just like we're still comin with the rogue content
#suggestions-discussion
sand umbra
Sulf Sea set's probably still in the pipeline, just gotta give the devs time
oak meteor
i hope we get a super endgame fishing rod
hollow shell
Oh lord, Exo-rod
oak meteor
fishing is great
sand umbra
~~someday I'll cook up a fishing rod that can properly fish underwater
someday~~
hollow shell
Devourer of Cods is already pretty strong tho
cosmic void
Also actually LOVE the Twinkler critters in the Astral Infection
cosmic void
It's a neat little addition that I REALLY dig
oak meteor
supreme fishing rod
cosmic void
I imagine it alone wouldn't carry the Underground, but a fish only caught in the Underground Astral (Quest or otherwise) would be welcomed
hollow shell
Astral Underground stuff is also comin along
sand umbra
this reminds me that I have plans for a gem genned with the Astral Infection
hollow shell
We've got a lot of stuff comin along, is the point.
sand umbra
I should go think of more Astral stuff. eventually
oak meteor
rover are there gonna be any rods to surpass golden rod for endgame
hollow shell
Devourer of Cods already surpassed Golden
oak meteor
thats a rod?
hollow shell
oak meteor
oh
hollow shell
25% more power
and 10 lines at once
oak meteor
seems like it may interfere with sonar with all those lines at once
cosmic void
Might be counter productive, but I like the idea of a vacuum that catches fish super fast, but needs to be held down, and close to the water. Probably also takes bait a bit faster
ashen warren
@hollow elm 1. no boss sugmas
2. read pins
3. dont crosspost this in #lore-discussion too
hollow shell
mm, there is indeed already Everscream and Mourning Wood
hollow elm
oak meteor
i did worst suggestion ever
hollow shell
mmm that looks a bit specific to me
terse sundial
^
teal ibex
that is very specific item yeah LOL
ashen warren
@oak meteor 1. no specific item sugmas
2. no sc sugmas
3. read. pins?????????????????
hollow shell
Technically there is no rule against SCal items
but there is a rule against specific items
You hit all the nails of a specific item suggestion except for a name
hollow saffron
specific af
oak meteor
oh
hollow saffron
just say "endgame fishing rod"
oak meteor
oof
hollow shell
And be sure to give a reason
hollow saffron
^
oak meteor
but there is endgame fishing rod
cosmic void
Would making designs for SS Quest Fish and suggesting them fall under that umbrella?
hollow shell
The reason is the most important part
oak meteor
i want end end game fishing rod
hollow saffron
why is the devourer of cods not good enough
hollow saffron
"but there is endgame fishing rod"
"i want end end game fishing rod"
why not suggest increasing the DoC's fishing power
oak meteor
hmm
queen sail
Why do we even need an “end endgame” fishing rod
hollow saffron
ikr
queen sail
sand umbra
hollow saffron
its like a minecraft fishing rod, it pulls entities in
past cape
to be able to fish out entire worm bosses
sand umbra
DoC already has 75% base power, the inability to break its line, the ability to fish in lava, and 10x the fishing lines
do we really need anything else
oak meteor
are you opposing your authority again elon musk
oak meteor
i have made comedy
elder mist
gusty geode
Enemies shouldn't have their AI changed to keep grinding in mine change my mind
hollow shell
Fun
queen sail
What are you talking about
gusty geode
Suggestion that was just above the rod one
cosmic void
If I took something like these and suggested them as Quest Fish for the Sulphurous Sea, given the nature of them being fish for a specific biome, would that be considered too specific, or is this instance an exception?
oak meteor
is that better
oak meteor
God dammit
ashen warren
....its better, but
oak meteor
i just wanna fish more
queen sail
You can get almost anything by the point you get it
sand umbra
Lacerator ideas:
- brief killaura after hitting enough enemies, as a nod to its original gimmick + proper justification for the fact it's used in Oracle
- lifesteal that isn't a meme
- go the Bloodsoaked Crasher route and make it Oblivion 2, now with a wider array of projectiles
queen delta
Also, what about giving it another fishing line
gusty geode
Tbh I'd love to see a rod with fishing power so high you could catch Fishron without needing a truffle worm
steel raptor
Fabsol said in the Calamity Weapons Tier list podcast that he's never buffing Lacerator
queen sail
That’s not how the code works though
ashen warren
unfortunately youre not a dev either
hollow saffron
@oak meteor you forgot that it casts 10 lines at once
sand umbra
not for main, no
hollow saffron
cosmic void
I suppose i'll stick these up before I head out, then. Remove the post if it violates anything, apologies if it does
steel raptor
I'm saying that a Lacerator buff is never gonna happen
hollow shell
Golden Rod is more alike all other vanilla rods than DoC is alike Golden Rod
steel raptor
fishing can be abused so easily because of the vanilla bug
sand umbra
golden rod actually sucks vro
steel raptor
using autopause
hollow saffron
DoC is to Golden Rod as a wood pickaxe is to an efficiency 5 unbreaking 3 fortune 3 mending diamond pickaxe
sand umbra
Sitting Duck's isn't that much worse, is obtainable way easier, and most of all doesn't require the shitfest that is angler quests
hollow saffron
nowhere close
hollow shell
hrmm I am questioning the specificity of including designs with that suggestion
steel raptor
With the vanilla fishing bug, you can have an endless amount of bobbers in the water at once
hollow saffron
now do that with DoC
steel raptor
It only works in singleplayer
hollow saffron
also why would you use exploits/bugs
queen sail
I mean
hollow saffron
queen sail
It’s both specific sugma and not
steel raptor
Makes fishing a thousand times faster
queen delta
According to wiki, it sends 10 lines
Which is like a lot better than golden fishing rod
hollow saffron
^^^^^^^
queen sail
Golden Fishing Rod only has, like
hollow saffron
1
queen sail
5% more fishing power than the other two rods at its tier
hollow saffron
yall be poor, im fishing with 10 lines at once
queen sail
Golden is a cheap reward
steel raptor
Every time you use the glitch you cast out two times as many lines by using autopause, holding the fishing rod in your hand, and then dropping any item using right click in the direction you would cast the fishing rod
queen sail
Hotline has lava fishing capabilites
sand umbra
despite how much people praise Golden, Hotline has about the same fishing power and can fish in lava
hollow saffron
Golden is only good for the achievement
hollow saffron
But no one care s
queen sail
200 IQ balancing
hollow saffron
Terraria in a nutshell lmao
steel raptor
I wasn't sure if calamity devs are aware of this exploit
sand umbra
Sitting Duck's is locked purely behind Travelling Merchant RNG, which ain't too hard to abuse if you know what you're doing
hollow saffron
@steel raptor we dont car e
queen sail
We can’t fix every time vanilla shoots itself in the foot
hollow saffron
^^
sand umbra
Hotline is locked behind Angler just as Golden is, but I already explained how it's substantially better than Golden
steel raptor
I found fiberglass fishing pole pre-boss
hollow saffron
fiberglass is eh
sand umbra
fiberglass ain't bad if you don't feel like travelling merchant RNG
hollow saffron
hotline is where its at
steel raptor
It's better than aerospec fishing rod or whatever the name is
hollow saffron
its underground cave RNG
steel raptor
You don't need hotline fishing hook if you have the post-golem fishing rod
queen sail
Fiberglass is worldgen rng
sand umbra
or jungle crate RNG
teal ibex
||i don't understand devourer of cods has 10 fishing lines how is that||
hollow saffron
code
teal ibex
pardon me i should be doing that LOL
hollow saffron
thats how
sand umbra
devourer of cods doesn't need to be spoilered lel
teal ibex
smh it does to me!!!
