outside of pre hardmode
#suggestions-discussion
runic heath
sand umbra
what about materials such as:
- Effulgent Feathers
- Sentinel drops
- Nightmare Fuel and Endothermic Energy
- Darksun Fragments
- Yharon Soul Fragments
I'd say Reaper Teeth too but Omega Blue is okay as it is
the point I'm making here is that you don't even necessarily need to add new materials to make this happen
you can just give the existing ones more of a purpose on their own merit
anywho, I'm getting off-track here, probably
teal ibex
ye its a fair point, its just also awkward to introduce entire new armor sets since there's a lot of moving parts to be considered with them
and you might just end up with a new meta armor and defeat the point entirely, but that can hopefully be avoided
sleek hamlet
Proposal: we give the Dwarf the ability to sell the explosive shotgun shells and Grenade shells after beating DoG, Danny Phantoghast, or Yharon; or alternatively give him a few explosive centric accessories and weapons to sell like a Grenade Launcher that can shoot the variants of Grenades or a glove that increases blast radii and damage of explosives?
karmic stone
Why
shell lynx
Is there a crimson variant of the shadethrower?
karmic stone
No
shell lynx
I feel like that could be quite nice
sand umbra
bloodthrower
make a Hive Mind variant of the Aorta while you're at it
(don't actually, something I like about the second evil boss pair is that their drop pools are functionally different in the first place)
zealous ridge
Never really liked the second evil pair’s drops
zealous ridge
1 I feel like there are too many
2 aerialite is the same tier basically, results in too much bloat imo
quick ice
I don’t like the placement of Calamities evil bosses since there’s 2 evil bosses pre-Hardmode and very little evil biome content in Hardmode+
sand umbra
yeah I
do think part of the detriment comes from just
having them right after EoW/BoC in the first place
I seriously think they could benefit from being moved to Hardmode and having a new, more fitting boss introduce Aerialite to the playing field
(I've humored this idea before, as a matter of fact --- what's gotten me tripped up is where to put them progression-wise)
quick ice
If we wanted to go really crazy, Cloud Elemental could be reworked and made into a real boss
ripe ether
tbh what if we just got more hm evil biome content
because aside from souls and mimics they do have much
quick ice
Here’s a better one for ya: what if we got 1 of the 3-4 Hallowed minibosses that we’re sprited a while ago
ripe ether
What if hallow had a reason to exist
civic pond
quick ice
heady comet
yeah no
quick ice
Hallow needs help yeah, it has 1 “new” enemy and a new weapon, plus some Profaned Enemies which feel out of place
sand umbra
/smiles in the corner
quick ice
Hopefully with Journeys end the new boss they’re making is a hallowed boss, since if they do bad Calamity will fix it up with Rev/Death changes
sand umbra
that's gonna make a billion times more work for me tho,...,,.,.,,....
zealous ridge
quick ice
what do you mean?
zealous ridge
In all fairness, bongoes, golem drops essence of sunlight
sand umbra
EE stuff, don't worry about it
tbf I wouldn't mind Clam getting some new Hallowed content, even if it'd make more work for me, because it'd show the devs at least care about it
hexed ore
That's true
zealous ridge
But that’s a bit of a ways off, I understand that
quick ice
Wasn’t there a planned hallowed update with a bunch of minibosses that got scrapped last minute?
zealous ridge
Harder to grind, per se, and by that point rav is grindable
Yes I remember that krant
Got me really hyped then it wasn’t heard from again
sand umbra
I should look into that
...or well, I would if I wouldn't eviscerate under someone's hands for doing so
quick ice
If we just got 1 of those minibosses I’d be happy since I’m an Enemy-Enthusiast
zealous ridge
I have the picture but idk if I’m allowed to post it
quick ice
No there were multiple, weren’t there?
zealous ridge
One of them was a bull I remember that
hollow shell
I don't think they were "scrapped last minute" as much as
never really got to the point where they'd be implemented
zealous ridge
sand umbra
...that
hollow shell
Yeah that
zealous ridge
Rylunter
gusty geode
Why did I immediately think of Crystullium or whatever when I saw that
hollow shell
old Vaik sprite
sand umbra
doge pls
gusty geode
The funny thing is I've never even gone near it before
ripe ether
Basically, hallow and evil biomes need actual hm content please
zealous ridge
They are lacking, that much is true
civic pond
honestly hive and perfs would have been neat in hm but i wont say anything further
ripe ether
honestly perf should just be removed and we should just have hive mind and flesh mind
civic pond
cobalt rose
i don't think you understand the concept behind hive mind and perfs
gusty geode
Removing Perfs means removing EoW and that's gonna cause lots of 
s
ripe ether
change every boss to hive mind
gusty geode
Didn't Fargo do a mod that was kinda like that
void kelp
yeah, terry's mutant mod
queen sail
And that’s gonna be a blue check 
terse sundial
just barely within the cutoff
worldly saffron
One of my suggestions immediately had all of its reactions removed after posting it
teal ibex
merk would you have starred it otherwise?
worldly saffron
The minecart is more of a nitpick, but I genuinely think that more wiring would be interesting
terse sundial
Yes for the minecart suggestion
terse sundial
I find minecarts and building tracks etc fun
worldly saffron
Same
I do believe that you could kill many bosses with just sheer firepower with the party girl's rockets, but it would take an immense amount of space up
zealous ridge
mappy is known for doing that to vanilla bosses, at least
worldly saffron
I mean HappyDays did it with the ML
zealous ridge
just imagine a black hole firework that like sucked enemies in and tore them apart lmao, that would be badass
worldly saffron
It's pretty common knowledge that you can just throw all of Russia's armaments at a boss and it will die
heady comet
imagine a spear fishing subclass to make spears useful
zealous ridge
worldly saffron
Nadir noises
quick ice
I could get behind another Minecart but more mechanical/wiring stuff isn’t my thing
worldly saffron
I understand that it's not a common thing for people to be interested in, but I personally enjoy taking hours to make a machine to kill a boss
heady comet
I wouldnt turn down the idea of ramming yharon with a devourer of gods minecart
worldly saffron
lol
imagine an endgame minecart that was just the DoG's head that would instakill enemies
Vehicular Manslaughter
heady comet
*Godslaughter
tawny wind
I did because its Just too slow Like Scarlett devil powerful but sloow
worldly saffron
that's kind of the point
zenith hazel
celestus is a good endgame weapon though
left crest
Celestus is good against literally every part of the SCal fight, i dont see the issue
zenith hazel
hell, it’s the only rogue option available for scal
if you say sotc is another option then imma shoot you
worldly saffron
I'll go grab my old Celestus and test it out
zealous ridge
it really isnt lmao, ive tried it it doesnt work
worldly saffron
Last time I used it I didn't notice
zealous ridge
celestus is good
if anything, i think the slow but powerful motif isnt used enough
like eclipse's fall is just as good spamming it as it is stealth chaining
zenith hazel
also, celestus was recently made slower but had its base damage doubled
and it’s still good for scal
making it quicker would be breaking it again
zealous ridge
was the projectile spam too much for i frames or smth?
