sugg itself
sleek spear
@elder mist Forgot
elder mist
frank stratus
forgot
keen geyser
i don't think they'd revamp any main vanilla features
devout seal
Also, if you're having trouble with Destroyer
farm cryogen, make kelvin catalyst
that weapon's good for him
elder mist
destroyer isnt gonna get changed because there's no way to change it without completely making it different from vanilla
sleek spear
Is there a deathmode destroyer fight on YouTube that sums up what I should be doing?
elder mist
he never came back
sand umbra
he left for milk and never returned
sade moments
elder mist
mine is old af
but can confirm i've done death destroyer with all 4 classes
that isnt summoner
sleek spear
@keen geyser Recent ones? Link?
sand umbra
my only real strategy for Desu is abusing the Dart Pistol with Cursed Darts
while running away on the Unicorn mount like a pansy
elder mist
all you have to do is just make sure that you know how the green lasers move, if you're worried then just abuse solid blocks
lasers dont pass thru blocks
sleek spear
@sand umbra About skeletron prime, the unicorn mount is important.
@elder mist Sure they don't pass through blocks???
elder mist
yes
elder mist
they pass through platforms ofc
sand umbra
when do the green lasers start
sand umbra
not you
sleek spear
Wait, maybe my version isn't updated
sturdy yoke
i don't have a brain tbh iirc
sand umbra
are they there from the start of the fight, Aggronite
sturdy yoke
oh
ruby cobalt
roll the wheel of "how outdated is this guy"
hallow kraken
Update
ruby cobalt
don't even spin it, just kick and and let it roll
sleek spear
Was destroyer nerfed???
hallow kraken
You’re using a version from 2 BC
sand umbra
yes
sturdy yoke
god i forgot about outdated mod memes
elder mist
a long while ago yes
sand umbra
a multitude of updates ago
gritty flower
I have a good suggestion I think.
ruby cobalt
give me your current version and I'll tell you how far behind you are
elder mist
brb deleting sugma
sleek spear
Haven't played in a while, just came in with a random question
frank stratus
that doesn't sound like a good idea
sand umbra
byeah, Rev+ Desu in latest is way less overtuned than he used to be
hallow kraken
golem
sleek spear
Is 1.4.2.111 the current version? (that's countless versions ahead of mine)
sand umbra
yes
hollow idol
what version are you using
hallow kraken
Referring to last paragraph of the suggestion
gritty flower
considering Golem is post-Plantera, I'd say he'd more drop Core of Sunlight
hallow kraken
Ravager does that
Golem drops sunlight essences
I shall now dig through changelogs
gritty flower
yeah, but I'm saying a boss that is available very early into Hardmode
hollow idol
or use the wiki
zealous ridge
yeah the new boss thing kind of broadens the scope of the suggestion so that less people might vote for it because of personal preference
i usually try to keep it more simple, because that's easier to digest and more people will find it agreeable the more concise you are
broadly speaking, at least
fast monolith
Damn, I'm kinda hoping my idea get put in
keen geyser
it's a little precise
quick ice
I'd like for the Golem to drop Essence of Sunlight, but since that's later in hardmode it wouldn't be as useful
hollow idol
but he does
gusty geode
Imo the easiest way out of this is to just
Make the other mech alts not drop essences anymore
Maybe make some more enemies drop it
Would Angry Nimbuses and Cloud Elementals dropping Essences of Sunlight be too big a stretch?
You'd be like
Clearing away the clouds to let the sun shine through
Or something
quick ice
they both already drop it
gusty geode
Oh
Shit
hollow idol
Yall dont know your sunlight drops
gusty geode
I don't
quick ice
Currently the Wyvern, Angry Nimbus, Shockstorm Shuttle, Sunbat, Sunskater and Cloud Elemental drop Essence of Sunlight
tired haven
Golem already drops sunlight
but oh well, it's not mech tier so
gusty geode
Just a thought
But wouldn't it make sense for Chaos Elementals to drop Essences of Chaos?