hollow saffron
spoiler misuse
sand umbra
queen sail
Bottom text
hollow saffron
🤡
queen sail
How yall mfs look spoilering content from months ago
steel raptor
if scal had a fishing rod it would be called "scod"
teal ibex
regardless having that many fishing lines is absolutely nutty good it doesn't need a buff lol
oak meteor
@hollow saffron you can cast 20 lines in vannila
queen sail
With what
steel raptor
more than that
frail mantle
with a bug, yes
teal ibex
if you're talking about the fishing exploit then it would take you 10x as long
it is still 10x better
even with the glitch you're mentioning
queen sail
If it’s the autopause thing that’s a bug
steel raptor
with the glitch there's no limitations regarding the quantity of fishing lines out at once
quick ice
Astral Infection cries in no quest fish either
queen sail
Astral Infection has best fish weapon
oak meteor
is there any abyss fish
quick ice
Abyss doesn't need fish
steel raptor
and with that bug I'm gonna no hit 10 duke fishrons at once
teal ibex
you can't fish in the abyss easily due to how it works
queen sail
No bc abyss fish content doesn’t exist yet 
teal ibex
there's a reason you fish up abyss weapons in sulph sea after all
oak meteor
just add little brime lakes that you can fish in the abyss
quick ice
Abyss most likely won't get fishing content since you absolutely have to make your own fishing pond there
and it's difficult too do that
queen sail
Honestly Abyss/Mouthwash crates are probably comin some time later
oak meteor
they should add brime rivers in abyss
quick ice
Adding liquids is really difficult you know....
they can't easily make a Brine in the Abyss
steel raptor
I thought you can't get the abyss weapons from fishing
quick ice
^
You only get them once so don't throw them away
teal ibex
close enough 
the point is that abyss fishing would have to come at the expense of a core abyss mechanic: no air pockets
oak meteor
how the heck does my DoC buff have some voter
steel raptor
I wanna suggest that bc there are times you'd have to go to layer 3 in pre hm just for the abyss weapon you want 
quick ice
just don't die, easy
steel raptor
you have no light for layer 3 in pre hm
teal ibex
yeah i feel like a post slime-god option to fish abyss weapons would be... nice, but probably not a likely addition
you do get your air cut for tp'ing in iirc
steel raptor
or at least post skeletron
oak meteor
or be a man and dig air pockets like i did in abyss
teal ibex
i mean, it's still unlimited and a fully functioning exploit, but it's considered
queen sail
Digging air pockets means suffering 1 hp per ingame tick
lost agate
DoC
Not worth
U wot
queen sail
You’re punished for breathing air
gusty geode
I bet you could get brine lakes if you like
Made a Honey-like block
And made it so you could catch stuff if a rod came into contact with one of those blocks
Idk if that would work
queen sail
And fishing rods don’t function unless you’re out of water
Squid that’d probably require some wackass coding
gusty geode
Wait
Better, more possible idea
teal ibex
even if you can make it work it objectively goes against the idea of abyss
steel raptor
idk why the wiki states that you can go fishing in the abyss even though you can't
lost agate
You kinda can
teal ibex
the abyss is intended to be a time-based area that you cannot stay in because you have no options to breathe
queen sail
Fish on the outside walls tbh
lost agate
Just gonna be at 100 hp all the time
steel raptor
you can dig the abyss gravel to one side and temporarily leave it to breathe
gusty geode
Swinging a bug net (or specially made similar item) while in the Abyss would have a chance to give you a random item from a unique drop pool
That's fishing in the Abyss
steel raptor
I've done that before they buffed the breathing time of abyssal diving suit
lost agate
No thats just doing the spongebob
teal ibex
i mean yes you can use exploitative strategy to gain breath time in the abyss
but it's intended to not give you air pockets/breathing points so fishing in there has to have some fundamental difference
like i could see it only as a lake opening at the bottom
so it requires you to survive for that long as a prerequisite and conquer the abyss
otherwise it just completely juxtaposes what the abyss is supposed to be
steel raptor
all they need now is fishing on the planetoids
gusty geode
I still like my idea
And to prevent just running around swinging the net and getting free stuff
Could have a few enemies that have a chance to spawn when you swing it
Catching something that isn't exactly friendly
steel raptor
The Astral Infestation
gusty geode
Might go make a doc on this
sand umbra
the point is that abyss fishing would have to come at the expense of a core abyss mechanic: no air pockets
ideally, abyss fishing would involve a line that can
actually fish in water
but I haven't actually dabbled in that yet and have no idea how well it'd work out
oak meteor
make little brim lakes in the abyss that alloe you to fish in them
have portal gun ready
teal ibex
why on earth would you create deathtraps for fishing
the point of fishing is that you're supposed to have a lot of time and be patient to get loot
the solution to an in-water fishing system would be something like crab pots in stardew imo
just set down a trap of some sort and come back later
congrats, fish
crafted with some level of bait and like, some bars or smth
queen sail
So uhhhh
gusty geode
I like that actually
teal ibex
luiafk fish harvester but not inherently broken
hands-off fishing stations should be restrictive and objectively worse than hands-on fishing since you get the loot without any time investment on your part really
oak meteor
crabpots sound like a really good idea
teal ibex
afaik luiafk fish harvester just gives you stuff at a reasonably good pace and kinda kills fishing as a whole
oak meteor
except it will be justvlike stardew valley and i foget to collect and fill up with bait