zenith hazel
@tawny wind at least provide dps tests and kill times please
worldly saffron
I'm checking it rn
alright
I won't be using accessories at all, just armors that are equal or past its tier
karmic stone
@tawny wind
Celestus used to be twice-ish as fast as it is right now, but it killed IFrames and didn't pair as well with Nanotech as it potentially could
So now it has less speed and double damage to compensate, this is a buff
worldly saffron
No Armor: Average 25k, Highest 31k
Silva: Average 50k, Highest 60k
Auric: Average 90k, Highest 100k
Demonshade: Average 50k, Highest 60k
And that's just the weapon, not the extra projectiles it shoots out after a hit
lol
torn mulch
lol
worldly saffron
some people like it idk why
I just use it for when I'm lazy and don't want to have to switch loadouts for different weapons
zenith hazel
if you’re going to test, at least use accessories
zenith hazel
but from those numbers, celestus is good
worldly saffron
Accessories vary in loadouts a lot, and I don't want to spend a long time trying different accessories
zealous ridge
with my top tier auric post-yharon pre-scal set, i do upwards of 298k dps
worldly saffron
Plus I don't play much Rogue, so my accessories would most likely be sub-optimal
zealous ridge
eclipses fall does around 80-90k when stealth chaining, 80k with spamming, and 110k with stealth strike+spam during the spear rain
so id say celestus is good for it's tier, seeing as this weapon is far weaker
not to say that eclipse's fall is the best rogue weapon pre p2 yharon
i believe empyrean was 140k
SoTC is floating around 190-220k
i wont continue in light of the fact that i might flood chat, but the point stands that by all comparable weapons, celestus performs well for it's tier
worldly saffron
ok, I did a test with the accessories I could think of
zealous ridge
probably should mention im testing on a single super dummy
worldly saffron
Celestus' Highest damage (No Buffs) was 200k, Average was maybe 145k
and I was using a single super dummy as well
karmic stone
Dummies/Super Dummies are innacurate iirc
hollow shell
Super Dummies are decent
zealous ridge
as seen by these differing numbers tbf
hollow shell
but boss kill times are the best measure
zealous ridge
well in that case
i just don't see the need for a buff, if even slight, to celestus's attack speed
if anything all this has shown me is that eclipse's fall needs a buff
maybe not by these specific stats, but i certainly found more use from the SoTC vs Eclipse's fall in the yharon fight
that is, unless the person is talking about quicker as in faster projectile speed
worldly saffron
Ok, I did an Expert Providence fight with this loadout
zealous ridge
the wording is vague
worldly saffron
time was 7-8 seconds
worldly saffron
well give me a boss then
zealous ridge
hollow shell
it's Celestus, an exo-weapon
steel raptor
Sorry if my suggestion was a bit long; I just feel like Hadal Stew is in an odd state rn.
It's either remove the post-plantera/calamitas ingredients or buff the thing to that tier if it needs a fix.
quick ice
That’s a reasonable suggestion, though a bit long for such a simple idea
worldly saffron
I'm just gonna stop lol
hollow shell
Nah go to 0% tis valuable info
worldly saffron
ah
Time to 0%: 5:37
including all other events such as brothers, sepulcher, etc.
heady comet
mech glove on rogue setup
zenith hazel
that’s not a rogue loadout, that’s a hybrid loadout
worldly saffron
ik, I'm just lazy
zenith hazel
a very questionable hybrid loadout at that
hollow shell
So the time could be even better
worldly saffron
It could be much better
hollow shell
@tawny wind Celestus is fine.
worldly saffron
and I didn't use buffs either
hollow shell
Takes less than 6 minutes to kill SCal with a questionable loadout
could take less than 5 minutes if optimized
That's good
heady comet
tested with a better load out and got around 3 mins
oak meteor
whats the percentage of green ticked sugg being added
hollow shell
I can actually answer this question
Gimme a sec
For the past month
It's about 14%
oak meteor
hmm
hollow shell
An unsent (no green tick) suggestion has about a 6% chance of being added
well, "chance"
Rate.
oak meteor
looks like a small chance for the fishing suggestion from a week ago
hollow shell
m
oak meteor
how do you discuss with the dev team whether to add or not add a sugg
hollow shell
For most suggs the discussion is not very in-depth
They get sent, and the devs vote on em, but there may not be a word spoken about em
oak meteor
oh
i thought there would be a disccusion about how it could help and if it to Op and other stuff
hollow shell
That crab pot suggestion was somewhat approved by devs, in voting.
3 approvals vs 0 rejections
And yeah sometimes that happens
but we get a lot of suggestions
Can't talk about them all
hollow shell
Doesn't look like it no
hallow kraken
Does yharon still get mad at you for not killing providence and DoG?
hollow shell
No, seems like that's no longer a thing
hallow kraken
Welp, guess I don’t have anything else to say here
steel raptor
does that mean prov and DoG are no longer required for progression?
zenith hazel
they aren’t, but why would you wanna kill yharon with pre-prov gear?
radiant meadow
you still need to beat dog if you wanna fight scal
zenith hazel
even then, silva armor vs scal lole
radiant meadow
silva requires cosmilite, doesn't it?
zenith hazel
yeah iirc
steel raptor
technically you could kill polter pre-prov and use that gear to get yharon's phase one weapons
zenith hazel
draedon’s forge too, to an extent
steel raptor
because phantom spirits spawn as soon as ml gets killed
radiant meadow
(also, are we suggesting anything in this chat about suggestions?)
ashen warren
lore item NPC sounds good, I'd add it to an existing npc but not sure if there would be enough inventory room
but yeah if you trash them they're gone for good
worldly saffron
I almost added this part to the suggestion:
Alternative: Make an existing NPC sell them
but didn't because of the rating system
ashen warren
oh yeah
sounds like a good idea though
exclamation mark is not the opposite of star, it just signals that a staff member hasn't reviewed the suggestion yet, no reason to react with it.
worldly saffron
lol yeah
hollow shell
not sure what "it would be like NPCs selling boss summons" means
zealous ridge
convienience thing that involves bosses, i guess
whether it be getting a lore item you accidentally trashed or otherwise
karmic stone
Like how Wizard sells Cryo Keys after Cryogen is defeated, and how SPunker sells all summons for the Mechs methinks
Actually, why not have the NPCs that sell "summon from [x]" also sell the Lore Item from [x] boss?
