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#suggestions-discussion
queen sail
Honestly
Make ore enemies less common and more tough but make them give an abundance of ore
hollow shell
That'd be nice
queen sail
Alternatives 
ashen warren
also why two types of evil slimes
queen sail
Go the easier route of mining and get normal yields or hunt uncommon ore minibosses and get bigger yields
hollow shell
Because there are two world evils...
tired haven
Because vanilla is only hm
ashen warren
they are just b i g g e r
queen sail
Yes
ashen warren
y tho
hollow shell
Crimslime is indeed Hardmode exclusive
gusty geode
Also why are said blight slimes the only real enemies this mod gives the world evils
hollow shell
as are Slimers
queen sail
Why is green jellyfish a hm exclusive enemy when it’s just the same as any other jellyfish
ashen warren
green is cool
queen sail
Green is the color of 
ashen warren
to make the world a bit refreshing i guess
hollow shell
Someone go suggest Blight Slimes be given a new function or something else interesting
queen sail
Anyways gonna be making that “Remove ore slimes and make them rewarding but rare ore minibosses” sugma brb
ashen warren
hollow shell
I already proposed something to Fab about it which he acknowledged, but more demand wouldn't hurt
gusty geode
Shot down for requiring effort 
queen sail
Revamp the Ore Slimes to be slightly intimidating and uncommon minibosses while increasing the amount of ore they drop.
That a good sugma title
...
@fervent citrus why
tired haven
biome mimic slimes boogaloo, yey
sand umbra
please no more Biome Mimic slimes
ashen warren
terminus 2
tired haven
Also uh yeah why and what the shrine item combo
queen sail
Inb4 he replies two years later
sand umbra
we already have 2 King Slimes with Biome Mimic AI and the result isn't fun for anybody involved
queen sail
hollow shell
You need a reason for that, Luminite
Also that's like impossible because some are different types of items entirely
fervent citrus
i accidentally sent it too early
ashen warren
terminus 2 deletes your world
queen sail
Br
fervent citrus
terminus?
ashen warren
but on the next world you are given Rock 2
queen sail
Terminus is the BR item
ashen warren
it also does nothing
queen sail
And also a shrine item
hollow shell
Assumedly you aren't counting Murasama and Terminus as shrine items
which is fine
ashen warren
Calamity Battle Royale™
queen sail
Also sacrificing Murasama for “muh nother endgame accessory”
fervent citrus
wait, so an item out of every single shrine item is impossible?
ashen warren
you could but it'd make no sense
mossy shale
Multiple worlds lol
ashen warren
not impossible just cringe
queen sail
Literally only 4 shrine items are accessories
ashen warren
queen sail
fervent citrus
ight imma delete that
ashen warren
hmm yes today i will combine 4 accessories, 2 tiles, 2 mounts, an arkhalis clone, and boss rush summon into one super item
hollow shell
The effigies are placeable, Onyx and Leash are mounts, the rest are accessories
distant gyro
gusty geode
Aerilite: special Harpy
Charred: giant despair stone
Uelibloom: post-Prov Plantera rematch drops a shitton of it
queen sail
Nahhhhh
ashen warren
oh no more plantera
queen sail
Also harpies don’t fit imo
queen sail
Also not a shitton
Maybe like 30-60 each miniboss
Idk how expensive is stuff like this again
sand umbra
"hmm yes Harpies, this SKY LAYER enemy, don't fit to drop this SKY-THEMED item for SKY THEMING reasons"
distant gyro
I think despair stone and sightseer could exist as is and just drop things
ashen warren
yeah because aerialite fuckin spawns in the groubd
tired haven
Ah yes
@ terry shrine ench when
distant gyro
I am fine with Aero slimes but put them in space hhy
queen sail
I mean I made a skyskeeter for that point mostly
ashen warren
seriously can aerialite generate like exo clusters
sand umbra
yeah because aerialite fuckin spawns in the groubd
THAT'S A FAULT OF THE ORE'S DESIGN IN THE FIRST PLACE
ashen warren
or something
distant gyro
skeetor
sand umbra
hollow shell
Possibly. Maybe.
ashen warren
fuck it aerialite meteors
hollow shell
Could just reduce Aerialite ore & bar requirements
ashen warren
queen sail
Though tbh aerialite in space would be more fitting
You’re gonna be up there most of the time to get the equipment materials anyways
sand umbra
gusty geode
How about this
Assuming you can filter what block it replaces
Have Aerilite only replace cloud blocks
sand umbra
you very much can filter what block it replaces
queen sail
Well, I mean
hollow shell
You can do that
queen sail
Chlorophyte
hollow shell
but
queen sail
So yes
sand umbra
see also: Cryonic Ore and Uelibloom
ashen warren
if it replaces rain cloud it generates wet aerialite
hollow shell
iunno if that's the super most cash money idea
ashen warren
doesn't do anything because it's wet
queen sail
sand umbra
hollow shell
add in Zephyrs from Aether Mod
sand umbra
can use the design and purpose of ore enemies to one's advantage
hollow shell
turn Aerialite into Aercloud, Aerogel
queen sail
The entire point of the ore enemies should be alternatives
Considering a more viable option is to just farm them atm so no mining
ashen warren
on the topic of ores
distant gyro
fucking crate moment tbh
ashen warren
i still feel like cryo ore and frigid bars are dumb
queen sail
Crates 
ashen warren
one of them should change the name
distant gyro
sky crate stonk
ashen warren
and it should be cryo
sand umbra
VERSTALTITE
distant gyro
queen sail
What did that even mean again
ashen warren
daedalite
sand umbra
who cares, that name is SO MUCH FUCKING COOLER than Cryonic
ashen warren
haha it's in ice so it's cryonic
queen sail
You could say smth smth muh lore reasons bc daedalus and ice but verstaltite could literally just be the name of the metal he used
sand umbra
and it's a mythical alloy used by Daedalus, it needs a cool name
on that note it has no business spawning after Cryogen, it's completely unrelated to Cryo a
gusty geode
Name
sand umbra
name doesn't fucking count h
gusty geode
Also Aerilite spawning after world evil boss 2
sand umbra
and Cryo already drops a bar
distant gyro
cryonic names are memes in itself
hollow shell
It also used to spawn on worldgen
distant gyro
have you seen "abyssal warhammer"
ashen warren
my name is berry alloy and i am the strongest metal alive
distant gyro
which is made of cryonic
sand umbra
ah yes
distant gyro
but the name implies it's abyssal
queen sail
Old item names
ashen warren
wait is stormbow made by daedalus in the lore
queen sail
🤷
ashen warren
h
sand umbra
probably
queen sail
Who fuckin knows
ashen warren
he yoinked it
queen sail
Lore never says anything about the crutch bow
ashen warren
canon now
hollow shell
Daedalus was chaotic neutral confirmed
queen sail
Anyways
ashen warren
daedalus is a morally gray character because he was conflicted between blowing up the bad guys and not blowing up the bad guys
ashen warren
he was also conflicted between being immortal and being dead
gusty geode
Tbf he was also blowing up himself
After having spent decades trying to make himself immortal
sand umbra
I mean byeah
he blew himself up and died after spending basically his whole life working towards the ability to not die
ashen warren
all the fucking explosives traps are his leftovers
queen sail
Revamp the ore slimes into uncommon minibosses with large yields of ore.
