Did i break a rule or is my suggestion just meh
#suggestions-discussion
mellow bay
radiant meadow
it's not against the rules but the reasoning is kinda weak
thin shale
I think you should add up about the easiness of the Brothers phase
hollow shell
Oh boy changing worldgen
thin shale
It’s going to be a tough job
mellow bay
Better?
foggy grove
Just use jopojelly's world generator 
Already has a feature to remove evil biome from jungle side
karmic stone
Add Yharon's claws as a material
This would either translate to:
-An unnecessary new material that would be added to most of the already existing Yharon Soul recipes
-A material only used for completely new items, which may as well be a specific sugma
Also 4 suggs in less than an hour 
karmic stone
mellow bay
Is the reasoning still weak
karmic stone
See, this actually seems like a neat idea to put emphasis on the fact Clone is a clone of Scal
But if you were to test it in-game
proven tide
@thin shale do you mean calamitas or scal?
thin shale
Calamitas
karmic stone
Most of the Scal fight is fun, but there are a few seconds where SCal charges at you--
thin shale
Clone
karmic stone
o
cobalt rose
not sure how i feel like this, i already died to catastrophe like 5 times before defeating clone after the sixth attempt
thin shale
Well, I said that this doesn’t apply when the Brothers are alive
cobalt rose
i know, but like, the fight doesnt need to be harder imo (or i just need to get better)
thin shale
But her AI would stay the same until the Soul Seekers are dead or when when reaches low health when the seekers are still alive
So the difficult part stays in the end
mellow bay
"Calamitas" can be very ambiguious
thin shale
And also to prevent the usual Adrenaline gain method from dodging Clone’s projectiles since I saw it as a common way to win the battle easily
frail mantle
maybe write Clonelamitas instead cause it's kinda confusing whether you mean Clone or SCal
hollow shell
He did
thin shale
twilit swan
Either way, the SCal fight is supposed to be grindy. Chippy finished a modded yoyo series and he repeatedly got owned by SCal, especially in the Soul Seeker Phase.
karmic stone
Most of the fight comes from the minions Clone spawns rather than Clone herself
thin shale
Exactly
That’s why I’m suggesting in the first place
But if it is too difficult, I would add some things like nerfing the brothers’ stats slightly
twilit swan
Nah that just makes the fight easier, it's supposed to be insanely hard. It's not called a superboss for nothing
thin shale
It has changed
twilit swan
to two?
thin shale
Calamitas now spawns stronger brothers but one at a time
twilit swan
that makes it so much easier though
frail mantle
currently, Clone spawns one Brother, then the other, then both at the same time
thin shale
And at 5% health, she spawns two brothers with the same stats
twilit swan
just learn how to dodge and/or use the Counter Scarf
thin shale
But the brothers are heavily buffed in terms of resistance
potent veldt
My main gripe with Clone is just that Clone herself is a nonthreat
twilit swan
That's true
thin shale
From around 8000 HP to like almost 30000 HP
potent veldt
The instant the brothers or seekers are not there, the boss fight feels pointless
twilit swan
they should be like 14-16K HP each then
thin shale
Exactly
twilit swan
right in the middle - i see your point
twilit swan
That's insane, but you can still fight them Post-Plantera, which does make the fight easier
thin shale
And for the ‘exactly’ answer, I’m referring to Clone being a pointless boss when alone
potent veldt
Yeye
thin shale
You could say that
potent veldt
If the point of the fight is "its clone, not real Cal, so clone is weak" then I get it
But in practice the fight feels very contrived
thin shale
Can relate to that
But the thing is...when Clone is with no one, the fight is just plain Retinazer 2.0
potent veldt
Which is why I kinda want clone to do anything more
thin shale
True
potent veldt
I also do like the bait n switch clone pulls off at the beginning, but its also harmed by the fact Clone barely even changed after that bait n switch
thin shale
Bait n switch?
potent veldt
The first time she heals
potent veldt
She doesnt summon anything, the sky goes black and she changes her attack pattern
To an arguably easier pattern
Which is so weird to me
thin shale
And pretty much the same AI
mellow bay
Clone sucks
thin shale
Can agree
potent veldt
It also doesnt help that Clone's entire fight pre-prov amounts to an extremely weak reward
thin shale
Oh wait...
sand umbra
when you go through a boss fight that is arguably harder than the boss fight after it for all the wrong reasons
and have only Abyss gear to show for it 
potent veldt
When an easier, better boss does the same thing, and more
potent veldt
I just want her to have drops in general
thin shale
And change the AIs of the bosses slightly to be more difficult
sand umbra
Clonamitas' drops and Abyss gear are literally the only advantage to fighting her pre-Plantera in the first place
mellow bay
^
thin shale
Post-Provi buffed boss drops are worthless judging from the tier the player is on
Except for Bloodstone and Brimrose
potent veldt
That too
thin shale
That’s the only significant drop
mellow bay
Blahdston
distant gyro
Bloodflare Core's sole existence is to pair with RTN + Omega Blue honestly 
thin shale
Bloodflare Armor too
distant gyro
Brimrose is the bomb for DoG idk how much now
lost agate
Having clone be threatened down cuz it isnt as big is bleh
distant gyro
Plantera is indeed a thorn
lost agate
Br
sand umbra
mellow bay
But the worse thing is finding a bulb
thin shale
—~Plays a heavy metal version of Plantera’s theme—
mellow bay
Portabulb is amazing
distant gyro
3 hours of digging in vanilla flashbacks
lost agate
3 hours
Pathetic
thin shale
Speaking of which, I’m about to fight Deathmode Plantera with my Rogue character
lost agate
I once had a world that had only one bulb
It was at the edge of the jungle
You can imagine what happened
lost agate
Something about exploring the entire jungle
mellow bay
thin shale
vagrant shore
I would like to add another reason to the oracle suggestion. Look at the terrarian, so much weaker then the oracle, yet so much longer. its supposed to be the BEST yoyo in the game so why so short?
thin shale
Makes total sense
vagrant shore
(yoyo main btw)
thin shale
Plus I died to the brothers phase a lot when fighting Death SCal with the Oracle (Being the masochist I am, I died thanks to my own 10 hitcap).
vagrant shore
Ah so its supposed to be longer, but something went wrong?
