suggestions-discussion

[terse sundial]

👀

[topaz bramble]

So yeah shucks wegud?

[lost agate]

I wanted to rework goldplume a bit but sure

[civic pond]

sounds interesting i hope its good

[terse sundial]

oh I can wait off a bit then if you're going to give it some love

shut

[topaz bramble]

I would message fabsol as well but i super doubt he wants to deal with me right now

Lmao

[civic pond]

i tested goldplume earlier and my verdict is that it sucked ass

[topaz bramble]

So next time you see him tell him im sorry about that

[distant gyro]

Goldplume is a fun one

[civic pond]

or at least

compared to certain other weapons

[distant gyro]

But last time I used it, the thing gave me carpal tunnel

[civic pond]

ah yes

[ashen warren]

can confirm

goldplume is bad

[topaz bramble]

Goldplume has always been a bit odd i think

Oh yeah uhhhh

I dunno if it’s intentional but right up against the edge of a block it can shoot through walls

[zealous ridge]

Probably a side effect from having the feathers spawn a ways out from the spear

But yeah, goldplume in my eyes is an example of a game design problem that has existed for a while

The fight between being interesting, and being fairly balanced for its tier

Uniqueness vs usefulness, basically

And, I mean
You could ask for the goldplume to be more interesting or powerful
But that entails more than just shifting numbers or changing effects, you’ve gotta consider it in the greater context of other weapons, bosses it can be used against, etc

And that may sound like an exaggeration considering it’s just a post-aerial spear, but it’s true that this context has to be considered so that it doesn’t overshadow other weapons or become overshadowed itself

[amber elk]

maybe swap the sword and spear effects?

have the wind blade spit feathers as it swings and the spear toss the cyclones

[meager lichen]

Wind blade would lose its flavor. It isnt about wind blade at all

If goldplume was much faster and shot fast homing arrows like the ones in the aerospec set bonus, it would be a little more viable

[civic pond]

windblade is just better overall

:br:

[zealous ridge]

okay but i dont like giving goldplume feathers homing and explosions, for a couple of reasons

1. significantly increases range, decreases skill required to use, and makes it better for CC and stacking damage
2. no real drawback, can just be spam-clicked in the general direction of an enemy
3. uninteresting and, although this is more of a problem i have with the exploding feathers in general, thematically scattered and odd-looking

[civic pond]

i just wanted to give it autoswing

[zealous ridge]

autoswing would help it somewhat

but i mean, it does depend on what the dev team wants from the spear as a weapon

by that i mean to say, what if they want to keep the no autoswing to make it more of a side-use weapon to compensate for other weaknesses of adjacent weapons?

like, say you're waiting for adrenaline to pull off a thicc sausage maker combo, throwing out a few feathers with this spear wouldn't hurt

in that case, autoswing may be less needed, if that makes sense

[radiant meadow]

hellion flower spear and starnight lance don't have autoswing iirc

be weird to give it to only goldplume

[zealous ridge]

if im honest, i dont like those spears much either

unless they got changed recently theyre just beamswords that thrust instead of swing

also, why would it be odd, exactly? because it's an ore set spear like starnight and hellion?

[radiant meadow]

yes

it'd be weird to give it to goldplume
but not give autofire to urchin spear, starnight, and hellion

[zealous ridge]

well, perhaps that's a fair point

but again i think it matters in what context these weapons are used. Urchin might be for the venom debuff? goldplume for volume of fire? starnight and hellion for consistent side-projectiles? stuff like that

[void kelp]

so it'd be one of those "if you make one autofire, all should autofire"

[zealous ridge]

idk that feels like an odd rationale, because it forsakes balance for a haphazardly-arranged thematic consistency

[ashen warren]

^

[zealous ridge]

not to say balance is ultra important, in any case

but like, in other thematic contexts it would honestly make more sense for the goldplume to not autofire (maybe it's smaller and lighter, aerodynamic as per the inclination of the set's wind theme, propelled by winds with each strike to make it swing faster)

stuff like that

at the same time, though
i guess if you want to keep that aspect of all the ore spears in there, it's not like there aren't other ways to make the weapon more viable

[obsidian trellis]

About the vanity Heart of the Elements in #suggestions-voting : Calamity's Vanities adds baby elementals & a miniature heart of the elements that spawns all of the baby elementals.

[gusty geode]

Pretty sure that was said already

[quick ice]

Any thoughts on me making an abyss suggestion to fix the random parts where there’s 1 enemy exclusive to 1 layer?

For example, devil fish in layers 1,2 and 3| Luminious corvina and Mirage Jelly in layers 2 and 3

Main reason I want to do it is to clean wiki up a little bit and cause having some enemies in only 1 layer (Except Box Jellyfish, Moray Eel and layer 4 enemies) makes them rare and pretty forgettable

[hollow shell]

PDA comparison isn't exactly apt

considering the Cell Phone cannot be equipped as an accessory

That extra step changes what type of item it is

[quick ice]

PDA provides its effects as long as it’s in the inventory

Also having both versions of the core exist seems redundant, I’d just remove one of them and be done with it

[swift wadi]

Honestly I always thought that the consumable profaned core felt like a new player trap, sure it's their fault for not using guide to check it/noticing that it's consumable but still, why add the step of zerging in the hallow for .5 minutes to make it nonconsumable, hell sometimes I forget to even do that

[zenith hazel]

@warm marlin elaborate and add a reason please

[terse sundial]

^

[opal barn]

What a great suggestion

nuff said

[terse sundial]

"nuff said" is not a valid reasoning

Plus as a person who almost exclusively plays summoner, I think summoner is fine

Additionally summons are annoying to code, and not many people are willing to do so

[zenith hazel]

not to mention the chore of making summons unique

[karmic stone]

It's either a summon that stays next to you and goes out to attack

[warm marlin]

Currently at endgame of a summoner run and the weapons at this stage of the game is very sparse and very linear, the Rogue overhaul added so much and gave more options, would be nice to add some more.
I didn't realise it was difficult to code, just had the thought last night 😂

[karmic stone]

Or spaghetti code

[terse sundial]

It's not spaghetti code, it's just tedious

[zenith hazel]

summoner has a lot going for it during endgame though, except for maybe post-scal

[opal barn]

It still is extremely linear

[terse sundial]

I get where you are coming from. I will let you know that a dev summon is in the works

[shell lynx]

I think fabsol said something about summoner being hell to code yesterday

[zenith hazel]

yeah a dev summon is coming

[shell lynx]

Any hints on what kind of summon it is?

Well, actually it probably won’t be a worm

[warm marlin]

I'm not too active on this Discord so didn't see it 😂
oooo, sounds interesting, yeah, I really enjoyed the new weapons that were added to the Rogue Overhaul, and thought something similar could be done with the summoner class, I don't take coding or anything like that so no idea what it's like 😂

[terse sundial]

I would either have you add a reasoning to your suggestion or remove it then

or I can remove it to if you want

[hallow kraken]

And context as well

What do you mean overhaul

[warm marlin]

I'm on with making a description now 😂

[terse sundial]

alright

[hallow kraken]

cool

[ashen warren]

@dawn heron not possible

dokuro said relogic does not allow it

[dawn heron]

Why?

[ashen warren]

because relogic said so

[dawn heron]

Ok

[quartz hare]

whot

[ashen warren]

unless

you know

make it not terraria related

[dawn heron]

Thanks

[wooden wedge]

You can upload MP4 files to your Spotify account and listen to them that way

[ashen warren]

basically dokuro can make generic cover arts

but he probably won't do it

[wooden wedge]

So you're able to make your own Cala music playlist on spofy

But only you would be able to listen to it

[lapis vigil]

Yes

[ashen warren]

and takes up space on your phone

which is very counter productive

[terse sundial]

thank you for resolving this snekky

[wooden wedge]

Well, it's the only possible way to listen to music that's not on there, on there

[terse sundial]

saving me the trouble of finding that message

[dawn heron]

So if I wanted to listen to it, I need to download the music and look up how to upload it to my Spotify account?