Reason: At the moment, not only are the ore slimes bland and generic, they’re sometimes considered a more viable option for ore farming due to them dropping a decent amount of ore on kill. It would be more interesting to have the player put some effort into finding killing ore mobs yet also increase the yields so they are properly rewarded. This creates a balance: go the easier route of making tunnels for 10 minutes straight or spend the time and effort into hunting mobs and get a better reward out of it.
That sound decent
ashen warren
still not sure about tunneling and suddenly getting stomped earth elemental style
well enough shitposting time to sleep
full bramble
"not only ore the ore..."
clever
hollow idol
what about fish?
frank stratus
they just typed "fish" in every channel
karmic stone
@ashen warren @last loom spammed that in all channels apparently
hollow idol
.
ashen warren
i saw
terse sundial
Fucking hell
frank stratus
(aka just ignore it)
potent veldt
Can't tell if this is a bug or something, or if it's intentional but
Make the Dodu's Handcannon not consume stronger bullets automatically
For some reason this thing consistently skips weaker bullets in your inventory for stronger bullets, even if you've specifically ordered them in your ammo/inventory to be shot later. This is especially annoying when you have the endless musket pouch(which the Handcannon does use as an ammo source) and want to use that rather than the stronger, more expensive bullets that you have in your lower slots, which you want to save for later.
terse sundial
Doesn't seem to be intentional, not sure how it's even doing that
potent veldt
It might somehow be because it's consuming ammo in chunks of 5, but that still doesn't make much sense
terse sundial
Yeah, but the ammo isn't requested by rarity ever
potent veldt
But I know it happens, because I've watched later ammos be prioritized while firing it, even though other guns don't do it at all
Also, in case this is somehow an ammo-specific thing, the later ammo I am using is holy fire
terse sundial
Using holy fire and what lower tier bullet?
potent veldt
Endless Musket Pouch
potent veldt
But thats also not true
Because when I get rid of every other ammo in my inventory and just leave the pouch, it uses it
night cradle
might I ask
is it because it consumes five bullets per shot, so it consumes one from the endless pouch and the rest from the other ammo types in the inventory?
for the endless pouch it could just consume all from the pouch
terse sundial
I'll check the source code when I can
potent veldt
Nope
terse sundial
That's a possibility
night cradle
just a thing I though about tho, not sure if that would be true
potent veldt
Consumes a whole 5 from holy fire every time I shoot it
This is my exact ammo layout, btw
night cradle
or maybe it scans and searches for 5 bullets and consumes those instead of from the pouch?
queen sail
terse sundial
This is a bug and not needed to be suggested
potent veldt
Okay, that's why I checked here first
Should I report it in the proper channel, or do you got it?
distant gyro
Pouch bug is patched afaik, and so does Karasawa
potent veldt
It's, not though
terse sundial
It uses the pouch, but still consumes ammo if there is other ammo available
potent veldt
^^^
distant gyro
terse sundial
You are on 1.4.2.108 right? @potent veldt
tired haven
It may be not fully fixed
potent veldt
Yup
terse sundial
Yeah, write up a bug report for #bugs-read-pins
terse sundial
mhm
The issue stems from the "consumes 5 bullets" aspect
it prioritizes the other ammo over the pouch
tired haven
Indeed
because not a single vanilla weapon consumes more than 1 ammo per shot
potent veldt
That's what I figured
terse sundial
Yeah, it may be a problem uncovered from vanilla
tired haven
It's more of modded issue than vanilla because the latter never really breached that either so
placid girder
tbh just yeet all consumes multiple bullet effects
gusty geode
Personally I think finite ammo should be expanded on more as a concept
That was supposed to be
Like all of the challenge in ranger
Having a limited supply of ammo to work with, and picking and choosing effects accordingly
Why do you think bottomless quiver/bullet bag only applied to the normal versions of those ammo types?
You get an infinite amount, but to balance it out, it doesn't do anything fancy
runic heath
I usually would just leave that on and then use other ammo for bosses
Which is alright I guess
It’s kind of weird though because unless you’re REALLY early game, or did something dumb, you won’t run out
summoner
Smh subclass memes
opal barn
summoner is not a subclass though
runic heath
But contrast the ranged thing with magic where you have a limited pool unless you use potions which then limit your damage
I’m joking
opal barn
tired haven
A big deal with summoner is how it offers you free hands at the cost of efficiency
It cannot be just as powerful as other classes because that'd be a balance brainfart bigger than rangers existence
runic heath
Playing summoner solo is just kind of as you just slowly wait for the boss to die
And hope that the summon ai does what it is supposed to do
tired haven
^ pretty much
It wasn't designed for on tier bosses in first place
(tbh I have yet to wonder why did devs come to that concept of summoner)
runic heath
Spider staff versus plantera
Hell yes
I am aware there are upgrades like pirate staff
or optic staff
queen sail
Then Red said “I declare this an official weapon class of the game” before proceeding to half ass it
zealous ridge
yeah, 1.2 is when summons even existed, and it was 1.3 where it was somewhat expanded into a new class entirely
gusty geode
Was gonna say
Should have Optic Stafd by then, that thing kicks ass
tired haven
Most summons kick non-boss encounters to nothingness
runic heath
Yeah 1.2 was like here is basically zero of a class have like 5 weapons have fun
runic heath
Yeah exploring jungle with ice claspers? Easy. actually killing a boss? No
runic heath
bladecrest v scal when?