@tall furnace
Already planned afaik
tall furnace
That’s why I deleted it
hollow shell
Reason why? @tall furnace
tall furnace
The deleted message or the the sulphuric water bottles?
hollow shell
Sulphuric water
civic pond
sounds like another crafting material
tall furnace
Could be a crafting material for maybe a sulphuric water cannon?
hollow shell
The weapon that drops from Maulers?
zealous ridge
honestly i see more opportunity for potion brewing
civic pond
uhuh.
hollow shell
m.
Be sure to edit your reason (whatever it is) into the suggestion.
tall furnace
Upgrade to combing alchemy station and imbuing station to add more potions?
worldly saffron
Trippy
tall furnace
K
worldly saffron
You see the world for what it truly is
zealous ridge
how would people feel about an eclipse's fall buff? do you guys think it's in a good state currently, or should it get some help?
tall furnace
It’s ok
heady comet
(a recipient is a person or thing that is receives something)
hollow shell
oh boy
Be sure to add a reason why for this suggestion as well, Frosty
This one needs an especially good reason.
(and don't begin suggestions with "Also". They should be able to stand on their own)
@tall furnace
tall furnace
👍
hollow idol
how would gathering sulphuric water even work
heady comet
straw
hollow shell
Hold Empty Bottle
Stand near water
Code checks if you're in the Sulphur Sea
Changes recipe from Bottled Water to Bottled Sulphuric Water
hollow idol
ah
hollow shell
That's one possibility
tall furnace
Or add a new form of material from the abyss to combine with water
zenith hazel
@torpid sky you mean resprite?
tall furnace
Void black
zenith hazel
afaik, yharon and scal will get resprites eventually
heady comet
bruh
zenith hazel
no idea if signus is gonna get one
torpid sky
Ok...
hollow idol
Signus looks fine as is imo
zenith hazel
depends if anyone's willing to make a good sprite for it and animate it
hollow shell
m
Resprites take a lot of time n' effort
Yharon's has been in progress for over a year, I think
hollow idol
also birb will be getting a resprite when Yharon does. I also heard polter is in the works
and of course levi and siren
tall furnace
When scal gets a respite what will happen to regular calamitas?
hollow shell
We'll see when we get there, it's a ways off
I think that Calamitas will get a similar resprite, though
torpid sky
Yeah...
tall furnace
Also if anything should get a resolute it should be aquatic scourge
devout seal
a signus resprite is going to take ages.
hollow shell
AS doesn't look that bad
devout seal
since he's got fabric, and that's one of the most complicated materials.
tall furnace
I just want it to look more sulphuric
devout seal
Why?
it isn't originally from the biome.
hollow idol
well AS was intended as a DS resprite
torpid sky
But are you gonna resprite 3 Profaned Guardian and the Providence?
devout seal
Providence don't need it.
hollow idol
Providence definitely doesnt need one
devout seal
Two of the guardians however, at-least imo, do.
hollow shell
Oh yeah Guardians and Providence absolutely do not need that
tall furnace
Providence is cool
torpid sky
Ok but what about Storm weaver?
hollow shell
Are you just running through every boss
devout seal
it's getting one.
zenith hazel
how does one make something more sulphuric
hollow idol
I do feel Storm Weaver could use a more unique design, they kindof look generic rn
hollow shell
Things should get resprites cuz they need em, not because they... exist
tall furnace
Brimstone elemental could use a small respite
zenith hazel
she is getting one eventually
devout seal
and SW's got a WIP one anyway.
'long with yharon and levi, and theoretically polter.
IIRC, we've also been told that a bumblebirb resprite's already done, just need yharon t'be done first.
tall furnace
Crabulon is a bit T H I C C
devout seal
there's little issue with his sprite, though.
are you just complaining about sprites because you want to complain about sprites?
tall furnace
Honestly a little
torpid sky
Also can you resprite Astrum Deus, it looks like im being thanos snapped
tall furnace
But I think that they could use minor respires
devout seal
I tried, didn't take.
hollow idol
wh
devout seal
I think he's saying it looks a bit too thin, maybe?
tall furnace
Worm bosses are supposed to be thin though
hollow idol
tell that to DS
tall furnace
He’s chunky
hollow shell
And Astrum Deus is about as thick as the Destroyer if not a bit thicker
so
probably not that
devout seal
he's only a small bit thicker.
believe me, i made my own deus using the dimensions of the first.
he ain't much bigger.
hollow idol
if anything, Deus should look a bit more divine
tall furnace
Also the main ad should look a bit different
hollow shell
Potentially.
tall furnace
Also slime god is just boring looking
hollow idol
its slime
devout seal
Low priority, ig.
tall furnace
I’d say maybe a shadow orb in the ebonian slime and and a crimson heart in the crimulan slime
quick ice
it would also be nice if the Sentinels didn't all use the Doggos palette (Or a palette using the same basic colors)
devout seal
That's kinda the point, though.
the sentinels are all things that are kinda.. 'bound' to DoG.
why would they not use a related color palette?
quick ice
it might just be me, but the sentinels feel bland since they all use such a similar palette to each other and the Doggo
devout seal
CV is DoG's creation.
SW is the last remaining juvenile of his species.