quick ice
maybe, but it's already dropped by Evil Biome Enemies so it's not as necessary
gusty geode
Checked the wiki and no it doesn't
hollow idol
Chaos is the infernal screeching souls of the damned from the underworld, not evil stuff
ruby cobalt
there are many types of chaos
gusty geode
Unless it's outdated
It says Crag enemies, Heat Spirits, Red Devils, DoppelCal and Brimmy
ruby cobalt
one of them is just burning alive
being warped from the inside and unstable as fuck is another one
hollow idol
wait since when did Red Devils drop chaos
gusty geode
radiant meadow
they have for a long while afaik
but chaos elementals dropping essence of chaos wouldn't make sense
ruby cobalt
it would make sense due to naming
ruby cobalt
and make absolutely zero sense if you look into it
radiant meadow
oh ye, they drop that don't they
quick ice
they do
ruby cobalt
they really do
quick ice
it's not listed there, but it is in the Corruption and Crimson biome pages
radiant meadow
wait
ruby cobalt
then we murder whoever changed the thing
radiant meadow
it might've already been removed
quick ice
oh
gusty geode
Tbh if world evil enemies did drop it
I'd make different ones do it so that players aren't always hunting for the same ones
Those already drop items the player needs
radiant meadow
when Fab redid essence drops so cinder no longer dropped in the desert
quick ice
Sunlight should drop from some desert enemies just to make it easier to get
radiant meadow
in sauce, it only says ichor stickers drop ichor spear and spear of destiny
quick ice
ok yeah, I'll fix those pages now then
gusty geode
Floaty Grosses would probably work for the Crimson
But idk what'd be best for the Corruption
Corruptors might work
But that'd make it easier to get it there than in the Crimson
Then again with Ichor just
Existing
Corruption needs all the help it can get to be a viable world evil
radiant meadow
or chaos just stays out of world evils
quick ice
that's the best option
the other essences are centralized in 1 biome with 1 boss and 1 enemy not from that biome
so it shouldn't change
although, Hallow could use some more drops/content in it since it's worthless as of now
hollow shell
@gritty flower Adding a new boss is out of the question, so you may as well just keep it to Aquatic Scourge
gritty flower
gotcha
quick ice
adding Essence of Sunlight to the Aquatic Scourge has been suggested before
gritty flower
really?
quick ice
yup, it's never kicked off and I remember the last time I saw it a dev tagged it as having been suggested before
hollow shell
That was before the bluecheck date got moved
The sugg that one was bluechecked for was from January
queen sail
Better add that to the don’ts
...now that i think about it wasn’t i the first one who suggested that AS drop essences of sunlight
I am
swift wadi
If I can think of anything, I can add a suggestion to rework Raider's Talisman right?
queen sail
If you’re gonna go into specifics, make it an example
tired haven
Reworks are permitted but vague idea with example is received better than specific change so ye
swift wadi
Hm alright, would throwing out ideas in the suggestion about what could be done but not formatting the sugg to be specifically around those ideas be fine?
Does that even make sense lol
teal ibex
this is less about the rules of suggestions and more about what works best
you could give an exact rework if you wanted to, there's nothing preventing you from doing that, but usually people see exact reworks and think of their own way of doing it instead
swift wadi
Ooh
teal ibex
so using more vague guidelines for changes rather than exact ones will get you more mileage
tired haven
Technically you can rework anything how you want, but there are a few good examples of how specific suggestions didn't get anywhere far, so be mindful
radiant meadow
reworks are fine, but it shouldn't be a super specific rework that is basically a new item
swift wadi
Alright ty
tired haven
The best is to discuss the suggestion in that channel before posting 👀
swift wadi
I'll probably post some ideas here first for discussion before posting the sugg, my main issue right now is that it's-
Bruh
ruby cobalt
tl;dr - rework = good
rework but it's an entirely new item that I use to bypass the "no specific items" rule = no
swift wadi
As I was saying before Crab read my mind lol
ruby cobalt
the gents here can mostly point out how stupid your idea is if it breaks any rules
so yeah, posting it here first is a good idea
swift wadi
It's such a pain to get to 100% that most the time, while I use it, it's probably giving me such a small damage boost that it doesn't matter, and if you log a lot for any reason it resets, so it become more or less useless again
There's 2 ways to use it, put it on and forget about it, giving you a semi decent damage boost at the near-end of your play session, or putting it on and critting mobs/easy bosses for a while, which isn't very fun
zealous ridge
you mean raider's?