gusty geode
Honestly
If fishing with a net doesn't work out I'd take that instead
ashen warren
fish harvester is annoying because it gets completely filled with nonstacking junk like rockfish and then bitches endlessly about "FULL HARVESTER AT RANDOM ASS COORDINATES"
teal ibex
i think slots is the wrong approach, imo it should be that each one catches one thing and you'd have to make multiple
teal ibex
uhhh think of it like shadow orbs
oak meteor
just do the same as stardew valley and make it one slot that you right click on to collect and fill with bait
teal ibex
except you place them and wait until later to break them and get the loot
oak meteor
every full day and not using cosmologht you get something like crate
teal ibex
each of them will definitely have something inside and should have increased chances of getting rare drops so that they're actually, y'know, worth bothering with
i just like the idea of being able to revisit locations after setting up like 10 traps and getting a rare abyss fish from one of them basically, it should be restrictive but still interesting/somewhat engaging
you could just craft a bunch and place them in ponds that you find while exploring and stumble upon them again later for a free bit of loot -- they could even have more than one catch in them, i don't really care about the specifics of what their yield is
oak meteor
i am trying to type a crab pot suggestion but make it follow rules
teal ibex
and it would ultimately server as a means of catching fish in the abyss without some really whacky workarounds or creating murder pockets
oak meteor
what counts as to speifc
teal ibex
i can suggest it just give me like 5 minutes lol
if it gets shot down for being too specific with how i word it then i'm sure it just won't fly in general
oak meteor
ok
opal barn
you have a color which means you have an automatic 40% higher chance of it being sent
teal ibex
and the best color at that 
oak meteor
purple is the best
gusty geode
Imo specific items should be allowed if the idea as a whole hasn't been done before
Like
Suggestion for a new yoyo or something bad
Something actually truly unique like this good
ashen warren
"no specsuggs" exists to kill 5 second thoughtless items and "bascially my exo OC with stupid fucking recipe" sugs
opal barn
people that suggested their omega cool OC weapons always thought they were unique
sand umbra
their epic uwu-senpai-sama-chan OC weapon of Auric Shadow Ore Soul Fragment tier with a left-click, a right-click, a middle-click, a right face button, a C-Sharp note, and a function involving rubbing your index finger on the trackpad of your laptop in the shape of a dodecahedrons, if I may
quick ice
Getting the abyss weapons isn’t hard actually
sand umbra
as I've looked through suggestions past over and over again, I've found that there are a good number of them that are just
oak meteor
has auric tesla always had a bar form
sand umbra
bad
quick ice
For level 3 you only need 3 points in light level to see, which you can get from Siren
steel raptor
If you get unlucky world generation it sometimes is
sand umbra
okay but like if you end up in layer 3
steel raptor
even with the light level there are several enemies in layer 3 that can kill you in 1-3 hits
sand umbra
you're almost guaranteed to have a Colossal Squid exist
and completely ruin your day
quick ice
All you need to get into level 4 pre-Hardmode is to grind jellyfish for a Jellyfish necklace, hope to god you get the Strange orb or fish it up, and craft a shine potion
steel raptor
I even had arctic diving gear and it was still very challenging to go down there just for my herring staff
and this was me as a hardcore character
sand umbra
I mean Summoner inherently suffers at every turn-- /shot
gusty geode
Maybe specific items could be filtered via the existing approval system
So only ones that are actually unique are allowed in
lost agate
Specific sugmas were....
sand umbra
something.
ruby cobalt
maybe they should
sand umbra
there were a select few that were good --- and I've found them in the past
but a lot of them were pretty bruh
gusty geode
I agree
The 103847282nd Exogun suggestion is stupid and should stay dead
But sometimes an actual good and unique idea could be held back by being specific
sand umbra
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teal ibex
wow what a cool not particularly specific suggestion gosh jeez wow
steel raptor
you can already get specific items implemented if you donate $20 or more in the Calamity Mod Patreon
idk if the amount ever changed
sand umbra
Calamity fishing content (the BEST. CONTENT.)
ashen warren
i mean, you can still "make specific item suggestions"
just that in the case of it being a shitty suggestion (90% probability), we have rights to smite it
sand umbra
objectively correct without question
sand umbra
Devourer of Cods is still the best fucking thing
lost agate
Lemme just add this weapon that charges up, explodes on contact which causes a black hole of antimatter that breaks the 4th wall to directly evaluate your iq and depending on it cause dmg
And even if it wasnt these complex ass shit, it just collides with the plans we had already
steel raptor
Calamity events have not been implemented yet either
ruby cobalt
@steel raptor it's now 50$
oak meteor
fishing is best
ruby cobalt
in fact, it's been 50$ ever since september
lost agate
Like
Add these specific bow
Bow was planned already
lost agate
And its like "tf do i do with this"
oak meteor
now just need 90 votes and crabpots become thing
queen sail
Discord bad with emotes
sand umbra
queen sail
lost agate
Sure
steel raptor
for some reason my last message for me was in red
lost agate
(also is discord taking a shit or is it me?)
queen sail
@lost agate if things go like that then tell me
steel raptor
was that normal?
quick ice
It’s taking a shit
queen sail
Is Exo Gun planned? 