distant gyro
Terrarian has the highest range of all yoyos for whatever reason I can't interpret
Even the direct upgrade Azathoth has less range without the balls
thin shale
And the battle is basically ‘trying my best to not get hit by the brothers’ projectiles while trying to push them slightly forward with dashes’.
lost agate
It was supposed to be longer yes
vagrant shore
i feel kinda bad for mentioning the oracle length..... sorry
thin shale
But when the Oracle hits its target, the results were 
vagrant shore
OH yes the thing attacks so fu**ing FAST and so much damage!
thin shale
The yo-yo itself can decimate SCal
radiant pawn
long cord
lost agate
We are in need of more profit to buy a longer string 
tired haven
Time to host charity stream
inb4 the range of Oracle ends up being boosted by a few screens
ashen warren
oracle stretches across 2 monitors 
sand umbra
oracle's range is boosted so much that it reaches into the real world
foggy kindle
Oracle range's buffed hard enough it can reach the future and kill something before it exists
sand umbra
well I mean
hollow shell
The Yoyo that can Kill the Past
Also interesting to note
Ark of the Ancients uses the "Hallow Star" from Holy Arrows and Star Cloak/Veil, rather than Starfury's unique star
radiant meadow
can still set it to not collide with tiles on spawning the projectile
it's a super easy fix
potent veldt
cant even tell if thats a meme suggestion
Either way, it's a specific suggestion kinda
queen delta
@marsh juniper is this a meme suggestion? If not, tell us why it should be a thing
potent veldt
Also, kinda a weird suggestion anyway, since you can capture literally thousands of ducks
marsh juniper
why not
potent veldt
Because
manic pumice
thousand ducks as a pet
potent veldt
Gas, have you read the rules, perchance
Also, "why not" is never a good way to get your suggestion in lol
tired haven
Lava bucket "Am I a joke to you?"
ashen warren
it really is
queen sail
Summoning Lava subclass
tired haven
shame it stops working past KS
~~at least currently you can "summon water on yourself while your friend is in the abyss"
Anyway, well, I think adding that feature just to punch pigs is excessive
sand umbra
actually, shouldn't pigs be targetable by summons anyway
since they have an egregious amount of health
tired haven
Anything else dies from 1-2 shots of marked magnum or is aggroed by summons after that
slate crown
make pigs try to attack you with a 0 dmg attack
ashen warren
I have a suggestion that could very cool and fun, upgrades for the nimbus rod!
Also love the vids crab
oak meteor
YES crabpots got over 90 votes
gusty geode
Ah
Victory
ruby cobalt
Victory. A hollow, and ridiculous notion.
oak meteor
my fishing dream in terraria MAY happen
not only are bugnets in starterbag and crabpota got over 90 votes meaning i cant atart fishing straight away
gusty geode
If any of these make it in
Imma do a fishing challenge on mobile
still cliff
@hollow shell please help me
I had a suggestion with several checker flags on it, which means it is being implemented and it has been accepted by the devs.
I can't find anything on the Calwiki or in the changelogs plz help.
hollow shell
Which one?
wooden wedge
"Add more accessories in early pre-hardmode for ranged.
There are almost no craftable accessories for ranged at this point in time"?
ah nevermind
it wasn't that one
it's the molten armor lava immunity
sand umbra
always wondered why Molten armor doesn't give that in vanilla
it is literally hell armor
wooden wedge
wasn't it from 1.0?
sand umbra
cosmic void
The sprite change idea is pretty neat
sand umbra
it's literally lava-themed armor of a set based entirely around Hellstone which is found in hell
and yet Molten armor never got lava immunity
ok
Red is literally god
karmic stone
Ye just tested it
@still cliff
It's already ingame, ever since .108
The wiki is outdated
wooden wedge
does it say on the actual set anywhere?
karmic stone
Ye, on the set bonus, and it works
wooden wedge
neat
wooden wedge
he just tested it
karmic stone
For a few seconds, yes
karmic stone
Yes
still cliff
Oh hell yes
karmic stone
Was
still cliff
Thx for letting me know
karmic stone
Was that a pun
still cliff
Ok
karmic stone
Necro armor working as a debuffer armor sounds like a good idea considering how fast some of the Ranger weps at that stage are
radiant meadow
I think I gave molten armor lava charm effect as a set bonus
that should be in the public update
wooden wedge
it was just proven that it did
radiant meadow
it also has the obsidian skull effect
signal prairie
And uh, I have the most recent calamity update and the molten armor didn't work
radiant meadow
it most definitely is in the code
signal prairie
Then it's probably a conflicting thing with another mod
Is it an improved charm effect? Like 10 - 14 seconds?
radiant meadow
5 seconds pretty sure
signal prairie
That's not even useful lol, it's just long enough to get out of the lava
Actually
I'mma edit my suggestion
sand umbra
5 seconds for Molten armor is more than fine smh
hollow saffron
when you get pinged 😳
honestly i feel like molten could give permanent fire resistance and could also give 3 seconds of lava resistance when struck by an enemy
(specifically by an enemy so people dont abuse it by standing on a spike)
lost agate
Bruh
lost agate
Thats like absurd for a prehm set
hollow saffron
lol fair
lost agate
Which is as early as post BoC/Eow
hollow saffron
hm, lava resist when struck by an enemy and thats all ig?
sand umbra
or pre-boss if Reaver Shark meme!
lost agate
Mhm
hollow saffron
reaver shark is kinda bruh ngl
also for necro could there be some sort of bonus when used with the calcium potion
hollow shell
@signal prairie Even though Molten Armor already has Lava Charm and Obsidian Skull effects?
signal prairie
It doesn't say that on the Wiki and the Armor set bonus doesn't say that either
hollow shell
Well then it's gotta be added to the wiki
karmic stone
The armor set does now, wiki is outdated
radiant meadow
the update literally just came out 2 days ago
hollow shell
Updating the Armor page now...
lost agate
Yeah but like imagine checking ingame smh my h
sand umbra
ngl I'm really happy this is a thing
runic heath
Having pda but not cellphone? Hmmm
hollow shell
(what use is the Cell Phone in an accessory slot vs the PDA?)
runic heath
You can’t use cell as accessory
hollow shell
Exactly
karmic stone
Equipable inventory harhar
radiant meadow
?