hmm
ive found it to be a pretty substantial boost to damage, seeing as at it's maximum it's 10% more than the emblem
granted, it is less consistent
but even still, i found it relatively simple to build up the boosts
umbral mulch
I don't like that every time I relog I need to summon king slime and use something that does 2 damage to kill it to get raider's back
zealous ridge
that part of it is annoying if you really want to be a stickler about the damage boost, i guess
in all fairness, the accessory by nature does sort of encourage that
but at the same time, i found just having it on during a boss fight even without full charge gave me a boost because of the cumulative crits dealt towards the boss
(uh, i think rogue compatibility with vanilla items is in donts)
hollow shell
@cloud surge Unfortunately, that's in the Dont's document
Making vanilla items into rogue items
cloud surge
Ah sorry
sand umbra
(also because rogue weps use a different class than normal items but that's not the point here, it's extremely easy to make a new variant of the weapon in question)
hollow shell
In order to make rogue more distinct from melee or throwing
(which it needs help doing)
cloud surge
Should I delete?
hollow shell
yes
sand umbra
In order to make rogue more distinct from melee or throwing
I'm still stuck on how exactly y'all intend to do this without changing a lot of mechanics around it
because as of right now it's leaned out of throwing and more into "hangs out with melee or throwing depending on who looks hotter at the given point in progression"
zealous ridge
how do you define distinct?
cloud surge
Isn't it supposed to be throwing but its different because throwing is getting removed in 1.4
zealous ridge
yeah, throwing but with new mechaniks
cloud surge
Good throwing arm class
zealous ridge
well, that's a difficult question lmao
are you asking what the general image of rogue is in the dev's mind?
sand umbra
For the longest time the assumption has been that it is Calamity's throwing class but edgy.
And based around striking from the shadows.
sand umbra
Except now it's apparently defined as its own thing even though it's still basically a thrower class?
Thrower is not a complex concept to grasp.
You yeet something at the enemy until it dies.
zealous ridge
but either way youve basically got a discount ranger
and i think that's a pitfall, because that is so b o r i n g
sand umbra
It's up to the mod to add a few unique mechanics to keep it a bit more interesting, but that is what thrower class is as its core.
cloud surge
I thought rogue was throwing just a diff name because 1.4 says bye bye throwing class
zealous ridge
yeah, rogue is quite confusing
at least its classification is
and... thomas i guess i'm not exactly sure what youre asking when you say what is the rogue class
sand umbra
Rogue is confusing to me because it's hard to determine what exactly it is meant to be.
zealous ridge
well i think part of that is that it's currently WIP, so we may have to wait on the details
sand umbra
So what I'm trying to say is, does it actually intend to be the stealthy thrower? Or is it supposed to be something that isn't thrower despite everything existing for it thus far implying the exact opposite? Is it meant to be some complex amalgam of all the existing classes, and the one Re-Logic killed off at its time of greatest potential?
What is supposed to define Rogue as a "unique" class, if not the stealth mechanics and the ways they have been ironed out and expanded upon?
Because at the end of the day, given all the stuff we have available as material to draw from for how to classify it...it's still a throwing class.
There are multiple outliers, sure, but the primary focus of rogue is yeeting things at enemies.
zealous ridge
the way i see it, rogue is meant to have a "stop and go" pacing where rogue switches between building up stealth and dealing higher-than-average damage
but i don't feel like it's in that ideal state just yet, from a gameplay perspective
sand umbra
The primary focus of thrower in vanilla and other mods is yeeting things at enemies.
The big thing setting Rogue apart from normal thrower is that instead of spam-inducing, Rogue is meant to reward careful, strategic play with much more powerful attacks.
(And I agree with the idea! It's just that in its current state, it doesn't really work for Terraria's gameplay style.)
zealous ridge
thrower is just yeeting things at enemies, but that isn't functionally different from firing a bow or shooting a gun or throwing a boomerang in this game, so to speak
do you know what i mean when i say that? is that weirdly phrased?
sand umbra
I know what you mean. In the end it's all bootleg ranger and we all know that.
cloud surge
"Rogue damage is internally throwing damage"
This is on the wiki
sand umbra
But the non-ranger classes have mechanics that set them apart enough for the casual player to go "hey, this class is neat, I like it better than ranger for [XYZ] reasons".
