suggestions-discussion

[queen sail]

[steel raptor]

some calamity spriters also do sprites on ctp tho

[queen sail]

Yes

[tired haven]

ok?

[queen sail]

And none of them are doing the boss sprites

[karmic stone]

But what do Levi and Yharon have to do with Ctp

[queen sail]

[steel raptor]

I'm saying that's what they may have been working on instead of yharon

[tired haven]

Personally I fail to understand what you try to imply
So far it looks like a circlejerk

[queen sail]

You know

Spriters are people, right

[steel raptor]

I'm saying they may have more fun respriting multiple vanilla items for the ctp than respriting a single boss.

[queen sail]

You know what

[karmic stone]

You asked why Yharon is taking so long, and your only conclusion is that they're busy working for Ctp stuff

[queen sail]

Just

[steel raptor]

yharon's sprite is massive

[queen sail]

Fuck it

[karmic stone]

Because they have nothing else to do right?

[steel raptor]

that is along with the lack of motivation

[queen sail]

Here’s a fucking chicken

[karmic stone]

Wings go flap flappy flap

And they have to animate that

[queen sail]

And she has to do the dashing animation

[tired haven]

32x32 static images vs like 200x200 animated creature extremely picky to quality
Gotta guess why the latter takes ages longer

[steel raptor]

I can imagine respriting a single boss can be boring in comparison to respriting multiple items (both in Calamity and ctp) because there's more variety in respriting many items than just one.

[teal ibex]

let's not forget that calamity spriters get paid approximately zero dollars

[steel raptor]

^

[tepid root]

no animations, big standing thing dashes at you with light speed

[steel raptor]

Fabsol gets all the Patreon money

[teal ibex]

calamity sprites are a volunteer system and have to come after the necessities in the spriters lives, and only if they feel the motivation after the fact to do so

[steel raptor]

or does he?

[queen sail]

Commit communism

:communism:

[void kelp]

I’m sure if it was wanted immediately, the artists could be commissioned

[karmic stone]

Furniture also takes alot of time to sprite

[teal ibex]

this is arguably the most awkward timing for a furniture set suggestion i've seen

[karmic stone]

[tired haven]

Not that awkward given the trending ideas bias

[quartz hare]

ok geniuses how to improve it in your opinion

[teal ibex]

yikes.

[karmic stone]

Chill

[teal ibex]

i'd start by improving your attitude.

[karmic stone]

(Already offended h)

[void kelp]

your suggestion isn’t innately bad, just very poorly timed

[karmic stone]

This is semi-like saying "Resprite X boss", except it's not that obvious

But I'm p sure BFlare furniture and stuff is going to be a thing eventually

Emphasis on eventually

[tired haven]

It doesn't need improvement, it's just that "add x that majorly relies on spriting" isn't very effective

That's the main bottleneck of development right now

[teal ibex]

it has no priority because furniture is a pretty major sprite set with a pretty low general demand from people.

that being said, it pretty much always goes through in suggestions because it hurts absolutely nobody ever to add furniture, so it just gets 90 stars, a thumbs up, and then nothing changes because spriters -- like mentioned above -- aren't getting paid and just work on the mod when they're feeling inspired enough

i still frankly think sprite related suggestions should be added to the don'ts document because they're built upon the assumption that suggesting sprites will make them happen sooner which just really isn't true as far as i understand

[quartz hare]

but maybe someone will sprite them

[teal ibex]

i guess you missed my point, in that case

[tired haven]

Won't mind them being added to the doc ngl
Either way the only type of suggestions being majorly implemented is convenience fixes on individual items/enemies (like "add copper hammer to starting bag to complete the starter tool set")

[teal ibex]

the only time in my memory that i can remember a sprite suggestion that worked out and was fairly reasonable was the addition of furniture to begin with. it got suggested a handful of times and it was enough for somebody to finally decide to make some sets and then troubleshoot them for a while. now that they exist, it's a foregone conclusion that more will exist, it's just a matter of when somebody feels the drive to make them

@hollow shell if you could peek stuff in here at some point that'd be sick btw

[hollow shell]

Hm?

[teal ibex]

given the state of how spriting actually works in calamity and how rarely suggestions impact them, wouldn't it make sense for them to be on the donts doc?

at least for planned sprites, requesting new sprites for new stuff makes enough sense

though it might even be wise to ban new ones but idk what your take on it is

[frail mantle]

imo sprite suggestions should be don'ted unless they're things like "resprite x to be more consistent with y because z"

[teal ibex]

yeah consistency is probably worth suggesting over

[void kelp]

maybe add “resprites for reasons outside of consistency” to the doc

[tired haven]

Seems a tad arbitrary tbh
After all, bloodflare furniture is also a consistency thing

Though it's a new sprite and not a resprite

[void kelp]

true

[hollow shell]

You could argue that a Levi or Yharon resprite is quality consistency...

[teal ibex]

i'd rather solve some of a problem than none of it

[tired haven]

But resprites are naturally a new sprite too

And ye lol

[teal ibex]

how about something like "Resprites for the sake of thematic consistency are allowed, other sprite related suggestions aren't"

or some twisting of that phrasing

[green pumice]

well since rover is here i might aswell ask is suggesting a craftable demon altar crafting station ok

[hollow shell]

It already exists in like every other mod

Sure Calamity could get one too but like

... there's so many

[tired haven]

It's for better to just prohibit all sprite suggestions imho if we go for that at all

[green pumice]

some people seem to not find any of them

[teal ibex]

well nah i think stuff like the sulphurous sea bg and bubbles were super valid

since the theme of the biome changed and some stuff was forgotten

[tired haven]

Sprite mistakes belong in bugs channel anyway

And mhm

[teal ibex]

i guess that could go into bugs, true

[hollow shell]

That's a pretty loose application for "bugs"

[tired haven]

Well, your example is valid actually and it does not belong to a bug

I meant things like random black dots

[void kelp]

visual bug?

[hollow shell]

We don't get suggestions about those, do we?

[tired haven]

Pretty sure there were things like that reported
Not suggested

[void kelp]

some folks have suggested it but were redirected to bugs

[hollow shell]

I see

[teal ibex]

also while we're here i might as well get the last 6 older suggestions marked since i don't think the results could possible be altered at this point

did somebody ask for a suggestion results roundup

https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/655602017934245909 🚫
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/655823493761466371 👍
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/656528832882540559 👍
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/656697292635766784 👍
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/656792807536853022 👍
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/656911533720469504 👍

too bad there's one anyway

[void kelp]

hec has a lasso and is sending all the sugmas

[teal ibex]

felt cute, might delete later

[queen sail]

Wormtique

[sand umbra]

why have I been summoned

[queen sail]

Ummmm

Oh

[sand umbra]

fucking
was I ghostpinged

[queen sail]

The guy you were talking to about dergs said that the dergs attack dummies

[distant gyro]

probably

[queen sail]

Fsr

[sand umbra]

anywho, let's see the results--

Lazinator move is seen positively by the devs

hot diggety

[teal ibex]

i was gonna send more but there's only one to send and my crate suggestions aren't at 90 yet haha

i'll send em tonight instead and then we're caught up gamers

[queen sail]

Lazinator was always weird for me

[sand umbra]

Lazinator's always been wonk for me

[queen sail]

Here’s omg cool ref wep that you can get right after you get the wep you need to make it

Like all it needs is a couple of victory shards iirc

[sand umbra]

Calamity has quite a few of these scenarios, but Lazinator is one in particular that stands out to me

[queen sail]

Conclave

[sand umbra]

requiring only the Laser Rifle, 7 Victory Shards, and a Mythril/Orichalcum Anvil

Conclave Crossfire is also particularly sudden, what with the base weapon and the mats to upgrade it even coming from the exact same source

[queen sail]

seriously though why are there three total shotguns available from post plant dungeon

[sand umbra]

see there wouldn't be anything bad about them potentially being sidegrades

but these aren't sidegrades, these are direct and immediate upgrades from the vanilla items they're crafted from

[queen sail]

There’s an entire progression line for the dungeon shotguns in the exact same point of progression

And that shotgun post ml but who uses that

[sand umbra]

byeah

personally, for Lazinator I picked Midni-- ...er, sorry, Hallowed Bars in this scenario...and Souls of Sight. Simple recipe for a simple upgrade.