runic heath
I guess the technical use is it saves an inventory slot if you keep magic mirror in piggy bank or something
radiant meadow
what's the issue then 
hollow shell
iunno, Roofon hmmmd
karmic stone
Cellphone is an item, PDA is an acc
radiant meadow
both display from inventory
runic heath
I’m mostly just hmmm over why not just use cellphone except for I guess the exact reason I said
radiant meadow
I just needed to save inventory slots and had free cs slots
hollow shell
Molten is cool now, added to the wiki
@signal prairie
radiant meadow
it's a test character
karmic stone
Molten is cool
runic heath
Ah that makes more sense
signal prairie
Aight, I'll remove the molten armor
mellow bay
My oracle suggestion hit 107
runic heath
Can we talk about how jungle is useless xd
karmic stone
Necro is still left in the corner for now
runic heath
Like even in vanilla it’s pretty bad
Considering it isn’t the easiest thing to get, needing gems but also a bunch of random jungle loot
Well not random loot, but still.
karmic stone
Jungle needs gems?
runic heath
Does it not?
karmic stone
I crafted it a few days ago in maso and it surely didn't
runic heath
This might be a boomer moment since the last time I crafted jungle armor was before 1.1 probably
karmic stone
Just Vines, Spores and Stingers
runic heath
It used to need gems lol
karmic stone
hollow shell
(Did Jungle armor exist before 1.1?
I thought it was Cobalt)
runic heath
Yeah it did, I didn’t actually play when pre hm cobalt was a thing
Lmao
Also used to require 55 jungle spores total
Actually reading it besides not having +damage and just having +crit for some reason it’s not terrible. It gives +80 mana and +16% reduced mana cost
hollow shell
Good for mana supply, which is important pre-Mana Flower
runic heath
It also has 17 defense which for mage isn’t that bad? But I don’t have comparisons right now.
But yeah doesn’t boost damage for some reason just a +4% crit on each piece because idk
radiant meadow
17 defense is pretty high for armor
radiant meadow
bee is 13, crimson is 19, molten is 25
hollow shell
About average maybe a lil above
radiant meadow
melee is just high def by definition
runic heath
Also I didn’t know you could swap out pieces of ancient cobalt for jungle pieces and have the same set bonus that’s actually really cool. Overall the only reason it’s outclassed is because calamity armor
hollow shell
mmm
runic heath
Also you can get mana flower pre hm and probably will if you’re exploring the jungle that much
mellow bay
Bee, jungle, molten, necro are the last phm armors for summoner, mage, melee and ranged respectively
runic heath
Bee is the only phm summon armour
Because summoner is a meme class that’s just slightly above throwing
frail mantle
summoner is a class that's only considered its own class because Stardust gear exists tbh
runic heath
Actually to be fair there really is just one main class armor pre hm for most classes except mage I guess
If you count meteor as a mage set which it kind of is
Tbf summoner was expanded on in 1.3, and with the addition of OOA actually has more than 3 sentries
karmic stone
Every piece increases magic damage by 7%
runic heath
So the more damaging when compared to jungle, or at least more consistent since crits
only class is ranged change my mind
pearl haven
post-Surpreme Calamitas bosses
cosmic void
I feel like to an extent, if mod armor is outshining a vanilla set then the modded armor should be nerfed a little. I don't know what is outshining Necro at that level but it shouldn't have to be buffed to compensate
frail mantle
tbh yea
runic heath
I don’t have numbers off hand to compre but the most likely competitor is aerospec, which would be concerning as it is pre skele
Statigel is fine since it is post SG so would technically be a different tier
oak meteor
how long does it take normally for devs to review a sugg
twilit swan
It depends on whether they delete it or not...
twilit swan
A few of mine have been shot down and/or deleted
lost agate
Uh
Devs have nothing to do with deleting suggestions
Like legit , devs cant delete suggestions
queen delta
unless they're staff
lost agate
yeah but thats another thing
in that case they delete them cuz theyre mod not cuz theyre devs
hollow saffron
dont ranged accessories already have an ammo consumption thingy
radiant meadow
daedalus emblem and ele quiver do
the ammo reduction doesn't stack on those two though
frail mantle
most endgame ranged weapons have ammo conservation too iirc
radiant meadow
nor does it stack with certain armors
implementing custom ammo reduction to accessories/armor is kinda complicated I think
sand umbra
it's not too terribly complicated, really
swift wadi
I wonder what items would be in a Cultist bag, maybe some more weapons like the staff or fragments from the pillars? I'm not sure how you could make it worth considering the stuff he drops now you only really need one of
unique owl
fragments
tired of having to kill the pillars over and over to get the moon lord summon
swift wadi
Yeah, a better way to get frags would be great, Deus and Pillars get boring
Or like what was suggested before, an infinite summon item, maybe just using singularities, meld and a few other items to make? Astral bars maybe
But if killing Cultist in arma gave you like 100+ frags that would be nice, a good 5 or so tries right there
sand umbra
make the cultist not a boss
excuse me what the fuck
swift wadi
He's basically a miniboss 
sand umbra
okay nope I'm not doing this
I'm gonna pre-emptively fuck right on offa here before I say something I know I'll regret
swift wadi
Wat
unique owl
i want it to not be a boss so that using Armageddon doesn't 1shot you. Current issue is that he drops normal loot even when using Armageddon. It's bonus difficulty for no bonus reward.
That or give it a treasure bag with its current drops (it'd be fine to have more drops but current drops would work fine)
unique owl
from how i see it all i have is a correct point but go ahead
sand umbra
Armageddon is bad reasoning as it is not necessary in any capacity and should not be catered to
disregarding the above, LC actually has an unused Treasure Bag that could be given loot and made to drop
furthermore, removing the title of boss from LC would undermine the importance of ever actually fighting him and would actually just make it be "why not just let you fucking break the tablet"
which completely ruins the tense atmosphere of the fight and the feeling it evokes with the way it sets itself up
to make an important boss not a boss just so a nohit mode that should never be balanced around can work is dumb. simple as that
instead, give LC's bag some actual content, make it drop properly, and make it drop in spades on Armageddon
boom, problem solved
unique owl
yeah removing it as a boss isn't really the main point. Giving it a treasure bag is more the thing but if that's not easy or the other is easier.
sand umbra
.