gusty geode
Tbf "pre-boss" is a lot more general than its given credit for
gusty geode
Even ignoring stuff like that
Can get Jungle Armor and Blade of Grass without getting anywhere close to setting off a boss
potent veldt
pre-boss is very general because you can easily just have your first boss be wof
tired haven
it won't be hard because you can just bury yourself into the ash layer and nothing but serpents will get to you
runic heath
Once you get “underground” hell the only danger is snake and imp
gusty geode
Enchanted Sword, Star Fury
runic heath
If you have a hellevator you can pretty easily attrition yourself to getting everything
Bundle of balloons is pre boss
gusty geode
With enough mining you could get post-EoC Demonite/Crimtane gear
runic heath
~~siren is preboss 
~~
Pre boss doesn’t mean no armor
If you’re below ash you really just have to worry about serpents which while annoying aren’t that bad
tired haven
aew is preboss¿
runic heath
Aew isn’t pre boss
You have to have RoD or BoC lore
Yeah and if you have 400 health
Just don’t get hit 4 times
tired haven
Weird, could've swore it spawns naturally once in a blue moon (not literally)
runic heath
And with a hellevator it is pretty easy to try multiple times
tired haven
Serpents damage let you take like 8 hits tbh
It is already good option
No need for even better one
tbh I hate prehm melee balancing and melee in general because jaja beams everywhere and blades are borderline useless
aside from a few cheese scenarios
karmic stone
Even if you're struggling to use it against hard-to-hit bosses like Skelly
It already deals with slower ones and it also eats invasions/events
Syhea
cobalt rose
"sounds cool" is not a valid reason
hallow kraken
h o w i s i t Q o L
I feel as if a lot of people here don’t understand what “QoL” means
royal turtle
which suggestion is this all about
cobalt rose
the one by crimson cuttlefish
smoky wagon
Renaming something doesnt improve convenience in gameplay
royal turtle
it's not actually a bad suggestion it's just marked up wrong
hallow kraken
Indeed it is not
smoky wagon
in your opinion
hollow shell
@ebon mesa "QoL" alone is not a valid reason
and also not applicable to this situation
queen delta
QoL (Quality of Life) means anything that makes your life easier whether it be minor or major
An auto-fisher is QoL. A name change is not.
void kelp
name changes are good for the sake of consistency and all
karmic stone
But this is unnecessary
swift wadi
As much as i love the idea, it's a bad suggestion
hollow shell
Edit your reason.
To be more fitting
Why do you want the name to be changed
@ebon mesa
ebon mesa
i edited it
hollow shell
oof
cobalt rose
like i said earlier: "sounds cool" is not a valid reason
hollow shell
How about mentioning the alliteration / rhyme
and how the new name would actually reflect what the sprite depicts
ebon mesa
better now?
ebon mesa
no prob
radiant meadow
fungal carapace will still be a thing
radiant meadow
I just mentioned it to point out that it detracts from the rarely used word point
radiant meadow
more obscure words are better iirc
ebon mesa
i just wanted to cover my bases
radiant meadow
allows for some creative naming
radiant meadow
not that craw carapace is super creative in the first place
hollow shell
It is a more fun name
radiant meadow
I don't think it's even a carapace
ebon mesa
i dont even know what a carapace is
ebon mesa
huh
queen sail
A carapace is a shell
hollow shell
I actually thought it was the hard flesh of crustaceans and insects and such
the exoskeleton
And, I was half-right, it is indeed hard flesh
Just a specific portion of it
queen delta
I saw that
ebon mesa
no
hollow shell
I have now added "QoL" and "It'd be cool" and such as reasons to the Suggestion Don'ts doc
Meant to do it earlier but hey it's there now
Put it in its own section titled Suggestion Practices, alongside chaining suggestions
radiant meadow
you know, I think it'd be cool if some QoL was added like maybe a complete revamp of the biomes for thematic effects.
but most importantly, add a tactical nuke to every sunken sea enemy
the place is too passive
except sea serpents, fuck those aggressive bitches
sand umbra
~~hey now, sugg satire is my job
...probably :fail~~
hollow shell
probably fail.
radiant meadow
why do sea serpents even aggro on the player 
teal ibex
i agree
forest python
because deep down in their watery hearts, they know you're ruining their perfect world.
sand umbra
lemme just
Make Sea Serpents not immediately aggro on the player and just passively float around them instead or something until provoked.
❔
They're one of the only enemies in the Sunken Sea that immediately gets pissy with the player. Everything else either is peaceful entirely or is passive until attacked. Why these things?
thoughts?