queen delta
Discord is never not taking a shit
sand umbra
inb4 "use Onyxia damn you"
ruby cobalt
exo gun is planned as much as there's exo gun suggestions
steel raptor
why was one of my messages in red text
ruby cobalt
it wasn't sent
queen sail
i’m half memeing and half not because apparently an auric tier yoyo was already in the works but “Muh yoyo isn’t coming here fast enough”
steel raptor
oh ok
gusty geode
Tbh I bet you could make a full mod out of this whole fishing cage thing
Maybe variants that work on land
For catching stuff like smaller rare critters
lost agate
Luiafk
gusty geode
But balanced
lost agate
Luiafk
queen sail
How long have we been discussing this auto fisher by now
oak meteor
long time
lost agate
Idk i just came here
steel raptor
This was the message I was trying to say: "Fab doesn't want too many patreon items so he raised the amount to $50 "
ruby cobalt
literally luiafk
sand umbra
and hooray! now you have things
oak meteor
like stardew valley
sand umbra
at the cost of more bait
dawn jay
oak meteor
its not like bait is costly
gusty geode
Could have it so you only get good stuff if you give it really good bait
And maybe you could run the risk of it breaking in use
You come back to find it trashed and have to spend materials repairing it
sand umbra
well, consider with these things
fishing pole power would be completely and utterly irrelevant
sand umbra
...let me finish
oak meteor
it would take like a day toccatch something
sand umbra
i said let me fucking finish
oak meteor
you finshed
queen sail
sand umbra
anywho as I was saying
with these things, fishing pole power would be completely and utterly irrelevant for their purposes
the quality of the catches would be solely dependent on the power of the bait itself --- which on its own wouldn't get you very much in the way of good loot
there would be ways to upgrade the things themselves to start having inherent fishing power, allowing them to catch better loot
the earliest ones would have none
additionally, these things would NOT be able to catch some rare items such as the Rockfish or Reaver Shark, or other items balanced around requiring staying at that location with a fishing pole and 268976254 Master Bait to catch
congrats, basic idea for fish-and-forget item done correctly
teal ibex
not being able to catch rare items kills their purpose tho
at least imo
otherwise agree
sand umbra
at the very least, they'd have a significantly lower chance
teal ibex
well, if they're easy to mass produce for sure
sand umbra
compared to actually spending time with a fishing rod at the location
teal ibex
if they're more costly i think it's totally reasonable to have a similar pool
since they do still cost time
sand umbra
fair
teal ibex
especially if they're 1-time use, which is my headcanon
teal ibex
that was the core of my idea. literally a placeable shadow orb that you wait a while for
come back, hit it with a hammer, and bam
queen sail
headcanon
teal ibex
you got a laserfish
queen sail
I don’t think that word means what you think it means hectique
sand umbra
since then you actually have to put in the effort to keep making the stuff and getting more stuff
oak meteor
maybe fishing rod s can be used only quest fish while crab pots cant
teal ibex
i absolutely do know what the word means and am surprised this usage seems wrong to you
quick ice
Headcanon just means what's right/wrong to the person saying it
teal ibex
vaguely yes, in typical usage it's in relation to a story
however over time it's become more of a blanket interpretive statement
queen sail
Hence the “canon” part
quick ice
^
misconception ok Kirbys part, I usually hear it in the story sense
so it makes sense why he assumed your use of it was wrong
gusty geode
Imo they shouldn't necessarily be one-use
But they should have a chance to break after every use
You would have to pay some to repair the busted husk left behind (not as much as making an entirely new one tho)
And maybe to spice things up, a random enemy could be spawned when you try to pick it up; the thing that showed up and trashed the thing to begin with
teal ibex
that being said, my usage relays the theoretical placed fishing station as a character to be defined by different characteristics, i.e. being 1 time use
it is not the typical usage but it is nonetheless valid and applicable
i mean, i think one-use, durability, rng breaking, or permanent are all equally valid and would all balance loot differently
luckily, that's not our choice 
oak meteor
maybe you can make better crabpots that can catch more fish and more dura
teal ibex
either way tho i gotta scoot and hope the placeable fishing discussion remains warm and welcoming like the fish in the sea 🎣
sand umbra
oak meteor
yes
teal ibex
god that emote is perfect for this moly holy
sand umbra
ye 
oak meteor
:happyfish:
gusty geode
So
Would there be any loot you could only get by using this placeable thing?
gusty geode
I imagine some special loot would include stuff like
Fish that are too elusive to catch for whatever reason
Like maybe insects or ones with especially good cloaking (could be used as bait and crafted into a large haul of Cloaking Glands respectively)
quick ice
alright, I'm about to redo my Abyss Redistribution of content from a while ago
oak meteor
just use achelmist npc
gusty geode
||Hot take: speed runs, no-hits and other challenges only performed by people who have played the game for a long time should not have any influence on the balance||
oak meteor
but alch npc sells all potions
still cliff
I know
quick ice
Big Abyss Redistribution Suggestion (Modified from a long time ago)
- Devilfish and Chaotic Puffer in Layers 3: Both drop Chaotic ore, this is the layer with Chaotic Ore. Easy enough to understand.
- Luminous Corvinas in Layer 3: This is a cool enemy and it's a shame that it's only in one layer, and it makes layer 3 more of a threat.
- Colossal Squids and Mirage Jellies in Layer 4: Both have high enough stats to be suitable enemies in this layer (Colossal Squid is literally more powerful than the Reaper Shark, so they should be here anyways).
But Krant, now there are too many enemies in Layer 3: Ok, this is true. If the devs consider it an issue then move the Cuttlefish, Toxic Minnow or Viperfish (Any collection of these 3 would be fine) into layer 1-2 only so that Layer 3 isn't so packed.
thoughts and comments?
oak meteor
the crabpots are slowing down
hollow shell
@teal ibex Alternatively, Starter Bag
sand umbra
okay but like how the fuck does a merchant just happen to have a bug net
oak meteor
bug net and crabpots
sand umbra
wouldn't it make more sense to starter bag it or have it be craftable
hollow shell
The Merchant is supposed to just sell misc items
oak meteor
why does@he have one
cosmic musk
makes sense to just put it in the starter bag tbh
sand umbra
either way
Bug Net is literally necessary to start off fishing, and it can be annoying to gather up the stuff you need to get the Merchant to move in at times
cosmic musk
More importantly for challenge runs you just sit there WAITING
sand umbra
(50 silver isn't exactly pocket change at the start of the game, mind you)
cosmic musk
Case in point: Hectic is currently losing his mind just waiting for the merchant so he can continue lmao
oak meteor
plus you can easyily make a fishing rod the first 5 minutes of a world but you wont have bait
frail mantle
chaining suggestions is a nono
also wouldn't re-adding older sprites for bosses that've gotten resprites count as re-adding removed content
quick ice
sort of?