[queen sail]

Oh right

I forgot E rehauled mech boss bars to Midnight Steel (iirc)

And made Hallowed Bars smth else

[sand umbra]

Midnight Metal, ye
I'm so used to the EE setup now that I have to remind myself this is base Calamity and thus MM doesn't exist

[queen sail]

:pensive_rick:

[sand umbra]

either way, point still stands that it can just be post-1 Mech in general or smth. doesn't have to be a huge move, really

[tired haven]

tbh ngl souls of might because other two already have magic weps

[distant gyro]

giggity gaggity

rainbow rod kinda meme

and might is an easy get because cryopen and laser worm tbh

[tired haven]

Not sure if you are serious, but calamity-buffed rainbow rod was quite viable for mage on calamitas

(maybe because it's equally garbage on all other weapons but eh)

Might is an easy get, Megashark chuckles on all that situation for sure

Don't think it matters as long as lazinator isn't buffed majorly

[distant gyro]

what if lazinator requires ashes of calamity omegalul

[void kelp]

that’d probs warrant upgrading it

[queen sail]

Lazinator fires Calamitasity bullets that inflict Omega Hell Fire, which does 999 dps and does 10000 damage

Add pls thanks

[sand umbra]

tbh ngl souls of might because other two already have magic weps

...okay but shouldn't certain souls be better for certain weapon types anyway

also see the above argument

[tired haven]

They probably should but so far they just followed some abstract thematics

[hollow shell]

In vanilla you can barely get a clue
Sight makes 2 magic and 1 summon (makes the ranged armor on old-gen console)
Might makes 1 melee and 1 ranged (makes the melee armor on old-gen console)
Fright makes 1 ranged (makes the magic armor on old-gen console)

Takeaway:
Might = Melee mostly
and then, chaos.

... in Calamity:
Sight makes 2 ranged and 1 magic
Might makes 5 melee (2 are also rogue) and 2 ranged
Fright makes 2 melee and 2 magic and 1 rogue

Takeaway unchanged

[sand umbra]

yeah Calamity doesn't really iron it out any

[tired haven]

Honestly, from my experience it is best when all bosses have a tiny bit for each class than when they are strictly dedicated to a few classes, but so far yeah

[sand umbra]

I'm pretty sure that's exactly how we ended up with all those one-size-fits-all armors in the first place

[hollow shell]

which, may I reiterate, are boring and work against playthrough variety

[sand umbra]

you and me both, Rover
you and me both

[tired haven]

Armors are a different case than weapons, to be fair. They do not affect your playstyle drastically in most cases, so being stuck with one is less impactful

[hollow shell]

They should have more of a gameplay impact

[tired haven]

Well, they do, but only stats wise anyway, which is blergh. Most non-stat set bonuses are for some reason dismissed unless blatantly op

ft. palladium and titanium

[sand umbra]

that's because the blatantly OP ones make any others completely irrelevant

let's not get that twisted

[ruby cobalt]

orichalcum is kinda good tho

but not as good

[distant gyro]

if you get cobalt mythril adamantite then you're fucked

[tired haven]

Pierce iframes so not that good tbh

[ruby cobalt]

geee, what is this, powercreep in my game

[tired haven]

Also meta slavery

[sand umbra]

powercreep? in MY Terraria?

it's more likely than you think.

[hollow shell]

*in MY Terraria

There you go

[sand umbra]

[hollow shell]

Terraria is made of powercreep

[sand umbra]

mhm

Calamity does have its own powercreep issues, but Terraria's bread and butter in Hardmode in particular is having one or two entities that make everyone else irrelevant

[umbral mulch]

And it's PvE so no one really gives a fuck

[tired haven]

I do, fite me

[sand umbra]

see also: Holy Arrows, Chlorophyte Bullets, Spectre armor

[umbral mulch]

So do I

See also: Palladium, Titanium, Orichalcum

[sand umbra]

Titanium in particular is actually retarded to balance against

[hollow shell]

See: All 1.0 items when 1.1 came out
See: All 1.1 items when 1.2 came out
etc and so forth

[umbral mulch]

LOL

[tired haven]

And then there is forbidden armor that is just... wack

Have yet to see anyone use tornado set bonus on camera

[sand umbra]

Forbidden armor is the rare instance of an actually balanced and unique set

except it is made irrelevant by literally everything else

including Spider armor

[tired haven]

Is it balanced if it's worse for mage-summoner hybrid, the intended class of use, than dedicated class armors?

[ruby cobalt]

it is

because it's a hybrid class

[sand umbra]

^

[tired haven]

No, like

[ruby cobalt]

the problem is, why would you go for a hybrid class, when it's fucking garbage

[tired haven]

It is more benefical for hybrid to use either of class armors than to go for forbidden

[ruby cobalt]

yes

[sand umbra]

because the respective class armors blow Forbidden out of the water

ft. Titanium mage

[tired haven]

So it has no niche at all

It's not balanced

[ruby cobalt]

see

it's balanced for the hybrid class

the fact that everything else shits on it doesn't make it less balanced

[quartz hare]

yes

[ruby cobalt]

that just points out that everything else is out of balance

[tired haven]

Underpowered stuff also does exist, mind you
I'd expect adamantite/spider to be the golden middle of armor balancing, as simpliest armor sets

[ruby cobalt]

see, they were the golden middle

keyword is were

[sand umbra]

~~Titanium be like

"fuck your balancing you get a free dodge"~~

[left crest]

i remember the pain of 1.2 mobile trying to beat destroyer in admantite armor with excalibur

that was fun

[tired haven]

the pain here was excalibur, not adamantite set ngl

[left crest]

true melee hour

[tired haven]

Yeah

[left crest]

eventually i farmed for shadow chest drax and got chloro sword

because why did they make shadow chest drax a thing like what

[ruby cobalt]

mobile moment

reminding you that mobile was outsourced

[tired haven]

Mobile 1.2 whole existence was questionable

funny how this whole convo did evolve from the distribution of weapons souls-wise

[sand umbra]

thaaaaaaaaaaaat's suggs discussion!

[ruby cobalt]

sugma disc

[tired haven]

AdD lazinator to souls of might gang

that's my sugma (not really)

[sand umbra]

ADd Lazinator to Souls of Sight moments

[tired haven]

[green pumice]

[quartz hare]

🧱

[frail mantle]

Replace the Seashell Boomerang in the recipe for the Terra Disk with the Brimblade
Reason for this suggestion: The Brimblade is very similar to the Terra Disk in function, with both being boomerangs that create extra projectiles when enemies are near/when it hits an enemy. However, the recipe for the Terra Disk calls for a Seashell Boomerang, which only shares with its upgrade the fact that they're both boomerangs. Also, it feels weird to me that a pre-boss weapon gets an upgrade that's locked behind Plantera.