(edited, unsure if anything else is actually angry on spawn)
teal ibex
please insert at least a single "i love them" thank you
sand umbra
(please correct me if wrong)
radiant meadow
if an entire enemy got scrapped for being not passive and not fitting with the peaceful theme, I honestly don't understand sea serpents eating your ass
I think it's just those ignorant bitches
sand umbra
honestly
even in Hardmode, all Sunken Sea enemies are passive, either entirely or until hurt, with the exception of these things
a
radiant meadow
or at least make them less painful to deal with
sand umbra
...also, I just noticed Prism-Backs deal extra contact damage to targets above them
that is a really nice detail and I love the fact it's there
sand umbra
ye
queen sail
Unfortunately i almost died to one because i forgot about that
During one of my playthroughs
radiant meadow
I asked for blinded anglers to do that too during testing
but apparently 500+ dmg memes were bad
sand umbra
...mfw I want to check if Eidolon Wyrms are passive until provoked or not for the purpose of a comparison
but wiki is being rude >:(
queen sail
They are
They deal no damage until you hit their head
They do act around you, though
Also y’all remember when the eidolon wyrms’ antennae left behind particles
sand umbra
please star my sugg so that Sunken Sea can become fully peaceful please
I require world peace within this one biome now that I am aware something can disrupt it
teal ibex
they would never attack you smh they're sweet boys
sand umbra
kinda hoping it'll also prompt a Cryo lore rework because I seriously think that needs a more unique function rather than being a dash that doesn't require an acc slot but meh
sand umbra
...what
what df does ML's lore item have to do with anything
that's the base acc, Grav Globe, being trash
swift wadi
Hm I'm going into #calamity-mod-talk for this real quick
queen sail
Why is grav globe so shittily designed
A fucking potion does the same thing and doesn’t have any requisites to flip grav
gusty geode
But that potion is generally expensive in vanilla and runs out eventually
Both of those reasons are killed by mods so of course it seems shit now
sand umbra
the thing of Gravitation Potions in vanilla is that gathering seeds for and farming Fireblossom and Deathweed in particular, respectively, is absolute ass
gusty geode
But now
Blood Orbs exist
So literally any difficulty found in getting potions is dead post-Skeletron 
sand umbra
(seriously, you try manipulating RNG for a Blood Moon so you don't have to wait for a Full Moon for fuckin' Deathweed to grow)
I'm gonna be real here
I don't like how easy Blood Orbs make getting potions
gusty geode
Calamity claims to be the mod that makes the game hard for even veteran players yet does everything in its power to make everything that's not a boss fight piss-easy to accommodate for player laziness
sand umbra
a lot of the potions in the game are balanced the way they are because their crafting recipes are retardedly annoying to farm up at times
...you can use the newly buffed Battle Potion and Water Candle during a Blood Moon and in one night obtain over 100 Orbs easily
consider also that people are likely to use various QoL mods to make getting to these various normally-infuriating events/places easier, and uh
byeah
I wanna also point out that recipes newly obtained through progression can be crafted with Blood Orbs too
it's not just the normal pre-boss potions, which locking an easier way behind post-Skeletron seems reasonable for
no, you can use an Alch Table to instantly use Blood Orbs to craft whatever snazzy new potion you're eyeing up as long as you have the progression-lock mat, which is usually pretty easy to farm after the required boss is yeeted
gusty geode
Solution
Make modded potions not craftable with blood orbs
sand umbra
(Holy Wrath and Profaned Rage, for example, only require Unholy Essence to be crafted with Blood Orbs --- not that the other mat is particularly annoying to gather up, but you wanna save those Singularities for other items! so you use Blood Orbs instead since those and Unholy Essence are much easier to gather up)
void kelp
what if you make it so that singularities are still required?
sand umbra
that defeats the purpose of adding Blood Orbs to the recipe in the first place
hallow kraken
Blood orbs are just “farm blood moon for 10 minutes for that snazzy new armor you wanted”
sand umbra
I seriously believe that Blood Orbs make obtaining potions entirely too easy
cobalt rose
i fucking don't
void kelp
maybe make it also require phantoplasm, since it might as well be used in more recipes?
hollow shell
I am trying to do my usual thing and thinking of some creative and unrealistic implementation of Blood Orbs to balance out their ease
but
I can't think of much
I think it's fair to only make them craft the vanilla base potions
sand umbra
and even then, there still needs to be some degree of separation for some of those vanilla potions
cobalt rose
what about in hellkite's recipe because that shit is boring
hollow shell
nvm I just thought of something
off to the drawing board
wait that's the planning phase
off to the
pencil and paper
sand umbra
(Gravitation, Lifeforce, and sorta Inferno all come to mind here)
cobalt rose
also please fix the wiki something is up with it
sand umbra
okay so I really like the idea of Alchemy Table upgrades and have humored it before
cobalt rose
sand umbra
considering it makes no sense that this one crafting station becomes your catch-all for the shit that can make or break any boss fight
when other important crafting stations generally receive an upgrade or three throughout progression, and unlock new things with each "tier"
cobalt rose
what about tinkerer's workshop
sand umbra
some ideas for upgrade benefits could be
- higher chance to not consume ingredients
- each upgrade unlocks new potion recipes
- can we honestly just get a more nuanced brewing system please
hollow shell
More advanced potion crafting in Terraria would be rad
but
not really our job here at Calamity
sand umbra
honestly
hollow shell
Gotta hope Re-Logic cooked something up for 1.4
sand umbra
would still greatly benefit the mod (and the game as a whole, really) either way
I've had preliminary thoughts on this before and the basic setup is there in my plans sorta, but there's still a lot that's up in the air
hollow shell
We could introduce an Alchemy Table upgrade which makes crafting potions more complicated for greater payout
sand umbra
ye ye
hollow shell
Probably would involve new UIs or something so
unlikely it'd get in
sand umbra
tbf I just want potion brewing to not just be
"look at table"
"drop things in bottle"
"voila, perfect mix"
but that's probably just me
cobalt rose
bruh imagine brewing potions like in minecraft
cobalt rose
i wasnt saying it wasnt
sand umbra
fair enough
hollow shell
Gotta do it like real chemistry
Gotta manage the temperature, gotta put shit in in the right order, gotta not fuck up or else it goes inert or does something dangerous
sand umbra
honestly
cobalt rose
take out the temperature part
sand umbra
more things for my to-do list, I suppose
wide flicker
You fill your whole NPC house with ammonia
hollow shell
cobalt rose
congrats, your entire town is dead and will be uninhabitable for the next 200 years
void kelp
good idea but you could probs phrase it better but it’s still understandable
solemn flame
All Christmas/Halloween minibosses drop some of the different fuels. Long story short
sand umbra
mfw this was already on my list and I'm honestly stunned it isn't a thing
solemn flame
Oh, did you already post it?
