suggestions-discussion

[scenic aspen]

Before he did.summon any Sharkron

[radiant meadow]

exactly

the sharkrons make fishron a lot worse

[copper flame]

KumaSan which difficulty were you playing?

[hollow idol]

@somber hamlet no specific item suggestions (well function in this case)

[somber hamlet]

oh ok lol

[queen delta]

I thought that was a suggested change to lunar portal staff

Which would be quite cool ngl

[sand umbra]

what's Lunar Portal Staff again

I only know 🪓

[tired haven]

Moon lord death laser sentry-ised and only able to deal approx. 0 dmg

[sand umbra]

so deserving of a rework then, gacha

time to add it to my list

[tired haven]

How about adding that one to the list https://terraria.gamepedia.com/Weapons

[somber hamlet]

got it crabbar ty

[tired haven]

Btw the actual suggestion is specific item so I'd have to ask you to remove it
Lacks reasoning as well

[hollow shell]

(is this supposed to be a specific item suggestion?)
(I can't even tell)

[sand umbra]

(I don't think any of us can)

[tired haven]

It is a new item, it got a specific function with mild description, and is implied to be an upgrade of a certain item

More than not it's specific suggestion imho

[hollow shell]

m

I will delet.

[scenic aspen]

Like someone said

New endgame sentry

[zenith hazel]

you know you can just fight the boss on expert and open the bag on rev and still get the rev items right?

[quiet abyss]

@open stag ^

[gusty grail]

Kinda bad idea imo

[open stag]

well yeah but its getting all the reward without the risk

[gusty grail]

Exactly my point

[scenic aspen]

Yeah

Like

The Chibi Devourer

[open stag]

i want all the content with somewhat of a risk (expert)

[quiet abyss]

So, you essentially want a difficulty between expert and revengeance?

[gusty grail]

Just open loot bags in rev

Then go back to expert

[open stag]

i realize that thats a major game change

[quiet abyss]

Again, an entirely new mode ain't needed for that.

[gusty grail]

Try fargo masochist mode

[zenith hazel]

that's an entirely different beast

[open stag]

whats that

[gusty grail]

(Pls dont its hell)

[zenith hazel]

different mod, not relevant to the discussion

[hollow shell]

Eh

If you wanna experience Rev content like items and boss AI changes and whatever
but you aren't good enough for it, you've only got that Expert skill

I say just git gud ngl

Practice, keep tryin

[swift wadi]

I like rev items being rev items, sure it's hard but that's the point of it getting unique items, death adds very little in terms of rewards and it makes people like me less interested to try it, if you wanna play with the items without playing rev you can do as others have said and activate it after, or just cheat them in for all I care, but a whole new difficulty is way to much work to change something I think the devs are mostly happy with

Either take the full challenge of Rev for the items or don't take any, a middle ground isn't needed imo

[worthy fiber]

Brimstone crag already has a guaranteed Magma Stone inside

[zenith hazel]

and fire gauntlet is post-golem

[cloud surge]

Oh it does? To the crag then

[swift wadi]

At the same time I don't think giving the profaned enemies hell item drops is a bad idea

But making another world or doing it earlier is a lot easier

[potent veldt]

Terraria has never been about handholding

So, Calamity shouldn't either

If you played Terraria on normal because expert was too difficult for you, you still weren't about to get the expert items

You need to earn that.

[cloud surge]

Yeah, I just find it annoying that the enemies that drop the item spawn less now because I killed moon lord

[potent veldt]

I wasn't talking to you

I was referring to the "Rev Minus" one

[cloud surge]

Ah

[tired haven]

It's not particularly hard to progress with expert and enabling/disabling rev to backtrack and fight bosses for their content

ngl

[potent veldt]

^^^

[tired haven]

Especially since expert to rev is nowhere near the leap that normal to expert is

[potent veldt]

Because of that, there's technically some slight more handholding in Calamity than even raw terraria

So, to go further would be odd

[swift wadi]

I think his problem is he thinks it feels like cheating or being cheap to do that

[potent veldt]

Then just do it

[swift wadi]

But if you don't play on rev, you aren't gonna get much better

in terms of "cheating" the items

[potent veldt]

It's a really convoluted point when you're both saying "it's too hard" and "I want to not cheat"

[cloud surge]

The reason he made that sugg is because he is having a lot of trouble with rev destroyer

But he most likely has severely underpowered gear because he wasn't getting him below 90%

[potent veldt]

Also, I kinda agree with your suggestion, but might I ask a particular change to it?

Instead of making magma stone craftable, have it be able to spawn in shadow chests.

[cloud surge]

Sounds good

[hearty yew]

@open stag "git gud" isn't a valid answer, but "enable rev before opening bags" is.

if you want rev content accessible in normal mode, install boss expertise and enable the option "treasure bags drop on normal"

i can't tell whether you're talking about rev exclusive items (e.g. Brimrose) or rev exclusive mechanics (e.g. DR and rippers)

[ashen warren]

can you convert melee variants to rogue variants?

[hollow shell]

No, you cannot convert.
It's been suggested before but the bluecheck date just got removed, so feel free to suggest it again

Unrelated:
Because @cloud surge's suggestion is already in the game, in the Crag
should it be deleted?

[swift wadi]

I like the suggestion for seraph tracers, maybe the ability to toggle visibility to make them act as normal boots/angel treads? Or maybe become a straight boot upgrade with the ability to equip wings? Just a thought

@hollow shell The suggestion also includes the idea of crafting the magma stone, so it's kinda half and half, i'd say it could go either way of deleting or not, maybe ask him to change/repost it to only be about crafting it?

@thin shale

[hollow shell]

Well the reason why he wants it to be craftable is so you can have a non-RNG-dependent way of getting Fire Gauntlet, and therefore Elemental Gauntlet

It was one of two options to solve the same problem

[swift wadi]

I believe they are aware of the lack of SCAL teir rouge weapons and more will be added with time

Rogue is still a WIP I think

That's true, good point, i'd say it's your call

[hollow shell]

Yeah rogue shit's still comin, and blue's aware of that
He's just... makin sure that's a thing that happens, I guess

[swift wadi]

Ah I see, I do agree with the suggestion, but I don't believe there's a reason for me to star it or anything, you guys are working on it :p

[hollow shell]

m

[tired haven]

Tbh ideally it should become an in-game config but no idea when development would get to that feature

[teal ibex]

yharon lore exists though

i mean, i don't know why i'm saying this since the poster generally never responds but

[frail mantle]

Yharim Lore is especially gamer for AEW because you have near infinite flight+base damage doesn't matter because 99% dr moments

[teal ibex]

not to mention the fact that adding infinite wings makes yharon's lore useful for exclusively scal and nothing else

post-game is when i'd want to be using the lore most of all

[tawny wind]

The converting idea is too op in my opinion when you can have a solar armor and a rouge weapon you can like upgrade the rouge weapons a lot

[teal ibex]

he's talking about converting weapons you would craft, not any weapons

[tawny wind]

But when youre able to convert rouge weapons to meele you can be a little bit OP

[novel pebble]

How

Converting means converting the same weapon

[teal ibex]

why? if you're a rogue class you have rogue gear. if you're a melee class you have melee gear.

it's the same weapon, you would just switch it to your class since you would've meant to have that weapon on the first place

[tawny wind]

Yes but if you got a meele loadout and convert it to meele you can upgrade it if you have a meele equipment or did i not understand the suggestion

[teal ibex]

the suggestion exists because you might accidentally craft a rogue weapon.

if you do that, you have to remake the entire weapon.

this is for crafted items. you have to make the item. you can't just pick up swordsplosion and make it rogue.

it's just qol so people don't craft the wrong version of rogue/melee hybrid weapons

[tawny wind]

Ok i still do not understand it but i dont want to make a discusion in a size of an book

[teal ibex]

[tawny wind]

[distant gyro]

it's for the meme elemental disk situation and such

[tawny wind]

What is for what?