hollow shell
@viscid grotto Suggestions should be able to stand on their own, no referencing other separate ones
Just edit your original suggestion
oak meteor
i cant belive crabpots might get enough votes
hollow saffron
@viscid grotto Add a reason
And can you not chain suggestions
@oak meteor wha...?
hollow shell
Looks like he fixed the chain
quick ice
Hm, for anyone who hasn’t put a star on my suggestion is it because you don’t see a point in it or is it because there’s something wrong (if the latter option, please explain why)
oak meteor
well i dont understand it
theres already a good amount of enemy therep
crab pots and starterbag bug net almost at 90 votes
all thanks to hectique
giving us the best fishing content
quick ice
It’s not even halfway
oak meteor
closer than it was before
simple hamlet
Yeah, not seeing where you got that 90
oak meteor
japanses is hard
cosmic void
Well in any case, I like the idea a lot
oak meteor
thank you
zealous ridge
I don’t know how I feel about abyss enemy redistribution, my biggest issue is more or less with the design of these enemies rather than anything related to the suggestion
queen sail
Tbh mirage jellies aren’t even that dangerous
zealous ridge
design as in gameplay
queen sail
Though if you want that vital jelly then
zealous ridge
Right
karmic stone
||New Sulph Sea pet||
karmic stone
Smol
oak meteor
i saw
karmic stone
@warm tinsel
You usually tell someone competent with Wiki Contrib+
quick ice
I'll add that there right now
oak meteor
bruh wiki nerd
warm tinsel
Nice, why the ping tho xD
quick ice
so you know for next time
karmic stone
Whenever you breathe in suggs there's a 95% chance you'll get 🏓
quick ice
alright, I added ||Auric Tesla Bars|| to both the crafting materials* and Bars pages and I changed the Shadowspec bars recipe
terse sundial
thank you
oak meteor
@cosmic void whats the blue fish?
oak meteor
oh cool
cosmic void
Don't question how you are able to hook it
oak meteor
i am guessing the yellow one is like a fish made of sulphite
sand umbra
it can
if you actually use the yo-yo sets defined in vanilla that none of the Calamity yo-yos use
sand umbra
who knows, really
queen sail
The hell were they saying last time then
sand umbra
yo-yo range can be changed
yo-yo top speed can be changed (although above a certain point with vanilla yo-yo code it'll break)
yo-yo airtime can be changed
queen sail
Oh right
sand umbra
all three of these things are defined by sets that already exist in vanilla source
sand umbra
I'm still not sure when the Calamity yo-yos are getting fixed
I assure you, if I were able to, I'd fix them myself
sand umbra
I actually had a discussion with Ozz about this a little while back (mainly due to EE's vanilla yo-yo changes starting to directly affect Calamity yo-yos are a result of this)
I really should try and get back with him about that, but I don't wanna bother him
trust me, I'd love for this to be fixed as much as the next guy, but I don't make the rules
sand umbra
I don't wanna bother him though and we already had a discussion on this before 
void kelp
if memory serves correct, ozz has notifs off here except for specific pings
queen sail
He only comes here when he wants to tbh
sand umbra
probably not much then because this channel somehow tends to devolve into hellfire more often than not 
hahaues
anywho, tl;dr the resources are there and realistically it wouldn't take too long
it's just a question of who's going to do it and when
queen delta
@hearty yew Unsure of if it's already happening or just isn't a priority, but are the yoyos planned on being fixed?
queen sail
Secret?
hearty yew
this was the last thing that made it into 1.4.2.108
void kelp
go ben
hearty yew
their categorization is fixed, but we haven't fixed their stats or behavior yet
that was going to happen but we decided we didn't want to test it and delay the update
so we just made the category fix
karmic stone
So Oracle's range can easily be changed and stuff?
hearty yew
it's likely the stat and behavior fixes will happen in the next few days, or i'll do em over holiday break
yes
i will handle oracle personally
i made that mess i'll fix it
karmic stone
This is like, nice
hollow saffron
epic
hearty yew
@queen delta for future ref, you can just @ me in CD or testing or something. doesn't need to be here
mellow bay
nice
queen delta
I pinged here because it was mainly thomas that wanted to know
sand umbra
hearty yew
also yeah the recent suggestion saying "fix oracle"
yeah dw like i said, i'll fix it myself
fucking embed issues
w/e
queen sail
hearty yew
i hate my phone
i'm trying to just link the gif not embed it and get warned for memeing
quick ice
would it ever be possible for the Calamity mod to make Ore-Crawlers for other mods?
teal ibex
it's been suggested before for thorium. i think the main concern is that calamity haters would go ballistic over such a change so most peeps are weary about it
but don't quote me on that
civic pond
that still seems a little silly
fervent zealot
i think that's a subconcious concern anyone who makes calamity has when considering cross mod content
queen delta
who cares about calamity haters
fervent zealot
given the rather.. volatile attitudes of most calamity haters
void kelp
it’s not like the changes will affect them
quick ice
yeah, I was thinking Opal and Onyx crawlers since Calamity added the new fish which drops Opal and Onyx if the Thorium mod is enabled
civic pond
byeah
teal ibex
i mean, imposing on other mods' designs is an actual valid complaint
tepid root
calamity bad™️ or something
teal ibex
which is a rare thing for them, really
but nonetheless as simple as the idea is it's a little bit more murky to actually come to fruition
queen delta
if only we could get along instead of have a civil war whenever one tries to support the other
queen sail
Like I can accept the fact that Calamity can make both 
and decisions sometimes
quick ice
Thorium and Calamity are both great in their own right
fervent zealot
nobody's perfect
this includes vanilla, so praising it like the holy grail is dumb as fuck
queen sail
Like
One reason i from someone in thorium why they praise vanilla is because “it’s the game we all loved as a kid”
And well uhhhh
Yknow you can love a game and still realize it’s not that good, right
tepid root
who
quick ice
Vanilla is still fun despite its issues
fervent zealot
the worst part about thorium and to some extend other modded communities that enjoy bashing calamity is that their heads are crammed too far up their asses for them to even consider changing their minds
quick ice
anyhow, this conversation is better suited for #other-mod-talk or #general-talk
fervent zealot
it's literally like talking to a wall
queen sail
I consider DMC 4 a good game and agree that the enemy design is awful and annoying
Kirby Star Allies is one of the best Kirby games imo and I still agree that the game was extremely mediocre on launch
That’s how you truly love a game
Terraria has made questionable design choices, but is it still fun to fuck around in?