[sand umbra]

alternatively: straight add the Seashell Boomerang to the T-Disk's recipe

something that's been bothering me for a while is that all of the Terra weapon recipes are fantastically simple

[tired haven]

Time to remember some funny prehm wep in exo recipe

[hollow shell]

Ah yes I can't believe we forgot to straight add the Seashell Boomerang to the T-Disk's recipe

We just normally added it

[sand umbra]

oh

fucking

okay I'm retarded

[queen sail]

200 iq moment

[quartz hare]

bruh moment

[queen sail]

Also yes why are the terra recipes so simple

[sand umbra]

Brimblade. I meant add Brimblade to T-Disk recipe

listen I already spent my brain power on that Necro Beacon sugg last night

[queen sail]

Terra Ray needs 1 wep you probably already have and living shards

[sand umbra]

I don't need this abuse

byeah, adding Brimblade to the Terra Disk's recipe would be pretty neat

[hollow shell]

It could have both Seashell and Brim
but
it'd be a bit weird in terms of consistency with the other Terras

[sand umbra]

the other Terras aren't consistent with the original Terra in the first place

[tired haven]

In that term Terra Blade does not go too far
2 weapons, one of which you already have and another you craft from required bosses anyway

[sand umbra]

Terra Blade's recipe isn't too complex, sure

but it consists of a fairly large tree

[hollow shell]

The Swords and shiv have a True Hallow and True Evil
All the others are just Living Shard upgrades of one weapon

... well

[tired haven]

Well, ray in particular follows the 4 weapons-in-1

[hollow shell]

Terra Ray has a non-true Evil

yeah

[sand umbra]

Terra set is just really weird consistency-wise in general

[hollow shell]

and uhh

yeah

it's weird

[sand umbra]

some recipes are sufficiently complex

[queen sail]

Add a Hallowed Staff or smth

Idk

[sand umbra]

others are stupidly simple

[hollow shell]

Cosmic Bolter doesn't use Hallowed Repeater

[tired haven]

Hallowed staff I'm down for, heh

(also broken hero staff harhar)

[sand umbra]

also while we're on the subject
why is Cosmic Bolter the outlier here as far as naming conventions go

[hollow shell]

But Cosmic Bolter does use Hallowed Bars, I just notice

[queen sail]

Just use broken hero sword smh

[tired haven]

consume thorium

[hollow shell]

Cosmic Bolter wasn't always Terra is why

[queen sail]

We’re gonna end up with thorium tier mothron bloat

[sand umbra]

broken hero items already died for this exact reason

[tired haven]

Yep

[sand umbra]

they're just collectively replaced with Broken Hero Fragments now

(which tbf is way easier to keep track of anyway)

[tired haven]

Your hero is broken, come repair them!

[sand umbra]

now for the low, low price of $4.99

(+ shipping and handling)

[queen sail]

Also is it me or are both lunarian bow and cosmic bolter for their tier

[tired haven]

Just you

[queen sail]

And planetary annihilation being way too fundamentally different

[hollow shell]

Planetary takes after Daedalus, its other ingredient

[sand umbra]

Planetary Annihilation makes about as much sense as the Daedalus Stormbow it's a direct upgrade from

(which is none)

(why can a bow fire arrows from nowhere when the bow itself isn't used at all)

[tired haven]

Well at least planetary is satisfying while not breaking the tier in half with bare hands

[sand umbra]

I mean

fair

[queen sail]

Gonna go from “shooty pew pew bouncy bolts that actually don’t bounce at all” to “daedalus but now actually intended to be ml-tier”

[sand umbra]

Planetary doesn't ruin every semblance of balance at its tier

[green pumice]

cosmic bolter is fucking amazing what are you talking about

[tired haven]

There was time when bolter was eh, but it was changed since

[green pumice]

^

i love it

[queen sail]

Is it decent now :echpeek:

[green pumice]

last time i used it, yes

[queen sail]

:echthink:

[frail mantle]

anyway is my suggestion acceptable

[sand umbra]

yes

post it

[ashen warren]

oh nice i got a 👍

this is a moment

[fervent citrus]

Is removing the second corruption/crimson generation upon defeating WoF a good suggestion?

[ashen warren]

wdym second generation

the V shaped thing?

[green pumice]

no

beacuse its probably hardcoded into the game

[fervent citrus]

well, the hallow generates, but not the corruption

[green pumice]

still no

[fervent citrus]

yeah, maybe it will be hard to program

[green pumice]

no

i mean impossible

[ashen warren]

what are you going to do with your complete lack of underground evil then

wait for it to spread downwards normally?

[fervent citrus]

but theres the 1st biome

[ashen warren]

it does not extend into the caverns

[scenic aspen]

Clem and corrupted somution exists

[fervent citrus]

and it reaches undergro- wut?

[ashen warren]

why the extra effort of acquiring clentaminator and the solution

[hollow shell]

It would be nigh-impossible to try and prevent one half of the V from generating

like unbelievably difficult

[ashen warren]

to acquire the resources usually gained easily

[fervent citrus]

oh

ok then

[green pumice]

itoldyouso

[ashen warren]

also that

[fervent citrus]

ithoughtsotoo

[green pumice]

you cant just remove a game mechanic that easily

[fervent citrus]

thanks, ive realized

[radiant meadow]

@frail mantle might want to note that Seashell used to be an ele disk component
Terra Disk just got wedged in between

[hearty yew]

why not just add brimblade to the Terra disk recipe instead of replacing

[hollow shell]

I said earlier that it would be inconsistent with the other non-melee Terra weapons that only upgraded one weapon

but the Terra recipes in general are so god damn inconsistent it's probably fine

[sand umbra]

the exact argument I made earlier, heh

[hollow shell]

We need more Nights weapons

[sand umbra]

we need more crafting trees for Terra weps in general

[placid girder]

yeah imo just add

[radiant pivot]

I do like the idea of a Nights rogue weapon tho

[ashen warren]

terra bow line when

[radiant pivot]

True

[ashen warren]

terra gun

[distant gyro]

terra bow already exists

but it's under another brand

[ashen warren]

haha yes

[distant gyro]

"cosmic bolter"

[hollow shell]

Terra bow line tho

[ashen warren]

also terra bow exists in thorium

because you made me look it up

[distant gyro]

lunarian bow is the night's bow

[hollow shell]

but where that true night's bow be at

[distant gyro]

true x kinda filler imo

[hollow shell]

Yeah pretty much

[distant gyro]

just add another ingredient to cosmic bolter and we dandy tbh

[ashen warren]

granted, blossom flux

[green pumice]

delet thsi

blossom flux is a good weapon and doesn't need an upgrade

[umbral mulch]

Why would you farm for the blossom flux when the P90 exists

[hallow kraken]

Imagine not having alt fire

[tired haven]

Drat is a "downgrade" so you are kinda right?