I'm too dumb for this channel i should leave

[distant gyro]

pensive

[tawny wind]

Ok i have to leave and then take english lessons

I need to learn what pensive is

[frail mantle]

Yharon always teleports behind you iirc

the only random part is whether he teleports above or below

[signal prairie]

Then why does every other boss have some sort of indication as to where they are teleporting next and not him

[thin shale]

The thing with Yharon cheap hits can be avoided by staying in the same position but other than that, I must say your point makes sense @signal prairie

Giving it a star for this one

[signal prairie]

Well, most cheaps hits can't be avoided cause on the moment you must stay still to avoid them, your character always drifts when you let go of the button, causing you to get hit.

[thin shale]

I see

That rarely happened to me

I got hit when he dashes, not when he was stationary.

[signal prairie]

When does Yharon ever stay still when he teleports

[thin shale]

Only for a small period of time

Probably less than a second before he charges towards you again

[signal prairie]

That period of time is spent looking at him and trying to adjust your flight pattern

[thin shale]

I’d say around 0.6 sec

[ashen warren]

The wiki says Yharon always teleports behind you and it might just be me but when I was fighting him he rarely ever went behind me and kept appearing Infront of me.

[thin shale]

Just think that Yharon would be appearing some distance away from you.

[novel pebble]

Yharim is planned as a boss

[somber hamlet]

ye ik

but we never see the tyrant king the entire playthrough of the mod

[bitter topaz]

@somber hamlet

1. Boss suggestions aren't allowed.
2. Yharim is already planned.

[somber hamlet]

ok

[radiant meadow]

@ashen warren Fab has stated before that he doesn't want the rogue/melee conversions

[hollow idol]

for the weapons that already have variants?

[ashen warren]

oh

why though?

if you accidentaly make rogue galaxy smasher, you'll have to cheat in a melee one

[hollow idol]

well you technically dont have to cheat one in, but its inconvenient

[ashen warren]

yeah you could grind another one but you won't

that's why i always leave cheat sheet on

[radiant meadow]

if you accidentally make a rogue galaxy smasher, that means you also "accidentally" made a rogue true paladin's hammer

[ashen warren]

if you are like me, you would accidentaly make rogue true paladins hammer and then galaxy smasher and then hammer of might and then realise that it was rogue

sometimes the player farms things later than when they were supposed to be farmed

[radiant meadow]

well, if you accidentally make 4 rogue hammers in a melee run and not notice, I can't really help you then

[ashen warren]

i actually did that with galaxy smasher instead of hammer of might

[loud steeple]

If also done it on accident before

[hollow shell]

@tawny wind This has already been mentioned before but Yharon's lore item already is virtually endless. Talking over 10 minutes of flight without touching the ground
I don't know why anybody would need to be flying for over 10 minutes straight

[teal ibex]

yharon teleports relative to the player at a consistent distance on a pattern. you can literally always avoid the cheap hits if you're cautious enough. sometimes it's annoying that he can teleport below you when your flight time ends/you drop to your platform but the reason he doesn't have indicators is because he's the final boss and isn't totally random

imo if you don't have to react to his teleports they're just free to dodge and would make the fight dramatically less interesting

if anything make it so yharon can't teleport below the player like duke, but even still i don't think it's a problem warranting a massive telegraph throughout the majority of the fight

[hollow shell]

The telegraph doesn't need to be as drawn out as some of our existing ones
(like I think Brim's last for almost 2 seconds)

It could just be like a half-second or quarter-second more time to absorb that information

[teal ibex]

idk, i feel like that'd just encourage the player to run from the particles when they appear instead of slowing and preparing to dodge

yharon's teledashes are unique in that they demand the player to minimize movement to maximize their ability to dodge the upcoming dash, and although it's not easy it's not unfair either despite the language of the suggestion

[radiant meadow]

minimize movement while being bombarded by 30 fireballs

[teal ibex]

i think this is just a case where people would get a lot more mileage out of being creative rather than telegraphing in particles to make the fight easier

well ye if you put yourself in a bad spot you'll suffer either way LOL

[radiant meadow]

phase 2 is scary

[teal ibex]

plus normality exists and is relatively easy to use without creating momentum, just hotkey + space and you're out of dodge without any unwanted momentum

[radiant meadow]

I keep forgetting normality is a thing ngl

[teal ibex]

nohitter's curse tbh

[cyan lagoon]

@meager lichen i think it would make more sense if they were seperate posts

[hollow shell]

^

ye

[hearty yew]

yeah please split those posts

[hollow shell]

another case of the "pinged one minute after posting and ignores it for over an hour"

@somber hamlet You can use another to change back

[somber hamlet]

Thats the main prob i cant find one

[hollow shell]

Can't find one?

[somber hamlet]

yea any tips on where to find em?

[hollow shell]

You craft them

[queen delta]

You can craft them

[somber hamlet]

what u need?

acually

[hollow shell]

All the herbs

[somber hamlet]

ill consult the wiki

[hollow shell]

Yes do.

Craftable using Blood Orbs as well, which you should have plenty of if you're Post-ML

[tired haven]

The real question is, where would you get one in first place if you didn't craft it

Vanilla doesn't drop it and neither does calamity (or any popular mod kinda)

[queen sail]

I think the only mod that does is alchnpc

[tired haven]

Well, that one lets you purchase the potion, so why not just buy another one

[versed mica]

why did you use the gender change potion not expecting to change gender

[swift wadi]

cant you just use it again

[versed mica]

its consumable but Im wondering why you would make one and not know how to make another

[slate crown]

you can just... use the potion again?

[queen delta]

Well this suggestion is redundant so I'll remove it

[versed mica]

yeah its really weird

you want to add a timer to something that really doesn't need one

[meager lichen]

My two suggestions are now seperate for all of you

[hollow shell]

Thank you Mr. ThotPatrol 👍

[meager lichen]

Np, sorry for the delay btw

[hollow shell]

It's okay. At least you did it eventually
(Which is more than can be said for quite a few suggestors...)

[meager lichen]

Ok

Btw, idk if i got the wording right for the Aqua Scourge suggestion. Is it INCREASE the despawn range or DECREASE the despawn range?

[cobalt rose]

increase

[hollow shell]

Yeah I think "increase" would be the word to use

[meager lichen]

Thank you much

[hollow idol]

@wild yoke maybe make those two different suggestions

[tired haven]

^

[radiant meadow]

the crag fish are supposed to be potion materials

but there's no potions to work with

[ashen warren]

Potions to be added then?

[teal ibex]

don't you get essense of chaos and sunlight from crates already?

and eleum if ice crates existed, thanks vanilla

[distant gyro]

Bloodletting - Crimson Crate
Fetid - Corrupt Crate
Eleum - N/A (No ice crates exist)
Chaos - Brimstone Crate
Sunlight - Sky Crate

all essences

Chaos and Sunlight are only obtainable from their respective crates in Hardmode

[teal ibex]

ye that's what i thought

[distant gyro]

See Also : Other crate loots here : [[Crate]]

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Crate

[teal ibex]

so the essence thing isn't quite relevant besides adding an ice crate

which i might suggest later anyway since it's like, the last big holdup for fishing playthroughs

[distant gyro]

ice and desert crate just don't exist because yes

[teal ibex]

actually wait that'd be a SPECIFIC. ITEM.

[distant gyro]

[teal ibex]

add a crate to a.... cold biome, somewhere, for cold stuff.

[distant gyro]

"add some kind of grab bags to ice biome"

preferrably crates

[teal ibex]

LOL

[quick ice]

I'd imagine that Ice crate is coming in 1.4, so Calamity doesn't need to add one

but yeah an "Elemental Fish" which could drop the 3 Essences would be nice

[void kelp]

Ice Crates exist @distant gyro

[quick ice]

no they don't?