Signus is an assasain that he contracted.
hollow idol
storm weaver is one of Dog's species
Signus is from the void so of course its going to use purples
and ceaseless uses metal that was probably used for DoG to contain it
quick ice
Ceaseless makes sense, Storm Weaver and Signus could change
Storm Weaver has a different armor entirely and is very different than the Doggo considering it's eaten far fewer powerful entities, while Signus true form is the only part from the void
devout seal
But, and i'm very sorry for minimodding..
we are very far removed from the topic of suggesting things, but if you guys want to continue talking about art, i suggest you to go to the art server.
quick ice
true, back to suggesting things
hollow saffron
@torpid sky that has to do with the calamity art server
also resprites can take a super long time(look at the new yharon resprite)
and really "it looks good so everything else needs a resprite" is a bad reason
@tall furnace i would suggest you add reasons to your suggs too
gusty geode
About that sulphur water idea
There is a way to do it without having to worry about new liquids
hollow idol
the proposition is just an item form I think
gusty geode
Basically
Use bucket on water
Check what biome the player is in
If biome is Sulphur Sea
Give sulphur water instead of regular water
tepid root
...thats what rover said lol
hollow saffron
^
also it still brings up the question of if it is placeable
and what using normal water would do
so yes you would have to worry about new liquids if youre using buckets
with bottles that issue isnt there
also if sulphur water is added it could damage the player if they drink it
void kelp
i feel like the food recipe thing is close to a specific item sugma
hollow idol
recipient not recipe smh
hollow saffron
cooking recipient
cooking is a verb, meaning "to cook"(he's cooking pasta) or "to be cooked"(it's cooking on the stove now)
so that sugg is technically saying "add more recipients of cooking" which is basically saying "we need to serve food to more people" or "we need to cook more items"
which brings into question how ramen or lasagna would add in more buffs
food isnt an essential item in terraria(unlike in minecraft where you can literally starve to death if you dont have a regeneration beacon) so adding in more food 'just for the sake of it' wouldn't really help
well fed is an overused buff when it comes to food, literally every food has it making it the saturation bar of terraria
so we would need original buffs
however something as mundane/common as ramen or lasagna doesnt seem like it could be able to give a unique and interesting buff
for example: all foods in minecraft restore hunger and saturation(which allows you to regen), but golden/notch apples give the player regeneration and absorption(extra hearts that are counted in a seperate meter from the normal healthbar), and notch apples also give fire resistance and resistance(makes you take less damage). if we're going to be adding in unique food items i would suggest making items that are unique(like hadal stew/cirrus' drinks) instead of just more well fed items.
thanks for coming to my TED talk, bye.
hollow shell
@ashen warren That's a specific item suggestion. These kinds of suggestions are not allowed.
(even if they were allowed it'd be better to put it in a google doc than a txt so that people don't have to download anything to view it)
zenith hazel
also, if you're going to make a doc, use google docs instead
hollow shell
Also, it looks like you want it to have scaling too
which is another disallowed thing
Check the pins and read the Suggestion Don'ts doc
simple hamlet
I like the sulfur water idea, because yeeting sulfur flask sounds like a great idea
Also, sprites are gradually designed and sometimes redesigned. If someone thinks something needs a resprite, it will be resprited
Head to the art server if you would like to vote on new sprite changes, all though final say is left to the devs
heady comet
no we're here to drink sulphuric acid
hollow saffron
mmm yes
deft jasper
sigh
topaz bramble
"Resprite all the bosses"
first off
not the right people
second off
contrary to well ok kind of everyone's popular opinion, we actually do have lives
deft jasper
You don’t just request for bosses to be resprited
topaz bramble
in the real world you resprite a boss and hope to god it gets in lul
deft jasper
That’s not how it works
People look for things to remake and sometimes it turns out to be a boss
topaz bramble
also
deft jasper
And sometimes it’s accepted
deft jasper
That’s what happened when I made CV
topaz bramble
or original content
deft jasper
And I’m sure that’s what happens with others
topaz bramble
Basically
please stop suggesting stuff like this, it's annoying and kind of ungrateful when you really think about it
ok goodbye, back to lurking on the art server
my GOD another one
frail mantle
tl;dr Things get resprites when people resprite them, so please don't suggest things like "Resprite this boss".
deft jasper
just dm me the suggestions I’m joking
topaz bramble
But are you? Are you really?
also
if you want to contribute to calamity mod
learn how to sprite, code, make music, ect
don't ask other people to do work for you, do it yourself
deft jasper
not really
topaz bramble
omegalul
for real though, please don't do that, there are even pins saying specifically NOT to do this
read them
it'll be better for everyone
teal ibex
@tawny wind scal's human form is already a planned change for future content and is going to encompass the entire fight, not just the ending
topaz bramble
LUUUUUUUUUUUUL
tawny wind
Nice
topaz bramble
AMAZING SUGGESTION
BRAVO
WONDERFUL
And after I went on that whole rant about this
look
it's not a bad idea
and don't get me wrong I'd like to see it happen in a dream world
however
you literally keep making these suggestions that are
explicetly banned and quite frankly, ridiculous to ask the devs to do on a whim
you're not even providing any good reasons for them
I can understand why you'd jump to this stuff at first, having the power to make yourself heard is well... empowering
but from now on, don't suggest massive changes like this
and if you do, make sure it has a good reason like behind it
sorry if I came off as harsh by the way, I've just been seeing this happen... a lot recently, and as someone who sinks time into game development related stuff, it's pretty annoying to see people making these huge demands as if it doesn't have any cost
teal ibex
honestly a very clever solution to a very infuriating problem
topaz bramble
That people forget exists
Yikes, 5 !'d suggestions in a row
uhhhh
that's not epic
tepid root
pallid crag
Is it possible to make Cosmic Plushie as a drop for Iron Heart instead of hardcore?
hoary hinge
i mean it's not hard to just make a hardcore character and open the bag on them to get it so it's really just a meme that it drops in hardcore only
pallid crag
That's cheating
zenith hazel
it's a sandbox game
void kelp
- it’s a dedicated item or smth
sand umbra
That's cheating
with all due respect
cheating is a completely irrelevant argument
this is Terraria we're talking about, it's a sandbox game
nobody actually gives two fucks if you """cheat""" or not
sand umbra
good! you go do that, then!
zenith hazel
doesn't really mean you have to enforce that on other players though
distant gyro
if you want to obtain an item legit then good for you
zenith hazel
they can play the game however they want
distant gyro
pallid crag
Well, I'm not trying to enforce anything
sand umbra
there's progression to follow, sure, but in the end it's still designed as and will remain a singleplayer-focused game
there is no massive multiplayer meta to think about, especially not with how much of a shitfest Terraria netcode
let people play the goddamn game how they please, it's a SINGLEPLAYER game
zenith hazel
you're trying to force players to use iron heart to get a cosmic plushie
sand umbra
and literally nobody uses iron heart in the first place
zenith hazel
letting players create a new character with hardcore to open the bag is already enough leeway as it is
pallid crag
Wouldn't that be the same principle as hardcore?