(it's not true and drat now is viable but I had to make this joke)

[ashen warren]

l o l

you still need to git gud to make it not suck though

so it sucks to me

[tired haven]

Well fair

[green pumice]

p90 is not fun

and you have to farm a shit ton of bullets to use it effectively iirc

[hallow kraken]

I feel like there’s a reason why magnum & friend’s ammo can’t be stacked a lot

[foggy plover]

There is

[viral marsh]

What is the reason? o.o

[hollow shell]

... for that last sentence, that's kinda your fault for forgetting to favorite them
It would be annoying if we made all healing potions unable to be quick stacked, when there's already a feature for you to prevent them from quick stacking

[foggy plover]

Its to make the weapons more tedious to use (dont know how to explain it better than that)

I guess now it doesnt need it

cuz they added a cap to the amount of times it could be used per battle

[viral marsh]

@hollow shell Yep, that last sentence is complety my fault xD, but, you dont know about you can fav items unless someone tell you about that, at least me, took me a few years of gamming to realising about that feature

@foggy plover When you are ranger, you use to have that "ammo slots" filled with the kind of bullets you want to use in certain following order, but once the magnum rounds start filling those slots automatically, it is just annoying, also, the more you progress, even more random ammo start filling your inventory, which stresses a lot since you have to take with you already a lot of stuff x.x

[foggy plover]

Thats kinda the point

Use OP weapons = have a downside

Though I dont really care for the concept of those weapons anyways so im not gonna comment on them ever again

[hollow shell]

Well the thing is Proud isn't using the OP weapons

The ammo is just filling his slots because it drops from every boss

[foggy plover]

Is it not still just the first time?

[hollow shell]

It is indeed the first time

but we have almost 40 bosses lol

[viral marsh]

Exactly xD

So if you never use the ammo for that certain gun, it end up filling your chests everywhere because the stack of the item is very low

Also, you dont want to "trash" the item because maybe you could use it in the future if a fight becomes really hard

[hollow shell]

(I recommend you just remove that last sentence that's in parenthesis, by the way)
(Kinda detracts from the focus of the suggestion)

[viral marsh]

Done, thank you buddy!

[foggy plover]

I see the point, it shouldn't exist, just its easily remedied by a lot of things (magic storage, trashing, having a buttload of chests) that most people dont have a problem with it

[viral marsh]

Also, same happens with the potions, sometimes you farm a lot the same boss to get an especific item, or maybe you just kill a boss who random appear (Like hive mind), the first thing you do is going to your house and quick saving items, so the previous potions you saved in the first chest you found, ends up with even more potions that you will never use because the low level of it

[hollow shell]

Magic Storage does help with that, but we shouldn't assume that anyone's using that

Chests must get filled to the brim with ammo, thinkin about it...

[viral marsh]

Also Magic storage is kinda complex to use if you had never used it

[foggy plover]

What is the point of having it now, it used to be a downside for being able to endlessly use the guns, but thats gone now so whys it still here?

[hollow shell]

Yeah it's odd

[foggy plover]

(also max stack + fixes it too)

[hollow shell]

I guess because you'd never need to have more than that amount in your inventory?

Even though...
storage

[viral marsh]

I once used max stack mod, but a lot of random stuff happened with the game such like ammo dissapearing or potions, it is not compatible at all

[swift wadi]

Do I do anything when my sugg hits 90?

I don't know if I'm meant to do anything lol

[vocal grotto]

Nah, a dev will take care of the rest when it hits 90

[swift wadi]

Oh okay, ty

It hit 90 so fast lol

[hollow shell]

Yeah damn
Not even a day

[ashen warren]

oh boy spam time

[wide flicker]

I personally didn't ever like the digger

Even though it wasn't meant to spawn in the dungeon

It still would

All the time

Hell, I remember that I killed Plant once and it immediately spawned and killed me

[ashen warren]

how long will it take to sprite these i wonder

hm

[hollow shell]

That's in the Don'ts doc, HP
Very frequently suggested

[gusty geode]

Aren't healing potions supposed to not be very stackable to avoid the player out-lasting the boss

[ashen warren]

i thought they could be stacked up to 30

[swift wadi]

30 is enough to outlast a boss lol

That's 30 minutes of pots

[umbral mulch]

You're probably gonna die before you outlast the boss if you need that many potions though

[ashen warren]

Tf

Just use max stack plus lmoa

Who doesnt use that

[umbral mulch]

Also that yeah

I use it

[zealous ridge]

in all fairness calamity does increase the stack sizes of certain items

like torches, as an example

[umbral mulch]

Fuck increasing them, make all of them 9999

[zealous ridge]

so it wouldn't really be out of left field so to speak

[umbral mulch]

Everyone's happy

[zealous ridge]

fair enough i suppose

there's no real reason not to

i think there might be a draw to smaller larger stack sizes, though

marginally, but still notable

[umbral mulch]

People are just gonna use the money trough

Make life easier

And don't

[zealous ridge]

what do you mean?

[umbral mulch]

If stack sizes are small they're just gonna use a piggy bank

Or carry a safe on them

Or both

[zealous ridge]

its not that the stack sizes are small, its that theyre smaller than around 10,000

and, yeah

but that arguably gives more use to piggy banks, which is good ... i think

unless i misunderstood

[round falcon]

so whats the general consensus on making suggestions to debloat the melee class

[zealous ridge]

discussing it? all for it

[umbral mulch]

It does but it also just makes life harder than it needs to be

[zealous ridge]

but posting actual suggestions is hard, because i dont know the general consensus of the community

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren Don't get too specific with it
You don't need to propose an exact recipe, and you don't even need to say they'd be 3x3, cuz that's not integral to the thing that you want, which is more storage space

[round falcon]

because tbh melee doesn't need all of those weapons. there's boomerangs, spears, yoyos, swords, shortswords, flails, and other miscellaneous weapons

[ashen warren]

ok

[hollow shell]

You could include increased size as a possibility maybe for balance reasons
but prolly shouldn't be in the topic sentence

[zealous ridge]

if you ask me, i agree with you doggo. there is so much melee content in this mod that the broadsword subclass is larger than the entirety of summoner, if im not mistaken

infact i think its as large as mutiple classes combined

[umbral mulch]

tfw a subclass is more fleshed out than an entire class

[zealous ridge]

but on that same note, it would be a lot of work for the devs to rebrand these weapons into new ones

its something we need to consider for the developer's sake

[hollow shell]

Fabsol has expressed a dislike for the idea that melee is bloated and that "bloat" is a bad thing
Removing content from melee is removing options and.. content in general

It'd be better to add more content to the other classes to bring their amount of options to melee's level, rather than try to hack melee down to theirs

[umbral mulch]

Also summoner has 0 items made from shadowspec bars

[zealous ridge]

okay, there's an honest sentiment there

[umbral mulch]

There's no reason for a summoner to kill scal

Unless you really want demonshade

[ashen warren]

lmao

[zealous ridge]

i think it's bloated in the way that it has noticably more content than others

which can be a good and bad thing honestly

[hollow idol]

something something we are getting a shadowspec summon soon™️

[hollow shell]

We are indeed

[civic pond]

[umbral mulch]

Soon™️

[ashen warren]

about the chest sugg

doesn't everyone use magic storage

[umbral mulch]

I do

[ashen warren]

except HP apparently

[keen geyser]

I don't either

[round falcon]

okay so would a suggestion in the general direction of "add less melee weapons" be better?

[hollow shell]

Eh

[ashen warren]

probably no because that's anti-feature

[zealous ridge]

eh, id perfer the wording of more of x content

[hollow shell]

I don't think we're really going to be adding many more melee weapons willingly

All our planned shit is rogue with some summoner and some magic, etc
very little melee
cuz there's enough melee

Unless
they're patron items, which we cannot avoid.