LC's treasure bag already exists in the game's code and can be cheated in
it is incredibly easy to make it drop
and give it actual things to drop
unique owl
i think you got upset at the remove boss part more than you did anything else
sand umbra
well yes
because it's seriously overshooting an otherwise very simple fix
unique owl
because other than that there's no real reason to not add a treasure bag (other than its more than 10 seconds of effort, if that.)
sand umbra
the point is, it'd be very easy to give LC's bag some proper content and the ability to drop
sand umbra
LC dropping a handful of fragments would be neat
honestly, makes me wonder why bag was never done
there's already decent reason to make it a thing (see also: Eidolon Staff, Thorn Blossom, Ancient Manip)
...actually, imma go do that for EE
since I've already messed with LC extensively as is 
anywho I'm tired and I think everything's sorted out so
unique owl
zenith hazel
it’s not like cultist should drop anything important anyway
it could be good for thorn blossom farming but other than that, eh
swift wadi
I mean, you could add some materials for what's up ahead, or something like that
proven tide
@ashen warren you should add a reason to that
ashen warren
okay
swift wadi
Doing that would make spawning siren harder, maybe a mechanic like having the water candle return them to their original spawn rate, while still adding the water candle effect, could help balance that out
It is a water candle :p
ashen warren
it doesnt matter lol
people dont need to instantly see the thing to summon a supposedly late game boss
within 30 seconds of coming to the ocean
distant gyro
you see that has a return effect
ashen warren
they can wait a bit
ashen warren
it wouldnt annoy me because i only fight leviathan like 10-20 times then forget about it
and ocean farming I do for a variety of reasons
ruby cobalt
the keyword here is you
ashen warren
probably quite a lot of people in addition to me too
swift wadi
Yeah I don't farm in the ocean like, ever
ruby cobalt
sugmas have potential to change things for EVERYONE
swift wadi
If I see a siren, I despawn it by walking away, but most the time they're the reason im there
ashen warren
in the past 5 minutes ive had to fly up to space like 9 or 10 times to despawn it
sometimes its respawned by the time i get down there
its ridiculous
probably more then that tbh
probably every 20 seconds or so i see it or hear its music
squids and sea snails are like ten times less likely to spawn then it
teal ibex
also edit to one message instead of posting two
oak meteor
if somethings gets a green tick does that mean it will be added
frail mantle
If something gets a green tick it means that it has been sent to the dev server
Note that a green tick doesn’t guarantee that it’ll be added
oak meteor
causes there acouple over 100
frail mantle
Do you mean that there are a few suggestions with more than 90 stars that haven’t been green ticked?
oak meteor
yea @frail mantle
karmic stone
I mean
Most of the time you're gonna fight KS in a pure forest, and the bright red contrasts with the overall green and blue
But I see where you come from
teal ibex
peeps use platforms usually which puts it up into the brighter colored sky and that's where it really gets lost tbh
i appreciate the edit but i also dont think it contrasts at all with the sky personally 
i think i have a bit of a weakness for visibility so im slightly biased but i frequently lose track of the projectiles tbh
karmic stone
I don't have these kind of problems, but if there are some people that do I wouldn't be bothered by a darker, more solid red
Star'd
proven tide
@lilac fjord firstly, it'd be best to add a reason to that one, but also would you rather it be consumable or toggleable? it seems a bit extreme to be an irreversible option
tired haven
It does contrast badly if your bg sky level happens to be inflated and the gem ends up on blue part
I don't see any harm in making this thing slightly less transparent
lilac fjord
What. Why the hell would it be permanent? @proven tide
I guess if you'd use a summon item. But no, I don't think it's in any way a good idea to make it permanent.
It's in refrence to the message right above mine.
proven tide
ez
quartz hare
take this ⭐
ruby cobalt
it would be good as a permanent item, but with one but
swift wadi
What if Siren dropped a permanent summon item, and after she's killed ??? stops spawning
ruby cobalt
there's no manual summon item for siren/Levi in clameme iirc
^
or make Amidias sell consumable ones
swift wadi
What is Amidias sold an item that, when it's in your inventory, makes ??? start spawning
And without it, they don't spawn
ruby cobalt
nah
don't tamper with spawning mechanics until the duo dies
their whole premise is being a surprise boss
swift wadi
True but, think about it, how much do you go to the ocean post Levi?
I do think she should be a surprise boss but, most items you need from ocean are pretty early
ruby cobalt
true
I still think it would be easier to remove ??? spawns after killing Levi and adding a manual summon for them available for purchase/dropped from Levi at 100% rate
modern knoll
You need the sea shell from sea snails to make the absorber and they're pretty rare and farming for them when a ??? Pops up every five seconds is annoying
lilac fjord
"True but, think about it, how much do you go to the ocean post Levi?"
How often do you go to the snow biome post-cryo?
How often do you go to any biome when you dont have anything to do there?
it's true for every biome except the forest where most people put their bases.
it's still a nice addition, seeing as there were people suggesting it in the first place.
could be that you are not on level with siren yet, so maybe the siren drops a toggleable item that stops it from spawning until its used again. that the siren drops when she hits second phase aka levi spawn?
Kind of like Yharon but for a different purpose.
loud steeple
If you ever play whith something like thorium while with calamity,you go to the ocean alot
Pre and post wof
void kelp
I suppose you can also make the argument that some folks go to the ocean to get stuff like the green jelly, shark fins, etc
runic heath
If you stop ??? From spawning there would need to be another way to get siren’s heart
But toggleable would be nice
Tmw your summons fuck off and kill ??? Right as you are summoning duke
gusty geode
I have several questions in regards to that Cultist treasure bag suggestion
runic heath
I might have several answers
gusty geode
- Doesn't it already have one buried in the code?