sand umbra
being the same principle as hardcore is the exact reason there would still be nobody, or at least very few people, who'd want to get it legit
hoary hinge
Static Hook is already the hook with the highest velocity in the game so it's already the best for "latching on and getting wing flight back then immediately releasing"
sand umbra
it's a Death Mode drop from the fucking Devourer of Gods with a Hardcore char
also, as much as I love Static Hook
there is no reason whatsoever to have an upgrade for it
distant gyro
thing with iron heart is that
no one really wants to die permanently
if they really want to take the extra mile, they'd be masochistic enough to choose hardcore mode
tepid root
has anyone even got cosmic plushie legit yet lol
hoary hinge
yeah i'm pretty sure someone has
tepid root
pallid crag
🤔
tired haven
Tbh I choose hardcore instead of iron heart because as bs as generic exploration can be, it feels wrong to be excused for permadeath
i say that as giant squid 3-shot me through bugged hitboxes
Yet still
sand umbra
colossal squid makes you rethink your decision in 2.5 seconds
tepid root
tired haven
More like 1.7
Another thing that may affect the choosing of iron heart is that "it's hardcore but easier"
Not cool enough to try and boast it, too masochistic to try by regular auditory
pallid crag
🤔
radiant meadow
the point of iron heart was a major chunk of hardcore's difficulty but removing shit like boulder trap deaths iirc
tired haven
Yeah, I noted that
But for some reason it does not feel right
hoary hinge
still feel Iron Heart should be called Heart of Iron so HI DAD mode can be a thing
tired haven
Maybe because terraria is based on shit deaths, and they don't go away fully by restricting that to bosses only, mainly because bosses can still spawn naturally, especially in deathmode
I don't bash the iron heart btw, just trying to highlight concepts that may lead it to being as neglected as it is right now
worldly saffron
@hoary hinge Bat Hook
tepid root
bat hook upgrade
tepid root
bat hook has the highest pull speed, static has the highest velocity, i think
queen sail
Bat hook upgrade would probably make nohitters nut
That thing is a lifesaver in during early prehm boss fights
hoary hinge
Bathroom has highest pull in speed but third highest velocity iirc
Bathroom? Lol I meant bad hook
Bat hook!
Come on AutoCorrect really
tepid root
lunar hook has the second highest velocity iirc but its pull speed is shit
anyways this is #suggestions-discussion 
hollow shell
@echo crystal Can you elaborate on what you mean in your suggestion?
And, why that's an issue?
radiant meadow
maybe they want items you pick up to not default to the hotbar
but that doesn't sound like something Calamity needs to tamper with
queen sail
I don’t even get what the sugg means tbh
hollow shell
I assume it's that he doesn't want picked up items to go into the hotbar
But that's a really minor and easily mitigated issue
ashen warren
have you ever wasted a boss summon because you left armageddon on
queen sail
Insert blue check here
queen sail
Go code it in rover
tired haven
Tbh how about a mild vignette (or w/e) effect for armageddon?
I may even try to find an example of such
upper tartan
i made a cool voidstone arena but there arent any dark blue campfires
hollow shell
A shader could work, but it'd exclude anyone playin without White/Color
No lol I mean "basin" is the word for "campfire" when referring to Calamtiy furniture sets
upper tartan
oh oops
tired haven
The deep violet border on screen is the thing
yeah it's hatty time 
Doesn't have to be that exact color either, obviously
(Excuse the black borders, my phone has a bit weird screen ratio)
hollow shell
Yeah, could work
But, again
Can't have (/ don't want?) shaders on lower lighting qualities
Just some icon somewhere on the screen is fine
tired haven
Probably could be near adrenaline bar then, dunno
tepid root
health could maybe have a purple tint
tired haven
Or that
Though might have to be a different texture rather than a color to not be miscounted for health upgrade
tepid root
hollow saffron
honestly i feel like armageddon could visibly show by making your hearts dark red or smth
like the iron heart effect but with bright red and mahogany
echo crystal
lets say your fighting a boss, and you notice you run low on health, and out of literally no where a mushroom appears in your inventory and when you press your heal button, it consumes the mushroom, ruining your bossfight. sorry i took long to respond.
this is for my suggestion
and also this has happened multiple times to me and it gets very annoying, especially when you get close to beating a boss
versed mica
If you have health potions in your inventory they take priority
echo crystal
but the mushroom is in your hotbar and not the potions
so it consumes the mushroom instead of the potion
tepid root
the game takes priority over the highest healing item in your inventory iirc
karmic stone
Pots still take priority iirc
versed mica
No
frail mantle
what Potato said
versed mica
Unless you ran out of pots it uses pots
tepid root
also auto trash exists too
frail mantle
if you have normal healing potions in your inventory, it won't consume mushrooms instead
echo crystal
i also want this because my hotbar gets messy especially when im doing like a playthrough that im only using one weapon at once and my hotbar gets filled with random stuff that i dont need
karmic stone
Autotrash
echo crystal
did chippyscouch use auto trash in his modded yoyo playthrough because i never saw random items pop into his hotbar
wait
yeah he didnt use autotrash and random items didnt get into his hotbar
tepid root
lol
radiant pivot
I always have like, certain items I keep in the hotbar at all times, just for convenience sake
So I usually never encounter random items popping up into the hotbar
pallid crag
Yep
versed mica
If you have mushrooms popping up in your hot bar and you are eating them there is a whole different problem
hollow saffron
my hotbar is always full anyways
also you know you can rearrange your inventory/trash the unneeded items, right...?
ashen warren
Thoughts on making spiky balls a rogue weapon?
radiant meadow
we're not going to make vanilla weapons deal rogue dmg
ashen warren
ok
distant gyro
reminder to read the pins
queen sail
They’re gonna succumb to ranger memes anyways
As if that class already didn’t have enough crutch
radiant meadow
Ichor spear is a terrible weapon just for debuffing
it only inflicts ichor for 2 seconds
and then you could just use flask of ichor
distant gyro
Ichor Spear is smelly imo but people mention it because idk why
tired haven
Well, before flasks could affect rogue weapons it did work as mild debuff for adrenaline and stuff, but now, well...