[round falcon]

alright

[zealous ridge]

rogue getting all this content over multiple updates has really got me thrown for a loop

like i thought the initial rogue update was all you guys had planned, but practically an entire subclass has been created since my initial playthrough

[hollow shell]

mhm

still more to come

[zealous ridge]

mutiple subclasses to rogue, even

[hollow shell]

like actually a lot more to come, still

[zealous ridge]

well ill hold off on future playthroughs until you guys are done with that

[swift wadi]

Rogue is still early in it's creation

iirc

[hollow shell]

I wouldn't say it's early anymore

[swift wadi]

Like, mid-way through ig

[ashen warren]

subclass is such a buzzword rn tbh

[zealous ridge]

its going through the development pipeline, basically

fair enough snekky

but an entire style of new weapons has been added for rogue since the initial update

that being spiky balls

and if you ask me i think rogue needs even more to really prosper...

not just weapons, but mechanics

and im sure devs have their own plans

but it would still be fun to see

[ashen warren]

stealth isn't good enough imo

[zealous ridge]

cannot agree more, snek

[hollow shell]

Hrm

[zealous ridge]

my problems with stealth are mostly that it is seldom useful pre-hm and almost all of hardmode

its really only until dark god's sheath can you start experimenting with it

and past that point, it's really fun to use

but before that point i almost never used it during bossfights because standing still for 3 seconds was never worth the extra damage considering the damage you lost by not attacking for 3 seconds

[hollow shell]

Doing a playthrough right now and it's pretty much just
Do one stealth strike at the beginning of the battle, and then constantly fire for the rest of the fight like any other class

[zealous ridge]

and that's why i dont like stealth

[hollow shell]

There is really not enough time to build up stealth even if I wanted to
and, yeah
the extra damage/effect is not worth losing 3 seconds of DPS

[keen geyser]

that seems a little too gimmicky to me

[ashen warren]

i feel like something similar to rippers

do something and it fills up

activate it for temporary stealth

[umbral mulch]

Stealth as a whole feels gimmicky honestly

Dark god's sheath helps a little bit

[ashen warren]

maybe you gain an amount of stealth based on damage

and you can enter stealth mode when the bar is full for consecutive stealth strikes

[swift bison]

regarding the newest sug. magic storage exists

[ashen warren]

but if you get hit the bar goes down

maybe not all the way because that'd be adrenaline 2

[swift bison]

calamity doesn't need to fix every aspect of QoL when there are other non content mods that already do so

[zealous ridge]

now, how i would like to see it reworked is a little idea ive had for a bit

how about rogue had a sort of placeable aspect to it, where you put down little "stealth fields" that massively increased stealth regen, but only covered a circular area. perhaps the placeables could be temporary or permanent but on timers. mechanics could be incorperated into an interesting dynamic where you play around your stealth fields

[keen geyser]

like shrouds

[zealous ridge]

yeah

[keen geyser]

that would be cool

imo

[umbral mulch]

That'd be incredibly hard to balance

[keen geyser]

^

[zealous ridge]

perhaps

[umbral mulch]

What's preventing people from just making their entire arena a stealth field

Can there only be 5 in a world?

How big are they

How much stealth do they generate

[zealous ridge]

timers, being active for only a short amount of time,

[umbral mulch]

How fast does it generate that stealth

[keen geyser]

lets say they last for X time pre-hm and it increases like siren's heart does

[zealous ridge]

its a tall order, for sure, kirn

and it would need a lot of balance

[umbral mulch]

It'd be so hard to even start getting it balanced

Let alone getting it right

[zealous ridge]

does that invalidate the idea?

[umbral mulch]

It sounds like one of those things where it's either overpowered or useless

[zealous ridge]

i mean, not to me

it would have to be balanced like all things

but arguably stealth falls into the very pitfall you describe

[umbral mulch]

Part of the reason I don't like stealth as a whole and I don't think you should build around it

Only a few weapons have stealth strikes to begin with

[zealous ridge]

i dont think that's reason to not play around with the idea

[umbral mulch]

And most of the time you don't have time to stand still for a second to get stealth

[zealous ridge]

my suggestion was not meant to iron out the technical aspects of the mechanic

it was to prove a point that it could be so much more interesting and fun to play around

[umbral mulch]

I don't see a good way of going about it without making it overpowered

If it's on par with not why would you do it

Or slightly better

[zealous ridge]

?

[umbral mulch]

It'd have to be a considerable increase to damage for most players to even want to do it

[zealous ridge]

not nessecarily

there are other ways to reward the player

[umbral mulch]

And if it was slightly better why would you bother with it when you can save yourself the trouble and not

[zealous ridge]

because youd be rewarded for doing it right?

[umbral mulch]

Not much

[zealous ridge]

depends on how much youre thinking

[umbral mulch]

Unless it were like a 50% increase and at that point it'd be broken

20% increase I wouldn't bother

35% maybe but at that point that's still way too powerful for picking a class

[keen geyser]

what about 50% decaying damage

[zealous ridge]

well we don't have to worry about damage then. why not unique stealth strike effects? other rewards like lifesteal or movespeed?

[umbral mulch]

And now we have adrenaline 2

Lifesteal would be absolutely overpowered in combination with eclipse mirror

Movespeed even more so

[zealous ridge]

well that's an endgame item anyways and the only boss you use it against is yharon so

[umbral mulch]

And it'd make yharon a walk in the park

[zealous ridge]

how would movespeed be more so?

[umbral mulch]

Easier dodging

[zealous ridge]

also not really, youd be dead before you got a chance to do it

[keen geyser]

nerf mirror during yharon

[zealous ridge]

if you dont use it right

[umbral mulch]

If it's lifesteal you do so much damage to the point your health would be instantly full

[zealous ridge]

...im not postulating it be overpowered lifesteal

[umbral mulch]

Even if it were simply 1 lifesteal

Per strike

It'd instantly heal you to full

[zealous ridge]

no it wouldnt?

electricians glove already does that literally

[umbral mulch]

Since you're probably using something like scourge of the cosmos

You'd have probably in the neighborhood of a full health potion's worth

And if it were any less why would I bother taking that risk

[zealous ridge]

you seem to be refuting a lot of solutions on the sole basis that the mechanic is overpowered regardless of what i say about them. quite frankly, i think that's a bit... close minded? like... i just want to propose ideas without getting instantly shut down. things are not as extreme as you put them out to be, so i really can't understand the massive fuss over the extreme imbalance of rogue when he's easily still one of the better classes in the game. stealth may be clunky, but i don't see any solutions that you seem to consider worth talking about. so maybe i should ask this... what do you think would make the rogue class better?

[umbral mulch]

I think the entirety of stealth would be either overpowered or not worth using

If you want players to use stealth it has to be overpowered or else no one's gonna bother

[zealous ridge]

in it's current state, id have to agree with you

[umbral mulch]

If you made stealth recharge in different ways it wouldn't make sense and it'd again either be overpowered or no one's gonna bother

[zealous ridge]

so, your solution?