- Isn't the reason it's buried in the code because LC didn't have enough drops to make a bag useful?
runic heath
I mean I don’t see why there couldn’t be a bag
gusty geode
In which case
3. Why would you be farming it with Armageddon to begin with
ashen warren
How fast would suggesting a low particle option for low-end computers get mauled to death?
night cradle
There is already a low particle option in vanilla
Low Quality makes some of the dust disappear if you have too much of it on screen
ashen warren
Quite fast then, I take it.
karmic stone
Wh
karmic stone
@elfin nest
Lore Items are never going to get combined into one item at all
signal prairie
Specific item suggestion
radiant meadow
@elfin nest specific accessories that are not allowed to be suggested. And lore items combined into one is problematic with balancing.
karmic stone
It's all in the don'ts doc as well
elfin nest
ah ok
yea just remembered the "no combining lore items to take less space"
took down the suggestion since it wont be accepted
quick ice
Combining lore isn’t necessary since there are only a few universally good ones
gusty geode
Pre-hardmode RoD in Crimson still busted unless they changed that idk
quick ice
RoD is busted in general which is why irony use it
gusty geode
Something's really gotta be done about it
Idk why it hasn't been nerfed already, Fab hasn't submitted to fan backlash anywhere else
opal barn
It's not just fan backlash, devs were against it as well
And it's kinda nerfed already
simple hamlet
Is there a spot to put suggestions for the server 🤔
cyan lagoon
You can use #suggestions-voting
tired haven
Probably (especially) best to discuss it here first
cyan lagoon
(That channel description should be changed)
tired haven
inb4 that was the incoming suggestion 
cyan lagoon
If it was then theyre not alone
hollow shell
What would it be used for
simple hamlet
The same thing the 🦀 Emote is used for
hollow shell
Which is
bitter topaz
if you're suggesting emotes, head to art and use it to participate in the contest there
hollow shell
Oh right, that contest is still going on
bitter topaz
tbf rover mushrave is nitro only
hollow shell
yeah
simple hamlet
Yes, poor mans mushrave
bitter topaz
so i think counting it is a little unfair towards some
simple hamlet
I would add mushrooms, but mouse drawing's ain't very Attractive
gusty geode
The increased damage taken doesn't mean shit in no-hits
The place where the problem is the biggest
gusty geode
RoD discussion above
Topic since changed
Anyway
I think completely barring use of RoD while inflicted with Chaos State would be the best way to go
That way it actually matters, even if you don't get hit
sand umbra
I've always wondered why it doesn't do that in the first place
simple hamlet
Snow dog scares me every time, so i agree with stan the man, although im not sure if it can be changed at all
sand umbra
the penalty from spamming it is negligible at times compared to, say
ML deathray lelel
DoG laser wall meme
gusty geode
Like
You know there's a problem when there's an entire separate category for not using it
One item should not be that essential
sand umbra
the issue isn't even that, it's just
RoD is way too powerful for what it's supposed to be
tired haven
Mmmmm
Not being able to use RoD in nohits during Chaos State will do... nothing?
Unless you mean cheesing Armageddon definition
tired haven
Well I address that to them, ye
mint mantle
Just came here to thank the devs for making such an awesome mod, im addicted to to terraria again.
Btw Roxcalibur is the most OP item in the game,It is obtainable in any stage of pre-hardmode, it does 200 damage,it also throws not one but 3-4 projectiles, and its middle mouse button attack which makes you dive with the sword while in the air Does about 15 times the swords damage,This thing shreds bosses from the very early game to the very lategame,i suggest a few balances to this item, And also the swords hilt and body does no damage and only the Rock part does damage to enemies i dont know if that's intentional or not.
Love your work, this amount of fun wouldnt have been possible without your efforts
frail mantle
it's unusable until you defeat WoF iirc
mint mantle
Its not, only the middle mouse button attack is unusable
mint mantle
im just saying doing 4500 damage with one blow to the destroyer in expert mode without taking any damage is OP
Since the middle mouse button attack which is a smash attack sends you back into the air
mint mantle
Its without taking any risk of being hit
Maybe the swing is my fault for mixing with Terra overhaul idk🤔
sand umbra
major content anything with Overhaul is bound to break
hollow saffron
^
Increase the amount of Cosmilite Bricks that are craftable from 1 bar to 100, up from 20 bricks per bar.
Reason: Cosmilite is quite expensive, and with the hundreds of building blocks that are needed for the Cosmilite/Otherworldly furniture, it's simply not worth how expensive it is to craft - especially if the player hasn't crafted Auric items yet. Increasing the amount of bricks that can be crafted with it(much like how Silva Crystals can be crafted in groups of 400) would make them less of a hassle to obtain.
hollow saffron
lmao i didnt even notice that
well then whats the point in the bricks being craftable
fiery idol
Are suggestions for the wiki allowed?
frail mantle
those are better asked in the wiki channels
to gain access to the wiki channels, ask a mod for the Wiki Contributor role
frail mantle
you can probably just ping a mod in here
frail mantle
@bitter topaz sorry for ping, but this person wants Wiki Contributor
terse sundial
I'm here
frail mantle
o
terse sundial
What wiki question do you have
hollow saffron
i really with the wiki had a changelog for new updates
fiery idol
Perhaps some more organization, like in the pages that list items, have it be divided by which items can be aquired in pre-hardmode
hollow saffron
its been a while since i played calamity and a lot of things have changed
terse sundial
Which pages in particular?
hollow saffron
so basically i have to hunt through the wiki to find changes
terse sundial
Weapons on the Calamity Wiki is already segmented into classes and into progression
same with Armor
fiery idol
oh it is
hollow saffron
changelog when
terse sundial
Accessory yes, isn't split, but there is a yes/no function on the right side of each table that indicates if it is obtainable in hardmode or not
bitter topaz
it is done
terse sundial
@fiery idol For future reference if you have any suggestions you have on the wiki, go to the #wiki-basic channel that you now have access to
fiery idol
Ty
void kelp
hey suggestion idea: “add a way to differentiate extended and regular mutes”?
or maybe just “explain what gets an extended mute instead of just a regular mute”
opal barn
An extended mute is always after a regular mute
bitter topaz
i'll go tell danny to add that
i can see how it'd lead to some confusion ig
void kelp
aye
hollow shell
@terse sundial Original Band of Regen suggestion?
terse sundial
just realized it was sent before the new year, my bad on that regard
hollow shell
Aight
Gonna shift the bluecheck cutoff date forward to like June
once December rolls around
Maybe July
terse sundial
Do we want to raise suggestion star count also?
hollow shell
I'll do some tallying once I get home and I'll see if we need to
oak meteor
epic there are some green ticks
ripe ether
where?