(still, corruption riv could be neat)
distant gyro
2 seconds moment
hollow shell
@echo crystal That's decent reasoning.
Edit it into your suggestion
mortal marten
kelvin catalyst, fire counterpart
fire counterpart crafted post moonlord
combined together post yharon/scal
tired haven
Photoviscerator 
radiant meadow
why
distant gyro
kelvin catalyst's fiery counterpart is drat
subtle orchid
you're not wrong
mortal marten
actually yeah
crimson scarab
overpowered accessories yes
mortal marten
i killed 450+ planteras before i got the blossum flux
sacred current
make music mods client side
ashen warren
ok i worded that badly
queen delta
Pretty sure all summons that do contact damage do this
hollow saffron
kelvin catalyst but it has a plague/brimstone variant
combine with drat and its variants to make a true elemental weapon
queen sail
Heavenly ExoKelvin of the Cosmic Vortex
hollow saffron
such power cannot be granted to a mortal like you - xeroc
runic heath
killed 450 plantera for blossom flux
Defiled rune is your friend
hollow shell
@karmic quiver Can you add a reason to your suggestion?
karmic quiver
why'
void kelp
because without a reason, there’s no support for your idea?
hollow shell
surprisingly, that's a new one
never heard somebody ask why a suggestion would need a reason behind it
karmic quiver
touche
void kelp
we see something new every day
hollow shell
But, yeah
Why should Calamity do that, what's the motivation? How would it benefit the mod? etc
karmic quiver
added
hollow shell
Eh sure that's fine
Rage & Adren aren't an inherent increase in difficulty
In fact they make things easier, more tools to increase your damage to help you handle Rev better
karmic quiver
would it be too easy if they were in normal and expert
also i wasn't saying they increase it
hollow shell
Yeah ik I'm supporting your point
karmic quiver
i was saying they only activate in that increased difficulty
void kelp
I’ve always seen it as an equalizer for difficulty in rev+
hollow shell
They would make Normal and Expert easier, yes
but that's why they'd probably be put behind a config, nothing outright available like a Starter Bag item
It's there if you want it
void kelp
but having it be a config would be good
karmic quiver
is it in a config already and i'm just not seeing it?
hollow shell
There is a config to disable Rage & Adren in Revengeance, but not a config to enable it outside of Revengeance
karmic quiver
ok
ashen warren
is it a good idea to suggest a reforge that's a tier higher than unreal for weapons that consumes ammo and that reforge would be infinity? so you'd just need one ammo
it'd just be a cool thing to get if you're lucky in pre HM
hollow shell
Don't we have Endless Musket Pouch / Endless Quiver for that?
zealous ridge
Well, this one suggests a pre hardmode variant of that in the form of reforges
sand umbra
...I don't like this
ashen warren
ofc it wont have unreal buffs + infinity
hollow shell
If you can add some solid reasoning to that suggestion then you could suggest it
I personally don't think it's a very good idea though
sand umbra
like, I really am not a fan of this
simple hamlet
Yeah that's OP As HFIL
zealous ridge
Kind of eliminates the biggest “drawback” of ranger at no downside
It’s like the unlimited mana accessories from luiafk
karmic stone
Ranger runs always mean having to sacrifice a decent fraction of your materials for ammo
zealous ridge
no
karmic stone
Taking it out with no drawbacks whatsoever is
zealous ridge
There is kind of a drawback, being forced to spend exorbitant amounts of money
But that’s negligible
Because it’s random chance anyways
And money is easy to come by on higher difficulties especially when boss grinding
zealous ridge
That consumes ammo at least
ashen warren
spending a fuck ton of money is required though
zealous ridge
So what?
I said already that it’s a negligible problem
Boss grinding, random chance
If you really want to you will get that op reforge
ashen warren
what if we crank it down to 50% less ammo consumption then?
hollow shell
Having RNG dictate something like that is a bad idea in my eyes.
ashen warren
or less
hollow shell
Yeah that'd be preferable
simple hamlet
That's much better
radiant meadow
is there a need to add reforges to non-rogue weapons though?
ashen warren
not really but it could be interesting
zealous ridge
Would certainly be interesting, but joost already does stuff like that so it may be the case that calamity doesn’t need to really
ashen warren
fair
queen delta
Changes to Underworld Shrine and Murasama
As of right now, Murasama is obtainable anytime, but cannot be used until Yharon is defeated. However, at that point, it's useless because it's true melee, doesn't shoot anything, and there's only one boss left: Supreme Calamitas. Due to the way she moves, anything true melee is useless. Changes are needed so this totally-obsolete weapon isn't so obsolete anymore. First, the underworld shrine. It's always located on the far right side of the underworld, not so random compared to other shrines. It also holds a powerful(?) weapon, but can be unlocked anytime. Therefore, I suggest to make the Underworld shrine spawn in a more random location, and have it only be opened with a shadow key. Murasama is ineffective against SCal, so why not move it elsewhere in the game? My suggestion is to move it to post-Skeletron tier (and usable), and buff it post-Wall of Flesh and again post-Moon Lord. This'll keep this special shrine weapon more relevant throughout the game.
ashen warren
is that a mf scaling legendary
vocal grotto
You saw how annoying scaling was in test hq
hollow shell
You can't suggest anything scaling, it's in the Don'ts
ashen warren
cant believe we have to eviscerate yat now 
hollow shell
These ideas were decent
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/627351291823128577
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/621216176474685450
(the latter of which hasn't been delivered. go vote it so it can be delivered)
Common ground:
Move it to post-DoG instead of post-Yharon, cuz you can at least kinda use it on Yharon, which can't necessarily be said for SCal
queen delta
Haven't been in test hq for a while but now that I see it
yeah looks annoying
But honestly I don't think murasama would do well post-DoG either
oak meteor
Test HQ?
queen delta
Beta tester's headquarters
vocal grotto
Wait, I'm an idiot. I mistoke you for Brav
worldly saffron
Eh, it's a logical cosmetic change
take my star
and most likely gonna be implemented already
if it's not already in and I just haven't noticed
hollow shell
Well the thing is, the Sky Glaze and armor feathers stick to tiles and are known as "StickyFeather" in the source
which is why they apparently look "slimier"
whereas I'm pretty sure Galeforce's do not stick
... it'll probably get in for consistency anyhow
oh fuck that's a typo of "similar"
Just a coincidence
sterile moon
fixed similar rover
radiant meadow
galeforce is called LargeFeather iirc
queen delta
What if Murasama was normal true melee weapon post-Skeletron but gained a new attack or started shooting stuff post-certain boss?