[umbral mulch]

If you completely removed stealth and replaced it with a different mechanic what would it be

Honestly I think stealth should just be replaced with something else or not exist at all

If I had to replace it I'd probably add in a charge meter or something that determines velocity maybe so it wouldn't be almost useless at long ranges since most rogue weapons don't travel that far at the moment

And it'd be on alt fire

That'd also require completely rebalancing every rogue weapon in the game

[zealous ridge]

[umbral mulch]

So it's probably not gonna happen

And with the way stealth is it's either gonna be overpowered or not worth using

Sooooooo

Easiest solution is just remove it

[zealous ridge]

i personally believe that stealth can be reworked into something good

and i mean, the path of least resistance is fine to follow

but i think there's far more potential

in actually working to make a mechanic worth using

[umbral mulch]

There's potential but I don't see it being either useless or overpowered personally

[zealous ridge]

fair point to hold

[umbral mulch]

It'd be a gimmick as it is now

[zealous ridge]

i must say i disagree though

[umbral mulch]

Thinking of other ideas atm

[zealous ridge]

well, good discussion, then

[umbral mulch]

Part of the problem is no other classes have this

And you have to consider other classes' power

[zealous ridge]

aaalright remove that in suggestions please

[hallow kraken]

Like, just why?

[umbral mulch]

I have embedded links removed thank god

I'm somewhat concerned

[zealous ridge]

...

[versed mica]

Well fuck

[hallow kraken]

Someone ping a mod

[zealous ridge]

@zenith hazel

[versed mica]

@ashen warren

[zealous ridge]

ohp

sorry for the double mod ping

[vocal grotto]

gone

[hallow kraken]

Thank you

[versed mica]

Thank god

[zealous ridge]

get it in suggestions too

[vocal grotto]

There.

[zealous ridge]

alright thanks

[swift wadi]

ffs

[karmic stone]

Jesus fuck

[zealous ridge]

[ashen warren]

[zealous ridge]

sorry for the ping terry but there was some bad shid in suggestions

[karmic stone]

P word

[vocal grotto]

Beware of mod notifs

[ashen warren]

oh

[elder mist]

[versed mica]

Yeah I might have pinged terry

Sorry about that

[vocal grotto]

It's fine

[swift wadi]

I leave to play DnD for two seconds and boom, porn in suggestions

[vocal grotto]

The reasoning was legimate

[hallow kraken]

It was with good intention

[umbral mulch]

Also chozo I figured out an idea

[zenith hazel]

god damn it

[zealous ridge]

sorry brav LOL

[swift wadi]

Brav sniped once again

[ashen warren]

yeah ping is fine

[zealous ridge]

[zenith hazel]

oh well, I had like 3 kills already

now get back on topic

[zealous ridge]

you were saying, kirn?

[umbral mulch]

Rogue removes adrenaline so other classes have something to bolster their power, but rogue gets to keep stealth and it gets to be used far more often than other class' adrenaline, so in the end it has a similar amount of damage in the end, but rogue relies on say those stealth fields or maybe even something to do with LoS or something and requires slightly different arena setups and still takes a decent investment to use

The real problem I had with all of those ideas is conjunction with adrenaline because that would lead to spicy damage™️

[zealous ridge]

hmmm

certainly an interesting start

[umbral mulch]

I feel like it'd be the only way to keep rogue as it is and have it still be worthwhile using

[zealous ridge]

id need time to think about that idea

but definitely unique food for thought

[umbral mulch]

I brought up LoS since rogue and stealth

[zealous ridge]

line of sight?

[umbral mulch]

Yeah

[zealous ridge]

i think there's potential in that los thing

[umbral mulch]

Like maybe you put a wall in the middle of your arena or something you dance around and increases damage

It's like adrenaline but a bit more of a hassle to use in exchange for it being a little more consistent and you can still get hit every so often

Or stealth builds while moving while out of LoS

[zealous ridge]

first impressions are positive

needs work, but i like the idea

[umbral mulch]

I'm also trying to get it setup in a way it's realistic with the current setup

I dunno how you'd get LoS to work out

[zealous ridge]

that's true

coding could be a mess

[umbral mulch]

But there could also just be changes to the way you generate stealth in general since no more adrenaline

[zealous ridge]

rage and adrenaline are different beasts that ill cover another time

i think they aren't in the best state either as mechanics

[umbral mulch]

They're not but they work

Anyway I go back to terra now

[zealous ridge]

[umbral mulch]

Also sorry if I came across as a dick at some points

[zealous ridge]

its all good

[gusty geode]

Aren't "I'm too lazy to do this make it so I don't have to" """""QoL""""" suggestions either don'ts or frowned upon

[hollow shell]

I guess frowned upon but nothing explicitly against them

[umbral mulch]

@zealous ridge What if rogue stealth was more of a nohit thing?

Once you get it, you keep it until you get hit, but some stealth strike effects get toned down a bit but it still deals more damage

[swift wadi]

My sugg was greenchecked ayy

[teal ibex]

moly holy that was fast

LOL

[swift wadi]

I knew people agreed with it buy holy crud

[umbral mulch]

No one likes armored digger

[teal ibex]

it's been greenchecked for like an entire minute idk how you spotted that so quickly

[swift wadi]

That was less than 24 hours

I checked on it on and off, just got home and decided to check it

Just luck i suppose

[teal ibex]

i similarly just got home and decided to check it, but a different kind of check

we should be 100% caught up on suggestions now, and i'll try to keep the track record going so long as i'm not too busy

[swift wadi]

I knew it was you :p ❤️

Welp gotta keep the streak up and make more banger suggs, if i see something i wanna suggest oc

[runic heath]

Stealth strikes lasting until getting hit would just be budget adrenaline. Adrenaline stealth strikes are already kind of a meme since they can do absurd damage

[swift wadi]

Yeah I don't like that idea, keep the two mechanics separate

It will make rogue feel more unique

[teal ibex]

frankly i've always liked the idea of rogue stealth building from accuracy

being accurate with your shots would reward you with rogue stealth, or perhaps vice versa as a catchup mechanic

[swift wadi]

Ooo I like that too

That sounds super fun actually

[wide flicker]

I like that too

It's pretty rewarding

Personally, I don't like current rouge stealth because you never use it, and it can only be used for one attack at its full potential

[sand umbra]

it's become easier to work with thanks to the addition of all the new rogue accs

but it's still very. janky given Terraria's general combat style

[umbral mulch]

That was kinda the idea Roofon

The only way I can see stealth strikes actually being balanced without being useless is to have it act as a budget adrenaline you can either use more often or dealing massive damage if you manage to get your hands on one and replacing adrenaline

Basically just a different adrenaline kind of but not really™️

[cloud surge]

HP just use magic storage or organize your chests

[zenith hazel]

@thin shale you’re playing on the latest version right?

[thin shale]

I’m at V 1.4.2.109

[hollow shell]

You're slightly outdated

Current is .111

[thin shale]

So is the CV quick kill fixed?

[zenith hazel]

that’s odd, the test version for .109 had CV acting normally for me

[thin shale]

For me, I insta killed CV unexpectedly

[zenith hazel]

unless it’s the weapon’s fault somehow bypassed the dark energy summoning

[thin shale]

That’s why I wanted to suggest this so that CV’s more immune to those weapons

[runic heath]

Are you running any other mods?

[thin shale]

Nope

[runic heath]

And did you run into this with normal CV?

[thin shale]

No

Just Boss Rush CV

[runic heath]

Strange

Might be more appropriate for #bugs-read-pins

[thin shale]

Maybe i frames

Okay

[wary flume]

I mean that kinda defeats the purpose of doing BR it isn’t meant to be something easy, I feel like if something was added to practice the super buffed bosses without killing the previous bosses would make it to easy to practice.