[zealous ridge]

i am fairly sure theyre coming in 1.4, but they dont actually exist yet, right?

[quick ice]

yeah, there's nothing for them on the Wiki

Ice, Desert and Underworld are the 3 special main biomes that lack crates

[void kelp]

I’m p sure they have crates you can fish up

[quick ice]

Wiki says otherwise

only biome crates are spreading biomes, Sky, Jungle and Dungeon

[teal ibex]

@void kelp fargo's adds ice crates

so if you've been playing with it, that's why

[void kelp]

aaah

lmao I’ve been playing with Fargo’s for so long that I thought shadow crates and ice crates were vanilla since they fit in seamlessly

[zealous ridge]

[teal ibex]

i mean, it makes sense that ice should have a crate

it's one of the first biomes you ever experience in the game

same for desert

and YET

but it's cool terraria's overwhelmingly positive on steam we good

[quartz hare]

[sand umbra]

Ice even has a unique set of items to get from crates

[proven tide]

@hollow shell does having the same lore item in your inven multiple times stack (such as skele prime)?

i assume not

[teal ibex]

that would be very whacky implementation

[hollow shell]

I'm going to assume no but I will check

Yeah no, they set triggers to True
so having multiple has the same effect as having 1

[sand umbra]

can you imagine if it did

just packing like 30 Prime lores

no inv space but your attacks basically ignore defense

[distant gyro]

150 armor pen totally fine yea

[sand umbra]

byeag

[tired haven]

Why not stack smth like skeletron lore to become god in the dungeon?

[void kelp]

because then you can’t loot anything

[tired haven]

Well I'm here not to loot but to destroy eldritch gods

[runic heath]

Stack ML lore and then flip upside down

You lose an accessory slot but it is worth it

[sand umbra]

literally the only way current Grav Globe becomes good

[runic heath]

Have like 4500% minion knockback

Assuming it’s additive

Which would also give you really high DR,but dr scales so while each gives you 5% it won’t actually give you 100%

Gravity globe is good for challenge runs where you’re always upside down, besides that though it’s not great

You’d also have really high move speed since it does effect max move speed (ignoring red code), and really high damage (+10% and +10% crit chance per) so definitely would be super balanced this should be implemented. Besides you’d have to spend like 30 minutes just waiting for ML to spawn

[quartz hare]

🤏

[runic heath]

Someone asked if lore stacked before

[hollow idol]

cosmic imma is good tho

[ashen warren]

is that a mf post-sc sugma

[sand umbra]

pretty sure there's a dev summon wep planned question mark?

[dusty stirrup]

There is

[tired haven]

🔜™️

[sand umbra]

[queen sail]

@scenic aspen 1) post scal content is dev stuff; a dev needs to make a summon wep for that
2) a dev summon wep is in the works

[ashen warren]

still an illegal sugma

[queen sail]

Unfortunately

[terse sundial]

then kill it

[ashen warren]

[placid girder]

What if the plague arrows from pbg bow were craftable

[queen sail]

Smh not using Terra Arrows like every weeb

/s

before anyone asks yes I know terra arrows get nerfed over progression

[placid girder]

Are there any calamity arrows besides terra pre ml

And post plant

[sand umbra]

nnnnop

Terra Arrows are in fact the final arrow before Luminite, period

[queen sail]

Fuck it

Astral arrows

:echprime:

[tired haven]

[placid girder]

Make the Plague Arrows used by the Malevolence craftable
There aren't any arrows between Terra arrows and the post Moon Lord arrows and they could act as an equivalent to the Acid Rounds.
This would be good for more ammo variety and are prexisting

[distant gyro]

imagine phantasm but with bees though

also does this count as an SIS

[tired haven]

Kinda, I guess

and ye, the only thing worse than plaguenades for perfomance is phantasm shitting out bees

[placid girder]

idk if its a sis

its technically pre existing

[sand umbra]

it's...not an SIS...by technicality...?

that's actually a really grey area there

[placid girder]

i see where youre coming from though

[sand umbra]

it's asking for a specific thing

but said specific thing already exists as a unique entity; just not in item form

[distant gyro]

technically it's not because no given name or recipe

[sand umbra]

that too

[distant gyro]

only functionality and the idea behind it

[ashen warren]

its not an oc patreon weapon idea

but its still a bit. hrm

[distant gyro]

but just to make sure, remove the "Plague" from that sug to assure it's vague enough

[sand umbra]

yeah it's a grey area really

[placid girder]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Malevolence wiki called them plague arrows

[ashen warren]

personally i wouldnt smite it though

[sand umbra]

I'd also say it's fine

[placid girder]

idk should i get another mod opinion or something

[distant gyro]

oh

the projectile is called "arrow" apparently

but all the arrows appear by that name so I can't trust toolkit

[sand umbra]

tbf I'd class it under "rework of/additional functionality for existing entity", which is fair play

[placid girder]

time to post then

[hollow shell]

It's fine imo
considering it already exists, and Chiko just wants to be able to use it with other bows

[hearty yew]

@teal ibex I'd say like 1 Trophy + 10 Victory fragments, does that sound good?

@distant gyro almost no calamity projectiles have meaningful display names, they're all "Bolt" "Beam" "Blast" "Arrow" "Orb" etc.

[teal ibex]

oh that's a cute idea actually yeah

makes victory fragments a bit more relevant, i'm down

[hearty yew]

makes victory frags useful

cause it's like

[distant gyro]

Perfect.

[hearty yew]

"you WIN the boss"

[distant gyro]

[hearty yew]

"what happens when you WIN"

[teal ibex]

LOL

yes absolutely

[runic heath]

I like how AS drops victory shards

[hearty yew]

craftable magnum rounds ofuck

[teal ibex]

do you want me to include that in the suggestion or is there an implied checkered flag going on

[distant gyro]

[sand umbra]

would this also give Victory Shards a reason to drop from more than just Scourges + EoC

[teal ibex]

i'll just add it to the suggestion LOL

[hollow shell]

May as well.

Say it as a possibility and not like a definite thing you want

lest you be too specific

[teal ibex]

specific crafting recipe

there we go, beautifully unbolded

[hollow shell]

aight thats fine

[sand umbra]

...that is

not how alt fires work

I'm sorry to break this to you @topaz fractal but like

you can't just suddenly bind a right-click to something else and still have it work flawlessly as an alt fire without a fair bit of work, afaik

and it really would not fully fix the issue, only mitigate it --- there'd be another sugg asking to kill it or make it a toggle or smth within a week

[topaz fractal]

crap

[sand umbra]

that said, I kinda like this sugg because it'd at least make the problem less aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

but like even discounting the fact that people will be people

there's no telling how much work would be necessary to successfully bind Crystyl's alt fire to literally anything else

[distant gyro]

actually

[radiant meadow]

bind it to mouse 3

can you even do that?

[sand umbra]

but termiiiiiii, that's my RoD hotkeyyyyyyy

[distant gyro]

you can change the right click (interact) to any key you'd like

[sand umbra]

[topaz fractal]

I’m just worried I’ll misclick a chest or npc and OOP

[radiant meadow]

teleport and destroy

it's a combo move

[sand umbra]

I see

you can change the right click (interact) to any key you'd like

well then we're right back to square one

[hollow shell]

I don't know if this should be bluechecked or not because I can't use Discord search
I'm pretty sure the previously delivered "please make Crystyl less incredibly dangerous" suggestions did not suggest changing the keybind.