[ashen warren]

gamer swag

[wooden wedge]

Yeah

I think so

[lapis vigil]

Yeah

[terse sundial]

i'm deleting the suggestion btw

[dawn heron]

Ok

[lapis vigil]

It’s something called Local Files in Spotify

[wooden wedge]

My friend did it but I have no idea how to

GL with it my guy

[gusty geode]

Before it gets out of hand can we make it so "it doesn't add anything to the mod" isn't a valid reason by itself to remove something

[runic heath]

they should remove SCal from the game. All she does is drop dumb and broken dev weapons and doesn’t add anything to the mod

[hallow kraken]

🏁

[teal ibex]

Remove Calamity Mod.

i don't like it very much it kinda smelly it's not good my shortsword playthrough was too hard. please remove it it doesn't add anything to the modloader thank you

reason: cuz it's cool

[distant gyro]

[frail mantle]

for a moment there i legit thought you posted that in #suggestions-voting lmao

[teal ibex]

i can post it is it good? i think it's good i noticed it while playing

[sand umbra]

so did I, why am I are have stupid

[teal ibex]

omg i got 5 stars. 85 more and it will be in the mod.

[ashen warren]

colored names are stronk

[distant gyro]

funny bait moment

[ashen warren]

do it

us white name weaklings can't afford such meme

[distant gyro]

wait damn it I shouldn't have reacted with the checks so more people get baited

[teal ibex]

smh ruining my suggestions chances

[ashen warren]

HotE suggestion reached 90

time to wait and hope

me need waifu vanity

[frail mantle]

commit Calamity's Vanities Mini HotE tbh

[distant gyro]

@cloud surge technically Imp Staff fits in the EoW/BoC gap iirc

Hellstone requires the nightmare/deathbringer pick after all

[cloud surge]

I dont know about that since it's a hellstone item and hellstone usually isn't collected until pre-wof, so if you don't want to cheese pre-hm then it's a problem

Since you could get reaver shark and get imp immediately

[distant gyro]

Vanilla is weird because they don't want you to explore hell until post-skelly

But then why intentionally allow "Can mine Hellstone" on evil pickaxes

hell, they even put a tooltip on it

[cloud surge]

Because the didn't add a dungeon pick since it wouldn't make much sense

And bone pick is already a thing

Also the only thing eow and BoC provide for a summoner is the pick, so I even just went straight for hive mind and skipped eow in my playthrough

[sand umbra]

Hellstone is intended as post-EoW/BoC, pre-Skeletron
but then vanilla doesn't expect you to go to Hell until post-Skeletron

it's weird

but also Reaver Shark was made a thing

summoner is just fucked no matter what you do, really

[quartz hare]

summoner overhaul? UPVOTE

[gusty geode]

I'd always liked the idea of being able to have summons prioritize enemies based on certain stats
The one with the highest HP (for focusing bosses)
The most common one (for clearing out minions or invasions)
The least common one (for also bosses or hunting rare enemies)
And you could get different minions to prioritize different things, encouraging the use of multiple kinds of minions

[cloud surge]

I like that idea

[hollow shell]

@quartz hare PvP should not be the main reason
Nobody cares about PvP

[quartz hare]

i care about it

[frail mantle]

a thing to direct your minions has been suggested before

but that was in March so i don't think it counts for bluecheck

[hollow shell]

Being able to better control their shots during boss fights, especially ones with numerous servant enemies, is infinitely more important than PvP

[quartz hare]

yes but also summoners are totaly useless in pvp

[frail mantle]

afaik the only summon that can even damage other players is the Raven

and it disappears upon hitting a player

[hollow shell]

PvP should be a lil secondary reason
But, whatever I guess it's fine, if you don't wanna change that

[tired haven]

Somebody should try Calamity PvP and understand that's definitely one of the smaller problems with it and summoner

[gusty geode]

An update dedicated to multiplayer (not now but just at some point) would be great imo

[sand umbra]

that reasoning alone is probably going to keep this amazing idea from happening and that is depressing
this is the best goddamn potential improvement summoner's been able to have in a while

[hollow shell]

It's been suggested numerous times in the past via specific items

And I'm pretty sure one or two mods add that already

[void kelp]

ngl the whole pvp reasoning is an absolute “no” feeling to me

[hollow shell]

Summoner's Association?

[void kelp]

because... why.

[lost agate]

Update dedicated to MP
So "pain in the ass: the update"?

[sand umbra]

I mean, I would hope an MP-oriented update would

actually make working with it tolerable for modders

[void kelp]

does that work with modded summons?

[hollow shell]

I assume so
I doubt Jopo of all people would only make it work for vanilla

[lost agate]

I just lost hope in MP being reasonable after a fucking tree trunk made servers crash after you kill a boss

[void kelp]

hm. what about like, a suggestion to implement some sort of visible targeting system for mp, so players know who’s being targeted?

[sand umbra]

that's been

[hollow shell]

That has been suggested for SCal specifically but applying it to all bosses would be nice

[sand umbra]

sugged

so many times in the past

often for SCal specifically simply because she is not designed with MP in mind

[void kelp]

when was it last sugged?

[hollow shell]

https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/644608526232191045

Not delivered 😔

[lost agate]

Hey i just remembered smth about scal

[sand umbra]

byeah

[lost agate]

Dunno if it was done already

[sand umbra]

70 stars moments

[hollow shell]

20 people go star that suggestion

[sand umbra]

[void kelp]

that’s way too old tbh lemme just make a new one

[hollow shell]

You can indeed do that

[tired haven]

DoG is also not designed for MP so

Yharon, kinda, is

[brittle merlin]

lmoa @void kelp that would certainly help you on our playthrough

[void kelp]

indeed

[brittle merlin]

dsyncs as well

[sand umbra]

a lot of Calamity bosses in general aren't designed with MP in mind tbf

[swift wadi]

3 summoner suggestions oml

[sand umbra]

same w/ base Terraria bosses

[void kelp]

tbh yeah but at least knowing who’s gonna be killed next helps out lmao

[sand umbra]

[void kelp]

we cant help desyncs but maybe we can help targeting dumbness

[hollow shell]

Status messages would be quite annoying
Icon near the player is fine, assuming it can be done

[sand umbra]

it can be

things like it have been done by multiple mods before

and by vanilla itself

[swift wadi]

You know that weird purple summoner thing that goes over enemies you target. Could use that tbh

[hollow shell]

Is it able to be done universally?

Without needing to change code in every single boss

[void kelp]

is it?

[sand umbra]

Main.player[npc.target].insertHahaFunnyTargetingVariableNameHere = true;

replace the variable name with whatever you like

[void kelp]

so it’d be independent from boss targeting?

[hollow shell]

Would you
put that in GlobalNPC?

[sand umbra]

then check for that variable and draw a thing near the player if true

you could! you could do it universally, do it only for bosses, however you want! all depends on the will of the programmer

but it goes in GlobalNPC, yes

[hollow shell]

cool

[void kelp]

can it be only turned on for multiplayer? :0?

[hollow shell]

Yeah literally just one If

[sand umbra]

^, most likely

[void kelp]

Like

[sand umbra]

I don't exactly know what governs whether a world is in SP or MP, but I'm sure it's doable

[void kelp]

“If playercount > 1”?

[hollow shell]

I know I've seen the "if multiplayer" variable before but I remember it didn't look exactly how you'd think it looked

playercount is probably a smarter way to do it
You wouldn't need a targeting reticle if you're alone in an MP world for whatever reason

[sand umbra]

mhm

there are likely many ways to go about it, really; the point I'm making is that it can, relatively easily, be done
the question is not of whether or not it can be at this point, but whether or not it will be

which is a completely different playing field when you get into it, but you get what I'm saying
I wholeheartedly support this idea btw. please, anything to make MP a little less fantastically awkward

[tired haven]

I guess a thing with designing for MP only is that it's major effort for minor impact

So it's inevitably put in last part of queue

[void kelp]

which is kinda why I tried to make the sugg as theoretically feasible as possible

[hollow shell]

Judging from the sound of it from Thomas, this one in particular wouldn't be very hard

There might be syncing issues? Maybe?