Rogue has this to a point, but...I suppose the ultimate thing here is that it feels like it's. trying to be something it isn't, or at least that the game isn't really fully designed to work with.
I dunno, really. I know about as much about the devs' future plans for the class as y'all, so maybe I'm missing something.
But this is based on what I've observed, and all the content we've been getting for the class through the Rogue Expansion that's upon us.
zealous ridge
if im honest, i think stealth needs another rework lol
and i know that's kind of a buzzword, rework
cloud surge
Stealth is basically useless in bossfights
Cuz you gotta do the dodging thing and the doing damage thing
zealous ridge
but the way stealth interacts with rogue and his playstyle needs to be remedied somewhat as i see it
cloud surge
I've never used stealth even in exploring to take down enemies
zealous ridge
pre-hm and most of hm kind of get left in the dust, while post-ml doesnt have interesting enough rogue-based dynamics
with the exception of providence
cloud surge
And when I first saw rogue stealth I immediately thought "oh shroomite armor setbonus"
zealous ridge
my thoughts exactly
cloud surge
Probably the only time you can use rogue stealth is when you get something like the eclipse mirror
distant gyro
nah
zealous ridge
yeah, id have to disagree
cloud surge
I find it hard to charge it up otherwise
zealous ridge
that sounds like a memey strat
distant gyro
that was the unnerfed version so it's an exaggeration
unnerfed stealth ssb literally kill shit up to crabulon in less than 20 seconds
cloud surge
Things is I'd rather dodge and deal damage than be a sitting duck
cloud surge
What
sand umbra
I seriously think stealth could benefit from being more like Shroomite/Vortex stealth.
You double-tap a button to go into stealth.
Stealth has stronger effects based on accessories and armor sets, can only be used with a rogue armor set.
While in stealth, you have heavily increased rogue weapon use time and lowered defensive stats, but you can move around better (potentially with accessories), your weapons deal more damage, and some have special effects.
Just a random thought.
distant gyro
Spectral Veil - After you make a successful dodge, you gain full stealth
zealous ridge
isnt that like unobtainable tho
distant gyro
It is universally known that standing still in a boss fight generally sucks
cloud surge
How do you get Sylvan slasher tho
sand umbra
it's post-Provi
distant gyro
But ways to gain stealth without standing are coming
cloud surge
Ah you see
sand umbra
a.k.a. around the point where stealth from standing still actually becomes viable
zealous ridge
yeah like bruh
cloud surge
So you have to be a sitting duck for rogue stealth up until post provi
sand umbra
does anyone like my theory on how rogue stealth could work instead of the wonky system we have rn
a
distant gyro
It kinda ruins the point of standing still if you can gain stealth without standing still
But eh
also invis pot with dagger + abyssal mirror + sheath btw
sand umbra
standing still universally sucks in Terraria
well, not universally
but in the department where Calamity prides itself --- boss fighting --- it is not a good idea
especially with many Calamity bosses yeeting themselves at player and barfing out projectiles rather often
distant gyro
It's also the reason shiny stone and draedon's heart suck in their stand for heal abilities
but yes
sand umbra
mhm
random flume
maybe like a scrape mechanic 
get close to the boss to build stealth or something
i mean i guess stealth should work in the opposite way actually
getting close to a boss isnt very stealthy
cloud surge
Despawn the boss for stealth
zealous ridge
there was this idea i had where stealth had a sort of placeable/temporarily placeable aspect where he could create areas of high stealth regen at the cost of being temporary, or on a cooldown, or draining once activating a stealth strike
like here are some ideas
-blinding powder (thrown item that increases your stealth when landed on an enemy)
-ink geyser (massively increases stealth regen when in a small area, lasts 3 seconds)
-ghost candle (projects a ghostly field that greatly increases stealth regen, but partially extinguishes (33%) every time you activate a stealth strike when within the field, forcing you to micromanage it)
like, stuff similar to that
cloud surge
I like that ghost candle idea
random flume
ghost candle seems cool
maybe not placeable but throwable and sticks to whatever block you hit
cause placing blocks during a boss is aids
zealous ridge
sand umbra
see, here's what'd make things a lot easier to manage with something more like Vortex stealth:
it's a constant