[distant gyro]

I change interact to NumPad9 for scal nohit because I don't want to mount the shadow rails by accident, for example

But changing interact changes everything

[sand umbra]

byeah

that presents literally the exact same issue except this time you can't figure out what the fuck you're doing when going to interact with something

[topaz fractal]

It’s just gonna stay in my inventory

no hotbar allowed

[sand umbra]

or use another wep's alt fire

[topaz fractal]

maybe get a different pick for smaller things

[distant gyro]

use blossom as main

actually nvm

[sand umbra]

Blossom does just about all the same shit with none of the danger

so

[distant gyro]

use crystyl while in inventory but not hotbar

[topaz fractal]

yeah

[distant gyro]

I'm pretty sure you can't accidentally hold the trigger when it's in there

[hollow shell]

Make good use of that Shift button

[radiant meadow]

alt fire has to be in the hotbar

for any weapon

[distant gyro]

yea that's what i thought

[hollow shell]

(also, " I'd "*
instead of " it'd ", in the sugg)

[hearty yew]

@teal ibex The implication is "if this gets checked I'll do it this way"

[teal ibex]

goootchya

[hearty yew]

I will not subvert the will of the people, I don't do that anymore. If not enough people vote it in, then it doesn't get in. Then I do it the next day anyway and don't cite the suggestion.

[teal ibex]

LOL

[hearty yew]

I'm being serious, people chided me for being disrespectful by saying "I'm doing it right now you don't need your suggestion"

I figured people liked instant dev response

[teal ibex]

tbf those are the people who are suggesting for attention rather than for improving the mod

[hearty yew]

But apparently no, so now I wait for a suggestion to either succeed or stagnate. I'll still tell people that I want to implement it but I won't do anything until the suggestions fate is decided

And regardless of whether the suggestion succeeds or stagnates I will put it on my to-do list if I don't do it immediately

[teal ibex]

understandable

[hearty yew]

Most of this discussion occurred on dev server originally and I don't remember the arguments made

@hollow shell do you know what they were

My stance is that development efficiency and delivering good content goes above all else but I'm willing to compromise so as to not make the moderators' lives hell

[teal ibex]

ahhh i see i see

that makes plenty of sense

[radiant meadow]

It's okay, I've been told not to do suggestions before they're sent too

[hollow shell]

The argument was that implementing suggestions regardless of their star count devalued the purpose of stars, and discouraged people from writing suggestions due to the meaninglessness of the whole system we have set up

[fervent zealot]

but.. suggesting it and it ending up not needing stars because it's super minor seems more like an incentive to suggest the kind of things that will actually get implimented

[gusty geode]

I remember someone mentioning that larger suggestions create unexpected work for the devs
Imo that's kinda what you sign up for by letting people suggest stuff
I imagine little changes could be put in #bugs-read-pins
Change it to "#bugs_and_tweaks" or something like that

[hollow shell]

ehh nah that'd blur the lines too much

[vocal grotto]

Yeah, eventually a suggestion becomes so big that if it were to hypothetically become part of the schedule, it'd throw everything else off

But I don't see very big ones reach the 90 mark often

[hollow shell]

(which is why we've disallowed most big suggestions, such as biomes, events, bosses, specific items, etc)

[vocal grotto]

Ye

[hollow shell]

There are some suggestions which are actually bugfixes
but I think it's better for those to be here than for non-bug suggestions to go into the bugs-focused channel

[vocal grotto]

If I encountered a relatively easy bug to delete in suggs, I'd probably just kill the bug on the spot. I very rarely enter the bugs channel tbh, so I don't really see the stuff in there.

[gusty geode]

This is just random thinking
But maybe tweaks could get a separate channel
There'd be two suggestion channels, one for small tweaks and another for bigger stuff
Since, next to specific items, tweaks are the most common kinda suggestion
And a separate channel for them could make room for the quality big suggestions
Like the multiple abyss generation reworks I've seen over the months

[vocal grotto]

The question is when we say that something is too big/small for the new channel

[hollow shell]

(You say that as if the Abyss reworks got buried, when they were the highest rated suggestions in recent history)

[gusty geode]

I guess they'd have to be evaluated case by case for the first little while
But I imagine stuff like visual changes, single-item rebalances, and new ways to obtain items would fall under small suggestions

[hollow shell]

There's been quite a few #suggestions-voting rework suggestions
most involving more channels than just these two

[gusty geode]

Sorting them by what exactly they aim to achieve could also work
Stuff like rebalance suggestions, qol suggestions, enemy suggestions
Specific items could even get their own channel if they were allowed again
I only suggested splitting them by size to save space in the server

[tired haven]

Sorting them is the hard part, because sometimes even devs/moderators don't exactly know where certain suggestions belong.
I really have my doubts people would be able to adequately direct them most of the time

[gusty geode]

I may have brought up the idea of giving only certain people access to the suggestions channel
You would apply for the ability to suggest stuff and only those who get accepted can see the suggestion channels
Would improve the system a lot by only allowing people who know what they're doing in and completely eliminating the problem of people joining, suggesting something, and leaving
At the cost of straining the mods a little more

There's that option

Could write up a set of potential new rules if you want

[hollow shell]

Could be a system of "autoconfirm" like wikis have
Where you need to have had an account for a few days and made a few edits before you're allowed to edit certain semi-protected pages
in our case, you'd need to have been in this server for a few days and/or made enough messages in other channels before you can post in #suggestions-voting

[gusty geode]

I like the sound of that

[hollow shell]

What about it?

[rose ermine]

I approve

[hollow shell]

ok

you could just star it

[rose ermine]

Brother phase is too boring anyway

It's too deep

[hearty yew]

If we split the suggestions into small and big I can guarantee you that the graveyard% of the big channel would be distressingly high

It itself would just be an idea graveyard

[hollow shell]

@open stag Add a reason

[ashen warren]

the memes of nothing ever getting added would be even worse

[open stag]

@hollow shell thats just me being honest right there.

[hollow shell]

What

[vocal grotto]

I was joking

[open stag]

oh

im gonna head out then

[hollow shell]

Is this some memery from another channel

[open stag]

d e l e t

[vocal grotto]

Yeah

[open stag]

treason

[vocal grotto]

If I say something like that it either means I'm joking or it'll go into my own mod

If I want something in Cal I'd discuss it with the devs

[sand umbra]

@open stag Paladin's Shield is already used for Frigid Bulwark

and tbf AValor doesn't need any more things that it only uses to justify effects

it has enough of those as-is

[hearty yew]

it's ankh shield with a shield slam. That alone makes it one of the most powerful single slots at its stage in progression

[sand umbra]

^

it does not need more power

...this reminds me of something I might as well fire off in this channel, even though it's in my plans for EE

see if people would be in favor of it happening in the main mod

[open stag]

oh.

[sand umbra]

here goes.

On today's episode of Subclass Man's probably-weird suggestions:
Grant the Ornate Shield a dash ability.
(Note: the exact specifics of the dash are up to the devs (though one idea I had was having successful shield bashes release crystal shards or something on hit). The suggestion here is simply to give the Ornate Shield a dash of literally any sort.)

❔
As an ingredient, to properly justify Asgard's Valor having one. There's no reason for it to have a dash besides it being a shield at the moment, as none of its components have one. The dash of the Ornate Shield can be (and probably should be) less powerful than that of Asgard's Valor to compensate.
As an accessory, to grant a new mobility option at the stage of the game the Ornate Shield is obtained at. No, Cryogen's lore item doesn't count here, it can be changed to something more unique if necessary, shut up.
From a lore perspective, would it not make sense for the great inventor Daedalus to implement this sort of abiltiy for a shield we can only assume would've been used by himself or by those who fought for the kingdom wherein he resided? A strategist and inventor as great as he surely had the ability to engineer a bulwark with the ability to slam through enemy forces.
Overall, to make the Ornate Shield more interesting on its own merit and not Just Another Material Accessory™️.

time for me to get yeeted for creating the 31590798th Ornate Shield sugg

[civic pond]

ornate makes me pensive

[sand umbra]

half the accessories in the game make me pensive tbqf

but alas, one at a time. quality over quantity, as they say

[cobalt rose]

also that suggestion about the community

[wide flicker]

Imagine asking devs to work on an item every single update, which would take time from doing other work.