wide flicker
This sounds a bit specific
distant gyro
@paper plaza is this a meme suggestion
hollow idol
smh using the same name as the scrapped successor mod to Calamity
distant gyro
tbh
paper plaza
WAITWOT
plush locust
isn't that ancients awakened
paper plaza
OK THAT WAS UNINTENTIONAL BUT I AM IN NO WAY TRYING TO MAKE A HOLLOW KNIGHT REFERENCE
even though your PFP is LITERALLY GRIMM
holdup
karmic stone
What
sand umbra
this mode sounds like Death but with any and all potential fun sucked out of it
seriously I don't mean to be that guy but. what are you on
sand umbra
you can't just slap whatever the fuck together and call it a mode 
paper plaza
idk i just want to see a one hit hero-esque mode
karmic stone
gonna screenshot it before it's gone for my meme junkpit
distant gyro
Supreme Calamitas lore
unique vector
@paper plaza please revise your suggestion or delete it before i delete it for you
distant gyro
That's a one-hit-hero l
ashen warren
extremely bad.
paper plaza
you can delete it
sand umbra
then go into an Expert+ world with a Hardcore character and cheat in Supreme Calamitas' lore item
distant gyro
sand umbra
karmic stone
Misread as "before I delete you" 
unique vector
thank
teal ibex
i ALSO misread it as that
hollow saffron
'before i delete you' 
opaque garnet
All elementals have a drop that's let's you summon them except for the earth elemental, maybe add it to the heart of the elements crafting recipe
proven tide
Where would it sit, though?
radiant meadow
cosmic elemental forgotten 
opaque garnet
I think it would be a more slimmed down version if he looked like an actual human
karmic stone
Human elemental iirc
opaque garnet
Maybe Grants like 2% damage reduction around the player
radiant meadow
reminds me of this old suggestion https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/534909639939194880
opaque garnet
Adding the geomental gem as a counterpart to the heart of elements isnt a bad a idea
Just a lesser version perhaps
hollow shell
Edit your reason into your suggestion, Zel
(tho the reasoning is indeed slightly weak
because, yeah, Ice Chaos Cosmic and Granite all exist)
proven tide
geomental was good owowowowow
hollow shell
Greatsword of Blah is a Nimbus Rod upgrade tbh
elfin maple
i like that idea
fervent citrus
karmic stone
You made the same sugg a few days ago and we already discussed this iirc
austere lion
I think there should be a set bonus minion for the astral armor because the set bonus doesn't work on summon weapons
lost agate
Regenator doesnt do anything related to ice tho
lost agate
I mean
zenith hazel
it wasn't really a meme suggestion I guess? but idk
it sounds unnecessary that's for sure
lost agate
It just isnt really all that well reasoned
bitter topaz
it was still a pretty terrible suggestion
ashen warren
so then it'd have been better to remove the reactions and let it sit right?
it didn't break any rules and didn't seem like much of a meme tbh
austere lion
Is my suggestion ok?
pallid crag
It's a meme suggestion
zenith hazel
you do know that meme suggestions aren't allowed right?
austere lion
why is it a meme suggestion?
zenith hazel
fair enough, just don't do that next time.
pallid crag
I won't
karmic stone
Should it look like that in the first place?
austere lion
I don't think so
red spindle
What you're saying is that another flame appears in front of the originals when you're using the staff?
quartz hare
yes
red spindle
I'm not at my computer to test it, but especially on fate's, that looks a little bugged. The cutouts for the candle things show up in the second flames. Is it even intentional I wonder?
radiant meadow
oh, the 2nd flame thing is my fault
I forgot to move the glowmasks when messing with the offset
quartz hare
lost agate
It was more of a bug than a suggestion but eh
quartz hare
yes, this is glowmask (genius )
radiant meadow
ye, I'm looking into fixing it now
quartz hare
thanks
tepid root
lol
radiant meadow
I fixed it anyways
hollow saffron
ye i saw lol
radiant meadow
as in removed the offset because messing with glowmasks is
hollow saffron
what are glowmasks
hollow saffron
ah
hearty yew
Fuck I could've predicted that. It's a glowmask alignment error
That's a bug btw
If you see weird stuff like that again it's a bug, not a suggestion
lost agate
Yeah
brittle merlin
isn't this a subclass suggestion
quartz hare
sand umbra
personally, if I were to put exactly one flamethrower between Spark Spreader and Shadethrower
I'd make it either a Crabulon drop or an EoW drop
although either way, I'd really love if people would point out that these subclass-related suggestions will ultimately increase variety for their respective overarching classes as an added bonus
that way it's not just "help my subclass meme"
quartz hare
help the summoner subclass class
quick ice
EoW would make sense to have a cursed-Flamethrower of some sort
sand umbra
nowhere because BoC doesn't need a flamethrower
BoC needs them high IQ weapon drops
lost agate
@ebon mortar i think i know the reasoning but it would be better if you included it in the suggestion
potent veldt
Always put reasoning in suggestion for good measure
civic pond
would the recipe be counted as specific? orrrr
potent veldt
I mean
The recipe is usually not considered as specific just because it can easily be changed
civic pond
honestly i have no problems with this suggestion
sand umbra
literally just like 25 Luminite Bars and a Laser Drill or some shit
ebon mortar
Change for a lot of bars to just 60 Uelibloom
potent veldt
Im fine with it, since Polterghast does need a big arena
That has to be underground
sand umbra
that's better than literally half the recipe requiring Chlorophyte memes
potent veldt
^^^
ebon mortar
Or just 2 Laser Drill + 20 Luminite Bar
ashen warren
Does suggesting changes to a weapon count as a specific item suggestion?
potent veldt
Unless the change is extremely specific, nah
lost agate
The point of onyx drill is being hard to find
quick ice
The cavern shrine is pretty hard to find though
It’s the largest biome by far, so some form of making it easier to find would be nice
cosmic void
Or at least be lead towards it in Hardmode or something
In a Large World it would be neigh impossible unless you get lucky
quick ice
An alternative idea is to guarantee that the Cavern, Granite, Marble and Glowing Mushroom shrines always spawn in the inner 1/2 to 1/3 of the world, keeping them away from the edges of the world which nobody ever mines in
lost agate
I do you know
And that would make it easy af to find
And still
Onyx excavator is one of the strongest mining tool
quick ice
Surface, crimson/corruption and underworld are all easy to find
quick ice
And desert shrine, with snow being somewhat difficult
cosmic void
I think a better solution would be to spawn ONLY in the outer 1/3 of the map and have something lead you there at some point in Hardmode. You're almost never digging around out there
quick ice
Nah, leading you to a shrine is lame
lost agate
I dig all the world cuz adamantite/titanium
And still
Ever wondered why shrines dont have a torch in them or smth?