Yes
Hell some people I know say that they don’t get any enjoyment out of the game unless they do multiplayer
fervent zealot
we should probably shuffle over to gentalk now this is a convo i'd like to continue having
oak meteor
fishing crab bots ad bug net thing over half way nice
shell lynx
What if there was a little sound queue for when chaos state wore off?
Or has that been suggested?
hollow shell
I don't think that's been suggested
I guess it'd be useful if you use RoD or Normality a ton
but the debuff only lasts a few seconds
teal ibex
yeah conceptually i like the idea but i assume it'd get kinda annoying to hear all the time
radiant meadow
I support bug net memes
teal ibex
yES THANK YOU PLEASE.
radiant meadow
more fish
teal ibex
throwable bug net when. i hate accidentally killing stuff with summons
radiant meadow
modded bug net sounds super smelly though
teal ibex
you're probably right yeah 
oak meteor
bug net is good
radiant meadow
no more early game golden bunny tryin' to flex on me
teal ibex
1 cobweb 1 stick make net yes good
woeful wren
@mellow bay I was ab to say that too lmao
shell lynx
Ceaseless void bugnet that sucks all bugs into it
hollow shell
@twilit swan Ark of the Ancients requires Excalibur
(but that has its own upgrade line, ending with Ark of the Cosmos)
hollow shell
Right
twilit swan
Ye but it's easy to make and the Elemental Excalibur just seems like too far of a jump. I mean, it has higher base damage than the exoblade
hollow shell
Indeed.
However, it also has Greatsword of Blah in the recipe, which is obtained not long before Elemental Excalibur
There are quite a few weapons in Calamity which utilize long-past weapons
Exo-weapons being prime examples
Dev weapons too
Red Sun requires frickin Forsaken Saber and Mandible Blade
twilit swan
Aren't they also making an upgraded version of the terra blade in journey's end? Are you guys going to adjust the entire gameplay to the new content?
True that
hollow shell
There's going to be a new strongest sword but I don't know if it's confirmed a part of the Terra Blade line
twilit swan
They said that it will be
hollow shell
Aight
twilit swan
More powerful than the Meowmere
hollow shell
We'll find a way to work it in
twilit swan
Journey's end is also delayed to 2020 btw, which kinda sucks
radiant meadow
the new terra blade upgrade will probably become a part of exoblade
teal ibex
i mean when they were still being quiet in october it was already destined to be delayed
hollow shell
It'd be a bit annoying having to craft 2 Terra Blades for Exoblade
1 for Terratomere and 1 for the new sword
We'll see how it goes.
twilit swan
Why was gold even added? are you guys planning to just leave that alone? I mean, it seems cool, but it's only place in the mod is a minigame that's irrelevant to gameplay
hollow shell
*golf
teal ibex
terratomere could just have a replacement mat instead of terrablade and maybe be thematically adjusted
or not, it's not a huge deal if there's a third terra style sword i guess 
twilit swan
Just throwing this out there, why aren't there more terra-tier and elemental-tier weapons in calamity mod? ever thought of terra armor?
hollow shell
wdym "more"?
We already have one, two, or more weapons for each class in those tiers
teal ibex
there's kind of a lot already
it's arguably one of the most fleshed out tiers, pretty solid options all around
twilit swan
Like armors and more variety in weapons
teal ibex
again, there's already tons of weapon choices and they're all pretty solid
hollow shell
More armors yes maybe.
More weapons prolly aren't needed.
Calamity could use more armors.
twilit swan
true that
teal ibex
armors would be interesting but would be a little bloat-y at the terra tier since there's a lot of options around then what with chloro, spectre, shroomite, turtle, beetle, and ataxia
hollow shell
Perhaps yeah
teal ibex
and tiki i think
hollow shell
yep
teal ibex
it's hard to remember them all they're all just shoved in LOL
hollow shell
Ataxia and Beetle are technically a tier above, and Chloro and Turtle are a tier below
but they're still quite close
twilit swan
Armors would be great though
teal ibex
not wrong, but i think there's a reasonable amount of people that don't bother with terra stuff until after golem
or at least used to, i think he's pretty spicy and warranting it now
twilit swan
Beetle armor is kinda weak, i honestly stick with turtle armor. That's why i personally think that terra armor would be great
hollow shell
I always get Terra pre-Plant
Or, did, when you still could
Now I get it as soon as it's available
cuz otherwise it ain't as stronge
twilit swan
Is there an upgrade to the elemental shiv?
teal ibex
there isn't, no
hollow shell
not yet
teal ibex
ngl as cute as it would be to have DoG, Yharon, and SCal shivs
it would basically be bloat content
unless they just weren't shivs and launched projectiles everywhere like crazy
hollow shell
DoG shiv would be fitting as just a mini DoG head
Running around biting at people
teal ibex
LOL ok i'm sold
sand umbra
.
teal ibex
Devourer of Demigods
baby sword nibbles the world
twilit swan
That would be amazing - like a tiny apotheosis head or something?
sand umbra
I am legally obligated to make this happen now
teal ibex
i am overusing this reaction meme and i don't even care
sand umbra
literally the best weapon
twilit swan
Just throwing this out there: you guys should make several upgrades to the destroyer emblem with flat-out boosts to damage stats and maybe even others as well, with no other bonuses except straight-forward stat increases
twilit swan
It would just increase damage, more than the other accessories
An alternate accessory for those who want outright damage boost without the effects of crit on themselves (like the Shark Tooth Necklace)
hollow shell
Reaper Tooth Necklace's and Dimensional Soul Artifact's big damage increases are interesting, in that they also put you at risk
All the final class accessories (Elemental Gauntlet, Ethereal Talisman) do grant pretty considerable damage boosts too
twilit swan
This would be a lesser increase, but without the risk - a happy medium of sorts...