[tepid root]

hall of bosses

[royal turtle]

this is just hollow knight now

[tired haven]

Dunno tbh, all that this suggestion may add is general annoyance of trying to farm bosses in endgame
(since people who didn't farm them all before scal/any other "endgame" milestone would feel punished)

That's purely my take tho ig

[tepid root]

i thought they meant a separate way to summon the buffed bosses?

[tired haven]

Maybe
But then it's unclear

One of reasonings states that bosses become easier than minibosses, so I'd assume it's for game in general

[ashen warren]

What if it was a toggle like arma that swapped up to the br version when spawning bosses

[tepid root]

[fervent citrus]

too bad THE LORDE was removed

[tired haven]

I'd still prefer separate terminus tiers to fight than all the bosses being buffed but eh

[ashen warren]

should this effect of magic quiver be fixed?

like how fire gauntlets got buffed

[hoary hinge]

lol didn't mean to bold AND italic with that suggestion

whatever its staying

[proven tide]

the rock's not supposed to have an effect rn

[hollow idol]

@hoary hinge Giving the rock a purpose is a suggestion dont

[hoary hinge]

I looked for this because I assumed this might be a thing before I posted and couldnt find it lol

mustve been blind

[karmic stone]

This is not a really good place to vent

[zenith hazel]

there's an invite to a server that can help you with your mental problems and all in #general-talk pins if you need

[karmic stone]

Can you tell him to change his pfp btw, Jesus

[zenith hazel]

@limber ravine also, please change your pfp, it's inappropriate

[ashen warren]

so any comments on my quiver change 🤔

[karmic stone]

o

That's dumb

[limber ravine]

Ok

[karmic stone]

Would it be hard to adjust the Quiver a bit so that the knockback is not wack?

[ashen warren]

shouldn't be harder than what was done to guantlet

basically just remove the flooring

[teal ibex]

while i agree that it wouldn't necessarily be hard to change it, comparing it to fire gauntlet isn't totally fair since fire gauntlet literally is the dumbest thing on the planet, it was an objective downgrade before

knockback isn't relevant at basically any point in the game so fixing it seems pretty needless to me

[gritty flower]

The Rock has a purpose if you also have Fargo’s Spirit Mod

[ashen warren]

What was his pfp

[karmic stone]

Fargo's Spirit Mod

[ashen warren]

Add

What was that guys pfp

[cyan lagoon]

Not relevant

[tired haven]

See, I'm all down for the fix or magic quiver, but knockback stat means just about as much as nothing

(in fact, most cases knockback hurts your damage a lot)

[gritty flower]

Isn’t stuff like knock back done in a range? Like: 1-5 is Very Weak, etc?

[terse sundial]

Knockback is literally just a value so yes

[tired haven]

Hmm? If you mean category names specifically, they are just here to give more clear definition than plain number

[terse sundial]

It can be 0-X, that subtext of "Very Weak" or "Strong" etc is automatically attached to it

[tired haven]

^

[gritty flower]

Cuz, if your knock back is so insane (such as like, 100000000)
it would most likely surpass the category of “Insane Knockback”, so what would it be called?

[placid moth]

Grand Dad

[tired haven]

Insane has no upper limit iirc

[gritty flower]

I have not gotten that sword, so I must learn what it does

[tired haven]

So it would be just insane

[gritty flower]

Ah

Sad, I felt like it would be given a new category of like... “Overly Ridiculous Knockback”

[runic heath]

That would require someone to assign something to that value or that set of values

And why would they do that if no vanilla item has that amount of knockback

I guess the mod devs could do that, but there isn’t really a point in it

But then again there isn’t a point in doing anything so why not

[gritty flower]

Insert Thor: “I like this one”

[opal barn]

@wooden iron Arid Artifact covers sandstorms

And blizzard = rain

[swift bison]

Blood relic and Arid Artifact are already things that exist

Blood relic summons blood moons

[opal barn]

10 minutes until yeetage of suggestion

[quick ice]

just yeet it now

[swift bison]

^

[karmic stone]

The only weather event that isn't covered with Clam is

Slime Rain

[wooden iron]

@opal barn thank you you wonderful human

[hallow kraken]

breaking news another hook suggestion

[frail mantle]

tbh i don't feel like we need more post-ML hooks

the Bat Hook is already godgamer as it is

[sand umbra]

can I kill Bat Hook yet

[tepid root]

hook balance in EE

[sand umbra]

eventually

[swift bison]

i have a few post moon lord hook concepts myself:

Goozma Slime Hook
Profaned Energy hook
Polterghast Chain hook
DoG worm hook
Calamitas themed magic hook

[karmic stone]

What is a Goozma

[viral marsh]

The Hook idea is actually pretty good

Some really fast hook and really long like omg when you run out of fly time xD

[swift bison]

a goozma is 5 thicc spheres

[zealous ridge]

do we need more post-ml hooks? no not really

do i want more post moon lord hooks? sure that would be nice

vanilla already covers the hooks pretty well for calamity's purposes

[distant gyro]

bat hook already invalidates the need for any other hook yet it's pre-boss

[zealous ridge]

event locked too

but yeah, when i think new hooks i dont think just your average hook with no interesting ideas incorperated

like... i think about something like anti-gravity hook, which is really fun to use imo

problem is its clunky in most situations, so it may not be the best example

but the point is it's interesting and i think new calamity-added hooks could build on that idea

does calamity really need to? probably not

[distant gyro]

polter hook that turns into phantom turret after latching onto a block

[zealous ridge]

yeah, stuff like that would be interesting

polter's the hallmark example, of course, because he literally has hooks to move around

but then you could do something like, say, a profaned spear hook that surrounds you in fire while youre being pulled by the hook (perhaps a short time after being pulled, too), maybe it would burn up projectiles around you? probably supr unbalanced but it would be neat to see in practice

maybe it could just deal extra damage, idk

[modern loom]

can someone suggest me why can't i use spectre wings with spectre armour+hood

[zealous ridge]

might want to ask in #help-advice-read-pins

[modern loom]

thx

[hollow shell]

@gritty flower Public shaming?

[gritty flower]

No not at all

[hollow shell]

People already get pinged when they're warned.

[distant gyro]

many cases they don't get pinged when warned actually

[foggy plover]

There's a discussion going on about in gen talk

[green pumice]

the mods already said in gen talk

[hollow shell]

oof

[ashen warren]

btw nice pfp rover!

[hollow shell]

sounds like something that's gotta be fixed on the mod's end

[gritty flower]

Yes, but not all people are active enough to check every ping, and not all people scroll up very far

[hollow shell]

(thanks)

[distant gyro]

but making a channel dedicated to it is indeed somewhat public shaming

[gritty flower]

Not exactly

[distant gyro]

other than mod log

[green pumice]

then just ask a mod in dms why you were warned iirc

[distant gyro]

^

[frail mantle]

maybe instead have a bot message the person with why they've been warned/muted

[green pumice]

[gritty flower]

Not very many people like me have the courage to ask a mod a question especially after getting in trouble

[distant gyro]

modnotifs

[green pumice]

i mean

they're supposed to let you know

[bitter topaz]

you're normally told.