Because they are meant to be hard to find
Not just, find it sometime later
quick ice
I’d still rather they be kept away from the outer edges of the world
cosmic void
Honestly I think it being exclusive to the outer edges of the world would be fair
ashen warren
better idea, generate the cavern shrine only in the outer edges
lost agate
Dambf
cosmic void
Less chance to just run into it if you're just mining normally, but somewhere to actively look for it
Rather than literally the entire world
ashen warren
lost agate
Well
You arent exactly meant to look for the shrines
Its like RIVs
You arent asked to get them
ashen warren
those things everyone grinds anyway?
lost agate
Yes
cosmic void
Alright yeah, but the entire world just in the off chance you'll find it?
cosmic void
Even with an 'off chance', the outer edges are a more reasonable location
quick ice
Only other change I’d like is a Crag shrine where Murasama can be moved to, A new underworld shrine item and shrines for the Sunken Sea, and finally Hallowed & Astral Infection shrines found anywhere in the caverns and locked until Hardmode
lost agate
We are not talking about a simple pickaxe or smth
cosmic void
What makes sense? Sometimes you'll luck out and just happen to find it right under your house or something? That sounds silly to me
lost agate
We are talking the drill that can eat entire worlds
cosmic void
"Don't go looking for it but it's also absurdly overpowered"
I don't understand
It's powerful just because finding it is super unreasonable?
lost agate
sigh
quick ice
It’s meant to be a challenge to find, you’re rewarded for getting super lucky or having the dedication to search potentially the whole world for it
lost agate
And just crafting it ruins that
lost agate
If its limited to one area, the search time gets reduced a crap ton
And i cant stress this enough, but its the fastest drill in existence
cosmic void
Please excuse me, but I don't see the issue in search time if you're not supposed to look for them in the first place
I don't know ANY time in which people just casually go digging compared to if they were just creating their primary mine near their house, usually closer to the center of the map
quick ice
When he says you’re not supposed to look for them he means you don’t need to, because they aren’t necessary items to game progression
cosmic void
I guess?
lost agate
You can look for them
But its not mandatory
I never said "dont search for them" now did i?
cosmic void
But like, I see next to zero value in getting lucky and finding something that could be anywhere in the entire world
You said you aren't supposed to search for them
Honestly, even if the drill was slowed down a LITTLE to compensate, the outer edges of the world would be a far more reasonable location
"They're hard to find, but you can commit to searching if you want" But scanning the ENTIRE world is effectively one long grind that will cease feeling rewarding
quick ice
I just want to point out that this arguement is going nowhere, because this change won’t be implemented
cosmic void
It sometimes takes me forever to find my Jungle Temple, much less a single tiny shrine
cosmic void
Apologies if I am not seeming calm, I am just trying to make a point I feel somewhat strongly about
cosmic void
Shrines are not required to progress, but that's not entirely my point. The size difference is huge, and while it's not REQUIRED, if somebody DOES want to look, it's a wild grind effectively to search the entire world
lost agate
Onyx excavator is nothing short of that
cosmic void
To the point where people either get lucky, feel like they wasted time searching the entire world, or give up
That doesn't sound very rewarding to me
quick ice
Every shrine item except the Trinket of Chi and Tundra Leash is good
lost agate
Eh forget it
cosmic void
I'm just trying to say I am fine with the Shrines, but the Cavern Shrine has SUCH a broad scope in which it can appear it doesn't even really feel worth it to me
cosmic void
I suppose so. Sorry if I came off as rude, or if I WAS rude
cosmic void
Yeah i'm not all too pleased about those either, I just haven't talked about them
distant gyro
I thought if you're going in circle it's best to end the convo
quick ice
Those are significantly easier to find
distant gyro
distant gyro
former mod ig
cosmic void
Those ones at least usually have huge railroads connected to them. Doesn't make the shrine any easier to find though
quick ice
For marble and granite you just dig around the world, find one of the biomes in the area and don’t search anywhere within 200 blocks of that biome
cosmic void
But again, apologies if I came off as rude
I just thought the conversation was at least worth having, even if change wouldn't occur
lost agate
There was no need to be so abbrassive about it
cosmic void
Granted. I just feel like the scope of the shrine appearing is very silly
I could have been less abrasive though
quick ice
Ice shrine change: The Tundra Leash is one of the most boring if not the most boring shrine item available to the player. As it stands, the angry dog is a reskinned Basilisk/Unicorn mount, and would do with either a change to the mount or the implementation of a new item for the ice shrine. Here are my ideas
- Change the Tundra Leash: A change such as increasing the speed of the mount, causing it to inflict a debuff on contact such as frostburn or giving it a charge effect where it can increase speed temporarily and ignore enemy contact damage are all potential options to make the mount distinguished from the Unicorn and Basilisk
- Move the tundra leash to be an Angry dog drop: Pretty self explanatory, a new item could be made for the ice shrine and the leash would be an angry dog drop. If having the leash and Cryophobia is too much for the angry dog, the Cryophobia can always be moved to a different enemy in the ice biome.
I figured I’d bring this idea up since we were talking about the shrines a moment ago
sand umbra
actually yeah, why isn't the Tundra Leash a rare Angry Dog drop
wouldn't that make much more sense
quick ice
It would, and Cryophobia can always be moved somewhere else to stop the dog from being bloated in drops
sand umbra
and then have the Ice Shrine item be something that isn't made completely irrelevant after the initial stretch of the game, where you're least likely to find it
currently, by the time you can be reasonably expected to find the Ice Shrine --- which I'd mark around early- to mid-Hardmode, there are. already better and easier to obtain mounts
quick ice
Basilisk is better considering it does 40 more damage and has the exact same speed
sand umbra
and don't need the bash? Unicorn is better in raw speed and mobility
distant gyro
Both the Basillisk and Unicorn should be better because they're rare and hardmode
sand umbra
Blessed Apple literally comes from sitting in the Hallow for 5 minutes
you're very likely to get it completely on accident whilst farming out Hallow mats
quick ice
it has a 1/150 chance to drop from any enemy
sand umbra
Blessed Apple is a 1/200 (1/150 Expert+) drop
quick ice
in expert mode at least
sand umbra
from every single Hallow-based entity
not just Unicorns, as much as that goes against what it is
distant gyro
Well fuck doesn't that invalidate Basilisk
quick ice
if it was a 1-2/100 chance from Unicorns it would make more sense
sand umbra
basilisk is a good meme
quick ice
it does, yeah
quick ice
Basilisk is a higher drop rate from a rare enemy
sand umbra
Blessed Apple straight-up beats Basilisk in like every category lmao
sand umbra
quick ice
the damage is essentially going True Melee but a bit faster
no matter what you do it will be meme
sand umbra
at the end of the day, the conclusion to draw from this......,.,,..,,...,,..