void kelp
no, Thomas means it’s on his list of things to add in entropy’s edge
hollow shell
(which is Thomas's fan-mod)
sand umbra
^
solemn flame
radiant meadow
we talked about making all enemies in the moon events drop endo energy/nightmare fuel before
I didn't like the idea because of the much greater amounts you can get them in compared to darksun fragments
so I felt it wasn't necessary
whereas you can only fight one mothron at a time, you can get up to 15 pumpkings or 10 ice queens at a time
sand umbra
yet those 15 Pumpkings or 10 Ice Queens will still 2-shot you all the same because damage calc memes
radiant meadow
well doggo drops have pretty high dps last I checked
it's not difficult to kill the minibosses
at least, it shouldn't be
void kelp
some mobs like the nailhead have obscenely high HP
solemn flame
It's tedious at times imo
sand umbra
Pumpkings and Ice Queens also have pretty high DPS especially in the fucking mobs you get on the later waves
solemn flame
You get killed by every enemy in 1 or 2 hits
sand umbra
so like
hollow shell
It's a good thing this suggestion got delivered
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/647010744554094602
And was surprisingly universally approved by devs
sand umbra
literally
just fix damage calculations
the whole reason it does in the first place is because Terraria's projectile damage calculation algorithm is about as consistent as a wet piece of paper that's been in your backpack for two weeks
sand umbra
smh
solemn flame
Gg to clownpiss for posting it tbh. I wouldnt have thought to post it
quick ice
seeing Thomas' suggestion reminded me of something that bugs me about the Sunken Sea
sand umbra
byeah, have fun with the following info:
the base damage of projectiles when calculating the amount a player takes is doubled, and if Expert is active it's doubled again
quick ice
why is the Blinded Angler just a Ghetto Prism-Back with extra damage
Edit: Oh and also better drops
solemn flame
sand umbra
so Expert+ projectiles effectively deal 4x the amount of damage they're programmed to do
solemn flame
Well that sucks.
radiant meadow
so add that tactical nuke to blinded angler?
sand umbra
it's already thrown me off a fuckton when trying to balance and it makes no sense
radiant meadow
what's even better is that there is a tactical nuke sprite
hollow shell
I made this friendly chart a while back for the wiki channel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280085110588702731/615669224571928596/unknown.png
radiant meadow
quick ice
Tactical Nuke?
radiant meadow
of course
sand umbra
YEP
quick ice
guess it didn't see that one coming
sand umbra
WELCOME TO DAMAGE ALGORITHMS WITH RED
quick ice
or anything really
sand umbra
hollow shell
(except 2 out of 4 of those entries are for our modes)
sand umbra
(with special guests: Rev+ damage multipliers)
radiant meadow
but like, what should a turtle do exactly that's different?
void kelp
the numbers are so fucked up wtf
ashen warren
stomp you like the tortoises
void kelp
also.
sand umbra
isn't redcode the greatest thing
quick ice
honestly they're the same enemy except that the Angler doesn't have the extra damage when above it
radiant meadow
sunken sea is supposed to be passive unless you provoke them
except sea serpent bitches
quick ice
I'd be fine if some stats were moved around and they were swapped in their place in the game
Blinded Angler Pre-Hardmode and Prism-Back hardmode
ashen warren
well the turtle can be passive
radiant meadow
and tortoise AI is actually ass underwater
void kelp
Add more mobs to the ocean to match with the sunken sea.
The sunken sea mobs are supposed to be survivors of one of the oceans burning, but why aren’t there any counterparts in the other ocean?
quick ice
to be fair, they're different oceans in different parts of the world
radiant meadow
tortoise AI has them constantly ramming you if they're in water
ashen warren
sounds fun sign me up
quick ice
moving Prism Back to hardmode would make since for a bunch of reasons
- It's a cooler looking, more unique Blinded Angler
- It already has more HP than the Blinded Angler come hardmode.
- It's a turtle, so it can drop turtle shells because we need more of those
void kelp
if it’s not a suggestion chain go right ahead :3
solemn flame
Just wanted to make sure :)
void kelp
more sources of turtle shells hellyes
solemn flame
Yes wording can be better
quick ice
we need mOAr
void kelp
*ruinous
swift wadi
I see your problem
solemn flame
Fixed it
swift wadi
Who tf makes armor first
solemn flame
I get weapons then armor.
void kelp
I mean when it comes to farming often you make dps first
swift wadi
Weapons like Phantasmal Fury can wipe him out quickly
Nono my dude
Make weapons first
Always
WAit i misread
solemn flame
ashen warren
posting this to the appropriate channel instead
what should i add when i repost this next week?
swift wadi
How tf you having problems then
ashen warren
i feel like it might lack some substance
hollow shell
You are allowed to repost after a week has passed, if your suggestion hasn't been delivered
He's good
swift wadi
Huh alright but does that do any good
hollow shell
Ye cuz it gives you a second chance at getting your suggestion in
Assuming you don't just
post the exact same thing and hope that you just posted at a bad time before
hollow shell
Yes good boy
ashen warren
swift wadi
Damn 😔
cobalt rose
does that diagram from before explain why i took 351 damage from a santa nk-1 spike ball
swift wadi
Buffed moons
hollow shell
I think a problem with your suggestion is
I'm kinda confused on what the second bolded sentence means...
solemn flame
swift wadi
getting one shot by those helicopter fucks
cobalt rose
the moon wasnt buffed
sand umbra
does that diagram from before explain why i took 351 damage from a santa nk-1 spike ball
indeed it does
welcome to Terraria's damage algorithm
cobalt rose
i am going to remember that amount of damage for the rest of my days
sand umbra
in which projectiles deal double damage in Normal and quadruple damage at least in Expert+
this kinda shit being commonplace with Terraria's code is exactly where my understanding that the simple solution to a problem is not always the best one comes from
ashen warren
ok @hollow shell im back
basically the problem is that seraph tracers conflict with wings
making angel treads the last upgrade that can be used with wings
and by using wings you have an advantage above using tracers
because separate wings are better
but if you have already upgrade your shoes you can't do thag anymore
so in order to not have to grind for a second angel treads i think that wings should be able to equipped with tracers but disable the stat differences from upgrading angel treads
ie more speed
hollow shell
Alright, I think I get it now
That second bolded sentence could be worded like "But make Seraph Tracer's boot functionality identical to Angel Treads while doing so"
iunno if that's better but it's better to me :P
hollow shell
@ashen warren You need a better reason than "it'd be cool"
swift wadi
^
swift wadi
Maybe he joined JUST for that suggestion
ashen warren
amazing
fleet night
why would one spawn a blood moon enemy during a party?