Like if a boss is targeting one player on one player's end and a different one on another's?
(but that sounds like a bigger problem than just making the target reticle look weird)

[sand umbra]

honestly, probably not much we can do about that on our respective ends

[lost agate]

MP is confusing for me in both code and ingame

So dont count on me for that one

[swift wadi]

MP is fucking cursed

[ashen warren]

hot take, i dont mind mp compat

[lost agate]

I wouldnt mind it either

But i have no clue how to make it work either

[tired haven]

Queen bee MP existence shits on both compat and common sense

[sand umbra]

Queen Bee's existence in general shits on everything

Queen Bee transcends all human understanding to be a literal god of unexpected bullshit

[shell lynx]

how about golem's head

that thing goes wild in multiplayer

[sand umbra]

Golem's head is her understudy

[wooden wedge]

in multiplayer

see the issue here is that you're attempting to do shit with friends on modded

[loud steeple]

No the issue is your attempting to do shit with friends in multiplayer

[gusty geode]

So the issue is you're attempting to do shit with friends

[lost agate]

RoR had a better MP

[tropic yoke]

What if Cnidrons were buffed in HM like Amidias' Spark?
The desert as a whole gets buffed in HM, but Cnidrons are always just kind of there. They get pretty boring and annoying after a while.

[swift wadi]

I wouldn't mind a Giant Clam-like buff for them

[tropic yoke]

Even if they didn't give any new rewards, buffing them would be cool.

[swift wadi]

Well risk with no reward is bad in a way, then they'd only act as another thing in your way when you try to go to the Sunken Sea

[tropic yoke]

Maybe more money or a chance to drop forbidden fragments.

[swift wadi]

Arid Artifacts maybe but then they'd just be like earth elementals

[hollow shell]

Could get Expert Mode post-WoF and post-Plant buffs
like other common enemies in vanilla

[swift wadi]

Yeah true, i do like the idea

[tropic yoke]

Post-WoF

That's a first.

[hollow shell]

I'd already started writing "post" and didn't wanna delete it :P

[tropic yoke]

Stunderandable, day a have nice.

I've totally been in the pits about suggestions since content suggestions became against the rules.

[hollow shell]

That was indeed your whole forte

[gusty geode]

Y'all know by now how hipster I am
But imo an enemy that's just there to get in the way isn't a bad thing in moderation

[worthy fiber]

It’s kind of what enemies are for

[gusty geode]

This mod seems to have something against enemies like that unless they're from one of their biomes

[radiant meadow]

unlike triactis hammer, the internal name of stbfs is the name verbatim SupremeTackleBoxFishingStation

[void kelp]

huh

[queen delta]

Yeah this accessory could go thru a name change

[swift wadi]

"Supreme Tackle Box" would do good enough

[teal ibex]

ok but the big name is fun

[lost agate]

Wouldnt be surprised if the name was made so long as a meme

[cobalt rose]

i thought it was

[teal ibex]

yeah no i don't see any other reason and i furthermore don't see why it should be changed

it's a funny name for a dumb subcategory of the game that i'm obsessed with

[ancient widget]

Don't change it

Also, I found goldplume to be good when I played, now that it fires projectiles

Wind Blade dealt less damage overall to enemies

[swift wadi]

Fuckin veto'd by Fab himself

That's rough

[ancient widget]

Because the wind vortex is programmed to deal less damage than the blade itself, a fair bit less

Goldplume feathers do not pierce, meaning they all hit the intended target

Plus the wind blade vortex I found, more often than not, to cause enemies to be thrown into my face

[swift wadi]

Yeah It vortexes enemies into you sometimes, Goldplume feathers did not great damage last I checked though

Never used it often but I prefer windblade whenever I melee

[ancient widget]

I used both, the feathers deal a ton of damage versus monsters with low defense, it doesn't function very well in the dungeon.

Skeletons in general have higher defense, iirc, than average prehm enemies

[swift wadi]

Which isn't great considering when you get it, how is it for skele?

[ancient widget]

I always use starfury for skele so I wouldn't really know that

[swift wadi]

Also, I prefer the flight of the vortex normally, but you can get used to goldplume

Starfury all the way to Skele? damn

[ancient widget]

It deals pretty immense damage even for skeletron yeah

No other weapon was useful enough

For melee at least

[swift wadi]

I always found Windblade good enough, but there can for sure be better

[ancient widget]

I also just wanted to kill him asap

[swift wadi]

He's quite a pain

Anyways, I think goldplume is good enough to contend

[ancient widget]

I can see the feathers from the goldplum spear getting a buff in damage, that'd be fine

[swift wadi]

With other weapons of that tier

Maybe more armor piercing, to make it better in the dungeon

After dungeon Ball o Fugu is obtainable, blows both out of the water

[radiant meadow]

even if wind blade throws enemies in my face, it's hella' fun to use

[ancient widget]

Ye, it's fun, definitely

Ball o' Fugu is intentionally powerful because it's in the abyss, yeah

[swift wadi]

Yeah all abyss weapons are pretty good

[ancient widget]

Where early on you can die in seconds if you aren't careful

[swift wadi]

Yeah for sure

Very nice for SG and WoF

[lost agate]

Oh no i wasnt gonna change the name, i just said it was likely for shit and giggles whick is good

[lost agate]

And for goldplume i was just planning on giving it the same treatment i did with wind blade

Just some general touch ups

Just check balance, check visuals, yada yada

[ancient widget]

ah, np then

[radiant meadow]

discord means chaos

and it drops from chaos elementals

[swift wadi]

he means the platform that we're on right now, as a joke item afaik

[opal barn]

No joke items in suggestions sir

[fervent citrus]

Sorry

[swift wadi]

damn teragat hitten em with the "sir"

[fervent citrus]

Although it wasnt really a joke...

[zenith hazel]

if you want a literal rod of discord, use the texture pack iirc

[swift wadi]

is it a fucking rod with the discord symbol at the top

[zenith hazel]

mhm

[swift wadi]

Amazing

[tepid root]

iirc thats getting removed from the pack (or already got removed idk)

[swift wadi]

What why

[tepid root]

too memey

[swift wadi]

Wha

Anyway this is off topic, im out

[hollow saffron]

Make an accessory that allows bullets/arrows to be infintely used

Reason: Yes, this is done by other mods. I am well aware of this. However, most mods don't offer infinte arrow/bullet compatibility with Calamity. On my playthroughs at the very least, this has led me to use vanilla ammo far more than Calamity ammo, especially when you consider that some ammo is considerably expensive to craft at the progression stage that it would most likely be used at(Take Hyperius/Terra bullets and Elysian Arrows as an example). Allowing rangers to use infinite ammo in Calamity, or making an accessory to do the same, would certainly improve the QOL when it comes to using a specific ammo type.

Alternatively, add the Endless Quiver/Musket pouch to the Elemental Quiver and add their functionality.

hi did this place die

;-;

[tepid root]

[bitter topaz]

it’s been a whopping 4 minutes

be patient

[loud steeple]

Slime god is annoying,but I was able to do it after a couple trys

@ashen warren

[distant gyro]

I think Slime God is actually pretty simple

unlike Siren and Leviathan where multiple parts of the boss don't sync up very well with each other, Slime God does the job of making them kinda fairly sync up (except core but you can kinda juke it out)

[tepid root]

just get the big slimes stuck on an upper platform ez

[distant gyro]

or that

[tepid root]

ok but

no

[distant gyro]

yea no more abyssal flames echsuffer

[tepid root]

cursed

the thing i dont like about cursed is that you cant even use hooks

[distant gyro]

what's also cursed is that this sound like it would cause more cheap shots if anything

all of the slimes have completely different set of attacks and thus making them cluttery

kinda reminds me of goozma

[tepid root]

ok i dont think this makes SG more fair

[sand umbra]

CSG inflicts Cursed still

if this was ever going to get my vote before, it absolutely will not now

CSG inflicting Cursed is not a good thing in the current fight, let alone this proposed "new" fight

[distant gyro]

reminder that Abyssal Flames for 3 seconds = 48 HP loss btw

[sand umbra]

that too

what was it...Brimstone Flames? was taken outta this fight for a reason

[shell lynx]

Make slime gods inflict demon flames

Yes

[distant gyro]

Brimstone Flames from CSG and ESG for 2 seconds (4 seconds in Expert) = -32 HP and -64 HP respectively

[quiet abyss]

Ye I'm reading through this rn.
...I think the proposed changes to make the fight "more fair" is literally doing the opposite.