hollow shell
yknow what
It actually could be interesting
to have an accessory which is like +18% or +20% increased damage with no other effects, and it's a crafting dead-end
So you'd have to decide whether you can sacrifice your other accessories with a bunch of other effects for the raw damage
teal ibex
it would be a nice low-effort/speedrun style acc
but i don't see why people would take the middle ground when most would rather spec into heavy damage or defensive consistency
sand umbra
late-game Destroyer Emblem upgrade
higher damage and crit chance but it is used for absolutely nothing
and has no other effects to compare it with the billions of other things that do have 1598135 other effects
honestly all these late-game accessories with 5 billion effects get to me for some reason
it'd be nice to have some that are just. very specific in their purpose
and don't try to be a one-size-fits-all for whatever their general field is
teal ibex
i feel like that's the crisis of expanding content as far as calamity does
you either get boring and make numbers just get bigger or you start to make things get bigger and whackier conceptually
void kelp
increased specificity seems like a cool way to encourage diversity in builds
ashen warren
Maybe a way to dye or change the colour of weapons
hollow shell
(My personal suggestion doc is full of changes to make those unfocused hundred-effect accessories have more focused, intelligent, and interesting effects)
sand umbra
I also have some ideas for some of these unfocused accs
teal ibex
i think the ideal state of calamity would be to have those but also have particular setups for build-seekers
sand umbra
not finalized by any means, but they're there
hollow shell
The Item Customizer mod allows you to do that, Walcc
teal ibex
like a 25% crit acc for peeps who want wicked crits
assuming that doesn't already stack into one of the existing accs LOL
void kelp
imagine if double crits existed
fervent zealot
an accessory that's just a flat 25% crit rate that doesn't build into anything would be epic ngl
sand umbra
crit-focused acc
doesn't give any effects elsewhere, but significantly boosts crit effectiveness
(useful for weapons with low base damage but extreme fire rate)
void kelp
id personally also love to see more defensive accs bc even though the lads cannon build is recommended, sometimes facetanking is fun
sand umbra
the few useful defensive accs late-game are very
unfocused
they try to just do everything at once and end up being less than desirable because of it
teal ibex
lads cannon 👀
sand umbra
and it's usually because many of the boosts simply can't apply for practical purposes at the point they're obtained
/stares Amalgam down the barrel
teal ibex
well, another reason why is rather contentious
heady comet
no fun allowed in calamity
teal ibex
which is calamity's soft and hardcaps
ashen warren
It'd be cool to see more npcs in the game, maybe a dryad queen for defeating Plantera?
teal ibex
speccing directly into one build gets hit a bit hard by them in a lot of cases
hollow shell
More NPCs are comin in the future
ashen warren
nice
hollow shell
Yharim, (probably) Calamitas
quick ice
isn't Draedon coming too?
oak meteor
aint yharim the bad guy
ashen warren
I like building stylised houses for each of them so that'll be cool
sand umbra
DR is a mechanic utilized extensively by Calamity
except it's a meme for the player without putting everything into it and there simply aren't enough accs to let you do so
oak meteor
i wish i could make houses
hollow shell
Yharim is indeed the bad guy
sand umbra
mainly because, again, a lot of accessories try to do everything
and they suffer because of it
oak meteor
then why wiuld he be a npc
oak meteor
bruh
hollow shell
I may even be underestimating
void kelp
ngl if DR were a viable build tue melee could probably make it to the end of the game instead of dying horribly to post-darksun yharon
sand umbra
I'd enjoy the various late-game accessories being retooled and given more specific functions
oak meteor
is there gonna besomethibg bigger and more powerful than him so he becomes friends or somethjng
ashen warren
just realised Rover is a dev
proven tide
erm
oak meteor
i understand dark elve which as she is out of his control and owns her gratidude to you
hollow shell
Every boss buffed after ML
Jesus
proven tide
@shell trellis what would this add?
proven tide
also, buffing deus, a more janky and irritating boss, immediately after ml
zenith hazel
don’t you hate it when KS is as threatening as a reaper shark
proven tide
brittle merlin
did someone say master mode
proven tide
ashen warren
It'd be cool to have a weapon for each class that you can get really early on that can be upgraded like 15 times over the playthrough.
then they could all combine at the end
into a SUPER WEAPON
void kelp
iirc shadows of abaddon has a similar concept with their relics
hollow shell
Night's Edge all the way to the Exoblade fills that role.
ashen warren
fair enough
void kelp
and also expo weapons yes
sand umbra
I like how a fair few exo-weapons only use certain items because they're for the same (sub)class
oak meteor
bruh the crab pots and bug net in starter might get 90 votes
zenith hazel
and?
oak meteor
cool
brittle merlin
lmoa expo weapons @void kelp
void kelp
I’m not paying attention to autocorrect ;A;
quick ice
I don't see why it matters
if they do they do, but I doubt the Crab Pots will be implemented (At least for a while
brittle merlin
now i'm just imagining marker weapons
hollow idol
That sug about post ml buffs, that was a thing once actually. It got removed and replaced with Prepare to die and cry and then death and rev
hollow idol
planned to have their own trophies and all
actually i just read too much on the forum post
oak meteor
bruh
void kelp
YuH knows the whole history of this mod
oak meteor
you talking to me?
zenith hazel
@shell trellis
zenith hazel
nvm, it’s the good ol’ “disappear after making a suggestion”
oak meteor
and he was never heard from again
hollow shell
It happens frustratingly often...
oak meteor
rovers profile pic looks super familiar
hollow shell
It shouldn't, I made it myself :P
sand umbra
I've always wondered, actually
hollow shell
Space background is relatively common tho
hollow shell
ink lad with orange cyclops fanged mask
zenith hazel
this is very related to suggs, yes
hollow shell
mmm
sand umbra
everything is related to suggs if you stretch it far enough
anywho back to
wait what are we discussing again
hollow shell
Aureus bailed
queen delta
And nothing can be related to suggestions if i stretch it far enough
hollow shell
Not the first time he did, too
sand umbra
are we talking about why giga-blanket-effect accessories are bruh or why buffing everything post-ML is a bad idea, I don't remember
hollow shell
I got my foot in the door by having Fab look at some of my enemy AI change suggestions
Now I just gotta work my way up to the accessory focus suggestions
queen delta
Uh not here
proven tide
the enemy designs are significantly less balance-related than items
so while it does flesh out the content past ai reusing it's also a lot easier to address than reworking the Meta™
hollow shell
Yeah a lot of enemies don't have as much thought put into them as items get
because
it's not really needed as much
but hopefully that'll change in the near future
oak meteor
how many pets are in the game?