there's no guesstimation of how much stealth a person is gonna have or use within a fight
it'd make balancing these effects much easier and would allow for a lot of creative ideas with how accessories, armor, and other things can affect and boost stealth
distant gyro
Flashbang
sand umbra
stealth in its current form is mana if the Mana Flower never existed
distant gyro
honestly :
What if Aggro and Proximity affiliated with Rogue as a mechanic in itself
zealous ridge
(i personally like that dynamic)
random flume
rogue weapons do more damage as you get closer
i think that would be kinda neat
related: make shortswords rogue
zealous ridge
distant gyro
Farther = More stealth, less damage
Closer = Less stealth, more damage
Deep Sea Dumbbell flex tbh
random flume
since stealth decreases aggro, you can get close and do a crazy high damage attack
like how rogues work
zealous ridge
making stealth a more impactful resource than it is currently is a great thing as i see it
queen sail
Honestly, thomas raised a point with that rogue question
And what it’s intended to be
And honestly, interesting combat mechanics can get negated due to Terraria’s combat system being completely straightforward and having a defining meta
Which is “Hold LMB in the direction of your enemies and watch them die”
hollow shell
Yeah
Even harder considering Terraria's a big open sandbox game with a ton of options in each tier, as well as a lot of randomness in terms of world generation and other factors
meaning it's hard to do anything really specific or well-designed in terms of enemy/boss behavior, like you can in Hollow Knight or etc
queen sail
Which is why I feel like it’d be easier if Calamity is its own game
hollow shell
Indeed
queen sail
If Terraria + Calamity was its own combat game, then we could get somewhere
Because we don’t have to deal with Vanilla Terraria’s simplicity
Though uhhh with bosses
I’d imagine you guys could do a lot more
Considering what other popular mods with bosses have done
(Infernium proves my point mostly)
hollow shell
Don't go pullin that argument if you don't want people to get mad at you
"Why isn't Calamity as cool as this other mod"
wooden wedge
Isn't cool subjective though
queen sail
mutant boss mutant boss
quiet abyss
(Infernum mode is still and will be in-progress for a long time considering how many bosses we will have to go through and how long each is gonna take to make up ideas for, code, test and polish)
sand umbra
Byeah, a lot of the complications effectively come from "how viable is this mechanic to use in the face of Terraria's very simplistic combat style?", a question that just about any new gameplay feature for a Terraria mod needs to ask itself.
And given how it works, rogue stealth in its current form --- to me, anyway --- just doesn't feel natural or viable to use because it in some aspects goes directly against the aforementioned combat style or at the very least tries to mess around with it in a way that ultimately doesn't work because of how Terraria works as a game. It requires standing still, a thing that is heavily discouraged by most Terraria-style boss fights especially in calamity, and at the end of the day it just doesn't really work out in rogue's favor.
I like the idea of stealthiness and rewarding skillful play with new things and higher numbers as much as the next person, but the fact of it remains that rogue stealth very heavily goes against how most Terraria bosses, vanilla or modded, are designed.
queen sail
Sylvan slasher was probably made for that sole purpose tbh
Because movement is a necessity for every post ml boss
Stealth feels weird because of how it’s designed
Stealth is built by standing still; makes sense (especially since vanilla has a similar mechanic already), but it goes against the game’s nature of combat
sand umbra
And this point is exactly why I brought up Vortex stealth. It's a pre-existing mechanic in the game that, while perhaps not the most balanced thing on the planet, is designed with Terraria's generally hectic style of play in mind. It'd arguably be easier to balance for everybody involved, and it'd open up a whole new slew of possibilities for ways to diversify stealth as a mechanic while keeping it viable in the sense of "move around or die".
queen sail
So eventually this is remedied by other ways to build stealth, such as the sheaths and sylvan
Though it kinda muddies how stealth is supposed to be built
sand umbra
I can probably make a nice write-up on this eventually, I've already got ideas in my head right now.
zealous ridge
i dont think the problem is standing still
sand umbra
It's one of the issues.
zealous ridge
i think the problem is standing still for so long
sand umbra
byeah
queen sail
2 years pass