Like, post-WoF
zealous ridge
I’d still say that’s iffy, I didn’t like amidas trident for that very reason
queen delta
No damage increase, just new attack
ashen warren
I just want to say thank you to everyone who's voted on my suggestion
cobalt rose
Decrease the drop chance of the Titan Arm from Atlases.
Considering that you have to kill 3 Atlases in order to summon Astrum Deus, you're going to end up collecting a ton of this weapon if you keep failing, given the fact it has a 100% chance to drop. Decreasing the drop chance would lead to less clutter, and weapons like this shouldn't be dropped so often.
hows this suggestion look
hollow shell
That's fine
teal ibex
@hollow shell sorry for the ping but had a question, have been considering suggesting a fishing-style alternative to life crystals. is that too specific item-y or would that fly?
hollow shell
Like how we have the one for Mana Stars already?
teal ibex
pretty exactly that yeah
hollow shell
You can post something like that, ye.
As long as you don't give it a name or like, exact catch probabilities or w/e
teal ibex
perfect
hollow shell
Though, this does exist
hollow shell
Can occasionally hook up a Fishbones grab bag item, which just gives you a bunch of Bone
and rarely Bone Sword
queen sail
Has to be obtained specifically in a way that makes it post skele
Bc making it a regular catch means big meme
queen sail
teal ibex
in the dungeon
hollow shell
Could simply be a post-Skeletron catch
teal ibex
i actually already know C++ so i could
queen sail
Hec please add
teal ibex
i just don't quite have the time atm
hollow shell
Oh it'd be a perfect catch for the Sulphur Sea
teal ibex
i would absolutely devote multiple hours of my time to creating enough fishing content for a full playthrough if i was given the opportunity in a month or two
teal ibex
literally my dream
i want to be able to complete an entire playthrough of calamity without ever using a pickaxe
queen sail
That sounds like a meme
teal ibex
which is why i already have a second suggestion in mind for later
signal prairie
You can bomb life crystals iirc ngl tbh
teal ibex
bombfish
queen sail
Psst hectique download fish anything mod
hollow shell
is that a mod
teal ibex
it's really really good
teal ibex
soul edge preboss yes
teal ibex
VERY true.
but yeah in like 15m i'm gonna suggest chlorophyte in jungle crates because most demanded ore is unobtainable in fishing
signal prairie
either crates or a drop from plantera
wydm, AEW can't spawn pre-boss cause no way to force him to spawn
teal ibex
both seems good but i'm only gonna suggest crates since dropping from plant is quite different
hollow shell
You're right.
He's post-BoC.
signal prairie
So Soul Edge is post-BoC technically
hollow shell
mhm
signal prairie
Real talk though, how would you force him to spawn if the RoD effect is in the Crimson only?
hollow shell
Create artificial Crimson next to the Abyss
Teleport into the Abyss
signal prairie
Fair
oak meteor
hequtique popping off with all the fishing stuff
teal ibex
yeah it's kinda funny LOL
it's also partially my fault because i gave ben a list of calamity mats and didn't even consider the vanilla stuff
distant gyro
smH
queen delta
Make life crystal fishing alternative only caught underground 
teal ibex
that's fine tbh
it's just the one thing that really stands out as a thing that should exist for fishing
teal ibex
that's the plan if i ever get dev
radiant pivot
I'd love that
distant gyro
You can probably beat dog with only fishing equip
hollow shell
Instead of fighting Yharon, you fight against RNG
0.001% chance to fish up Yharon Soul Fragments and Auric Ore
teal ibex
y e s.
fierce mulch
Ah yes
crystal osprey
Hectique demands fishing balance. N O W
oak meteor
hequtique is getting to the point where he can get enough gear to do EoC with just fishing gear
if the suggeations go through
distant gyro
you can already do eoc fishing only
heady comet
In deathmode you just fish up the bosses instead of having random spawns
teal ibex
excluding like, life crystals pretty much all of prehardmode is doable. laserfish is sick, yo
zenith hazel
it's not like the OOA sets or ataxia/astral exist or anything
quiet abyss
@austere lion You do realize that post-golem you have OOA armor set, ataxia and astral armor as options, right?
And for post-plantera, apart from spooky armor you have tiki armor and reaver armor.
austere lion
but spooky is better than all of them
quiet abyss
? Not really?
Spooky does have a lot of minion slots compared to other armors, yes, but the other armors do also have their own bonuses that allow them to fare just as good if not better than spooky.
oak meteor
What does OOA mean
quiet abyss
Old One's Army
zenith hazel
old one's army
oak meteor
oh
quiet abyss
Additionally, by all accounts "Using spooky armor until post moon lord is boring" is a really weak reason for this suggestion and will likely not win you any points.
"To allow for more variety" would have worked, but again you have access to 3+ more armors in post-golem so that's also not a very valid reason either.
oak meteor
while on topic should friend use tiki or ataxia
quiet abyss
^
oak meteor
i know
oak meteor
that stuff hard to get for someone whos summon
austere lion
but it's focused more on sentries
zenith hazel
but this is not the channel to ask for help either, so move over there please
quiet abyss
Yes it does, but have you seen the power of ravager's sentry item?
zenith hazel
also yes, spikecrag staff is very powerful
austere lion
but what about pre-ravager
zenith hazel
it's so powerful that deus has a 50% damage resistance to it
quiet abyss
Pre-ravager, you have hive pod
zenith hazel
valhalla knight + hive pods/dreadmines
austere lion
It's defender sub class
zenith hazel
what?
quiet abyss
...What? There's no such sub class as "Defender"
Regular summons and sentries both belong to "Summoner"
Summoner has no subclass of its own.
austere lion
Defender is a subclass
ruby cobalt
🤡 moment
bitter topaz
it, really, really isn't
quiet abyss
No, it is not.
zenith hazel
what even is a defender?
quiet abyss
If anything the name "defender" sounds more fitting for a melee subclass than a summoner subclass.
zenith hazel
are you referring to the OOA stuff as a "defender subclass" because defender medals?
quiet abyss
^
austere lion
yes
zenith hazel
then it's not a subclass
distant gyro
who even calls them that
zenith hazel
it does relatively the same thing as other regular summoner weapons/sentries
quiet abyss
A subclass is a class of weapons.