hollow shell
queen sail
Why is it Juvenile Eidolon Wyrm and not, like
Adolescent Eidolon Wyrm
So we don’t abbreviate it to JEW
hollow shell
Juvenile is the correct term for a non-matured organism
That is an unfortunate abbreviation tho
zenith hazel
not the channel for it regardless
ashen warren
fine
austere lion
Did SCal get a damage buff?
frail mantle
not since the hit counter was killed i think
tired haven
Ye
She hits like a truck since that change but doesn't seem any stronger apart from that
radiant pawn
@mellow bay this was already stated (probably because im too lazy to check) but to put it simply
just use yoyo bag
tired haven
Maxed melee speed can let yoyos reach the brothers in that position, though not in corner ones
clear basin
seeing people actually enjoying fishing is strange, i may need to try fishing for myself
tired haven
Guess it's various loot that keeps peeps interested + new rods catch eye a lot
glacial lagoon
Devourer of Cods intensifies
oak meteor
If scal dropped rod it should be could scod
6 more votes and crab pots may get added
killing scal with fish when
zenith hazel
@neon flame cultist is reworked in calamity, but on rev+
tired haven
@neon flame Did you actually try cultist in latest updates?
proven tide
oooof the fabled triple ping
proven tide
it's best to properly experiment with a feature before suggesting alterations
neon flame
Sorry
proven tide
so that you can best make your points
hollow saffron
@twilit swan specific item suggestion
also @twilit swan @shell trellis add a reason to your suggestion
zenith hazel
that's already been addressed above, no need to repeat
void kelp
Why hasn’t it been deleted???
oak meteor
@granite yacht just wait till day
granite yacht
i guess you can, it's pretty boring though
especially when rain starts in the middle of a day, it also makes the background much darker
opal barn
You can craft a potion of omniscience to see the boss and projectiles too
granite yacht
do hunter potions highlight them?
ruby cobalt
no
opal barn
Hunter only highlights enemies, omniscience does everything
granite yacht
according to the wiki it requires an alchemy table which is post-skeletron unless there's a crafting recipe for it i'm not aware of
opal barn
oh fuck right it does
radiant meadow
it'll help for AS at least 
granite yacht
but i think giving hunter potions the ability to highlight them wouldn't be a bad idea
radiant meadow
but ye, sand not being visible is kinda annoying
tired haven
The problem is, sand blasts would have to become enemies to be highlighted with hunter
radiant meadow
I think he means making hunter potion highlight hostile projectiles
tired haven
Mmm doubt
radiant meadow
but that effect was intentionally only given to pot of omniscience
so it's more of an upgrade
twilit swan
@hollow saffron Dude it is literally called a suggestions discussion. I can make one or two suggestions. Even if the developers already have a plan for future updates, they might be willing to squeeze one or two small ideas into the next update
void kelp
well, there’s also rules
tired haven
Let me guess, specific/non-specific argue?
radiant meadow
it's not really super specific
but I also don't see the need for an excalibur upgrade just for elemental excalibur
tired haven
we need elemental night's edge if anything 
twilit swan
It doesn't really matter. We should work together to make better suggestions for the next update and then the developers can decide whether or not it's worth adding. It's called a suggestions discussion for a reason
void kelp
I don’t think there’s a need for an Excalibur upgrade at all because so many other swords fit the niche
loud steeple
We need a elemental dirt block
twilit swan
You want crappy ideas put into a mod, then check out the extra material added to Alchemist NPC. I mean, WTF is Ugandan Knuckles for? Why?
radiant meadow
okay, there's no reason to start downplaying other mods
hollow shell
Pancake's suggestion is fine in terms of specificify
but I want him to correct his last sentence cuz Excalibur is used in AotA's recipe (and is in Terratomere/Exoblade's tree)
void kelp
aaah
radiant meadow
the last sentence is talking about influx waver though
hollow shell
oh pff
radiant meadow
although maybe they're suggesting to swap excalibur for influx waver?
ashen warren
I think they're saying that a stepping stone for elexcalibur should be an influx upgrade in a sense
so it goes: influx > suggested item > elemental excal
mellow bay
Im thinking about a fusion between the amalgam and the core of the blood god (and maybe the sponge)
Acessory slot reason
hollow shell
Way too many effects
ashen warren
30 line tooltip momentous
hollow shell
The Sponge is already pushing it on its own
tepid root
fargo's souls moment
radiant meadow
sounds like a balancing nightmare
hollow shell
Even if just the two
Accessory slot reason isn't reason enough on its own
because that's just a balancing factor that you're stating
mellow bay
?
fervent citrus
I think a new miniboss in the underworld would be nice, like some sort of servant for some other dragon-like boss...
hollow shell
They are separate accessories because they're different and have enough effects on their own.
fervent citrus
That would be cool
zenith hazel
that’s omega fear
hollow shell
Dunno where theyd fit into the current fight
fervent citrus
Omega laudanum xD
ashen warren
all they'd be is cheap hits or ineffectual
zenith hazel
life seekers were already annoying as hell in the clone fight
fervent citrus
Which is why they should be annoying as supreme hell in the supreme fight :p
Just kidding, that would be terrible
mellow bay
They don't need to behave the same
fervent citrus
True
mellow bay
Maybe spawned by the sepulcher (or by breaking a heart)
brittle merlin
does this count as a specific item suggestion?
cobalt rose
idk but i don't think this is a valid suggestion anyways
radiant meadow
what's the point if yharon soul fragments exist
hollow shell
That's a pretty substanceless suggestion
Why not just ask that more Yharon Soul Fragment items be added
clear basin
Add material
Why: idk
radiant meadow
are they not connected enough already?
thin shale
Honestly, I feel like the Supreme Life Seekers should be spawned when the Brothers phase are active
mellow bay
thin shale
It’s just that the Brothers phase is the easiest
Some parts of the phase didn’t really require movement to begin with
radiant meadow
also life seekers post 8% sounds kinda scary
zealous ridge
the best i could see them being (regarding to the claws) is another post-YP1 material to supplement darksun frags but eh darksun already exist so like 
brittle merlin
uh world gen is a pain to work with iirc
mellow bay
You can kill a brother and let the other one on low hp to get life or adrenaline
radiant meadow
modifying vanilla world gen is
terse sundial
^