[distant gyro]

exactly

[shell lynx]

I wish the core had a bit more interesting movement

[sand umbra]

I want this fight to be more fair too but like

[night cradle]

But then again, with Core gaining new movement there's one thing

[shell lynx]

Right now it kinda just floats towards you like a slowed down cryogen

[sand umbra]

this is not how you go about it at all

[night cradle]

You would also have to rebalance on how other Slime Gods move in order for the fight to be not too chaotic

unless it's something for if it's alone but still, you get my point

[distant gyro]

@ashen warren summing it up imo

• Revival of debuffs shittery (Reminder that 3 seconds of abyssal flames = -48 HP)
• Makes the fight more cluttered (Way too cluttered and causes desync between all the 3 slimes)
• Potentially leads to more cheap shots
• Making it with nohitting in mind (This sounds much harder if you get hit even once)
• Boss Complexity for no reason in Pre-Hardmode (At least if it's complex then it should be like Death Hive Mind)

[sand umbra]

making a fight more fair does not mean making it even more bullshit
there is no point where that bullshit loops back around to fairness

[shell lynx]

Hive mind is fun

[quiet abyss]

Also, don't suggest changes just cause of nohitting.

[shell lynx]

I like it when the bosses go super fast, but not super fast straight into you

[sand umbra]

I wanted to take notes on this at first

[shell lynx]

But now?

[sand umbra]

because I've been musing on the idea of an SG rework for a while

but after seeing it I'm just

this ain't it, chief

this basically just feels like the current fight with even more arbitrary mechanics added to it

[shell lynx]

What is the least touched biome in calamity?

[sand umbra]

The Hallow, without question.

Literally not even a contest.

[distant gyro]

but what.. is a biome?

[shell lynx]

Does it get anything between hardmode and moon lord?

[distant gyro]

no

crystal blade and crystal crawler but nothing too new

[sand umbra]

It gets exactly one new enemy that exists for the express purpose of dropping Crystal Shards.

[shell lynx]

Hmm

[distant gyro]

plus you can craft crystal blade in the first place afaik

[sand umbra]

Yeah, you can.

So there's really no purpose to it being a Crystal Crawler drop.

[shell lynx]

What could be added that isn’t a material that would give a reason to go to the hallow after mech bosses

[distant gyro]

fish of light is also there

[sand umbra]

mmmmmmmmmmmm

[distant gyro]

I will say there is a contest to added content in Hallow though

Jungle Temple.

[sand umbra]

the Jungle Temple gets a worldgen change to not make it bullshit

[distant gyro]

that's it

and bohldohrs that do nothing

[sand umbra]

...and one new enemy ig

I forgot Temple exists

you'd think they wanna do more with it

what with it being the home(?) of the Jungle Tyrant and all

byeah, tl;dr Jungle Temple stays as irrelevant as ever and so does Hallow

[tepid root]

i dont get this sugg

what does crabulon's theme have to do with it

[hollow idol]

music box:

[tepid root]

[hollow idol]

crabulon isnt even eternally passive iirc

[tepid root]

ok the suggestion died so whatever

[gusty geode]

Imo
Giving people who no-hit control of Calamity's balance is like giving people who play tourneys for a living control of Smash's balance
Maybe it might help, but it often leads to bosses that sacrifice fun in exchange for being reliably no-hitable
Since there are some mechanics that skill can't save you from

[sand umbra]

nohitting is supposed to be a display of heightened skill in the first place

not just a display of knowing how to play the game

as such, it should be considered on separate grounds from normal play when balancing, and normal/average play should always be at the forefront of balancing decisions

[gusty geode]

^

[sand umbra]

I try my best to keep this in mind when I'm balancing anything

or suggesting balancing changes, for that matter

yes, I nohit sometimes. doesn't mean I'm going to let that cloud my judgement of what will and won't cuck a newer player out of any fun the game can offer

with that in mind, I wanna pitch a few things here

possible Slime God changes I guess

• General reduction of stats for Ebonian and Crimulan Slime Gods, Core becomes a bit beefier in return
• Crimulan Slime God now inflicts Burning Blood instead of Cursed
• Both Slime Gods now act more akin to King Slime and no longer split in two at half health, but each take turns using a special attack when very near the player instead of just shooting lol mines below 50% health (75% health in Expert+, from the start of the fight in Death)
  • Crimulan Slime God fires 5 globs of Ichor upwards in each direction after slamming down on the ground (increases to 8 on each side in Rev+)
  • Ebonian Slime God fires a series of projectiles from the Cursed Flames spell tome (+ a spread of Vile Spit on the final projectile signaled by a bounce in Expert+)
• When the Core is alone, it is faster but cannot turn as sharply
• In Expert+, the Core takes much less damage until the other Slime Gods have been yeeted
• In Rev+, when the Core is alone, it can make its way to a ring of space around the player, spin around them for a bit, and then dash at them similarly to Rev+ Hive Mind (in Death, the Core can do this from the start of the fight, albeit much more rarely and only if the other Slime Gods aren't in close proximity)
• When the Core is alone in Death, it can occasionally stop and gain 96% DR before firing a spread of Cursed Flame fireballs and Ichor globules towards the player for a few moments before starting to chase them again

tl;dr of the above: Core becomes more relevant, other two aren't just King Slimes with Biome Mimic AI and mines

also actual unique AI changes for higher difficulties rather than just "does things faster" "things move faster" "shoots more things"

anywho, thoughts? might post in suggs maybe if it's not illegam...but then again when is anything related to bosses in any fashion accepted

[teal ibex]

the only real complaint i have is scope

i dont disagree with any of these changes but unless they're simpler i don't expect you to get results, basically

but perhaps at least some of it will be considered

[sand umbra]

yeah I figured it's too large-scope to really fly

just some thoughts I've had on how to make the fight more fun and unique

this is the most success I've had with figuring out anything with SG in a while though so that's neat I guess

[hollow idol]

has a boss overhaul suggestion even ever been accepted

[distant gyro]

some

[hollow idol]

Like an entire specific one? or just “Make better because x”

[ashen warren]

they've happened

[hollow idol]

heck, never noticed

[tired haven]

Why do I smell nohitting burnout

[sand umbra]

on who's end are we talking burnout here

[tired haven]

On Umbrella's End
huh, that's fitting

[sand umbra]

ah, I see

[distant gyro]

I'm pretty sure some of Yata's were sent and implemented. But he's one of the first and many more have sprung up @hollow idol

eg. Prime Cannon shooting rockets and Retinazer phase 1 having better accuracy checking from his msgs here

[wide flicker]

Imagine not having any hooks when you get to the slime god fight

[sand umbra]

a fight can assume you have a hook and still be unfair even if you do

[wide flicker]

Aye fair enough

[tired haven]

scal is unfair with everything pls nerf

[sand umbra]

crab pls

[tired haven]

(except she is not and I just did a bad haha funny)

[queen sail]

Make scal deal 0 damage and have a 100 hitcap

[sand umbra]

[queen sail]

Has anyone done a flight/mountless scal run

[wide flicker]

That sounds painful

[cloud surge]

Someone did a DaD but that was an older scal

[distant gyro]

defiled mountless is kinda chill because rocket boots + hook abuse

hookless though

[cloud surge]

Motionless scal

[sand umbra]

Luigi% SCal

[wide flicker]

Scal but you have no computer screen or keyboard

Just a mouse

[gusty geode]

Fr I'd love to see boss rush but underwater

[queen sail]

Deep diver abuse

[cloud surge]

Crab you did destroyer with a platinum shortsword and without moving you can do scal without moving

[tired haven]

That's one flawed logic

[sand umbra]

platinum shortsword.