[sand umbra]

if The Community reflected the actual community it would do absolutely nothing until SCal has been summoned at least once

[hollow shell]

@sly gale How the hell would we keep track of that

How do you quantify behavior

[sand umbra]

you yesn't at the behavior and it quantifies itself into yes' and no's
from there, you weigh the yes' and no's, and whichever one is fatter, congrats, Community buff/nerf inbound

[queen delta]

And that would only cause even more toxicity

[cobalt rose]

"guys we gotta act better or the commuity item is gonna get nerfed"

[wide flicker]

Also isn't the community an item made to thank the community for their support?

[queen sail]

...

What the fuck

[cobalt rose]

it is, pretty much.

[queen delta]

Yeah, just the fact that we're playing it is thanks enough for our own item

[cobalt rose]

like the tooltip literally has a "thank you" in it

[distant gyro]

it's creative but how the fuck would it work

[queen sail]

Not only that

Why do we need this

How does this improve an already good accessory

[sand umbra]

it doesn't

it'd inevitably nerf Community into the fucking ground

[queen sail]

[sand umbra]

I wish I could say that's me being pessimistic, but whether you like it or not, them's the facts

people will be people

people, thus, will be assholes, as that is what people are

[wide flicker]

Also this community is so large that there is a huge possibility of groups of people that don't represent the whole being counted as the whole or not being shown whatsoever

[queen sail]

Tbh the terraria modded community is very at tines

Not just us

[sand umbra]

Community gets nerfed
people proceed to complain about it sucking
as a result, it's more toxic, Community gets nerfed again
repeat steps 2 and 3 until Community literally does nothing until BR is complete

and does almost nothing thereafter

[queen sail]

Good communities don’t exist

Just good people

[gusty geode]

Coming in extremely late
But isn't charging meant to be like
An expert+ exclusive thing

[smoky wagon]

tabi?

[sly gale]

i know this was a bad idea

[queen delta]

@sly gale As others have stated above, your suggestion would only brew even more toxicity and drive the accessory into the ground. The accessory was only meant as a thanks to the community for being there, toxic or not. No mod can be successful without a community.

[sand umbra]

Coming in extremely late
But isn't charging meant to be like
An expert+ exclusive thing

[queen delta]

oh he replied just as i pinged

[sand umbra]

if that's the case then why the mother fuck does Asgard's Valor have that ability in the first place

[queen sail]

Also like guwa said tabi exists

[sly gale]

it was so bad

[queen sail]

[sly gale]

but no one would ever think of that

[sand umbra]

Asgardian Aegis, Elysian Aegis, literally every non-bash dash acc

Cryo's lore item, for Chrysler's sake

[gusty geode]

Isn't it
Expert+ tho
And has the SoC as a material

[sand umbra]

NO

that's not a thing

[queen sail]

Bruh

[tired haven]

The Community efficience over the months:

current stats
3/4 of stats + no wing boost right after the suggestion comes to life
putrid scent
shark tooth necklace
shackle
blood pact
???

Jokes aside, well yeah, this is kinda utopic to suggest that

[sand umbra]

that has not been a thing for as long as I can remember

[queen sail]

Shield of Cthulhu is not used at all in Calamity

[sand umbra]

SoC isn't used for shit in Clam

[tired haven]

It isn't, ye

Probably for good since expert+ dash lock is kinda smelly

[gusty geode]

I thought that was the point of expert tho
"Look at these cool things you can do but you gotta play the higher difficulty to do them"

[radiant meadow]

paladin's shield is already used in frigid bulwark

also, the community acc idea sounds like a fucking disaster gone wrong

and a balance horror

[tired haven]

It's good to let expert (or custom modes in general) have some sweets others can't but they shouldn't be as game-changing

[cobalt rose]

if you thought it was a bad idea then why did you suggest it

[sly gale]

i dunno

ideas come out from me everysingle day

[radiant meadow]

I'm just going to outright delete it because there is absolutely zero chance it'll happen and nobody will want to work with it

[sly gale]

dont worry

already did it

at least we now know the key to ruining a community

[cobalt rose]

please just think what good would come from it before you suggest next time, as well as posting suggestions in here for feedback before you actually post them.

[tired haven]

Tbh I won't really mind if the suggestions were forced to come through a discussion in that channel, albeit it's hard to track and measure

[wide flicker]

Maybe a system where you discuss suggestions here, and somebody with permissions can place it in the actual suggestions channel if it gets enough support here

[sand umbra]

so...thoughts on the sugg I posted in here?
is it worth posting in suggs, basically

[karmic stone]

I'd star it

Mostly because of Ornate being just a material memes and to spice up dashing accs

[distant gyro]

8 defense moment tbh

[sand umbra]

I'd make things like this for other Material Accessories™️ while I'm at it as well, but as I said, quality over quantity. better to have one quality acc rework than a buncha bad or mediocre ones

byeah, if it seems all good lemme slap it in the channel proper

[radiant meadow]

bootleg cryo lore moment?

[sand umbra]

implying Cryo lore itself isn't a bootleg in the first place

[cobalt rose]

cryo lore is just so you dont have to waste an accessory slot with SoC

change my mind

[sand umbra]

(also tbf I really think Cryo lore could do something more unique rather than being a dash that doesn't require an acc or buff slot but that's not the target item here so /shrug)

(a discussion for another time, I suppose)

[cobalt rose]

did you forget it freezes people

[radiant meadow]

cryo lore becomes community 2.0

[sand umbra]

so does half the stuff Cryo drops

Glacial State is fun

[cobalt rose]

lore items arent supposed to be super op anyways

with that in mind, i think cryo lore does enough

[sand umbra]

okay, fuck it, Cryo lore gives aura of Chilled or some similar more unique effect when

byeah, the focal point here is Ornate Shield specifically and its current...ineffectiveness, shall we say

[hollow shell]

I used Cryo lore throughout the whole game one playthrough because I wanted a dash but didn't wanna mess up my vanity

[sand umbra]

[hollow shell]

Not even kidding

[cobalt rose]

i used cryo lore to free up an acc slot

until i got valor, of course.

[gusty geode]

You know now I'm curious what vanilla items Calamity doesn't touch

[sand umbra]

nearly all of them, despite the vanilla changes page implying otherwise

[distant gyro]

A lot of them surprisingly

[sand umbra]

there are many weapons Calamity applies basic stat modifications to, but a very large amount of vanilla weapons are still untouched and remain worthless because of it

Frost Staff meme hours

[distant gyro]

pretty much every single block and wall in the game is untouched

[tired haven]

Unsafe dungeon walls

[distant gyro]

That's not touched either

[tired haven]

yeah I'm just juggling exceptions, don't mind me

[distant gyro]

Calamity only added unsafe walls to circumvent the problem

[sand umbra]

[tired haven]

I mean, isn't that a change?

[sand umbra]

(which then became irrelevant anyway because the only two bosses it was a problem for got a lot more lenient with their enrages iirc)

[distant gyro]

that's like saying crystal vile shard is bad so calamity buffs it by adding hell burst

[tired haven]

That's true though?

[sand umbra]

that's not a buff

I'm sorry to break this to you

[tired haven]

Same logic with tactical shotgun

[distant gyro]

that's just a workaround

[tired haven]

(even if I hate that logic)

[distant gyro]

not actually a buff to the weapon itself

[sand umbra]

Frost Staff is bad

I only hear good things about Crystal Flare Staff moments but that doesn't change the fact that Frost Staff is bad

that juat means it crafts into something that is not nearly as bad

[tired haven]

tbh if we consider material accs fine why not consider material weps

[sand umbra]

material accs have the same issue

[tired haven]

probably neither are considered fine but eh

yeh

[distant gyro]

mega accessories btw

[tired haven]

mega weps coughs in kelvin

[distant gyro]

ankh shield

and its funky materials

eg. who actually uses The Plan unironically

[tired haven]

As quickswap accs they aren't half bad
Just that no one considers that functionality because ankh shield exists

(tbf I only ever quickswap bezoar out of 9)

[distant gyro]

actually lemme look this up because I forgot ho bad this thing was

[tired haven]

How bad is the item with 2 debuff immunities?