ruby cobalt
because it would be cool
queen sail
ruby cobalt
it's not even an event lmao
ruby cobalt
that would be pretty cool
swift wadi
Might be too specific to be allowed but idk
hollow shell
Sunken Sea has plenty of unique fishables
Most are potion ingredients but there is Sparkling Empress, and also the mod's only hook, Serpent's Bite
queen sail
Inf pierce laser
Consumes mana like melting butter
Enemies explode into shards that do no damage
teal ibex
sparkling empress is its special fish weapon and it's inSANELY good actually
i'm alwayd down for more fishing content but you might want a different reason 
void kelp
More fishing weapons to fill in those niches
hollow saffron
just wondering, do blood moons have any buffs to enemies besides adding new ones
night cradle
After Post-Moon Lord Blood Moon enemies gain a siginifcant buff
shell lynx
Is there a weapon that you can shoot projectiles and activate them at will?
night cradle
from the wiki: 100+ more damage and 3.5x health
queen sail
Can I suggest Sparkling Empress to be post DS
Because now he’s literally just a miniboss with that
think
teal ibex
is it not already?
hollow shell
The Sunken Sea as a whole is post-DS because of the block invulnerability thing
but
you could still pretty easily get a pool of water that isn't encased and just fish in that
teal ibex
ah that's fair yeah
also desert scourge is definitely a miniboss but i didn't mean that by my question 
terse sundial
Specific item suggestions are a no-go right now
hollow shell
(You didn't need to delete it considering you didn't even post it in the full channel)
terse sundial
dunno why they deleted it
hollow shell
We used to, before we banned such suggestions.
It is, yes
Technically
It requires a good bit of cheesing to get though
Yeah it was designed around it
runic heath
Siren’s heart does get some stat buffs post skele
hollow shell
Someone else said that but they deleted their message for whatever reason
Which is what he was responding to
gusty geode
Does suggesting rematches with existing bosses count as a boss suggestion
hollow shell
That's a very dark grey
As long as the changes aren't very significant and the primary focus of the suggestion isn't new boss attacks or whatever
like there's a greater reason why the boss should be rematched
then it'll be okay
Fighting a buffed Crabulon after Plantera to get Shroomite Bars was an alright suggestion in that regard
cuz they didn't specify anything else about how it would be buffed
because the thing they were focused on was that it would act as an alternate source of Shroomite
gusty geode
I was thinking something along those lines
I noticed how only modded bosses seemed to be getting rematches
So I was thinking some vanilla bosses could be used as a means of getting thematically fitting materials
Like, say
Ectoplasm from Skeletron
hollow shell
You wanna say that again
gusty geode
W
Why
sand umbra
Ectoplasm is a drop from Sky Crates
wut
hollow shell
It's Dungeon Crates.
distant gyro
dungeon-
gusty geode
K that makes more sense
distant gyro
sometimes I don't even know what I'm saying yes
gusty geode
Don't most mods add a reliable way to refight Skeletron
Ik Fargo's added a summon that didn't rely on the clothier
wild yoke
maybe squid in layers 3 and 4?
hollow shell
He does say moving the squid
when all the others are in both layers
so, true
@quick ice ^?
mossy shale
They're may be another neutral mob that has the same problem but moray eels were the biggest annoyance for me
This also might be a bug, but I made it a suggestion because I have no idea whether it is one or not
hollow shell
Enemy aggro and minion targeting are always sources of quirkiness
mossy shale
Just make it so its tied to the enemy aggroing instead of if you hit it with a weapon or not
Neutral enemies are stupid
worthy fiber
@swift bison vanity mod adds baby ones
quick ice
I changed it to letting the squid spawn in layer 4
queen sail
Can I suggest that all the animated bosses on the wiki be posted as gifs?
Like this ^
hollow idol
I tried to suggest it before but apparently it causes lag or something
queen sail
:pensive_rick:
terse sundial
It's not going to happen as it dramatically increases load times
we want the wiki to be a source that is quick and easy to use, having enemy gifs both makes pages more distracting, and increases how long people need to wait to get the info they desire
wooden wedge
doesnt discord sometimes shit the bed with gifs too?
terse sundial
we could probably find a place for the animated gifs of bosses at somepoint in the future, but for now it's a no
Not discord, the wiki
radiant meadow
I think both do
karmic stone
@tawny wind
Scal is in the place she is because of a poll, making her the hardest boss while not being the last one is
tawny wind
terse sundial
distant gyro
boss suggestion iirc
terse sundial
change it or I'll delete
distant gyro
also Yharim is planned to be above her but the dev stuff will also be moved with it
terse sundial
you got 3 mins
sand umbra
if there's a new post-SCal boss dev shit gets moved after it
which brings you right back to the point you started at
dev shit is intentionally stupidly strong, it's Calamity's endgame set
hollow idol
?
topaz bramble
These suggestions are super explicitly banned and kinda rude in all honesty
If you have enough time to beg for original content learn to make it yourself
That’s my view on it
Like my problem with this is that it comes off as very selfish and inconsiderate to the devs time, especially when the reasons given for adding them kind of... suck, to put it bluntly
It shows that you’re not even considerate enough to read the suggestion rules
opal barn
but it would be cool though 😳
gusty geode
Unique spawns for parties would be neat tho ngl
There could be like
A year-round equivalent to Presents/Goodie Bags that only drops during parties
Not only dropping unique cosmetic items, but maybe actually useful stuff like crate drops
ashen warren
why: i think it'd be pretty cool
topaz bramble
Its neat
ashen warren
that's just my opinion though
gusty geode
You didn't read the rest of the post
topaz bramble
There’s only so much i can take of this before i go completely insane
How do the devs deal with this
I did read the rest of it
Its literally just
“Itd be cool”
gusty geode
You wouldn't want a random event where it becomes easier to get
Basically everything?