[wide flicker]

Use copper like a real masochist

[sand umbra]

What do you mean that these two things are nothing alike?

[wide flicker]

Or broken wooden hammer

[queen sail]

Obligatory “Defeat AllBoss with Menacing Hallowed Armor and Legendary Vampire Knives”

Anyways sugma time now

[tired haven]

menacing hallowed armor

[teal ibex]

i did bossrush but underwater smh

though i had to escape to hell for scal and there was no water there cuz she used to clear fluids

[tired haven]

Didn't nohit, didn't do it
simple as that smh

[teal ibex]

[quartz hare]

https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/654758185785229313 changed it a bit

[queen sail]

Btw uhhh

Is the guy who posts which suggs got green checked, accepted, admitted, and rejected still here orrrr

:whenlifegetsatyou:

[sand umbra]

Merkiplier is not online currently, no

[queen sail]

[void kelp]

but rover and other folks can do it

[teal ibex]

i'd keep track of it but i've temporarily stepped down as a tester

[terse sundial]

yeah, I kinda stopped doing that for a while, I'll send a bunch of them in about 20 mins

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren That should be a Google Doc, not a text file. More accessible that way, people won't need to download anything

I thought at least one person woulda mentioned it

[hollow saffron]

Make an accessory that allows bullets/arrows to be infintely used

Reason: Yes, this is done by other mods. I am well aware of this. However, most mods don't offer infinte arrow/bullet compatibility with Calamity. On my playthroughs at the very least, this has led me to use vanilla ammo far more than Calamity ammo, especially when you consider that some ammo is considerably expensive to craft at the progression stage that it would most likely be used at(Take Hyperius/Terra bullets and Elysian Arrows as an example). Allowing rangers to use infinite ammo in Calamity, or making an accessory to do the same, would certainly

i posted this earlier but i didnt see any feedback

and then accidentally closed discord

[radiant meadow]

infinite ammo is a balancing point

so the accessory would have to probably be pretty late in the game

[hollow saffron]

oh i forgot to post the second part of the sugg

[hollow shell]

Yeah I dunno why you'd want to remove resource management from ranger

[hollow saffron]

i said Alternatively, add the endless quiver recipe to the elemental quiver and give it the functionality

[hollow shell]

There's a reason only the two weakest ammos have infinites

[hollow saffron]

but forgot to add it

[queen sail]

1. Making infinite ammo of all kinds turns Ranger into a Mary Sue class

However, most mods don't offer infinte arrow/bullet compatibility with Calamity.

[hollow saffron]

also rover good point

[queen sail]

LuiAFK

[hollow saffron]

it does that?

uh

i wasnt aware

[radiant meadow]

yes it does

[hollow saffron]

dang oof

[hollow shell]

Its universal

[radiant meadow]

requires max stack + though iirc

[hollow saffron]

ah ok

[hollow shell]

Have 3997 of any ammo makes it nonconsumable

[hollow saffron]

imean the last time i played calamity was super long ago

oh yeah that

[radiant meadow]

infinity mod also has calamity compatibility but idk if it's up to date w/ new tmodloader

[hollow saffron]

i dont use infinity oof

also yeah i played calamity like a few months back so i had to reinstall tmodloader lol

so yeah ive been out of touch

[tired haven]

Wouldn't that be 3996 btw?

[sand umbra]

Infinity works on new TML

although it's, erm. a bit out of date

hasn't had an update in over a year

[hollow saffron]

yes crab

[hollow shell]

ye ye

[ornate loom]

i want a consumable item that stops invasions

for when you're busy

and this appears

[swift wadi]

If you want a solution now, Fargo's Mutant adds an npc that can do just that for you

I wouldn't mind an item like that, but it would take away any authority that the invasion/random events have

Things like Blood Moon and Solar Eclipse already get meme'd on by Cosmolight

[gusty geode]

^

[hollow saffron]

if youre gonna do that you might as well add in an item in death mode that disables random boss spawning

oh wait you can just leave the biome

[arctic wren]

if youre gonna do that you might as well add in an item in death mode that disables random boss spawning

There is
It's called "keep it on rev up until right before you actually spawn in the boss"
:P

As for the event blockers ... they're annoying but random events are rare enough that it's not a huge deal imo

So I don't think it's really necessary

[hollow saffron]

yeah

lol chip imean like, without having to change the difficulty

but thats besides the point

[queen sail]

Aren’t pets mostly meant to be vanity

[potent veldt]

They are

Which, makes Hermit's even weirder

[brittle merlin]

isn’t hermits a donator item?

[potent veldt]

It is, but I don't see that being reason enough to stop other pets from getting similar minor buffs

[brittle merlin]

i was saying that more towards the part where you mentioned removing the full hp heal

[queen sail]

Tbh, only such few pets in mods and vanilla have unique effects iirc

[potent veldt]

Oh yeah, that's one of the bigger subtextual reasons I wouldn't remove it

[queen sail]

And i think in vanilla it’s only light pets

[swift wadi]

make hermit box work in inventory and when equiped

There ez

[potent veldt]

Well, all light pets are considered to be past vanity so

All vanilla normal pets never do anything

[novel pebble]

Make hermit an accessory big brain

[potent veldt]

Also that would be really odd for it to work in inventory since wouldn't that I mean two pets?

An entire accessory slot for a very easily fixable issue?

[swift wadi]

It can be already cant it

[potent veldt]

Can it?

If it can, that doesn't really make it anymore useful

[swift wadi]

I thought it could

[potent veldt]

If it can, then it's just a useless accessory that happens to be pet-able

[swift wadi]

nvm it cant

[gusty geode]

Pets aren't supposed to have a use tho
That's the point

[radiant meadow]

hermit box is Mrrp's dev pet

[hollow saffron]

how the hell would pets have effects

actually ya know what

i have an idea for that

play summoner class

[hollow shell]

did you guys uhh

did you actually read his suggestion?

[hollow saffron]

yes i did

first i wanna know if it is feasable

tbh

rover is it possible

[hollow shell]

Yes because Hermit already grants an effect, hence the suggestion.

[hollow saffron]

ah ok

btw when it says it respawns you at full health

does that mean that when you respawn you have full health

or something else

[hollow shell]

What do you think

[hollow saffron]

i think thats what it means

just wanted to c l a r i f y

also would existing pets get some of these functionalities?

like having the cosmic plushie grants you something like instant respawn

[hollow shell]

You could give pets any functionality you want
The only reason most don't is because of standard

[hollow saffron]

ye

[hollow shell]

Thorium adds a light pet which attacks enemies

[hollow saffron]

i feel like having normal pets give some sort of qol effect could be cool

some* normal pets

[radiant meadow]

pets can give effects easily

unless the effect is something dumb and difficult

[placid girder]

i feel like stuff like giving light seems alright

as that one pumpkin moon pet does that

maybe fetching items or something

[hollow saffron]

ceasless hunger

[hollow shell]

fetching nearby items would be neat and probably theoretically possible with enough effort put into it

Ceaseless Hunger doesn't negate any and all fetching or reach buffs
because thats a short term limited-supply consumable

[hollow saffron]

maybe it could work as a pre-CV thing

fair

[dawn heron]

Or like a pet that would fight for you, like a dog, but it can die and you have to wait before you can spawn it again.

[hollow shell]

Perfect
A worse minion

It does make sense considering its a midway point between a useless familiar pet and a fighting familiar minion

[hollow saffron]

honestly doing that with dogs would give me sad flashbacks from minecraft

[loud steeple]

Then have it be a small flying dragon or some shit like that

[potent veldt]

I would prefer if all pets got some form of effect, granted I also completely agree with many of them not being useful

Like, TrashCan can just apply Stinky to everything nearby

[runic heath]

I think ideally you should just spawn with full hp tbh

So that way you can at least customize with different pets and not be at a disadvantage

[potent veldt]

Well the issue with that is just that vanilla customization doesn't even think that far

And I don't mean for pets, I mean for light pets, which are actually useful

Some are way more useful than others

Yet, still you just have to choose one over the other

So, I wouldn't say the focus of my suggestion is "Make it so I can choose my pet without feeling weaker"

It's "Make it so there's not only one pet I'd ever care about"

[runic heath]

That’s fair, more pet variety would be neat.