is that Blessed Apple is king
gusty geode
Imo the Helium Flash should have an attack that has something to do with
Helium
Maybe the projectile does more damage but falls upwards
Since helium is lighter than air
sand umbra
Helium Flash sounds like the name of a balloon bomb thing from the Party Girl
and not
fire
quartz hare
Helium Flash needs a
lil
buff
rework
distant gyro
Far from it actually
Helium Flash is the best mage weapon against Yharon. Voltaic Climax can't top its dps either.
queen sail
Hm like
Idk I heard Helium Flash was pretty good
Usually there’s a sliding scale between “Boring but Practical” and “Awesome but Impractical”
E.g SDMG and Celebration
sand umbra
SDMG is really good but it's just Megashark 3 & Knuckles with no special effects on firing
queen sail
SDMG is Boring but Practical
sand umbra
Celebration is cool as hell but it sucks
cobalt rose
no special effects
queen sail
It’s just a faster megashark but it works due to dps
versed mica
Yeah true
queen sail
Celebration launches fireworks with massive aoe but lacks the fire rate and homing of snowman cannon
queen sail
Hence “Boring but Practical” vs “Awesome but Impractical”
sand umbra
queen sail
A weapon/method is bland but shines often
Or it looks cool and awesome but is outclassed by other available options/sucks
subtle oracle
My suggestion might get removed but, well watevs
queen sail
Leaning on the specific item side
On a legit note the reasoning is pretty weak
Even if you like something that doesn’t mean it’s gonna get an upgrade
Polaris Parrotfish is an S tier weapon (imo) and I’m pretty sure they ain’t gonna upgrade a fish
subtle oracle
Yeah well i deleted it, its a stupid suggestion
tired haven
Hence “Boring but Practical” vs “Awesome but Impractical”
And guess which one is more popular so
cloud surge
add a post-polterghast abyss ranged weapon
Reason: the only thing close to a ranged weapon from the abyss is the sulfuric acid cannon, and that's from the sulphuric sea and not the abyss. Plus, the sulfuric acid cannon isnt a very good weapon. Players have to use pre-polterghast weapons (unless they use daemons flame) against the DoG if they are using ranged weapons.
cobalt rose
isnt seadragon really good tho
cloud surge
I found angelic shotgun to be better
hearty yew
should I bother reading the entire discussion about helium flash
Making it more complex doesn't make it better. If you don't enjoy it, don't use it. Everyone on the testing team liked it, so I assumed people enjoyed it as it was.
But I want to see the feedback. Let me check.
tired haven
Read the 4th paragraph
Everything else is a buildup
But oh well, I don't really see how slight homing makes it "interesting"
Black hole effect is the other thing but, well, it's not practical at that tier, you barely have hordes to fight here and bosses will be immune 100%
(simply because breaking boss AI is a common thing and is unacceptable)
dense ferry
Well, I don't know. The Helium Flash is, trully, almost useless. Maybe the explosion could shot some minor homing projectiles before it fades away? Also, I don't know if this already happen, but with this feature it could explode in the air or when hit an enemy IN the air
This could make it more viable, and maybe more people would use it
west prairie
I mean, it could do some fire tentacles that looked like solar prominences
But is it really worth the change
radiant meadow
light god's brilliance and face melter aren't even post darksun
and they're patron weapons
dense ferry
Yes
radiant meadow
so they shouldn't be used as examples of post darksun mage weapons
dense ferry
Just a minor thing, but maybe removing some dust from Light God's Brilliance could be good. I lag pretty badly during DoG and Yharon fight while using it, lol
west prairie
Helium flash is currently more boring of an upgrade than it should be I’ll agree
But it doesn’t need a drastic rework
dense ferry
Just a way to make it's DPS better
hearty yew
you wanna talk about megalodon, helstorm and clock gatlignum?
yeah LGB is lag city because of its insane amount of dust
dense ferry
My FPS probably went from 120 from 20 lol
hearty yew
oh okay, so ignoring all the things he actually suggested
@ashen warren your rationale is that helium flash is boring because it's just Big Inferno Fork
yes, it's big inferno fork, that's the point. it's supposed to be a darksun tier inferno fork with no fancy properties
reminder that due to misprogramming, venusian trident's "fancy" magma shards actually fucked its dps
i acknowledge that functionally speaking helium flash is an extremely simple and uninteresting weapon
cobalt rose
honestly im fine with some weapons being direct upgrades to other weapons with no new special effects
hearty yew
imo what makes helium flash worthwhile is that simplicity and that the visuals and sounds are super satisfying
is it just inferno fork? yeah. can it be fun to use anyway? yeah
& if you don't like it whip out alpha ray or voltaic (or kill yharon p2 with LGB that also works last i checked)
now i am going to go read everything that was said in this channel, i guess. helium flash is a weapon i did concept for, ordered the art for and programmed, so if people don't like it I take the feedback seriously
i want to know how it's insufficient
west prairie
The question is whether it’s worth making if other options are just gonna be better, and as the mod revolves around bosses, it being bad against yharon phase two would be damning. So the question is, is it good on yharon?
dense ferry
I honestly don't know, but I think it's a ok weapon
The problem is that it's outlighted by the other weapons, but it's usable
west prairie
I wouldn’t think it would be great given the mobility of the boss, but on mobs it would rip through them
dense ferry
Yeah
On phase 2 it can shine, because of his horizontal flies sometimes. You could trap him
queen sail
Well what is it outshined by
cloud surge
Helium is actually pretty good on yharon p2
queen sail
Only other darksun magic wep is voltaic nut
radiant meadow
alpha ray is darksun
queen sail
Ah right