That's what I was saying parties could be made into with a little effort
A special loot bag item that only drops during parties
Think crates but dropped by enemies
Could even have the exact same loot table if the devs wanna do something easy
topaz bramble
Why though?
Theres no reason for that to be there
And there are much more important things to change
gusty geode
That's one of the things I hate about this community
When it comes to new content the average mindset is "if it doesn't need to be there it shouldn't be there"
topaz bramble
Bruh
opal barn
If you go with your mindset you end up with bloat
topaz bramble
I really get the vibe that you haven’t ever even touched development of anything before
Like at all
gusty geode
I understand stuff requires work
A single item can take a ton of code, spriting, and balancing to be added
But this is just a simple loot bag item
Hardest part should be the sprite
Right?
tawdry magnet
lol
gusty geode
Something like this would be beneficial imo
It'd make parties actually useful
Since at this point it doesn't seem like anyone even remembers they exist
Plus, depending on what the associated item might drop, it could help with the endless problem of stuff being hard to find
sand umbra
okay so I want to agree with the lot of you on the idea that there's no reason for xyz thing to be there
but also I seriously want you all to consider the precedent set by the various swords and other items already in Calamity that really only exist because the idea is cool
sand umbra
and I won't argue otherwise
topaz bramble
If i ran this mod i would put melee on hold completely until summoner was an actual class and everyone has many accessory options as rogue
sand umbra
but I will say that it is probably a good chunk of where the issue comes from
summoner needs more love, seriously
gusty geode
Absolutely
topaz bramble
But the moral of the story here is to the people who posted those, please read the pins and don’t post stuff like that again, it’s inconsiderate and just kind of ech
If you want to improve the mod take the time to research what’s allowed and what’s not
this goes doubly for the people who keep posting these suggestions, don’t.
gusty geode
Honestly I bet that could've been reworded to be legal
"Reason: to give content to an event that is overlooked by literally everyone"
I think it would've been legal if that were the reason
hollow shell
@ashen warren This conversation is about your suggestion
teal ibex
although i generally agree with the points made this is a really weird suggestion to get dramatic about. it's just a suggestion about adding party based enemies. the event itself is pointless so there's certainly space for something to be had there -- but either way, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. people are going to ignore what they're supposed to read, that's an inevitably
hollow shell
You need to have more reason beyond "It'd be cool"
I pinged about this already 
topaz bramble
The reason i got dramatic about this one specifically is because this just ended up being the breaking point for me
This has been happening a CRAZY amount lately and it makes me want to strangle someone
ocean shale
”911 what’s your emergency?”
ancient widget
This is stupid
If you ran the mod, which you don't, you'd have to deal with all the shit I deal with
Don't act like you'd do any better, because I doubt it
shell lynx
I'm making a game in a computer science class and I'm still working on a menu
euggh coding can be annoying sometimes
anyways off topic so I'll shut now
ancient widget
Also vroomy, why are you getting so upset over this dumb stuff?
This is a discussion about suggestions, which, around 90% of them will never get in anyway.
Plus, nobody likes working on summoner weapons because, if you want to make them creative, they are a pain to program.
I personally feel the summoner class was a mistake, and shouldn't exist.
Because to flesh it out to the point of melee, ranged or mage, it would take years.
Perhaps not years if you focused entirely on summoner, but we have far more to worry about than just that stupid class.
If something like this happens again I'm going to be handing out warnings, I hope I've made myself clear.
I'm sick of only seeing the same 3 or 4 people talking in here, because everyone else is afraid to talk while those people are around.
void kelp
I think that brings up a decent point— are people who drop in suggestions and not respond to being tagged deliberately avoiding a response?
ancient widget
I've heard from quite a few people that they just avoid this place because of those few individuals, yeah
gusty geode
Now that you mention it I have seen the same crowd here a lot
Me, Rover, Thomas, Terry, few others
lost agate
Rover talks here because he basically administrates suggs
swift wadi
Rover is tied to this place by duty
But yeah it's not random chance that this place is often dead
topaz bramble
The running the mod part was a very basic example
gusty geode
I still believe that the team signed themselves up for unexpected/unnecessary work when they opened the mod for suggestions in the first place
topaz bramble
I never claimed that i’d do a better job then you, and i also never intended it to come off that way
lost agate
We never signed off for anything
swift wadi
You guys are not helping your case
past cape
Leaving out suggestions means missing out the very rare good suggestion that reaches us, and the complaints that we don't listen to the community
It's a lose-lose situation
topaz bramble
So sorry i guess?
past cape
Trivia: There's a lose-lose game that works like an arcade shooter, but the enemies are your own system files
swift wadi
No Sucks you're making a terraria mod you have to do what the community wants, you're bound by duty
lost agate
Smh
past cape
swift wadi
Also yeah it's on mac and every alien you kill destroys a file
quick ice
Suggestions is my place to vent irrelevant issues with the mod
topaz bramble
I still think it’s a bit unfair to pin me as a major reason people don’t talk here, but i do think i went a bit overboard
gusty geode
It feels to me that it's not the good suggestioms that get in
It's the easy ones
I've seen good suggestions
Plenty of them
That haven't made it in
swift wadi
Wtf is that segmenting
past cape
some like changing the abyss gen are way more tedious than what it seems to a person being shown pictures of the bottom of the abyss
swift wadi
Yeah
quick ice
Usually they choose the easy ones that are important
lost agate
And thats where im just having issues with this place
swift wadi
A lot of suggestions seem fine on paper but would actually be a demon to tackle as a dev
lost agate
Its not being convincing anymore, i just feel like im being forced
past cape
I learned from Thorium that torches that make things darker is impossible with current terraria code
That would be cool for some horror maps imo
lost agate
So if you dont mind, imma just, leave this place until i feel comfortable again
Cuz rn im feeling at gunpoint
radiant meadow
@meager lichen skeleton merchant sells it
either that, or it's for next update
I honestly can't remember if it's public or not
lost agate
I think it isnt yet?