[hexed hedge]

Something cool I could see from that is, for example. The Levi pet.
Hard to get of course, but it could give you a chance to be missed by damage or something?
Giving you a bit more incentive to go after it

[amber elk]

it'd be nice to give the pets really niche uses, but neat ones to have.

[gusty geode]

Does this mean we're gonna start seeing suggestions to give vanity armor functionality

[amber elk]

hero's clothes give beam sword effect when

[hallow kraken]

Alright, add souls of fright or something to hell burst’s recipe because immediate upgrade

Even worse, an immediate upgrade to a calamity buffed weapon

[swift wadi]

shouldn't you have a reason for/why you post a suggestion

[sand umbra]

@willow dagger reasoning?

[swift wadi]

Like what does "nerf" mean

You gotta elaborate a lot more then that

[karmic stone]

If you happen to be at Pre-Mechs, remember that there are 3 bosses whose only condition to spawn is night time

[queen sail]

Annnnnnnnnd that’s a blue check

[distant gyro]

I want to blue check that but I'm not sure if this differs enough from just removing death spawns completely

[willow dagger]

i can elaborate more if you want but i think its pretty clear

[distant gyro]

Ye I blue check it now ig as it follows the same fundamental reason

[willow dagger]

I cant suggest a number for the reduced chance because i dont understand the spawning mechanics

[distant gyro]

which is "death mode spawns too often etc"

[swift wadi]

I've never had a deathmode spawn

[willow dagger]

maybe im just unlucky lol

[karmic stone]

Deus can appear from a death spawn?

That's new

[willow dagger]

i could barely build 30 platforms before getting assaulted

[swift wadi]

Did you notice any messages in chat?

[distant gyro]

did you happen to attack enemies there while doing so

[swift wadi]

Because it sounds like you nat spawned him

[willow dagger]

oh that might be it actually

ill edit that but i stick by what i said w mechs

[queen delta]

@distant gyro Mind if I see the suggestion that was sent before this and is similar?

If said suggestion was to remove boss spawns, I wouldn’t consider that a blue check

[willow dagger]

it wasnt remove just reduce the rate

it wasnt very specific but as i said i dont understand how the spawning works in the first place to comment on that

[queen delta]

Altix supposedly gave your suggestion a blue check because another suggestion similar to yours was sent before

But I dont remember seeing a suggestion asking to nerf the spawn rates

All I saw was removing them

[hollow shell]

Same

I'll remove the bluecheck for now unless Altix can provide

[willow dagger]

thanks

[tired haven]

I didn't find any suggestions that implied to reduce spawns, only to remove them

[ashen warren]

@hollow shell I updated my suggestion

[distant gyro]

I recall a few of them being put out but most of them were probably deleted due to poor execution/reasoning. I wasn't so sure either but ig that can be off @queen delta @hollow shell

[hollow shell]

aight

Thank you Arsene

[golden narwhal]

During the random deathmode spawns, make Crabulon spawn as he would with the Decapodita Sprout rather than in the nearest mushroom biome.
Reason: When two mushroom biomes are close enough to each other, Crabulon can spawn away from your arena in the other biome. The deathmode spawn already relies on the player being in a mushroom biome, so it will be much more convenient if Crabulon spawned near your position than having to run to an unprepared biome.

haven't suggested yet, also a resuggestion because...

[hollow shell]

You could post that, yeah
Original is pretty old iirc

Original had image accompaniment but I don't think it's needed, considering you described the situation just fine with words.

ah hol up, didn't realize you'd posted a version of that last month

Still fine to post. Won't get bluechecked this time.

[golden narwhal]

k

[hollow saffron]

@willow dagger just wondering, how exactly could the spawns be nerfed? wdym by that

from what i see youve outlined whats wrong with the current system

[swift wadi]

Don't Uelibloom slimes exist

[tawny wind]

Yes but it's easier to mine as to kill slimes and plantera and golem are boring if you need to get for example living shards for cosmilite weapons

[swift wadi]

Cosmilite weapons don't take living shards? Not many at least, and at that point you can one shot plant

And just zerg

and easy money

Why would you need Uelibloom at Post DoG anyway?

[lost agate]

Uh i doubt uelibloom is that hard to find to require an alternate method

[tawny wind]

@@swift wadi Yes but thats boring to oneshot plant it could be a new challange

[lost agate]

Let alone making even more bosses be buffed by provi

[swift wadi]

Buffed bosses post Provi are easily defeated post DoG aswell

[lost agate]

So theres not much point aside from getting uelibloom from somewhere else for some reason

[swift wadi]

uelibloom isn't a high demand resource, it's current methods of obtaining it are fine

IMO

[lost agate]

Not to mention plant and golem would be a joke with the mobility from post provi

[austere lion]

bloom slime exists

zerg underground jungle and you shall get 500 uelibloom ores in no time

[distant gyro]

people be pointing out bloom slimes but jungle crates have a 25% chance to give 5-10 uelibars post-prov per crate

[austere lion]

It'd require 200-400 crates to get 500 uelibloom ores

[distant gyro]

except that it's not the ore that's dropping

it's bars

[swift wadi]

Holy fuck what

[distant gyro]

ye

[austere lion]

then it'd require at least 50 crates to get 500 bars if u are lucky enough to get 5 bars per crate

[distant gyro]

implying you'd ever need 500 bars

[austere lion]

you'd need at least 70 bars per playthrough

[swift wadi]

[distant gyro]

all that matters is that there is an alternative

33 + 7 + 10 is not 70 btw

[austere lion]

That's for some weapons too

43 bars for tarragon armor and elderberry

bloom slimes will give you more uelibloom than crates anyways

[swift wadi]

That's a specific item, not allowed

[zenith hazel]

@warm marlin that's a specific item suggestion, please read the suggestion don'ts doc in the pins

[radiant meadow]

ye, specific items aren't allowed

[warm marlin]

Sorry, I have edited it to be less specific

[swift wadi]

I think it's still too specific

make sure to read the doc as brav said

Will help you

[warm marlin]

Does 'Post-Moon Lord Sun God Staff Upgrade' sound better? Sorry, I thought through this idea a lot last night 😂

[radiant meadow]

yes, but add a reason why

[warm marlin]

will do, I'll redo the post

[radiant meadow]

why the weapon should be added

that's much better

[swift wadi]

Starring that for pure commitment

Also not a bad idea

[warm marlin]

Thanks 😂 If I come up with an idea, I think it through properly 😂

[quartz hare]

i think Fassbol wont add specific items

like upgrade of something etc

[warm marlin]

I did change the post, and a mod has approved it, if it doesn't get added, that's fine, at least the idea is there 😂

[tepid root]

Fassbol

[warm marlin]

You never heard of Fassbol? It's the anti of Fabsol, no wonder he wouldn't approve it 😂

[hallow kraken]

May I make another “move hell burst recipe by adding souls of fright because immediate upgrade to vile shard” text here

[zenith hazel]

take this channel seriously please

sure if you want

[hallow kraken]

Ok

Add souls of fright or a different post-hardmode boss material to hell burst. What was the point of buffing crystal vile shard when you can just upgrade it immediately?

[distant gyro]

same for crystal flare staff btw

[sand umbra]

SuperHot take:

Hell Burst could be moved to late Hardmode w/ Ashes of Calamity or Chaotic Bars + some other fire- or hell-related mats

[karmic stone]

That would be ugly

[sand umbra]

the hell you mean it'd be ugly, it'd make sense

[karmic stone]

It just feels unnecessary, I haven't seen anyone complain about refights or smth

Are we talking about the same thing

[sand umbra]

oh wait you meant the latest sugg

[karmic stone]

[sand umbra]

I'm smart I swear

honestly it seems like a neat visual but like

it wouldn't really change anything

[karmic stone]

unnecessary
Yea

[queen delta]

I'm pretty sure this was said many times before, but not everything has to be tied to lore

[supple lodge]

It would just make a bit more sense to me

[queen delta]

Yeah, but most calamity players don't know/care about lore, myself included

[distant gyro]

also not worth the effort/ probably looks ugly on some bosses

[opal barn]

lore related sugma

[tired haven]

Some gameplay-plot holes better be left as is

Otherwise not playing on Hardcore should be illegal or will look silly story-wise, yknow

[hearty yew]

@steel raptor Hell yeah. This has pissed me off forever.