[sand umbra]

some varying types of examples here, both listed here and not:

• Frost Staff ---> Crystal Flare Staff (the original example I gave)
• Tactical Shotgun ---> Conclave Crossfire (+ Conference Call)
• Lunar PIck Set ---> Gallant Pickaxe
• Badge of Bravery ---> Yharim's Insignia
• Master Ninja Gear ---> Statis' Ninja Belt
• Muramasa ---> both Evil Blades (Night's Edge + Bloody Edge)
• literally all of Ankh Shield's material accs
• Living Dew ---> Honey Dew
• probably more that I can't think of right now

[distant gyro]

Who actually inflicts both Confused and Slow

I use Trifold Map sometimes ye to prevent stupid Confusion

[gusty geode]

Pixies iirc

[distant gyro]

But when combined into The Plan, it just reeks "combine to Ankh Charm" for me

[gusty geode]

And I'm also semi-sure Feral Bite can lead to both of those

[loud steeple]

It can

[distant gyro]

and brain of cthulhu expert but that is irrelevant by that progression

[tired haven]

who actually inflicts all the confused-slow-weak-broken armor-poison-bleeding-cursed-silenced-darkness-chilled debuffs at once

Sorry, but that's how it sounded to me

[distant gyro]

the only reason ankh shield is good because no need for quick swap as it has KB resist and defense

[loud steeple]

Cough cough masomode cough cough

[distant gyro]

I would actually say that to Ankh Charm

[tired haven]

Masomode is a special child

which I'd stab for the existence of enchs but that's another story

[wide flicker]

Masomode kinda feels like it is just hard and does random stuff to you for the sake of being hard and doing random stuff to you, but that is off topic

[hollow shell]

That's the point

[gusty geode]

Correct me if I'm wrong but can't the ankh shield theoretically be obtained early-hardmode

[hollow shell]

Yes iirc

As soon as you enter

[sand umbra]

Ankh Shield can be obtained from the second you enter Hardmode

[distant gyro]

@sand umbra
Here's some vanilla ones
Philo Stone -> Charm of Myths (Cal : Deific Amulet)
Star Cloak -> Bee Cloak
Cross Necklace and/or Star Cloak -> Star Veil (Cal : Deific Amulet)
The Boots.
The Diving Gear.
All dungeon weapons and accessories except Aqua Scepter

[sand umbra]

oh god I forgot

Dungeon weps in general have this issue even in vanilla

and Deific Amulet just takes the fucking cake

[hollow shell]

I always go for Star Veil personally
Never made Bee Cloak

[distant gyro]

🐝 cloak is just there

[sand umbra]

boots, I will accept somewhat because there is a degree of separation between the various pieces

[gusty geode]

As for maso-mode
I think it's what all difficulty modes should be
Most just buff stats and make the bosses harder
But maso-mode
It leaves nothing untouched
You've gotta watch out for literally everything

[sand umbra]

(and because I would eviscerate under everybody's hands if I tried to separate them more)

but vanilla has the issue just about as bad as Calamity does, just in different areas

it is very much a two-sided issue

[distant gyro]

Mimicessories though

[sand umbra]

I wanna fucking slaughter whoever made Mimics drop fifty different goddamn useful accs

[distant gyro]

Controversial Say maybe but deific amulet might/should be pushed a bit

[sand umbra]

Deific Amulet being pushed is fine by me

[distant gyro]

It literally lasts until ML

maybe even until DoG by some

and it's obtainable as early as HM

[tired haven]

except it doesn't after the armor pen nerf

[sand umbra]

byeah Deific basically lasts nearly as long as it takes to obtain its upgrade

[distant gyro]

vro who apart from nohitters use them solely for armor pen

[sand umbra]

^

Deific Amulet has half a fuckin' dozen other effects that are invaluable for late-game

[distant gyro]

they use it for free star veil + charm of myths effect tbh

also the armor pen to an extent

[sand umbra]

namely, the Cross Necklace/Star Veil and Charm of Myths effects

[tired haven]

Like, uh, potion cd that you get by quickswap? or 10 iframes?

[sand umbra]

(additionally, the armor penetration is still much more of a boost than you may believe it to be post-nerf, it's just not god-tier anymore)

[distant gyro]

ok but who has enough iqs to do quickswaps

[sand umbra]

^

[tired haven]

Certainly me

[gusty geode]

Tbh I think it was a cool idea
It really gets you hunting for those things
Don't see that often in Calamity
There's generally something useful dropped by every enemy
Whereas vanilla has enemies that drop what you want and others that just get in your way
Calamity doesn't have a single enemy that's just there to get in your way, at least not outside its unique biomes

[tired haven]

Don't get me wrong tho, it would be pretty interesting to move deific out of premech

[distant gyro]

shockstorm shuttle

nah jk

[sand umbra]

pre-Hardmode Sunskaters
everything in the Astral Infection pre-Aureus aside from Stardust meme
Calamity Eyes

[gusty geode]

Sunskaters and calamity eyes I'll give you, but I said it doesn't often happen outside modded biomes

[sand umbra]

[tired haven]

Imagine filler content in modded biomes

Oh wait half the SS enemies

[sand umbra]

this meme was brought to you by

yeah

literally nearly everything in the Sunken Sea

[radiant meadow]

brb making all the sunken sea enemies launch tactical nukes

[distant gyro]

[sand umbra]

you're gonna give me a fuckin' heart attack

[distant gyro]

wtf is the topic again

[hallow kraken]

Ah yes post cryogen +6 defense S tier accessory ngl

[sand umbra]

tbf I still stand by the assertion that Calamity Eyes should be post-Clonamitas and have a chance to drop Calamity Dust

[tired haven]

Filler content ig

[radiant meadow]

there's a reason the music is called sanctuary

[sand umbra]

Material Accessories are the kings of filler content

[distant gyro]

isn't ornate +8

[tired haven]

It is

[distant gyro]

still terrible though

[sand umbra]

yes, it grants 8 defense

[hallow kraken]

I apologize for my mistake

[sand umbra]

it's just that the accessory is so pathetically worthless in every other field and is outclassed by so much shit you can get before it that you're unlikely to realize it's 8 instead of 6 for the simple reason that you will never use it.

[tired haven]

Tbh it would be more interesting if it gave a multiplier maybe?

[distant gyro]

multiplayer shield is wack

[hallow kraken]

But yeah it’s literally just “have another ingredient for valor that’s not even hard to get”

[distant gyro]

like palasmeme

[sand umbra]

literally nobody ever uses this thing outside of a Valor mat

(okay maybe some people do idk, but it has virtually no practical use compared to other accs outside of the AValor tree)

[amber elk]

maybe its lack of experience. what about shield of the ocean?