[void kelp]

when you’re not told is probably an oversight

[bitter topaz]

in the rare case where you're not you can just ask.
and the mod in question who didn't properly inform you also gets told off for it

[distant gyro]

if you think you're warned for no reason then you should probably confront a mod in the first place

[bitter topaz]

it's generally unneccessary and leads to public shaming

[distant gyro]

if you don't have the courage then you probably know what you did wrong

[gritty flower]

And I get that, but a dedicated warning channel is a lot... cleaner, plus, not everyone has to see, personally, if public shaming is a problem, then only people with the warned role should be able to view it

[bitter topaz]

we literally do have one

it's just private

[green pumice]

its just mod only

[foggy plover]

yeah but generally the people with the warned role

[gritty flower]

I’ve heard

[foggy plover]

generally have it for a reason

so the people who have it cuz of a mishap

can get shamed by the people who have it for a bad reason

so that could end up worse than the public

[vocal grotto]

The question is

[gritty flower]

Here, I’m actually gonna grab a screenshot from where I got the idea just to show what it looks like

[vocal grotto]

If it exists, why would it be public? What are the benefits?

[foggy plover]

(terrible explanation but I think you get what im saying)

[green pumice]

there's no need to have a warn channel that people can view, mods can litteraly just tell you what you were warned for in dms

[dusty stirrup]

Ask what you did wrong to a mod and they give you the reason

Simple.

[gritty flower]

It’s like that

[dusty stirrup]

Most people that receive punishment don't give a shit about it in the first place

We aren't required to hold their hands

[green pumice]

they did a bad, maybe they'll learn

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gritty flower]

They have a different warning system though, so it’d need some modifying

[cobalt rose]

if people could view the warns that anyone got in a seperate channel, it'll probably lead to people being more toxic and mocking others for their warns

[gritty flower]

But you get my point (to an extent), right?

[dusty stirrup]

I get it but it's not really all that efficient and not worth doing

[tired haven]

Knowing the public that's exactly where it would go, public shaming and mocking (and lots more warns because of that)

[green pumice]

just delete the sugg tbh

[frail mantle]

if people not knowing why they're warned is a problem, have the mod that warned them/a bot message them with the reason

[vocal grotto]

Having the bot tell the reason when a log is generated?

[frail mantle]

something like that, yea

[karmic stone]

Yes, but not all people are active enough to check every ping, and not all people scroll up very far
That's on you, the other case is where you don't pinged at all, byhea you can ask and nothing bad will come out of doing so if your brain momentum has come to an end

[cobalt rose]

having a bot DM you the log of your warn could be nice.

[vocal grotto]

No more logs like "brain accelerated at the speed of light" tho

[karmic stone]

Yea that would be nice, I got like 3 weeks into my warn without knowing it

[tired haven]

sad !

[green pumice]

[frail mantle]

for example: a person gets warned, person is messaged by a bot saying "you have been warned in the Calamity server for being disruptive"

[karmic stone]

Btw I think my warn is over lole

[vocal grotto]

I'll check

[dusty stirrup]

meh having the bot Dm them means they can't really reply or have a convo about it but ig it works

[vocal grotto]

Yup, the warn is over now.

[green pumice]

who would make the bot though

[karmic stone]

Yei, thanks

[tired haven]

They can still start the convo with any mods, I suppose?

[dusty stirrup]

They'll have to dm a mod if they want further info/explanation

[frail mantle]

yea

[dusty stirrup]

yeah but at this point you might as well have the mod who warned them send it in the first place

not a bot

[vocal grotto]

Yeah

[frail mantle]

fair

[karmic stone]

Not very many people like me have the courage to ask a mod a question especially after getting in trouble
Which is also a problem on their side btw

[dusty stirrup]

Also amber deals with bots so she'd probably do it

[vocal grotto]

I mean, I'd consider myself reasonable. Same with literally every other staff member here. Fear isn't really an excuse imo

Unless you're doing something highly illegal like posting child porn, I'd expect us to be reasonable with you about it.

[tired haven]

*or unless you start the dialogue with some "reeee why I was warned unwarn me plspls"

[elder mist]

[gritty flower]

Well, it was a good try. But that’s alright, I’ll contribute a different time

[hollow shell]

Thanks for being civil about it

[gritty flower]

Np, like I said, I’ve learned.

[dusty stirrup]

👍

[teal ibex]

@warm tinsel three suggestions above you

[hollow shell]

. _.

[distant gyro]

tfw he also had that starred

and still made the suggestion

[hollow shell]

Wait really?

Ferox got that short-term memory loss

He thought that idea was his

[distant gyro]

[green pumice]

dont discuss this here

#calamity-mod-talk

or #other-mod-talk

[modern loom]

ok

[hollow shell]

Unless you're leading into a sugg I guess

also Ferox is gettin put on The Tally

[teal ibex]

the tally? 👀

[hollow shell]

The "Post a suggestion then immediately leave, unresponsive to pings for several minutes" Tally

(which is actually what I have written down)

[teal ibex]

LOL

time to make it a three strikes system tbh

three strikes you get a mean spirited letter from rover

[green pumice]

a letter is too nice

just give them an ominous >:(

[hallow kraken]

For some reason I feel like that would ruin the feel of a boss rush

Like, I don’t think it was made so you can practice individual bosses in BR form

I feel like the boss rush was made to test your practice from beating the bosses in non-BR form

[hollow shell]

You see what we gotta do is separate the boss rush into sections
Where you have to fight all of tier 1 in a row, and then you're allowed to fight all of tier 2 in a row
and continue through all the tiers until you beat them all individually,
then you have to fight the full boss rush

and if you manage to beat these individual tiers with the Boss Rush Curses in the config file then you get extra health boosts in between bosses

and when you start the boss rush there is a 1/500 chance to be sent to a secret area with heavy lore significance

[royal turtle]

that's just hollow knight

[hollow shell]

Thank you Gats

[distant gyro]

that is indeed hk

[warm tinsel]

Uuuh, yeah I actually tried to make the suggestion a bit more decent without chaining, also got a bit busy so I couldn't really respond to the pings

But yeah, if that's the case, then just add to the "way" the part I tried to revive about the essence someone said long ago and pretty much didn't reach the required number

[hollow shell]

If you think someone's recent suggestion coulda been done better, don't post your own and try to do it better
Ping em and suggest changes

Also the "way" using Calamitous Essence isn't really necessary

[warm tinsel]

Will be done next time, if I do actually think I can improve the suggestion

Really? I pretty much just said it because we don't really have Xeroc's stuff to craze the bosses out but sure

[hollow shell]

(Calamitous Essence isn't Xeroc)

[warm tinsel]

Also BR is supposed to be Post-SCal so if I were to suggest that, atm I would say SCal

Exactly that^

[hollow shell]

Well it's supposed to be post-Yharon iirc

which is why SCal is easier in BR

[warm tinsel]

Wait really?

(hold on, I'll go to calatalk)

[hollow shell]

It drops from Yharon, don't it?

[teal ibex]

the only difference between bossrush and scal tier is demonshade and a dev weapon, which for some classes summoner is a godsend and others isn't totally necessary

it does make it significantly easier though

[warm tinsel]

Huh

[karmic stone]

Specific stat change byhea

[void kelp]

around when do you get access to axe of purity? I’m sure it’s a melee weapon as well as an axe since it has a special effect

[hollow shell]

Axe of Purity is available as soon as you enter Hardmode

[distant gyro]

Funny thing is no one really knows the power of AoP

they only use it to make elemental axe

Sad underrated weapon

[void kelp]

honestly I’d probably be concerned if it were like able to melt plantera too