The Abyss exists as a well defined area and theme. Neither of these items fit it.

[steel raptor]

I just noticed this when I was looking up items with "abyss" in them.

Then I'm like, why were these names never changed at all during the 22 months after the Abyss biome has launched?

[hearty yew]

If you've got suggestions for the names let me know. I'm thinking Putrid Tome and Fracture Hammer.

[steel raptor]

@hearty yew I'm thinking the hammer could be something like "Shardlight Warhammer" or "Darklight Warhammer," as some of the weapons/tools made from Cryonic Bars begin with adjectives like or similar to the ones listed above.

I think Putrid Tome as a name fits because it derives from the corruption.

[queen sail]

Putrid mine

Inflicts Stinky

[steel raptor]

the mine from the ebonian slime god?

[hearty yew]

Yeah true it can just reflect the pickaxe name

[terse sundial]

@stiff tapir please give a reason behind it

also 7 accessory slots in expert +, and 6 in normal seems to be plenty to most people

edit your reasoning into your suggestion, don't just fragment more text onto it please

[stiff tapir]

idk why i even said that

[quartz hare]

hehe

[stiff tapir]

lol

[terse sundial]

alright

[quartz hare]

🧱

[stiff tapir]

shh

[brittle merlin]

@modern loom what is this supposed to mean?

[modern loom]

what?

[brittle merlin]

your suggestion

[modern loom]

oh

[topaz bramble]

Nice™️

so uh

[modern loom]

i want to craft hear of waifu but the only thing that's left is material from the bee

[topaz bramble]

that's for suggesting things that should be added or changed with the mod

if you want to ask for advice on thee game, go to one of the other channels

[modern loom]

-_- please re-direct

[brittle merlin]

#help-advice-read-pins

[topaz bramble]

#calamity-mod-talk

oh, that works too

lol

[plush locust]

bruhhhhhh

[modern loom]

._. thanks

[terse sundial]

think i'll just delete the suggestion then

[karmic stone]

[frail mantle]

worm summon ono

also specific item suggestion

[radiant meadow]

Worm summons are ech

[hollow shell]

@warm marlin Specific item suggestions are not allowed

[terse sundial]

^

[hollow shell]

Suggestions for adding new items for given reasons need to be more general and conceptual than that

[karmic stone]

[Class] Weapon for [Tier] because [Reason] is as far as you can go iirc

And the reason is lack of weapons for [Class] most of the time

[warm marlin]

Yeah, I had thought with the mech worm having a history of being broken it would be hard, but the idea is there. Sorry I overthink these ideas sometimes have have to go back sometimes, just did re-done it

[frail mantle]

i'd remove the parts with the function of the weapons

[hollow shell]

And of course the names

But you can suggest that there be new weapons after EoW/BoC but before Hive/Perfs

[cobalt rose]

well actually that brings me to something i wanted to suggest:
a ranged weapon dropped from abyss minibosses post-polter because it's the only class that doesnt have a weapon drop at this "tier" and no, Halibut Cannon does not count

[sand umbra]

correction: SAC

which is apparently good despite me never being able to pin down how the hell you're supposed to use it

[hollow shell]

(SAC: Sulphuric Acid Cannon)

[sand umbra]

mhm

dropped from Maulers post-Polterghast

[cobalt rose]

well why does it have to be from a sulphuric sea miniboss

[sand umbra]

it's the post-Polter ranger Abyss wep but actually not exactly

[opal barn]

Why does it have to be from abyss

[hollow shell]

^

[radiant meadow]

If you don't like SAC, use Halley's Inferno, I ten out of 10 recommend no bias

[sand umbra]

Halley's is hella good too, ye

[hollow shell]

The point being there does exist a ranged weapon at that tier already

[cobalt rose]

right, right, im a fucking idiot

[hollow shell]

aight

[warm marlin]

Yeah, there's 1 of every class weapon from the Abyss/Sulphur Sea post-Polt. Soul Edge, SAC, Ediolc Wail, Calamari Lament and Valediction

[cobalt rose]

yes i know
im stupid

[hollow shell]

(well, 2 for rogue since Deep Sea Dumbell)

(technically 3 if you count The Reaper)

[frail mantle]

also tbh ranged is strong enough at DoG

Seadragon does well enough, Halley's Inferno is really good, iirc Daemon's Flame is good too

[sand umbra]

has sea derg, ye

[frail mantle]

also i guess Halimeme counts too but who actually bothers to farm for it pre-DoG

[hollow shell]

I would never count Halibut for anything ever

[frail mantle]

[gusty geode]

It's called playing the game

Mod was advertised to be more difficult than your average one what did you expect

[ashen warren]

or play on normal mode

[hollow shell]

@ripe umbra That mode exists, and is called Normal Mode

[cobalt rose]

"but i want the expert drops"

[hollow shell]

Post-ML content is supposed to be more difficult than pre-ML content
such is the concept of game progression

If you're having a tough time with bosses
keep practicing
look up guides and strategies, optimal loadouts, etc

[karmic stone]

doesn't feel quite like an epic endgame boss
Because she isn't one

[golden narwhal]

True, but in lore, Moon Lord was beat up way more tham she was

[karmic stone]

Which is why she's stronger as of now

[golden narwhal]

^

[cobalt rose]

also basically the main reasoning for this suggestion is "lore consistency"

[sand umbra]

I mean, tbf
lore consistency really does need to be taken a good deal more seriously with Clam, if you ask me

but then again what do my thoughts on it matter

[severe vapor]

^

Especially that last part

Lel

[wild yoke]

Honestly, a main reason for that suggestion is I want SOMETHING done with the solar cultist textures

[cobalt rose]

:br:

that is... not a good reason

or at least, not a good way of trying to implement them

[gusty geode]

You know
I actually didn't notice the parallels between Prov and ML til now

[cobalt rose]

i haven't

[sand umbra]

there are considerable similarities between them, yeah

[queen sail]

Make Solar Cultists spawn post ML but have them promote into the profaned guardians after 4 seconds

[karmic stone]

Clam EX

[queen sail]

Infernium EX

[gusty geode]

Gods that got their asses kicked by someone stronger than them, now reside in a celestial body for one reason or another, and are waiting on some kind of event that would enable them to rise victorious over whatever it is that defeated them before

[frail mantle]

iirc "because lore" usually isn't a good thing to have as reasoning behind a suggestion

[gusty geode]

Otherwise CV would have a black hole attack

[sand umbra]

additionally, from a gameplay perspective, although perhaps less significant; both rely on a "gateway boss" of sorts that exists almost solely to allow their summoning ritual to be performed

[gusty geode]

^

[queen sail]

Unfortunately one’s considered a boss more than the other one

[sand umbra]

(LC for ML, Guardians for Provi)

[queen sail]

[gusty geode]

Guardians deserve better dammit

[sand umbra]

they really do

[queen sail]

They don’t really need new attacks or ais at this point

They just need to be worthwhile

[sand umbra]

their fight itself is fine, probably, although perhaps some more interactions with solo or dual Guardians would be appreciable

rather than having a set "main" guardian

the big thing they need is drops

[queen sail]

At this point birb’s more of the pre prov boss than the guardians

And the guardians should be more lore relevant than the birbs

[sand umbra]

while you can make the argument LC doesn't have a lotta drops on his own, I should point out LC unlocks the Lunar Events AND drops the Ancient Manipulator, the crafting station required for like 90% of the shit you make thereafter

[queen sail]

All the guardians drop is potions and the core

Which you can make nonconsumable five minutes later

[sand umbra]

he also allows Atlases to get beefy so Deuces Wild can spawn, btw

so even despite not having a big drop pool of his own, the aftermath of LC's fight more or less makes up for that fact by unlocking a whole new wealth of content

[opal barn]

another lore sugma

[queen sail]

“But making it nonconsumable is just an option” yes but it’s an option that makes the player’s life more convenient

[sand umbra]

Guardians drop two things, one of which can be made a non-consumable thing basically instantaneously, and unlike LC there is no reason to fight the bunch of them again

(keep in mind that LC resummons Pillars and can drop Eidolon Staff and Arch Amaryllis even after initial defeat --- while the former point is made a moot one by the Astral bosses, it's still something to consider)

[teal ibex]

the only reason i haven't suggested the core dropping as a nonconsumable is the lack of application of unholy essence as a result

something needs to fill that void first imo

[frail mantle]

if Prov and her drops were to be moved to directly post-ML tier, wouldn't that mean that your proposed new Luminite-tier ore would be Uelibloom?