[distant gyro]

Ornate Shield is great for vanity

[gusty geode]

I like how we're discussing stuff that's a bitch to get
But glossing over the cell phone

[distant gyro]

Shield of the Ocean is good for early game

[tired haven]

Multiplier, not multiplayer, bruh

[sand umbra]

Cell Phone is actually fucking retarded

smh

[distant gyro]

It's a good filler slot and stuff

[sand umbra]

there's a reason that thing is an immediate upgrade

half its ingredients are total bastards to get

[distant gyro]

[tired haven]

Cell phone is funny and all until you realise one quarter is locked by merch rng and another is locked by fishing

[distant gyro]

All I need is to combine dps meter and watch tbh

[sand umbra]

see also: have fucking fun finding a Nymph for a Metal Detector, good luck farming Dungeon for Tally Counter, Travelling Merchant literally hoards one third of the tree, and Angler refuses to give three more parts

[hallow kraken]

It’s also pretty nice when it takes up a lot of your screen with mostly useless information, and toggling all of them off would really just mean use regular mirror

[sand umbra]

this is a completely accurate guide to making a fucking iPhone in Terraria, how may I help you

[radiant meadow]

desert scourge drops fish finder stuff

[tired haven]

One quarter, not third, h
and that's what I said basically

[sand umbra]

well byes but

[radiant meadow]

and there's a metal detector recipe next update

[sand umbra]

vanil--

WUT

METAL DETECTOR RECIPE

[radiant meadow]

totally not because I got pissed off trying to find a nymph

[sand umbra]

[distant gyro]

metal detector recipe yes

[sand umbra]

Nymphs are fucking stupid to hunt down

[radiant meadow]

it uses hallowed bars though

[sand umbra]

br

[fierce mulch]

br

[tired haven]

huh

[sand umbra]

why the fuck Hallowed Bars

[wide flicker]

Just kill destroyer with almost any piercing weapon

[hallow kraken]

Some calamity recipes are weird, enchanted sword for example

[tired haven]

in prehm kk

[radiant meadow]

because nymphs are pretty rare and metal detector shouldn't be a super easy snag

[wide flicker]

There you got hallowed bars

[sand umbra]

fair

[distant gyro]

btw does anyone find it weird that vanilla often uses tinkerer's workshop while in calam there's only 5 recipes with tinker table in the first place

[tired haven]

Meh tbh

[radiant meadow]

goblin ain't got nothin' on calamity

[gusty geode]

Before those cell phone components were added I'm convinced that nymphs only existed to be a "too strong to kill now due" enemy

[radiant meadow]

that's why we literally steal his money

[tired haven]

i'm kinda bored of workshop monopoly to think about that

[radiant meadow]

[sand umbra]

Bandit is the true Calamity GOD(dess)

she helps to combat Goblin's complete and utter monopoly on everything

[distant gyro]

Somewhere in the world, Tax Collector still obsolete as ever

[sand umbra]

Tax Collector makes me pensive

[swift wadi]

Honestly giving the Clentaminator like 2 upgrades with the last one being absolutely insane would be cool to see

I'd like that

[gusty geode]

Gonna die cuz specific tho

[proven tide]

^

[sand umbra]

.

Clentaminator-inator

[swift wadi]

I think that name is kinda funny, i like it

[sand umbra]

what is this, a Phineas and Ferb crossover

[swift wadi]

But adding things like a crafting recipe is bad for suggestions

Makes them die faster

[hollow shell]

@gleaming sundial I'm gonna say This is a specific item suggestion.
Such suggestions aren't allowed

Seems like you want it to be called the "Clentaminator-inator" and you gave it a very specific recipe, etc

If you wanna suggest a Clentaminator upgrade you're gonna have to be more general than that

[swift wadi]

Yeah true

[gleaming sundial]

want me to Wipe the Specific Stuff out?

[swift wadi]

Probably a good idea, might get deleted

[hollow shell]

Yeah, and don't give it a name. Just refer to it as a Clentaminator upgrade and give some reasoning behind the improvements you want it to have over the vanilla one

It'll only get deleted if you ignore me :P

[gleaming sundial]

what if i don't ignore you?

[hollow shell]

Then the suggestion stays and it's all good

[gleaming sundial]

@hollow shell Is it better now?

or are there any More Adjustments that need to be made.

[hollow shell]

It is much better
but you could add a reason why you want it to be implemented (with those new functions).

[gleaming sundial]

There we go.

[hollow shell]

Thank you very much, that is good

[distant gyro]

isn't there a clent upgrade sug 3 days ago

[hollow shell]

yeah this is getting bluechecked

[swift wadi]

What's a blue check

[hollow shell]

I prolly didn't need to ask for a reason to be put on that, considering such.
But I really appreciate Grizzie's effort

[distant gyro]

bluecheck still appears as a box for me but ye

[hollow shell]

Bluecheck reaction (on his suggestion now) indicates that the idea has been suggested in the past

[distant gyro]

gotta love discord meming emotes on different devices

[hollow shell]

Yeah it's great I love it

If a bluechecked suggestion reaches the star requirement (currently 90), then the original suggestion gets marked as being highly suggested

So, there's still a reason to keep em up, even if they themselves won't get delivered

[gleaming sundial]

i Stole someone's idea without even knowing it. well for a community this large and long lasting that's just the inevitable

[hollow shell]

Ye it's cool lol

Happens all the time

by the way I'm late as heck on this and I thought it already got brought up to him but I wanna get the grey exclamed sugg outta here if I can
@cloud surge Your Magma Stone suggestion. It's already in the mod. The Brimstone Crag has a chest in it which always contains a Magma Stone

[swift wadi]

I thought you told him that already? Did 2 people suggest that same thing

[hollow shell]

I really did think it was mentioned before
but there's no messages from him in this channel on Saturday and nobody pinged him on Saturday, and the suggestion is still up
So, I'm just gonna assume there was a convo that he was never directly contacted about

[swift wadi]

Huh

[lucid marsh]

These suggestions are important to me, I don’t have the greatest eyes nor reaction time, and this would be a nice accessibility change

[swift wadi]

An option to reduce particles would be very nice for low end pc's aswell, I like that idea, I personally have never had a problem telling Provi's flames apart however

And my eyesight is almost as shit as it gets

I think there's a way to toggle the orange background off too?

[lucid marsh]

I fought Provi in the hallowed desert today

And I like the background changes, just not projectiles being identical color to the background of the boss, that’s specifically a provi problem

Not identical but you get the point

[swift wadi]

True it's a lot of orange

Also "While Providence is alive, the world is tinted an orange color. This will only happen if the Lighting option in the Settings Menu is set to "Color" or "White".

[distant gyro]

@lucid marsh Potion of Omniscience.

That's all.

[swift wadi]

Could change lighting if needed

[lucid marsh]

@distant gyro I don’t want to have to craft a million potions just to play the fucking game

[distant gyro]

Highlights enemy projectile is one of its functions

except that :

[lucid marsh]

This isn’t a problem with any other boss

[distant gyro]

Omniscience Potion is piss easy to craft

[lucid marsh]

I don’t have hours to grind every time

[distant gyro]

Literally slap hunter, dangersense, and spelunker together

Which you should have gathered from pots by now

[lucid marsh]

I could just cheat them in

[swift wadi]

If it helps you see I say go ahead

[lucid marsh]

I guess I could do that, I’d just rather have

[distant gyro]

it makes cocoon flames bright orange

[lucid marsh]

It be designed well

[queen sail]

@tawny wind because texture packs are optional???

[hollow shell]

Yeah, player's choice

[queen sail]

You don’t have to use the extra music mod

[hollow shell]

And also the texture pack is owned and managed by different people than the Calamity Mod team

[tawny wind]

OK

[queen sail]

[hollow shell]

@supple lodge Same vein as the old sprite suggestions
It's a Don't now

Technically it's been a don't for a while but now it's even Don'ter

[queen sail]

What’s with people and “Add some way to have players experience old content”

[hollow shell]

aaand he went offline immediately

[queen sail]

[terse sundial]

why does this happen so often where people post a suggestion then immediately go offline?

[queen sail]

Some even leave right after

[hollow shell]

(I'd say it's because people don't know that this channel exists but Skoores has talked here before)

[ashen warren]

ban for criticism evasion

[gusty geode]

Broke: Old DoG theme
Woke: Old Cal theme

[tepid root]

boss 2 remix moment

[supple lodge]

Shit forgot that wasn’t allowed

[hallow kraken]

Why not just turn ingame music off and play the old music online

[opaque sierra]

Big brain

[tired haven]

Too big brain

[opaque sierra]

[tired haven]

also alttab breaks terraria once in a while but don't @ me

[opaque sierra]

Terraria is such a big game yet it is very unknown to most people I know

I know a lot of people

Drill mount should have an upgrade

[hallow kraken]

onyx drill?