radiant meadow
probably not
swift wadi
I think the past conversation sums it up?
gusty geode
I understand things require work
I'm sorry if you feel threatened rn that might sound sarcastic but I swear it's not
My main concern is
If the only suggestions that get in are the super easy ones
and the ones that were planned anyway
Then what's the point?
supple lodge
@meager lichen I had already suggested that btw
lost agate
One word and i can be pointed at with passive agressive comments, sarcasm, hours long discussions over simple things, repetitivity at its max
I can keep going but i wont
topaz bramble
Fair
lost agate
Like yes, i know we need summons, you dont need to remind me every day
swift wadi
I used to be on a server with a mod team that did that stuff, say one word, one change, one opinion, and you've entered a 2 hour debate of hell where someone gets muted
It was needless to say, draining
topaz bramble
That part was a one off comment and what i would do personally
But sorry for the implications
:p
meager lichen
@supple lodge I see
severe vapor
Would an Arctic scourge boss be cool?
void kelp
Read the pins pls
gusty geode
Is this where I should
signal prairie
I'd personally like to see a craftable marrow ngl
void kelp
Also, gonna dip in with my 2¢: good suggestions are not necessarily only well-written and popular, but are things that might’ve been overlooked by the devs, easy to implement, and most importantly, necessary
I’ve seen tons of well-written suggestions that were specific item or boss redesigns, but the quality of the suggestor’s writing does nothing to the fact that the suggestion has no meaningful purpose
meager lichen
Question: Should i take down the suggestion because @supple lodge did it already? Or should i leave it and credit him?
void kelp
likewise with subclass or enemy suggestions, I’ve observed— neat ideas, but I doubt that it is necessary
severe vapor
I don't see anything about bosses in do's and don't's doc
sand umbra
~~...I am mildly tempted to repasta my Clonamitas Seeker phase suggestion
but also not because it'd probably have been done by now if it were in the devs' plans~~
and I'm pretty sure it got delivered anyway so meh
severe vapor
¯_(ツ)_/¯
gusty geode
That's because it's in the rules
void kelp
it says “don’t suggest bosses”
past cape
keep in mind we still have very big stuff planned to do like finishing rogue expansion so if your suggestion is something like a Yharon rework, you're suggesting we either put current planned stuff aside for it or assume that it's something programmers can work on in the meantime
gusty geode
Pins in #suggestions-voting
void kelp
oh hold on @hollow shell the suggestion donts doc should probs include adding bosses to the “request large amounts of content” dont part of the doc since redundancy can help deal with people who don’t read every pin everywhere
severe vapor
Craftable marrow is good idea
past cape
Also unlike what some people in other communities believe, stuff added is going to be tested extensively for the most part
lost agate
Yup
void kelp
ngl I’m glad calamity hasn’t taken the add every single material possible route
gusty geode
I would say something in regards to craftable marrow I've probably said a few times before already
But we're already fresh out of(?) a debate as is so don't wanna start another
severe vapor
I would love to learn how to make it myself but YouTube lacks good tutorials for tmod
Arctic scourge
sand umbra
TML wiki is a pretty good resource for starting out
topaz bramble
Yeh
queen sail
Oh hey it’s vroomy
topaz bramble
Yeh
sand umbra
and I'm happy to give some guidance with what I understand outside of TML wiki's explanations if need be
void kelp
oh don’t worry, the base game also does that
queen sail
void kelp
but for real, good luck with making a boss! there’s a lot that goes into it
past cape
redcode
queen sail
If else
severe vapor
Well now that I've updated tmod it should be possible to mod
Because it wouldn't accept it before for some reason
gusty geode
I would hold off til 1.4 launches
If the rumors are true, redcode is gonna be fixed next update
severe vapor
What's redcode?
past cape
The real final boss of Terraria for modders
queen sail
Red = Redigit (creator of the game)
Code = code
gusty geode
Terraria's base code is supposedly sloppy and hard to work with
Because the main developer hadn't planned on the game getting this big
sand umbra
oh don’t worry, the base game also does that
you don't know the half of it
severe vapor
I've heard stuff about that
sand umbra
examples: Magical Harp is internally ranged and magic, and both types of Javelins are internally melee and thrown
severe vapor
What
sand umbra
welcome to Terraria
sand umbra
you heard me
the weapon itself is magic...I think, but its projectiles are internally magic and ranged
severe vapor
Projectiles are weird
gusty geode
I've heard EoW described as a "high-school science project" of a boss
sand umbra
also! Star Cannon borrows the Fallen Star projectile, which causes it to not be properly affected by ranged bonuses and makes it unable to crit
EoW is not a boss internally...until you kill it
severe vapor
Wdtm?
past cape
code-wise he's shittyfoodporn material
severe vapor
Mine is probably worse
gusty geode
I mean
I guess it makes sense kinda
But how do you even do that
sand umbra
Star Cloak and both of its upgrades inherit Holy Arrow stars and thus they are affected by ranged bonuses including Frost armor
sand umbra
this is all PC stuff
amber elk
Is that stuff fixed in tmodloader?
amber elk
Jesus
sand umbra
also, actually, scratch what I said before
Javelins are not melee and thrown, they are purely melee
past cape
"Main.ignoreErrors"
sand umbra
yep
that one variable there is why this game is able to run
it's literally programmed to ignore errors in order to stay running, so all the fantasticalities of this game are legal because yes
lost agate
Lil offtopic at this point dontcha think
meager lichen
Im gonna take down the suggestion now becuase it has already been discussed and might be in next update for skele merch to sell
civic pond
I'm wondering if should re-resuggest goldplume spear buff
topaz bramble
@lost agate sorry for what happened earlier by the way. In hindsight i think that yeah that was a pretty shitty and honestly kind of pretentious way to go about voicing my complaints, and I apologize if i really have been the one scaring people off. I want to just put this behind me and I feel like in order to do that i should properly apologize.
Oh LOL hi shucks
lost agate
Change goldplume a bit
topaz bramble
terse sundial
I could do some tests with it to see about getting it buffed