[golden narwhal]

Which would make providence the way to go since getting her ore doesn't require beating her 10 times

Not to mention she might have to be nerfed a bit because of the lack of celestial onion in expert and weaker armors pre-ml

Also just realized making her an actual alt for ml requires changing her attacks since she was made to be more difficult than ml, and lowering her health wouldn't change that

[scenic aspen]

I mean i feel like there's a reason of why bosses are made that way, if they really wanted to go tied to the lore 100% they wouldn't make nonsensical stuff

[plush locust]

Moon Lord is a bad boss, why would you want to make providence a copy of moon lord

Why would anyone want to be copying vanilla bosses

Horrible design mindset

[novel pebble]

He didn't say to make Providence to be Moon Lord

[scenic aspen]

Yeah that too

[novel pebble]

Just make Providence the same tier as Moon Lord

Unless I am understanding something wrong

[scenic aspen]

It would require a lot of balancing and changes

[golden narwhal]

As stated above and more

[scenic aspen]

I think the suggestion wants something like Crimson/Corruption. Two sides with different content that you can tackle (I know one of the two only spawn but you are the one deciding which to choose + you can try to make the one you didn't choose with the land on the island

My improvised idea is to make a Solar Cultists/Monster that's a counter of LC,dropping 2 weapons and a counter of Ancient Manipulator like Demon/Crimson Altars or Orichalcul/Mythril Anvil. After that it could trigger a different version of the Pillars that are more armored like the Guardians requiring less minions to destroy their shield but after hitting them they start charging and using attacks of their respective pillars and have more defense/hp (Basically that version of the invasion would make the pillars the bigger threat rather than the swarm of minions)

[cobalt rose]

ah yes
just make another event, boss, enemies, and all that and more

[void kelp]

psst sugmas from 12/06/19 onward to now havent been sent yet; i only feel it prudent to send a reminder when its been a week;;

[scenic aspen]

That's just what i feel that dude wants

Which is just plain stupid in the idea of "Really all of that just to tie the lore perfectly?"

[steel raptor]

A lot of the devs are on break rn

That's why the recent suggs with 90+ stars haven't been sent yet

[terse sundial]

i'll get to it when I can

[void kelp]

yeye, thanks merk!

[ebon mesa]

Making Prov an alt ML would be lame, it would remove a post ML boss

thus less content because after one the other is nullified

[austere lion]

invisible dye mod exists

[ebon mesa]

shouldnt have to use an extra mod for something like this methinks

[hallow kraken]

[tired haven]

One simple workaround is to use cobalt shield in vanitywhich is pretty smol

[sand umbra]

oh no I sugged this at one point

don't eviscerate me pls :c

actually wait a minute when the hell did this become a don't

and better, why

[hallow kraken]

Frequently suggested

[sand umbra]

oh, so it's not a don't

[hallow kraken]

Because “if a lot of people want it never add it in”

[queen sail]

Plaguenades

[sand umbra]

makes sense to me ||not||

[queen sail]

[tired haven]

I'm pretty sure it's listed under frequent, not actual don't

The doc isn't literally just donts yknow

[sand umbra]

apologies, I haven't read that doc in a while and the way they posted the pic makes it seem like a don't

[queen sail]

Mobile bad

[sand umbra]

I really should read through that doc again

[tired haven]

yep

[sand umbra]

been a fair while since the last time I took a look at it

anywho
I don't really get the point of avoiding ModConfigs (or some other way to toggle the various bash-dashes Calamity adds) like the plague

it's clear a lot of people want a way to more freely toggle the dash without ruining their look and I highly doubt it's very difficult to add such a thing

[hallow kraken]

Why would people want to disable the dash?

[sand umbra]

they don't

they do want a good look without Valor/Aegis ruining it

[queen sail]

They want a dash but no shield basically

[sand umbra]

the current toggle is visibility --- you only get the dash if vis is turned on

[hallow kraken]

But wants the point of making dash toggleable?

[sand umbra]

what was the point of making shit toggle by vis in the first place

[queen sail]

Bc some people don’t like double tap dashing ig

The ones that got the same treatment followed suit

Ig

[tired haven]

Because some dashes overlap each other and some people prefer tabi style

(and ingame configs weren't there when that was implemented)

[sand umbra]

(okay but they're there now)

(and it likely isn't too hard to change)

[queen sail]

Time to do it :echcease:

[hallow kraken]

So config time?

[sand umbra]

(so like I ask again, why )

[tired haven]

Configs are in positive to change but it takes time so

[sand umbra]

all good things take time

like Draedon and the big-ass rogue expansion

[queen sail]

Add support for TModloader’s Configuration System.

Reason: We have a decent amount of configs by now, and I don’t think people want to click out of their game and edit a document for certain things.

[tired haven]

There is really no need to suggest that because devs are aware

[hollow saffron]

^

@ripe umbra yo its called normal mode

[terse rain]

Bind aegis dash enablement to a key the same way that the thing that makes you tankier is bound to N

[civic pond]

but why

[hallow kraken]

I don’t know, what if

Something else I don’t know is what the suggestion means

Future mod content

[proven tide]

this feels like a boss sugg of some sort

not quite sure how it falls though

[tired haven]

There is special boss zen, no need to use other one

[hearty yew]

boss zen exists already yeah

[hollow shell]

The suggestion's to despawn enemies that exist prior to the boss spawning
cuz Boss Zen doesn't help for those

I do question the specificity of only Post-ML bosses only in Rev+

[tired haven]

I somewhat doubt that because there is a mention of ruined adrenaline which is only somewhat brutal 15 seconds into fight when your even leftover enemies should be naturally dead

[hollow shell]

It's not a problem in terms of like suggestion specificity invalidity
I just mean like it's a weirdly small area of effect

hmn

@willow dagger You might wanna mention Boss Zen in your suggestion somehow
either its ineffectiveness or how your suggestion could change it or whatever

considering that is the current in-game solution to your problem

[hearty yew]

ok i apologize for being dismissive

this is a good point

boss rush despawns everything, but boss zen only applies once the boss is already there

[willow dagger]

@hollow shell ok ill add that

[hollow shell]

Thank you

[karmic stone]

Nice

[frail mantle]

remember that Astral is all-class, not mage-specific, like Ataxia with the Mage helmet

[austere lion]

astral focuses more on damage output

[ashen warren]

I always thought that astral armor was for mining lol

[quartz hare]

wha-

[versed mica]

Well it doesn’t show the set bonus until you put on all of it

[quick ice]

Limit Eidolon Wyrms to Layer 4 Abyss Only:
Besides the obvious fact that everyone hates getting destroyed by these mini-bosses in hardmode during a layer 3 exploration, only moving the Eidolon Wyrm to layer 4 only would help reduce the amount of Wyrm enemies players have to deal with here. The Gulper Eel and Oarfish also spawn in layer 3, so moving the Eidolon Wyrms to Layer 4 only would help reduce the constant attacks from these worm enemies.

Nerf Gulper Eel:
Just tieing this on since it's related to the last suggestion, but nerf the Gulper Eel a little bit. It currently has half of the HP and comparable damage to a miniboss, and for a layer 3 enemy it's too powerful

thoughts on these suggestions? Hoping people like them since 3 Abyss Worm Enemies = Bad

[sand umbra]

worm enemies = good

but only in moderation