[opaque sierra]

Oh it has one already?

There's an improved drill mount mod. Imagine an upgrade like that

[hallow kraken]

No

[opaque sierra]

No, or no?

[hallow kraken]

I was just wondering whether you were talking about DCU or onyx drill

[opaque sierra]

Oh

Dcu

[hallow kraken]

sick

[opaque sierra]

A super DCU that basically obliterates half a large world in seconds

Using an ass load of every calamity bar, includes auric ore and a bunch of Shadowspec bars

And also requires the regular DCU

[hallow kraken]

Recipes with shadowspec are banned

[opaque sierra]

Oh really?

[sand umbra]

but it's not Shadowspec

it's Shadowpeck

[hallow kraken]

s h a d o w p e c k

[sand umbra]

[opaque sierra]

Stupid autocorrect

[hallow kraken]

But yeah shadowspec bars are a dev thing only zone

[opaque sierra]

Well then it requires 99 of every bar in calamity excluding shadowspec, and requires 10000 auric ore and a regular DCU

[distant gyro]

smelly SI sug

iirc

[sand umbra]

10k Auric Ore

[opaque sierra]

Oh yeah

This upgrade will be insanity

Would*

[sand umbra]

and y'all harp on me for proposing a renewable source of Auric Ore

smfh

[opaque sierra]

Imagine more auric ore spawning the more you kill yharon

[sand umbra]

no

[opaque sierra]

But only a limited amount if times

So 5 tops

[sand umbra]

.

I

do you know what renewable means

[opaque sierra]

Ye

[sand umbra]

that literally only mitigates the problem, that is not renewable

[opaque sierra]

Well I'm not tryna find a renewable source

Just to get enough auric ore to craft the upgraded DCU

[terse sundial]

like 8 thousand auric ore spawns on a large world post-yharon p2

I think you will be fine with that

[opaque sierra]

That upgrade would obliterate everything

[sand umbra]

like I'm sorry to break this to you
every single other ore in Calamity can be renewably farmed in some capacity
Auric Ore cannot for no good reason other than that its vein are enormous (except guess what recipe costs recently increased to account for this)

I really oughta suggest adding a renewable source of Auric Ore (again? unsure if I have before) at some point

[queen sail]

Auric Drone miniboss?

[opaque sierra]

Make dreadon drop auric ore

[sand umbra]

if I wanted probes I'd play Dimensions

[queen sail]

[opaque sierra]

[tired haven]

So you chose slimes

[ashen warren]

on one hand i like this sugg because mutant gets to eat more money

[queen sail]

And Mutant boss prices are affected by mutant discount card/pact

[tired haven]

[queen sail]

So you can get DS summons for fuckin 1 gold eventually

Aka a literal penny in this game

[sand umbra]

So you chose slimes

look, I would love more unique ore farming enemies, but everyone's going to throw a fucking hissy fit if I don't say slimes

because muh consistency >:(((

[ashen warren]

is DS summon only 2 gold??

[queen sail]

No it’s 2

Iirc

[tired haven]

Mfw chaotic pufferfish

[queen sail]

Bruh

Also ye thomas abyss chaotic ore fish exist

[sand umbra]

Chaotic Ore is a special fucking snowflake as it is right now

[ashen warren]

so it went from 2 pennies to 1 penny

[opaque sierra]

Just make a post yharon boss drop auric ore. Problem solved

[tired haven]

What bothers to add another snowflake?

[distant gyro]

puffer hour

[queen sail]

How about suggestions for unique ore enemies except slimes

[sand umbra]

actually, y'know what

yeah

[tired haven]

eeh

[sand umbra]

this is exactly the excuse I needed

[mossy shale]

Who reacted to the exclamation mark on my suggestion

[opaque sierra]

[queen sail]

Like remove cryo slime

Make cryons drop cryonic ore instead

[tired haven]

You can check reactions tab for that so

[queen sail]

Make them worth smth other than “generic eleum essence enemy”

[sand umbra]

what the actual shit is a Cryon again

[mossy shale]

Remove all the ore Slimes and just make ores renewable by fishing

[queen sail]

Eviscerate

[hollow shell]

btw Kitten more NPCs than just the Dryad sell boss summons

[tired haven]

Decapitate

[ashen warren]

calamity boss summons are scattered across like 5 npcs

also wow, crosscompat sugmas aren't a Don't?

[tired haven]

They are?

[ashen warren]

are not a Don't (i.e. are allowed)?

[sand umbra]

apparently

time to suggest more armor sets for the express purpose of more Fargo's grind

[hollow shell]

(where does it say that)

[mossy shale]

Why would cross compat be a dont

[distant gyro]

it's scattered across 9 NPCs

[mossy shale]

Calamity has it already with a ton of things

[ashen warren]

i must be misremembering

[tired haven]

Ah, I confused that with Thorium frequently suggested

Also the suggestions can be treated differently than actual content

[distant gyro]

Pirate - 1, Goblin - 1, Archmage - 1, Clothier - 2, Steampunker - 3, Sea King - 3, Wizard - 4, Witch Doctor - 6, Dryad - 8

[hollow shell]

Some crossmod suggs have been yeeted in the past for different reasons
Something like "Make this thing less powerful because you can get it easier using this other mod"

[tired haven]

Look, post Scal weps also do exist but you can't suggest them, harhar

[hollow shell]

but I think this suggestion is fine, considering Fargo installation is a requisite

It's not saying "Make no NPCs sell summons cuz Fargo already does that"

[queen sail]

Can i uhhhh

Post this semi sugma now

[sand umbra]

who remembers Shockstorm Shuttles allowing Conduit armor at the start of Hardmode hueh

[queen sail]

[hollow shell]

what

[mossy shale]

Just make that a rule then

[queen sail]

Also yes

[distant gyro]

[queen sail]

Anyways big ech incoming

Suggs for new ore enemies instead of slimes:
Aerialite = Skyskeeter in Space or smth
Cryonic = Cryons
Perennial = Plantera-esque miniboss or smth
Astral = Atlases
Uelibloom = Uelibloom Ent mayhaps, idk
Auric = Auric Probe with probe ai from the destroyer which is a mechanical boss in Terraria

[mossy shale]

"All crossmod compatibility suggestions should require the mod in question be installed as a requisite"

[distant gyro]

Sunskeeter

[hollow shell]

Not sure where that'd be written
but that's an aight rule

[ashen warren]

skrrt

[tired haven]

tbh
All the unique mobs suggested will almost inevitably be rejected by a spriting bottleneck

[ashen warren]

here comes skyboi

[mossy shale]

Aka you cant say to remove something because another mod did it

[distant gyro]

Sunskaters are in no way appropriate for Aerialite imo

[mossy shale]

Instead you can say to remove something that another mod does if its installed

[distant gyro]

btw : Charred Ore - Despair Stone

[ashen warren]

new enemy: skyskater. its just a skeet but with aerialite palette

[queen sail]

Oh yes right

The crags exist

[sand umbra]

literally rebrand Aero Slimes to something actually fun to look at and make them actually spawn in the Sky/Space layer instead of meme Underground

[queen sail]

Also yes terry that’s pretty much it

[ashen warren]

underground has too much slimes sometimes

[tired haven]

Tremor 3: skeet spree

[ashen warren]

variety would be neat

Calamity DLC: Skeet Dimension's Edge

[sand umbra]

there are too many fucking slimes, period

[ashen warren]

fuck it just make a slime worm boss

"""gummy worm"""

[sand umbra]

crab.

why.

[tired haven]

Because don't swear like that kk?

[ashen warren]

i have

[queen sail]

Crabbar arrested for horny on main