A class of weapons that is expanded throughout a majority of the game, or atleast a fairly decent portion.
Defender stuffs are not their own sub class. They're a mix of summoner with more focus on sentries and other classes.
bitter topaz
...
the currency is referred to as "defender medals", as that's the currency from the original game that the OOA stuff is a crossover with
zenith hazel
but still, what does this "subclass" have to do with the point you're trying to make?
bitter topaz
^
subclasses are literally just categories of weapons
they mean nothing outside of self-imposed challenges and grouping weapons
foggy grove
Afaik the only subclasses that matter outside of self imposed challenges are ranged subclasses when dealing with shroomite armor
bitter topaz
oh yea shroomite exists
zenith hazel
yeah but inherently, summoner doesn’t really have subclasses
distant gyro
technically rogue subclasses and invis potion
foggy grove
Well there's sentries, then minions
But I dont think anything in the game affects them differently
foggy grove
worldly saffron
You can have Melee subclasses as well, but they're usually just choosing to only use 1 type of weapon, not choosing entirely different armors
Guy with a sword, Guy with a yoyo, etc.
tired haven
Melee and its' subclasses deserve a separate soap opera
Anyway, thing about summoner "subclasses" is that you can use both minions and sentries effectively together (almost doubling your perfomance) unlike other classes that are bound to using 1 weapon at time
Not using one or another on somewhat weakest class is a huge mistake
worthy fiber
Pure sentries only exists when the sentries are broken
worldly saffron
@dim kestrel or buff the extra mana it gives too throughout progression
dim kestrel
I'm not sure what could be done to really salavge the arcane affix, since extra mana still won't be much of an upgrade compared to +4% damage or 3% crit
Adding even more mana won't be that attractive, since at end game you'll have 400 mana, a near infinite supply of mana potions, etc etc
Mana feels less and less relevant the further you progress through the game
worldly saffron
I just like seeing how much Mana I can fit into the tiny human before it explodes
distant gyro
Reduces mana cost
dim kestrel
example, early in the game if you're running a mage setup you're gonna be pretty hyped about +20 mana because
1 - you don't have max mana yet
2 - rolling for 4% damage is barely any good because your weapon deals like 20 damage, and 4% is a nearly unnoticeable difference
oak meteor
i just relized that if @teal ibex suggestion gets added early game will be so much more fun as you can fish for health crystals and crabpots and stuff
dim kestrel
well it should really only be obtainable after the requirements for its generation are met
oak meteor
who you talking to?
dim kestrel
Oh you mean the health crystal one
dim kestrel
That's why I was a little bit concerned
oak meteor
off course it would be made only after you can mine it justblike how hardmode starts and you get ore from crates
quartz hare
tired haven
Tbh I'm mildly against removing the 2nd part of caves exploration with fishing, but eh, going into caves for 2 hours just to max out hp isn't great either
carmine stream
i just use cheat sheet because fuck pre-boss
sand umbra
I mean, at least with fishing as a setup being added, you can gain options as to how you wanna spend your 2 hours getting essential starter materials
tepid root
sand umbra
tbf, always wondered why Jungle Crates don't drop Chlorophyte after e.g. Pickaxe Axe/Drax can be obtained or all three Mechs are downed
post-all-Mechs especially because in vanilla that's the necessary req to even get Chlorophyte in the first place
sand umbra
that'd be a good move
tired haven
That they do, ye
sand umbra
and they already drop Cursed Flames/Ichor and Souls of Night in Hardmode, ye
tepid root
why no bars then 
tired haven
(for the mod which initial theme was brimstone fire and destruction, calamity has quite a lot of water)
just noticed
tired haven
2 water biomes out of 4 custom, now also fishing
tepid root
wack
tired haven
slurp slurp
distant gyro
slurp pol
tepid root
eat lava
tired haven
Really, all we need is fishing pole that can fish when you are submerged in liquid so abyss fishing is a thing
pallid crag
Why not just add other ways to fish? Implying that that is possible
sand umbra
I've had this kinda plan before and want to implement it
tepid root
new liquids, suffer in code
pallid crag
Throw dynamite into ocean and fish comes to the surface
sand umbra
but I have no idea how viable getting a pole to properly fish while submerged is
void kelp
imagine diving down into the abyss with a fishing net
dim kestrel
you can get evil bars pre eater/brain tho since the ores do spawn anturally
sand umbra
...that's not the point
dim kestrel
talking in regards to making evil crates drop evil bars
sand umbra
I know.
The only way to get appreciable/usable amounts of them is to fight EoC or EoW/BoC.
dim kestrel
someone said post EoW/BoC 
distant gyro
dim kestrel
well, duping 
sand umbra
Wouldn't it, then, make sense to have evil crates drop bars after those lot are downed
.
duping is never
and I mean NEVER
a feasible argument
dim kestrel
But yeah I get what you mean
A non taxing, easy to do and near afk method to get stuffs, I'm on board with that
Most of the times I only use crates for hardmode ores to acquire the ones my world did not generate...
hollow shell
@fervent citrus You're going to need a much better reason for your voodoo doll suggestion, because your current reason has zero substance.
fervent citrus
oh, ok
hollow shell
It doesn't "make sense", because both of the current dolls are used for summoning bosses
dim kestrel
For now only guide and clothier had voodoo dolls for this long due to them being needed as "summons" for bosses, the other NPCs don't need to be killed to summon bosses as well
ashen warren
Thoughts on making the guide spawn immediately after WoF is killed or despawns so farming is less tedious?
hollow shell
Usually doesn't take long as long as it's morning but, different story if it's night.
Sounds valid.
quartz hare
hollow shell
indeed
calm temple
Some people wouldn’t like that
At least with the nazar people would have a choice in that regard
sand umbra
right, because people like a pre-Hardmode boss inflicting fucking DISTORTED AND CURSED when neither debuff is ever inflicted in a boss fight normally
(the only exception is Expert BoC, and it's an extremely low chance)
you shouldn't have to pack a fucking Nazar to stand a chance in the first place
hollow shell
Don't get hit 8head
calm temple
Most classes can just equip every speed boost possibly available and outrun the boss
distant gyro
Slime God is hard because debuffs
calm temple
That’s why I mention melee
hollow shell
Those got removed